 here's some old wisdom one in doubt pull out relax that's not what you think this is a fitness tip I'm talking about exercise here look there's training to technical failure and then there's training to absolute failure we do not advocate for training to absolute failure what is that that's when you lift the weight to the point we can't even move it anymore here's what happens with that your form will break down and what you train is what you strengthen so you want bad recruitment patterns you want higher chance of injury been trained to absolute failure otherwise trained in technical failure what does that mean the last rep you do is the last one you feel like you could do with perfect form that will serve you much better so if you're gonna train to failure do it the right way awesome we'll be monetize this train the main thing and you doubt it you gotta pull out yeah I see I made the connection there yeah the fact intense a deep price Doug didn't pull the plug no I tried this morning ideas I don't know and a little bit caffeine you know but I do I do find that this is one of those things that we have to say over and over yeah and I and I know that because I feel like I even myself I have a tendency to want to do that to write the train I still to this day probably train to failure more than I I need to yeah because there's something about that addiction to wanting to feel sore or to root to take it to the limit and be like I'm consumed by the momentum you know of what you're doing and you just keep going and you guys think it's more do you think it's a you think it's a like a man thing more than it is like a woman do you think I feel like oh I do I wait maybe I feel like with with women I I've you ever seen a woman do cardio to failure I have oh okay so you're gonna use that it's about weights right now yeah I don't think it's cuz guys that's a really I want to get big yeah I always felt like with with with my female clients I always they were some of my female clients were my most technical best form clients I have I had more women that could perfect a beautiful squat or deadlift than I then I did a man and a lot of times I think or I attribute that to they were always like you they were very meticulous about the detail of the form technique and they would always lean on the I'd rather be light and safe and smart than to stretch myself too much and I'd always have to kind of encourage them to oh you could do more I could tell you could do more no you're my man it was just like oh I could put I could put more like now that first one was pretty sure actually that first one was bad bro we shouldn't do it anymore there's also like there's a bias with training more women higher trainers than men do and I think it's just you know it's like that what's that old adage like you know pull over and ask for directions you have to do that anymore these days asking for help GPS yeah so but very good male but I look I did this right where I would go to I thought going to failure and I got this from reading there's studies there's studies that support this yeah and what happens is look fatigue is the op is literally the enemy of technique and form fatigue will crush I don't care how great your technique and form is when fatigue starts to set in your technique is not going to be as good that's a fact with anything that you do okay so if you're going to the point where you can't move anymore what ends up happening is that last rep or two you're now strengthening a pattern or a movement or the way you're doing the movement in a way that's less than optimal and then that's what you end up strengthening that's what ends up becoming your default pattern so if you have this slight twist you know you'll use an example that's that's obvious and easy to see your bench pressing and you do that kind of failure the bar stuck and you're like you're just keep pushing because you you got to do that absolutely and then your body starts to twist a little bit and you start to move a little bit and then you fail what you're strengthening is this twisting pressing motion which is not proper technique or form and this is when things start to get bad. Yeah no I think it's more than just that too. I can't remember what I was going to say though. Waiting for you to finish your studies. It fries the hell out of you. No no no it's no it's the problem with the studies that the studies that support failure training is not it's not realistic to what real life is for the average person. You take a six to 12 week study to prove that failure training gets X amount of growth or potential strength out of it. What you're not factoring in is that the average person has these ups and downs of energy, sleep, you know, hydration, proper nutrition and it's like all these things are adding in the pre-requisites. Adding in the stress bucket okay and when you and training to failure is is way more stress than just training period. Training period is already a stress and then training to failure is way more stress and if you add that with somebody who is also lacking sleep for the last three days or they're a little bit like they didn't get their calorie intake or they're just frustrated with work that changes that outcome of that study. But that's not how that study works. That study is very controlled. It's like oh there's a short athletes that already have like built a base to and so it's not like an average person like they don't have any of the prerequisites like going into like you have to build up your body quite a bit to be able to handle you know going to that degree of intensity. It's not it's not necessary. It's all it's typically too much. But even if you look at you like you brought up those studies is 12 weeks that is 15 weeks that is in the context of I want to try to work out for the rest of my life or let's just shorten it in the context of five years. Okay. Not who decides they're going to work out for 12 weeks and then stop. I don't think anybody starts that way. Everybody that happens because people