 Hey there everybody. It's a OBS session three. I'm here this join this time with Jim Good how are you Taylor? I'm excited to be here. Oh, oh look at this though. I got three dimensions here I did something wrong in my OBS setup Yeah You're you're you're you're dropping this is foreshadowing. I'll call it foreshadowing to this This smorgasbord of a session It's now fixed just like that So you're you're using green screening and you made a little scene and and we'll show you We'll talk about green screening and and how to do that I've been watching the videos and not only i'm a longtime subscriber But now i'm a first time caller in and i am thrilled to be here first time caller a longtime listener So Yeah, this is we're calling this in advanced techniques And I don't know we could argue about how advanced all of them are. I think they're kind of advanced but But we're gonna cover a lot of different things that you can do that are things that can interact with OBS Not all of them. In fact, almost none of them are like OBS specific A lot of them are sort of just general video things you can do That OBS makes easier or possible at all in the case of green screen But a lot of these things are just hey tips how to use a microphone if you end up wanting to get a microphone What what are you what should you be looking at? And accessory devices like the stream deck to control a different software Lighting things to think about like that. So I've got a whole list We got a lot to cover and we're just going to go down. We're going to start with um something called continuity camera and What this does is it basically lets you use your phone as another camera And this is kind of cool. I use it very occasionally But it is kind of a neat trick when you want to use it And I'm going to show this off first because we're going to use this throughout the session to kind of show folks uh What we're doing and what we're looking at because some some of this is not software Some of its hardware so you're gonna have to look at our desks and our cameras and stuff like that So, um, yeah, so here's my here's my OBS setup. Um, this is exactly where we left off last time We've got our camera scene. We've got a screen scene. This is just showing my um My laptop screen. I'm capturing in I've got another one that has my camera shown In the corner. Uh, I've got my uh Jurassic Park getting started screen. It's a it's a unix system I know this um And I've got uh the beautiful getting started uh scene that uh pilot and I put together last time Well, we put all these together last time, but uh, this one I think is really the star of the show In my I love that reclaim and tech mug. I have to say Yeah, I think uh, I think we should make real life versions of these. Um, or for sure Um, so this is uh, this is uh, this is where I left off. So I haven't changed literally anything since last time Um, what I'm gonna do is we're gonna set up a quick thing to use my Phone as another camera wirelessly, which is super cool. Um, you could also if you don't have a A very good webcam or you're just looking for like better quality, but you don't want to invest in a fancy webcam or a fancy camera um They actually sell little mounts That you can put like on top of your monitor or onto like a tripod screw thing And you could use your phone as a webcam all the time. Um Obviously the downside being now your phone is on your monitor Um, but you know, maybe you got an old phone. Maybe you don't mind Disconnecting it and stuff like that. Um, but I love to use it as a wireless camera that I can just point at stuff Um, and I think it's really cool. So I'm gonna make a new scene. I'm gonna call this um iPhone And it's a blank scene and This first thing I'm gonna do is using Continuity camera, which is only gonna work if you're on mac os venturo Which is the most recent mac os that came out at the end of last year And you have an iphone. I'm gonna show you something that works across more platforms just in a second, but um So continuity camera. So basically it's a feature that Your phone just shows up as a available camera source in your list of cameras on mac os And there's really no setup to it. You just have to be installed You just have to have the most recent software and you have to be logged into the same apple id on both devices pretty much So if I go to app, uh add source here And video capture device I'll call this phone camera Or maybe I'll call it continuity camera. I guess it doesn't actually matter what I call it, but Um, that's just the name of the feature And then I go to device. I've got a couple different devices and things here But two of them are listed from my phone One of them is a desk view and I'm not going to really demo that because it doesn't really work for my desk But there is They do try to do a thing with certain phones where it'll try to make like a fake um Document camera, which is kind of neat. Um, and it does it with some real Clever trickery, but you need to have your phone a certain distance from The spot in your desk and I don't have a large enough desk for that. So um, I don't really end up using that but I'm going to just hit the one that says camera And um There we go. That's it. Now. I didn't do anything on my phone. My phone just automatically Uh woke up and turned the camera on so I'm going to hit okay, and here's my scene And if I back up here, you probably have trouble hearing me So I'll kind of yell but this is my desk. Um, I've got my Portrait monitor over there. I've got my main monitor here and my laptop um file cabinet There's my camera. There's my lights. We'll talk about lighting later, but this is my my light um my microphone stream deck, which we'll talk about later. I've got my gear audio gear Um, and then don't look below my desk because I currently am tearing it apart. It's a disaster down there Uh, I just had to replace my uh headphone amp so All of the cables are a mess down there So that's continuity camera So what I like about that is a that works in any app not just obs you can switch to it But in obs you can add it as a scene And as soon as you fire obs up your phone will switch into continuity camera ready to go So you can just I can just go to my list here and Let's take a look at my cat. Maybe just switch to iphone and there we go Um And it's kind of a neat it's kind of a neat trick. I think um, so uh I'm a big fan of that feature. Um, and I love how kind of seamless it works But like I said only available if you're on a mac and an iphone running the latest software So there's another um more it's not an open protocol. It's technically a proprietary protocol But there's another tool we can use that will work on other operating systems and other types of phones and all kinds of different devices Um, that does kind of something similar. It lets you send audio over your local network Uh, sorry video and audio over your local network It's called ndi I'm going to make another scene here call it ndi and um I'm also going to actually before we even do that. We're going to take a look at the Uh, ndi website real quick. I've already installed this of course But in order to do this you'll want to go get the free ndi tools from ndi.tv Basically, you just have to give them an email address. Unfortunately. I always just give them a fake one And then you can download it um Actually, I think you need to give them a real one now I think about it because it's one of those things where they email you a link but whatever, um, and It comes with a ton of tools for Doing video stuff over your network. So Frankly, I don't even know these are the names of the apps. I only use a couple of them And some of these I'm not even clear on what they do. They're very much geared towards like professional Video folks So it could be a little tricky, but Basically what ndi tools what I use it for is something called ndi virtual input So when you install ndi tools, you get this app called ndi launcher that gives you all these things you can open um And if I open virtual input here Um, this is an this is a very simple application with literally no user interface You interact with it by just going to the menu bar Um, and what it's going to do is it's going to listen for Other things running ndi on your local network So I have installed a couple different apps on my phone That I'll talk the ndi protocol And Basically two of them one of them is called ndi hx camera I'll put it in the blog post and I have one that's called ndi screen capture