 Select Board, it's June 21st, 2021, your meeting in the John Hogan meeting room. Call him the meeting tour. First item of business, though, is if we're meeting in the John Hogan meeting room, we need a plaque for the John Hogan meeting room. Oh, how about that? So I'd like to present this to John to put this up. You folks, with our engineering, John's been on the Select Board for over 30 years. So he's seen it all, heard it all, and done it. He's only 47 years old. He's a little pretty. Oh, sure. Yeah, he's probably going to be nice. And after Irene, our new town office, we dedicated this room to John. And now we'll have a nice plaque. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. So moving ahead, is there any public comments? So, Johnny, you're here. You're probably here to listen to the sidewalk presentation. All right. Any other? This is no one else here, so we'll go ahead and move forward. We have Callie and Ray, and as we can all see, Ray is not here. Ray will be here probably within 20 minutes or so. But Callie has agreed to go ahead and start the discussion on road closures seasonal and talk about the ATV ordinance. So go ahead, Callie. All right. The first thing was closing, seasonal closing for Lynch Hill Connected to Haringburg Road, and then kind of thinking about it and talking to some people around. I don't know how much sense it actually makes to close that road seasonally, because any way we close it, either a sign or a date is probably going to get destroyed. And that's from past experiences, what you're coming up with. Yeah, anything that's been up there. The road sign for Lynch Hill was maybe up 24, 48 hours when it got stolen. So I don't think people are just going to tear it down. Right. I have that same feeling. And it doesn't make sense to spend the money to put stuff up there and have it not. But what may be more effective is seeing if we can get either the constable or state police to maybe control a little bit more up there or even a game organ during that month where it's really bad and actually issue people tickets, because that may be someone goes up there and they get a ticket for tearing up land or making a mess, which is what they do. That's not necessarily going to be up there. So we may be able to contract with the state. The state needs more, but I think the game organ might be a good option as well. So maybe that's something Sasha, we can think about. In fact, maybe we should have the tenant come in and maybe we can ask them that question as well. Because it's really from March to the middle of the end of April. That is really bad. Okay, so there's more patrols around, so we got anything else? I think that's it. There will probably be a Friday or Saturday that would be the time when it would be most needed, because people aren't really up there during the week. And it's not the people who are going up to their camps, trailering in, which I think is why this started, because there were a couple of people who trailered in in the spring. They bring their ATV on a trailer. They bring their jeeps and their trucks in on a trailer. So these are unregistered vehicles. So that's maybe where the patrols can really, those roads you need to at least have a registered vehicle. Right. There's what it needs to be. So I think that would probably be a more effective way to handle it. Okay. Because then we're not worried about stuff getting taken down, spending money on it. Yeah. And it may be more. Good. All right. What else? So ATVs. So I had Sasha point out the ATV piece, and the main section of it starts on five, age five. And I didn't fill it in because some of this stuff was a question, because we can issue civil penalties if we want to for people not following the rules. So we would, in essence, set that. It's also, we can limit the time that ATVs can be on the road. So we can say you can't be off road from 10pm to 8am. And make that decision. Most of it is the same. The purpose is good. Section one, section two, all the definitions are there. Those are fine. And then, so the only thing that I was thinking for town highway is being opened right now for the state of Vermont. And ATV is going to be on a class three road. They have to cross on a 90 degree. And to get access to some of the class four roads where they can be on, people do have to be on a class three. So that is the question of opening class three roads, but open specifically for gaining access to a class four. So it wouldn't be like some of them could just drive down to the store. They would have to be going somewhere. Because I think outside of us or Lynch Hill, we're the only ones that don't have to access where we're going. Because that's a property line. And there are a lot of people who come up the road and do that. So the recommendation there would be some clear. What roads would you have designated as ATV or have you guys come to that point yet? Not really. I would say, in essence, you could be on a class three as long as you're going to a class four. So figuring out what roads those are that would connect. So that would be that if we wanted to put a time limit in, what would that time limit be? Tingle file racing. And if we want to allow people on public property or not. Because we can allow that or not allow that. I would suggest not allowing it to start with and see where it goes. And then we can issue penalties. So if you're not operating single file, if you're racing down the road, if you're outside of the hours and if you're on public property, what those fines would be. And I think that's kind of more, I think of a whole board discussion on what we want those to be going forward. And how do we enact this forward basically? It would be, so it's basically the same setup that we would for any other ordinance. We would have to warn it, have a special meeting. And then post it, people can come in within 44 days and appeal it. And then we have another meeting on that. And go from there. So it would be the same as any other ordinance we put in. So is that something that you would arraign that we want to go forward and try to figure this out? What roads to open or in what fines. Yeah. And I think it may be good to start with fines because it's easier to back off than add one. If you start heavy, it's easier to start taking someone that away or lowering them than it is to say, we have a problem now, we have to deal with it. And I know the one thing Ray and I had talked about was having, because VASA has some rules on who can operate and this falls in with VASA. But a lot of that is anyone who's under 12 has to have somebody with them who can be in control of the machine. So they would have to have a passenger. The only tricky thing with that is most ATVs have a sign on the seat that you can't have a passenger. And you have to be 60 to operate. So people do it, but... Right. Let's go over to them. We'll have to force them to figure out. I mean, I'm fine for 12, but yeah, it's right here. Stay well. All right. So it sounds like we have a little work to do on this. What we should do is have, how long do you think it would take for you, Ray, to come up with recommendations as far as what roads to hold it up? I would like to say something rather than later, but... How about our first meeting in August with that work? Or the last one in July, perhaps? Is that better? Yeah, we'll push it. Let's do the first one in July. Let's push it. We're going to push this. All right. The only, I'm not sure, but Frank, we're finally going to be the first meeting in July. And I'd like to be here for this. For the fines? Right. Not too much of the fines, but just a discussion, a little discussion on what's going to go on with this. You know, I can't figure out how to read this. Yeah. Take a little opportunity to get into this. Also, I'd like to see a little bit of, have we reached out to any other towns to see what they're doing with this? I can. Yeah. That would be good to know what they've done and what they're, how has it been going? You know, it's been a couple of years, and they're having lots of problems with it, or has, you know, typically what I've seen and read about those, most of them are pretty well self-policed by the groups themselves, because they don't want to lose the privilege. But if you could do a little research on that to let us know. And I'll see if I can get a hold of some of the groups, some towns that have full plus ring road access. I mean, you can ride. Yeah. No, I know some of them. I grew up, I heard them read about it there. And now they use them in cars. I think it's kingdom now. Yes. You know, like Brookfield has a bunch of, you know, trails up in there. Right. But I wasn't sure if you can see the sign, or the old and stuff in there. Rocksbury does too. Yeah, Rocksbury. And they try to link them to the businesses. There's things that are going on there. And that's where you may look at public lands. We have a fair amount of public land. So if you can check about the towns and see what their experience has been with that, that will be good as well. And we can tentatively, we'll see what everyone's scheduled and how you guys are doing. What would be the last meeting in July? Yeah, we'll try to get it as quick as that might work. That'll be better, because then we're not moving around for the July. That's what my answer is, I think. The fewer people that may participate in the public because of that. So if we can, so I should plan on that agenda. Whatever date that is in July, our second meeting would be good. Anything else, Callie, with that? I don't believe so. If you want to, John, do you have any questions? Don, anything? No. We didn't cover? No. No. Thank you. Basically. All right. So let's go ahead. Next agenda item is the Ron 100B Westside side project. This is preliminary design plans. And if you want