quit. But when people start do you tell them oh so you plan on totally quitting after 12 12 weeks will say no I want to keep doing this. So if we look at the context of how longer to be doing this for that kind of all out intensity sprint will fail. It's like looking at a run and saying run 50 yards. Well the person who's going to do the best is the person's going to run the fastest and the hardest. You make that a 50 mile run. The person who tries to sprint out the gates right away. They're going to fall down. They're going to hurt themselves. They're not going to be able to complete the race. So it is beneficial in short bursts. If you do it properly. If you do it appropriately. If it's right for your body. There's lots of caveats here. But in the short bursts. Yeah just like they did that one study that showed where they took a group of people and they added volume every week and I think it was a I want to say a 15 week study. At the end of the study the group that did 52 sets per body part had the best results. Okay. Keep doing 52 sets. Let's watch what happens. It'll start to go backwards. It'll start to go backwards. But it was a short sprint and this is how you should train your body. 90% of the time you're cruising and you're training properly and you're taking care of yourself. 10% of the time when you feel good. All the stars aligned. Everything looks perfect. Diet, sleep, supplements, recovery. Optimize adapt. Optimize adapt. They know sprint. There's a good golf analogy here. Like if you've ever tried to golf with people that know how to golf and you're trying to learn how to golf. A lot of times they will recommend to you to like just use like your seven iron and not use the driver and just and just play with that because it's it's an easy iron to hit and it's kind of safe. There's not a lot of room for air. You're not going to crush it way left or way right like you can with a driver. Drivers way more consistency. Yeah. Drivers way more technical but the nothing is going to send a golf ball further than a than a driver. If you hit that hard and sweet and just ride that thing will go go flying but it's like very very technical and your skill and you many times you'll play way better and I've done this where I've played rounds. I'm like I just am not going to play with my driver. I'm just going to play with my irons. The slightest hitch in your swing and it's going to go exponentially further to the left or right. Exactly. This is how I beat you guys at Topgolf. And I and I feel this. It's true. I feel like failure training is like that. Right. Of course a driver in golf is necessary at the elite levels to to beat everybody else. But for the average person who is just kind of figuring the game out playing it safe and smart. Trust me you'll probably play a lot better get way better results win a lot of matches just by playing smart and safe. And then over time you will learn how to use that throttle down or use that driver. I don't know golf but what's the most used iron in golf. Is it the driver. Like the seven. Okay. So even in them even with them they're not using this you know this this this club that blast of all. They're even using that in a small percentage of time. Most of the game they're using other tools. Right. Right. So it's the same thing. That's right. That's why it's a good analogy because you you obviously wouldn't use a driver. Nobody would use even a professional. But you use it at every every tee off. Yeah. Almost every time unless you have. That's your sprint. Yeah. And so again if you the room for air with something like that is what makes me think of that analogy is same thing goes for failure. It's like and you can absolutely play your best golf that you've ever played and never use it. I feel like the same thing goes for training results. You can see incredible results and never have used training to failure. No. In fact most of my clients I told them never go to failure. That's that was the vast majority. The ones that I teach that I would talk or teach how to use failure were at the level where they it would be appropriate occasionally. And they had been training consistently. Their form was good. They knew how to get to technical failure and not beyond. Which takes some time applying it beforehand before all those things it won't get you there any faster. If anything it'll get you there a lot slower. But again I want to use that analogy of top golf when we play. Anywhere any way you can insert. You guys want to remind everybody. You guys were blasting. They don't I just kept you know just a little in the you know the first whole. We were going for the whole. Yeah. The difference. I had a partner question. I know I saw that we had a element tee today and I know that you have had your son using I try to get maxed to do it and. You can't put a lot. How much did you put. Oh so I put like half a packet in there. No bro and what. In like his water. That's too little. That's like concentrate. Holy shit little bodies in the. So what. What did you use. I put. So I'll take the packet and he's got a little sippy cup. And I'll literally sprinkle enough to give him some of the taste and a little bit of the. Otherwise it's way strong. Okay. Yeah. Because he's a little little body. Yeah. That's like all. That's why I didn't think of the whole thing obviously. But I mean I didn't think that you're barely sprinkling anything. Oh yeah just I had to. I mean because that's what I'll do. I'll put a look and you know what he calls it. He calls it tasty water. So he says. Hey mom can you give me tasty water. So we know that's. I just need to water it way down. Maybe he won't notice. What. So does he do that still on a regular basis. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We give him just a little bit. And if we for outside and the in the heat and in the sun. Then I'll more consistently put it because you know a little you know three year olds they'll run until they can't move anymore. Yeah. And he'll just be sweating. So I'll put a little bit. Well I mean it makes sense too because I know you guys are like us. Like you don't do a lot of processed foods for him at all. So he's getting mostly whole foods. And we don't drink any. He doesn't drink anything except for water and occasionally. That's max macadamia nut milk. And what we'll do is his mom gets a matcha lattes from Starbucks. And he's like always wants some of it. Obviously you're not going to give it to him because it's got caffeine. I love that I kept the juices and stuff away from him for as long as I did because now there's been times where someone's like offered it and he take it's just way too sweet. Yeah. He'll take. He gets this like weird look on his face. Yeah. Even my kid will have some water. He likes it for two sips and he's done. But we do macadamia nut milk and then Jessica has this like organic green food coloring. And she'll warm it up and you know warm it up and then she'll put a couple drops mix it and he thinks it's a matcha. That is something that Max does. So I know we don't have an organized commercial today but that is something that Max does is the green juice. He does like the green juice. So Katrina makes that for him and shares it with him all the time. But I haven't got them on the on the element. Yeah. Like a half packet for when the kids like compete in like gymnastics tournaments and we'll put it in one of those like Yeti you know like so size with the water. But it and it's great because like they're they're out there like really like rigorously competing in their bodies like you know definitely benefit. When I was a kid working with my dad in the summers in the in the heat mixing cement carrying the buckets and sweating like crazy. I think I told you guys this before but often times my dad would add salt to his water and he would put something. I can't remember the name of it. It's this weird. It's alcohol. It's got alcohol in it but it's this weird drink. I don't know what's made made of maybe you could look it up Doug. I think it's spelled a n I see a fermented look up a and I see a water. It goes in water something like that. He put like a few drops in the water and we would drink it and it was very refreshing and then for lunch we always had we always had some kind of salty deli meat. You know what else and he would always say I would feel so good it's because of the soda. You know what else I bet he always had which I think is so interesting because I never thought about this till right now is uh I mean for is it's kind of like that but it's it's a n i c e or a I don't know. I would I would be willing to bet that more than 50 percent of all sunflower seed purchases come from contractors. Oh god crush them in little league baseball players. Yes. But they put the whole all of them. I mean that we do that all day. How funny is that it's like you naturally just gravitate to that you know your your body is here's an example of your body signaling to you it needs more salt and needs more sodium because you're working outside in the sun all the time. Why why else does like almost every contractor have a bag of sunflower seeds in his truck. I mean that was that was at least in that was a staple. That was yeah in my time of like working with my dad when I was a kid like that everybody had sunflower seeds and you chewed on sunflower seeds the all day. It's just like something to do. I know as well which was yeah the appeal to it for sure. Isn't that funny. I know it's it's gotta be so and they do they do this. I'm sure they do with you guys who they throw all one plus seeds in there. Yeah. Yeah. Delicious. I still eat them like that. Yeah. I love them. I love sunflower seeds. I don't know how healthy they are. A squirrel pouch speaking of big old seed. It's still fat but I you know what because you're because they're in the seed. I mean in the shell. You're not over consuming. Yeah you're not over consuming. If you ate like already never get them shelled. Yeah. Oh yeah. You crushed them. Oh yeah. Got the fat. I mean that's I think that's just a good like same thing with pistachios. It's such a dangerous thing to eat nuts or like you were meant to have to crack the shell and eat individual one. They're so high on fat and calories that if you get bags that was like one of the worst things they ever did. Same thing with peanuts. Oh yeah. Those things are dangerous. If you fast. If you were just grabbing handfuls of it and throwing in your mouth and you're not having to crack the seed just simply I mean talk about like learning about creating barriers for yourself to self-regulate. By nuts that you have to shell. Yes. 100 percent. Huge difference. Totally. Actually that's a tradition. That's like a traditional one of the last courses that we'll have for dinners is people will bring out nuts and they're always and then and they'll bring out nut crackers. Yeah. And they're always walnuts or even almonds or anything and they're in the shell and you have to crack them and eat them yourself and you eat way less. Way less. Yeah. You know so anyway. Today's giveaway is the super bundle. If you want to win that bundle of workout programs do this. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win we'll let you know in the comments section. We also have a sale maps old time strength is half off and maps obstacle course racing OCR is also half off. If you're interested in either one do this click on the link at the top of the description below. All right back to the show. I have to talk about well I always get a transition this over because you know how you would just put half the packet in your cheeks and all that remind me of the Jordan Peterson. Oh you dick. Little cut. I don't know why. Hold on a second bro why. You guys always make fun of my face. I don't understand Adam why our faces look so big. Oh my god it looked terrible. I look like I got a punch to the face. It was swollen. What happened to us. Was it a lighting angle. No it wasn't the angle you know what it was is is that we were traveling like crazy. We had been to London for how long 10 days. Then we were into Florida. Then we went to Arizona. I'd been eating. Never shoot me like that again. I never shoot you that way man. It wasn't me. It's always you. Hold on. It's always you. Justin whose face looked bigger. Minor Adams. That's a good question. It was like that's the biggest I've seen. You know how I started interviewing. I think your hand was bigger and Adam's cheeks dude it looked so bad. Somebody actually commented. Somebody wrote underneath like Sal's head grew a lot. Oh wow so we said that. Oh man you know what's funny so the audience obviously doesn't know this. So yesterday we we we saw the clip for the first time and we're like we all you guys said to us and all of us are like watching on our phones here in the studio and I'm like I see you I see it and go oh fuck first I think I see Sal. I'm like damn Sal looks like that. Then I see him you know I'm like oh my god. I see Justin. I'm like Justin looks hella good. I'm I'm just pondering like the whole time just like no one says anything. I thought I was like bro our face sounds like man if jeez I won't gonna say anything but boy we look bad. So funny because I thought I got the shaft because I had to like sit right next to him you know and you guys are on the other side at the worst seat. That is not my good side. Best seat some of the clips that they would do like he would be talking and we're listening and they would show us listening. I know people you see people making fun of that too. Yeah yeah people on our on our Instagram were like the boys when Jordan Pearson talks and it's the lips emoji with the eyes. Yeah I have big eyes and just like pondering you know but that's the thing you get lost. I mean it's it's I haven't even listened to it yet. Have you guys listened to it? Have you guys either one of you listen to it? I listen to it. It's one of the ones I actually wanted to listen to. About half of it. You did? Yeah yeah I mean I like listening. I mean the guys I always like listening to stuff he has to say. I mean obviously it's aired so we can talk about it now but I mean like I everybody wanted to know after I interviewed him like with that our family friend oh my god what was this that I said you know it was awesome it was a milestone for us because it was somebody who we all really wanted to interview. I don't think there was anything he said that I haven't heard him say already but the comment about Twitter when I asked him about social media Elon Musk and taking over Twitter and if you got that kind of blew my mind. His take on basically said he doesn't think there's a way to make it it's not salvageable so that it doesn't you know it's not toxic he says it's impossible I just I never read like there's a lot of stuff right now right left to right you know the the left is censoring this all the right there's all these crazy people on there it's like there's you know they're dividing everybody and it's the other side's fault why this these media platforms are awful and the truth is after listening to him talk about toxic to human behavior it doesn't matter it like like it doesn't matter if the the most balanced right to left neutral person controls this thing it's set up for failure it's set up in a way that doesn't mirror the way we interact socially how we evolve it takes out the natural highlights the psychopaths because that's what it does yeah in real a louder voice in the real world that blow anybody else's mind that blue they have all the things he said I that was like oh no why never thought of that 100% in the way he explained it was perfect because the real world has built-in checks and balances yes because those don't exist on social media platforms there's nothing you could do because in the real world you would never walk up to strangers and comment on something they said no in a way that could get you punched in the face or cause some kind of whatever you're not a nomin anonymous and psychopaths are much easier to pick out when you enter you know you exchange ideas with them and talk with them in real life it's harder on the internet and now that and even if you started to sense that you would disassociate that's right so you they wouldn't even be allowed to be in the circle to even comment and say that that so it really just or how many times this happened to you in real life never where somebody walks up to you and goes hey what's your opinion on this thing you're like I don't know hey everybody he doesn't he doesn't want to say anything screw this guy he's I worked in a bar for years right like the the biggest thing was like you don't bring up politics you don't bring up religion you don't bring up death like there's just certain things that you're just like you don't talk about that socially and engage in that because it just creates conflict and everybody has a terrible time yeah and everybody knows that and this this like new sort of way that people like talk and interact with each other is just like bullshit it is and it highlights a lot of insanity speaking of which the most I have to say probably the most epic interview I've ever seen my entire life was Elon in his interview with the New York Times yeah I he is I don't know the guy I don't know the man who's a refreshing but damn I love him I mean to say what he said to stand by his principle literally he said oh they want to blackmail me for money go fuck yourself he goes says go fuck yourself and the my favorite part is your control bro bro so awkward the reporter froze and then he literally looks at the audience and he clarifies go fuck yourself if somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising blackmailing with money go yourself go yourself is that clear I hope it is hey Bob if you're in the audience is that clear Bob I know you're out there yeah I was dying and he made a very good point that there's another thing that he said that I think got overshadowed by that that even more important he said more people want to look like they're doing good and