And so one of them lets me do camera stuff just like I did with continuity camera. So we'll do that first so Um, you're not to be able to see this for a second, but I'm going to go on my phone launch this app called ndi camera I open it up and then if I go to my ndi virtual input It says taylor iphone 13 pro is in the list and then camera So I have to select it there and now in um obs if I go to my sources And I add a bit another source here. We'll call this ndi input I can select here the device called ndi video And there we go. So there's my phone again um Again, this does really the same thing that I just showcased, but it will work on Many different operating systems many different phones Stuff like that The other cool thing though is you can do more than just your camera with it In fact, it'll also capture audio as well. I'm not having to do that right now, but you could theoretically Do that as well um And so um, I can also do things like send video from my ipad or uh another computer Any any computer can send video as well. I can even do things like um Use a different app here. So if I switch out of this for a second I'm going to go into the capture app Then I'm going to hit start broadcasting in the capture app And if I go back to ndi input I can now go hit display And now it's capturing my phone screen and sending it to obs So you can I could demo something and it it's kind of cool because it supports. Um I don't know if this one has an android version or not. I think it does. Um, but uh, but it again Is there any hardware you need for this or is there purely software purely software? Yeah Um, but it is it is a like a protocol ndi is so they make the apps but other other software companies Also make alternative apps. I just tend to use their own ones that this company makes it's called They're called new tech. They make all kinds of video stuff. Um, in fact, they're they're like really early to like streaming hardware. Um they had these uh, kind of interesting boxes called tricasters that were sort of like a obs in a box but in 2005 Is really kind of fascinating but Anyway, um, it's a protocol though. So there are other uh, software that support the ndi protocol Um, there are hardware devices that can Interact with this ecosystem as well. Um, but yeah, it's it's kind of cool. Um, like so here I'm you know, Scrolling mastodon. Um, I could also go into like my rss reader, right? Maybe I'm demoing something or trying to do something live It's kind of neat too because it supports, uh, rotation so I can rotate my phone and you know, that still works properly um Yeah, it's it's really cool. I use this um I haven't really had a need recently to do like live capture of my phone But I have used it for vinyl casts So I'll set my ipad up In a different room and my record player is plug the record player into my ipad and use ndi to get that audio To my computer, which is in my office, which is kind of cool. That's pretty awesome. Um, and uh, Yeah, and ndi is a whole ecosystem basically, but um, I'll link the three apps. I use the ndi capture ndi Uh camera, which are the phone apps and then the ndi tools website in our blog posts for folks that want to try it out But it's cool. Uh, and I really like the use case of it with with obs a lot. So Um, it's kind of neat. Uh, I saw you playing around with A different camera was that using um Uh, something similar to ndi or were you setting up ndi itself or no I was actually so as you were talking I was looking at your setup and I tried to use a application called epoc or epoc cam and I've been having issues with it. So I'm interested in the ndi I didn't update the software But I was going to show off my lighting and camera eventually So to do that given I don't have an extra camera. I was like, oh, I'll use screen share in The thing we're using to stream this out, which is stream your I put it because google locked me out So I'm uploading images I just took to obs and I'm going to share them as of my scene. So there's another interesting use of obs on the fly is I can upload images there and it will just You know become your webcam basically. Yeah become my webcam. So yeah, that's pretty cool. Actually Yeah, and that's a good point. You know, we mentioned that you're doing green screening right now um, but you're doing that By piping your obs setup into the platform that we're making this recording on right now, which is virtual camera changed my life That's the obs virtual camera. It's awesome. Yeah, I can't do that because I currently need to show you all obs Yeah, exactly. I can't have two obs's at a time with well I've done it before but it it's painful It gets very confusing very quickly Um, but there are there are ways but I would highly not recommend it. Um And uh, so it's much easier for me to not do that but um and plus for demo purposes I think it's cleaner you can see my obs screen and this is what obs is outputting and in some cases It's the same thing sometimes not but yeah, so Those are two ways you can get video and audio from mobile devices and technically other computers I haven't used it for this but you you could theoretically have like Like like I know you've got a gaming pc that I think you you and and uh your Sun use in the other room Yeah, theoretically you could send video that is captured from there to your mac in this room and then broadcast it live That's pretty cool Yeah, I have seen I mean tim played a little bit with the capture card too at the arcade with doing some pinball streaming and I want to do a little bit of that with um One of the old arcade games and I do have An hdmi capture card that will do it wirelessly But this ndi stuff that doesn't need the hardware is a brave new world Yeah, the the cool thing that the the thing that's nice about this and the downside is it depends on your network, right? so in my case the the hdmi there was wireless hdmi transmitters we used um some at The may workshop as well. They're great for like 50 feet of range Yeah No walls like you basically need a line of sight Um, that's not 100 true, but but in a lot of cases you do it's it's very signal dependent um In my house right behind like right behind my monitor Is a bathroom So nothing goes through there. It's pipes. You know just ruin that So in my case Wi-Fi actually works a lot better Just because you know, I've got like two Wi-Fi access points and it's so and it's not that big of a house So like the coverage is pretty good So but but it's very dependent and I will say that there are wireless Um, and we can link them to um, I have a set that we got for the may workshop that I know tim has used at the arcade from Mono price called the mono price blackbird and it's pretty cool and basically you can plug in an hdmi device and then you plug in a Like a camera on one end and then wirelessly it talks to another box where you can plug that into your computer or something And it's basically like a wireless hdmi cable, right? Yeah exactly and it's pretty cool Ndi kind of takes a lot of that hardware out of the equation, right? You don't need Two boxes on either end. You also don't need a capture device. It's doing all of that. You just need a phone To run the app or or a computer to run the app I like that now that is that is super cool Um, yeah, so all right. So moving on we got lots to cover I know uh stream deck is next stream deck is the next thing I want to talk about um, and I I think I mentioned this before but um I have for this course completely like deleted basically my obs setup so that I could set things up from scratch Otherwise this wouldn't be a very helpful course, right? Um, and uh, one of the things I don't currently have set up is my stream deck I have it working, but none of the obs integration And I'm kind of getting ahead of myself. I'm realizing what what is a stream deck for folks who don't know Um, let me switch. Yes. Let me switch back here to my phone Um, and a stream deck is a little hardware widget hardware device Um, I have the stream deck Plus and so it has knobs on it, but most of them just have A grid of little screen buttons basically um, and basically you can You have these buttons you can tell the software on your computer what they should do And um, they do the thing. So I have basically like a setup that I'm normally using this Uh is just like I can roll a d20 because you know, it's important. You have to have dnd close at any time I have a button that launches obs and quits it I have a button that shows