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Yeah, I've been in LA this whole time, man, for real. So you are you because that night when you had that interview, you said you was leaving. Did you leave and just ain't been back till now? Or you've been dipping back in there any time back and forth? Oh, you've been dipping back? I got, you know, I just come in and set a fan every now and then. And then, you know, I pop right there. You ain't got on me, man. Man, I know how you. I had to reach out to you. Man, come on, bro. I don't even have a look. You know, hey, look, you know, I'm liking and commenting all day, man. No, you always rock with me. Thank you so much, man. But I definitely reached out because I was like, man, we ain't sat down in a minute. And last time we kind of was, you know, we had a lot going on. I wanted to get you back in here, man. What did you mean? What did you think about this guy, man? Because he was a basketball conversation, modeling conversation going on, man. He is in the right place. I'm going to ask you about that writer strike, all kind of stuff going on in LA. I got to get with you about that because we can get into it now. Like, like what what is that temperature? Like, like everybody, I mean, face on love, call me. He was like, man, you see the writer strike? I say, yeah, what's up with the writer strike, man? He say that because people are not getting recognized for their craft, man. They're not paying these guys, man. And they trying to stream stuff and it's to change the temperature thing. Let's talk about that a little bit. Like, what is this transition like far as when you from your perspective? Yeah, man, just being on the like the inside of the industry, like me actually living in LA, living in Hollywood is actually it's crazy experience because you got to understand the people I'm surrounded with, number of influencers and creatives. So every single person I'm with is either going to be an actor, a model, a musician. And if they're not, they're behind the scenes. So what's that production? That's the cameraman, right? So everyone has a hole to be affected. You know what I'm saying right now? Yeah, like, I remember just a couple of weeks ago when I was at a good friend of mine, she does a lot of work. I ain't gonna say the TV show. She do a lot of work. But like, just how the pace is slowed down. And it's like, they're on the fence of like, well, I support it because we do need higher wages. This is the talent. This is the production. But then she's like, I'm not eating. But then when he's mentioned that to me, I'm like, the people to me that will be hurt more are the people that are trying to climb up the ladder and make a name for themselves. But the people who've been doing it for a while, who have all those residuals coming in and all of that, they have money coming in. You understand what I mean? Of course, yeah, it's hurting a little bit, but it ain't gonna hurt like that. But it's the people who are just now climbing up, who try to make a name for themselves. That's who I see, you know? No, yeah, because I mean, a lot of things is about the industry is like a lot of people don't actually know the details that go into it. So, you know, there's actors out there like myself, right? Like I've done small commercials. I've done a lot of different things like that, but I'm considered non-union. See, there's other actors that want you have to do certain credible things on the IDBU and then that's when you can make it to SAG after and then you can, you know, submit there. But you have to be accepted even be in the SAG. But if you're non-union, you can still be filming and doing all sorts of stuff right now because then I remember Mike Bless was live and he was saying because he's union, that union saying that they can't film, they can't this, they can't that right now. Now, yeah, so they actually it actually worked in my favor, right? I wouldn't be on the control just because I already have agencies and certain things I'm dealing with. So, but yeah, on that aspect of it, like they're in the union. If the union is fighting against these people, you're not working. Exactly. Yeah, that is a rough spot to be in. Yeah, because they're fighting for the rights. You know, I haven't seen that happen in years. No, year. And it's I mean, this isn't a two or three month thing. It's been the whole year. Right. This whole entire year has been been. Yeah, but it but they have never struck. When was the last time you heard a strike? Oh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't laugh. OK, so wouldn't you think that it would be about time for the people for them to step up and say, hey, we need changes? No, I mean the thing. Yeah, I mean, I honestly agree with you because I've been on the back end. I've seen talent complain. You know, and the thing is, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I've seen talent that's done some of the biggest gigs or bigger shows in the world, but you're living in the toughest world and, you know, toughest spot in the United States. You know, so it's almost like give or take. You know what I mean? But for writers who are striking to me, just like you said, actors and so forth are being affected. But if writers are not writing, they're not making money either. So people who strike and stand up for their rights. They're also, yes, you stand up, but they can only stand up for so long because it goes to where they win. That's typically where they win because, you know, one, most shows they have already had seasons already been filmed, you know, so they can sit back and like, all right, we'll let them strike. And then another thing about the industry, people don't think about it. There's always someone trying