do evil than actually do good and yes people I say fuck you yeah and I love that man you we need we need people who stand by principle especially people with influence in power well he is the reason why I asked that question to Peter in fact I believe I framed it that way of like hey now that Elon Musk is taking over Twitter you have you know and I and up until that point I did have some belief that oh man I think if someone could make make this a better platform it's going to be Elon and I think it'll be great and I'm on that side of like it being better than what it was before of course I know that there's half this audience I think this probably disagrees with that but now I don't even I don't agree with that I don't think it's possible I think after what the points that Jordan made I think that it and to me what that highlighted was it was just more confirmation of why I need to be on it less yes is that it's it no matter what it's worthless you can you can try and you know we talked about this the other day about the algorithm feed the algorithm better stuff and it's like at the end of the day you just can't control the toxicity on this thing because it doesn't you can mitigate it but it ain't yeah you can make it a little bit better but it's still it's still an awful place because of those reasons I doesn't have the natural checks and balances so I agree and what's the to go back to that interview what's crazy is that first of all the way he positions certain things so he doesn't bow down to these massive corporations he says screw you he calls out bob by name and then he says we'll let earth decide we'll let people decide they'll be the judge and he said well what'll happen to x and he goes it'll fail it'll bankrupt and it'll be because of them and he goes and the and the world will decide who's right here have you guys seen what's happened since then mm-hmm there's been thousands of people who have been posting that they're canceling their subscription services to these platforms disney paramount to you know they're basically putting out and saying we're gonna boycott these companies because we support what you're doing well I saw some crazy business owners uh was that cardone yeah who was like yeah i'm gonna uh actively sponsor and like add like for ad money into twitter to support you know this this sort of obviously a disconnect there so because I saw I saw the response right to that and it sounds like or what he said was that his the the x was trying to tell cardone that they didn't think that his content would do well on there because of other sponsors and so um it sounds like he's tried to to advertise with them so even i mean that's a hard part about a massive company like that even elon who has his vision forward of what he wants to do there's still people underneath there that are running it yeah that are running these these day-to-day operations that he's probably like 10 people disconnected from that doesn't even know that they're turning down I I I'm thankful for uh him buying x because um it was it's this is but it's not controversial anymore it's clear we know this uh these social media platforms are being told what they should and shouldn't center what sensor what they should shouldn't allow there's narratives that are pushed for sure by the way I'm not an expert in in most fields but I will consider myself pretty damn knowledgeable about fitness and health and I will say this lots of disinformation and misinformation is put out on social media platforms and it's obviously a narrative they're obviously doing it for a reason and it's not to make you healthier so I can't it's hard it's not hard for me to imagine it's happening in other arenas and then again we have evidence the twitter file showed that the FBI CIA came in said no you're doing this do that sensor these people put these people forward there was definitely a slant in one direction so just for balance sake I'm glad that he he bought that otherwise it's like one narrative and that's it you see youtube already doing that with like all the medical advice has to come from mds it can't come from any alternative source the algorithm will now put alternative medicine at the bottom yeah so you look up information on anything that is regarding health and if it's considered instead of letting the consumer like figure all that out for themselves like it's like we got big daddy coming in to scrub everything let me see here's one that pisses me off there's a lot of crap in alternative medicine there's also a lot of crap in accepted you know you know establishment western medicine as well okay but I'll just give you an example um I remember when I used to own I owned a studio a wellness studio long time for a long time so I started it when I was 24 or 5 so we're talking over almost 20 years ago and I had somebody in there that was very on the cutting edge of wellness okay and she used to talk about leaky gut syndrome and I trained doctors who would come in and when she wasn't looking around they would look at me and go oh they would roll their eyes go this mumbo jumbo yeah whoo crap it's gonna hurt people it's bullshit what the hell is leaky gut syndrome there's no such thing making fun of this term well western medicine now later they call it um you know intestinal wall hyper permeability because it's a real thing they made fun of food intolerances if you brought up the microbiome 25 years ago okay uh Paul check would do this actually he did this 30 years ago he would talk about the microbiome how important the microbiome is he would get laughed at of rooms doctors call them a quack don't listen to him he's gonna hurt you he'd say no antibiotics are harming your microbiome that's not good for you and they say you're stupid that's dumb that was alternative medicine okay so without all this information the good and the bad we're gonna we're gonna end up figuring things out way too late you know so we need that and them being like only the official approved you know by the whatever agency information