 Your broadcast. The broadcast is now starting. All attendees are in listen-only mode. Okay, so that is video equipment. Basically just a potpourri of other stuff that you might include. Audio production is kind of important. We talked about GarageBand a second ago, and we'll probably go into more detail about that. Knitting is an old standby, and then jewelry making is interesting as well. And that works really well with repurposed items and some of those household donations to kind of create something from existing parts. So in order to use most of this stuff, you will need computers. And this is where I think your preparation would come into play. Computers of course vary widely in terms of price, but you need to consider what you'll get with each machine, especially if you're doing a makerspace sort of activity. Not to pitch you on any particular device, but a lot of Apple's machines include software for audio and video production like GarageBand. There's an iMac program for video, and that's kind of just included with your price of your machine, so you don't have to go out and find other programs. So that might make it a little more appealing to pay that $1,200 to get an Apple computer. If you don't want to do that, there are free programs out there that you can use like Audacity for Audio Editing, it's great. I use that to transcribe or convert a bunch of local history at my last library and put it up on the web and it did a great job of cutting out the noise and making things much more clear. There are a ton of video editing programs for free that you can use. AVIDMux is just the one that I found first, but there are many others. These aren't going to be as complex as your paid products, but they do the job effectively. One thing to keep in mind with computers after you've selected your devices is to make sure that they have the appropriate ports. CNC routers need a port like this to work. If you just have a machine that has USB ports and VGA ports and stuff like that, it will not work with your router. Your router has to have a parallel port. Anything else will transmit information too quickly or too slowly to the machine and the motors will struggle to catch up or get ahead of time or something like that. Let's go through the process of how to select an item and hopefully our boat is getting close to done. I picked the first 3D printer that I found and it's this Lowell Spot Task 5, which is just over $2,000. It won some award for Make Magazine, and as I've said, Make is pretty much synonymous with maker spaces. That definitely speaks to its quality, but if I want to do a little more research before I buy it, I can go out to Amazon and just punch in my Lowell Spot Task 5, go to the item and click on it. Again, it's got the price there for me, but I've got reviews also answered questions on the Amazon page, which can be really helpful. It talks about the bed arriving warped or the software that you might use, and they talk about Google Sketchup. If you're looking to get everything you need in order for your device, it's a good idea just to check the Amazon page, I think. It'll tell you what's frequently bought with your device, so you'll be able to see the kinds of filament that's frequently purchased in tandem with the printer. Once you've gotten all that information, you can head out to Reddit, and let me get back and start the GIF over again. I go to Reddit, I look up Lowell Spot Task 5 in my search box there on the main page, and they have a variety of search results here, so Lowell Spot Task versus MakerGear versus Ultimaker. If I go into one of the discussions, I can view all the information that's available, and some of this stuff is coming from people who have used this frequently and are experienced users, so it can be really helpful. I would recommend that you, of course, research before you purchase, look at what other libraries are doing, focus on your staff. It can be helpful if you have enough staff that one person is responsible for one device. That's ideal, probably. And then just use the internet to get information beforehand and fix issues that might arise. This is a dog with 3D printed wheels, so that's interesting. And this is the latest poll that I could find on the sorts of devices that are being used in makerspaces and libraries, and at the very top is computer workstations. You need computers to run almost anything in a makerspace, other than knitting or some of the robotics kits tend to run on apps on phones and things like that. 3D printing is way up at the top, and there are also photo editing, video editing, and so on, and it just goes through the list. This is actually the first page of a three-page chart, so there are all kinds of things happening in library makerspaces. So that's the end of the PowerPoint. I finished early, but we are going to do some other stuff, so on the handout that I gave you, let's just skip over question two. Go on to question three and four. So now that we've talked about makerspaces and you've heard about what devices are available, would you like to keep your original answer for number one or switch it up or something else? So just bring your new choice, if you have a new choice online, read. Okay, when you're done, we'll start doing the group stuff here. So I basically created this chart that has a random number between $500,000 and $1,500,000 or $15,000 for our budget. I thought what we could do is just put together some items, see how much it might cost and how much we can get for our money and create our imaginary makerspace. So we're starting at the top here with $5,393. And if you guys don't object, I can just take your suggestions or the choices that you want and we'll plug them right into the chart. Let me bring up my browser so we can look up cost. So do you want to start? I was just starting a makerspace. I would not buy a 3D printer to start with. Why not? I would buy, because it's just one thing. And if I only have $2,000 and my thing costs $2,000, I mean I would like one, but I would start with some smaller stuff first to get people in the door. And then maybe after I've gotten some kids interested in it, then maybe the next year go and do a... Because I'm a school and so I could say I had $2,000 every year that I was going to put into my makerspace. I would start out with easier to use stuff and build my group of kids that were interested and then I would go out and do bigger stuff. So something like a circuit board kid or something like that? Yeah, I do. I have the Lego things and the iRobot things. I think I'd add like a makey makey, one of the different things like that to add on to see where I'm going with it. That's a really good idea. And those are under $50, so if you needed multiple kids. Right, so you can get a lot of variety. I've also wanted to do the duct tape stuff. So you could buy $100 worth of stuff. You could do so many different things the first time, the first year you were doing it. We'll go ahead and add that to our chart here. Let's say makey makey kids, five of those is about $250. So we still got $5,000 left. Sina, I understand what she's saying, because I did wait to see something because it was more money, lower issue, not everything. We got two printers for under $500 at Christmas time. It was an XYZ. I talked to the ESU about it and they said, well, do you want a really big one? And I said, if I was in a classroom, yes, that's what I want. This is not a classroom situation. This is more. So I went on to Amazon and had a watch and sat on it and so on. And then at Christmas time, they had a watch that was pretty good knowledge. And they're new quality printers. Like I said, I went to the ESU guy and said, he goes, yes, he said, well, what you're doing, if you were going to print every day, all day, no, that's not what we do. Again, as I was talking, I can't, space wise, I can't have it all day. So we only do it a couple of times after school. He said, in that situation, totally fine. And so, yeah, I mean, when I got to a working night, like I said, I got a bunch of them. But, you know, and again, I understand what you're saying too, but to me it was also, well, I might as well have it because it'll get them started and interested in that price. I couldn't go, you know. Yeah. Are you using the program that came with the printer to design? Hardly, yeah. Like I said, we got it towards the end of the year. And, of course, one of them came with the piece out anyway until it showed up. So we were behind both on that. Yes, we were. And that's my thing is when I'm trying to get the kids to do their own programming to learn a part of it. I want to hear you print, you know. I think I've heard of Sam. Right. But that's not the point of this. Right. You learn these skills. Absolutely. Well, does anyone else have some suggestions? We still have a lot of money to spend. Well, I had that much money. I had spent a couple thousand dollars on a 3D printer. Okay. 2,000. I had a grant through our ESU-9, and so I got $5,000 worth of things. And I wanted to do the education thing. And so I did that. And here I also wrote a grant for my little iRobots. Our Chamber of Commerce had a thing that was how, you know, we want you to get equipment that will help people in their career, you know, Chamber of Commerce. So I sent the little thing on the iRobots. And it was like maybe two years ago was when I did that. And he sent a letter to me and said, we can see no practical application to any of this with anyone's jobs. And I talked to my tech guy, you know, the district tech guy and he's like, they have no idea what's going on in the world. I mean, they don't see what coding would have anything to do with getting a job. I bought my iRobots five times what I bought. And I think 10 of them. And they were like maybe $40 a piece. If I bought 10 of them, they were less expensive. I think that would be good. iRobots, okay. Just out of curiosity, how do you code those? Do they use Blockway? They do use Block, but you can use, I mean, depending on the kid, you can use Block and they have like a free use with it. But you can also do just the straight coding too. Okay. So it depends on your it depends on your kid. So if one of my little hackers are in there, you know, if it's like a kid that knows nothing, those dragon drops were real easy. Especially if they already did code.org and they went through the whole dragon drop stuff. I would also I would also I would also I would also I would also Yeah, let's see. Actually, I'm gonna see how much a GoPro runs these days. I think it's around 150. Well, yeah, that's what we should do. Let's go with the 180 model. We're swimming in money. What else do you have? I'll be honest with you. A lot of the stuff here that looks safe if you want and you need to we need to do some of this. And also if we need any like I'm noticing you have a by the way our boat is heavy. If you have, you know, you have the toothbrush up there. Which you know, and the scraper, you don't need that stuff. You know, so lack of a better term maybe a little kid Well, some do. We got the scraper but you'll find that we ended up getting another, a different one too because you may need a different, yeah. But there's things like that you don't know about to get them and use them. I could have used GoPro camera has lights and a tripod. GoPro is very, very small so I mean it's maybe to size. You can also get a vloggy or a pan of five because that's what we use in college and they have, you got a tripod so students can do their own speeches or have someone if they're doing a speech they can be in the way they can be in. A good microphone is always good too if you're going to do any vloggy stuff. I have some of those snowballs those are great. I love those. And they're cheap too. I don't know, 89 bucks or so for them and they're hard to lose because they're bigger they're not like the little you can walk out. Yeah. They can but it's just very blatantly obvious. What is that? Okay, so Panasonic camera is about 2000. Well I don't know we don't have that one thousand. I go for two I think like she was saying depending upon you can get a helmet try five like that so depending on what you want to do listen to that you might want to have some what are called extras with that okay. They usually saw one of the kids some of them had a good vibe of the kids and called kids you can get a green screen really cheap you can just order a big piece of fabric I don't know I ordered