 Like that where they only are looking for people who are free you should look at At them as yeah as an opportunity for leverage, you know And and as soon as you start getting paid by other people But you don't have to worry about them because you know They're not going to pay you anyway And so that's good the problem is when you're dealing with people who might eventually become long-term clients because that means at some point you have to you have to go from saying I'm working for free to now start paying me and Start paying me a decent salary. You don't want to start at like Very few cents per word if you think you're worth you know, if you have legal experience and and you know all the terms and all that that I'm assuming you know how to do the translations correctly and And that's a difficult jump to make it's not impossible and there and there are many and there are a couple ways to make it I think I made a video on it too, but it's um, it's still a difficult jump so if you're able to separate the ones you work pro bono for now and then wait and then What once you have the ratings or at least treat them separately? Let's say the ones you want as long-term clients and the other ones Look, it's always a judgment call and like you said you were talking to a friend and if the friend understands your situation and Understands that you're trying to get some traction and later you start charging then that's fine But make sure that's clear because it can be kind of iffy for that person So, okay, there are a couple things you could do. Yeah, first of all look into if you haven't yet translators without borders Check also Ted talks. I might have mentioned as well and there are other if yeah Ted talks so at least it used to be I think it's still the case that they they always need all their talks to be translated and But they don't pay and so but that's a good place to get experience because everyone knows Ted talks so um check with them, you know, they used to have the option to translate their talks and And then and then I would check with you know local NGOs and organizations Foundations, you can just contact them out of the blue as well say hey Would you like to have translation pro bono and there too? You can always explain your situation you can say I can I can do your translation and I've I've experienced in the legal field and I'm setting up as a translator so I'm Trying to gain some experience and stuff like that It's hit or miss, but if they are interested in having something translated into Russian or what have you then they probably won't say no to a free translation in terms of Leveraging it for now you can also do the same on pros by the way when you're applying for jobs You can even tell them you can say as you can see I have no Ratings yet, so I can do this one translation for free and if you're satisfied you can give me a good rating Many times they'll be understanding and and they'll accept it because they have nothing to lose really You know the issue can be in the future if you want them to become Full-time clients regular clients because then you have to start charging them But with pros calm I would say it's a bit Safer to do it then with like a local law firm you you know who you know who can be a really good contact in the future And so you can try there every now and then to offer You know if it's a short translation if they just need a certificate or something translated Just say hey look I'll translate it for free if you're happy I'd really appreciate a good rating because I'm trying to build up my profile as you can see and Same if you're registered obviously on the other ones translators cafe and stuff like that you can do the same thing as well But yeah, that that's all that comes to mind right now anyway, so in terms of memberships I'm well in terms of paying for membership. I'm a member of pros calm and and American Translator Association, but otherwise I try to stay in my field and that's and you know more in the Financial field and stuff like that. So I'm a member of a couple Financial organizations here in the area and stuff like that because these are the ones that are my target market And I stand out a bit more because I'm in translation and not in finance And so if you're in the legal field, whatever legal associations or something you're associated with I would stay with those or You know keep looking around if there's something like that because that you're a good contact for them as well in the sense that There are no a bunch of other lawyers, but they don't know many translators maybe and so it's good to be there You won't get anything right away But down the line you'll you'll be the first person that comes to mind if you're a member of these associations Otherwise. Yeah in terms of associations membership. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much all I do the things you have to pay for don't There are quite a few free organizations before you actually have to start paying for a bunch of stuff You know without seeing the return