is what we're going to put out there like you're gonna set yourself up for some WHO did a great job so far yeah have you guys heard the uh you guys heard the rumors about Mark Cuban might be putting his hat in the ring for uh running for president no way yeah wow yeah i don't know if it's Andrew did you hear that at all did you know did you see what he just did no i just saw that he sold most of his shares from yes he sold he's and that's the reason so the rumor is that's why he's the white money so he see i sold he sold uh his majority shares but by the way take a shot and guess make look it up for me so i can get the year because i don't know what year he purchased the mavericks he's had him for a while now i think he's had him for about a decade um guess how much he bought him for and guess how much he just sold them for zero idea not even a guess i don't even know what they cost he bought in 2000 oh he bought in 2000 he bought it for a hundred something million and i sold it for a billion so 285 correct to 3.5 billion wow 3.5 billion wow i did not see that isn't that crazy i i tell you what i don't look anybody running for president is already a bit of a self-selection bias for probably a bit of a psychopathic narcissist however i would i think if you were to just compare consistently over time i think a self-made billionaire is probably gonna do a better job than a career politician come on uh serious i know i think that's close i'm trying i'm trying to be politically yeah come on i mean i i think career politicians i mean i'm not even a fan i'm not the biggest i actually i like mark cuban for a lot i like mark cuban for a lot of his business and uh basketball wisdom and stuff like that i'm not a big fan of some of his ideas but still i'm i'm more pro him than a lot of the other candidates that we've seen that we've seen like somebody who's had to work in the business world who's had to build companies self-made yeah who has to deal with profit and loss pissing i've i've been i was a ross pro fan dude yeah i mean i just i remember do you remember this campaign we were young dude yeah i was young but i do remember i remember having enough wisdom that like that why that america is like a giant business shouldn't we have like a really good business person and mine dude he he took a lot of the vote right he actually gave he you know of course one side says he's the reason why the other side won of course but i remember third party he put out commercials that he funded himself and he'd have these big charts yeah and he was educating the public i remember and i remember as a kid watching this coin huh i like this yeah what was it where he had exactly infomercial that he just like stopped that's what attracted me i i remember him breaking breaking down the budget here's how much we spend here how's it much we have and i'm like a man i never seen one do that that's like makes a lot of sense we should run the country this way i like this guy yeah that's all i had to stand on just to see like six times now that you know the intelligence agency failed their audit but come on there's also more to that like in order to be in order to reach the level of financial success is like a mark Cuban with that many companies with that many employees the like leadership that's that's a that's a leadership you've proven it yeah and you didn't get put into it and you all now you're a senator what like you like you had to build it you had to create it you had to navigate the hard times the good times the like the other the when people want tons of money from you working with people you don't like to work with i mean god there's so many you have to build attributes you have to make deals you have to build bridges to work with people and then figure out how to outmaneuver them and work with different markets and work internationally right mark Cuban elon musk like you know these billionaires that are self-made they've worked bet more deals internationally than any of these politicians just through business they've had to go work in all these other countries to build businesses i would imagine there's a little bit of a less enticement in terms of being persuaded by money from outside influences too right well just that's like a elon's point right like you're going to try and bribe me with money you try to bribe me fuck off richest man politicians that's how they make money oh no somebody did a post went less billion now someone did a post where they do is you guys know he lives like apparently he just doesn't he lives very doesn't have a home he's always moving around and sleeping yeah i've read that yeah is that real yeah no i i told you in his book yeah in his book i told you guys about his car right remember that was like his first like big purchase and then after that like he really i think you i think i remember reading that he he bought a big home at one point i think he sold it and then since then he's been like kind of well i have a personal sort of story of that and it's one of my clients that actually she went from i think it was apple over to tesla and start working for tesla and she was working there at the plant and they just opened the plant here in the silicon valley and it's in order to launch it like he literally was there all day i've heard that too like living there and then slept in the office for like months just he was in everybody knew he was in there and he was just there sleeping just to make sure it like everything went according to plan do you guys remember the movie gladiator where um i don't remember what's the Russell crow he was like the the general right and the emperor feared him yeah because the soldiers get the influence over all the people they saw him put himself out in the line and they saw him doing like that's it that's what a good leader does in these career politicians are just fake it's funny though because they're so fake because we demonize billionaires so much now that i actually think that more people hate billionaires more than they hate