 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am Krista Burns at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the Library Commission's weekly online event where we cover library commission activities and any Nebraska library topics that may be of interest to librarians in the state. We have commission staff that do presentations and we also bring in guest speakers like we have today. We do these sessions every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. central time. They're free about an hour depending. And we have a mixture of things we'll offer during these sessions, presentations, interviews, web tours, many training sessions, whatever we can get. And they are recorded so if you're unable to listen to our live sessions, all of the recordings are available on our website as well. This morning we have Troy Gagner from the USDA who's going to talk about some great funding opportunities for libraries that you guys really should be jumping on ASAP. So I'm going to pass things over to Troy. Yeah, probably don't need to be gorgeous. Good morning everybody. As Krista said, my name is Troy Gagner. I'm with USDA Rural Developments in the community programs area. And what I'm going to talk to you a little bit about this morning is a special initiative that we have available through stimulus funding actually for library funding. But before I get into that, I'm going to talk with you just a little bit about the programs that we do have and where this funding has come from and kind of give you an overview of generally what our funds do and how the library initiative fits in. There we go. You can shrink up that if you wanted to. The programs that we work with in our community programs division, one is community facilities which I'm going to talk to you a little bit about today. The other is water and wastewater projects or water environmental programs which I'm not going to spend any time on. I don't think that the library commission and our libraries around the state are going to be terribly interested in septic systems and wastewater systems. So we're going to focus on our community facilities programs and that's really where the library initiative fits in. These programs that we provide are loan and grant programs. What we do with potential projects is look at them and try to determine how to best finance a project. And in some cases that does mean providing some grant financing and in many cases that means we are able to provide low interest loans to a community or a non-profit depending on the particular project and the applicant to assist them in getting a project going. As you see on the slide, these are what are determined to be essential community facilities and I'm going to show you a list in a minute to give you an overview of what all those might be. And they are limited to communities up to 20,000 in population. There we go. To start off I'll tell you a little bit about what we did just in the last year with our community facilities programs. Our fiscal year 2009 was actually one of the biggest year we've had and really a lot of that has to do with stimulus funding. We had quite a bit of extra money that we were able to use in order to complete projects in the state of Nebraska with the stimulus funds and as you probably are all aware, stimulus funds are not something that are going to be ongoing there. They will end at the end of this fiscal year but as you see we did 56 million dollars in projects in the state of Nebraska last year. Unfortunately, we did not have any libraries last year and I'll show you towards the end of the presentation some of the libraries that we have done in the past but last year we did not. Now that 56 million dollars is probably twice as much as what we typically do in any fiscal year and as you see with the five hospitals that are listed first, we've got a couple of complete rebuilds, some other maintenance projects and then a big hospital addition and that probably is where the bulk of the funding went but as you see as you go down the list we did a number of other projects including some emergency warning sirens and ambulances and some of those were smaller projects where the community was able to come up with the bulk of the funds and we were able to help out in order to get the project completed. Again here's just kind of a laundry list of the kinds of things that we can fund with community facilities. Again, health services is one of the big pushes that we have and it always has been and will continue to be to provide access to health care services in rural areas and so hospitals assisted living, dental clinics, you name it are available there. Public safety is really the other big ongoing push and we work a lot with communities developing new fire halls, helping them purchase trucks and equipment, even patrol cars for sheriff's offices and small communities that do have their own police forces. We do some utility work through community facilities but that is for the most part limited to telemedicine distance learning types of instances and there are some natural gas projects but we don't get terribly involved in those. Public buildings and improvements and libraries may actually kind of fit in this section as well but this kind of runs the gamut from county courthouses and city halls, we do child care centers, adult day care centers, a lot of community centers around the states with community kitchens in many cases, fairgrounds and last year we did actually I believe our very first animal shelter in the state of Nebraska. Education improvements or something else that we do, streetscapes, sidewalks, soft street parking, the ones you see listed at the bottom we are able to do but to my knowledge I don't think we've ever done an airport in state of Nebraska but it's something that we could do if somebody came to us with that. The final area is cultural and education and I think this is probably the area you all would be most interested in and besides working with or being able to work with schools both public and private, college campuses, vocational schools, see down at the bottom we can work with community theaters, museums and of course libraries as an