to thank, it looks like we have a fair amount of people here for this. I just want to, before we introduce people, even the presentation, it's still a little bit about the projects, how it came about. So we're all up to date on that. And it really had started in 2009. There was a study that the Safe Roots to School Committee had done. And it was done by Green Tree. Going Green. And in that study, they were looking for pedestrian ways to school, the safest ways and traffic coming at the same time. And with that study, they recommended that we go back and complete their update, a study that was done in 1996, that was looking at aligning, looking at the sidewalks and where they would best go. Also, in that 2009 study, going green did one of the other recommendations, was the flashing lights that you see now that are up for the traffic calming. And the other thing they wanted in their study was to recommend that they completed or updated that 1996 study. And that's what Du Bois and King did in 2010. There was, I think, at least two different meetings in town looking for public feedback. And also, they had cards or other things that you could send in for their recommendation or their thoughts. And the purpose of the study was to see if it was an ability to calm the traffic and also have safe pedestrian facilities. So calming the traffic is not something that's new. The experience now has been certainly on the minds of people in town since certainly at least 1996, I'm sure, probably longer than that. And what the study did is it broke up the village into three different sections. We have the village, which is considered where we are now, lower village, which is from the mountain road north and then the legends, which would be from Hurdle Road south. And the feasibility was to see if it was feasible to do it and then cost associated with it. And the other thing was traffic calming. Those were the two purposes behind that study. We have this study if anyone wants to take a look at it. The recommendations, they came out with three recommendations for sidewalks, first being, or one being the east side, the west side, and then the sidewalk from approximately the town garage towards Diverson Road. They didn't think it was feasible because of the ditch in the corner to put one in there and cost associated with it. So those were the two pedestrian recommendations they had as far as pedestrian facilities. And then for traffic calming, they recommended the same thing, sidewalks with a curve. I think it was a six inch curve or nine inch curve. And that was the other recommendation for traffic calming. And then once that was done, you would be able to put in sidewalks, not sidewalks, crosswalks, because it is a state highway. You need to conform to their laws and rules. And you need sidewalks on either side. You need a certain number of cars per hour and a number of pedestrians. And that's all spelled out here. And I think those would be met. The study indicated that sidewalks were there. We could do additional studies to prove that those were there so we could put in sidewalks in additional lighting to help slow down traffic. And then with these recommendations, we went ahead. We did the sidewalks here on the east side. And then two years ago, a year or so ago, we had another grant for a little over half a million dollars, I think $515,000 to do sidewalks on the west side. These grants are non-transferable. I know Don, you had that question earlier. And there's, I think you've been involved, some of the grant processes, you know how difficult it is to get so they just don't allow you to change where you can do that. So we have, we went through the process of selecting a project engineer for the town. And through competitive bidding process, Du Bois and King was awarded that contract. And then the engineer was, again, through a competitive bidding process. There were three in each of those. We had STANTAC. So I will now stop talking and let Ken Roby from Du Bois and King take the floor. Sure, thank you. So I said, Ken Roby, Du Bois and King, I guess my technical term for my role in this project is the municipal project manager. So generally my job is to assist the town in administering the grant, going through the proper trans process of developing the project. And then trying and being a point person for the affected property owners that are there and coordinating with the town and the design firm, which then also will roll into coordination with the construction firm when we get to that point. So if you're, if everybody here is in the joining property owner, you've probably had a letter from me recently about this meeting. And that was kind of the opening of making that contact. So please anytime feel free to reach out to me. The lion's share of the work is done by Stantec and Eric Alling. Alling. Two out of three. Eric Alling is the project manager leading the design for that piece and he's going to give a presentation as far as where the project is. My first question is, can everybody see that or would it be helpful to demo lights? It would be helpful to demo lights. That's great. Okay, so my purpose tonight at the meeting is to review the conceptual plans which have, oh, is to review the conceptual plans that have been developed to this point and to allow for some feedback and some questions and comments about the project. On that note, I only have a few slides to get through so we could just save the question until the end. I can come back to that PDF showing the plans and we can look at any area that people want to see. So I will cover the project area, look at the project development process and I go over those plans and we'll have a discussion at that point and then we'll talk about what comes after tonight. So the project area, I'm pretty sure everybody is familiar with it and it's right out there. So we start at, it's a little small, but we start at the library on this end and you can see the red cloud stopping at the bridge and then picking up and ending at the town hall. So it was kind of alluded to that there's some federal funding involved in the project and these projects all go through the same process. So it has been scoped, so we're picking up on the design and things once a referral alternative has been selected. So we begin by developing the conceptual plans and documenting environmental conditions. We then develop the preliminary plans and coordinate with utilities and just so everybody knows for this project we're sort of right in between conceptual and preliminary. So we're pretty early in the design process. Once preliminary plans are accepted we go into the right-of-way phase which is what was talked about when we start meeting with the property owners and discussing the impacts and any mitigations that need to happen. Once right-of-way is clear we finalize the plans and put it out for bid and construction. So that referral alternative as was discussed was a five foot wide sidewalk with a granite curb. It minimized impacts to properties. And that seven inch high curb will be very similar to what's on the east side of the road now and that will provide at least a little bit of separation between sidewalk and roadway users. And the only major impact to utilities was one or two service poles which we'll show in the plans. And with that we can jump right in. So we'll start at the top end of the project. A few things to keep in mind as we go through this plan. The pink is the new sidewalk. Gray here in the drives and green here behind the sidewalk is the temporary construction impacts. Basically just what will be impacted during construction. We've got the state's right-of-way line shown in this red as well as individual property line shown in blue. One of our main goals was to save as many trees as possible and we kept it to a minimum what would need to be removed is just the ones that are simply too close to the sidewalk to survive construction. So those are sort of called out as we go through either protected or removed depending on which it is. And so beginning at the south end we are first kind of impact we see is to the mailboxes. There's three or four of them along there. They can't currently go behind the sidewalk because it's a driver's motor route. So we're going to work with the post office and figure out some options for those and we'll talk to the property owners who are impacted by those mailboxes being relocated. Heading further along you can see the entire sidewalk itself is within the state's right-of-way and the impacts onto properties are limited really just to making sure that the driveways are level enough to not catch a bumper as far as enter the driveway. But the sidewalk itself stays within right-of-way and then there are a few areas where there might be some slight slope impacts such as here that's just where you're going to have to activate to get the slope to meet the back of the sidewalk and return it to grass when they're done. Otherwise the impacts are relatively minor and mostly within the state's right-of-way. We do have a couple of landscaping features that are going to be impacted and will need to be relocated or removed and as we get to the bridge as I mentioned we're stopping this is going to be a future project to reconstruct that bridge along with the sidewalk and post office there's a little bit more landscaping in one of those utility folds that will need to be relocated ending up at town hall. So that's it from a design standpoint it's pretty straightforward but I'm sure there are some questions and I would love to take any of them right now or any other comments and please let me know if you have any comments. I have several comments and I also have several questions but I don't have to address them to you or to the board maybe they'll be a part of the life to ask the