 Surprise! It's the Friday Vingo Roundup with Greg! Hello! Everyone and I brought Greg in to Vingo today. Yeah! I bet a lot of you don't know that Greg has written a lot of apps for Vingo 3. And I know that I use quite a few of your apps. I use the DNA citation. I get told constantly because I think I could get a citation done for four to five people in one minute. Yeah! And if I had to go and create it myself. So I use that one a lot. I actually like the game too. Greg has done a game for Wiki Tree for ancestors as well. This is going to be a really jam-packed hour because Greg is going to demo everything live as we go. So the Vingo card is posted up in the chat. Definitely bring that up. Greg's app page is also in the chat. We'll keep updating the chat with the apps that he's talking about online when he shares a screen. But let's go ahead and, I don't know, turn it over to Greg. Okay! Well then, maybe I'll start with the... Let me find my sharing screen right here. Entire screen. Let's go with that. And boom! There we go! So you've put the link to my apps page, right? We have. You have. Okay. Yeah. And if you're on my profile, I actually have the link on my profile as well. So you can always find it from there. And at the last minute, Sandy said, Well, I couldn't find the Fandoku app because it's not on your apps page. And then I realized that I hadn't actually added a category for all of the tree apps that I've created. So I've created them at the top and so the last one shouldn't say a fan chart. And none of the, and only two of them have the right graphic and none of them have the right links yet. But as soon as I get a free moment when Sandy is not looking, I will fix the links and make it work. But anyways, welcome everyone. And thanks Sandy and Aowyn for inviting me here to take part in Bingo. I just have to remember to leave enough time to actually play Bingo. So if you've watched me on the livecast, you know, I have the tendency to divert into all the different directions and whatever. So stop me when you need me to. But so the first category there is tree apps. And so I thought that we'll start the easiest way to get to tree apps, of course, is not from my page, but from your own profile. So we will go, we'll start with my profile just because that was the easiest one for me to get to. And if I use the tree apps from there, then I'm not worried about sharing my stuff. So when you first go into tree apps from your profile, it'll open up the last app that you worked on. And if you haven't been playing around with different apps, then the default is the couples dynamic tree now, I believe. Or it's one of the dynamic tree, either the vanilla dynamic tree or the couples dynamic tree. Those are the default ones. The one that I want to start with, though, is the fan chart. So I had created a fan chart app. It was one of it wasn't the very first app that I created, but it was one of the first ones. And Chris Ferriolo gets the distinction of the one who asked me or challenged me to create this. So he said, I bet you can't create a fan chart. Because what was a family search had just come out with one. And, you know, it looked pretty impressive, but Wikitree didn't have one. So he challenged me to make one. So challenge accepted. So it's been a standalone app, which all apps were for the longest time. But then this past year when we had Hacktoberfest in October, and a bunch of other programmers got together and we created apps. And a bunch of people worked on browser extensions. Then we took the apps that we created and put them in the place that's now called the tree apps area. So I reprogrammed the fan chart so it would fit there. So it would be integrated not even easier into Wikitree. And so you just have to choose fan chart and then it builds out to five generations, your fan chart. And if you have pictures, photos of your of your ancestors, you get them as well for free. And I think that we need to mention that the tree apps button on your profile. I think a lot of people just kind of see it, but don't read it or realize what it is and where it goes and what it does. It's a button there that I bet again, a lot of you are not clicking on. And when you click on that button, it's going to be various options of what you can do and manipulate the view of your tree. So basically the idea is it's a bunch of apps that all integrate with the Wikitree with the tree. And all of these ones take your family tree and explored or displayed in different forms and formats. So this is the one that I, which is really popular and one of the, the one I get most requests about, you know, adding new features to it to use it. I've got this little most of my apps, I have this little ribbon up top, which allows you to change things. So if you, especially if you've got a nice long screen, sometimes making it just a semi circle allows you to adjust it and sort of maximize your the wide screen. If your screen is a little square, then you know, the regular fan looking or the full circle version may be what you prefer. That's right. And you're manipulating that you're moving it around with just your mouse, right? I am. So I'm just grabbing, I'm just grabbing on the space with my mouse and holding it down and then just dragging it around. And the other thing is you can, if you have a scroll wheel on your mouse, you can use that to zoom in and out. Or if you've got a mobile device, you can pinch to zoom to do that. You can also use the your plus minus key, command plus or minus also on your, in your browser. So there's a number of different ways of, or also on a on my Mac trackpad. I'm not sure if on a Windows trackpad, you use two fingers in your, in your sort of slide up or down that also has the scrolling effect to zoom in. To zoom in and out. So you can do that. And then if you want to more generations, I'm going to go back to the semi circle myself right here. And while he's doing that, I just want to point out for those of you with kiddos, every kiddo in school seems to have some type of family tree project they need done. And I can't tell you how many people I have said, go to the tree apps, go to this chart on wiki tree and let your kid, you know, print it out. They still need to know who the ancestors are. As a child when I had to do money and I'm not going to date myself, but it was a very long time ago. It was little boxes, you know, and I had to draw and everything. This is fantastic for reports. And if any of you go to do seminars on wiki tree or your members of local genealogy societies and you want to show off wiki tree. These are the cool things to bring with you to show off. Okay, go ahead, Greg. Yeah, no, that's great. So the other thing I should, I should talk about though is the setting so in this little in the top right corner is the gears. And all of the apps or many of the apps have have settings and I've got them arranged in different tabs. And the names one is the one I have opens up by default so you can change the name. I usually leave it at first name at birth and the last name at birth but if if you prefer the married name, then you can change it to that. Now, because my my French Canadian side, the women don't change their last name so that you wouldn't see much difference there. But if you looked over on my Irish Scottish side, the paternal side, you'll see the names have changed. And that's only a few people there so that that's not as dramatic to show to demonstrate on this particular chart. I think most genealogists prefer the last name at birth myself. I don't know because sometimes people do we run into it in all the other sites, especially they will put the woman's married name when it really should be last name at birth and the other site. So this is kind of a way to weed that out to and kind of look at it instantly. So many of us are visual and we actually see it like this and go, Oh, okay, that's not really her name. Let me go search for her last name at birth or maiden name. But I think that these tools for those that are visual and like to see how the ancestors are plotted out and look at it, especially with the pictures. This is fantastic. Excellent. Thank you. In the dates, you can change how the dates are formatted. You can also choose whether whether you want to show all the birth and the death dates or if you just want to do the lifespan, for example, then it'll just show the years. So if you need to, you know, shrink up a little space or whatever, or, or if you don't if you have a mixture of dates, for example, say some you have specific dates and some you don't have and you just don't want them all to look want them look more the same. What's one of the options. And likewise, you can turn on or off the locations. The one thing I don't have in this version that I have in the standalone is the merit be the ability to add marriage dates and location. And I do intend to add that feature in the tree apps version, but I just haven't had a chance to get around to it yet. But one of the things if you do show the locations, let me just put the birth one back on is you can choose what kind of location you want. So if you can put in the whole location as entered, or you can choose to just put in say the region in the country, which would be like the state in the country or the province in the country if you wanted to. So you'll see all of mine turned to Ontario Canada or Quebec Canada. And then again, you can control whether you want photos or not. I have this feature here that limits the photos to the first so many generations because most people don't have photos past, say, well five. Most of you are really lucky if you've got photos of the sixth