 Good evening, I'd like to take and call the Monday, July 16th regular select board meeting to order to my far left is meet Kelly, Wayne Lamerton to my right is Angelina Capron. And I'm Brad Town, the with us is Diane Isabel, our treasurer and Dana Hadley, our town administrator. And additions or changes to the agenda? I have none. Anyone else? No. Public comment? Hearing none, we'll move on. Treasurer's report. I've given the select board the June trial found with budget status report and delinquent tax report. Last week of the 10th, I printed the tax bills and mailed them out on the 11th and 12th. It took me the whole week to get the tax bill out. OK. Thank you very much. Approval, license, permits, vouchers, and applications? One of us has been to the check, so far we're better. Yeah. OK. Annual financial talent plan for highways? This is a piece of paperwork that we do every year for VTRANS. This year, I waited because of the grants that we received from VTRANS. But this needs to be approved by the board. It outlines our estimated cost of what we're going to spend for winter maintenance and for general maintenance, and what we're going to allocate a class 2 road and a class 3 road. It also outlines the projects we have planned for this construction season, the paving of Fisher Road, Painter and Pike North, Granger Road, and replacement of the culvert on Mirror Lake Road. So I just need you to accept it and sign it so I can submit it to the state. Did we have some money in the refrigerators? Or, finally, remember what we were talking about? Did we use that? No, we have some. You do. So, right. I'm not sure if we're going to need to hit that for the Mirror Lake. Ridgeson Road, probably, we're going to have to go into. And right now, I can't tell you how much it is. OK, so I just wondered why it wasn't in there. I mean, that's all right. I'm just checking it. I remember the conversation. Right. Do you accept this? Are we through it all? There's more discussion to come. We should have a motion in the set, just that first part. So I know we accept the annual financial plan for the town of Pine Ways as presented second. Any further discussion? Yes. Did we order the box code? No. We did? No, not yet. Are we expecting the engineering to be complete? I have been trying to talk to John Grenier. John's been on vacation, so I did call him. He's gone a couple of weeks after the last meeting, and I don't have an answer. But I will by next time. I did speak with John briefly about ordering the culvert, and he thought it was premature to do that right now. This was a few weeks ago, though. So we're basically not going to get it done this fall? I am hopeful that, of course, we're going to get it done. I think that John, the engineer, should call a couple of the precast people to see what the lead time is for a box order. He had mentioned that he thought that was a good idea as well. So he may have done that, I don't know. I heard 12 weeks ago. Is that the way you've done it? On the box code? That would be a problem. But I know what you're saying. August, September. The box code is going to be fast, though. Right, but if you don't get it till December. Because I've had a couple of them. The state won't let you dig after October. Right. Playing the water. I've had a couple of people ask me if it. The issue is that the permit, the fix, has not been approved by the state. I see. And so that's one. Well, that was suggested as the town order of the box code. And then whoever wins the bid can buy it. But at least that is ready when it's ready to be done. Rather than keep awarding the bid in September and then having to find out it's going to be approved. So you're saying order it now and have it. And if we don't use it, we could sell it somewhere. No, we will use it. We're just going to have to pay for it to pre-order this far ahead. Then sell it to the contractor. I see. But in most cases, the pre-cast company won't even make you pay for it. You just guarantee, the town's guarantee and they're going to buy a box over. And then when whoever wins the bid, they can buy it. But they're not going to make one on it. Hypothetically. Speculation. Right. But the concern is the later you get in the year, the further back. How big is it? The height, right now? No. The year-wide drawl. But that is it that would be $42,000. The engineer needs it. I mean, I'd have to go to the engineer. So Tim, if push came to shove, could you push those mounds of gravel around it, throw some steel over to drive over it for the winter? Or is it that shot? When I walk across, the problem we are going to have is if we do that, it's just going to keep, which it's done already. Push and then go over. No, it's just going to keep rolling back and then eventually your steel's going to drop down in there. OK. So what happens is it's not so much the flow going through the air, but when the wind blows, it comes back through there, through that culvert, through the wave action. Yeah. And that's what caused all the problems. Because we had to wind the air when it collapsed and then just everything went down. Is that a school bus route? Yes. Yeah, but I mean, last I knew they were