 Before we start the meeting this evening just want to announce a couple things first of all did everyone get a chance to look at the JC parade roster Okay, everyone got to see it. Okay, so we don't miss anyone Second thing is the governor will be in town tomorrow at 1 o'clock. He'll be at fire station 3 He'll be Discussing some of the issues which are going on in the state. Hopefully he'll touch Touch a little bit on the budget where he's at with that So if anyone or all the alderman or any one of you can make it out to fire station 3 at 1 o'clock Hopefully you can come out there and support him. So look forward seeing you Okay with that. Oh Yes, yes, we have deputy chief Sherwin with us this evening and deputy chief could you just fill us in on a tornado and the sirens yesterday? And there was a question why the city didn't turn on their sirens yesterday. Could you explain that the reasoning and Could you hold a microphone, please Sure, is that on try it once testing. Yep. It sounds like it's got enough power there. So good on Sunday, July 6th 2003 at approximately 515 p.m Information was received through the national weather service of a tornado in the area of may well mayville Located in the western Dodge County In Clement weather was moving in an easterly direction and in a funnel cloud had also been noted in the area of Kiewaskam near the far western part of Sheboygan County In Clement weather was moving in an easterly direction with the cities of random lake and later Cedar Grove in its path The Sheriff's Department Activated the county sirens because a portion of the county was likely to be in the path of the funnel clouds The city of Sheboygan was not in the in their path The Sheboygan Police Department was advised the situation by the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department Sheboygan Police Supervisors assigned officers to monitor the west side of the city I-43 and highway 23 and I-43 and highway 28 Sheboygan police officers monitored the weather along with a dispatch monitoring communication and radio equipment Additional monitoring was conducted by a computer in the weather channel Due to the fact that all the information Obtained indicated that the possible tornado Activity was proceeding approximately 15 miles south of the city The emergency warning sirens were not activated as a storm was proceeding east police supervision Was receiving information that it was dissipating it was felt that premature activation of the warning Signs sirens could cause undue stress and create hazardous situations for hospitals nursing homes businesses and individuals hurriedly seeking shelter The Sheboygan Police Department is concerned for the security of our citizens and are committed to providing the best possible police service to ensure their safety We care about our citizens and at times we need to make a judgment call a Supervisors making that determination Did so with every effort being made to make the best and wisest decision If in their opinion the situation would have changed to actively threatening Citizens the sirens would have been activated Thank you. Thank you deputy chief Hopefully that'll explain that Betty if you get any calls You'll be able to refer that. Okay Okay with that Pat we will start the regulars this regular seventh meeting common council Pat when you call the roll, please Bowman Berg Bonnet Doyle Groth Manny Montemayor Moody Perez Rene Flesh Stefan Ben Akron Vanderweal Wongamon Warner Winninger 16 present forms present Alderman Groth Thank you, and I would ask that we I would move to approve the minutes of the previous common council meeting in the same Stand approved as entered on the record Move to the second that we approved the minutes of the previous council meeting under discussion Hearing none all in favor Opposed motion carried Alderman Graf for the pledge Alderman Graf for the recent pledge, please. I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all We have one notice this evening and that's ordinance has been introduced for the vacation and discontinuance of That part of South 12th Street from the north line of Indiana Avenue North to the south line of the railroad right of way between blocks 245 and 246 of the original plot Jim Randall Jim you'll have five minutes come to the microphone pick up the microphone and use it, please This is in regard to the parking rules. I was at the rules committee last week or week before They said if they're not Not broken don't fix them. Well, I feel they are broken I feel that the winter parking rules are terrible parking one side flip-flopping daily is really bad Bad for retired people people with two cars people with no driveway people with no garage I do not sell the water street. There are eight residences for our double flats 15 different families and renters 18 cars and only three driveways two blocks away the rest of Water Street, they've got nine residences six are double flats Approximately 18 different families and renters 17 cars and five driveways. I Think they're 30 years. I don't care to move But if I'd have to I would I mean I'm just getting sick of it During a snow emergency we can't even park on either side because we are on a snow emergency route Just so the flowers can turn around I Park over at the huddled Old huddled parking lot by the