generation, I think. And then the fun thing is, is a way to colorize, you know, so by default it's colored by generation, but you could color it by, say, great grandparents. And then if you do that, then you see the sections of the by the grandparents, which is kind of neat. That is cool because it'll go up instead of more just and if you don't like pastels and you want to use my favorite shade of green, then you can do that. Or you can, if you alternate those colors, that's, well, that's not very dramatic. Let's go back to generation. Let's see if that's more dramatic. It's all very shady. I don't know, but you can see the font has changed colors. So there's a bit of a variety there. And then the last thing is the highlights. And for that, you can actually highlight things like your X chromosome inheritance. Oh, that's cool. So the X chromosome is only passed on from mother to child, or whatever second. Mothers pass it on to all their children. Fathers pass it on to their daughters, but there's no father to son because father to son, they pass on a Y chromosome, not the X. So if people are matching on the X chromosome, then there's a limited number of cells on this fan chart that you actually could have received that. So you can limit your search to just these highlighted ancestors. And since that's pretty tricky for people to remember, this is one way to easily see that. You can do the same thing with mitochondria, which will be just up the maternal line or the Y up the paternal line. And the other thing is you want to see which ancestors on your fan chart you've already done DNA confirmations for? Yeah, that would be great. Oh, wow. And there you go. You've got it. So I've got one great great grandmother who I do not have a confirmation for because she was the first wife of David and then she passed away. So I don't have a sister of her. I'm because of that two marriages and because she only had my direct ancestor, I can't narrow in. I can't find that yet unless I can find some siblings back here and do it anyways. It bugs me because it doesn't look nice and neat. I had no clue this was here. This is also because we were just talking in one of our discord chats about how we need to start working on our DNA citations. We work so much in getting the people in and like you mentioned the dates, the photos. Now that we've got that, the DNA citations need to come next. I could just do this and click and see who I need. This is fantastic. I did not have a clue that was in it. See, I wrote something from you guys all the time. There's always something. That's good. Well, I'm glad. And if you click show all links. Then if you click on that DNA page from in here. I clicked on this DNA button and it opens up the DNA confirmation aid for that particular ancestor that I was on. You can go straight to that. If I wanted to see, I really want to know why, Martha. This will give me the confirmation aids. If there were other people who had done testing, they would show up there and then I could follow up on that and go for there. I think that's all I need to say about the tree fan chart. A couple of other things. The colorizing the repeat ancestors. If you go out far enough in your generations, you'll see. I think I have to go to 10 to get, there we go. When you see funky colors showing up, that means that these ancestors appear more than once in your tree. And that's kind of a neat feature, which is unique to wiki tree. There's no other fan chart that currently at least does that though. Since it's such a cool feature, I'm just waiting for someone to steal that idea. If these color, that means that François Papillot and Elizabeth Bruisson, they show up somewhere else in my tree. I'm related to them more than once. You can turn that off if you don't like that. You can change the fonts to fantasy fonts if you wanted to. Lots of cool things. Since we just talked about DNA confirmations, maybe we should look at that. If you have not used the DNA citation creator maker, you're going to love this. You're going to blow your way with this, save so much time. And I'm talking as a pro genealogist that has created so many of these from scratch. So many. And I used to have just a little simple template on a text document and I would plug it in. Would still take me forever to do it. So I love this. Excellent. Okay. So this is in my list of apps. Where did my apps go here? The DNA citation confirmation citation maker is one of a bunch of apps that I created to help create source citations. And of course, creating a DNA source citation is tricky because there's so many bits and pieces you have to put in. So just like a birth source citation, you have to put a date in a place and where the document came from and all that sort of stuff. With a DNA citation, you have to put down which company, which testing company had the DNA match, how many centimorgans, how large the match was, how many segments attached, and what's the relationship between the people and the most common, most recent common ancestors. So there's a lot of information to pack there. So it can get kind of confusing. So I took on the challenge to create an app to sort of streamline that. And basically the way it works is step by step. So there's lots of different ways you can do a DNA confirmation. I'm just going to demonstrate a simple one. So that just means that you have a DNA match like on ancestry, my heritage or through Jed match. And it says that, you know, you're a match and it's third cousin or closer. So I'm going to use an example of myself and my cousin Darlene, who was actually the first cousin who contacted me when I did my DNA match on ancestry. And she's also a wiki tree member. So you put in your ID and the other person's wiki tree ID, and then you go next. And then it'll go check and see, you know, where in wiki tree are these two people related and then it builds your little mini tree. And then you check that to make sure it's accurate. And indeed it is. So Darlene was my father's first cousin. So she's my first cousin once removed. And pause for just a second. I want everybody to understand that if you had to create this from scratch, you were spending a substantial amount of time not only going and digging and trying to match. But wiki tree has given you a little bit of tools as well to help match this. You just need to make sure that like somebody could add Mickey Mouse and say it was your brother. So you do need to make sure that these people are real people and that they are connected correctly. But then for you to use Greg's DNA confirmation that you see here saves you so much time because you would literally have to go step by step by step and create texts for each. And you have to match those centimorgans and which testing agency as you said, this is a lot of work. So now when Greg clicks this button, you're going to be amazed. Thanks, Sandy. So let's go. Let's go. Yeah, so I hit next. And there is another step. You have to answer these three questions in the affirmative because sort of you have to confirm that your relationship is has been matched to traditional gene knowledge. Like so, you know, that it's been there's sources for all of those. And since we're on wiki tree, you can pretty much assume that's true, but you should double check it anyways. And has it been confirmed by DNA company? Yes. And does the does the relationship that the matching company predict match with the genealogy of the family tree predict, you know, because if they are out of sync, then you can't make a you can't confirm that match because there's something wrong. Right. Or there's some other relationship that we don't know about. Okay. So as long as those three criteria are correct. Yes, yes, yes, then go to next. Then we put in the details of the company. And I try to make it as simple as possible so you can just to drop down. We're actually both on Jed match. And you can see all of these things are filled out in advance because I tested this before but you just goes in. And if you are in Jed match and you can you can put in their Jed match kit, and there's her Jed match kit number. Then that information actually will get added to the confirmation as well. Then I click next. And this is the magic. This is where the magic happens. This is amazing. Look at all this and he's not just giving you between him and a cousin. He's going to give you the extra chips as well. And I just can't tell you how much time. I do want to pause real quick for somebody to go into a wiki tree profile and click that option that says confirmed with DNA. And if you do not have a DNA confirmation statement, it will throw that profile in the air. Just saying, Hey, I know because, you know, I grew up with mom and dad and my brother. So yeah, we're DNA. We're DNA. Please don't make that assumption. And please have a DNA confirmation statement. So what Greg's done is he's made it easy. If you have testing with cousins, brothers, mothers, you know, it bothers your, your own descendants. This is the way that you can use this. But you cannot click D confirmed with DNA on a profile unless you have a statement. Yeah. So the very first one will be the statement that you would put on. So because I put my name first in the thing. So this would be the statement that I would put on my, on my, on my page, my profile page. So I would go to where right here? Yeah. I would go to William Douglas's page and I would add this citation and there it is right there. And so I can put a copy button, which will copy it automatically to my clipboard. So, and then, and then I can open it up. And in fact, I've even got you, I've put a link directly. So if I click on that, it's