picking the kids up on Black Road. The bus does go down in parks right there, right at the corner of Merrill Lake. I've seen them go down there, but can't go past. On the east side, on the field side? Yeah, the flat. No, then that's their turnaround. That's as far as they go. Because I said last time, I've been walking around there every morning and counting all the traffic for me today, about the cars, you know, to even. The last kids they pick up, I think, are Lagerstitz kids right there on Belknap and a lot at that intersection. They don't go out any further than that now. But somebody told me that there's only one child out there right now and they're bringing them to Black Road and jamming the kids. Yeah, I'm talking on the east side. I just, sorry I got off track. I was just talking several times about this culvert wonder if we've done anything yet. So if we could find out from John. OK, and I probably didn't understand of buying it and then selling it to the con. I don't think we'll have to buy it. I think we would call and get three prices of pre-guest concrete culverts, box culverts, find out who's got the best price, order one, and give the town would give a PL to the pre-guest company, which they would transfer to the contractor one. But then you've got one. Yeah, well, I think that's the difference between getting it done this year and not getting it. Sure, it's the middle of July. Right, right. So I guess the only one that really can be. And it's a little frustrating because it's all contingent upon a lot of factors. Right. Well, like you say, I mean, if the state hasn't approved the plan, we don't have the permit. The state won't give you a waiver to work after October 1st. We've got them before until November 30, but that's the way this is. But especially if the state held it up. I mean, if the state were ready, we would be more ready ourselves. We're ready? I mean, I don't know where John is, and I really should, but we're ready to go forward financially and all other questions. Now, Richardson will be going with a liner, right? Still? John hasn't given me the engineering report on that. That was the idea that it would make sense to go with a liner. Sorry to get off track. So any other discussion on this? Any none? Those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Winner's saying bid openly. If I could just agree, there is a part two for this one, which the board also needs to sign the town plan, which is in addition to the financial plan, that we're guaranteeing we're spending at least $300 per mile, each mile of class one, two. We don't have, I mean, two and three of the highways. We don't have a class one. And we are. So in fact, I don't want to tell you how much it's spending per mile. So where does that come from? The tax payer money? No, no, that we're guaranteeing that we're spending $300. It's a procedure that PTRANCE just has us do. I have one more piece before you go. This is housekeeping order. Certification of compliance for town road and bridge standards. In 2014, the town adopted the town road and bridge standards and network inventory. And we are still complying with that. So it just needs to be confirmed. Can I steal your phone? Or is that a nice little somebody's phone? There are a couple of pens on the desk that we're going to use. You're welcome to use it. OK, winter sand bin opening? We received two bids for winter sand. One had a return address, so I knew who it was from, and the other did not. This is score, and here are the bids. I think that I'm going to recuse myself, not knowing who the second bidder is. You learn, you don't worry. That's a good teacher, right? I'm here to help you with that. She's also doing it as confidence. Tabor earth extractors. So the bid is from the Tabor earth extractors. They are proposing $10.25 for cubic yard. They've got all these things in there. And so the bid was calling for how much per 5,000 cubic yards. So $10.25 per cubic yard. Now, this is just saying it's a new truck on the line. So from Hebert excavation in Williamstown, Vermont, their bid is $8.50 per cubic yard for winter sand. It said they wouldn't be ready to meet the order till August 15th to have the material ready for hauling. $8.50. I was looking at it, $10.25 for wipe, but now I see 5,000 cubic yards. OK, all right, got it. The only problem I have is we got our sand from Larry last year, and it wasn't good sand. Well, I should have finished. Also, enclosed is a recent test of our material by Williamstown. I don't care what he's got. So what was rotten sand mean as to rocky? No, it's too much dirt in it. We had a hard time getting it to go through our sanders. The first year we got it from them was good. But last year, we had a fight with it all, wearing long. The guys had to keep getting out and kicking their shoes to get it to drop down on the spinners. There wasn't as much rock in it if you sanded. And we got just a little bit of flurry activity. It just glazed right over. So it was icy. So we had to sand again. Does he know that? I haven't talked to him. No, I'm not having a good idea. He enclosed a testing form. Because we did specify some criteria that we were looking