meter because you can park there overnight. That's two blocks away Normally people don't move their cars every day. I know they're supposed to but they don't especially as a person has more than one car Or if they are double flats in the vicinity or there's two drivers in the house. You got two cars People renting from the family. I Would like to know how you people on a council if you have the park on the street like we do It's blows air off before you go to bed You have to move the car the other side of the street You say why did you have it on that other side street right away? Well, there's people that parked there during the day You've got friends coming over You just you just don't you get groceries you unload them you forget about the car I don't know how many times my kid told me before I'm ready to go to bed I got to move the car across street because I got mine moved you got to move yours now Or we got a blizzard outside or the start of a snowstorm We have to go out special just to move the car the other side of the street If it would be on the right side right away, it'd be okay It'd be like parking like they had one year at a time one year and flip flop the next year Let's see what else they got Sometimes it's so cold a car won't start well normally when it happened to me I would just take a cab or walk to work. I wouldn't worry about it It warms up in a couple days and she bore you in any way now We have to either get the thing moved you got to get a jump you got to get Spend time outside. It is beautiful cold weather just to get it to the other side of the street You people are making the winter time a real hassle much worse than it should be The winters are easier nowadays with the snow and the cold but with all your rules It's just more of a pain in a neck Last year. We had no us knows no snow emergency, but we had the hassle Please change the rules back to one side all winter till they are changes Thank you All of my graph Thank you. It's an agenda. I would move that for documents 7 1 through 7 32 that all our O's and communications be accepted and filed and That all our C's be accepted and adopted and we pass all resolutions exception Okay, what's the exception number 30 Alderman graph? Right with the exception of number 30, which will lie over will lock well After talking to the chairman of the committee It should be sent back to public protection and safety. Okay refer back You need a motion. No, no, that's okay Okay, we have motion beef. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead I'm 728 which is the document regarding the Plan for distribution of the Florence. I'm Becker trust I just want to make a comment about that that was discussed in in finance committee and we agreed with it but One of the things that were done with that with that document was setting a limit of $5,000 for use for operations for the senior center. They place that limit on there I don't believe they really had to but they decided to so that Everybody knew that the majority of those funds would be spent for either construction or something like that that's needed But knowing that the next several years are going to be very very tough budgeting years. I hope that they have a way to relieve that that limit of $5,000 and Maybe up it in case they need it and that's the only comment. I want to make on that. Otherwise everything Thank you. We have motion before us to accept and adopt all our C's Except to file all our O's and past communications or resolutions Alderman Mooney Thank you, I would like to pull 727 for a separate roll call vote, please this is Various confirming resolutions for water lateral replacements and water main extensions. This is in the area of my 14th abroad we were I live in Colorado court and Colorado court Union Avenue and 15th Street and Broadway Avenue these people did get notice pretty short notice that they had to pay for these Laterals and and I've been consistent with voting against this and I would like to vote against it again. Thank you Okay with that hearing No other path do a roll call on 727 Oh For Bonnet Doyle graph Manny Montemayor Moody no Perez Windflash Stefan Ben Akron Vanderwheel Rungerman no Warner Weninger Bowman 11 eyes 5 nose motion carry Okay, the rest seven seven one through seven thirty two if there's no other discussion Pat would you call her old place? for me Doyle graph Manny Montemayor Moody Perez Rindflash Stefan Van Akron Vanderwheel Wongerman Warner Weninger Bowman for 16 eyes motion carried Thank you for coming this evening 733 through 737 to be referred 738 will lie over to August 4th 739 same thing 738 and 39 both lay over to August 4 740 through 753 to be referred 754 by Alderman Graf Wininger Bonnet Doyle and Stefan transferring funds to increase appropriations for the for the payment of the balance of the mortgage of South Pier project land From a general fund advance Alderman Graf No, no, I need to ask for suspension Would a second for suspension. Are there any objections? Hearing none proceed Then I just to preface The motion this is so that we can pay off The balance of the the coke mortgage, which is a lot higher which is at a lot higher rate Then we are borrowing money for right now Therefore, we're really saving money by doing this this early Transaction and with that I will move that