going to automatically open up that page. And all I have to do is go into edit mode. And now because it opened up in a new tab, I can always go back and see what the instructions were. I've put the instructions in words and pictures. I tried to make this, I tried to make this as simple as possible because it's not a simple process. It really isn't in DNA. Sometimes when you mention just DNA, people check out. Yeah. I don't get it. I don't understand it. Yeah. He's making it so you can get it. That's right. So I mark the relationship as confirmed for both the mother and the father, which I have. And then I go down and then I add that sortation, which I will go down and then there's it. I put the DNA section under sources and I put that and I've actually already done this. So there's already a citation there, but what I haven't done. So then Sandy was talking about bonus. So if you remember the, the mini tree that we had, and actually I can just go back to that quickly. Let's go back to that mini tree. So I have confirmed. I've confirmed this relationship here basically. Or this relationship right here. Now I can because of that DNA match and because I can actually confirm every step in between all of these. So I can confirm myself to my father, my father to my grandfather, my grandfather to my great grandfather, and then him down to my great uncle to my cousin. So all of those people can be confirmed with this one test using this one app. So now if I just have to zip back through all those other places. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. And let's do that. Okay. So all these bonus ones, I'm going to show those ones and I can grab those. So one I didn't do is, let's see, I haven't done this guy. So from, let's go Rob. So if I go to Rob's, if I copy this, and I go to Rob's, see the under sources I have his birth and I find it great, but I don't have the confirmation. So I'm going to do that. And it said that I could confirm both his father and his mother. So I'm going to do that confirm with DNA. I'm going to go down here. Thanks to one that I will mention Karen brought up how do I can do a DNA confirmation for living people who don't want to be public. I can tell you what I do and I'll see if Greg does the same. I use their initials. Like instead of Sandy Paddock, I would do SP and use that as the DNA confirmation instead of the full name or the link to their profile. Is that what you suggest as well? Yeah, that's what I would do too. Now, because Darlene is a Wiki Tree member. Yeah. Then I'm okay. And I know, I know Darlene. I'm okay with leaving with having her name there, but if she was not an active Wiki Tree member, then I would definitely just use an alias or her initials. So there you go. So now he is now confirmed with DNA. And because he has that statement there that traces it back how he's confirmed because this will also say Darlene is a Greg's information it will trace back so there is a way to follow the breadcrumbs per se. We can go ahead and click that option for confirmed with DNA. Yeah, that's right. So you can see, yeah, you can see then that because the confirmation also includes how we're related so it's Darlene and Greg first cousin removed. It talks how we're related to the most common ancestors, the grandparents of Darlene the great grandparents of great like all of that information there which you would have to have crafted yourself. Which takes a while. And I will give you an example. I have a six half brothers, and only one of them is on Wiki Tree the other ones are not. And so what I do for those I use their ancestry tests, and I only use their initials and I list them as a half brother some some one of them. I think I even got lazy and I just listed the first initial of their name and stated the information was from ancestry. I cannot Greg cannot this tool cannot go into somebody else's profile and start doing DNA confirmation matches as if we were in that profile. We're working from our profiles and from open profiles I believe was that great uncle. That was a great uncle that open profiles, but to actually go into Darlene's profile Greg or this tool cannot do that. What can be done in that instance is if you do have a DNA match you could either reach out to them via Wiki Tree through the private messaging leave a comment saying hey I have a DNA confirmation can I send it to you and do it that way as well. But this tool doesn't go into other people's profiles per say that are locked or living. No, it gives you all the gives you all the data if you have access to that or you can and again you could copy it email it to them or send it to them. And because I want to bring this up because Susan brought up to two questions like I don't think you can can add a DNA test info to profile people who haven't activated their profiles. You really can't because you can't have access to their profile their profiles locked. So we can't really do that. If they did add their DNA information on their profile then it will also show on yours if it's matched and that's where Greg's pulling the information for this tool. So do can you add the test info to the profile someone who's never added in on to Wiki Tree. If they've never logged in then they don't have their their DNA information so you're pulling it from somewhere else like Ancestry. And if say they go to example this would be their I guess account that's never signed the honor roll or honor roll boy I've got school in my mind. Honor code then you can't really do much with their profile on their profile. But if you have their information say on a testing company you can use what I would do their initials. I don't think I would link to their profile because they are a guest they haven't completed their Wiki Tree membership. Would you agree Greg or. Yeah and I've added this I had added this extra customized citations which I wasn't going to go into but you've led me right into it. Oh for Darlene like I could use your current name and not have a choice to whether to link to her profile or not but if I just wanted to use an alias and no link. Then that's then this is what it was perfect. So that's what I tend to do for my brothers and I will say this my brothers they all know where Matt what I do when they don't have a problem with it. But I do because my DNA so that's why I use their alias instead. Now I should say this I do have one half brother that I fully use his name. I've talked to him with it and he said yeah put it out there. Those of you that are familiar with me this is the one half brother that is absolutely positively convinced that he is the reincarnation of William Wallace. So that's why he was out there. Okay. So you never know. So okay so if everybody could bring up your first bingo card we're going to go into that. And while you do that we're going to do a little housekeeping and ask some questions here. So who says what if the prediction slightly off like second cousin versus second cousin first removed. Well you know because DNA is so random in terms of how much is distributed. There is a range. So if the testing company, you know, says their best guess is second cousin once removed but you really are second cousins, as long as it fits within that range, then it's generally okay. And everybody would like separate training videos for each of your apps. So this will keep you busy over the summer. Well, the good news is I actually do if you for the DNA confirmation app you scroll down to the bottom, there are how to videos I've actually got five of them there. Fabulous. So Peter and Peter, Peter Roberts helped me because he was one of the he's been one of the biggest testers and advocates for this app along with mags course and John Kingman is also huge and DNA has been very helpful. And if you if you see them, there's a DNA question on G to G those are the kind of the standard people who will go in and help you answer some of those questions so go all the way down to the bottom of the DNA confirmation tool. You can check out the website here in chat to real quick just go back to the fan chart. Oh, sure. So if you get those repeats, can I assume and I will tell you Carol the first thing I said is I'm going to see a lot of these repeat colors in my Appalachia charts. Oh, yes. Can I assume the shared ancestors that you have are the E word. Oh yeah, my French Canadians when you get back after this it just it's exponential. Because at the first level I have two or four shared repeats and then I have 26 the next level and then it's in the hundreds. Because we're talking the founding of Quebec and there wasn't that many people around and they got very friendly. Very cold during the winners. Okay, and let's see so. Oh, here's another one. How to do DNA confirmation for living people don't want to be I think we mentioned that break has the option for alias in his DNA confirmation. Yeah. And if you if you don't pick that for some reason accidentally when you copy it over to your own profile just remove the name and just use the initials. Please sometimes I will use the first initial only I know who I'm talking about most people will figure it out long after I'm gone who I'm talking about. When I mentioned half brother because everybody has a different first name. You can use, you know, three initials if that makes it a little easier I know some families like to name their kids all names and start with J's for example so you can use the middle initial and last name. If that makes it easier. Last name initial. Yeah. So one of the things I built is so you can put in the alias from upfront. And then as you go through it's going to say well who is you know how are we related and