 So it is now 6 o'clock. I'm going to I'm calling the meeting to order. We have started recording. So we're being recorded at this time. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda hearing none that I'll move on. Is there any public comment again hearing none. Let's move on to the meeting minutes please. Do we have Jeremy? No, he's not here yet. Jeremy's not here. Okay, we'll come. We'll come back to Jeremy when he arrives. Let's move forward then with a treasurer's report. I believe Ray is going to take this on in lieu of Mary Beth. Yeah, Lori Beth would like to have been here, but she was in the hospital and so we'll be joining us next week. So sorry to hear about that. First thing is that we've begun the audit. We've been providing information to the auditor and the last thing they were looking for was the value of our inventory that we're holding. And so we're continuing to feed that and the target is still April for the for the completion of the report. So let me let me go through some highlights and basically this is this is 2022. There's an accrual report profit and loss for 2022. Total grant income you can see is 16.3 million dollars. About expenses, administration expenses, and this includes all kinds of different things if I can pull up my other screen here. Let's see if I can find it. But it includes the accounting fees, treasurer fees, executive director salary, et cetera, et cetera. So those insurance costs, consulting costs, legal. So all of those expenses we you can see that we had poll inventory expenses services of a half a million dollars. You'll see that later on as well in a different in a different section. And this is the section coming up pre construction expenses. Design services. This is an RTC for about one and a half million dollars. You can see that make ready services over $725,000 for tree trimming pole replacement, et cetera. A lot of money materials paid 3.2 million dollars in materials and his additional pole services and I think it's there because it was in a different a different pot that we paid for it. The total expenses about six and a half million dollars leaving the revenue in excess of expenses of $9.9 million. Any questions or comments. Not not hearing any and thank you. Thank you Ray. That's, that's very good news. Our, our grant income. We've, we're, we're getting where you see that we're built, we're building up revenues, but those revenues will be spent quite quickly, especially as the season changes. And, and when we move into a full bore construction season. Jeremy, I'm going to get back to you in a minute on the minutes please but right now I have a question from David Healy go ahead David. Did we receive the state ARPA match money? No, no, we have not. Okay. Do we have to invoice them for it. That's between Jerry and Rob. That's that's that's a pretty good question. Yeah, we probably do. That would be Rob fish. Understood. Okay, let's, Jeremy, Jeremy's with us now let's get to those meeting minutes and get ourselves caught up here. Thank you. You're a new Jeremy. I said I apologize teams is not loading on my computer which is peachy so I'm going to restart that after I make the motion to approve the November 9 and December 13 2022 meeting minutes as drafted with minor grammatical corrections suggested by Alan and Linda and then there was one correction by Daniel. It was incorrectly stated that John Healy seconded a motion that should have been David Healy. Second. Seconded by our DIC your hand is I'm sorry can we separate the motions because I'm going to have to vote abstain on the minutes of the on the December minutes because I wasn't here. Sure enough. Motion to approve the November 9 2022 meeting. Hello, just to note for everyone, you are, you know, able to view recordings and whatnot online. But anyways, motion to approve the November 9 2022 meeting minutes as drafted with corrections. Second. Seconded by Siobhan. Any discussion on this matter. Any opposed. Abstentions. All right. Meeting minutes for November approved. Jeremy, do you want to move on. Yeah, motion to approve the December 13 2022 meeting minutes as drafted with corrections as I described earlier. Second. Seconded by Siobhan. Any discussion on the matter. Any opposed. Any abstentions. Yes, I abstain already. Already abstains. Hearing no opposed the meeting. The motion passes. Thank you very much. Jeanille, we're going to get into our construction update here. Would you like to start us off and please introduce Tony? Absolutely. So Tony is here from NRTC to join us. He's the construction manager that we've retained for the construction of our network. We've started, even though it's December in January and making some pretty amazing progress. But I would like Tony to take this over because he has some visuals for us today. The picture is worth a thousand words and he's real time on the ground in Vermont with the construction crew, and he's working out the warehouse materials. And so he can, he can do a much more exciting job at explaining where we're at. Well, we'll see. Sorry, Tony, I set the standard high. Good start, Tony. Good start. You said that damn bar very high. I saw your pictures earlier, so. Yeah, I'm going to share my screen. If I can get to it. Basically, this is our electronic map that we're working on. We are in the callous area. Callous so one to be exact. And Let me stop sharing that one. Share the correct one. So right now the callous OT or OLT is at the callous substation. We currently have down Old West Church Road down to Fowler Road. We are also working in the next the other direction towards the West as of today, but down North Callous Road, Jack Pine Road and Moscow Road, we are fully stranded today. We will plan. We plan to have fiber. And the reason we're only stranding is we like to get ahead. At least a full reel of fiber worth of strand ahead of the fiber crew. So this week we are working on anchors for all of this. And looking at stranding the or fibering the strand that we have up today. So