the resolution to put upon this passage Move to second the resolution be put upon this passage under discussion Hearing none, what do you call role, please Doyle Graf Manny money mayor Moody Perez Greenflage Stefan then Akron Vanderbilt Wonderman Warner Weninger Bowman Berg Bonnet 16 eyes motion carried 755 by Alderman Graf transfer appropriations in the 2003 budget Alderman Graf I Would ask suspension Moved in second for suspension. Are there any objections to suspension hearing none proceed on the reason for this resolution is that We have the we we did this transfer before but we didn't have the appropriation account set up So this will set up the appropriation account so that the money that we are borrowing will have a place to to go So with that I will move that the resolution be put upon this passage So the second a resolution be put upon this passage under discussion hearing none. What do you call the role, please graph? Manny Monty mayor Moody Perez rim flesh Stefan then Akron Vanderbilt Longamon Warner Weninger Bowman Berg Bonnet Doyle 16 eyes motion carried 756 by Alderman Graf Weninger Bonnet Doyle and Stefan establishing limits for the 2004 budget request for the general fund Yeah, and I would move that the resolution be put upon a passage Move move this I got a resolution be put upon this passage under discussion Yeah under discussion. I need to make an amendment to this and everybody has a copy of it on their desk So unless somebody would prefer I will not read it But it's two paragraphs that and Patrick you have a copy of that You might want to read it just so our public knows okay The amendment would be be it further resolved that the departmental requests for the 2004 general fund budget Will exclude positions that are vacant and have not been approved for filling by the salaries and grievance committee as of August 8th 2003 be it further resolved that the departmental requests for 2004 Capital outlay appropriations in the general fund shall be delayed until the first quarter of 2004 I need a second under discussion right Alderman Montemare Thank you. I want to thank the committee for watching our money I'm glad to see all these suspensions Concerning our money and getting a better rate so forth and so on and this resolution. Thanks Alderman press Thank you, your honor. I joined Alderman Montemire in that praise for the for the committee What I'd like to point out though is I have a little problem with the second amendment the first amendment to the to the resolution and I have that concerned because it appears to Effectively eliminate the fundamental responsibility of the selling and grievance committee and that is in reviewing requests for for positions or fulfilling positions As it as it is now we will have after August 8th Possibly a lot of people out of work. Well, a lot of people are getting raises And we will have a lot of people out of work without due discussion to the worthiness of the other positions This in effect just eliminates any request for whatever reason without due discussion in the selling grievance committee I believe that this council has needs to trust the selling agreement's committee to make the right decisions and amendment the resolution and Such matter does not extend that courtesy to the selling grievance So I am going to vote against it for the amendment for that reason and I hope other members do too. Thank you Okay, Alderman Baldwin. Oh, thank you your honor. Actually Alderman Perez took the words right out of my mouth I possibly will also vote against this proposed Change Alderman Stephan Yes, your honor, I guess I agree with them. I just want to make sure I understand this The way it reads to me would be if the position was vacant Somebody left the position was open and it hadn't been approved to be filled It wouldn't get filled. But like if somebody You know quits or resigns or retires in September Does it mean automatically you're not filling it? No, Alderman Yeah, you know, that's what that's a question I guess some people think it's only the ones that are vacant and not filled as of August 8th Because they're not filled because somebody's decided we haven't needed them Like maybe some agreements committee hasn't put them on said no, we're not going to fill that one right now That was my understanding. I guess that's what we need a little clarification If I have this correctly Rich is here to help in case I don't there are a number of positions in various departments that are presently open Have not been filled for probably Six months to a year if not longer and those positions have never come to souring grievance to be asked to be filled So what we're saying here if they don't come to souring grievance Well, first of all, it's the mayor and then to souring grievance if they don't come to souring grievance to ask for those positions To be filled before August 8th of 2003 then those positions will not be budgeted in 2004 They will stay on the to go they will stay on the to but they will not be budgeted This way gives some direction to each department That they do not have if they are not going to ask for that position to be filled by August 8th Don't bother asking for it to be filled in 2004 because there will not be money appropriated for that position in All the one right flesh If that's the case, I