then so you can find it from there. And then in Joker this is exactly what I do. This is exactly I just use the initials and they are it and I assume that yours is to living living individuals. Yeah. One of the recent things I did is I allowed you to actually actually put drop down so you can actually drill the alias there. Yeah. And keep in mind that once this is done and completed and you copy it over to your profile. If the person that you're working with like Darlene is living and on wiki to reach out to them and let them know I already got the confirmation so you want it and I you know this is public it is on your profile. As it is. But for me, I tend to handle this in a private email, but it's up to you guys how you really want to do it. And this is a good example with Carol she manages her brothers and he's fine with adding his DNA information to wiki tree. Is there a way for me to bring his DNA to my site using his initials. You can confirm it. Yeah. You can confirm the connection because because your test matches his right. That's what I'm assuming that question is to and if I can use initials at my brother's can you help me great. He just showed you the alias, but if he's on wiki tree. Right. The drop down will give you the alias. If not, then just copy the information here was still give you the alias wouldn't it. Yeah, it shouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. So then you said either way, but Carol trust me whenever you copy any information from the citation tool over to your profile. When you're editing look at you just take out his name and just leave his initials is really kind of that simple. If you accidentally had all his name. He's not on wiki tree. Same thing alias. Great. He's giving you. Yeah, you can make DNA confirmations with us with the second the second person isn't on wiki tree. It's you've got a match so you can use that match to confirm your your half of the tree. And in fact you can confirm your half of the tree and then part of the tree down to them up until where you run out of wiki tree people. I've got lots of cousins who don't have I haven't feel I haven't filled all of the older information down right so I go as far as I can and then I stop. And I will tell you Carol again by I only have one half brother out of six that are on wiki tree. Go to my page click on the look under the sources because I keep all my DNA confirmations under sources look under sources and you'll see exactly how I have it I just use their initials. Five of them and my biological father and my mother are not on wiki tree they're not wiki tree years I should say they they are on wiki tree but they're not wiki tree years. So if you look at my profile you'll see exactly what I've done and I think that's the example that you are looking at as well. And I don't think it really matters if it's autosomal. No, it's why DNA if it's my it's bright gives you the tools for it all. Yeah, it works the same way except the only difference is that when it looks for the tree. If it's a wide DNA then it only looks on the paternal line. Which is really great because you can't make a mistake and put mother to female is not possible. That's right. And Steven this is your lucky day is the day that you and Mary roll over for the bingo prize so speaking of bingo you guys ready for bingo. I think they're ready. Let me bring up my bingo I'll share my screen Greg and then we will get started now Greg came up with these words. He gets to explain. Yeah, I was gonna say why why don't words there. Okay, so again for bingo just to remind everybody you can get a horizontal diagonal vertical if I get my my hand motions. There is a free space in the middle go ahead and click on that now if you see the free space you will know that it relates exactly and correctly DNA matched to Greg is musical notes. So go ahead and click on that now the first person that wins bingo is the first person that gets one of those all the way across and types bingo in the chat if you do not type bingo in the chat and you one bingo. I don't know it. So there could be five of you that when it's same time it's the kind of the fastest type of goes and you get a prize up to $30 prize and I will tell you gas the bingo mug is the most popular item in the wiki tree store. Excellent. Okay ready go and we're going to go pretty quick guys because we got lots more good stuff to show and demo with great. Fantastic. Fantastic. I said that a lot so I was fabulous net fan. I tell you as soon as I get done with bingo I'm going straight to the fan and look at my DNA citations. There you go. Photos photos you can show your photos on your fan chart or in other apps to that are created the fan chart. Okay. Perfect. Okay. And you can choose whatever palette you want. I'm telling you I'm seeing when you were playing with the colors I can see so many kids using this for school reports. Oh yes. That's right. Yeah there we go. We're talking about the colors. Yeah. And for those of the chart. I think that there's confusion over the why DNA and not sure for sure why but it Greg's app works with all DNA. Yeah. They can make or works with all DNA. I don't discriminate. Generations. Yeah. All the apps you can choose how many generations to show. And this will be curious to see what most people end up showing a lot. I can tell you again I'm going to go back to that school project. We were required to show to our grandparents. When my son did it you know I guess about five years ago he was required to go to great grandparents and beyond and I think it's because of technology now before we used to have to call our grandparents and ask them. Yeah. That's right. Places. Yeah. You can customize which ones you show. And talking about why DNA. We've exhausted so just so everybody knows the cool thing works with all the DNA citation maker works with everything and for why DNA it will force it through the mail line which would be correct. That's right. You can't make a mistake. I cannot add my father's why DNA on my profile. It is impossible with great citation maker. So the central person is the person in the middle of the fan chart that you grow from and sometimes I use that in the help or in describing it. So if you see that word that means the one in the middle and we can change that. Yeah you can change the person in the middle. Yeah. So standalone refers to apps that are not part of the tree app system. So they are on the so my index page and my the ones that I started with all apps used to be standalone and you can get to all of the standalone apps from the there's a menu item now under find apps. There is a it'll take you to the apps the standalone apps. The alternating colors option allows allows the colors and the tech and the fonts to change colors so that you can you can more easily distinguish colors that are close together like the shades of green as you saw on mine. It was a little harder to distinguish them before until I put the alternating colors. And that was very interesting because that was nice how you did a shade it the different colors so it was it made it really nice to look at. Well that's what I felt like my default. I'm hard of color. I'm not color blind but I have different difficulty distinguishing sometimes shades that are close. So my favorite color I call it garish you know bright reds and yellows and greens and you know which looks primary. Yeah. Big primary colors you know think think six doc doctor who coat. Yeah, but I know I realize I've come to realize that lots of people like more muted colors or more gentle on the eyes. We have got a bingo. I love it already. That was really quick and I love that we've got a bingo and yes I will say that this is an Applatch project member as well. So congratulations. Hello, Georgia. I might add too. So congratulations Cindy. I am really thrilled that you won bingo. Let me tell you how to get your prize. The prize you're going to email a one at this email address and tell her that you won the bingo one of the bingos with Greg and his apps. She will get you the information to the store. The store is also a really tiny link at the top of our Friday night bingo page space page as well. But there are hats there are shirts long sleeve short sleeve their bags tote bags and there are mugs and I will tell you this is the most popular bug. But I needed to warn everybody if you want this mug you need to tell if you know already you want to mention the all black one. There is a black and white one that this is white. So you want to mention all black one. If that's what you know, if you want that already, go ahead and send that information to her and she will get you hooked up. And I understand too that the prizes are getting two people a lot quicker as well. So congratulations, Cindy. Now we've got one more chance to win bingo. So I'm going to let Greg share his screen again. And what are we going to visit now? Okay. Well, do you want me to do to show off one of the other citation makers? I think it's handy because I know that we have a lot of people in here from Italy project the England project, and also a couple from the Canadian project. So I think it would be handy to show this. Okay, super. Okay, then well so this is my, my grandma Clark. Her, she was in the 19 in the 1921 census. But I just found her last week basically because well the June 1 was an exciting day for us Canadians, as you may or may not know, because the 1931 census was finally available for us. It just amazes me because I know everybody's so excited about that. And I'm like, we already had our 19. Yeah, I know you had your senses last year. And you got 1950. I can't believe you guys are so far in