politicians it's crazy to me you know it's crazy you know i do not feel like that sentiment of course like there'll be people that just because we're talking about the idea of effective propaganda cuban or elon running that it's going to piss off half the audience here's how annoying it okay there's i'll give you a good example people rarely demonize a super rich celebrity like uh you know like a musician or something like that nobody ever said oh Beyonce she made you know a hundred million dollars one of her dancers only made forty five that's not fair how dare they because they look at her she's talented she deserves it you know uh LeBron James oh nobody complains about necessarily the money but a billionaire they don't see what they do someone who builds a business and they get painted as this evil person if you're self-made and you work in the market you like that's that's some accolades and by the way you got your money because you gave consumers what they wanted you built something that people have by the way to you can all in the same breath i can say all those things and then turn around also say it like listen i don't know the guy he could be an asshole totally could be all these things i'm not saying let him babysit your kids that's right that's like it's really for me it's like i'm making the argument that he's better than a lot of other people that we've put probably in that position to run to run a business yes we're gonna run America you don't see so that's uh i'm not i'm not saying because then people always try which i also can't stand to which is to like come after the character oh he's this and he's a bad he's a bad guy he's an asshole and he's this and blah blah he does this to his workers and it's like okay see the show me these angels that are in run the country these perfect humans that exist i always want the example if you're so angry with this person where's the other example it's really bad yeah well it's that smooth talkers that like i mean that's like they get away with all of you know like i that's it i tell you what that's my like where i'm like look at the vet he reminds me so much of obama like he's just so well spoken but he did you can't help but like he did build he's like he's so like well so i'm gonna say this okay now i'm gonna say that because that's i'm so glad you said that this is also important that in order to run the country here's the difference between that and being a entrepreneur business person you also have to be able to sell your ideas on a national stage to everybody yeah okay where is when you're a business owner i mean you have your employees yes but they get paid they get a paycheck as long as they're getting paid well they like their job like you're doing pretty good but you don't have to get up and sell to other companies and other people to follow you necessarily so like trump for example was terrible at this you know after the george floyd riots on stuff he gets up and says the exact opposite of what he should have said even though he's saying what's on his mind like you you know you loot we shoot like what are you doing bro everybody's pissed off and and agitated you need to bring people together yeah so to be a good president you need to have that skill of an entrepreneur this is why and you also have to be able to sell the ideas this is why like elon might not be a good example because that's he's not that good yeah i mean he has that but he has done but he doesn't have you know something about those like brilliant people like him steve job that they have a bit of that like i mean obviously they have that narcissism where they're and they're so brilliant they can back it up that's why they get enough people to get behind them like hey listen he fucked this guy does know we should just fall in line but that doesn't work on on a national level where you gotta to your point you've still got to be able to sell your ideas i think and that's an example some of the best examples of people that whether you like these people or not who are able to sell their ideas well obama obviously exceptional communicator bill clinton exceptional communicator ronald reagan probably the greatest see that's why i think like the like superpower or ideal be having one of them as president one of his vp you put the president who's the most like you put the obama the vex mouthpiece and then yeah in the president here's what we're gonna do and then you got elon musk as a vp or you got mark cuban as a vp like to me that is like you got the guy who could go out there and present and is likeable and can communicate really well right and then you have the dude that's behind the scenes and like your wife yeah it's true when we do our sponsorship deals adam is like tell him to fuck about our nicer words i mean it's such a i think it's such a reevaluate it's a great way it's a great way to operate operate this right it's a great example lean into each other's strengths i think together they they they balance each other out it's like i don't understand why we all as we don't want that as a country to to try and piece that together it's like well i don't think most people don't think too much about it they see the clips they make up their decision they get off and then it's easier to piss people off to not vote for someone than it is to get people to really like somebody so emotionally volatile yeah and that's just that's just human behavior by the way by the way you know government was not you were never supposed to have career politicians it was it was literally supposed to be a part-time job you had your regular job and then you volunteered into this thing because you felt compelled to serve you know it's different speaking of billionaires i had brought i brought up on the show i think when this happened and so i don't remember how long ago it was and maybe the the guys can fact check with the time but you guys remember when i brought up jz becoming a billionaire do you remember one that like that was a big deal right like rapper