definitely agree with that in terms of Being able to work with our budget a little bit, but I see the language being a little bit different from that I will certainly support if that's the intent. However, it looks to me as if we're holding at a zero average increase of zero percent excluding ones that we haven't included yet meaning that Positions that have not been filled by August 8th are excluded from the zero percent increase net. That's the language that would ask to be changed Okay, all of them in order Thank you, I guess I wasn't aware that this amendment was going to be talked about tonight But I after I look at it here I guess I can support it and I guess my question would be to Alderman bin Ackman if he thinks August 8th is enough time For any positions that may want to be brought into salary grievance so they can still review more if he would need another week Because I see it's not really an issue of filling the positions It's a budgetary issue so we can get a budget set up in time and not have something come along at a later date in 2005 they're still on the on the to and if the position needs to be filled it's still there We're not taking it away It's it's making sure that we have everything filled up in time for the budget And I think that's a reasonable request, but if Alderman bin Akron feels he needed another week I wouldn't be opposed to that either, but I think salary grievance unless Don they've changed There'd be like possibility of three meetings between now and August 8th. So I guess In my eyes, I would support it. I think it's worthwhile Resolution so but I think that salary grievance if they think they can meet the the needs I don't know that there's that many positions coming forward yet At least from the departments that I'm in charge of with public protection and safety I don't I don't think there's very many that haven't been brought brought forward already. So All in bottom Thank you, your honor. I know it's my second time up and I won't ask to stand again. I Have a question for time if I could please Mr. Holton is the positions that are open in public works right now have those been requested through That committee already No, we had five last year But the balance we have 13 and a half open right now, and we haven't done the requesting yet for those Fillings, okay, do we have the need to fill those positions some of them? Yes, and we'll be working with the mayor to determine that Thank you Hang on. Okay, all of them invent you had your light gone. Okay all of them Ben Akron I don't think that's that three meetings that we're going to be swamped by All these open meetings that we're going to have and also I'm afraid that some of these positions these are different departments may be using to cut their budget if we take them away How are they going to cut their budgets? So there's another concern They may be using holding back to cut their budgets because everybody's going to have to cut their budgets And they may use that as cutting budgets and if we take away by august They won't have that option What time frame do you need? We don't have a meeting this next week because we didn't have anything we still don't have nothing So nobody's put in for anything We only got one more In this month and one more in august. That's it. That's two meetings Yeah, our schedule meetings if we'd have to we'd have to call the special meetings All of my prayers Thank you, all of them have been there pretty much stated what I was going to follow up with. Thank you. Okay I will thank you all of it's definitely I'm sure we change it to make sure what we got is what it says I guess I read it all over and stuff and it has consistent with I believe what color and gromp indicated that doesn't wipe the positions off the table for organizations. They're still there, but Not going to be able when the partner puts together their budget for 2004 to include those salaries for those positions in the budget and I think that's what it says I wasn't I wasn't aware of what the intent was for Tonight either, but I think that's what Alderman grow off question for you if we have all them We have august 8th on that correct Rich budget. We have to get everything in place If you'd back it up to the 24th, I believe would be Don's next meeting in august possibly somewhere I think that's going to be a little bit late for the department's to submit the request after that point in time For us to process it and get it into the council So we were looking at that at the first meeting august 7th of souring grievance As a timeline to work with the department's to have time to submit the request after that Okay Alderman graff, where'd you think that do you have the number of positions that we're talking about? Some are I'm not sure in the police department whether it's one or four for different interpretations And there's No time set about 13 and he has a department and then there's a housing environmental inspector And recently we had a programmer analyst Leave our department. So that's an opening there So it would be approximately 17 if I come right 17 to 18 or so. I projected out somewhere around $800,000 maybe total Wages with with benefits One in the fire department, okay And that is one reason we asked for august days to give them time give the department It's time to come