I've had mine for quite a while but for like 120 bucks you can have a huge piece of fabric that you can just string up or staple to the wall at the top of it I have like a little a curtain pod thing that lights on one thing again we get a lot is big headphones we don't use buds but perhaps for the kids who are doing the garage band it's like that are outstanding but it's also for them to make it on the hero better too so at least a couple of those could be good okay that takes us down to close to a thousand dollars and we don't have a computer yet so maybe we could assume that that's fine tables yeah chairs so we managed to get a lot for about five thousand dollars our printer 3d printer is kind of the centerpiece item and then our expensive camera comes after that but otherwise we can grab a lot of different equipment for pretty reasonable price so you can start by scratch with that to get the table to absolutely see that's what I was saying when I walked in I was like these tables that's part I really meant that that's part of it with our maker spaces again I do too much too many people not enough space that you've got there's more tables here and the ability the biggest thing is to be able to move depending on what work do you mean like I have a okay I don't know why but my family decided to get a car so Christmas time anyway I have a maker space and the kids use them and I can see them using the GoPro on it but I'm just saying they use them all the time so it would be nice to get them out of the tables out of the way but our tables are so big it's a bulky amount it takes like 2 seconds to throw things at all and yeah there are always lots of considerations for this kind of thing furniture, ventilation plugs, lighting so it's not just buying stuff or it's a plug to the right spot too that's part of it too because we have enough for 27 computers but where they're located we have two of these together just to be able to get to that again I blow a breaker when I plug in the coffee there's always that too well I guess our vote is done so let's see oh and actually the extruder is cooling down I won't be able to do anything until it's cold so I did bring something else for you guys I don't know if you've seen it already cardboard have you seen it? oh I have seen it, yeah they're cool well this is $20 it's literally a piece of cardboard if you start done in there up here the library you can use your phones I don't want to tell you you have to wear headphones somebody knew it I've done it actually I started knocking on the clip and screamed it was on my daughter's house everyone too my niece loves the scary one my niece was screaming at the scary one too from what she said they surprised their friends with it there's one spot where a monster jumps out and they make them watch that scene I know there's like a middle school teacher that has some of those and they use it for there's different tours and stuff that you can go on so her kids are using it in class and every other kid has a smart phone I mean you can use that stuff if there's a Christmas button oh okay there's a slide it's underneath isn't it alright I want to check out it's fun in a party it's like customary it puts you over to something else it's got a demo so maybe why it's less robust would you like to see it okay alright if you guys would like to come up we can see if we'll get this off on the ground oh ordinary they look good that's cute and is that why it's longed up then it's because you've got to screw them up yeah that's the rule of your hands so does that then make it fun even so when you do a project it's going to cool after you print something you have to wait for the bed to cool down otherwise it's a plastic so I think in the early stages we have to be kind of forcing stuff off the road and you can't well, not as solid as it would be that's my set that's all pretty good idea that would be bigger actually you don't have to use the tweezers here to try to get underneath and then pry it up they don't send tweezers but see that would be a good thing so did you make cookie counters yes and this is one of the failed experiments so it was supposed to be an android and his head sort of detached all that day yeah not very light then yeah we could build a house too absolutely you guys if you wanted to do it I thought we could download a model and then make some changes to it or something like that I will send you an email that has the video, the handouts and some other stuff as well so yes and no yes this is an R&D it sounds like you have incorporated it in a class and yes we have industrial technology and there's much hey there's wood oh this is a nail because again I'm talking middle school in some cases I've never seen a hammer and a nail and literally I'm not exaggerating you know our kids are an engineering class they're using pad and they use berry sophisticated stuff that your average high school kid is not going to have that much experience and I can see you're going to have to maybe have some of those basics some of those things like you are maybe going to have to go to quote.org and have it open in a free website you go it can be self taught that I need people to know about this like how to do the block coding and all that kind of stuff well one of the things too is like for you guys for 90% of your people and not there what I did when we did code.org in the school I gave them a month to do it it's do on your own if you need help with it then you get contact people I mean I had kids that were trained and then I gave out prizes the district had the year before they had given for like staff appreciation they had given little cherry berry cards $5 cherry berry card well they had 25 of them left over so I was like enter print off your thing that says that you completed this you can email like to me do whatever and then we just drew out of that 25 kids who completed the thing and I know it's crazy I mean high school kids are just like elementary they don't do anything for like a stupid prize dollar tree or something you know whatever a usb phone charger thing or anything like that or ear buds or anything and they'll be like oh my gosh this is the greatest thing I've ever seen have we ever you know could they