 Creativity is not a thing, you know. I don't know what to do with that word, really. Maybe a word that's more interesting for me is like flexibility. How do you stay flexible and how do you stay responsive? And then how do you make a context or condition for things to remain fluid? It's really about trust. How do you cultivate the situation that allows you to trust your own process, trust the ability to respond? And usually I think when we try to define things and contain things, it's because we're full of fear. You know, like we're full of fear because like, oh, we might fail or it might not be good. And, you know, those just really get in the way of something being alive as an artist or whatever your, whatever someone's work is that you're just trying to make permission to do something you don't already know. And so to be able to recognize the possibilities within something is maybe key to being able to take the risks that you need to take to make work. That's where creativity is. It isn't a process, really, that you can describe. I think that you're continuing to change and you hope that that can be creative or that you're not always responding in the same way but that, or that your thinking is not rigid. I don't sit down and say I'm gonna be creative. I mean, I don't know anyone that would say that. So, okay, now I'm gonna be creative. You know, it's, so that's sort of, yeah, it's a difficult word.