the future. I know. But the rules is that you have to wait 92 years for our senses so man bummer. And then there were some technical difficulties to it took a lot like trying to access the site on the on June 1 was painful. And it hasn't been indexed or at least as far as I know it hasn't been fully indexed yet so you have to actually know where to find it. But in, in advance of that I tried to find my grandparents in 1921 and I couldn't find them. But I found them because when I found them in 31 and I just I did you know you do the trip where you find neighbors. Yes. And I found my other set of grandparents while I found both sets of grandparents in the 1931 census. And they were on the same they were in this they were only two pages apart from each other. So I thought well if I find my my macaizic grandparents in 1921 then I just go back or forth a few pages and sure enough I found them. And they transcribed their name wrong. Clark Clark. And I tried different combinations but I never thought of trying clerk. But like an A and an E I thought look pretty different. I think so too. But anyways. So if you've got your the census here now this is not one of the ones that the the Sorcerer app or the Sorcerer extension creates a citation for and you've got Rob coming on later to talk about the Sorcerer app right. Yes. So it is amazing. And if you look back at my list of apps. I've done a number of apps that help with creating source citations just because I don't like to create them if I don't have to from scratch. I got spoiled by using family search when I first joined wiki tree where you click the button and it does it for you. And then I thought why doesn't every site do that. I will tell you that I have been a long term user of your ancestry. Or Sorcerer came around Greg's ancestry citation maker was the only thing I use. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, um, yeah. And you know what, I myself don't use this anymore. I use Rob Sorcerer. Wonderful. So, I mean, this still works. I think I had to change it. I had to change it recently because there was something they changed the template or something like that. I would recommend using Rob Sorcerer app and not worrying about this one, but there is no one for the Canadian census. So I created one for that. The Antonati one I created for the Italian website, which looks like this. So you go on to Antonati and you can find the actual birth like look at that, the actual transcription in Italian of the birth record. That's amazing. Which is really cool. And so you can create a source citation for that as well now with my Antonati app. And just recently I was working doing some work on the server for a friend, tracing back her Irish heritage. So I created a source citation for some Irish sites. Now Rob has just added three of those sites already to his source site. And I was going to do that. I was thought, well, maybe I can figure out how to do a browser extension, but then he beat me to it. So I don't know. He literally just added those. I know. I know he did. So anyways, that standalone before he did it. And now his version probably does better than my job does. But anyways. So anyways, but I'm going to show you how to use the Canadian source one with the 1921. So for mine, so I opened it up here. I mean, I could open it from there. And this is interesting. Susan said that she has sometimes difficulty with the source or app. And I do know that she's on a Mac as well, but she uses your Canadian census citation. Oh, nice. Instead. So if for any reason, the source or app doesn't work for you, Greg has given you great options. Yeah. So the way my my app works is you have to fill in the top two things that are in the tan area. So the URL right up in the bar there. Is that what should I make that larger? My screen larger. About 150 175. There you go. There you go. Okay. Of course, it doesn't make the URL bar any larger. Which occurs up there. Copy that. A little handy handy trick is command L on the Mac or control L on a Windows machine will automatically go up there and copy that or highlighted anyways. Command C to copy it. And you paste it over here in the URL and go back and then you put your cursor in the middle of the page anywhere. You have to, you want to highlight all of the text on the page. So command a or control a to select all the text and then command C or control C to copy the text. And you go back to the source, the citation creator and you paste it into this box here. And then when you hit tab to go to the next page, it automatically parses it and transcribes all that information. And I'm going to actually put in Louisa Clark is actually her was actually her name person obviously did not like A's because they got the wrong twice. And Jen is asking, this is going to create that Canadian census citation. That's right. So all the other information, you could double check that all the other information is correct. But I have so I don't need to do that. Now what I could do is I could also put the other household members. That's been Patrick. And I will mention this too. This is kind of, I don't want to call it old school because I still use it to this day. I used it this morning as a matter of fact, but this is a way that a lot of pro genealogist data mine off census of any type is in using the command keys and copying the whole page as well. So if you're familiar with your command keys or if you are a regular person who data mines or if you want to start data mining off any senses, this is kind of textbook way to do it. Yeah. So I just hit the compile button and there you have your magic citation. So the census citation is there for the Canadian. Yeah. So then I, you can just hit the copy button or you just use your own copy and paste. And then we go to where did I put grant? Oh, let me just. Okay. So I have to jump over to my adoptive side because this is actually Graham and Clark that I grew up with. So my, there we are. So I see I don't have her citation. I don't have her. 19, 20. Okay. She married. And he can just click the edit screen. Go into our profile. In 1921. Lisa. With her husband. And they're two young boys on the farm in their township. Based. Done. Yeah. Done. And. One census. Edit. Now a lot of people do ask this and I'm going to answer this now because that we are talking about citation makers. A lot of people will just put while 19, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50. It's not a citation. It's not a source. I did the 1950 census has too many people in it. I have no clue where to look. You can put 1950 senses, you know, Georgia, still not a citation, not a source. I don't know where to go. Some people will list all the texts. They will list the district. They will list the area. They will list everything but not include the link. but we're in the modern age. So why not include the link? And that's what Greg Citation Maker does. And later on, you'll see that Rob Sorcer does. It includes all that information and a link. And if you were researching a Canadian profile and you just see the information, but not a link, guess what? You're gonna have to go fish. You're gonna have to go search and dig. And like Greg mentioned, he had to do a little extra because the name was spelled wrong. Especially when names or locations are spelled wrong, if you include a link, it takes you directly there and you can match it up. So as a researcher researching this line, this citation is beautiful. It's perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Well, and I've actually added two links, two for the price of one. Yeah. So the first one is that if I'm holding down my command key so that it opens up in a new tab so I don't lose the original page, is that an information page that I showed you before, right? Great. And the second one is the actual link to the census page itself, the original. So now- So you can see who our neighbors are. Yeah. Who the people are in the family line. Like right there. See, that's clearly an A, C-L-A-R-K-E. And that's clearly an A at the end of the visa. It does look like an A. I think you picked the perfect example because it's missed out, you have the link. So not only can you see what the transcription was on the pretty blue page with the maple leaf, but you can go straight here to the actual document and see it. I just think it's fantastic. Thanks. Now, I'm not gonna go through and do the other one for 1931, but for the 1931, until it's indexed at least, if you know where to find your ancestors. So I'm gonna show you exactly that same family, which is right. What is it? Clark, there we are. Now, in this one, they left off the E. Apparently they're having troubles spelling it the same way that we- In that you probably see often. In that you probably manipulate your search. Yeah. So there's Thomas family number six. Thomas, my grandfather. Rose Louise was my grandmother's full name. Rose Lou. I've never heard anyone call her Lou. So that's interesting. That was Lou. Yeah. And then Patrick and then John Thomas. So there they are right there. So if you're using my Canadian Census app to do this one, the trick you have to use, you have to open up this information panel here so that the information here gets included when you do the citation. So if I were to change this. Oh, that's- And then Karen had a question. How do you know which sites have permalinks? Permalinks. So I would say that I know what she's asking but it's kind of hard to explain it. I know that family search will change sometimes, their links, and we have a database in the state that all my ancestors are from from West Virginia. They have a huge data mining of things and