questions. You've made a reference to some stories that were done in 95 or 96 in 2010 where say any research that has done about the amount of use these sidewalks have has walked through town you know anything about that counting pedestrians not since that study in 2010 in the also the Safe Roots to School Committee does have that information as well. So that would be one of my first questions amount of usage but as far as you know the first slide has been done we were involved with the design only we were not involved in the scoping phase of this so that's one of my questions I would hope that in a project of this size we would spend the time to find out how necessary it is. Well again that's why several studies have indicated for traffic calming in pedestrian facilities those are needed so it's not something that we've just decided we'd like to have some sidewalks it was there was satisfactory studies that indicated we should go ahead with this. You well not recently ten years ago it's the first conflation I've heard between traffic calming and sidewalks the sidewalks being intended to calm traffic is that correct? Yes and are we sure that's a satisfactory system to calm traffic is effective, does the job or are there other ways to calm traffic? There are certainly other ways that it can be done but this was the recommended way for this area because of the size of the road without impacting the further property. I appreciate your answer Tom, I'm not trying to put it on the screen. No, no, it's fine, I'm trying to give you one. That's good. I have a concern about the need for the sidewalk if it's to calm traffic that's a separate need. If it's to give pedestrians access I would point out in Watesville there's several areas of one side of the pavement I know they're just on the west side right at the village but as you go through you'll see there's no pavement for example from north of the assurance on the east side and it's laid out so there's always a place to walk which there is here so I would question that I would question the cost even though we have a grant we have to contribute a certain amount towards the town's contributions around 80,000 80,000 on this west side project and on the east side project did we have to contribute as well? We did. And what's the cost kept within the bill or was there cost overruns? There was cost overruns and also we also included with the sidewalks we ended up including catch basins because we were going to be located underneath the sidewalks it didn't make sense to do the sidewalks and then later go back and rip them up to put the catch basins in and we needed to put the catch basins in because we often have rain like we just have and the school spilling up with water and so part of the mitigation part of the problem was the catch basins weren't big enough and it was backing up and that's why we would have problems in this parking lot in the school so in order to get that then we needed the catch basins so it's been one thing to kind of mitigate the problems in the future Once again I am concerned about the amount of usage this will get it seems a very expensive project to serve just a very few number of people I don't know if there's been a state county who's walked the school I'm sure I'm fortunate I've sprained my numbness for me You know the traffic lined up when it's time for school to get out traffic's backed up to my house a lot of times people waiting to get in I do know that when they went to put a county to pass a telephone they went on for a very long time to find a county passed up there and I calculated after 10 years it was still going to cost $6 every time a county walked to the underpass that's the numbers of cows that go through per day for a year not times 10 years I'm pretty sure that's very accurate I can see the same effect here we have a pedestrian walkway and every time a pedestrian walkway for the next 10 years it costs $5 each person who walks on it I want to be sure that we're doing this in a studied and measured fashion something that's necessary, something that's needed and something that Townsville can agree to I would hope that there will be an article on the next town meeting to discuss whether or not we should go ahead with a project that's going to impact every taxpayer in town so then for some of my concerns a major concern is about the loss of trees can you answer that the trees that exist is about 5 large trees that remain there used to be a lot more, you know that I know that and I find that the trees are a very attractive product in our townscape when you drive this rule and you walk into it and I'm concerned, what do you know about the big tree outside of the Strauss Street, for example I'm not sure I don't know if that shows I'm not sure the locus stays the locus stays, yeah it's right at the beginning of the project okay, it's right there there's two trees I believe the locus stays I believe them now we're moving different states the tree nearest the road is currently called the Vera Road moving further down by Piazza's property there's two trees there in front of this property yes, those would be impacted as well Vera Road I understand I've been seeing the plants that the locus is planted which is adjacent to the fence at the edge of this gate when these steps out in the building there's a stumped block that jumps out of that pipe I believe that would be done as well that's correct moving along, is this useful for your place? no, I have a big lot of work okay, then I'm not sure that the other ones I'm in reference to I never think you meant from a Sun's property which is by the town hall can I ask a question about what you mean? that's great alright, well again, thank you everyone appreciate you taking the time there's nothing else really on the agenda if that's the truth you're welcome to stay anyone thank you guys appreciate the time we'll be in touch with you okay, thank you much Ken, where are you back in the kingdom? do you live up there? yeah you're not interested to be there yeah Ken and I actually went to high school together oh really? yeah, he was in the smart club I'm still in the hall yeah he's one of the interested I probably lived up in the North Kingdom store we went on different road roads to get there so Ray, before you before you got here, Ray John, do you have a moment to show me your plaque? we were able to get Ray a plaque for the meeting room that you put up well deserved a lot for the town I'm very proud of that thank you one of the things I wanted to say, and we got kind of going quick before, is I just wanted to take a moment actually, just take a moment of silence for Eric who passed away he was with the DRP for several years he did a lot for the town so we just take a moment to do the above errors thanks folks for that one of those things we appreciate the time to do that we'll go ahead and move on in just a second I think this was a good meeting that we had tonight it was good participation we have a lot of questions to figure out and then we can make a decision whether this is a project we can go forward with it's something that's real controversial there will be a petition we can just put it in front of the voters which will probably be better anyways but so let's just make sure we decide we want to do it one way or another something we want to do we'll make sure we have the right purpose and reasons behind it either way we can make sure that people go on it in March if it is something we've decided to go ahead and move on it's been a long time I looked at the town plan but I'm pretty sure it's sidewalks we're part of the town plan I don't think it'll it's the town plan I think so and that's some of the other stakeholders I want to make sure everyone's involved in all the other committees studies are 10 years old there may be other things out there but let's make sure we have all the information of why we want to do it in the first place it's just not because they look nice there's a debate on that too so let's make sure it's the right thing how would we look into a potential sidewalk for the folks in Gallagher's acres farm farm fairground probably well I think the best thing there to do and I was thinking about that earlier today too is let's meet with Cheryl Lynn and there's certain requirements for all these grants like we needed a feasibility study to get these so is that where we start and it's probably that's what it will be it will be look for a grant for a feasibility study and they're out there all the time and we have a grant right now for study for this bridge over here the bridge by the song note and I think that's how it goes but we can also talk with just the grant people and figure out alright what we would like to do as well how would we get that process started who is it Pam DeAndrea might be the person to ask that and I think she would be able to give us an idea this is the process so figure out again feasibility why would we need it obviously get all those people down into the village of Waterbury safely so I think there's certainly a reasons to do it a purposes to do it but we just need to see if it would be feasible and in fact we can get money to do it but I think it's probably a good idea to look into as we're looking into this whole process that we're doing now with this sidewalk any other questions on this sidewalk tonight so we'll take our meeting notes and start working on those and see what other information we can get try to get together in August again and come back with information that we have try to move forward or not I don't think I want to continue to spend money on doing anything with it until we figure out whether we're going to do it or not and we will need to spend some money going forward with the engineering just to get where we need to be to see if it's feasible