to climb to get into it, you know, so they might be able to pay someone less just for another opportunity. Everybody out there really, you know, they're for opportunity. OK, so between the acting, modeling and you do music as well. Yeah, 100 percent. Which field do you love the most? Love the most. I'm not I'm just probably say, you know, I love modeling, you know, because it's like I'm big on fashion. And that's just something that was just real organic for me. You know, I am really in tune with the music, but I'm also a smart person. So I know it's business behind music. So yeah, I could go spend X amount again and then, you know, give you these videos and things like that. But at the same time, I want to curate a team to really properly give it to my audience. That's kind of what I'm, you know, what industry makes the most? Honestly, speaking, I'm not going to lie. I probably would say for me or you saying this is just for you for you. Oh, I definitely say modeling, modeling. Yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah, sports was good, though. It was great if I would have continued on, you know, but once I got in the modeling of sports, you need sports, you have to think about injuries and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah. And then being away, I'd have to be over an overseas basketball player. So that's just something that, you know, it wasn't ever my ultimate dream. You know, I want to NBA or a boss. What's the hardest thing in is modeling like hard on your body? I wouldn't say something honestly. Me personally, just just with me naturally being someone who works out and stays fit, that's why I feel like it was such a normal fit for me. You know, it's not like I got to go stay fit for modeling. Like I'm staying fit. I'm a model, you know, so I wouldn't say it's too hard on your body. But I can't lie. I actually did get hurt my last set. How actually just finished up the 24 hour fitness national campaign. That was just a few months ago. Some of the stuff's been out. It's been on buses, some websites and in the gyms and everything. But on one portion of it, you got modeling, right? It's also sports and fitness. So everything you're doing in different categories of model. Exactly. So some people might see the print, which is the actual pictures of stuff you see on the wall. That's print, but then there's also going to be the commercial part. That's why people want to book a campaign because you're getting commercial, you're getting catalog, you're getting web, you're getting print all in one. That's when you make a lot of money. Yeah, but you can do that because you're taller because I remember you have certain people who will say, well, you're just a photo model because you're shorter, but you can make you look taller. You can make you sort of mean, but you can't be runway because you're shorter. Runway is really on the requirements. Right. So what happened? How did you hurt yourself? Oh, like I was saying on the commercial part, I had to do a dunk and it's real live. Like they don't lower the goals. They don't, you know, anything, you know, so it was kind of how the camera was set up because I had to get warm. I'm not gonna lie before I got my first, you know, three. So I missed the second one in the third one. I got hung, fell on the camera and they tumbled on top of me. So I'm not going to lie. It was kind of, it was kind of rough on me, you know. But those things happened though. It happens. Yeah, it happens. And it's like, I'm going to give my all, you know? So, you know, it was cool. They iced me up. They bought me a Thera gun. They really pampered me. So I don't need to worry about much. That's dope. Because, well, that's good that you told me the different kinds. Because when people think about modeling, they're just thinking about runway. Because that's like the most popular type of modeling. Exactly. And that gives you a lot of press, but there's print. There's catalog, there's sports and fitness. There's a runway, like we said, there's also lifestyle. There's promo modeling. Would you say the most, when I'm thinking about it, the hardest thing that I would think a model would have to do would be, especially if you're a popular, well-paid, well-booked model, is to get sleep. Oh yeah. Because you would be going from venue to venue, from shoot to shoot, be moving around, flying out, doing this, doing that. And you still got to look fresh. Every time, like there's not a moment where, no, you got to cook. How hard is that? I'll say it, I look at that as maintenance, you know, maintaining, you know what I mean? Like drink the right teas, eat the right food to keep your body up, the mask, all of that sort of stuff. Because you know, my first thing, I'm an athlete, you know? So I'm a signed model now, I'm hanging out with model agents and they're telling me like, hey, can you clip in your nails and clean your nails? And I'm like, oh, I just left the gym. You see? So it was a big transition for me, because I'm just not- Because they look at all of those things. Yeah, and I'm just not that feminine, you know what I mean? You have to get waxed and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah, because I mean, a lot of people don't know about modeling as far as a male model. You're not ever really gonna go look. Like think about this, you'll do this tonight, go see a male model with facial hair. Like there's really not a such thing. Wow. But with that, the good thing you said that, because to me, okay, being a male model, how many people think that you're gay? That's a good question. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't say it comes to me in real life, like, you know, because- No one's gonna say it. No, because there is a stereotype. I don't know- See James was on here. Let's just talk about it. See James was on here and he said he got called out like that all the time. He a model. And he said, you know, that's the first thing they get. They get this stigma about all of the models as being, you know, you know, metrosexual or just, you know what I mean? Because of the fact that they modeling. No, 100%. So, you know- Just like hairstylist, just like male hairstylist. People feel like every single male hairstylist is gay. Well, not everyone of them, but it's few. No, but they think that. No, I haven't seen a few of them there. I mean, they know what they're talking about. They'll tell you. They know what they're talking about. All of them are. See, not all of them are. Yeah, I wouldn't say all of them are. Well, the movies predict them. You remember, baby boy, old boy, I'd say $40, you know, when they were talking. No, but I used to- Yeah, man. Exactly, but I went on, what's the one with Queen Latifah? What's that? It was Beauty Shop. Yeah. Where that guy came in and they thought because he wasn't hitting on all the girls or whatever they thought that he was gay when he wasn't really gay? Yeah, of course. So that is a stereotype. It is a stereotype. And it's the only question that you would ask because I'd have never even thought about it. Yeah, I mean- What other people think about it? I just think there's downsides to being handsome that people don't think about that I've lived through, you know, that, you know, from assumptions that you could be downing out. People are like, oh, he looks good. So he's good. Yeah. You know, that has nothing to do with what I'm going through, you know, but on the stigma, what you said though, like, it's something I had to learn. You know, my transition into modeling was way different to other people's because I was an athlete. So my notoriety came from this big athlete is now modeling. And then it's like, we're doing it at the same time. And then for me to go into Nike, it kind of just all worked out. And then from there, they did try to lock me into that space. But no, I wanted to go like, I wanted to do fashion, I wanted to do runway, you know, so I was able to branch out. So there is a certain space. Yeah, there's a certain, they actually didn't, they didn't even want me to, they didn't want me to ever do no more fashion, like stylish runway. It was like, no, I would just keep Adidas under them. I could have just kept going that route. Right. I didn't want to be locked into that space because you know, who I am. Because certain styles, because when you do them with fashion, especially with men, you have certain clothing that I see they put on some men on these runways. And I'm like... Nah, trust me, I've been back to them shows, I've seen it and it's like, but y'all can go look at all my pictures and you're like, yeah, I've never seen that, right? I'm at the same show. Can you choose? Can you choose and say, no, I'm not wearing that? No. So it's really, honestly, it's like, I guess you really could. You could say, no, I don't really like that look. No, but then it won't book you. Hey, have a go at it. You just think about this key. I think you're telling this designer who probably put his gloves where and tears into that look. You know, like, oh, goodness. Well, what's up with Kanye's clothes, man? Do you, I mean, you know, because he's a billionaire, you know, and he, well, we don't know, you know, they say a billion, some say 90s, I mean, FaZe don't say you can't lose a billion when you got a billion because they have to give you something for the billion. But at any rate, the thing I'm asking you is like, I've seen his clothes, sometimes you don't have, you can't see his face. It's a lot of black and neutral colors. Yeah, well, what's up with that? What do you think about when you think about his whole flow of modeling? I have to tell people this, because they ask me stuff, it's like fashion is a wide, wide, broad. It's art. Yeah, you know, and it's like, there's different sides of it, you know, I try to stay out of certain things because how would I say sensitive? Like, it's a real sensitive life. Well, do you, you could rock with him though. You could wear some of that stuff. I mean, I mean. If the money right? If the money right? If I was going for the shoot, I'm getting it. I'm getting it. But I'm saying if I'm going, if you hit me up with going to a dinner, I might not be in there. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. But the one thing I've always said, okay, when you see, especially runway, and you see them modeling, you know, Paris, all these different shows, and they come out with these crazy designs, I'm like, who gonna wear that in public? Like, wrangling people. For real? For real is gonna wear that in public. But how many people, like a handful of people actually wear that on? Yeah, I mean. A normal basis. And the thing is too, everything you see on a runway is a sample. So everything might not ever make it to a shelf. You know? So that's what a lot of people don't understand it. Those are the little things I had to learn, you know, from doing runway. That everything, that's the requirement side of it. That's why the height, waist, and everything has to be a certain measurement because. So they do it for the model? It's a sample size. Everything is a sample size. They produce these five shirts, these jeans are all gonna be 32 waist. Sample size, that's right. You gotta, you gotta fit that. Same thing we deal with. With the clothing, isn't it? Okay, cause you're male, cause I know females, especially models, they're so much under pressure. A lot of them end up having a lot of disorders, eating disorders because of trying to stay within