we are looking right now we have roughly the four miles worth of strand up. And by mid to end next week, we should have this with fiber. So we are we are fully active. We've got one crew right now. From Eustace that is actively stranding an additional crew, a different crew will come in that will actually fiber this. So as we're as we have this lead, we hope to maintain that lead ahead of the fiber crew. And we are actively going through all of the application areas that we have the license to to attach. We are looking at building the OLT site yet this week, although weather may hamper us a little bit. It's funny who to thought we'd be building an OLT site in the winter. And even with the good weather that we're having it, it is either freezing up or raining on us. So it's kind of crazy that we are where we are today, but everything is looking good. I want everybody that is potentially living in this area. If you see real carriers, bucket trucks, additional trucks, they are desperately trying to give you enough room to get around them. We should have signage cones, warnings that we are inactive construction unless we're in the off road areas. But we are actively building where once the fibers up, we will be probably working on old Camp Road, trying to get back to the OLT site as best we can. But also we are looking to not only continue CL01, but we're looking at going into CL02. And as these other areas that you can see where we have permission to attach, these are green areas. I've got the DA areas turned off right at the moment. But the orange areas are areas that we're still pending a license to attach. And it's not a problem. We're just waiting the game out. The green areas are where we can go, so that's where we're building. We've got several miles that we can build, so we're actively coming in. We should be bringing in yet another strand crew in the next three to four weeks. And additional fiber crews as other beds. But bear with us. We're getting it done. But it's a lot of these areas were cross country, not along the roadside. We're having to physically climb each pole and it just takes a little time. Yeah, and it's about 120 miles of green, ready to go licenses. Yep. Everything is falling into place. Tony, could you discuss the steps that are necessary to actually get to a lit OLT? Yes. I mean, there were there permits and all kinds of things that had to be done. Yeah, I already had a question as well. I'm sorry, I just wanted to know what the difference between, but I think Ray asked the question in a different way, the difference between stranding and fibering and why you need two different crews. But I think that's part of Ray's question. Yep. And I'll go into both of those. So stranding is what we call a messenger. It's a 10 m strand. And it's a metal, metal strand that we physically attach to each pole. Once we have enough mileage ahead of the fibering crew. So the fiber crew will come back with the real fiber. So it is very, very possible that you will see a real a fiber alongside of the road on a real carrier. And they will physically pull that out along the strand and then lice that together. They will, they will light that up to the strand. That also will give us the ability to put up the storage loops that we need. And then we also have to build the slice locations. The OLT right now we've got to physically build it, which required a few permits. We've got to have an underground permit. I believe we've discussed that we don't need the DNR permit where we're at today, but many permits to go through to get to where we're at today. Also, we're going to build this pad with the template that we have. And then once the actual cabinet comes in or cabinets, we will then set those. The fiber should be there by that by that time. And we will be able to splice it and then weights field will come in and physically connect everything as far as the cards. And be able to turn up the friendlies at that point in a discussion with weights field this morning we've got, I asked them if they would turn it up without the fiber there, and they would rather not. They would like to know that things can be turned up and light at the same time. I personally like to let them cook a little bit, but but these are all battery backup OLTs. And in certain situations, we will also have a propane generator to backup the batteries yet. So it's going to be a pretty solid, pretty solid area. Ray, you had the question. Yeah, I just, could you describe what your job is? Yes, my job is I run construction currently today for all of Vermont. I have had construction for all of NRTC. And basically what me and my team do is we validate invoicing from the contractor. And we also validate that they're doing everything safely. We make sure that they've got all of their personal protection equipment on that the flag is up that the cone ages out so nobody gets hurt. And we're also making sure and inspecting that it is to enter any RSC and RUS guidelines. We have a hierarchy that we have to follow. And we make sure that that's done to that standard. One that so it doesn't come down to if it does come down there are avenues that protect us as a or protect CV fiber as an entity that it was done correctly regarding what happens. But yeah, I'm in charge of construction and I work very closely daily hourly with the contractor and my OSP manager and inspection team. Yeah, and construction has really hustled with with construction with Tony with warehousing with use this. There's been a lot of hustle here. One of the things that was negotiated is getting the pad templates in advance of the cabinets which isn't typically done. If we hadn't done that we wouldn't have been able to lay down this late, you know, we're ahead of schedule because we're hustling and negotiating to get, for instance, the template so that we can lay down the pad first before the cabinets come in. Things like that. Barrowing anchors were needed from sister CDs and other sorts of creative work arounds to make sure that