in and request what they really truly need and we can go from there and get a good feeling or the budget is So we understand it now they come to you first and then you tell them go ahead go to selling grievance or either or Alderman manning Thank you your honor Quick question. The second amendment to the resolution My question is why would this be beneficial for our 2004 budget? Which in our previous budget such as 2003 we allow the departments to request the the capital outlay But then ordered to meet the expenditure restraint limit, which For 2003 was 2.3 percent We had to remove the capital outlay appropriations. We knew we were going to fund that from The transfer from the cable funds So we just established that in the first quarter of 2003 It was not in the original budget So we're looking at reality here with the with The budget parameters that are coming up We realize that we will be following the same sequence And we will have a concern also about meeting expenditure restraints again this year So we thought it was logical just to Postpone that portion of it until the first quarter 2004 and have that funded from the cable funds again If there's no other questions No other discussion. Pat, would you call her old please? This is just um on the amendment If you want to roll call there Manny Yeah Monty mayor Moody Perez Rindflage Stefan Aye Van Akron No Vanderweel Aye Wongamon No Warner Aye Winniger Aye Baumann No Berg No Bonet Aye Doyle Aye Graf Aye Nine eyes Seven nose Move to second resolution be put upon this passage under discussion Hearing none, would you call the roll please? Don't need one Don't need one? All in favor? Aye Aye Opposed? No No Now you need a roll call Motion carried Now you need a roll call Okay That was that was pretty close Okay Monty mayor Oh aye Moody Aye Perez No Rindflage No Stefan Aye Van Akron No Vanderweel Aye Wongamon No Warner Aye Winniger Aye Baumann No Berg No Bonet Aye Doyle Aye Graf Aye Manny No Nineteenth It comes out the same Same with a okay Okay 757 through 761 to be referred No excuse me lies over 762 through 769 to be referred 770 will lie over 771 by public protection of safety recommending denying beverage operator license 5972 based on his failure to include all relevant convictions on his application multiple multiple convictions on charges related to the proposed license activity and the status of the application as repeat a law violator and beverage operator license 6013 based on the applicants in an eligibility for a license Alderman Vanderweely Thank you Your Honor I'd like to make a motion to accept and adopt a report of committee and deny the two licenses Move this second to accept and adopt a report of committee Alderman Vanderweel And I'd like to ask if number 5972 and 6013 want to speak on their behalf they're not here Your Honor Okay Okay we have a motion before us Is there any other discussion Pat would you call the roll please Moody Perez Rinfight Stefan Ben Akron Vanderweel Longerman Warner Weninger Bowman Bird Boone Doyle Groff Manny Monty Mayor 16 ayes Motion carried 772 will be referred Matters laid over Excuse me 13 R.O. by the city planning commission vacating the part of south 12th street from the north line of Indiana avenue to the south line of derail road right away Alderman Orner Thank you Your Honor I move the ordinance and report of officer be placed on file in the attached substitute ordinance be put upon as passage Move this second that the R.O. be accepted in file ordinance be put in the general ordinance be put upon as passage under discussion Under discussion Your Honor this street will never go through and in the area that it is at this time is a railroad right away behind it and the property will become part of the two abutting properties of 1136 and 1206 Indiana avenue Thank you If there's no other discussion would you call the roll please Perez Rinfight Stefan Ben Akron Vanderweel Longerman Warner Weninger Bowman Bird Boone Doyle Graf Manny Montemare Moody Sixteen eyes Motion carried 648 will lie over 650 resolution by Alderman Graf Weninger, Boney Transformer Appropriations and the 2003 budget Alderman Graf Your Honor I move that the resolution be put upon as passage Moved and seconded resolution be put upon as passage under discussion Hearing none would you call the roll please Rinfight Stefan Ben Akron Vanderweel Longerman Warner Weninger Bowman Berg Boone Doyle Graf Manny Montemare Moody Perez Sixteen eyes Motion carried 660 general 461 will lie over also 660 general ordinance by Alderman Warner Wonderman Vanderweel Manny in the municipal code so as to require animal fanciers permits Alderman Warner Well thank you Your Honor I make a motion the general ordinance be put upon as passage Moved and seconded general ordinance be put upon as passage Is there any discussion Under discussion Your Honor This is a pet fanciers permit ordinance and this ordinance is a result of a year-long effort by the pet fanciers committee a subcommittee of public protection and safety approved by the common council to address the serious problem in our community Alderman Vanderweel and Bowman along with Pete Fullerton and assistant city attorney Chuck Adams has spent many hours working on this ordinance along with Melanie Nick a citizen of our community and Nicole Lena coming up with a