those sample sizes consistently. Cause women have those hormones and they don't wanna go on those cravings. How real is, I watch movies and you see movies where models be like, oh, all I eat is this, all I can eat is that. You know, as much as I wanna eat that cake, I can't eat that cake. But you are over right now. Is that? Nah, I'm good. That did make me a little hungry though, cause I skipped lunch, you know what I'm saying? But how hard is that? Is that the same for men or is it just totally different for women? I'd say it's a little different. Women, I have seen in that same situation though, you know, just because it's pressures, you know. Honestly speaking, I've seen a lot of people, some of the most beautiful people, handsome, whatever you wanna say, it's like discourage or insecure because once you leave where you're from, where you're being told you're beautiful, it goes every day and you get around everybody who's being told they're beautiful and gorgeous every day. It's like you and the NBA, you know what I'm saying? It's the same thing. So some people ain't dealt with rejection and I ain't gonna lie, me personally, I've dealt with, I mean, I had to get rejected before I got told my first yes, but there's some people that fold under that type of pressure, you know what I'm saying? So honestly, you know, it's... Have you ever had to count some people for stuff like that? Like friends or somebody who can't, cause if you're in a room with a lot of people, somebody might break down and start crying. And did you ever have to like, you know, it's gonna be okay, don't worry about it, da-da-da, cause you been in it? I mean, yeah, I didn't, what? I didn't see, LA is brutal, man. I don't know if people really know the real truth about that. No, people move out there and don't make it. There's people that move back this first month. Sleeping in their car. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's expensive. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen without calling any names or anything like that? What's the craziest thing you've ever seen? Just the craziest thing I've ever seen out there? Yeah. Probably shoot, being in Hollywood, man, right there on the stars, I went to Chick-fil-A. So I was just chilling, man. It was right after the shoot, I was tired. I was in the car. So, you know, I finished and I went there like by LA, as you know what I'm saying? It's obviously legal to cannabis, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. The vibe is just a little different out there. So I was just chilling back and I see a dude, he ran out, he had no clothes on, he just started screaming. So I was like, and the thing I'm talking about, he's right in front of my car though. So I'm just like, man, bro, just not today. The thing is, there's so much stuff happening out there that someone could be screaming, they can't see people don't turn or nothing. Like it's Hollywood, people keep on their business, they just want to make it home. So, you know, luckily he didn't do nothing to my car, but he went and cracked five people windshields. Like, you know, it's street parking. He ran on the back of a truck and the time I barefoot jumped through the roof, I mean through the front windshield with his feet on five different cars and just kept running. So I was like, yo. Wow. That's crazy. You know what I'm seeing, the people from Chick-fil-A ran out cause they hearing stuff, you know, these silence going off. I'm like, you know, so I call my manager like, what's going on? It's a movie out here. Like, there needs to be cameras out here in 24-7, you know? So that was just one of the craziest things that just happened. And it was like, yeah, I like it over there. The first thing you people say, oh, he on drugs. Oh no, I mean, he definitely was. Hollywood, Broadway, it wasn't even nighttime. We were over there last time we was up there actually. We went straight over there, didn't we? Right. Oh yeah, yeah. We love it over there. I just a lot of crazy incidents and stuff like that, you know, that could, that could bring you down. Skid Row, that stuff can bring you down. You know, that's not the most positive stuff out there. Let me get you a lighter note, man. Like when you go out there and you hanging out there and you eating your fat burger and you hanging out with these people and you, what food do you miss in the South, nigga? Cause you can't get it up there. Bruh. I'm country as hell. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm country as hell. Like, and California ain't nothing in the eating. Everyone looks at me like I'm a vulture out there. Everyone's vegan, you know what I mean? That's right, that's right. You know, I won't, you know, give me that meat lover. You know what I see? But something I really do miss, man, is just like fried food in general. In general. A lot of it, but like chicken fried chicken, let's say a country meal like that. Yeah, yeah, like grand. Until white gravy. Granny. I just said, I just said it's only gravy. Grand? They only got it in the hood. That's right, you gotta go over there. You know, California doesn't have white gravy. You got none. No such thing. The brown gravy ever worked? No. Just don't have gravy period. No, they have a little brown, but I remember a little story. When I first moved out there, I was kind of on like, you know, KFC wave. So I get the, you know, country fried chicken, whatever. And I got out there, first thing I went to go order it. And I was like, you know, with white gravy. They was like, what is that? I was like, what you talking about? Is that cream gravy or whatever? They was like, no, only have brown and salsa. Cause see, it's the different culture out there. What about, I mean, root is chicken, you