this gets done. Yeah, and, and, Janelle, we always my take is we're always behind. So we're always we always try to keep going and push. There's only so much we can push and use this is has been very good with us. They know that I'm pushing. But there is some reality that, you know, we have to live with, but they they know I'm wanting mileage. So if I just kind of put this in perspective about where we're at now and what's going to what's going to be in place in April and May. And that is we have one contractor with one crew. So right Tony one crew. One crew, one crew. And in April, we're going to April and May, we're going to have two contractors each of them with three or four crews. Yep. And so they'll be turning and burning next year, where we're not able to get a lot done at this, you know, this stage in this weather, etc. We can only really put one crew to work is about it. Tony, you want to spend 10 or 15 minutes on bolts. No, no, no, no, please. Please. I would rather not, but please don't. A bull is. It's a thing. It is a thing. We did spend 10 minutes on it today at the NRTC go at least 10 minutes. Maybe 20. I'm not sure. Are there any other questions for for Tony? Yeah, David, go ahead. Yeah, I just want to say, I mean, in top of the weather, in terms of make ready, which is our critical path to construction, having two snow storms, ice storms, and then a hurricane down south. We have lost a lot of make ready crew to deal with electrical outages. And it's really hampered us, especially, well, Gwech has done a phenomenal job for us, but GMP is way behind. And David, I would like to add that I'm actually very surprised how far we are today with all of that. I mean, theoretically behind us, but regarding that delay, I'm very happy with where we're at today with how much we've actually gotten stranded. We're still working on the OLT, but there was a time when I was like, well, shoot, we're not even going to get started until February. So it is, it is a real thing. Alan, I see your hands up, sir. You're on mute, Alan. That's a dollar. Thank you. I think I read in the most recent Washington Electric Co-op newsletter that the Co-op lost 37 poles in the most recent storm. Does that mean that it's horrible to look at it this way? But does that make it a little bit easier for us because now some poles that maybe we would have had to replace have already been replaced? Absolutely. Sadly, they're not exactly where we want them to be, but there are some that we were going to have to address and they are now addressed. And I will say I'm a Washington Electric Co-op customer, so I'm probably not going to like this answer, but is this on the Co-ops, Nickel? Those poles, yeah. Yes, those poles are all on theirs. But Alan, it's also possible, Alan, that there were some things in the other direction that we didn't see because they never happened. Because we got out there and did our make ready and a big part of make ready is tree trimming and getting things out of the way so that they can run the strand and run the fiber. So it's possible that because of the make ready work that we did, some of those poles are standing that wouldn't have, they didn't have any trees falling on them because we took them down in advance. So I'd like to think it all works out. I would have easily been 100 poles down with the recent storms that I would like to think that we saved 50 plus in those areas where they went ahead of us and actually kudos to WACC for getting ahead of it the way they've done. They've done very well for us. That's great. Thank you. Any other questions for Tony? We'll let him go have his dinner. Tony, thank you so much. That was very exciting. Thank you so much. Thanks. I'm here for you guys. We appreciate you, man. Thank you. We'll see you next month. All right. That was any genie. Is there any additional construction update that we need to touch on before moving on? I think that's the important stuff. I mean, that's, that's where we're at. So, yep. Fantastic. So let's, let's move on to the website update. Janie, I'll let you start and then parse it out as or distribute it as you see fit. Sure. So a huge milestone last week that our website went live with the new feature that allows people to sign up for updates. So this is a pre registration level update sign up. This is not for subscribing to services, but it allows folks to put in their address so that they can be informed when for what the what the status is for our construction and availability of service when it when it comes live. So we, we are, we are now in a position where we can start going down to an address level detail for potential subscribers. Fantastic. Linda, please. I think it's really important that people do not tell them that we have subscriptions ready monthly subscriptions ready. We do not. We are not taking registrations for subscriptions. So please do not send the word around that that that is what is on the website. It is not. Thank you. John Walters, do you have that? Very good. Very good. We are moving forward here on on all fronts. Let me continue moving, moving on here at the, at the most recent executive committee meeting the executive committee approved for recommendation to the governing board that Janiel be the representative to V CUDA for CV fiber David Healy has been doing that job. All of this time. And at the, like I said a few days ago with the at the last executive committee meeting. They approved the motion to have Janiel take over that position so I'm going to I'm going to make a motion now. This is the executive committee on the fifth of January approved, approve the recommendation to the governing board that Janiel Smith be the V CUDA representative for CV fiber. I'm going to move. Therefore that the governing board approve Janiel Smith as our representative to CV fibers seconded by Siobhan that counts. Oh, that was Linda. Oh my goodness. She was, she was winning. Okay, Jeremy. Yeah. Sorry. So, I believe that we had also recommended that David Healy be the