the time and the weather um, and This one can actually do some stuff where it can control It's kind of having trouble focusing it can control audio of individual apps, which is kind of cool So I can set up If I'm playing music Before a stream I can turn it down. I don't have the app open right now. So it's it's yelling me saying Hey, that's not open um, but it's kind of cool. Um, and There's also you can have multiple pages of stuff. So I normally have another page Which is buttons to switch my obs scenes, you know, so far i've been clicking on camera screen iPhone and that's fine um, but if you're uh doing this stuff on the fly and also, you know Doing a stream It has actual content that you're focusing on like you're trying to teach someone something Um, it's nice to have buttons that you can not even look at in many cases. You can just feel where they are um so I don't have any of those button set up. So we're going to set up a couple um, and uh, show what that would would be like. So i'm going to switch back to my, um Screen um And actually that doesn't doesn't matter what we're going to do is we're going to set up buttons that switch between my camera Scene and my screen scenes. There's three of them, right? So that's screen and then screen plus camera um, so basically Stream deck has this software. So I just need to open up the stream deck app And uh, let me Size it. Oh, that's funny. It's too I have the size of my screen cranked up so much for the video that this window doesn't fit on screen fully Whatever, we're gonna make do um And what I can do is uh There's a whole bunch of things obs can do or sorry the stream deck can do But it has a whole section of obs actions basically so I can uh grab one A scene button drag it onto the thing and then give it a Uh, it's gonna actually talk to obs here in a second. Hopefully sometimes this is kind of buggy though I'll say it always works once I have it set up, but sometimes it has trouble like Seeing my obs, um stuff when I'm configuring it Yeah, it's having trouble. So let me quit the app. Um You launch it your stream deck doesn't like you no This is a stream deck wants more money. Yeah, yeah, um It's the thing with with these with these um is like I said I love the stream deck itself the app you use to configure it is Relatively easy to use but I run into things like this a lot where it's like, oh, I have to restart it Because it's just not seeing my obs stuff Um It was just not gonna work. It's not good I haven't used it since I nuked my obs setup. So maybe I Oh, you know what? It's I don't have the stream deck plugin For obs. So I have to reinstall the stream deck software It puts a plugin so that it can talk to obs in And when I deleted my obs setup that went with it. Um, so you know what? Um I don't know that I want to do a whole setup of it But I'll just say that what you can do with it is you can drag buttons in here And it will let you select scenes and I can Switch between the scenes title then put an image in so you understand it iconic. Yeah, it's a nice interface and it really does allow you to kind of Visual cues to change scenes or create different effects I'd set the one the start and stop obs that you had and then I had a few basic scenes And then there was a kind of like, you know, you could do the I'm You know technical difficulties button and that scene comes up with a little bit of music. It's nice. I like it Yeah, and and there's like a ton of different actions. You can You know, it supports a bunch of applications There's like a whole plug-in store so it can support more things And we'll talk about lights, but I know you have some Elgato lights and those can be controlled with the stream deck I mostly use it for fun stuff When I'm not streaming just, you know, like, hey, here's the time just to have is like a nice desk widget Volume control, which I I mentioned before and that's kind of new to the stream deck They just came out with this one that does volume control. Yeah, the knobs like a month ago Yeah, and then and then obs and really all I use it for an obs is switching scenes But it can do all kinds of things you could set a button to start recording or a button to start streaming you could have it turn Filters on like you could have it turn on and off your green screening basically Which we'll get to it a second. You can do all kinds of stuff 98% of the time what I use it for and what I see people on like youtube tutorials on this stuff use it for it It's just switching scenes. Yeah So yeah, but you could see the use of that even if I can't demo it right the second because I forgot to install the software properly if I had this set up to You know screen and I can just then from my phone Let me pick that up. I could just click the button and switch to those different scenes, right? Yeah So Yeah, that's cool. That's stream deck I don't know if you you kind of mentioned that you use it for some scene stuff Is there anything else you're doing with it other than scene switching? Or is that most of it? No, that's most of it starting and stopping recordings I'm just really trying to avoid clicking around While I'm doing a recording because for me that it's annoying The clicking I just kind of want a button and it's very close. And so It just it's it's kind of like for me insurance. So I'm not fumbling around And it helps with screen real estate too, right? Because yeah, if you're doing a stream Uh, you want to have on another monitor or somewhere the ability to see like Folks in the chat or in the case of like reclaim ed tech stuff I need to look at both our stream chat and discord because people may be asking questions in either place um And usually I have notes And I need a full screen to be able to capture You know for the stream typically Um, so for me not to actually even have ob yet like I'll just minimize ob s, right? I'll keep it down in my dock or hide it And I don't need to see it Because I can see the stream That I have open in a web browser to make sure things are working properly Sure And so not having to have ob s up because I can click my buttons to change scenes is huge And and that's with me with a big portrait monitor a big main monitor and a laptop A lot of people are doing this with less screens than that, you know So it's it's a it's a lifesaver for me. Um for for that reason I agree I do like it you can even do other things to like You can have it do like arbitrary keyboard shortcuts. I don't really do this But um, I know people that have like That maybe like edit video a lot and they'll set up like the button to cut the time cut their video on a stream deck With a nice little image and stuff like that. I'm Kind of uh hands on the keyboard home row kind of person So I like to most of my keyboard shortcuts I like to just memorize and figure out but if I was doing a lot of you know Video editing that could be handy. I think yeah So um that's stream deck. All right going down my list that uh Nobody can see the next thing on my list is audio And audio has come up a a bunch of times over over these sessions And I I think I've said at this point a bunch of times. I don't want to go super far into audio and that's because It's complex. It's super complicated. However Uh, there are some things we can talk about we can chat about what mics we use Um if folks care to know and I can also throw a couple recommendations out there If someone wants to buy a microphone like we are using like a desktop microphone This is not the only way to get audio in as we mentioned earlier. You can use your laptop camera You could use um, I don't recommend bluetooth devices with obs But you could use you know, like even just headphones wired headphones You could use like a gaming headset um, I will throw in the blog post um a particular pair of headphones and a headset that I have recommended to like many different people over the years that is like the best sounding headphones and headset combination For like 50 bucks that you could hope for I think But yeah, if you're looking to get an actual microphone, um Jim do you want to mention what you have? Sure, I'm using and hold on. Let me see if I can uh put this in here But I'm using two. I have two different microphones. I actually have three when the pandemic started um, I got the uh The uh, what is it called? It's like a blue It was the Yeti the Yeti. That's right a classic. Yeah, I got the Yeti It wasn't a very expensive and it was it kind of uh, it did the job it needed to do So let