eligible purpose. This is the actual program that I'm going to spend a little bit more time talking with you about and it's very recently the Secretary of Agriculture designated $100 million in our financing to fund public libraries and he wants to get that $100 million out the door of this fiscal year so it's really a short turnaround time to get these library projects up and going and that $100 million will be coming through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, many people refer to it as the stimulus in our circles we refer to it as ARA for short or ARA depending on which agency you talk to I've heard both but those funds will be coming through that and really what that means is that the stimulus funding will run out at the end of fiscal year 2010 which is a federal fiscal year so that gives us until the end of September to really get funds for these projects obligated and so as you kind of start to count the months between now and September that does not give us or the libraries that we potentially can be working with a lot of time and so we'll be trying to work through these projects as quickly as we can and as we talk a little bit more I kind of tell you a little bit more about how that is going to be available and why it might be important to if you've got a potential project to talk with us now and get the ball rolling because those funds just may not be there in the future. Our goal and this was actually a goal that the Secretary gave to every state is he would like to see $2.2 million in library projects in this fiscal year that's across the state of Nebraska as much as $500,000 of that $2.2 million can be available through grants. Now that doesn't mean that we'll do one big project with a $500,000 grant so what we would like to see is multiple projects in multiple communities and hopefully we can get those grant funds and kind of share it across the state and maybe get some grant funds in every project that we do. I know that's terribly important to libraries because revenue streams for libraries to repay loans is something that is difficult to come up with. Eligible organizations that can apply for the funding are public bodies of course, if it's public library, if it's city owned, county owned or if there's some sort of a district that actually owns the library those are eligible applicants. Not for profit corporations can also apply for these funds. I'll talk a little bit more about those ties to the local community in a minute and then also federally recognized Indian tribes are eligible applicants. One of the things that I would like to mention is that when it comes to putting the financing together the difference between applying as a public body or not for profit when it comes to libraries can be kind of significant. Public bodies in most cases are going to have to bond for the financing and in a lot of cases that may mean going to a vote and of course that a lot of times especially in difficult financial times that may be hard to get past. The other issue is that the cost of bonding can be prohibitive on smaller projects and just the time that it takes to kind of go through that process slows it down. Not for profits, we don't have that issue with that we can actually do loans directly to the not for profits and what we've seen in many cases in the past when we've done libraries is there's a library foundation that is connected to the library or maybe there's another foundation in the community that has ties to the community that does a kind of a range of projects but would be willing to work with the library to do this and so that may be something that as you look at your project if it's a city owned library or a county owned library if there is a library foundation that's connected it may be worth looking into using the foundation as the applicant just to speed the process and really to make it easier on you as the applicant I think to avoid some of the issues that you come up against when you actually have to bond for some of these funds. To get back to those significant ties to the community and this applies more of course to a nonprofit than it would to a public body it's hard to argue that a public body does not have significant ties to its own community but again that's a broadly based board with significant ties to the community and represents the community what we don't want to see as a board that has membership and that membership is really from outside that particular community we will take a look at those documents and make sure that it's a representative body and another way to look at that is to look at if that nonprofit is controlled or has support by the local public body in a lot of cases and I'm not sure with library foundations how that works if the library board and the library foundation board end up being the same group which is fine. We find that a lot with hospital districts and hospital foundations where we have kind of a crossover membership of those boards and that's just fine in a lot of cases. And we can work with just about any group we just have to make sure that you know in most cases I think with the library I don't think we're going to run into too many issues where we've got membership from outside the community. But again if it's a nonprofit that actually owns and runs the library but it does get some public funding through some taxes or through the city itself that also is considered a significant tie to the community or just fundraising efforts if they've shown that they've been able to raise X number of dollars from the local community over the past period of time that again is just another instance where we can point to local support. The borrower has to have, will have to be responsible for the operation the maintenance and the management of the facility. In a public body that owns its library that's pretty easy to show. In many cases if we are using the library foundation as an applicant to get the funds what may have to happen is that the foundation would actually have to own the assets and what can happen then is a lot of times the foundation may not necessarily want to keep control of those assets but what we will do is work with you to set