alternate so I'd like to propose that as a friendly amendment accepted. Thank you. David also put that in the chat. Thank you. Ray, I see that your hand is up. That was it. All right, that's okay. I'm very willing to accept help. So, and with when I have three people pushing me in the same direction, it's all the better. So the motions on the floor, it's been seconded. Are there any opposed? Any abstentions? All right, passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, David, for all you've done. Thank you for continuing as the alternate and Janiel. Thank you for taking this on. This, this is, this is great. Can I, can I say something about Vicuda? I'm not sure how many delegates in the board know what Vicuda is, but it's an opportunity for, it's an organization of the 10 CUDs. There's a coordinator position that's been hired. And he sort of runs the meetings, but it basically is our voice to the remote community broadband board. Meeting via this, this mechanism. And it was the device that we used to buy our first rolls of fiber. So it's a very useful organization to be a member. We assume it'll, it'll grow and it's required, you know, what we need from it, but I just want to make sure everybody knew who would be Cuda was all about anyway. No, that's good, David. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's, let's move on to the materials purchase here. I, I, I'd like to give just, just a little bit of a, of a preamble. We've, the governing board has already approved up to $10 million for materials purchase. And we have that money. What we are, what we are interested in here is making a second purchase. We've purchased 400 miles of material thinking that in, in, in 2022 slash part of 2023 when we're going to get 400 miles done. What we're seeing now is the potential to get 600 miles done if we have the materials. We're looking for another 200 miles of materials. And what's very important is the order of how we're doing this. We really need to buy the materials first, and then run the construction as far as we can. We can't stop construction for lack of materials. The reason being is that these materials have such a long lead time. So if we're thinking about using materials in September and October of 2023, we need to purchase them now, or we won't have them in time. So this is, this is, this is what we're thinking where we're, we're hoping that the grant construction money will allow us a continuous flow of work. But it's not just the grand construction money that we need. We need the materials in the warehouse. And that's what that's what we're asking for here. What we what we would like to do is increase from the $10 million of materials purchase, increase that to $14 million to get us to get us in the in the vicinity of the 600 miles that we would hope to be able to do if everything else works out. We hope to be able to do in 2023, but we simply can't even plan for that if we don't purchase the materials now so that they're in the warehouse when the construction crews need them. That wasn't quite a motion that was, that was, that was Jerry rambling. Keep it light. Keep it light. That's okay. Is there anybody that wants to make a motion or I'm just going to repeat the motion from the Executive Committee, which recommended this to the governing board for approval. I would recommend repeating the, the motion and also pasting it into chat. If there are whereas and all the rest of that makes it. Yeah, understood. Understood. So here we go. Whereas the governing board approved the expenditure of up to $10 million for materials warehouse and supply chain services on 14 June 2022. Whereas the governing board authorized the Executive Committee to approve the acquisition of such materials from such vendors as the Executive Committee shall determine to be in the best interest of CV fiber. And whereas CV fiber has procured approximately 7.6 million for the dollars worth of materials for the first 400 miles. And whereas CV fiber has plans to build 600 miles in 2023. Whereas materials are facing a long lead time and are increasing in price. And whereas it is in CV fibers best interest to get ahead of these lead times and pricey increases. The Executive Committee on the 5th of January 2023 recommended that the governing board approve an expenditure of an additional 4 million for a total of 14 million from such vendors subject to available funding as determined by the Executive Committee to be in the best interest of CV fiber. Second, second and by Linda. Come on, show on. My camera keeps going out, but I'm here. Okay, I just want you all to participate and be part of all of this. There you go. Thank you. Any additional discussion on this on this matter. Okay, hearing none. Are there any opposed to the motion? Are there any abstentions? Well, the motion passes. Thank you. This is a this is a big step 2023 is going to be an amazing year. Absolutely an amazing year. Thank you all 600 miles is half of our network to put it into perspective. That's huge. That's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Let's move on. Alan, I think I'm going to pass this over to you for the privacy commitment statement. Following up on what we what we did at the Executive Committee on Thursday. You're on mute. You're still on mute Alan. Oh, we're waiting. Sometimes going between two screens is something I still haven't gotten used to. Sometimes I try to tap my computer screen because I've been using my iPad. Yeah, well, that's that's I'll try that next time. So, so despite, despite a winter storm, despite two holidays, your policy committee and a bunch of other people have actually been able to work to get a policy before you concerning privacy. It's the one that I sent out the other day to everybody. The second version is the one that has the correction from Chuck. Thank you for the spelling of internet, which should be capitalized. Just to just to just to give you a walk down memory lane. This was first approved by the policy committee on December the 