 What better time to listen to some Richard Spencer here than at the end of the world? I generally don't do that. Videos you guys together... No, that's no slight head-dump you're covering with these days. Right. I thought Millennial Wows was a pretty intelligent guy at times. He is a intelligent guy. I would certainly be willing to do something with him, but... Yeah, I mean, there was a... I think Richard's main problem with Millennial Wows is aesthetic. He just finds him dumpy and grubby. There's just a kind of crickish kind of stuff going on. I guess I'm a clicker now. One. So, yeah, but I'm not. I don't have to do anything. Nothing happened. I don't have any will or anything. At the same time, I kind of want to move past a lot of that stuff, to be honest. Just, no white nationalism. It just... just pours me. I don't prank. I wouldn't call him a white nationalist. Well, okay, but... Of course, Millennial Wows. Hey, Richard. I stopped calling you, Rich. Yeah, sorry about that. I was watching or listening to a Nick Fuentes, Spacey had, I think, and you were in it. It was about four weeks ago, and you two hadn't talked in years. And what a nice meeting that was. You were both very gracious towards each other, even though you have some opposing ideology. And it was really nice seeing that. He gave his analysis of you afterwards. I thought it was pretty good. He had told you for years, or he had told you not for years, but he said, you're an intellectual, you're an elitist, and you write well. You should stick to writing and not go on these tours. He said it just wasn't something that you were really built for. I thought it was a bit rude what he said afterwards, to be honest with you. Oh, really? I did it. I thought he gave Richard a lot. He called Richard an intellectual goal. I was not expecting that. I was looking at Twitter as I was going to bed. There was a space with a couple hundred people in it, and I was curious. Lo and behold, it was there. I was surprised, and I actually was expecting this typical Quintet insult garage, but I served all across the court in a respectful manner, and it was returned, so I thought that was good. I will say this about Quintet. I do think that there's kind of a man behind the mask, so to speak. Maybe it's a kid wearing a Darth Vader helmet, but there's still someone there. So I do think he's able to listen or things like that. In terms of criticism of me, I appreciate being called a good writer and so on. I do think that I'm in front of a crowd, but that probably can't happen because of the world we live in, but we'll see. The main thing is I really don't want to go down the path again because the path doesn't really lead anywhere. The path that you tread being a kind of Trump man is the path towards January 6th or something like that. That's the way that Nick is used. Nick is very good in front of a crowd. He is very good on his live streams. He has an organic audience, unlike many conservatives, but if he's playing the game of being, at the end of the day, a Republican or Trump cheerleader, there will be people who will ultimately use him for their own ends, people who don't have an organic audience, who don't have charisma or whatever you want to call it and stuff, and they're going to use him and they're going to put him in situations where he's going to take the fall and stop the steal being an excellent example. But you know, anyway, I do think that there's a man behind the matter of the wave. I do think there's a real person there, but I also think that our ideological differences are pretty great. Okay, let's fast forward here. There we go. Death squads, right wing death squads? Didn't she say that? So she was kind of on that energy version of the alt-right. But I can't imagine her voting for a Democrat. I mean, she's a conservative movement, a monster. Oh, and quarter. She's such a glamorous queen of obsessed with her. Yeah, I like that. And a pressure. He has some good books. God, if I could never stand this. It's just such an anti-intellectual movement. It's just so, like, I don't know. It just doesn't have a vision. I think by anti-intellectual, he means un-aesthetic, right? Not aesthetically pleasing. Is that a reactionary? Well, yeah. So it's about what's cool. It's not so much about what's intellectual. It's about what's cool. A race-realist liberal? Like, would that be an accurate assessment of your ideology? What would you call yourself? Well, I mean, I do... I guess you could really call me a race-realist. I mean, that's a very real thing. Do you like Steve Seller? I publish. Yeah, I think Steve Seller is fun. I've always liked Steve Seller. But, yeah, I mean, again, my concerns, what I actually care about is just a lot bigger than the stuff. Like, what do you care about? Well, we're moving towards apolloism. Apolloism? Like, paganism. Yes. Apolloism? What? I'm glad I'm shocking you all. You are. Oh, my gosh. Okay, let me Google that real quick. Did you want that to be like a dominant religion in the culture and why? Yeah, hopefully around the world. I have a serious question for you, Richard. Okay. How shocked were you when Roland Maury informed you that Egypt was in fact an apollosis? That was pretty cool. I believe I said Egyptians were white, which would make it not the best. Although not inaccurate entirely, at least for founders. But, yeah, I mean, it was maybe the best response in that context of a kind of hostile interview. But, yes, I do think that there are people... Like, African Egyptology is kind of similar to the Kanye stuff about whatever he believes. I don't know exactly what he believes. I think some people... Like, people in his documentary that Pairi Irving mentioned, I believe they think the Jews of the Bible were subservient Africans. I think Kanye, again, to be trying to accurately represent what he thinks, I think that he believes that Africans were almost like a Kushites or something. They were like a tribe of Israel. But I don't think he is... I don't think he is able to believe. Yeah, that's fair. But he kind of does believe in something, you know? Like, however weird it might be, he has a belief system. I remember seeing him shake his head when Lex Freeman said, this reminds me of black Hebrew right stuff. He kind of shook his head, so I'll take it in his word. I think he believes that, like, he's the tribe of Kush or something like this, or Africans are. And then he also kind of said that everyone comes from Africa, so the Jews come from Africa, so he becomes a Jew that way, too. I mean, who knows exactly. It is rather weird, but I do think he sincerely believes that thing. What's your opinion? I know you've been in favor of, you know, kind of an outside Jewry. Are you at all concerned about any complications or what's happening right now? Or is that something that you're not quite too concerned about? Well, yeah, I'm concerned about it, but it is what it is. I mean, in the sense that, you know, I don't think we should just say, oh, well, let's get out of the rain and let's get out of NATO so we don't risk nuclear war or something like that. I don't believe in those things. We're in it. We have certain responsibilities. I think in some, in many ways, actually, I think that conflict with Russia is, just with the doctor order, you could say. Once there is a kind of, you know, conflict is natural and it's defining. And I think it could actually revive the West in a way. I think it could bring a kind of realism to the way we operate that, you know, unipolarity or whatever just wouldn't. So, yeah, I don't really quite think of it in those kind of paleo ways where everyone's just kind of over-checked and conflicted or paleo-conservatives like the Chad who use that, you know, if only we could just trade and live in tiny little state lands there'd be no problems in the world or something like that. I never believed that. You understand where you're coming from, but I mean, millions of people might die from a war for three. And I mean, you know, like I said, that's not good. Well, they're going to die anyway. And now they're going to die anyway. They're going to die anyway. But don't just prevent that, just not having a war, you can create a Russia-fighted-out is just... You can't just let that be. I don't know. It sounds a little...within their chat. What are you afraid of? Not afraid of anything. Just don't want millions of people to die. You know, we're all going to die. And Russia and Russia and the American government is more of a threat to me than Russia, so... No, I understand. I understand your perspective. I'm being a bit provocative, as I think you can tell. That's all I understand. I understand your perspective. I'm definitely talking with you. It is a blast from the past because there was a time in my life when I was surrounded by paleo-libertarian, so I kind of know the way that... You were on my stove before. You were on my stove years ago. Shad factor. Shad factor. Shad factor. Who among us can forget the shad factor?