it up so the foundation would apply for the funds. They would technically own the assets but they could lease it back to the public body in some cases for a dollar. And then when if it's a loan and grant combination especially then you could write a loan agreement so then when the loan is repaid those assets are automatically transferred back to the public body. It's really kind of almost an end around to get financing to the foundation to make the whole application process easier for everyone. Again because it helps us avoid coming up against that bonding question. And in many cases when it comes to applying or to trying to get some grant funds into a project a community, a public body when we look at their financials it may be harder for us to demonstrate that they need the grant funding. Library foundation it's a lot easier to make a strong case to say that yeah we do need some grant funding in this project. And so again that's kind of a way that we can work around and use the library foundation or maybe a different foundation to act as an applicant and get funds into the library that way. And again at the bottom bullet there applicants must be financially sound and able to organize and manage the facility. What we try to avoid is some brand new startup organization that has no real history or involvement with the library that is going to be the applicant. It's tough for us to demonstrate that that is an applicant that we're confident we'll be able to carry this project on after the funding is provided. Now for the library initiative for eligible use of funds pretty typical of most I think projects that you might be looking at. Of course we can construct or improve the library in any way. That could be remodeling, that could be in addition it could be a brand new library replacement library. And that can include cost to acquire land for a new library site if a library is land locked and it looks like the easiest way may just be able to move it to a different location. Funds can be provided to pay the professional fees involved with that, your architect, your engineer, legal fees all of those anything you can think of that comes along with constructing a new building or renovating a building. We can help with purchasing equipment required for the operation and that's really all your furniture and fixtures inside including the shelving. Computers and audio visual equipment I think was probably a big one here that we can help out with in any sort of distance learning equipment as well. And we have been told that bookmobiles will also be eligible for these funds so if that's something that you're interested in. Well with the stimulus funds over the past year kind of outside of the library initiative we had been asked not to fund too many vehicles. And I think the issue is with the stimulus funds the big push has been projects that create jobs and I think what they were thinking there was that it's tough for them to argue that they're creating jobs by providing a truck to the sanitary sewer system or something there. Bookmobiles are kind of a different animal here and so that's it's you know because really a bookmobile is it is a library or it just happens to be a vehicle as well. To some towns and small towns and villages that is their library when it shows up. And when our national office first started discussing the library initiative bookmobiles wasn't necessarily listed as an eligible use but I think a lot of questions from the state saying is this something we can do because of the prohibition of purchasing vehicles with earlier stimulus funds. And I think once they thought it through they thought yeah bookmobiles definitely would be something that we could look at. The rates and terms on loans for these projects and I should probably take a step back and say it's the funding that's available isn't all grant funding of course. A big portion of it is going to be loan funds. But what's nice about our terms for these loans is we can go up to 40 years on a loan which is much longer than you'd be able to find in the open market or really through bonding in a lot of cases it's tough to get a 40 year bond term. What that does is that really helps bring that annual cost down. Now the repayment period is actually limited to the useful life of the facility. So the 40 years would apply if we were constructing a library most likely renovating or doing addition to a library. If we're just buying computers and we were talking about loan funds we wouldn't be able to do 40 years. Because those things are pretty much need to be replaced by the time you bring them home. But we can probably stretch that out a little bit longer than most of you would be able to get a loan from your bank for as well. Our current interest rates right now are at 4% and our rates change on a quarterly basis so the rate is 4% through the end of March of this year. I can't see come April the rates going up astronomically they may even come down a slight bit again it's tough to say. But I would estimate that they would probably stay somewhere near that 4%. And what's nice about that low interest rate is if you are interested in doing a large project but aren't so sure about borrowing money to do it. If you've got some sort of capital campaign going on what you might be able to do with a loan from us is as you continue to collect those contributions for your capital campaign you can actually borrow the money from rural development get your project going get it built continue to collect those contributions make your loan payments pay it off early if you want to. There is no penalty for paying a loan off early so you could take out a 40 year term loan on a new library and you could continue to do your fundraising in the community and pay it off in three years and we're happy with that if we'd love to see that happen because what we want to do is we want to provide you the financing to get the project done. It's not going to hurt our feelings if you come in and pay us off early. Now the funds that we provide can be used in combination loans and grants from us and with this library initiative I think our goal is going to be trying to get as much grant funds