6th. And then at meetings of the Executive Committee and the governing board on the 13th of December, more changes were suggested. And then after that further suggestions by Ray, and also most especially by Chuck, who, who really added a lot of good content. Those were put in the mix. And then Janiel and I did some polishing of it. And then there was some final polishing in the end in response to some feedback from Ray. This is past the Executive Committee with on January the 5th with the recommendation from that committee to the governing board that the policy be adopted. Basically, what we're doing is we're creating a privacy policy overview. And it should be like a guide as it were sort of a single one page statement about our commitment to privacy. And then the nuts and bolts as you read at the very bottom of the policy, we're going to add some sort of language like, you know, click here on our website for further information about the processes and procedures. We used to ensure your privacy had protected. That's where the nitty gritty and all the lawyer type stuff is going to be. But we wanted to have a single page that an average person who's thinking about subscribing to our services can read and feel good about the effort we're going to make to protect their privacy. So we've done our best. I think it's been polished really well. Neil or Chuck, do you do you have any anything else to say you've been working really hard on this? Um, no, just great teamwork. Thank you. Yeah, I'll just add a quick reminder of some of the, you know, the concerns on the earlier iterations. Unfortunately, there's just a reality that we do have to share customer information in certain scenarios. We also will need to be sharing things like aggregate usage statistics and other such pieces of information that are going to be business critical toward being able to continue to support, build out and improve our fiber optic capabilities. And most notably, we'll be sharing pretty much everything with Weitzfield, Champlain Valley Telecom, who is a separate legal entity. We're under contract with them and so there will be obligations that they maintain our standards of privacy. And, you know, we'll try to maintain that same level of standard with any vendor we get into contract with where they're going to receive direct customer information. There will be some other vendors that will have access to other aggregate statistics and not necessarily direct customer information that won't have quite the same degree of level of privacy as we will maintain. Most notably an example there would be our website has tools on it that allow us to measure usage of the website over time. You know, what pages are working well, what pages are not working well and kind of where people are finding what they want versus where they're not finding what they want. And unfortunately, the mechanisms by which you measure those kinds of things do open up some aggregate usage statistics to third parties who don't have quite as nice and clean privacy statements as this has become. That was a lot of my initial concern on the first go around. And I think the version that went through Executive Committee last week addresses all of the concerns I personally had. It allows us to achieve the doing business that we are going to need to do, while still making it very clear to our customers that we have no intent to ever sell their personal information. And that, you know, anytime we are giving up that information it is in the explicit and express interest of supporting our network and improving it over time. Just very briefly, when we do contract with the third party, do we have any policies regarding their privacy policies? Do we review their privacy policies, vet their policies, ensure that they're consistent with ours? And if we don't, should we? We do. Yes, we do that. We're working right now with crowd fiber who has agreed to redo their privacy policy at our pushing. And that will come out early next year. We're also working with Equal Access to Broadband who's developing a privacy policy because they'll be holding valuable and personal customer information. So, yes, the answer is yes, R.D. Thank you. Alan, do you have a motion you'd like to bring to the floor? Yeah, I would like to move that the governing board accept the recommendation of the executive committee that the CV fiber privacy policy overview be adopted. Second. That was seconded by Jeremy Matt. Am I correct? Yep. Excellent. Is there additional discussion on this matter? All right then. Are there any opposed to the motion? Any abstentions? Well, thank you, everybody. This passes unanimously. Thank you. This is this is good work. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right, I'm going to move on now to email security. I'm going to let others talk about what we're doing here, but I want to relate a story that was told to me that maybe some folks are very familiar with. And you can correct me where I get it wrong, but I think I've got the gist of it. You know, the very, very large electronics companies in the world had had had an internet security firm that was on contract, and they wanted to develop an internet security policy and this company because they very much deal with things thought that they already had some really excellent and extensive policies in place and they thought they were basically impermeable, but they were going to hire these folks to help. And they these folks that they hired said, yeah, we can probably break into your email system in an hour. And they said, no, that's absolutely impossible. And I said, well, we're going to do it. They took a part of the contract. They took a handful of USB drives, a handful of these guys threw them on the floor of the parking lot. And within half an hour, those in those infected drives had allowed them to access the, the email system. And this is the human aspect of security is extremely, extremely important. And at our Thursday the fifth that our executive committee meeting, we