want to enter any contents they want enter contents or if they have more than $25 they don't even come up I think we have two people enter contents that we already have you know just we have to see and I think that's where you guys too you can sell the idea why some of this stuff is needed why you would never need coding yes why ever I know you're going but I know when you're dating when we did code.org we had computer teachers on board with that too so they had as many kids who could have time in between their assignments and all of our computer apps one where they do different things so a lot of those kids did it because you know it's like it's an hour of code some people it'll take 15 minutes to do some people it'll take 8 hours to do it just depends on your how comfortable you are with the computer I mean when I first did it I have problems like with right and left and so when I'm doing that code no that was left no that was right but I'll have like kids that will sit down there and go beep beep beep beep beep beep it's done immediately so it depends on but anybody can do it it just will take longer for one person or for another person it's an online thing to just say it's online and the initial part is it's mostly better for kids guys with you they did frozen and you know there is the Star Wars one but if you go a little further into the website they actually have full classes that you could take the coding so you know and it's free it's just like a thing to like if you'll have some kids those 300 kids that did at 80 to 50 and those kids were like this is it and then they start playing with the websites and then you give them other websites to work on stuff and those are your kids they're in a rule of world in five years for now you know they're going to be the kids that know how to do that with the Rustic Lesoth are still trying to move the little VVH thing with our fingers just again but that's the thing is too is that I think when you go that side or do other things like this it's a whole different way of thinking and I think for those of us at a certain age it's like like she said the left right you don't have that certain stuff in front of because it's literally what it is walking to this like he showed on the screen there are different colors but it's literally you have the character and you have it here and then you have to call it to churn and you go so many paces you have to tell it you know we just assumed they're going to do it you're like no I don't have to tell them to go left or right or whatever I need some little girls who's four years old did the frozen coding thing in like an hour she's four years old wow I love the math one the math see right there okay can you be there you know in your you know area that could do some of that get people to I don't think it's time to do it myself I don't know I mean there's little videos and kids can watch the videos and do it you know you don't have to be the expert at everything you figure this out but I mean there are some kids that will do them yeah do you have any students there you go did I have I'm having fun right now you know you work your long time so yeah I have some of their computer students they probably be in the right direction and actually if you're doing this stuff with the robotics kits it might be a little bit easier to render this kind of thing because it's not necessarily math it's more turn left and go 10 steps and turn right a little more straight forward but I just I'm just just presence on the campus you don't have the body well one of the things that we still talk about students we do well I think that's really interesting because they don't get people into the library you know they can do all of that at home and I granted I know you have to have a large majority of a lot of international whatever you have to get I want to come to the campus at the university and at my university they're all they come in they start and then they they're transferred out so they don't finish they do it online right they try to think of but again they can do a lot of this at home online and then you can say to bring it in on your flash drive or whatever sign up you can come in at this point to print it or whatever I think though where most of your students aren't there how many students are actually coming in you know how many students are actually there that you interact with or is there a certain number of students that you would like to start interacting because it don't help well that's one of the most important engagement and we find that as students come into the library and they go to the computers they know you just want to be left alone you know you just want to be left alone you just want to do this and I'm gone alright chocolate chip cookies you have to go speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo speedo I mean is there any way that you can get yourself out there well that's what we want to do yeah we do a organization library instruction yeah go out there do your same students come in and try to feel you know a certain one you know you can do it do you have like a community area where you can come in and study or work on projects or comfortable places we have study rooms we have classrooms they're joy, it's just yeah well one of the big ones now is that community space where people want to come in and study for some time they can celebrate this just come areas so we're just trying to figure out well and you know maybe you can look at a little more the word but the do space have been oh hot I'm just saying that the whole thing behind that is for people in the community which is different but it's a chance for people think of an NPR do you guys see this there's a really big thing on NPR on the website but they have people there and they talk about how there were two or three guys there that said this is our business we come here once twice a week and this is my job I come in here to use this material because I can't afford a 3D printer because we use this and this is my place and one of the guys I've been talking about how I like to do people because I can bounce ideas off of some guy here and we share and there's not really a competition but a chance to help each other without and