but I don't want to make this project last forever so we could make a decision cut bait or do it that's a problem we had on the other sidewalk it dragged down so long the money goes on $100,000 today $150,000 it was we had the catch bases but you had the time length and there were things that were just out of everyone's control they had studies that came out to flood it's a sidewalk that was crazy I mean that cost us a year just to see if about any more folks so now you think about we're doing the same thing do we have to have another study I wonder but I would think that we would detail that for us but those are the questions they took notes and they were taking notes so they'll have to come back with some answers as well and I personally don't know I don't want on it so whatever I think is best for the town overall would be where I would land anyways let's go ahead we've got reports and communications here Sasha what do you got I brought up the MOU that's in the file over there the personnel policy the only thing that had changed was the insurance for full-time people but I also added a page in there with the added a new federal holiday that if you guys want to okay it with that David Rousseau and Greg McGurney both of their terms of the DRV have expired they would both like to continue are you in motion for that alright well why don't we first go ahead and go backwards and I'll move both Dave Rousseau and Greg McGurney for their reappointment to the DRV John John Seconds it is there any discussion on the reappointment of those gentlemen alright so none all in favor vote aye alright so let them know reappointed and thank them I also have the DAO's call today just following up on their slight visit can you guys be able to do one before the meeting when was our next meeting July 6th I think because that Monday maybe the actual option I need to check my schedule to see if I'm going to be around for that meeting in which we do that so I think we missed that as well yes yeah probably the second meeting there in July she they're going to be gone on the last two weeks of July is there a delay maybe three of you going together or will you send another time just yeah maybe we can um I'd rather go with what was it group yeah so we're looking at the same thing if there are any questions asked or concerns that are there just hold that let me you know and I don't know what anyone else has holiday plans or schedules let me let us know but if we'll figure something out we'll get that as soon as possible and I'll let everyone else and again it comes that I can't go I can't go that's no big deal but the especially the land things it's usually good for everyone to be there because it won't be coming back it's not a one-time deal we'll be talking about that for a while what are the dates for the meeting in July I don't know the calendar since the first Tuesday the 6th and the 19th right it may be actually the 6th meeting better for me so we'll get a site visit right you and Callie have a few things you're working on you don't know yet I see there but she it's important this is personally there's a lot of users up there most of them are good people that we feel that way so what you guys are going to be looking at is looking at roads to include by ATD ordinance to allow in that way something like that it becomes easier for law enforcement to enforce the laws that they have and also my experience in seeing what other counts have done that I've read about is that there's a lot of self-enforcement because the people that even at all times really want to keep it so they do a good job and a lot of them are connected to VASA which is the same thing as VASC but just for sportsmen just for ATVs and side by sides and so they have a lot of functioning trails which is all the time in mortgage which we don't have the other thing that Sasha had was the MOU so the change there that we have is just from 10,000 to 12,000 we increase the short-term maintenance expenditure with the hardwood union and the other thing Ray and I know I think and the I'll have to send it tonight I guess I will not just send it before I go after it so when I go on the night I will send it to you and what I'm talking about that's the estimate for the site for the rest of the parking lot that we were looking to get 50% from basically it takes out the drainage work that they're doing from the original estimate and the other action item that we had it was just the insurance Sasha if you want to go over that change so everyone is clear of why and what it is it's just the numbers for the insurance just to reflect what everybody gets paid for their benefit all right how much did it go up or what was the change it was different from last year I know the premium has gone up yeah well I know the premium has gone up but also I think we should specify the 33981 for example that's every two weeks right that's not down here and then the other thing is I think it would be the town pays 33981 for each employee regardless of whether so I think it's better to say that per room I would say town pays 33981 per employee for the employee for the employee rather than for the single plan and then pays to specify additional for any dependence for that dependence now that would be for a two person plan we don't have a family plan so I don't know whether we should have something in there for that or just if we get a family change I feel like we should have it in there yeah that's how I feel I said that we're not scrambling we're being what a family plan is and also I'd like to sit in I don't know how about the top of my head just so we on the record what the difference was from the previous year now that's because we switched plans we're not on the one that was a couple years ago they changed it because we got a different rate because we switched them two years last year yeah so the other town personnel policy changed something that needs to be addressed just recently Juneteenth was made a national holiday I expect that the state will go forth and put it in their schedule so I think that we should add it as we're going forward it will be a recognized holiday in the town that will be in the when we get the premium settle but unless anyone has any questions about that or reasons right, you all good with that yeah I'm sorry Kelly John, I'll do it yeah is that going to be like on Monday or is it going to be the same day Juneteenth yeah so it's probably going to be just like before right, it will be weekend it doesn't flow and it's Juneteenth because and I hope my history is right that was the day the union troops two years after the proclamation let slaves know the galvesty and taxes that they were free so that's the significance of that was that we were never taught that yeah well yeah it was even more important there was a what's the big the town that they burned down Tulsa did you ever hear about Tulsa there's a really really but on the history channel we'll look that up and it's on the Tulsa and it was on like Sunday like three weeks ago it was really really good it was actually on two different networks I think it was on ATC I saw it on the History Network I'm pretty sure it was on the History Network on Tulsa yeah no it totally is and it yeah I have it on whatever that thing is that we do yeah it's not taped but whatever I record it DVD yeah so that would be something if you had an afternoon to watch it's informative and it's pretty sad actually yeah we'll have to move ahead in addition we have last time we were together we had asked to get a letter of agreement between the town and Jeff the do so we have that here and that's agreement to have six yards of materials living to a legal trail six annually until the town is able to have the legal trails to create defined thus designated location of the trails actually I know the wording with Jeff as well good alright so we'll sign up on that as well Sasha was that all I had I think so we can print off budget statuses so that you guys can go ahead or hemorrhage or not so okay thank you so let's go ahead Ray what do you have any reports of communications I think that was it just that I'm sorry I didn't know if you wanted Jeff to sign first and then bring it back to board and have us sign no I think we can go ahead one is you don't change it on the way there a little addendum to the bottom wait a second plus 12 yards and paving alright so let's go right around the table John okay Don and I had a good meeting with Joyce Manchester this morning and so she's looking to a couple of items for us the biggest one would be hopefully they've had a couple more of the flashing signs alright one up by Maynards and then one on the other side of the bridge at the other end of town they can add two great they won't and maybe move these I mean that those will put in and begin with this safe routes to school and so on so that's that's a start anyway and then we discussed other different items including crosswalks and that's good to know about the curves yeah I read that I didn't know that until today yeah good what you can't do a crosswalk with the curves on the other side and you have to write something and that was that and kind of interesting my son Jeff was the general contractor actually the Hunt's house he's been noticing a lot of things in town one of the things he noticed was we don't have a sign on the fire station the den of fire sport nits really? there's one over there does it say one town fire sport or anything I don't know but what it does is pretty cool because I went by it and I looked and I said no you're right there's one so maybe we have a pretend garage say they had one I can ask that I'm pretty sure it used to be one yeah I really thought I really thought that we did I thought we saved one off the old one yeah that's not a good one maybe I should check