they changed their links, all of them. And I would have told you 100% they were permalinks. I would have fought to the death that they were permalinks. And then two years ago they changed them and now they're all broken. Every link is broken. So I don't know if we know for sure, but I think we do a lot of assumptions for some of the major data sites like the Canadian census or like the family search. I certainly think I can think how to answer that. That's right, yeah. Like I think the Canadian, the Library and Archives Canada has been very good about making sure that they never reuse the numbers again for any of the individual census pages. And I think that's probably something they will continue to do. So I would suspect that those links are fairly permanent. Now they're changing the servers. So the first part of the URL might change, but that can be all, if it's a consistent one, that can be changed with edit bot on Wiki Street. And I will say this too, there's been a couple instances recently, I noticed that edit bot has, somebody has let a less know of the changes and those have been picked up and he programmed them in edit bot. So we wouldn't get tons of profiles in error. So if you notice something like that, like a permalink that is just broken from an organization, a company, something like that, post it on G2G. And people will check it out and look at it and it'll last just pretty much on top of all that stuff. And I see a lot of people are doing a lot of different things. So people will just post a link. Some people will just post the information. Some people will post both of those and also the date of access, all good answers. You know, the correction of typos, that one, I usually post the source directly as it's given to me from Greg's Canadian, so I usually make her a source or, and then I do a little note and I put the analysis to say what the name is. Sometimes if it's really, really wrong, I'll do research notes. Greg mentioned also that Lou was a new nickname to him. Sometimes I will put that in a research note. So it pops out. You have a lot of flexibility with WikiTree, what you do with these types of instances where new names or different spellings come up. And we have a lot of immigrants that come over to both Canada and the US. So, you know, those are research items to me. That's right, yeah. Now, if you've got a nice, a fulsome source citation like this one, where it gives you like the district number and the location, then even if the, even if the links change, you've got enough information about where to find it, right? Because you can drill down in whatever new structure it is. I just wanted to say here, and I've typed it in case you were watching, if you're using the 31, the 1931 census, because it hasn't been indexed and that information isn't on that information page, you, I've given you empty fields to fill in the person's name and age and the line and the family number. So then that will still create the same fulsome source citation, but you have to do a little extra work yourself to fill that in. But that's still a lot less than creating it from scratch. You know, but that's really great because I can tell you that the 1950 census was not indexed for a very, very long time. A lot of us were going to the NARA site and we didn't really have the ability to create a citation nice and packaged like this. And if we would have had these forms, we could have put it in because it took quite a bit of months for census to be actually inputted, indexed properly throughout the ancestries and the family searches and stuff like that. Okay, let's bring up the second big note game, guys. Oh, you're not gonna create your own, you're not gonna do the surnames? We're gonna do that one come back. Oh, okay. We're gonna do that one come back. Okay. We got to leave them with some good things. N surnames, Greg's mentioning. If you happen to watch the DNA with Mags, everybody fell in love with surnames. So this is what we're gonna end up with is the surnames and a little bit of Bandugo. Okay, let me bring my screen up. And again, if you're just joining us, the bingo to win horizontal, vertical, diagonal and the first person who types bingo in the text in the YouTube chat wins bingo. You cannot have won before unless your name is Mary Sleppy and Steven T. And I'm not gonna try and say your last name, Steven. Sorry, I'm not. So those are the only two that are eligible because this has been our six month anniversary. We were rolling over into our six month. We're gonna go down a quick. So everybody go ahead and dab that free space. It is a mathematical problem. And again, if you know Greg, he knows that. I still haven't ruck him into tutoring my son in college calculus, but there's still time. Okay, so unique web. Ooh, okay. So one of the three apps I've got is called the Ancestors Web. And it starts off with a regular pedigree chart. But if you want to only show unique ancestors, so an ancestor only shows up once, then that's what I call the unique web of ancestors. This copy HTML button is in the surnames app. So when you create your surnames list, click copy HTML and you can copy it. You could copy it to a blog if you wanted to. Well, that's really cool. Yes. That would be really great. Mm-hmm. The Fibonacci sequence is just a lovely sequence of numbers. Yeah, well, we were coming up with a window. Let's have some fun with this and we've got to have some math. The interesting thing is the Fibonacci sequence is as mirrored by looking at how the X chromosome is propagated because it uses a Fibonacci. If you count the number of people at each ring, they form a Fibonacci sequence. So it starts with one, two, three and you get the next number by adding the two previous numbers. So two plus three gives you five. Three plus five gives you eight. Five plus eight gives you 13, which is the next one. And then you can keep on going. And Greg will be going grocery shopping with me next and keeping a rolling total of what I purchased. So I'm not surprised at the checkout. Oh, 90 degrees gives you those nice straight lines. Also good for making semicircles and other things. So WASD, in the game of Fandoku, you can use your keyboard to select which ancestor you want to place and which cell in the fan chart is highlighted. And WASD controls one of those and another four letters controls the other for those who don't want to use a mouse or can't use a mouse. I think we all know who ancestors are and many of my apps- I think we all have one. We all have one. Maybe more than that, but we all have one. A fractal tree. I haven't got to show that one off, but it's sort of, if you think of a regular family tree that starts when you start at the middle, you go the father and the mother are on this side and then you go out this way and it looks like an H and then it goes and it's a fractal because it keeps on repeating but it's the same basic pattern getting larger and larger and larger. I think it's very cool looking. It is, you know, not to make fun of the light of it. It reminds me of that ride at the carnival almost, you know, that has something coming out and it just gets getting bigger and bigger as you see it. That's exactly it. And depending on how you color it, because you can use the same coloring options at the fan chart, you can make it look really funky. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Thing is a sound you hear in Fandoku if you've completed a level. And when you came out with Fandoku, I think I was talking to Mindy. Mindy showed it to me first when I was talking about it and I said, make it go further, make it go further out. Well, I did actually add a couple levels to it. You can go to five or six now, I think. And you think you know your ancestors. You think it's pretty easy, but it's for this day I'll play it every once in a while, especially on a boring conference call in real life. I don't know. So there's that other key combination to move the other. I think the WASD moves the ancestors highlight, which ancestor is highlighted? And then the IJKL highlights the place you want to dump them to in the fan chart. It was fabulous, but you're giving us options if we don't have the mouse. That's right, yeah. I use the mouse a lot, but someone suggested that the mouse is awkward for some people. Feedback options, in the Fandoku there's different options. You can have it give you positive comments or not at all. I don't have it doing snarky comments. So good, I was gonna ask you, please tell me it doesn't say what? You don't know. It is not like carrot weather. You don't know your daddy. DNA confirmation. We talked a lot about that in the first half, didn't we? We did, and definitely everybody, I want all of you all after this to go check out the DNA confirmation on your fan chart. And then once you figure out who you need to add from that fan chart, then go straight to the DNA confirmation app. It's so easy. 3.1.1.5.9.6. And I guess, since we're having fun with our Friday roundup, we showed them pie and mags and blueberry. Oh, yes, exactly, that's right. Well, in programming the fan chart, I had to use pie a lot to create all those angles. I actually did need to use all that trig that you learned in high school that you never think you're going to use. Well, I knew I was going to use it, but... You know, I haven't used it yet. If I made you program the full fan chart, you'd have to. Applauds, you can have the Fandoku applaud you when you're finished. In hang on, guys, because after this bingo, we're going to go through two things real quick. Oh my gosh, Steven, you just made me super happy. You made me super, super happy with this because it was the