know, you come here, you eat root is, or? Yeah, no. Who else? Grills, burgers. I always compare Grills, burgers. Sweet Georgia brown. Sweet Georgia brown. Water burger in this cafe. People talk about water burger in the south. Water burgers, they don't have that up there. No, they ain't got nothing like that, man. But they do have Roscoe's chicken and waffles. No, I ain't a lot of, you know, I used to go to Roscoe's heavy, man. I kind of just fell back. After all this stuff. Yeah, of course. I was thinking about that, like people really, I went last time I was out to pit. But we didn't go to that location. No, we didn't go to that location, but we have been in that location. I probably should have went to the one on Gower. No, but we done been a bunch of them. We, I'm hood, bro. No, trust me, I've been to that same one. Yeah, me too. A lot of times. That's probably one of the ones we always go to. That's true. That's like the original. He's like, he's gonna hit a little different than the. But then I always see them niggas outside. So I'm always leery of that anyway, but you know, the check-in method is cool, but you still gotta walk like you walk and do stuff accordingly, man. Like, you know already that if you walk in there, jeweled up or whatever, you better be strapped or something because. It's not like. I'm just being real cause you never know who making calls who gonna do this or that. And anyway, that can happen anywhere. You don't know who's sitting in their car. That's what they're doing. And they car in LA. I'll tell them out. No matter what you're doing in LA and New York, though, there's always someone watching you. I don't care what you say. Yeah. There's always, you know what I mean? So you tell me everywhere you go, you're always observative of. You got to, man, I might not even be here to this day if I wasn't as observant as I am. That's right. Living in LA and New York, like, it ain't sweet. It look nice. Yeah, the palm trees, the good weather, it look nice. I learned, trust me. Because like he said, it's a culture thing. When you get out to the West Coast where it's not humidity and stuff, like it is out here, you're not gonna see no one sitting outside in Texas right now just chilling, right? No. Yeah, but in LA where the breeze is, yeah. They just sit there. It's gonna be a huddle there, huddle there. Like you said, he make a quick call. Make a quick call. And we got, we got fly. And they know when you're not from there. They can tell. They can tell. Because of how you dress and how you look. Yeah. I come in that whole country as hell, asking questions as y'all the niggas said niggas up. I still don't. When I do it, all y'all niggas over here don't look. What y'all doing here? Y'all in the first place. Y'all ain't order no phone. I'm that guy, like, I'm the one coming in like that. I'm real. And niggas, I don't know. I'm just gonna ask, bro. I talk, y'all still said niggas up out here? You know what? Hey, let me know, man, for real, man. And then be looking at him like, shh. Yeah, I still, I be on it, bro. Ain't nah, but back on respect, though, cause he's like, man, look, man. You see what I'm here for? Yeah, I'm not here for that, bro. Y'all for the going with that. Like most people, I've spoken in a lot of times to get them in trouble, too. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be watching. You know already what it is, man. Not for real. I ain't trying to hear it, bro. Like it could be happening to anybody, but niggas at least I'm ass. No, for real. Just so you know, I'm on point, you know what I'm saying? So I gotta ask this question. So since you've worked so many different places, cause I heard you mentioned New York, you mentioned California, and you're from the South. Being a black man in these areas, what are the difference of how you're treated compared to when you're in the South? Versus the West Coast, all the East Coast. Yeah, North, or any of that. Is there a difference? Steel nigga, Jay-Z said. Is there a difference? There's a difference, for sure. I don't think New York, LA, or the South is the same at all. You know, when you up East, you know, you black, it's like, they don't even believe in that right there. So every time they ask me, I say in black, they're like, what does that mean? You hasten, you look like you. They don't even, and I had to explain to them what, you know, in the South it's really black, white, Mexican, that's how you go up and then, you know, but out there they got Jamaicans, they got, you know, it's a whole different culture out there. But then when you get to the West Coast, it's a more Hispanic culture out there. You know, and then every person of our color, typically talent or production, they move there in aspirations or something. You know, with what I'm doing now, I'm not in Inglewood meeting people, you know what I'm saying, that's homegrown from Inglewood. I'm meeting people in my little space in the industry, you know what I mean? I like the South though, you know, that's where I'm from, you know. Hey, I told you. But do you see where people are treated? Because I'm that sick, like, when I first moved here, I used to hate hearing people saying black person, white person, all of that, because I wasn't used to hearing that. Because you're not used to it yet. Right, I'm not used to that. So that's why I like to ask a lot of certain questions because a lot of people tell me things and I'm like, really? So being there and like trying to move up in the ladder in whatever career, because I've always heard especially for males, it's always gonna be way harder for a black man than even for a black woman and so forth. But is it hard? Yeah, I think it's extremely hard, you know? I don't even honestly think it's