approved for recommendation to the board that we that we follow up with with with some email security training, potentially some software. And we're going to move forward with that because we've been fished multiple times. And it's it's really about the person on the other side of the screen because everybody gets fished. It's it's the person on the how we respond to it is what is what's really important here. Yeah, we don't we don't need to make a motion here we don't we don't need to approve anything the executive committee did it's a relatively small contract, but I want to let folks know that we're doing this and I, I'd like to have a discussion about it. So I'm going to go from Christopher to Jeremy to RD, please go ahead Christopher. Okay, good evening. So I wanted to share a similar anecdote that Jerry just did but one that that truly legitimately could affect CV fiber because we don't have a parking lot. We do but we don't have a parking lot with employees coming and going who would pick up and plug into a company computer and hack us. So the situation. This this happened to a company that I worked for. Thankfully, before I worked for them. Fishing emails are becoming increasingly sophisticated and and extremely difficult to identify to, you know, even professionals. You have to look very, very closely and and you have to know some very specific things to look out for and people will, you know, the real scenario. So do you receive an email? Does everyone on the call know what a phishing email is before we keep talking about that because some people might feel lost about that. That's good. I can. I'm happy to to share that. So a phishing a phishing email is is essentially any email that is sent to an individual to in order to extract data from them or information of some kind and the phishing emails that are most effective that I've seen. Are ones for us. We use Microsoft 365 Microsoft sends legitimate emails to all of you from time to time for various things you've been added to a group. Maybe you're, you know, that's where it has expired. There's all any narrow reasons why Microsoft might email you and these phishing schemes will email you and they look exactly like an email from Microsoft. So much so that it convinces even the people to click on a link and you are brought to a website that looks exactly like a Microsoft website. And it convinces you to enter your username and password in to verify some piece of information or whatever. Well, guess what you just entered your real username and password into their database and now they have it. And now they can get access to your email and then they move on from there. So I just wanted to share that story as something that is real and and also the data that they get. They don't care about the data. They're not looking to steal the data and make off with it. But they're looking to do is hold us hostage because they know we need access to that data and basically ask for ransom. I was told that we are a target as a public entity known to have large amounts of grant funds. So we're going to start seeing. We've already seen some and we're likely to see more because we are, we have a target due to our grant funding. But Jeremy I see your hand is down now was that the bit about the definition that you wanted to get out there. I did have another thing that just popped into my head. Is that people might see us as being less sophisticated because we're not a professional organizational group of volunteers so people might think that we would be easier targets. I've got to dissuade people from thinking that volunteers don't mean professionals. I must say, or do you go ahead, sir. Just curious, are we the repository of information that that fishers would be looking for. And second, again, what about our third party contractors do we have any way of ensuring that that they are that any data we share with them is not hackable. No, I realize there was no such thing in life as perfection. Exactly. So this what we're doing. We're looking at is no before and that there's a couple of things that need to be done to ensure our security. But the first step that we would like to approach is the no before which is to arm our people with knowledge and information and test fishing attacks, so that we understand how to prevent it on a human level because that is the. We are human human beings are the weakest link there might be other places where we need an assessment of all of our security. And we need to see where other holes are, but we need to arm our people first and foremost and that's the first step that we're looking to. Right, so what we're doing here is the first step addressing our email security Henry I saw that your hand is up. Go ahead, please. Right, having worked in secure situations before all, you know, Velco and MITRE they all have like a security training awareness class. And in order to access the network you have to successfully complete training. And, and, you know, something like that you might be able to get from someone else you know they they have can training programs for this kind of stuff. We don't have to necessarily invented ourselves. And then in order to be on the network you have to be able to complete that training. Henry we're not inventing we're actually hiring a firm that does this. And we're we're hiring them to to train us and to bring us through the process. So we're not we're definitely not inventing reinventing the wheel here where we're bringing in professionals. Do they have an online training module is my question. Many of them it's called a no before. Okay. All right, good. So you're already on it. Thank you. Thank you, Henry. Let's see. So I have a couple more hands that are up here. Let's see. John Hossford and then Jeremy Hansen. John you're a mute. John, I see your hand up, and I see it looks like you're not on mute but I don't hear anything from you. Thank you to Jeremy Hansen. We can come back to John. Jeremy, go ahead, please. So no before is what Norwich University