roll of the day. I actually was going to wait until next bingo and Aon came in and gave her a rubber stamp and said, let's do it today. So, Steven, you are the proud second winner of bingo. Excellent, and Mary slept you too there. That is, wait, oh no, sorry, Mary got it, thank you. Sorry, Steven, come back, come back. Mary got it, that is so crazy. Both of you both got bingo. I know. And both of you both got bingo on the same day, same time, six months ago. So, Mary, sorry, Steven, I'm so sorry to get you so excited and you don't have to come back. That's all I can say. So, Mary, let me tell you. Only one person wins? One person wins per game. Oh. And so then let me go ahead then and tell you, Mary, go ahead and email Aon and let her know that you are official first, second winner. Oh, no, we're great. That's so fabulous. Congratulations, Mary. That was cool. That was very, very cool. So, sorry about that, Steven. Sorry, Mary, we got it. Mary's got it. I got it, I saw it. Yeah, great. But I thought that anyone who got, I thought anyone who got bingo on that word won a prize. They should. I would have given out more prizes. So congratulations, Mary. I can't tell you, I'm still thrilled that you and Steven were neck and neck there because you guys were with us from six months ago when we had our very, very first one. And I appreciate, I appreciate all of you joining us. And I really appreciate Mary and Steven hanging in there with us for all this time. Okay, real quick then. Okay. What are we gonna show, Greg? Which one? So you're gonna share your screen because you're gonna add surnames to your profile. Okay, let me, let me go ahead and stop and start again. And I will bring this up just a little bit. Okay, so we're gonna do this surname generator. And this is what Megs showed on her. Time with us at bingo and put on our screen. And so many people love this. This has been around. This has been around for a long time and Greg created it and it's fabulous. And Laura, I do agree. We'll see what we can do. It was really new. Okay, so to go to the surname generator. And again, this is gonna be on your tree apps. I posted the link to Greg's apps as well. Just because we're short in time, I'm just gonna jump right on over into the screen itself. Excuse me, I forgot to show that particular one. I'm showing my screen and not my window. There we go. Okay, so here's our surname generator. I will bring it up again on Greg's tree apps. This automatically puts my profile. I wanna see surnames in my tree for six generations. And I'm gonna click this button. Seriously, I didn't have to type anything in. All I do is click. Nice, eh? Now, look at the top while you're waiting. Oh, you didn't have to wait very long. No, it went like that. Wait, did you notice there were little notes to you? Yeah. Just to buy the time while you're waiting so you wouldn't seem so long. And I do wanna point out that a couple things with this. Now this goes back. We're not saying they're DNA confirmed. We're not saying that they're even sourced. All these are sourced, but this is what WikiTree has. And I have to pause. I'm really a little bit shocked at this. I have to pause and thank you to the Germany project. They actually came in and cleaned up my German line for me about a week ago. Wow. And I have this because of them. Because of Flo and his research party that he had and the German line. Okay, so now there's a couple of different options I can do. I'm just gonna scroll down real quick though. These are my compact names that I have. And Joku said that this seems a little bit useless. And this may, especially if you have a lot of shared names, familiar names. And the reason why I can see this with mine being a little weird and silly is because of this particular name here, the Hamericks. If you are anywhere near Virginia and West Virginia, the Hamerick name is number one hands down. Probably the most popular name in the States. It is silly how many Hamericks I have in there. But it's important to me because it also will show in conjunction with the Gregorys. And you cannot have a Hamerick without a Gregory and you cannot have a Gregory without a Dodger. If you know your own ancestry, this is why the surname is so cool. So if I have somebody that's not really into genealogy as much, but they know that they have a Dodger in their name and they come to me outside of Wiki Tree or inside of Wiki Tree and they say, hey, Sandy, you have this on your page and you have a Dodger on your page. I will tell them and you instantly have a Gregory and a Hamerick. I know you do. And for me, it makes the search this big down to this to see how we connect. So for me, that's why I like the surname list is cousin bait. It's 100% cousin bait for me and you can have different things you can do with it. I also know is probably you guys do. You'll know instantly your paternal and your maternal line. But for me, I have a lot of same names that are on both lines. I actually have two cousins that are on Wiki Tree that we share lines from all four grandparents with my grandparents. So we can kind of look at this as well and see where we connect. I can make this bigger though, can I? Can I make this? So first of all, you can change it from black and white to four colors, like two colors of four colors and then that color codes by grandparent, which you said for you isn't going to be, may not be helpful. But you see you have two benets there. You've got a pink benet and a blue benet. I'm not surprised. And that would be my endogamy as well. And my endogamy, in the reason I think why my line is a little bit more compact than some others, is that endogamy. Right, yeah. So the other thing you can do with this is along with color coding it, you can sort it by, if you sort it by color then basically, it puts it in grandparent formation. And to me, this is so beneficial, especially for those that might be adopted and you don't know all your names and you're still looking for them. Or for those that do have the endogamy in your family line and you might not know all the names because there might be some missing DNA people that you're looking at. I can tell you for my own line, I was missing DNA for many years until they tested on Ancestry and this list got bigger. But also this is handy if you're like my husband, he will only research his paternal line. He will not research his maternal line because most people have already done it. So this is handy for him as well. Right, the other thing, if you wanna sort it by generation, that's then you can sort of see how the names go back in time or when they first introduced to your tree. And again, this is very interesting. If you look at my second generation, I only had one name for the longest time. And if you're adopted, that's probably gonna be the case. You might find one name, you might not find two names. A lot of times for adoptees, you can find sometimes the mother's name a lot quicker before you find the father's name. So there's a lot of ways that you can use this for research, it's cousin fate, it's ways that you can keep track of who you've found and who you haven't. It's also ways to try and bring in more people into your research. Yeah, and the last thing that you might wanna do is if you go to the extended view, then it shows not only the names, but it also gives you a link to the... Where's my extended view? Go up top, detailed view. Oh, there you go. Then you get the list, the link to the most distant ancestor. And this is also fabulous. I like seeing the list, I like seeing who they are. And I will tell you that I have used this particular view as well to check out my DNA confirmations. It's not as easy now that I know that I've got the fan chart, but I will sometimes come to this view to make sure that I've got... I'll click on each of these individuals and say, do I have the DNA confirmation on them as I work through? I also, a big tip, and I'm gonna tell you this is a big tip, especially as we head into the source or bingo later on, I will also use this as a roundabout way to look at my CC7 and connectathon. And if I have some empty branches here, to me, I like seeing the visual colors. I will click on a name that I pretty much know I need to add more to without going through the CC7 route and add it to my connectathon. I need to add this. Yeah, to answer Tabor's question, yes, you can start, you can start the surname generator on any profile. So that opening screen by default, it uses who you're logged in as as the opening, but you can type over top of that and change it to anyone else's. And now I'm thinking I need to use this, maybe somehow in my one place study, and maybe find the oldest person. Yeah, from the generation to just back to color by, if you scroll up and change, if you scroll up. So right now it's giving you a link to each of those ancestors, but if you change the sort by color, for example. Not sub sort or just. No, sort by color there. Then you only get a surname once and what it gives you is a link to their most from the earliest to the latest occurrence. So cut right, for example, right? The earliest cut right in your tree was in 1849. No, the most recent one is 1849. The earliest one was Sebastian cut right. At 1826. So a lot of times we're asked that too. Well, we're asked what is the most distant relation in that particular surname. One thing to be asked, what's your oldest ancestor? And that has its own complications, but a lot of times again, if you're researching a certain name, that's where the surname generator is just so handy. And you can find the oldest one that is currently on wiki tree. We're not saying it's oldest, oldest, but it shows