for. That's my only complaint. I mean, I talked with Larry earlier this year, but they hadn't started doing anything out there. It's not his pet. He gets his sand from Ed Furnham. And it's not a pet. They just dig a big hole and extract the sand. And then when you're done, they fill it in. OK, can you table this? And have you find out anything about that? Or is it worth it? Well, I mean, we got to buy it from somewheres. But I mean, that's two arms of difference. It's a $10,000. Yeah, it's a fair amount. Just under $10,000. I don't know. It's probably going to cost more to get truckers from roses or tapers, because they're a little further away. They're in north here? I mean, cheapest isn't always cheapest, but $10,000. Plus the additional mileage for truckers, right? I don't know that for sure. I mean, it's definitely further than that. I mean, I think that probably the only thing that we could do is to speak with Mr. Heaver about the quality. Because I think he should know if no one complains. Well, last year, I think that we were, it was us. And Brookfield came in and got some, bought some from him. And Norfield bought it. But they bought it in October. Because they didn't put it out the bed. And they just gave it to somebody. And the taxpayers over there said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And over $5,000 is going to go out the bed, the same policy that we have here. So they ended up had to put it out the bed. So it was the end of October when they got it. So does that make a difference? No, I just, I mean, they didn't have much choice. They had to get the sand because it was getting close to winter. Right, that's it. So when are the pits closed? When are the pits closed? Larry, Paul would say in Norfield in January. So I mean. So are we up against a deadline if we take another two weeks? Oh, it's definitely so, but I mean. I mean, all I can think of what we would do is just tell him that it's private. I'm going to have a wrong look at it. I know, I know Plainfield went and looked at it. Because they're having a hard time financing him. And he called me because Larry used me as a reference. And he didn't like it. He said he could pick it up and make it smaller. Stick it together? Yep. That's what we would be buying. Well, I don't know. I haven't been down there, but he was down there because he called when I was on vacation and then he called me when I got back. When they take these holes and extract the sand, do they dig the holes next to each other or are they digging? Oh, they're digging. Or they do an excavator. And they dig down with a net. They strip the top off, take the top soil off, and then he just digs down with an excavator and screens it. And then Williamstown has their pit just over the knoll there from them. And they have all kinds of fill, so they've got to get rid of it out of their pit. So they're hauling it over there and dumping it in the hole so they can fill it back in. Because that way you don't have to deal with them, Shaw, because it's not a pit. That was a great recognition. So you want to wait? Motion to table to next meeting. Motion to table? I had gone around and looked at some. LePage has just got good sand, but he got a big cheat. And when I talked to him down here, I went to East Lawnpere because they bought sand from him last year and it is good sand. He said he doesn't like the bit, but they got a bit sheet and I talked with his son last week and he said, I think we're done a bit, but they didn't. You must have done it. And they were at 850, because he told me what he gets. He said, I don't bet it's 850 if you like it at all. Oh, well. That's a bit. So even if you call it, so it's too late now to get sand from this thing? No, I mean, no, it's not too late. It's just we got to do it. Well, it is sort of too late because it has to be better. That's my point. I don't know, I'm spending a little while to find out if you can get us something better last year. I think it's worth a little bit of time. It's probably partially my fault because I didn't say anything to them after last year, but I went over and looked at it and they had just stripped. So they didn't have any sand screen when I was over there. But nothing's gonna change between now and two weeks. Is it just two weeks later or long? Well, he can't do anything until August anyways, so. Yeah, I was emotionally tabled until the next meeting. Oh, he's recusing himself. So we need a second. Oh, okay, I second. Should be any other discussion? All in favor of tabling until the next step, we're meeting? I mean, I didn't go over and talk to him. I mean, he can't change what he can't change. Oh, I don't know. The first year we got it from him, it was awesome. You gotta come from there, then? Yeah. Same place. Well, it was in the little first, it was in a different section of the field, but they can't dig any more there because they're too close to somebody's brain. Well, in case they were significant, it was the other bitter I've accused myself of. Now that they're not, I guess I can be involved. Good. Let's go. You and maybe the haulers. Which we do need to speak about that, so. Now would be a good time. If this is a