and see what he has to say and he has excuse me he has been noticing speed limits in town and says for the most part people do stick to the speed limit it's just that 30 miles an hour is fast yeah that's the issue you can move to 20 or something and then you might get 30 and when a truck goes through it seems even faster at 30 so you can't do those can't do those we can't lower it to 25 unless we take over that section of highway so what about putting islands in the middle to kind of slow this thing down a little bit I think that's what they did in Danville yeah Danville takes Danville takes pretty sure Danville took over that section of the island that's what I was just going through there it hasn't held up for a while is that right? yeah where the catch basins are it's only a couple years old yeah that's five places they spent a lot of money on coming both sides of the island and you come in on the west side there is like you said John there's something that slows you down that you have to go through there's a middle curve or something but I don't think there's enough room because that's what they talked about in that study where we just moved it back without impacting more people's property you couldn't do something like that the other thing is maybe we just had an enforcement I think it's going to bring that up too I think it's time to do that again so it's actually possible what we'll do again is through our schedules but let's get the lieutenant from the state police to come in in the past they've offered I mean they do and in fact Waterbury they're contracted cops or policemen contracting Waterbury now from the state police in the past we had the sheriff's department and I lost confidence in them at the Irene I mean we had contracts with them we asked them for extra help they weren't helping we pushed a little bit and they said to be frankly a real prick and remember he gave your daughter a ticket or something in the window he gave one of our residents a ticket she had a brand new car and had an inspection and this is the second day of the flood and it's chaos because we pushed and wanted some law enforcement they decided this is the sheriff they were going to be jerks to us we had 15 days to get an inspection if you buy it out she bought it out of New York so it wasn't a problem getting those taken care of it was being a jerk we needed some help and then we subsequently asked them for reports we were getting billed I wanted to see where they were and what they were doing and after six months they couldn't give them and it's bold because my brother was a county sheriff in the Orleans County and he says any town that wanted to report he just hits a button and spits out here's where we were, these are the hours and this is what we did and they wouldn't work we had very little faith in our sheriff's department around here I don't know what was changed so long story let's get the state cops and maybe we can figure it out to get them into town and ask them to be again the sheriff would not even allow us to say we would like you to sit here over there when you're paying the bill you should be able to at least have a little insight into what they're doing what about the trailable speed limit flashing light things I wonder if we should look into those or maybe buy those and if you're going more than the designated speed the light flashes it makes people realize you are coming through a village maybe something like that I don't know the cost but I think we looked into those at one time and I think the recommendation was to check with the state police that they have some of those and really put them out of places and it's just kind of being a squeaky wheel and saying we need it and finally getting it you mean the ones that are on that trailer yeah they've said that we can do that those are temporary but as a matter of fact I do remember them saying that it was a different location and we would have it I just think at the time I think that was something right around the pandemic I mean we have speed don'ts but we haven't all over the place so if we had these lights we could just bring around spend a couple of days here and there just make people more aware that we are yeah traffic control they do say lend them out but it might be if we had one I would I drive a lot in the road and I really try to progress on the speed limit because I need my license to work but sometimes you do find yourself going into these situations and if you know and you're just not made aware I need to pay better attention but it really does help those watching I think that's a good idea to have one on either end of town I know I saw Joey's last Thursday and I mentioned the same thing to her if we could get some the other maintenance area so I think we do that we get some law enforcement in here to perhaps whether it's a temporary basis or wherever we figure out to try to help if you're some people when are the big trucks coming through is it Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday just any times I see it too and that's other things to talk to our legislators they've got to do a better job maintaining when are they this is not a primary real like 100 I believe we had Adam that's what it is we have trucks going to Rutland that's not even going to the valley I mean come on they should maintain these roads better so the rumor is they closed a district here District 7 they are going to now reopen that district they're going to have their own office in Middlesex right now we're dealing with Colchester they're going to reopen this district office down here in Middlesex and so I think that will give us a better control of all our state people if there's a local form that you could call and talk to down there that knows I've talked Colchester there's enough people down there but they don't know what you're talking about or what you can't say can you get something to come and clean this up and we're right on the edge between the two districts like the last child no one wants us well two of the couple of things is one that I mentioned to John this morning is that maybe we could help initiate a sort of a valley-wide with other towns and that is to maybe approach at least some of all the local businesses like Criscellar Kingsbury the company you work all these different companies I'm sure the owners or the head of these companies don't want to have their names on their trucks being seen driving through speeding going too fast to not only our town and all these other towns or even on a group 100B and I just wonder if there's some way to stop that initiative to reach out to companies to like hey can you have safety programs can you work out reach out to your employees and say hey we want you to get to the job we want you to get to the job safely but we don't need you to speed to get to the job because I see that a lot companies they're people speed you know maybe that's a one outreach that could be something that we could I don't know how to initiate that but might be something to think about the other thing is when you were just talking about the district there is that about two or three weeks ago I reached out to a woman who was the project manager here Jennifer Zorn and left her message because there's some sections of 100B here in the curves that are already starting to crumble past hour of one town sign coming south there's already some pavement breaking up oh really is there just after you go by Stephanie Bennett and that first corner if they don't do something soon that's going to start to crumble when the car went but even before the truck went off there there's already been erosion to the bank work not the bank but the road bank and if they don't do something out of soon that whole corner you know what it was like before they repaid it was terrible and he told me the gentleman I spoke to at first said oh yeah then he said oh yeah well you know in the middle because it's not a warranty because it's had federal money so height is not it's not even a year I've always been told I mean I know we've gone back to jobs within a year I know state jobs we've always we've always done that and I don't understand it what we're up and if they don't do something about it it's going to just it's going to just crumble and we're going to be back it will be years before it ever gets fixed again we're going to have a little rough road alright so who did you try to contact Jeff? no I left through a message asking who I could call could you reach out to Pike or something who's responsible I just want to let you know that the road because I knew she was the PM and who could you pass it along because I was noticing it no I think that's good but I'm just trying to figure out right is there anyone else that you know well of course we dealt with we dealt with it all the time we dealt with it on the sidewalk and the whole thing we dealt with it on the sidewalk we dealt with it on the sidewalk we dealt with it on the sidewalk we dealt with it on the sidewalk we dealt with it on the sidewalk but they'd still be dealing with it on the other side of the road which I maintained was a Pike problem where we had to puddle down the town hall the first town passed that so why don't we Sasha you can look into it with Cheryl Lynn or Ray you can go back and notes but then Ray why don't you handle this but even if we're going into that there were new railings they put in one right across from me that they smacked with a snow plow and it was a snow plow and it's just no one's touching it and again it's too bad brand new stuff and it just you see where you went into it because it started again so yeah I shouldn't really point on the years before any of this touched again I can't believe there's not a warranty though that's why I'm sort of reaching out because like I didn't