uses for exactly this sort of thing. And so I do get those test fishing emails. They are easy for me to spot because I'm a recovering security professional and it's it's really pretty straightforward. In some ways a lot better than the miter the miter tools and the trainings that are out there, mainly because it lets administrators know who is most at risk. So if we're looking at I'm going to pick on let's see the other Jeremy Jeremy Matt let's say Jeremy Matt just clicks on literally everything that comes into his inbox. We will know that we will be told that and if we that means we need to dial back his access or disable his account. I don't know that we can actually do that or we should do that but we would know that shame and publicly. Exactly. Right. I mean things like that but we you have a dashboard and there's ongoing training annual training this fishing testing and I have some personal feelings about the organization itself but the training and the what they provide to us. I think is has been effective and has been quite good. Thank you Jeremy that's that's good. That's good to know so we're moving down this path we believe it's important. So we're doing it. Is there any additional discussion on this matter. I see a lot of hands up but not all down after having spoken to be working out Jerry. John. Thank you. And then we'll go to John Morris after John Hosford. I in my professional work I am on the emergency response team for breaches and working for the state we have a great many opportunities to work. We don't use of the state I am familiar with them and they do do good training we do have training at the state as well from a different company. But my real question was have have you looked into breach insurance. Because this training is part of getting breach insurance normally for companies. It's it's getting harder and harder to get because it's getting more and more expensive but it does exist. Obviously the state has it but most major companies have it as well. Not only to to pay out losses to our customers but also to pay for for breach investigation and everything else if we do get get hit. Thank you John. Yeah I'm I'm going to be working into I'm going to be looking into other insurances now that we're getting more materials in and I'm going to talk to our insurer. So this is one of the things I'll bring up. So thank you very much for that suggestion. That's a really good point. Thank you. So let's go to John Morris and then Linda. So I'm. I'm not sure of the point of this whole conversation. But it sounds like maybe we should expect to be starting to receive these test phishing messages. Well we'll let folks know when we're starting for sure and they'll be in an orientation and initiation. Yeah we'll let folks know where we're starting but we should always be aware. Right. I don't get a call for them right now. Yeah I don't think they start out with the phishing emails they start out with the training. Yeah. So you're going to wind up going through some training modules and there's like a half a dozen of those and some of them are short. Some of them are 20 minutes. Some of them are 10 minutes. But I did those at Norwich as Jeremy was just talking about. So you'll get the training first and then you'll be tested every once in a while. Is that good John? Answer your question. Yes thank you. Excellent. Thank you. Linda go ahead please. So I'm going to recommend that everyone is required to take this training. Is that the plan? Well yeah the plan is for everybody. Absolutely. We'll basically track everyone to make sure that they have watched the video for example. Is that kind of the way it's going to proceed? That's exactly it. Linda I'm even thinking that you know we may ask you to enforce that. Oh thank you. I'm always the bad cop. Actually I have experience with security companies also. So that's why I'm asking these questions. Very good. Thank you. That's a very logical question. Let's see. I see Jeremy and Henry. I don't know if these are residual or if they're fresh. Go ahead Jeremy. So someone had asked if we have information that people would want. The answer is maybe. I mean we have some information that we consider to be proprietary, but more than that people trying to attack us with this would be trying to use, you know, trying to get my login information so they could send a email to Jerry to get his information and then he could, you know, then use that to tell, you know, our treasurer to transfer money somewhere or something along those lines, right? So I'm trying to, you know, use a little bit of access from one place. I'm more trusted than some random email and then leapfrog and get more access to something that they really do want or to hold us hostage to someone else. So anyway. That's and that's exactly the kind of experience we've had in the past with these with these fishing. Expeditions. So I don't see any more hands up. This was a great discussion. Thank you. And I appreciate folks being interested in making sure this works. Because we, we, we, we, you know, as we're growing up here, we've got to do all these adult things, right? So this is one of them. So next, I'd like to get a conversation going a little bit about CV fiber meetings schedule. I don't know that this needs to be a long conversation, but I do want folks to know that we're, we're, we're re revisiting the schedule to see if our flow of work makes sense or not as it's laid out. And we'll be asking each of the committees to think about where they need to be in our monthly schedule. But Chuck, go ahead. I see you have your hand up, sir. Yeah. So a little bit of an update on this. There is a working group that has assembled to try to make some headway on this. It is Alan Gilbert, Jeanille and myself. And before I talk a little bit about what we are doing, I do want to just give a little bit of additional context here. So the way our meetings have been sequenced has been a big part of CV fiber for the last couple of years. And the important part of it