into every project as we can get unless we've got a community that just is not eligible for grant funds for some reason. Other contributions can be matched with that so if you have been doing a capital campaign or doing some fundraising and you've got some money that you want to put in that's fine as well. Loans and grants from other sources whether they be state federal agencies we're more than happy to match those funds as well. Any sort of a donation from a large donor as well that's certainly something that we can do. We don't need to come in and finance the whole project what we want to do is come in and finance the part of the project that you can't get financed elsewhere. So if you've got a project idea, you've got things started but just aren't quite there. We can come in and help with that last bit and you can continue to raise your funds, pay us off and take care of the project funding that way. Now on the grant side again it's hard to tell you just what's going to be available along the grants because it does depend on the size of the community, the median household income of the community and I'll show you a little bit about that later. But what we do have to be able to show is there's an inability to repay those funds as a loan because we'll look at doing a loan first and the grant funds come in as a supplement. As I said we have to meet median household income and population guidelines in order to access the grant funds and really those grant funds are targeted to the smaller communities and the ones with limited revenue streams and really I would argue that most communities under $20,000 population are going to have limited revenue streams and especially when it comes to funding their libraries and so as I said we're going to look to try to get as much grant funds into these projects as we possibly can. Here are those grant percentages. We can go up to 75% of a project and grant if we can show that it's necessary in communities of less than $5,000 and that have a median household income of just over $23,000 and those household incomes are really based on a percentage of the national median household income. I believe that 23% is I want to say it's 60% of the national and then some of those others are at 70 and 80%. But as you can see it's kind of a sliding scale based on community size and MHI. If we have as I mentioned earlier 20,000 is the maximum as far as population goes for communities that we can work with but even those larger communities we can do a small amount of grants if we have a MHI that falls below that 34,813 that's shown there. And as I've said a couple of times we're going to try to maximize the grants on these projects and so I would encourage you to give us a call and let us know what your project is and we can kind of start playing with the numbers with you and kind of see where we might be. I have a question about the census data is this you're right now they just started the new census. This yeah you can probably you can probably ignore that subject to change with census data. This I actually pulled this particular slide from it from an older presentation and we will be using it's actually this is all 2000 census data. Now if you get on the census websites there you know they've got updated numbers to 2006-2007 that are estimates but we know we know here in Nebraska there are certain communities that there have been big changes in like plants closing sure population changes big time or median household median income changes a lot since the last obvious census sure but we know locally that this is happening because we know that that's what happened in the town so they could still you know. Definitely and what might have happened last year that changes these numbers. Exactly and one of the things we can look at if that's the case if we've got a community where you think there's been a significant change in that that median household income is much lower than what it's showing in the 2000 census is we can actually have you do an income survey and we work a lot with the community development block grant program that the state of Nebraska Department of Economic Development administers and especially we see we do it quite a bit more I think when we're doing our water wastewater projects but what happens is with with the block grant they've got a threshold and a community has to be what they consider I think it's 50 and a half 51% basically of the community has to be what do they call it low and moderate income which is 80% of median household income or less and what happens is we come out we come across communities where that that MHI or that low to moderate income percentage ends up being in the 40s and people think yeah we think it's higher than that well if that's the case the community can can work to complete an income survey and yeah and if that that income survey comes back and shows us that it's higher than that or that we've got a lower MHI than what we showed originally then we can use those numbers instead so hard doing these things around the edge of a new census yeah well if we just had another year we'd have the numbers and the problem with the census is it's it's more than a year before the numbers come out they'll do it this year but it's probably more like 2013-14 before we actually see any numbers we have area offices around the state and this map kind of shows you you can take a look at where you are in the state who you may be working with if you do have a project and I've got my contact information on the last slide and so if you don't want to try to read these the very small print and jot down the numbers you can contact me and I can get you in touch with with our area specialists it looks like we have someone with a question somebody raised their hands you know I'm not sure what that is either as far as income Janet I've unmuted you I think you said you have a mic there or you can type it in no I didn't hear you must have your I've unmuted you from my side or try again I'm not hearing anything go ahead and type we had this problem before with a small area income and poverty estimates oh you know I don't know we we could we would certainly be willing to look at it