want to you know I saw Ray and I was just going oh this is crazy no one knows about this you know unfortunately with that whole project and it's a nice looking project and I appreciate kind of what they're doing and they're doing the same thing out in front of Du Bois on Route 2 and it's not the best construction they're not tearing up or grinding what's there so I anticipate this road and the road that they're doing right now in Route 2 especially the Route 2 because the drive paths were really bad there and they're not doing any reconstruction of it you're putting a thin layer of asphalt on it that you're seeing that's already deteriorating and I mean it's spending at this point you know it's good money it's just not well spent so if you can get this guy's attention and not do something so we can I think it's probably probably not going to go anywhere but at least we should let people know and alright John that's all I have Don when you have something okay well I did reach out to I think his name was Ryan from Dream Mountain Power we had that email but then I also followed up and called him on school and they're very willing to work with the town I mean he even suggested that maybe that there could be some way of working with the town on Dream Mountain Power his taxes he didn't buy the thing that we sold for 300 we'll give him four like that so they are willing to work with the town but they do realize they have a pretty unique piece of property there between the barn and the old school house in between the barn and the old school house apparently this is a beautiful brook ledger it's all that and I mean they have sort of identified where a septic could go in where they could do a well so I mean it seems like it would be a great project but I just don't know you know if we as a town that could be something that we really would take on because it's certainly going to be costly to go in there you know put a septic in put a well in you know renovate the building renovate the barn we're not going to go into we're not going into real estate and if it was sold it's going to become a taxable property there you go exactly exactly and someone could go in there and do as I talked with this guy some very clever stuff I mean the barn it's right it's right near the kayak access good sports company renting canoes and kayaks and anyways I mean I said I'd call them back and I'd come to the board and just give you a report that they would like they'd be happy to work with the town but as Ray said it just might be more than we could really would take should take on could or should yeah I think if it can be developed and when I saw his email there and so they were looking for septic and there's things like that my concern is I just want the property to go to just sit there and rock you know the following itself and then we have an eyesore and you know it's doing nothing but it sounds like there may be opportunity for them to sell and someone to develop it the only this would be a crazy thing but that money that is that we get the recovery funds one of the things they talk about is affordable housing so the other thought I had is alright so we get that on the cheap from Green Mountain how we have a certain amount we develop a separate again we have a couple hundred thousand dollars there make the affordable housing you sell that take your money do it again so it's the possible way for the town to accomplish a few goals more people in town affordable housing it wouldn't be in our interest to make huge profits on something like that and it may be something where we don't even we're not in the real estate here but just who knows is that an opportunity to accomplish some of the goals that we're trying to do here because and I'll report on that right now quickly the recovery funds that we have so it's a little different than what Chuck's folks came to us with currently more town is estimated to receive 174,305 11 cents in total funds and they could be distributed in two equal payments 50% each time a couple months apart the first 50% was you needed to actually request that and the data has since passed we requested that money otherwise if you didn't it went to the state and you might be able to get some you may not this way you're getting your money so it's coming it's going in its own separate fund so it will be represented so we can see what it is the other part with this Chuck was looking at $600,000 we thought we were going to get how those, if you've read about it I'll have someone send the link out so everyone can read it will be much easier if we all are familiar with it and how it works I didn't mention that last time rather than me trying to explain to everyone we can't do that, yes you can do that everyone takes a moment and goes through so the other thing is how it was in Congress it was allocated funds that were to go to the state the towns and the counties so that's a lot of states have county governments the bigger states or the smaller states I don't know but a lot of towns have county governments so those funds would go to the county because the state of Vermont does not have county governments there's still a question how that money gets dispersed so our congressional delegation is working with other congressional delegations from other states that have the same issue so it is on everyone's radar and they're trying to figure out how that county money gets distributed so that $175,000 $74,000 should go up that is being looked at but at the minimum we have $174,000 at this point and we talked about that can be used for there's a lot of our fair amount of strings on as you can imagine that type of money that you have to go through to make sure that it's being spent properly but I think we can probably do a lot of different things with it but we won't make those decisions and we'll find out what would be the best work for the town they're trying to move ahead but it's pretty pretty quick but we'll find again I think go back with them and say there is an interest here just to take those what would you actually do and if it is tax relief that might be something sure he may go to his people so he doesn't know I think we're open to everything he was just excited about oh great he just wants to see something done the barn has three stories supposed to be there could be a couple apartments that's how one of the thoughts he had I don't know about the school house maybe it could just make that I don't know so kind of I think we should let know there is some interest we've talked about affordable housing there but let's find out what their details are we can okay then I did look into I did talk to the town administrator in Watesfield they have a system called meeting owl and as far as if you want to allow people to still join meetings remotely and what it is is a camera, it's a microphone a speaker and so it follows the water around and then also up to ten feet in the room so maybe we usually have a table over there and any of that and then you would have speakers basically one laptop where people would actually have a laptop that people would zoom into and then we would maybe just have one on the table so we could see who was talking but we would really we would be on this meeting owl and so the system they got this with recovery funds and it was a thousand dollars and that's what I found out I mean we can decide certainly no COVID has changed how we all operate now and how we all meet and whether that's something we want to still get out of the road that people can come to be involved at meetings and they're doing it and quite successful when do they have their meetings do you know I don't know maybe we could call we could check it out well that's what I was thinking either someone go or someone just you know hop on and see what you think I think it would be to get from the consumer angle from it and say alright does this work or not or is it you know I can't hear I can't see it doesn't make sense and can we just you know see how it works it's all public so we can just you know we can sit in and do what we want if you were sitting in you'd just be on you'd be doing just like you were on zoom right but it wouldn't be like how we were the other day you know like yeah this thing kind of moves around reporting back on that yeah I think that's good I I really like I think when we start doing that we start taking away from the community and people coming to our meetings and seeing real people here making real decisions we start doing it on the computer it becomes very impersonal you know and I I don't know I just I would rather see people come in here just like it was before if you want to talk to us like or come to a meeting if you don't have any cocktails rather than just go on a computer right I think it allows people who really not a lot to do I guess and just you could tune it in and listen and see if there's anything of interest which is kind of nice I mean it's nice to have that but like I said it would be nice to get those people to come to the meeting and participate well she did say that people are still coming to meetings but it hasn't enabled like you're saying some people just want to tune in or just here they get a copy of the agenda or whatever and they just tune in to a certain part of it yeah well let's when you get some information on their next meeting is it how we could observe it somehow or it has done the same system as well let me ask our TV person here have you experienced any of that um new audio visual as people have gotten back to live meetings people still doing a hybrid or what are you what's your doing zoom meetings once the legislature yeah once they own everything well yeah we had to I mean there you had to provide a live meeting there's no choice that was the law at this point but yeah I think it's something