good time, let's talk about this. So Wayne probably will have to recuse himself. Our vendor last year was Jeff Newton for hauling. He has offered to extend the contract for the same cost we paid last year. And we have the ability to do that if you so desire. Well, if we do that, we're taking a risk that somebody may not, may bid lower. That's true. And if he's going to take and extend it, if he wants to extend it. Can you do that? Well, can I say something? Sure thing. We did the same thing with the gravel. We said that if the outfit that's furnishing the gravel would stay the same, that we would continue buying it. Northeast hell there twice the same, and so did Jeff. I'm not, I can tell you right now, you're not going to get anybody to haul it, cheaper than Jeff Newton. Because we've gone through this and everybody else has always been way higher. There's, the trucker in part of this is getting a slim to none. Tim Stone's only got two trucks now and there's Gratton's down to one truck. He had three at one time. Adam Stone's the only other one that he'd bid no later. So we can just roll it over? Apparently so. Yeah. Okay. You just, I mean we can put it out if you'd like me to do that. Well. The only other thing I got to say is, it's our time too. It's not as much as it is getting somebody to haul it here. You got eight, 10 trucks hauling in this do-yard. The short hauling. And it's tractor trailers or five of them. It's less time that I've got to have somebody over here putting it up. A lot less time. I mean, we did 5,000 yards of sand and no time of flat last year. So in the bed, could you put a truck on it out? Don't really have to. I mean, because if they're not gonna haul, they always let me know they have no trucks to make them. So I don't have somebody to sit with here. I used to haul her sand when we bought from them. I mean, all they had was two trucks in it. It took all the summer to put it up. And it takes a long time to get a couple of trucks. You got to call this decision until you get sick to get a, actually we should because we need to know how far it's going to be to haul sand. Right, we don't know for sure where we're getting it from there. Gravel is sitting there waiting to get hauled. And I could use it. Oh. That's what we're mainly talking about with Jeff. Just gravel, but all the way down there. Did I move to continue the agreement with the Newton trucking? Okay, I second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Sorry. In favor? Yes. Aye. Sorry. Motion carries. So when it comes to the sand, we'll have to take the trucking again. So what if you go look at the sand and it's awful stuff? What are we going to do? I'll go tomorrow. And if it's, I mean it's, to me it's costly for us because we had, we went through a lot of sand last winter. Well, it's done. Because we had this, yeah, it's time involved. Sure. So we're going to go back and see. Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if we'd have to re-bid it if somebody will outright sell it for the same price as a low bid. That'd be a little raw about that one. I just think that it, because they didn't bid. In a short distance, too. Right. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying we shouldn't buy it. I'm just saying because they didn't bid by the deadline. I think we have to refuse the bids to entertain another price. But we should check. Yeah, I just have to feel for this for the more often. Okay. So I'll do that. That'll be a real point if Tim, because that's a good saying. Yeah, I mean, I've been busy and I've been gone. So I didn't get a chance to get out. But I know what Mike told me completely. So we are talking about the other vendor you were talking about that gave you a price that did not bid. The pay-in. Yeah, that's a short haul. That's your stuff about what? Yeah. Okay. Got it. Because you're going to save money in trucking. I think it was $4 and something in the yard to truck it last year. Can you? Is that something that you need? Yeah. I've got it. I'm pretty sure it was for something from the yards. Because they're just the other side of planks, pit on Route 14, we're down to names now. Okay, on hose machine? That would be Tim as well. Find your own hose machine. We got more times that we can't get a hose. And twice take out this out at Berrytown at nine or 10 o'clock at night. Keep us on the road, fly one last winter. And it's just to run down here and get a hose made when we get doing ourselves. I think it would pay for itself. So you just would keep inventory? Well, I mean, like, when I was at Marshfield, we bought our own hose machine because we were way out in East Badonk. And we just kept 100 feet of each size hose that we needed. What size hose did you run those trucks on? Three-quarter, half, and three-eighths. And what are the fittings you're going to need for it? Well, that's the thing. They wanted to sell me a whole array of fittings and I said, no, I don't want that. I mean, if I had five or six, I mean, four or six fittings of each size. It was great. 