if it's if it's something that's gonna give us a more up-to-date number than what we think this the census has we're certainly willing to look at it yeah you know what we'd like to do is you know we would like to you know maximize the funding available for communities and so if we've got other ideas for how we might do that we're certainly willing to to listen to what those are and see if we can find a way to again maximize those grant funds for communities as well yeah she says it comes from the census only but it only is up to counting level okay we've had that issue before that we're something we're dealing with trying to work on right now we need to know not a city but it only goes sure well in some cases we may be able to show that that particular library service area is the is countywide anyway and and that and that's fine and I would I would imagine a lot probably a lot of the city libraries out there too probably the service area is much larger than just the city itself so yeah we can certainly take a look at that and see if that would work I think what we've got next here is just some examples of libraries that we have financed I believe all of these have been done since 2000 I've got a list of them here in Atkinson is the first one on here and again this is a brand new library in Atkinson and those photos at the bottom are a little little dark but what you've got is there's a couple of reading rooms in the library and the lower left one and and maybe it shows up better on your screen there's a fireplace and some nice comfy reading chairs and then the one on the right is kind of a teen reading room which I thought was it was a great idea to have that available as well this is the public library in Farnham kind of gives you a I think a contrast in the size and scale of some of the libraries that we worked with this really if you take a close look is just kind of a modular building that was used but they were they were able to put a new library in and of course provide all of the the access that that's required as well again another small one this is the library in Brady it was a converted building I believe and just say I believe those were the women who were involved in getting the financing and really getting the library up and running in Brady but again it's another just small community library and you know not all of these library projects have to be multi-million dollar projects we're willing to to look at you know even even the smallest libraries in some of our very small communities if you want to get a library each town just gets what they need exactly this is a brandy library in Wakefield the graves public library and the picture down below I believe was taken before it had opened and the shelves were still empty and I think that before they finished the landscaping outside as well on this particular one and Humboldt it's a it's a renovated building downtown that they did they did some exterior work and and it's work inside as well to get that building cleaned up and and it's really a beautiful building this is a tribal college library and little priests that that we also help fund we can do public libraries but that that also would include college or school libraries that that are open to the public beyond school hours so if it's something that you're looking at funding in maybe conjunction with the school that that's a possibility I don't know if there's a lot of towns are doing that for just space reasons sure I think actually the city of Lincoln has done its first one with a school out in the airpark area yeah Arnold's yeah and so it's a the library is connected to the school but it's open beyond beyond school hours and open to the public as well which is it's it's nice to have that that shared use because really then you know that you don't have these buildings in town that just go dark after after four o'clock this is the new library to come son the sign they've got out front Wahoo this is I think the most recent one that we've done and I want to say this was probably 2006 or so that that Wahoo was completed in actually I've been with USDA for for just a couple of years now and some of these other libraries I was able to pull photos up but I haven't been to any of them Wahoo is one that I have been into and it really is it's a it's a beautiful library they did it did a great job on library and Wahoo and again this was a brand new library and this one and a couple of the others that you saw on the slides were done using the library foundation as an applicant and so what they've done is they are our applicant they've borrowed funds from USDA or making payments they've got some sort of lease arrangement with the community with the city so the the city basically pays them a a annual lease payment that's equal to the loan payments or maybe a little bit more to cover you know their small expenses that they might have as the library foundation that's been passed on as as a loan repayment and so here's an example of libraries who have have worked the process that way and it does seem to be I think probably the easiest way for for a lot of libraries to get these projects done and again I just wanted to reiterate that these I feel like I'm doing a cable TV commercial or something but the funds you know you act now the funds are limited and but but really truly they are these are funds that are available through the American Reinvestment Recovery Act they will run out at the end of this fiscal year and that doesn't mean we have to have a project completed by the end of the fiscal year that means we need to have an application in that we've approved and what we call obligated which means that we've got those funds set aside for that particular project and so we need to have that done really by it by the end of September and so you know if you've got project ideas big or small if you just need a couple of compute computers for instance you know that's something we're gonna look at as well so even those small equipment types of projects if you've got something that you need please contact us and we'll see if we can we can help you get that finance get that project done if you've been considering a construction