to continue looking into and see if it's something we want to pursue Sasha do you mind knocking the light on here or is this down? I don't remember being this direct getting late or where thanks wake up everybody alright John go ahead I've been working with efficiency Vermont so we did the town hall we're going to try to do a walkthrough of the town of the riot on Thursday and then I guess step on can be about his mark was grading all this week or something and then we'll be coordinating step on when they can do a walkthrough with the fire station I don't think we really need to do one here we want an energy right they come in and start picking out stuff I think I'm pretty sure I floated around the email that the recommendations that they made from the town hall in terms of some lighting you know I don't know well I mean it'll all be sort of neat there's a whole so many other things that we're looking at there that we took this information and went okay but I would go back and check I thought I did but I'll send it along so that's an update on that and the only other thing I brought up in last meeting and maybe we could just put it as an old business item is that you know maybe how we can work on engaging more people in our town government you know Ray is saying you know it's great that people come to our meetings but also how we might down the road get other people to be even on the select board you know I don't know if the CET has any way that they do have any programs on that or how they can do any outreach into your communities just how we can get some changing in their guard I think one of the most easiest way probably to really do something Don is go out in the community and talk to someone and say look you know I'm on the select board I don't want to be on here but I would like someone to take my place so maybe this in the next by our next meeting you could come back and say I've found my replacement I've found some diversity I was looking for I'm not sure what you're looking for I'm going to bring them to the meeting you can resign and then we'll put them in I'm not suggesting that I'm just trying to think about how we can just do some outreach for just looking into the future I think that's how you do is you find someone with some interest but I'm thinking that as a board how do we do that we're just I don't I think one thing if we never had anybody run and we had open slots we haven't had that in several years well your slot that's because you can get more of a lot of things because I wasn't sure if I was going to run that's the only thing but what we really need is people to do the other positions you know auditors that's where we really need other people and that's how you get your start I mean I started in the planning commission I was asked to run for selection one step at a time I would say I definitely need the other positions to be built even then there are organizations like that to push women to get into politics and they have a bunch of training programs and not just like state government but local government and some of those smaller positions too so yeah and there they work great for stuff like that they have classes so people and it's not getting in but it's you know how to run what are things looking so how do they promote themselves I know their own Facebook is this a state agency yeah it's connected to a national a bigger national organization but they do and stuff like smaller positions like getting into being an author getting into the planning commission maybe that's something it was Val and Kuhnen started from what 10 years ago Molly Grave was actually in one of the classes I mean there were classes well maybe you could reach out so Don that's an answer to your question right there I'm sorry you want me to resign no I didn't no you're the one that's asked me to resign a couple times I think I just don't know what else to do I mean you know there's an idea you know the problem is we're so damn good nobody feels they need to come in and replace us that's what the bottom line is if people are not satisfied with us like Ford they would come in get on the ballot and try to get elected or they don't know what it entails either maybe not it used to be that way we did have a competition many years ago there were there have been people sitting here and we were rooting things like that they micromanaged us wanted to see everything we were doing we don't have that anymore because people are satisfied so as I always say if it ain't broke don't fix it so I mean change is good there are better places I think to focus and that would be starting with some of the others look at the ballot it's blank all these things are blank well everybody's around that's where we need people and a lot of people aren't even aware of all these different things or the time that it takes or aside from the select board actually you can get compensated fairly well for the things that you do here as an auditor, as a listener, all those so maybe we should look at that too so actually that triggered something in my mind in Burlington at the Burlington City Council so they have this very same thing we were talking about Don more people involved in here and one of the things that they've decided to do when they're putting on a ballot is they're going to pay a lot more because I mean as we sit around this table I mean I know that if I'm fortunate I'm in a position that I'm on the road a lot I make my hours I kind of do my thing I can do this it takes a tremendous amount of time as you all know I spend how often do I we talk three or four times a day where there's something there's just always little things no one even around you can really notice but you don't mind I can do it I'm on the road I have the time someone's work and I look around how many days in a year do you take off for your town duties again you're retired so I'm not asking you when you're retired I guess you and I I guess you and I are only working steps here I've only got another 32 years come on thank god I'm not that long but anyways I mean it's at least I've got to say three four sometimes even more I'm liberal with it because I've got a lot of time to work with a company and it for a long time so I've built up time so if you're working you know a regular job you get two weeks or five days or something you can't afford to take your vacation time to spend it to do a trail look at a trail to meet with this person or that person so how can you change that and is it alright now this position pays $10,000 $5,000 now does it make it so that that person that's you know working that it can make sense for them or the person so I mean it's all different and I'm not suggesting that we get paid $10,000 but I'm just saying those are the things that other communities are grappling with trying to get more participation and same problem here maybe a little different decimal or whatever and different things like that so it's not unique to Moretown as far as not having a lot of people come out for our boards or committees I think we're very lucky that we get the quality of people that we actually get absolutely because I mean we all know here the five of us run a million business here believe it or not a million dollar business or even more and so it's a lot of responsibility so you want to make sure that the people are sitting around here want to make sure that they're bested in the best interest and not with a lot of different agenda items on their own because they can you know you've seen that John your boards where they did nothing done and you know then your townspeople that's when you start making people wonder what you guys are doing so you know I would be smart or not really you know you need to actually go out and find someone to take your place really and I say that and for other communities I would ask Cali if you could look into this and Lauri emerge if you can look into that a little bit and find out what type of outreach that they do in the communities maybe that's something we can have and we can do some type of I think they do a lot of work with the LCT yeah alright so maybe that's how we can figure that you know get into that yeah so so I think that might be a start to get some ideas of what are their blood or none here but just let's call it let's put it on the where we call it damn old business pending community engagement why don't we call it that and I'm not saying like for tomorrow two years a year from now just so we can so that when people are ready to move on or not at least there's some kind of triple A to get people ready at least so that you can right so you can be confident that I think we do the best I'm sure there's other people that can do a lot better but I want to be able to get out of the seat if someone came to me tomorrow and said I have the passion for it I have the experience I have fine I would love to have someone like that but I haven't had anyone ever come up to me like that and express that type of interest or want you know that's the problem I have one last item you were going to maybe talk to Martin about the I sent you that soil report from Mike Brown I noticed they cut all around the trees I did talk to him and he said you know whatever you want to do he's going to maybe I can get the tree warden down there and we can look at it the soil report see what we can see it just needs somebody out there directing them on how to do everything they'll do it they're not landscape workers they're very capable of doing whatever needs to be done we got the wood chips right there mix the soil whatever they can mix the soil they just need to know how to mix it perfect great just plan a time if you can make sure you just coordinate with Martin it's a priorities I know this is cruelly I would say give them a week yeah yeah okay thank you yeah