if maybe there's some way you can kind of tie that kind of atmosphere which is bringing in the community space but also bringing in a bigger space concept where you're saying business classes you can't tell me that they don't make them do some projects like that could you or they do right so that's what I'm saying pull those guys in and I realize again some of the classmates might be bringing in your whole face time year or whatever year but if you have some of these things available where you have to show us a working part of the project or something sorry I'm trying to break it no thank you so that was a really cool thing I do all sorts of students during finals I have donuts and coffee I do grades and ham and Dr. Seuss's birthday I'm a high school those kids volunteer to do those things I think that's the thing we just do all sorts of we have random drawing put this in to win a ducky and I'll have half of the school population will run in and put their name in for that game oh that doesn't happen I'll be sick for that in insta yeah we do this instagram what is easier taking pictures of yourself for two people you have to have a special hashtag that's a stick I have a staff member and this is this is open to all mom and people do they get an email telling you about what's going on communication communication so your people probably we have everywhere twitter and we still have both two people basically parents what's going on what time is it okay never mind that's national language people that was a photo of yourself reading I must read you I find smart you've got two people well I had to you know catch you reading things so I go around and if there's kids reading I take pictures of them and I post them in the library and put them on the website see it now I'm going to read with your clientele instead of 25 dollars what if you use that I have something like that yeah I love that that's another topic yeah so oh no problem no problem so do you guys after hearing all this think that a maker space would work in your particular library or would it be a challenge I think mine's working okay I just want to get more people involved in it I think that for us it's something that we don't have to try we don't want to try something that works that works right reading space reading taller things because they can take you and we well this is what I'm going about we have a tutor center we have what they call a transitions lab and and then now they're re-modeling part of the library the area that's but it's not a library they're taking that space and turning it into a student success area that would be off the R area any more and so where is this space there's arguments because I wanted to have a maker space I wanted to have an American student in there and we have this constant this week we've had Americans coming with their cables all over the library and it's the final speech and we had five rooms and helping we go to these other rooms and study there just a library and it's just crazy and it seems like they're always looking around doing stuff in the library so when I worked in the public library and our director did something really good at annoying a lot of people so that's why they've done me the size of the library he just kept extending he'd say okay our children's section is now going to be over in the adult section too because we don't have enough room for that and you know he if people are you just start doing your stuff you put in your maker space sorry you can't use this because we have people use it you don't ever have anything there that they're going to think oh I can take that we have stuff there we have plenty of stuff there they just took me plans and said well what do you think about these plans they didn't say we want to do this it was just a plan to do this it's the argument is always we're short on space and SCC hopes to have a bond issue to expand but not all of it that's not a good thing I know I'll go back to I said Bob I don't let him talk on there I let him text but if you know both kids don't talk on the phone anyway they text on their phone and I every once in a while somebody needs to call their boss or something like that I'm like yeah go over in that corner and do whatever or if it's my mom calling I need to talk to her yes but they listen to their music you don't have any problem they let people text listen you don't have to talk and we have like one area that's more of a free for all area and we have a more quiet area over here so you know if you're working together with friends and you're whatever you're going to be over in this area if you're trying to have perfect silence and quiet you're going to be over here and that's you know you have you have to study so we have to do it's going to be everybody people just need to get used to it libraries they're not going to be quiet if they want it to be quiet tell them to put their heads up however sure you know in your environment you can say that it's almost that the next thing they can write to the president to the president you know they're paying for their education I didn't pay for my education I should have the other people are paying for their education too I mean you may be keeping more people out because it has to be quiet so the people you're keeping in because they want it to be quiet that's just one thing but that's what you have the study rooms for either for the easy going people to go on the study rooms or the quiet people yeah so you try to work out oh it's funny because we lost part of the library for a group classroom I hope that's my one shared one but I said when will I get back and they were like well as soon as we built it I said so in two years we promised people I'm going to look at them face to face yes and kiss you and then they only built a partial home there so about the first for the top 4 feet is open so what they do and they know what we do the one thing she came in she goes it's really noisy yeah it's a library and she's like she might be dead quiet and I'm like it's a library she hasn't been to the library and I said what are you expecting I said that again perfectly we don't let it scream and yell but we don't keep it quiet unless we're doing a special testing or something