me just do this. Can you still hear me? Yep. Okay. Cool. And can you see I see your screen other screen. Hold on Let me see. I'm playing around with see. I'm not just a A tutor. I'm a client too. So let me do this And then come here. And so here is a picture of my camera So that's it. That's the wave one. This is an algato Uh microphone that I'm using with my new desk setup and you'll notice it's on a kind of stand And that's a sure stand which is for my other microphone, which is part of a kind of arm system Called the mv7 that you recommended and uh, I've been using I have two separate setups and so my son took the Yeti I'm using the the wave algato wave one here And this is about 130 dollar mic and then the shore mv7 is probably like 150 160 dollar mic It's pretty expensive. I think it's more like 300 bucks or is it 50? Yeah So and so and I actually I mean all of them are good I really like the shore mv7 because it was good for like focused Yeah discussion and they kind of ground out all the acoustics that were in my old setup Whereas this the acoustics here are much better now because I'm not in this big wide open room So that has kind of saved me a lot of grief. So the the algato wave works fine. Yeah, I will say I um Without going too much into audio Like microphone stuff. There's different style all three of those microphones are different styles of microphone capsule Actually, that's not true the wave and the Yeti are more similar but But you're a hundred percent right and in that they pick up more of the room for sure And the shore you have Is a dynamic microphone. It's kind of very similar actually to this microphone in terms of how it works And they are really good at picking up what's right in front of them and Very little else. That's obviously not a hundred percent true. Like if my My dog was barking. You probably would hear it, right? But um In my situation, I'm in a not very big room with some Um Like there's a bookshelf And you know some things to soak up the sound that chair has like a cover on it Uh, it's a leather chair and the cover makes a big difference the sound of the room, which is really interesting but I have um laminate floors So there's so many reflective bouncy surfaces that if I use a microphone like the Yeti It sounds really echoey in here And also it's not helped by the fact that I'm on a desk with two big monitors. My voice is bouncing off the monitor too. Um, yeah, so Which is going to be the case for most people doing a setup like this. So I'm using a road procaster Which is an xLR microphone all the microphones you mentioned are usb And that's what I would recommend for someone getting started not even getting started Uh from almost anybody Because the great thing about them is you buy the microphone they come with a cable you plug it in your computer That's it. Um, it's not the end of your audio journey because there's a million things you can tweak But you don't need any more gear I'm using an xLR microphone, which means I have to plug this microphone into a box And then the box gets plugged into my computer Um, and it lets me do some fancy things that I don't really want to go into it's its whole own stream If someone was coming to you and they were like what microphone should I get? I have a limited budget, but I want something that will work well. What would you tell them to get? I would recommend the wave actually that the wave one that you have right now I think it's it's it's frequently on sale for a hundred bucks or less now. Yeah Um, and while it isn't a dynamic microphone, so it will pick up more of the room It does have some fancy tricks because of this software that they have called the wavelength and you can do um like noise Processing to get some of that out right on in the software. And so the cool thing is um You can tweak the way it sounds you can EQ it you can add Compressing and all these effects that can again, I don't want to go into it. It would be a whole session But you can theoretically if you want to do that stuff in the software and it would not only apply to your obs But anywhere you use that microphone, which is really I think yeah, it's nice I do something similar with my box. Um, so I have tuned in what I think sounds pretty good and anywhere I use that Um microphone it works, which is kind of neat Especially in my case because I use this desk with my work computer and after work with a with a windows pc And so the settings even apply there too, which is kind of cool The after hours setup. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I mean mostly just discord and dnd, right so But it is kind of nice for me because I can I'm willing to invest more time If that makes sense in making it sound good because I know that I don't have to like be chasing down settings on multiple different apps and and os's and things all the time. So Yeah, I would recommend the wave one. I will say jim though. I think you sound better on that. Sure I I mean just you don't sound bad at all. It sounds good. I'm just I have picky ears And I can tell the difference. I could tell you switched Um, but yeah, I did and it was out of necessity for the moment given on between two setups I do like the short too also because of the you know articulating arm and the fact that as like a kind of I do I like that that microphone And this is totally separate when you're doing stuff like radio and stuff. I found like some applications Are, you know, you'll find Michael audio is a nightmare. That's all I'll say. I won't go too deep into that But it can be such a nightmare Go simple and go long is all I'll say Yeah, and and I will say too You're also correct. I think this microphone sounds way better in this room than it did in the last room because of the the tile floor you had and it was a larger room and Yeah, so I can definitely much manageable much more manageable for sure So, yeah, that wave is one I would recommend Um, I'll also put like I said, uh, a recommend. It's just a headset. So it's not really a microphone, but it sounds Pretty good for a headset. Um, so that's another recommendation. I'll I'll put in the blog post Um, and that that is maybe the first place start because you can get good sound for like 60 bucks And it will include headphones One other thing we forgot to mention too is when you're doing something with obs Um, you really should be using headphones as your output device in my opinion and the reason for that is um You will otherwise so so zoom and uh jitsi and the software we're using to record this right now Has features to make sure that feedback doesn't happen so that when Jim talks and goes out my speakers my microphone doesn't pick it back up and send it back to him And then you get a loop, right? Um That reduces the quality though, um Streamyard the thing we're using actually does a really good job of mitigating that in a way It doesn't sound bad, but there's a reason people sound kind of like phone call level quality on zoom And if you ever like just open up obs and hit record the microphone quality is like way way better That's because it's not doing any processing that also means that You can you're susceptible to feedback So if you are hitting street the stream button or record button in obs or software like it really You want to make sure that your speakers are either muted or you're using headphones um It's just something to be careful about um knowing is half the as as half the battle Yeah, and then the other thing is if you do invest in a microphone And so my mine is you have a little stand which is kind of cool But um yours is pretty close to you to you like physically close to you Um mine is let me connect here again. My phone is yours is articulating off the side of your desk Yeah, I have a Elgato. Um It's called the wave mic arm lp low profile and I like it because it um It it's not some of these have like these big arcs Like they're it's kind of like like radio station thing and that's cool Um, we can't see it though. I know you're using the phone, but we can't see it I'm not sharing my screen. Whoops. Uh, sorry um So some of them have these like big uh articulating arc arms and that's really cool. I just do not have a lot of space here I'm in the corner of that somewhat small desk. Anyway, um, so I have this little low profile arm I can fold up And go over there And then I can just swing it around when I want to use it It's a little far back, but um, I really I really like this setup, but I'm very close to it. So Um, as