workable and effective ordinance The police and building inspection have not had a tool to deal with individuals that continually create problems for their neighbors by having more pets than they can properly care for This ordinance does not limit the number of pets a person may own nor does it prohibit anyone from having a pet It does give a very necessary tool to the police and building inspection to solve some very real problems in our city I congratulate the subcommittee for sticking with it and bringing forth an ordinance that is fair and will help to protect neighbors of pet owners that are not responsible in the care of their pets as well as the welfare of those animals Your public protection safety committee upon review recommends approval of this ordinance Thank you Thank you Alderman Vanderwill Thank you Your Honor I just have a question for Steve Do I need to amend this now or do I wait? I need to make an amendment Make a motion to amend section one of the pet fancier permit Let's move it a second and Alderman Vanderwill In section 1857 A.A. it needs to read In this section the term domestic animal includes all animals income passed under the definitions provided in section 95.001 A.D. and 169.017 Wisconsin Statues Okay, we'll vote on amendment first if there's another discussion on amendment Oh, I'm sorry Steve By way of clarification question came up a week or so ago as to whether or not the parakeets or pet birds were included as domestic animals under the the ordinance The original definition didn't address birds but the additional definition in 169.01 does include pet birds as domestic animals so they would be included pet birds that would be parakeets or cockatoos or any other type of bird It was just felt to make it clear up front as to what's being covered Alderman Bowen, did you want to speak on the amendment? You want to get that Alderman Rainflish, did you want to speak on the amendment? Concerning the definition as well fish Does that include the definition? I wasn't asked to look at that It's a good question and off the cuff I don't have an answer for you You'll have to look at that one I'll get back to you Okay, we have an amendment before us Would you call the roll please? You sure? Okay All in favor of the amendment? Opposed? Alderman Van Wille Do you want to pass it as amended? Make a motion Okay It's been moved Move to second to pass as amended Under discussion Alderman Bowen Thank you, your honor Even though I did ask to speak earlier This is fine I'll still speak now When you were talking about fish earlier Yeah, fish can also cause quite an order When water becomes acidic And when it becomes acidic It's going to definitely start stinking big time So that's the answer to that But otherwise I'm probably one of the most responsible people Concerning pets On this council And needless to say When I was asked to be on this committee I felt very honored to do so Although it was a subcommittee I worked very hard along with Alderman Van Wille And the other persons named by Alderman Werner In the beginning I was very apprehensive About the permit And then as we were going through it We did realize that the numbers we did put in here Again, as mentioned earlier Do not restrict the number of pets a person can own It basically does state though That if they become out of hand This is when we'll be taking over With our permits and what have you Their permits are also extremely inexpensive And if they are purchasing licenses For their dogs and cats And or the potbellied pigs The permit would be included with it Otherwise it is only a $3 cost for the permit Thank you Thank you I just wanted to add one thing that That on involvement and wanted to catch or cover A lot of citizens have talked to me About the pet stores in town Related to this permit And I just wanted to clarify That they are included The pet stores are included under this permit Thank you Thank you There's no other discussion Would you call the roll please, Pat? Stefan? Aye Van Akron? Aye Van Akron? Aye Van Akron? Aye Van Akron? Aye Van Akron? Aye Van Derweel? Aye Wonderman? No Werner? Aye Winniger? No Bauman? Aye Berg? Aye Boney? Aye Doyle? Aye Graf? Aye Manny? Aye Montemayor? Aye Moody? Aye Perez? No Rinfleisch? No 12 ayes, 4 noes Motion carried 773 we'll go to plan commission 774 we'll go to plan commission Ski of other matters 775 is an RO by the city clerk submitting a communication received by the mayor from Dolores Olson of the chamber of commerce requesting various items from the city for the upcoming event on August 9th at the Art Center and Wild Center for Kevin Costner Public works 776 is an RO by the city clerk submitting a communication from David Bronson requesting the city deed a parcel of property to him located on the west side of his lot that orders the railroad tracks Plan commission 777 is a resolution by Alderperson Bauman authorizing entering into agreement with Sigma Environmental Services for the Environmental Observation and Documentation for 2003 construction activities at Harbour Center pure in the amount not to exceed $49,350 and for phase 2 environmental site assessment at the northwest corner of south 8th and Indiana in the amount of $18,855 That will go to finance Move to the second day adjourn under discussion Hearing none all in favor All in favor