fair, you know what I mean? Like every space I've said I've been on, it's not like I'm, you know, I'm one, I'm that one, you know, so I already know how hard it is just to expand it in my own career. You know, I know I have the talent to be a lot of different things and I have a lot of opportunities as far as acting, you know, but that would require me to cut my hair off and I'm like, you know, it's always something, right? You know, so. Because they're not looking for that look. But you can't even blame that with acting because with acting whenever they write a certain role, they're looking for a certain character, a certain look. No, exactly. So you can't really, I wouldn't always say that has to do with race is just the look that they're looking for. But like even in any of those fields, whether acting other than what I'm just saying or modeling, have you ever been looked over and you know for a fact in the back of your head without even saying to the person that it was because of your race, why you were looked over? What? Let me give you a rundown of, I had a, I fell out with an agency cause you know, I've been signed out like probably in the last year, I probably signed like four or five agencies. Okay. Big casting, you know, it's huge. It was a good amount of money. Really, I'm not gonna say the company is a really big known company, you know? So I get there, I was actually really excited too, you know? And cause you could tell like when you kind of like have a better chance cause this isn't the first round audition, this is the callback. So I get to the callback, we signed the sheet to go in. You know, the first thing I noticed was the three people getting audition which was behind the cameras on the side was left, right? I mean it was white that was on the left. And they pulled five other models to the side that were black that looked just like me, right? So then they came and handed us all the paper we signed in and they said, y'all can all go now. It was like, you know, unfortunately, you know, we're gonna, you know, keep casting, you know, other but the look doesn't fit the description. So I said- And they said that straight to your face. Just like that, just like that. So I'm like, to me personally though it's not nothing new cause I told you I have no rejection. Well you're gonna get told no in this industry but it's just like, I didn't appreciate it. So once I got out that door, cause you know, you gotta, you cannot react like around to certain people who could lose everything at that point. But when I got out the door, I got everybody, everybody's about to walk out to their car. I'm like, y'all don't feel the way? I was like, they just handled us. Like I don't know what y'all did to get here but I didn't have to be here. I could have been at home. I took, I caught a flight to come out here. You know what I mean? So- What did they say? Everybody- It was like, no I had never been treated like that. It was like, cause the thing is I realized like no matter how big this person was, cause it was a girl who had like a million followers modeling. But like, I'm always the person who speaks up and then everybody else comes to speak up. You know what I'm saying? Once I said something like, yeah, you know what? I'm like, nah, you know what? I thought that was normal. Nah, that's not normal. Like they just treated us like, you know? So 100% is there's not, you know, when she black, I'm going to be honest with you. You're black, it don't matter what you are, what you become, you know? So- But then would it also be because like if you, if it's a model agency and cause I don't know a lot about this industry, you know more than I do of course. But then if you have an agency and there people are say Macy's. I'm not saying Macy, but say hi and whoever. Normally get models from this company, but Macy's normally look for a certain clientele because they're close catered to that certain clientele. No, 100%. So they're going to want that agency to get those type of models. So is that normally why they would choose certain people is because of the people who are booking those models? Or is it just the agency is just all on them? Well, the thing is, it's like, it's branding. So it's this brand or this agency or no, this brand of this company going to the agency for the booking, you know? So as far as it goes, there's always going to be some type of diversity. So even if it catered to Asians, you know? And it's like, they might book four, but then they're going to book, they're booking six models, right? They're going to book four agents, one white, one black. You know what I'm saying? There's always going to- That's how it's supposed to be. Yeah, like, you know, 100%. So that's typically how it goes. But I'm not too sure after that day, I was like, dang, did they just need to say that they auditioned some African-Americans to make it seem like, you know? Cause then they already knew what they wanted. Well, I can tell you right now, man. Them knows is just opportunities where God is putting you somewhere else. And it's something you should be happy about. Cause some of those places you didn't need to be and God saved you from turmoil and dealing with some very disrespectful and hateful people. So I love God's knows. Nah, for sure. You got to learn to love God, for sure. To patience. There ain't a lot to patience. This makes sense what I just said. Nah, yeah. Perfect, right? Like you got to learn and love the understanding of when God says no. And everybody take for granted that God's going to say yes on every single situation he doesn't. So when no situation, no doors close, we always say God opened doors, no man can shut. But what about the doors that he closed that no man can open? You know what