you can see in the multiple cameras here probably I I have only like Uh about my hands worth of distance between that the secret to your success That is the secret to good audio. Um in in my experience Um is get a microphone almost any microphone and put an appropriate distance from your face Um And it's unfortunately a lot closer and in people do tricks even I do this Um people do tricks to make it look like it's not so close like if I scoot a little closer And move my microphone a little further I can get most the same benefit My microphone's barely in the camera and it might not look based on the force perspective like it's that close to my mouth But it is You know microphones in the camera is like the new black, right? Yeah, it's definitely like twitch You know like the game streaming culture has kind of Popularized that and I think that's just out of slightly out of necessity And like this is what people have to do and I don't know I feel like if you do what I'm doing here with my microphone is kind of hovering over my keyboard because of this arm It doesn't really need to be in screen that much and I also could turn my mic up a little bit and get it a little farther But the more you turn a mic up the more you're gonna get background sound Um So it's it's always a game of like how far can I turn it up before I start hearing like my furnace? You know or before like me typing I don't know if you can can you hear me even typing? Not really not really very very subtle So you you probably can hear it a little bit, but I I've dialed in like how you know How loud my mic is for this reason But if I had to crank this up you would hear let me just hang You know all the time if I really crank on my keyboard, right? Um So it's it's always a balancing act and that's why audio is so tricky. Um is there's so many variables Um I did link to in the first week a obs master class and there's a bunch of things in there on audio that you can check out If you have questions if you've got a microphone or you're like looking to buy something Throw in the discord. I'm happy to to talk about it. It's easier to talk about these on an individual basis I think than to make broad recommendations of this will work for everybody. Yeah, if you're saying I want to do Uh desktop microphone like this. I have some things. I'll ask you some questions like You know, what kind of content are you trying to make things like that? Um, there probably are other folks in discord too that may maybe be able to help with that too um And um, but there are other also other other paths too. Like I said, there's headsets. There's Um, there's also shotgun microphones, which are the like, uh, you put just off camera and point at you And those can have all kinds of benefits too Typically those are kind of expensive, but there are some good cheap ones. Um There's a million things so audio is so complicated Cool, uh, all right, so we are Getting to the end. We got two more things to talk about and How long are we recording 45 43 minutes? We got about 15 minutes to cover it. That's right. We can do it So first one is quick and we've already mentioned it a little bit lighting so Um, do you want to kind of talk about what your lighting setup? What you're doing? I would be happy to I am going to show you quickly my lighting So I just actually set this up. I've had it for a while, but I set it up I I moved office to a smaller office and so that's allowing me to kind of do some stuff And if you see here, these are two elgato lights They used to be on desk stands You kind of can't see them, but um, there's actually Something mounted to the wall and I'm going to hide these wires that are coming down And these are two articulating lights. I can rotate as I want my cameras mounted on the same mount Here and then you see there's the the microphone. This is my setup right now And this is the camera kind of right over the thing and that's a look at that and I have a mic I have a little stereo Speaker coming off of it, but that's actually I have like these elgato lights Um, I love how they can see you taking the picture in the picture. Yeah, is that right? But I've actually had a little bit of an issue as I set up my new space just because I couldn't These lights are reflecting against the movie posters. I have it's fine the green screen's up So you can't see anything but there is some issues when I have a straight up setup So I might keep playing but those are the elgato. They were like I don't know how much a hundred bucks Um, the probably the light air I imagine Yeah, key light area up there wireless You have a little app the control center that controls them whether it's kind of cold or warm and bright And I can do that all from my phone actually like I have a phone app the control center I have it going right now Because I was playing with my lighting to get ready for this and it's kind of nice. I mean There it is like that's the app you can maybe kind of see it Not really but you get the gist and then I can kind of just right here. Ah Right, I can go really light and I'm just kind of are doing that right on there That's cool. I go really kind of a little bit colder Really warm super super easy to use Yeah, um, and I should you know should mention too for folks who are unfamiliar Why why are we even talking about lighting? I guess, you know lighting is really important with cameras and video in general um I Jim and I are maybe not the best examples only because we're both using real cameras not webcam so The quality is pretty good. However Any camera including nice ones like this, but especially webcams Cameras want light. Um, if you don't give them enough light Obviously, it'll be dark. That's one thing But um webcams tend to compensate heavily. They'll they'll instead of making things look dark. They'll crank up settings ISO and crank down shutting shutter speed they'll do things to make it look at least somewhat bright in there and that typically makes things look really noisy and Uh, just low quality and also sometimes even choppy depending on what they're doing. Um So it can look not great. It depending on what you're doing. You may not care and that's cool Um, but I kind of like to get the most out of anything I'm doing um And because I'm weird like that, right? So um, and you know, we at this point We do a lot of video at reclaim like, you know, I I was I was uh, kind of reflecting on that with Uh, a friend of mine that was Self-deprecating they've been like, yeah, I have this stupid setup. I'm an idiot And he's like, don't you do streams like every week? I was like, uh, at least once a week. Yeah So more like two or three times now, right? Yeah between these courses and just like playing with stuff Like we do a lot so um So so obviously I care um, but um So my setup is I'm not using any particularly fancy lights, but I am doing three different things Um, usually so there's a window over to my right And I am very picky about what the blinds are like because depending on how much it'll put light on my face Is that a big deal? I don't know depends how vain you are, right? But I could I could close the blinds and get more even lighting on my face Um, I like the outside light because it makes me happy So I usually have it open but if I'm Doing something, especially with a green screen, which we'll demo in a little bit Green screens are really picky on the amount of light you have on them So I will typically control my blinds behind me control Put them down. I don't have automatic blinds Um So that's one thing. I also have in this room Uh, hue lights in there's there's three lamps in this room. There's the one on the bookshelf There's the one on my wife's desk behind me and then there's one on my desk in front of me You'll notice that the one on my wife's desk and also The one on my desk Sorry, let me get my camera up here my phone camera Uh, I have them both pointed at the wall Just a splash light off the wall A I like the way that this Lights the room even when I'm not in video. It just makes the room feel warmer and nice And I keep forgetting to put my Thing on screen. Here we go. Um, that's that's what it looks like But it also helps a lot for video if I turn these lights off Again, we're talking about picky things here, but my When the lighting in the room goes down my camera compensates you'll see a lot more reflections from the window to my right Uh This one over here. Yeah And it makes a big difference and it's obviously daylight It's way worse at