90 and 80. Yeah, and 45 and, of course, cats all GC. And then... Oh, JIC? JIC, I mean. And John Deere is flat o-ring. Flat face, you know? Yeah, flat face o-ring. So, I mean... A hand-folding. Yeah, in three different sizes. You know, just like the loader broke down last winter, blew a hose. We couldn't load no more trucks. So we couldn't do nothing. You sure those, the inch, inch, three-quarter, half. No, three-quarter, three-quarter, five-eighths and a half. There's a few three-eighths on the loader, but very, very, very minimal. That's all I mean. Nothing's much that, but how many inch hoses do you have? The ones that run there from the pump to the tower. And then another one to the sander controls. That's inch. And then most of your main lines for the dumb body and all that stuff, the sweep order, and then your sander stuff is all half an inch. So, what's the price of this machine? $2,300. And got another guy that approached me at the truck show at Barry Auditorium, and he sells hose machines. It's called Midwest, and it's totally different. So, I'm not gonna be able to buy fittings around here. So, I mean, I'm gonna have to order everything and make sure I got plenty, and... So, which one were you going with? Gates. Yeah, Gates is the most common. And that's the $2,300. Normally, you get three quotes for amounts under $5,000. In this case, he wants 25, or this guy's 23, and then you had 2,500. And we weren't sure how convenient getting... His cell phone is Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and so on. Whereas here, you could go down to Sinal and get donated. I think that's a lot of things. Yeah, one fitting. Who was the vendor for the fittings? Sinal. Oh, me, Sinal. That makes sense to me. Yeah. That one owes you me that Saturday night would be roughly $2,300 by Monday. Okay. I'll move that we approve the purchase of the hose machine. Second. And I've, when I work for your course, I've made hoses, and we had, we didn't have a Gates, but they were all pretty basic, but in our school, we had a Gates hose machine. Thank you. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Prove of select board minutes for 5, 21, 2018. We have the form planned. Yes. Jeremy, we're filling one pass for that meeting. You ready? Move to approve the minutes as predicted for the select board meeting of May 21st. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Prove of the select board minutes for 6, 4, 2018. We have the form for that. We do. Yeah. That was not only Jeremy, but Jeremy was not present. I move we get a pass, except the select board minutes for June 4th, 2018, as presented, seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. You cannot do the next one. Oh, Jeremy's not here. You need your own three of us. Can you be here for that? Do it. Were there four? No, it was just you and I and then Jeremy on the phone. Yeah. So I'll have to hold over. I'll bring that one back to you. Time administrator report, maybe. I have a few things. Late this afternoon, I did get an email from Michael Miller. Michael is the director of planning, community development for the city of Montpelier. And Montpelier is, and I'm just, since I got this at 410, I haven't really digested it, but they have applied for a grant to do a rail study between Montpelier and Berry for transportation. For people. For people. And. So they are, I will go ahead and forward this to you tomorrow so you can read it. And they're asking for a letter of support for the grant. So I guess I will bring it back to you next time, but this came in this afternoon and I'll forward that to you. We did get a letter from the town of Berry because in July, we have a new ambulance rate, which is as per the contract. So that's nothing, no surprises there. They are reminding us that this is our last contract year. We do have an option to renew the endless contract for two years and they've given us the prices that they would do that. This is a letter that comes every July. I was asked by Berry Town Thunder chickens. They are working on rejuvenating or doing some new trails, snowmobile trails. He is going to give me some more information, but what I have so far, it's basically two areas, one going from Applebee's getting over to the Irish Hill trails and one starting in the lot between Shaw's and Comstock Road getting to the same location. They both involve using town roads, which we eliminated the snowmobile ordinance two years ago, year and a half ago. So it is illegal to ride a snowmobile on a town highway unless it's a 90 degree crossing. So when I have more information, I'll bring that back to you, but that would require if the board wanted to support that. Who would they be riding on town roads? They want to use Black Road, which is a class four road you may have heard of it. They also want to use Brookfield Road to get out to the Irish Hill. Yeah, but how are they going to get from Applebee's to there? They're going to have to run across that road. Well, that is the other issue. Part of it would involve this property going across this property. So what they want to do is they want to come right over by your shed from Applebee's, come through this park a lot, probably go over by Mike Doniex. Yeah, but how are they going to get there though? I don't know. They've got wheels on those things. They're