I'm saying? Nah, for real. You know? Nah, that's not serious. So you might not need to be there. It could have caused you harm or anything. Not for sure. So that's the whole part about it. Like the music though, let's get to the music cause I get spiritual and we'll get the shouting up here. Nah, for sure. But the music, like what's going on with the music? And what are you, the boogie movement coming back man? You might not get your boogie movement. Hey man, I like the boogie movement though. But what's going on with the music? But yeah man, last year I was in a management deal with some people out of Seattle, it was cool. I worked with them. We actually made a good amount of songs, it was decent, but some things didn't go right with my distribution deal that I wanted planned. My whole reason for even signing with them people. They shelfed you. Yeah. Damn. So I'm like. They will shelf you. And the thing is I make X amount of songs and I'm supposed to, you know, I don't want to release these songs as just myself. Like I signed with y'all so this can go through distribution. That's really open this door. And once it didn't, you know, pan out to be that exactly, then I just kind of fell back, let my contract dwindle away that way I could become a full independent artist again. Yeah man. So right now gearing up man, I'm just looking to, I got some visuals I'm about to shoot. I love the songs I got. You know what I'm saying? Some little bangers man. You know what I'm saying? So who do drip Jesus listen to? Like when he riding down the highway in LA going by Venice Beach or whatever. Man, man, honestly right now man, I like dirt, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'll be riding a little dirt, little baby. That's hard. Kind of like mainstream, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, dirt, little baby. What about NBA young boy? You don't like him? I mean, I don't like him. This is music. I know he got some bangers for sure. I'm never gonna knock, you know what I'm saying? But as far as like am I a fan? I wouldn't say I'm a fan. Why is that though? Cause the music hard. So what? He got his core base. Now he got a base. I ain't ever gonna knock him out. He's been with all this while I listened to his pipe. You know what I'm saying? But I don't know, just him being a little, me being a little older, him being a little young guy just felt like there's kind of something in there. That could be it. That could be it. Dirk, Nim County, you're up there, you know what I'm saying? So just a little bit more what you could talk about, you know, so. How old is him being a young boy? I thought he might be that age. He's in 21 yet, is he? Get the hell out of here. No, I'm gonna look at this. Man, look at that. That ain't about 28, bro. He been eating for a minute. Who? He might be 22, but he's 22 max. He's 22 max, that's what I'm saying. Daniel came up on, he came up on everything. That's why, it's just something about me being 28 and I can't like, I can't just be listening. He's 23, that's crazy. And he got a son by Mayweather's daughter. He got a few kids, but they're on it, man. Nah, for sure, yes. But I think like I said, I ain't ever gonna say his music, you know, I ain't never jammed. He younger. Yeah, so that's all. I didn't even realize that this dude was that young. So yeah, I think he had it. Some hits came out five years ago. So think about that, you know what I'm saying? Yo, but like he came on and he produced some of those hits and that's why they young, man. Yeah, man. Them boys, the only though, you gotta realize them boys are more type, more type millionaires behind this game, bro. I like a little TJ, I do like his music though. Okay, he a little younger. Yeah, he a little younger too. What Dallas rap, what music in Dallas? Is it Big X plug for you? Nah, I do listen to Big X, you know. When you out there, you in there listening to Texas out there, why you in there like? Nah, yeah, I beat my big level. Hey, top off, you know what I'm saying? Top off. Man, yeah. Man. I do like Big X, I like since she Molly though. Man, she been on here. I love her music. As far as like, you know, women music, like I kinda like her little vibe, you know what I'm saying? But as far as Texas, after mode three, I still of course always jammed mode. Mode, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of like. We gotta get us another big hit down here quick, man. Nah, but that's why. I'm not playing bro. We're y'all tripping, man. I'm like the, too much is like Dallas is growing so much. I just feel like it's hungry for a face, bro. Like it's the right song, man. This shit could blow out the water. I gotta go. So Darryl said something recently, he said, yes. He said that artists on a whole, the reason why all of them haven't been blown or whatever are the ones who have blown is because they stay true to where they from. Like Big X plug, he's been doing Texas stuff. Texas, right. I mean, like, and people who don't, and then of course, Darryl, he does a lot of stuff that says Texas and stuff like that. But if you don't, that's the reason why you don't go anywhere. Do you believe that to be true? My honest opinion about that, cause I've thought about that honestly, and I think that's correct, like 100% correct because when it comes to music, and it's kind of like what messed with my career with music, you know, cause I have so many obligations with what I've already done with modeling and stuff. So I have to be in these two other major cities, right? But when it comes to music, I think you have to be, you have to build where you from and it has to be such an organic culture for the world to want to know. Like, so that's what it's like in Texas. Oh, that's, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't