night or when it's darker, right a good example of this taylor is like for example I'm gonna do this right now. I'm gonna I have a two screens in front of me I'm gonna put one up and I'm gonna go to like I'm there's a screen here and you see that my green screen is breaking there When I do google and it has this white reflection Oh, yeah It adjusts adjust the light of the green screen And so it starts to break the fourth wall a little bit Yeah, and that happens pretty often if you're not careful with multiple screens And it's a super bright white screen or whatever it will throw the lighting of the green screen off Yeah, if I close my window again, it's pretty bright. It's snowing here right now It's it's morning in Wisconsin in the winter. So it's like snow blind bright outside But if I turn my lights off close this window blind and do something like I don't know What's up really brightly colored? What let me just see the color green Help me out And uh, if I pull this up And you can see green on my face and you can actually mitigate that with lighting So that's just my room lights. Let me turn my camera light on And crank it. There we go. I still have that green up on my screen as you can Exactly, but the light you have to I mean, but also as you're doing lighting Be sure to try it with if you have multiple screens or places where it's going to go bright quickly Be sure you test some of that across your screen because I've run into that a couple of times Where I think everything looks great and then I changed the screen and then The whole scene gets kind of ruined because the green screen gets broken or broken up in terms of lighting Yeah, um, so the other thing I wanted to mention here Is um, so my I do have one additional light other than the lamps that I mentioned and my lamps are smart lights So I have like a little remote for them, but I could control them from my phone The other cool thing is I can do I haven't done this to reclaim stuff, but I can do colors. So, you know Yeah, I could do that But mostly I actually keep them just on a very specific Color temperature that I think looks good with video and also I've noticed certain colors on my Fancy camera here will actually put little lines in the image So I have to be really careful about that. It's something to do with my lights Like the way that they work. I don't know. Anyway, so this is my phone or start my phone my camera And I have this cheap little amazon light and it literally just has a switch on the back I bought this thing for probably 30 bucks and it literally just clips into the mounting system on basically every camera Um, and it's battery powered. I plugged in right now, but I will usually unplug it when I'm not actually recording And uh, yeah, it works fine. It's not fancy Um, but it's enough light between this it gets bright enough and between this and my lamps that I'm Okay with it. It's not ideal Like if I really crank it like I have now and I get this off screen You can kind of see that the the light is coming from the center Whereas you have a more ideal setup of it coming from either direction. That's kind of the ideal But it's good enough for my setup and I I haven't really wanted to go fancier with it The other thing I'll mention is I think we're using the same camera phone Mount sorry same camera mount And so if if anyone goes off the deep end and gets a fancy camera to use as their webcam Um, do not cheap out on the thing that holds your camera There are a million amazon things you can buy for like 20 bucks that suck Go get something from what's the company? Um, it's an italian company. I think oh manfrotto manfrotto get a manfrotto arm that will clip It it will you'll look at it and be like a hundred bucks or 80 bucks crazy, but that's insane the best just Don't I bought like four cheap amazon things Totaling like 120 bucks ended up returning them all because they all didn't hold my camera properly until I landed on this so if if you get into this um, and the other thing I'll say is I I have a Camera that has a little flip out screen, which I really like because I can see my own camera at any time It's a small yeah, not not essential, but it's something that I like um, so That's lighting and I guess a little bit about cameras. I actually turned down the light It's a little bit. It's a little bit much for me right now. You got nine minutes to do green screen. Hey, that's that's probably almost enough time So you get your green screen set up. I'm gonna set up mine live on camera so we can see What it looks like an obs also I have a hilarious Kind of I think it's funny. Um green screen set up you have a Is it also an Elgato? We're not sponsored by Elgato. I swear I'm using Elgato camera mount Elgato lights Elgato microphone and yes, it's a It's a I don't know how it's like six foot by six foot Um stand-up screen. That's almost like one of the get in the car like in school I remember we used to have these screens and they would come up It's got these little articulating legs that come out. You can store it away. It's quite nice. I I love it I guess I could show it. I mean Yeah, well, and I thought I'd pull it up. I'm pretty sure I know which one it is. Um, so Yeah, it's great. We had one of these When I was at s and c, um, actually we had a couple of these. They're not too expensive It's 160 bucks Which if you're unfamiliar may sound like a lot, but trust me, it's actually not green screens can be really expensive And it's pretty heavy duty. Yeah, it's a metal casing. It's a good. It's a good quality thing It's also thick like a light won't go through the back of it Which is what you want for a good green screen the one I'm going to show you in a second Light goes through the back of it. So I have to do things with my with my um windows, but mine's um Pretty cheap and also, uh, yeah, we'll we'll show it in a second. But um, awesome In a very different way. Yeah, so Mine is and I'll go set it up in a second But mine clips to my chair and it's great for a tiny setup Um, it's also great for Inexpensive green screen. I do have long term plans. I I bought just green screen cloth And I want to make like a dowel and hang it from my ceiling so I can just pull it down But I haven't done that yet So, uh, this is what I have for now. So let me let me set that up I'll be right back Yeah, I'll guess the the best is it attaches to his seat. It's this bag And this thing gets stored in it and I just store this in my closet when I'm not using it and it's like a tent Like Batman it clips to the back of my chair. So if I go in here Right, it's like you're putting a diaper on It simply goes in the back of my chair, that's some high quality video content me putting that together, huh? Yeah, that was good. It's like you're putting a diaper on Yeah, it's a green screen diaper for my chair. Um So but as you can see, it's pretty Pretty big and I sit close enough My camera is framed as such that when I scoop my chair back in It covers the entire frame of my camera Um, now if if uh, you had a camera that was further away from you and you want to use something like this You could crop your camera in obs, right? You could totally to totally do that Um, so because the way I'm gonna do this, you will see the green screen effect in my obs setup, but not In my little square Over here and that'll be kind of good that you can kind of see that. So let me go back to obs here And I'm gonna make another new scene. Um, I'm gonna call this one uh camera plus screen screen so Camera green screened or something like that. Um, so let me actually move this up in the list and Right now I need to add another video capture device We've mentioned the last one the intricacies with adding devices multiple times and when can you do that? And when doesn't it work? So I'm gonna mention right off the bat that if you're doing this on windows, you will have to copy this Yeah, you know what I'll do it the windows way because this will work on macOS and windows You'll have to copy your original camera go to your new scene paste it And then we're gonna set a filter up that makes the green screen work, but we can't apply it to This webcam here. Otherwise it will affect the other scene we have Um, so I'm gonna do it the uh wrong way And then show you the right way in a second, but basically if I go into right click here It's not right. It's just maybe less convenient. Um, if I right click on my camera and go to filters Then I go to audio video filters Whoops, I'm wrong effect