nothing I did try to agree with someone though a couple weeks ago how did they go? they seemed into it but we don't know that's good you never know you never know but so the other question I had is when we had John maybe you can help us here the presentation last week one of the things that they asked us to look at or revisit was an agreement with she did she did about a week later which was last week then I was crazy to get back to her but the question came up to me is I guess we had addressed this as a board sometime in March they had asked that so I'm wondering what was the impetus of that do they realize or do you understand it's a town library as it is it's a town library so I just don't understand why there's a need for an MOU we have an MOU with our school because that's not a town entity and it's something we need an agreement but it's a library it's a town library and as a board we support that library I don't know and I'll get back to Jennifer I just don't understand what do you know what they were looking for I think they just want to have from what I haven't been able to trust these and I've only talked to the court you know sometimes in the meetings with the court as a library I think they just feel like going forward as we see what we're going to do with the town hall and if they're going to be one of the major partners that they have some agreement to be there that we don't call down this road of getting it organized and having a building that's going to be a community center with a library in there that they have some kind of understanding there's some kind of understanding about there they're not just like a tenant I think that's well I think as we move forward with figuring out what we're going to do with the town hall that's when we'll be able to figure out if we need agreements or want agreements but at this point I mean they're welcome to stay there and use it as a library I mean I don't think there's anyone in here that has any I think we just want to see where we can go with it but they shouldn't feel and I'll talk to Jennifer about it that is and if there's things that they feel they want or do differently or they need they just need to come to us as a town I just don't and they may have reasons that were not told to us prior or last time why they feel they need some type of if they come up with something that and I'll bring back whatever she said but but that will be the question I'm asking is just really why because we can certainly we can certainly we voted on it three or four years ago to confirm that it is a town library there was questions there and then Michelle did all that work and I found it was a weakness we confirmed it's a town library well our next town meeting is Wednesday alright well I'll talk to Jennifer for tomorrow I'll be on the phone we won't be, we're not this is just a town hall meeting it's not Jennifer has a trustee those hope that I hope you guys are moving forward with that we haven't had a meeting since the meeting we had right I think that will be it will be good to do that where do you have those now I don't know the town hall Wednesday to Friday yeah I sent that just after a while alright so that's all I know you know I know I have full business you've got two falls and you have any emails coming on that I get it delete delete delete that's the biggest thing you gotta know how to do right there which ones to save and not alright so let's move forward we're getting late here tonight old business next proof that we accept the minutes of 6, 7, 21 any changes or comments on those minutes none alright on paper go die thank you everyone alright now going to old business is there anything I think we'll have to discuss I think we've gone over a lot of our own business things already this evening Josh do we have anything else that needs to be so I asked I thought he was working with Martin four or five months ago right I haven't anything yeah I just figured things were coming into place yeah I sent him an email he was waiting you think he's waiting for the road crew that's when we went to when we came up with the codes right yes we went to the code then and I thought I think the ball is down there but they probably think it's on lower so just this communication do you want to address that anything else anything else on the the survey yeah the there was a server basically this was kind of odd when I looked at it on the mark last year he had shown me that it was the be the easterly pen that he thought was missing but when they met with the landlord it was more of the westerly pen that he thought was missing and that's the pen that they found with the magnetic locator and so Martin and the landlord were not in agreement which pen was missing but I know it sounds weird but the pen never was taken out the bottom line is the landlord thought the pen would have been taken out but the pen never did get taken out it's there it's always been there and the other pen that Martin thought was there that he took out never was there but they put a great take in where the probable location is and the landlord was going to have his own survey done anyways so I have not heard anything more when they were out the last Wednesday I finished up this thing I haven't seen the bill I'm sure it's going to be less than what they called it because it wasn't clearly much work is what they thought it was just kind of odd I thought again I thought they were looking at one pen and I would have looked at Martin and it turned out to be someplace else and I haven't I haven't talked to Martin since then but they have talked to the landlord that's the Dean and Dean at one time was not that happy but I think he's okay yeah well I was calling the emails I just wanted to make sure that yeah no I was about that up but there is a survey report maybe it's in my email and I haven't really read it I don't know everything they did and how they got to where if you know if we get the lawnmower back you might ask me I don't know when I talked to Martin I thought he was getting it he said to repair yeah I just cares if we got it okay just make sure we're getting that back because I have an old business that moved what's that called how about some new business yeah I'm not sure if this is new business but when we were talking about the grandma's bridge I kind of be interested to look into what the extra expense would be to take a look at a carpet bridge no oh I'm sorry not the town hall that goes across oh okay the one that goes down by a divorce yes yeah yeah well we do see an old pictures um Sherilyn shared with me that we have we see ran out for the study of that so that's something we can ask them to look into I thought you were going to say ask about buying the property on the other side of the road throwing up the bridge because that's kind of like the park yeah the same thing I got confused when they were talking about this bridge grandma's bridge that's how we call that that's because that was the yeah because that's what the grandma's was and so this bridge other bridge here is screaming bridge what's this bridge here a dock okay is there anything else folks I think we've hit everything that we need to tonight we have a few things to sign we have this agreement here we have a few curb cuts looks like Carl Wimble's going to curb up there Martin's okay with it so that's good and then if we can just go over these few bills here they've not gotten a lot more you peeped on some of the arm down there now that you said it what are we supposed to sign this or just yeah you can go ahead Ray you can sign off on this goes to that one for your information I did not want the fishing derby you didn't we fished higher did you have a good time who are you with my younger son Brad my daughter nice sorry I used the personal policy we're not signing yet we'll change there I have the MOU which I've signed and they're getting to the warrants here's that also that these bills are we going to sign this or just you're just looking at the hours John we need to make sure you get on this too thank you everyone for a good meeting and it was a good meeting today it was a nice set of people even though it was a very robust discussion I think that was good I think it's good to have good you're over it right that's where you what you want I'd rather not have people come at the end and bitch about it let's talk about it everyone has a very respectful come to see one or ask your question sooner the last time I was here it was March 8th the organization the organization that was it all right so most of you will unspray we're just going to be 20 30 I know things are getting short don't say that I know chair on Wednesday I think Tom just signs all those but Ray we're going to let Ray do it check it out it's good every once in a while for everyone else I haven't checked the hours I haven't been doing one in a while let's start seeing hours not many everything you do everything we do is in there but instead of with every phone call the auto geners you would have to have the tambourine notes now I'd go in so if I got two phone calls I'd walk out of the trunk half an hour talk to this person put my time in efficiency that's kind of what we're trying to get our world crew with this Robert Turner stuff Mark notes in like that and do those type of things in their hours and then everything is we're not fooling around with stuff like this more so actually so we know where all the materials go easier for them but anyways we'll get on that so are we taking this to Jeff or are we doing that yeah once you do that Ray that would be the easiest I'm taking this to Jeff so you know where it is we'll get it back and then we'll record it after we've expected it to make sure there are any changes there you go so I'd move to close the meeting thank you all in favor bye