project of some sort for a while now it's probably the time to really move forward with that even even if you don't think you have all of your financing lined up again as I said we can kind of be that stop-get financing and you can continue to raise funds and and then pay us back early if you need to but what this does is it's gonna give you access to that money now while it's there because if you wait a year or two years chances are the funds that are available will be will be limited and particularly the grant side of things because we do have this push to really put a lot of grant funds into into these projects right now and so if you wait two years and come in we might be able to help you but chances are you're gonna end up paying a lot more for it in the long run to get it done and so we'd like to help you get it done at least get it started now and and we'll work with you to get that completed that's really all I have as far as slide presentations my contact information is there so feel free to send me an email or give me a call if you if you have questions that you think of after we're done here today more than happy to answer those for you or get you in contact with one of the specialists in your area who can help you start working on an application okay well thank you very much anybody have any questions if you have a question you can go ahead and type it into the questions area or if you have a microphone and working on getting everybody unmuted so if you do have a mic go ahead and if you have any particular project ideas that you've been talking about in your library if you want if you've got some specific questions about about your potential project I'd be more happy to talk with you about them now as well how do you know what your yeah actually there's a website I can't tell you exactly what the the address is but it's part of the census website it's called American fact finder and if I think if you probably just Google American fact finder it'll take you there you can type in your community name your state and it'll give you a basically a whole sheet of all the demographics on the community it'll give you populations and breakdowns by race and gender but there's a whole section on income levels and it'll tell you exactly what your median household income is and then it'll also show you what the national is I think in a column next to it one of the things that you want to watch when you pull that up I think a lot of times at the top there'll be a tab and it'll it'll first pull up I think a updated 2006 2007 estimate and then there's a tab if you click on census 2000 it'll it'll take you to that and it might not do that for everybody but it seems like whenever I pull it up I get that that 2006-7 tab first yeah oh definitely whether it's whether it's me or our specialist that's in an office is closer to you we definitely would be more than willing to have somebody come out and talk talk with staff or if you've got a library board meeting for instance we can certainly get somebody out to those meetings just let us know when and where and we will try to get someone out there I have a note here just as a reminder if you are also looking for census info and having issues or you know wanting help with accessing it or interpreting it yourself here at the library commission Beth Goble is our government document people and she can help you with that as well I'm getting your data we're just understanding what I'll say one last question do you have a timeline on steps to get you started like what would be a step one how you do these things the first step I would say is you know you've got your project idea whatever it is the first step would be to contact our office whether you give me a call in the state office or when our specialist in your area and talk with us about what your project is and we can kind of walk you through the next steps in the application process we've got of course we're government forms but we've got we've got some forms that will have you fill out excuse me tell us a little bit more about the project in some cases if it's a especially if it's a new library we look at kind of a feasibility study that would have been done and in a lot of cases if you've worked with an architect that that will have pieces of what they've done and you get a feasibility muted I think it may have finished what I'm saying can you have more than one project this year you you you yeah you technically you can I would say if you got ideas for more than one project that they're at the same location I would suggest kind of trying to wrap them into one application but if if you're a and I don't know if this is a case for any of these communities but if you've got maybe multiple sites or something that you're looking at we can we can look at that as multiple applications but we can we can look at multiple sites with one application as well so it's probably easiest to put everything in as one application but if for some reason you just can't do that we can we can look at more than one application from an applicant in any given year is there a web address for the USDA website or yeah there there there is I'm trying to think the easiest way to get to the application materials what I would suggest is is talking with somebody on staff and they can get the information to you rather than going out because you can't find that the application is kind of a two-page thing and it just kind of less how much are you asking for and a few other it is available online yeah if you go to the USDA rural developments yeah that'll take you to yeah that'll take you to the the state's website and which will give you a link to the national website as well so you could use the end bit of his email address here and e.usda.gov to get you started for searching around or like you said give a phone call to them and just they can send it to you I think we already answered this question if these projects need to be shovel ready and no they they don't and kind of there's kind of a continuum there I think by by the end of September we want to be close to shovel ready we want to have you know if it's if it's a new library project for instance we would need