filters Then chroma key There we go. I'm starting the green screening process now the default settings seem to be actually really good for whatever lighting setup I have but this is really you have to dial this in typically. Um, I don't know. I must be again, maybe the white snowy Outside or the way I have my lighting But you can play you can play with these similarity values to make sure that it's getting out But as you can see like oh right now You can kind of still see it and there's also a green outline on everything So I have to crank this up Until it really gets everything out. But if I do this too much, I'll start disappearing from the scene So you have to be really careful and it can be subtle like right now. You can see that the green I'm like From like like it's getting my teeth. So sometimes the teeth. Yeah, and they look all black and broken. It's like, oh no Yes, you really got to dial with this and you want to be conservative on How far you crank it up? So right now I've got a little bit of an outline Um, and I'm going to get just far enough that that outline is not there too much And then you can play with the smoothness values, which will help with that outline you can key color spill reduction what this will do is Normally green when you have a lot of lighting on a green screen It's going to cast the whole image green a little bit like on your skin, right? Because that's how light works. It bounces. Um, this will compensate for that. So if I turn this down You can see actually just because I have enough light on me. It looks pretty much okay in my opinion But this will remove green from the picture. So if you have a lot of color spill It will color correct. Now eventually this gets to just black and white. So, um, but yeah, I'm gonna actually, um, You know, honestly, I think it looked really good with the defaults. So I'm gonna just hit the defaults button and go back to it But you can play with these and the main things you're going to play with is this similarity smoothness and key color spill There are other color types. So if you have like a blue Screen instead of a green one, you can do that. I see green most of the time I'm sure I don't know if you know, but there I think there are reasons people use other colors But green is the most common one. Do you know? I don't know why I know I've seen some blue ones. I've never seen a magenta one But I don't know why and as pilot mentioned last time Um, they tried this without a green screen just by like saying by turning on the filter This is not like zoom where it can do virtual background. This is it needs a actual green screen So if I set this to custom and then like pick, I don't know like a color That's the color of my wall. It's gonna crop me out Because turns out I am close to the color of my wall, right? So I'm gonna go back to defaults again, but yeah, so now I've got a green screen Uh camera, so I applied this to my camera And what that means is unfortunately this is applied to this source not the scene So if I go back To this camera one over here, you'll notice that This one is also green screen Not necessarily a problem if you're using green screen all the time If you want to be able to easily flip back and forth Um, you know between recording sessions or something you may want to do something different Um, and I'll show you that in a second Um, but you can also just go into the right click menu go to filters And just turn off the chroma key This is how you get out of green screen mode. Um, I also mentioned that the stream deck now supports a button That will turn this filter off too, which that's new. I hadn't seen that before today actually I don't know when it came out. I'm sure it came out before today, but my point is Last time I was messing with this stuff heavily. It wasn't there Um, there is a kind of workaround if you want to have a scene where green screening is on And it's not in another one. We can use the same workaround we did with the whole rounded corners thing So we can make a group And I'll call this chroma key And we can apply chroma keying to the group instead of the source So I'll apply I'll right click on this folder filter chroma key My defaults are good. I guess and there we go. So now this source has green screen off Or sorry source this scene has green screen off. This one has it on this is all a setup thing I personally like to have a separate scene for my green screen because I frequently Don't use green screening and sometimes I do and I I like the ability to just how did you do that again? You separated it by calling it a separate group I made a group. Yeah, I added a group to the sources list And then I applied the filter to the group And then I put the source inside the group It's kind of a hack and I would say a very advanced thing I think most people doing this are simply going in and turning that filter on and off Yeah, but I like the idea of having this setup So I don't have to mess with that because then what I have is I have a button on my stream deck for camera and camera green screen so it's just It's a little setup little goofy honestly But then after that, I never think about it, right? So Yeah, so I just turned mine off and so I'm gonna I'm gonna try something real quick. I'm gonna go and add group And then you're gonna call it chroma key Yep And then okay And then in that group Which is chroma key How do you get it in there? You right click on the group and then go to filters I got it And chroma key And then you will need to make sure that your camera is in the group if that makes sense Like you'll have to drag it in there So the camera That is interesting So the camera is in that group, but if I turn that group off It'll hide everything. Yeah Um, so it's kind of a neat hack and one one other thing. So we've got our chroma king setup. That's cool You probably don't want just a black background So it's important to keep in mind you can do a lot with this, right? So I can Let me copy this Both of these things and I'll make yet another scene. I'll call this screen plus screen screen And I can paste my I've got my webcam in here twice. Whoops So I can paste that in that's the chroma king I had set up and I can also Go and copy my screen capture And put that behind everything And there we go. Now I've got my screen on The thing so now I just need to resize myself here And go like put myself in the corner. That's interesting those groupings Yeah, again, it's honestly, I think it's an unintended way to use groupings But I do it a lot I saw that tip on like a youtube tutorial on obs and I like I love it because I again I I think in terms of scenes I like to have a button for every Possible scene on that I would want to use on my stream deck keeping in mind that The list gets long, but I'm not using all these all the time. So I don't need all of these on my stream deck as buttons like I don't need for instance, I don't put my getting started scenes on as A Button on the top level. You can also have folders on stream deck. So I have a folder with getting started scenes in it That lets me get to those But yeah, um, I really like to have that now you I've also seen people who have separate scene collections So last time we talked about the idea of switching between scene collections You could have a scene collection for when you're using a green screen and one for when you're not the problem is Uh, you have to remember to switch between them and I never do so I like to just do one big scene collection with all my stuff But you can do a lot with this, right? Let me copy this again. I'll duplicate this whole scene actually and I'm going to call this one Uh, actually, you know, you know what? I'm going to go back to my camera green screen And one other thing you can do Whoops, I had a resize here is you can of course add um Images behind you or just like just like you did. So let me just go back in here and um into my OBS library Where I save all my OBS stuff And I could throw the edtech logo On there in the corner Um, I could throw this like gif behind me Yeah, look at that. That's cool Whoops, it's in the Unfortunately in the chroma key. Whoops. Uh, so let me throw this gif grid and I'll make it bigger and there we go Uh, so you can do a lot of cool things with it, right? Yeah, totally Um, and that's that's chroma king. Um, so Yeah, you know the the group hold the whole apply the chroma key to the group that You know, whether you need or want that is up to you You may be more than happy to