go in to mimic someone's sound like they were doing, it doesn't do anything. Like, but you know, Big X plug sounds like he from Texas. We gon' know he from Texas, right? But everybody else is like, what are you from? See, you bought that awareness and then what I've noticed is you get that, then you get your big deal, whatever. Then you go to the LA's, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm people in the artist that's there right now and I just see it cause I'm on the back end. So I'm like, okay, you pop, you pop where you're now in LA. Now you got this PR team. Now he's making different moves, getting brand deals cause he already has that sound and that fan base lock. Now you're trying to broaden it out. But you can still put where you from so people know because even like, and the reason why he said that too is because just like what you're saying, you know how each city have a time that they're hot. Like Memphis sound was hot during this time, whatever. So some artists coming up be like, man, I'm gon' drift to Memphis sound because that's what's hot and I'm gon' pop off of that. But you from Texas, don't make no sense. But then even when you look at acting, look at Jamie Foxx. Everybody know Jamie Foxx from Tarot Texas. Even if you don't know where Tarot Texas is from, even if you're not from Texas, he says it so much that you know exactly where this man is from. So like, why not stay true to your culture and where you're from? I think that pushes you way more and people respect you a lot more. Now a hundred percent, I do believe that but the thing is, I think it's about when those people do those people feel like the city behind them. So I think that's what it's about for real, for real. Yeah, well, I can tell you right now, man. It's always under the pleasure to sit down with you. Just give me your top, the artist of all time, dead or alive right now. How you feel in this present moment? Present moment right now. I don't care what genre, I don't care any genre, whatever. What is it? Number one. Well, Michael Jackson, bro. That nigga hard too. He did, but he hard. I mean, bro, I'm not gon' lie when you got people passin' out cause I don't think those times it's comin' back. Social media. You just another part of me. Yes. I wanna rock with you. Bit of Jean, all in. Yeah, I get it. Who you're number two? Me personally? Yeah. Me personally. Yeah. I'll probably say Drizzy. That's just me. Drake, you like him like that? The thing is, I'm just talkin' about from what I've seen as far as just consistency. Like, other artists that I probably do listen to more. Like, I'm not gon' I ain't play no Drake on the way here. You know what I'm sayin'? I'm just sayin' off the runny hat where I was really, really listenin' to him and then just bein' consistent like. Number three? I'm gon' go Pop. Pop. He shoulda been number one. And nigga right there, nigga he watchin' you and you tellin' me lies on ball talk on the one. You better put him first. I put a lot into it. I put a lot into it. You know what I'm sayin'? No. I think Pop had a broader, you know, a broader eyes on what he did, but yeah. Man, listen, man, if you could go back, like, well, I ain't gon' say if you go back, but when it's all sittin' done, if you can, people doin' a documentary on you, what would you want them to say and what would you want them to remember you by? I want them to know, like, me personally, just, you know, the story, you know, the testimony of believin' in yourself and keepin' faith. Okay. You know, cause that's the main thing that got me where I'm at, you know what I'm sayin'? And I just wanna be able to inspire people through that story, you know what I'm sayin'? Just stayin' in tunnel vision and it's not lookin' left when you told them, when you think this and that, just believin' them thoughts in your mind is truly what's for you, manifest the know's, man. Man, listen, man, thank you for comin' on the show, man. You know it, man. I mean, anytime you in town, when you fly in from LA, you need to be right here. No, I'm tapping in here. You need to holler at me and say, hey, I'm in town, check in. You need to check in. Hey, look, look, I'm checkin' in. Sit right in there. Hey, as soon as I get back, I'm checkin' in with you, 100%. Man, you always welcome to come on the show, man. You one of our original ones that, you know, we was just gettin' started, whether you know or not when you came by, we was, of course, we was started, but, you know, I went up quick, you know what I'm sayin'? You know, I didn't know. I'm tellin' you since then, though, you ain't been playin' since that moment. I been watchin', I'm like, you know, I'm playin' hard. I had to do that, cause it's motivation. How we travel so much, just to do a lot of those interviews, too. No, 100%, man. I respect that, you know, for me to you, though, I guess a lot of high respect for you guys, man. Y'all doin' it good. You family, they go, what did you tell me? Tryin' like you ain't there for you in that round. It's over. Thank you so much, man. Yeah, man, for sure. Same. Man, it's been another. Man, you know what? And before you close it out. It's been another. I am going to design you something special. No, give me something special, man. A whole outfit, something different. Yeah, give me right. You know I like that. You know I like that. Your style is unique, so I can't just come with a regular t-shirt for you. I gotta do something different for you. Hey, man, look, I'm gonna make it look real nice, regardless, man. We're gonna do something nice with it. Man. I'm tired from shooting this stuff, man. Man, check it, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk, one-on-one, where the bosses talk. And we out.