to have have those plans available by then you don't have to necessarily be ready to to break ground at that time but we would at least need to have a design done and some cost figures in place so we could we could determine how much yeah well it's we know how much we're looking at as far as funding goes it's tough to make a a promise to fund something when we're when we're just talking you know general numbers we need to be able to get a little bit more specific now that doesn't mean once we get to that point and and we we obligate to funds for a project and when something happens and and cost goal for that doesn't mean we can't make some changes then at that point and provide some additional funding but we need to be to that to that point where we we have a pretty good idea of what we're talking about as far as the size of the project because of mh i however because so many students qualify for just free lunches I find it hard to see how that's something Jolene is in our or for office she's our community program specialist there and it may be that census that census information for your community shows the mh i and it may be that that you it's not that you don't qualify for the funding but you may not qualify for grant funding but again we can take a look at at that and see if there's some other you know pieces of information that we can find that demonstrates that that mh i really is inaccurate and and so we can we can talk with you a little bit more about that but it's I guess I don't know what the community is and I don't know what their mh i is so it's it's hard to say for certain yeah it really is a case by case basis because there have to be in a well accredited library established first I guess you guys are no there wouldn't be no mission whether libraries are credit or not sure what funding we give them sure no it wouldn't have to be an accredited library you know we'd love to see a new library started somewhere where there was a library before I that may be a little tougher to get done in the timeline that's required but that's you know we'd be more than happy to work with you on that and I guess I have no idea what's involved with accreditation there how long of a process that is but I don't think it's really gonna matter to us if a library is accredited as long as it's available to the public for use that's really important to us there may be communities out there that are have been thinking for a while about we need a library or we're kind of doing it sort of at somebody's house sure storefront and we really you know never had the nothing pushed us enough to be able to do our own building but oh now we just discovered this thing sure so they're yeah oh that absolutely we'd love to see love to see a project like that come through if there's a community that's kind of at that that tipping point where they're they're ready to move forward and have a stand-alone library and I guess what I the other thing I should mention is it doesn't necessarily have to be a stand-alone library if there is a another public building and the library is a portion of that building for instance if you've got a city hall that's got a small why I don't know if there are any communities that are that work it that way that have a small library and sure and and those those we can look at as well they don't have to be a standalone building so we could certainly look at that yeah exactly any further questions it looks like we I've got through all the ones that we're on here we have a few more minutes if anybody has any other questions we've remuted people it didn't look like a lot of people were using the microphones and it was causing from what I've been told a little bit of static and feedback and whatnot when I get to everyone so anything else right if you don't have anything right now that's fine you've got tries contact info there you can email or call him of course with any follow-up questions you may have as I said this the PowerPoint that we just went through here will be posted up on the Commission's slide share account so you'll have access to that oh did you want to look at that PDF oh yeah that's right yeah we'll I guess put that out there as well they can access it this is just a one-page kind of fact sheet on the library initiative that's that's available that we talked about it has just kind of a few bullet points about what what you can do with the funds who's eligible and this is something that if you've got you know library board members or others that that weren't able to listen if you'll be able to access this and print off a couple copies and ensure that with others or even you know email it on to other folks but again the the area office contact information is down there in the corner as well depending on where you're located you can you can contact our specialists in those areas who can work with you as well and we'll be putting this PDF up on the recording out as well so you'll be able to download it from the Commission website and use it as you want to promote this to people thank you all very much for letting us come and talk to you about the program I hope that you've got some project ideas in mind or at least we've kind of got the wheels turning maybe and in some heads out there as what's what you might like to see happen and please give us a call and or send us an email or get in contact with us some way and we'll try to work with you to see if we can help you get your project completed okay well thank you very much I think that'll wrap it up to even just that's coming through they said contact Troy for any other questions you may have the recording of this we put up on our website probably by tomorrow we'll see I hope you'll join us next week our next week's end compass live will be the year of you and compass live is actually a year old now a little over a year now that we're in February and I'm going to be doing a session just highlighting some of last year's interesting topics that we had and maybe some updates on some of them things have changed since we actually did our live session so hopefully join us for that next Wednesday on that thank you very much for attending and we'll see you next time bye