not going to get down through that depth. No, not at all. Well, if I could begin to man them, it looks like they want to use cross town. I don't know about it. One of the guys talked to me and he said something about coming out through and then going out here on cross town, up as far as Paintern Plank South, going up over the back of Tinker Lawrence's Sunnest House, out through to Black Road and then out Brookfield Road. Because Norfield's involved in it too because they're trying to get so that people can get over here. They're trying to get over to Northfield. Northfield road all the way over to Fox? No, no, right over then. Oh, of course, I'll log in. They'll go up over. I was killed and come down by Ellie's Farm Market. But that's the city of Malperius land and I know that they've been talking with. Well, going across people's land, I mean, they would have to get the permission. I suppose they've got permission from Tinker's Sunnest and then they're gonna go on to Josh Walker's and he's one of them that's trying to get this done. Well, he's working on it, yeah. I would ask them to come in and explain where they were going. But it is quite a bit of travel on town roads. By visual aids. Visual aids are always good. Well, I mean, cross town's not a great road for us. They're gonna be in the world until they get up past. The other thing is a lot of these roads are paved. I don't see them. I don't know, what are the machines? And I'm concerned about coming through our driveway. Yeah, and I'm getting pretty rosy on that one. So, quick, back on the trains, do we have any liability for that that runs through the train grant? The train, that's all railroad property. Right, that was a pass. So, Montpelier's getting a grant. Well, I think what Montpelier and Barry want to do is have the, they used to have a shuttle thing. Yeah, with the train to go back and forth. And I think they're trying to get that started up again. They're saying that they're thinking of the three communities will be connected with a number of continuously operating rail buses to shuttle people back and forth. Being separated from the road, it will operate faster than fighting through the traffic. What's being separated from the road? How do you get to where you're going and get off the train? Well, I mean, they stop at the station out behind City Hall and Barry and Barry and Montpelier. And they go to the New Transit Center in Montpelier, right? Yeah. Oh. Mm-hmm. How would you answer that? And I don't know what they would do for Berlin unless they did something on the Partridge farm or... They could do with it. They could do with it at the Freistar. Yeah. They are talking about doing something at Partridge. A stop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's a traffic rail on that parking lot. Mm-hmm. But I haven't had that, you know, was it? Now, where it crosses behind the shopping center, that's on the other side of the river, right? Mm-hmm. Right, right, right. Just as you start up the hill and on the Partridge farm. But River Bubbles, right? It would be on this side of the river. Right. Yeah. Right around there before it crosses the street. Crosses the River of Medjugorje at the old hour-last time. Yeah. Yeah. You just can see that. Planned. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, they've been running some cars. With green. With green and all right. Well, there was discussion of some gentlemen about the bus cars. And those are all up in the Bombardier. Yeah, they're all up in the Bombardier place. Well, they put a lot of old pastoral cars in the head. Yeah. You know, there's self-contained. All these get from the Ericsson. When they got new subway cars, they bought the electric trains. They're up at the old Bombardier. So can those be converted just to cars? Well, I think that they can convert the engine to diesel. Yeah, they're self-contained cars, the engines, and the car. So would that be a train? I don't know. Oh, so it's just one car? Yeah. I think you'd see a lot of people use it, honestly. Well, years ago, they used to have they used to run a Christmas train from the old station in Montpelier to the one in Barry. And that one, I mean, I took my kids on it. That was pretty good until the train fell off the track. That could be a problem. They put a lot of money into the tracks. Well, they have to have this on their granite. Yeah, they can haul a granite. Yeah. What are the sounds of your videos, Nina? So that's all I have. You've got a minute. OK, approval of license, permit, vouchers, and applications. I'll move to approve general fund payable warrant 19G02 with checks 18242 to 18277. And the amount of $58,951.91, as well as payroll warrant 19-01 for payroll from June 24, 2018 to July 7, 2018. And the amount of $42,643.19, as well as June 2018 general journal and tax admin entries and adjustments. And the 2018 bank statement, reconciliations for general fund sewer commission and water division. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Motion carries. And round table, T? No, thank you. I'll leave Wayne in there. Any executive session? Yes, please. I need an executive session for contract. That's it. Thank you.