we don't and so like I'm saying I don't think they understand that this is more of an interaction and I think it's very important that staff themselves it's helpful to teach people what how how we're like there's no one in here talking on the phone is that like something that's in charge of director or something no these are students oh yeah that's crazy I know if you ever asked the I'm not sure you can I just wonder what do they want what do you like survey like what do you want as I said I'm sure that once they come to the library or quiet place to get away with the kids or whatever I understand that I come to work but and then other people you see each other after class you know it's just sometimes it's kind of nice when our athletes come in we've got some athletes there they're young they're easy-growing do you guys like work with faculty you know are you have good relationships with people our problem is listening to adjuncts that we teach in my class we don't know they get genuinely positive right cheaper much cheaper so that's the going on the time that's great we really are talking about just trying just you know notice they just heard you say seriously coffee I don't think that would necessarily I love in Hastings they have Hastings College they're doing expensive liberal arts college and the library is great because well they had D.Y.O.S which was the previous person now Susan Franklin is here now but you know when they first when D.Y.O.S came in and she put furniture and she had a comfortable furniture and a television and all of that stuff in there it was like unheard of coffee every morning they do all sorts of things they do like a game night they do a lock in you can stay overnight at the library they have you know you know I just say or whatever it is they're having bring in a themed cookie for blah blah blah they have tons of kids do that stuff but a lot of it they don't have dorms right they have totally different they have like a television in the winter that has the fireplace playing you know some warm well and I was going to say even if you guys talk a little bit you're still very you have the same thing but still don't you still have a lot of kids on campus do you have a lot of kids that come to campus in the commuter college in our apartment building but I'm still going to see again when these guys are saying that they have less than or only 10% that actually come to campus that's a huge here again how do we you know a lot of this stuff and I don't mean this because that's what Makerspace is supposed to be it's supposed to be in this where I mean we'll work to move in next five years to increase it so that would be helpful and it helped you well they moved when they were separate it was W Legion they had Makerspace on the 70th street you know it's an SCC and so they had a grand opening for their little area so they moved their office space over to SCC for our office months oh one more yeah exactly but I'm going to be hiding now I'm going to put this on thank you they used to have offices that was acting the future day my daughter made one of those hoverboards and everybody could get their picture taken but then I'm surprised at your kids and I'll be just surprised at you I say that to some of the kids like oh don't you report to the future oh gosh I forgot I'm old you're not you have no clue what I'm talking about I'm in a doctor who TARDIS and you open it and there is a whole collection of doctor who's what crazy you can't even imagine all the crazy doctor who's there on high school the elementary school yeah I mean it's just like you gotta have a gimmick sometimes to get them in there but as I say you just said though that you're talking about those five years they wanted double yeah I also say maybe this is your way of you know if you guys can get it started it doesn't have to be different like this year but you know down the road if you're putting that in so that as they do this that you're there to TARDIS that bring it in and again if you couldn't work with you can find me on some faculty members but you know even do that like I said to me it sounds like this idea is maybe a little more relevant to what it is you know you know what I mean here that you can get kids together because you know like the makey makey you know what they were going to tell you I'm just saying those two guys were probably sitting together some night in the dorm or at the bar over a beer hey what are the game of those machines that they have or the little go-vots that they have and they use it for kids they use a marker it's the color and you can make a piece of paper and you can make a plan and tell them what the robots to do you put them over and you follow it and it leads to a new color I don't know what does that yeah these were these are tiny little you can't think of it and by the way Barnes & Noble they have a ton of this and they'll give you a 10% discount or more anytime our industrial tech kids made a drone they printed a drone on their 3D printer that's impressive you can put 3D printers you can kind of see it right there to be honest with you that would be huge at your level you can print a drone you can have a drone now the question comes in what are the laws that have to do with it why is it that basically in Lincoln, Nebraska you can't fly a drone because we're within 5 miles from the airport so there's airspace so I'm just saying now my kids are probably going to be like huh but at your level they're going to be like why can't we do this what are the repercussions what about the guy who shot one out of the air because it was hovering over and his daughter was flying out it's a critical thinking that would be I'm just saying that could be something really cool that you could I just want a drone to fly around the library my library has really tall ceiling and isn't there a rule about that not inside there is because we have an issue they can't fly in the gym I don't know if it has to do with space but that's what I'm saying well I'm not going to tell anybody well no I would tell them I'm just saying that this is also cutting edge our laws are trying to catch up and what's going on so that could be such a cool class or a cool teenager you know something