us where we've got work to do. Yeah, I think personally, this is the one that gives the most information and I think is the most interesting. And again, I just want to say that we clicked on, look at the orange. We clicked on detailed four colors and then sort by color. But there's lots of different, there's lots of combination. And then at the very bottom is that magic button where you want to copy it, right? Yeah. And there's two of them. So the first one is the one that copies it to the wiki text. So that's what you'd put in your profile. But the one that came up in the bingo game, the copy HTML, you can use that if you want to copy it to just a regular webpage or a blog. Cause when I first created this, someone said, I want to put this on my blog cause they have a genealogy blog. So I added that for them too. And I think that's brilliant because a lot of us do have blogs or we're trying to research with other people that might have blogs listing the names. The Roots web kind of brings to mind how people start creating their own blogs off of Roots web and you might be able to just copy this HTML and give it to them as well. Maybe you don't have a blog, but other people that you work with have family blogs. And because you can copy the HTML and give it to them, you could take out certain sections that you want. That's a manual process off of this. This isn't part of this, but it's manual process off. But it's so easy. It's just deleted out. But it gives you a lot of ideas. And, you know, I just am fascinated by this because I, again, I know my lines like everybody else probably knows your lines and you probably know that if you have a certain name then you've got this other name that's going to connect to them. It makes your research easier. It makes helping somebody else easier. And in the long run, you have a connection that you didn't know about when you connect to them. Okay, I'm going to stop sharing my screen. We're going to do one quick bandooka. Okay. Oh, I was going to say, you should do your bandooka with your ear. I'm going to let you do it. Because I don't get it. Okay. Okay, bandooka. Okay, so it's in my tree apps. And Stephen, I can tell you, I usually have, especially if I'm watching Wiki Tree livecasts, I have like my tablet. I have my two screens going. So I do emphasize for those of you that watch our bingo and only have like a little cell phone because it is tough to watch us on YouTube and do the bingo call. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So do you want me to do my bingo? My bandooka? Okay. I like it because we share so much of US as well. So it's nice because we're going to see a Canadian side. Okay. So I'm going to actually choose. So the way it works is you, I've got random ancestors. And when I start the game, they'll populate with names and then I have to put them in the right spot. So I'm going to start like that. And I get one for free though. That's an option you can change if you want. So now I have to figure out where they go. So I know this is my mother. So I'm going to click on her and put her there. And that was my grandmother. So there's grandfather or father. Mark who he goes in there. So. And there's the dings. And there's the dings. Yeah. And if I get Herbert. Oh, look at that wrong one. No, I'm glad you showed that because then you can see what it looks like if you get it in the wrong position. Whoops. Sorry. And remember he said he did not program in any snarkiness. No, it's just, you know. It's all for fun. Anyone's here. But I'm going to end the game. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's play it again, but this time let's make it a little more tricky. We're going to go in true Fandoku style. So what that means, so what I was playing there, the fan chart was set up traditionally, right? Father, mother, father, mother, father, mother. But in Fandoku, just like in Sudoku, the numbers can be mixed up. You always use the numbers one to nine, but they're not always in the same order. They're somewhere there, but they're not necessarily in the same order. So in this case, now what I will do is I will add the gender color just to make it a little easier. And so we'll start with that. So you can see now, if I didn't have the colors and I would have to know, so I've got Annie Ella Little, I know that that's on my Scottish Irish side. So this has to be the paternal side. So I didn't really need that color hint to know that this is going to be where my birth father was. And he's Dwight, where's Dwight? Dwight, Dwight, Dwight. Why can't I see, oh, he's the one highlighted. Hello, McFly. And if you guys have children that are probably middle school, high school, this is kind of a fun way to get them involved in genealogy, but also knowing who their ancestors are. And you can throw in a little tip or hint or idea or story about each one. Yeah. Now, because I've got the color hinting, I know that Dwight's father would go in this blue square here and his mother would go here. But if I didn't have the color hinting, then I'd have to figure out, okay, so which ancestor is in between Annie Ella Little and Dwight Douglas? And I would know that it was his mother, which is overland. Where'd she go, Margaret? It's right there. And then her father is Caldwell. And then his, nope, long one. And is this the same I can start on Annie? But is it just you? Oh, you can start on anyone, whatever, up here. So if I put in your... Then you can start on anybody. So then if you really want to have fun, start on like your second grandmother or... Oh yes, exactly. If you're trying to learn that line up, the other thing I like doing, I just don't know my husband's lines as well, because he doesn't research his maternal line. I don't research his maternal line. His paternal line ends very quickly, because of brick walls. I played this with his lines and I failed miserably, but I learned. I ended up learning. Okay, I understand that. And I put a link down in the chat. So if you want to learn about anything that we have shown today and more, we knew that we were gonna run a little over. We knew we were not gonna get to everything, but if you, Greg has so many awesome and cool apps. And the one that I need to also throw a link up there because I was asked to by a friend, a wiki tree friend is ex-friends. We're not gonna have time to get into it. But if you had one or two sentences to talk about ex-friends, what would you say, Greg? Oh, the ex-friends app. The ex-friends app shows you all the ancestors who you've inherited the ex chromosome from. So I remember I highlighted that on the fan chart. So all those yellow squares, it will find all of those ancestors and then it will go down the opposite direction. So it goes up to the ancestors and then back down and shows you all of the cousins who have also inherited or could have inherited part of the ex chromosome from those ancestors. So basically those are all the cousins, your ex cousins. So if you do DNA matching, if you're trying to find other matches to the ex chromosome, those are the people you should check out. And I will tell you that the reason why this came up and I had to have a little light bulb moment over my head. There is a gentleman named James that has a one place study in Italy. And it was interesting. We were chatting back and forth on email and it was because of endogamy in Italy. And I go, wait, wait, wait, that's an Appalachian thing. That's not an Italy thing. No, it's not. That is an Italy thing too. It definitely is. No, I would definitely want to mention it. So if you do think you have endogamy in your family lines, the ex-friends app is kind of a best friend there to try to figure it out. It could help you out there. Okay. I think we've answered all the questions. I know Tabor mentioned that some of the links aren't working. We kind of know that. I threw that one, Greg. All of the tree apps one. I just put those in the last couple of minutes and I didn't have time to change the links from my, I copied and pasted my fan chart picture. Give them some time after the bingo. In half an hour, those will work, Tabor. I promise. And I really appreciate you guys hanging in here too with us because this is, this is fascinating. You guys see Greg so much around WikiTree. We see him in October, we see a Saturday day roundup, but I don't think you all knew how many cool apps that he has that we could be using to try and fix our research, help our research, help our one place studies or one name studies, get cousin faith. The DNA citation maker is just gold. This is gold. So it's nice to see a different side of you, Greg. Oh, thank you. Well, my pleasure. And I guess if we want to see it again, we got to be seeing place different time tomorrow. Yes, 10 o'clock on Saturday, which is tomorrow, isn't it? Yeah, I know this week went this week. I think the Spanish profile is the week, right? So I better start practicing my Spanish pronunciation. Yes, I'm glad that you're doing it. I will be watching and not making fun or corrections. I promise. I will be trying to see if Mags mentions a certain word, though, but we'll see. Oh, well, yeah, it's almost guaranteed. Well, thanks, Greg. And thanks, everybody, for joining us. Aywyn had to just step out for a quick bet, but we'll see everybody back with Rob later on today. If you are watching live, thank you for being here. If you were watching after we were live, we appreciate you as well. And don't forget, with Bingo, we work with all the projects, and including the apps. So I hope you learned everything that Greg showed today was a benefit. I know it was for me, and we'll see you later on. Bye, guys. See you later, bye.