is that we start with the governing board. We then go to executive who takes some governing board decrees and further distributes them or acts on them. We then go to planning and development. The boots on the ground, you know, getting the network built work. We then go to communications, which we are then able to take all of the output of the governing board and the executive committee and the planning and development committee and be able to update our communities based on the progress of those working, of that work. And then we go to finance and policy and then one more executive committee to feed back into the governing board. And so this sequencing, this order has been a big part of why we have been able to be effective over the course of the last couple of years. But it comes with one very, very annoying drawback, which is the two committees, that is communications and policy, hence Helen and my working on it, fall on Thursdays. And the logic there, unlike the Tuesday meetings, which is just the second Tuesday of the month for board, the third Tuesday of the month for planning development, the fourth Tuesday of the month for finance, Thursday follows this arcane logic of being the executive committee being the second Thursday, sorry, the Thursday following the second Tuesday of the month, the communications committee being the Thursday following the third Tuesday of the month and the policy committee being the Thursday following the fourth Tuesday of the month. It's very, very confusing to manage. It's probably a disservice to the public at large who, you know, need to be empowered to know when to attend these meetings, when they want to for open meeting law purposes. And, and it's a scheduling nightmare when it comes to calendars because calendaring software doesn't know how to do that. So what we have to do is we have to schedule it for the third meeting, third Thursday, and then we have to manually override it any month where that doesn't actually pan out to be the case. So it's, it's not ideal for, for a few different reasons. But there are a couple of other smaller reasons such as it's very difficult, in fact, to come out of a board meeting on a Tuesday night and go immediately into executive committee on a Thursday night not being able to adjust the warrant agenda because there's not enough lead time anymore. So long story short, the three of us are getting together. We're going to gather some additional information from folks and we're going to make a couple of possible proposals. Now, it is also our belief that the committees at the end of the day should have some say in when they meet. So I will say we're going to come back with a couple of proposals, but it's still going to be up to everybody to adopt them. You know, we don't believe they should be necessarily dictated. But we hope we can find something that solves a few of the problems inherent to our current schedule while giving us a little bit of better predictability and visibility into when meetings will be. On that end, we're also, I think, going to attempt to ask committees maybe meet a little bit earlier for those that are meeting late in dinner time. I don't think that's always going to work, particularly if communications remain on Thursdays that unfortunately presents a little bit of a challenge for me, but we will need to gather some feedback from folks because we know there are work conflicts. We know that there are sometimes obligations with family and kids and sports and things, all sorts of things like that. So we will make sure that we gather appropriate feedback on these proposals before we really start kind of pushing toward their adoption. Bravo. I'll just add, I don't know if anybody has ever worked in an organization that followed the 445 calendar, but let's not do that. You should put that on KitKat or TikTok or whatever. Well, I don't know what a 445 calendar is and it's probably a good thing. So the intent here was purely informational. I don't know that there's any action that we need to take here, Chuck, at this time, but we really do appreciate you guys taking a look at this because I do believe that that workflow management has been a critical part of our success, such as it is, because that really has worked. And, you know, with the few times that we've had to have special meetings, the way the workflow has been set up, we've really avoided a lot more special meetings. So that's been a good thing. Is there additional discussion here on this? It's already February. It's already February. So, oh, Linda, go ahead, please. I just have a question. Why are there no meetings the first week of every month? The last week of the month and the first week of the month were left available. First of all, we only have five committees, right? And then the last week and the first week of the month were left available for special meetings if they were required. I guess I was thinking just if we just slid into the first of the month and left the last week of the month for specials, that might help the whole situation. Just a suggestion. I'm not getting into the committee. I've got enough work to do right now. Aren't there a lot of select boards that meet like the first and third week of the month? I seem to remember select boards playing part of this or something, but I'm not sure. Mondays. Select boards are generally Mondays. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Well, we'll continue working on this. Thank you all. And we, of course, have an executive committee meeting in two days. So those that can make it, we will see you then. I always send the invitation to everybody on the governing board because everybody is, of course, welcome. So just to keep you in the loop as to where we are and what we're doing. Other than that, I believe it may be time to adjourn. Any opposed to adjourning? See you all later and thanks for all the hard work everyone's putting in. Thank you so much for all you do. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you everybody.