just have uh A filter that you turn on and off, but I like to kind of have it be its own thing and then I can mess with it um So it's kind of a neat hack that I like to show people even if it's a little complicated The green screen is awesome. It's fun to play with you can do a ton with it It makes it seem more professional. It really works the layers idea like green screen is fun Just to play around with to you know While away in the evening to figure out certain things. It's absolutely a blast What else is on your list? That's the end of my list. I wanted to show one other. We did it Yeah, we did it. I wanted to show one example I think of some prime green screening work. Um, and this is our understanding container session And we used you and I didn't use stream yard, which is the platform that we typically record these things in we used obs and A tool that we're not going to have time to talk about today But a tool called obs ninja to kind of combine our video feeds basically Which is great. Yeah, and we it's a great tool We could do a whole course on you know what someday we'll do an obs 201 and that will definitely be in there But uh, this is uh, what it looked like and we could only accomplish this because of Oh, this is not the right one. I think we started this on session two. I guess I think this is definitely a session one was just me, but um We both green screened ourselves in and the great thing about that was that allowed me to have my screen be full screen And but we were still in the video unlike now where we have to shrink the screen down and put ourselves in little boxes And we decided that that was going to be really important for this one because there's going to be so much work with the terminal And text that people were going to need to see and it was just going to be a good thing To be able to maximize the size of the content that we were showing So not only is it a cool professional thing, but I think it also has some like real straight ahead pragmatic I guess practical is the right word Like I want the thing to take up as much space as possible so I can see it better. I tell you I used I used um What is called obs ninja and you can find it by just going online and searching obs ninja. It's a website. It's Kind of easy to use it seems complicated, but it's not but again, we won't get into it But I use that to pull myself And shahira who's a friend who we do karaoke with so we have both of us She's in germany. I'm in italy at the bottom each of the screen Singing to a youtube video. That's the kind of you know green screen Pull in your thing and obs makes something like, you know distributed karaoke for an example Really easy and seamless audio is always tricky. Yeah, because there's always latency But there are some ways to deal with that But at the same time, you know, it really is kind of impressive what you can do with obs Yeah, and I know we keep saying we're not going to talk about obs ninja. Oh, here here we go. You can see the limits of I love it. That's the best part of it. Well, I turn my chair He just goes like this Make the merciless. Yeah make the merciless Uh, which I don't have a image queued up, but anyway Great if you did. Um, is that star trek or what is that from? flash gordon and it's it's um Max von cedau star treks of fans around the world are yelling at me right now. Yeah, it's one of his early American like debut is and he played this great villain for flash gordon ming the merciless and he has this big circular Like thing behind him, but it's part of his wardrobe. It's a very italian wardrobe because it was done by uh, Dino de la rentas and it's just oh there it is see that thing behind him that gold thing I always think of you as making the merciless with that collar It's a huge green collar. So uh Yeah, so and it will say so obs ninja such a cool tool That lets you send video feeds over the internet. It's kind of like oh ndi, but for The web basically and it works because obs can display Uh web pages like directly as a source which again i view is a very advanced thing That we'll cover that in 201 because there's some cool things you can do with that They haven't changed their name though to vdo ninja. Yeah, I think they they got flak from the obs project because Of the name. I'm not really sure why but it's too bad because it's open source And like it's a free tool and not only is it open source It's completely browser based in that it is a static web page You can host your own obs ninja on shared hosting. I've done it um at at snc I hacked up a version of obs ninja where I basically just deleted half of the tools in it And then we had faculty use it for sharing just their screen with students and the idea was in a in covet That people wanted to share Their screen with students so that they could view what Faculty were doing on their laptop screens Uh, but not being a zoom call together And so I used obs ninja for that By basically just turning off most the buttons and saying go here The only button you can click on is the one you need and it was so cool because it's just a web page So all of the smarts that are happening there is actually between your two computers. There's no server. That's like Distributing the video in a way like peer tube or youtube is that's right fascinating technology. I I would love to learn Why that even works honestly It's something to do with web rtc and the browser codex and things. It's fascinating technology anyway, we are over time And I know you got something to run to as well But uh anything else you wanted to talk about before we sign off and put a wrap on this obs flux course No, it's great. You know I Whoa what Blinking out of existence You I you can't do that in zoom No, can you? No, I mean come on. Well, you could turn your Camera on and off, but it would look it wouldn't work very well. I can brand always be branding. Look at this ready Always be brandy. Hold on. Hold on. Oh Reclaim cloud Yeah, I love it I obs is a blast and then the other thing and there's a totally different discussion is obs does a lot of things that other tools that people use for video like ATEM mini and I kind of went into the wilderness with an ATEM mini for a while But I'm back to obs because it's just another piece of hardware That like you need to do everything obs already does I like ATEM mini for certain things don't get me wrong for sure I think obs is easier and more available I think you and tim did some stuff on the ATEM mini on a couple of different reclaimed today episodes So if folks are curious, you can find that And the ATEM mini is a fascinating piece of hardware. It's Not it's cheap for what it is, but it isn't objectively cheap. It's like professional video Like it's like almost like novice professional like yeah, it's that prosumer kind of thing, right? So but you know for I would say for anyone doing video stuff where they're at their desk doing like Screen tutorials screen sharing tutorials Things like that. I think ATEM mini is Not the direction to go simply because you're not dealing with a lot of video sources You're only dealing with like one your camera And everything else is kind of like I want to bring an image in and I want to bring my screen in and obs is amazing for that ATEM mini is hardware is super cool if you're doing multiple cameras Maybe live video in a physical space where you're together with people and switching And and not that it's the only use case. I'm just saying That's when I would want to upgrade to something like that. That's sort of physical hardware But for folks don't need that yet obs is amazing and I'll also say you can also combine them like our stuff we did Yeah, that domains 101. I'm pretty proud of that the domains 101 tool one that we did in May We were using a device very similar to the ATEM mini piped into obs to add a special sauce on top of it Piped in a stream yard. We were three layers of video mixing To kind of do something really cool with like hybrid where we had pilot Coming in that's right to visit us in a physical space where you lauren and I were together And all share of our screens together and broadcast that all over it was amazing It's amazing what you can do and obs for me is often the glue that puts these things together You know what Taylor when you're right you're right and you're right Fantastic, so We'll see you all. Thank you for joining us and let us know if you have questions or you know gear Questions, whatever. We're happy to talk about it. So Damn Bye