becomes a billionaire i mean i believe him and jre we're right back to back right at the same time yep i think jre beat him because the big sale of beats and then right afterwards jz became a billionaire he's already crossed over the two i think he's worth 2.3 wow and that so his whole life took him all the way to get to you know a billion dollars and then just in the last couple years has doubled that that's so like fascinating to me and also highlights did you start acquiring a lot of other businesses you know i don't i don't i haven't like read his biography or anything to know like how i know he's got a lot of companies right i mean and that's a quick way gotta be so weird to deal in numbers that big you know i mean like yeah like okay i'm gonna start this new venture that's gonna cost 50 million dollars you know i mean that's just a lot of management yeah it's just crazy the numbers that i mean it's still i'm so i'm so interested in it i think it's so incredible and again it's another one of those things that people uh right away oh you're billionaire oh it's so easy when you have all this money it's oh it's like you know it's like oh you could just you could buy your way to to success it's like people who say takes their roads you get in the end of the year 2.5 billion now wow oh yeah look it so what happened his first billion was in 2000 so from 2009 to take his whole life to get to in 2019 to get to a so it was when i remember bringing this up a billion dollars and now he's more he's more than one and a half times that that's 2.5 billion now it's harder people this is people won't get this it's harder to go from a hundred million to a billion than it would be to go from you know a million to a hundred million or whatever uh it's harder to get to that now when you get to those numbers it becomes exponentially more challenging because the moving there's so many different moving parts and what's going on and it's uh it's that's why there's so few so a few people who who achieve that you know that level yeah i mean i just i i don't know i how many billionaires are there uh in america dog do you can you look at it i feel like it's increased over the uh oh it has you know that one a billionaire was made every single day in the coveted in the yeah during coveted a billionaire was made Elmore for Pfizer the disparity yeah i mean a lot of them did look at it you know like it's there's some truth there 735 in the us wow that's you know it's crazy about that is you can take every billionaire in america and put them in a room yeah you know i mean that's how few there are small relatively small room yeah that's like my that's like my christmas party it's somebody family first kid on christmas party while i was just watching some random show and it was like this guy his whole business is designing and building like these ridiculous yachts that are like you know good joins the dollars and he's like okay so i have like a very small community i'm like advertising he's like i'm not i don't have a website you know i don't have like he has nothing it's just literally word of mouth because i know everybody and it's like it's a very small group of people he already knows you know what trips me out is like so you bring up a number like that right and obviously the the amount of you know uh centa millionaires and deco millionaires are are more a lot but but not crazy it's still a still when you talk about the job and yet we can go to places you know you can go to these places where there's you know a car event or something like that like the one the big one that happens every year down in a car mall area and it i look around i'm like where is all this money like how did how did this many people have that but i think it really highlights the amount of people that really probably shouldn't do that but have do that to look that way i see what you're saying you know and and i share with you guys you guys saw the ramsey post that i have the top vehicles yeah that's right i know i was number one toyota toyota honda um the most part is number three i think and uh yeah it was just like your regular uh economy kind of cars yeah only only one rural luxury on there was the bmw have you guys ever by the way have you ever been on one of those yachts have you guys ever been on one not a super yacht i would i've been on a yacht before but not like how big was it like a uh i don't know how many foot it was i actually had a ex-girlfriend whose dad bought a bought it used um and he was a he was a it was a big was it oh yeah it was a kitchen the whole deal yeah yeah yeah it was like you know he's like a full staff it was it was nothing like what it's like i've never been on like a crazy super yacht like not as not a super that would be crazy to get on one of those somebody have helicopter pads you can drive your boat up in there they have all kinds of guys to i used to have a thing that i subscribed to that had like all the all the all the riches yeah yeah yeah yeah it was i forgot what it was called but it was like you actually it was kind of cool because you could actually see every every you had every billionaires net worth that had a yacht so you could i could flip through it there'd be a picture do you have trading cards with them no you liar yachts and hoes don't you back me up i know he has billionaire trading cards i probably had something like this too i mean there is the rob report i don't know if that's similar to that but they have all the luxury items oh see what's that what's the magazine i mean it's online now i think this was specifically a yacht magazine oh i i'm brilliant by the the the company right whoever whoever it was that created this because they had like every billionaire and their net worth like i mean think about it if you're if you're like that snobby rich guy who got the billions of dollars or hundreds of millions of dollars and you have to flip this magazine and see like all the other ones you know that like it's the competitive juices friend yeah oh god get this got that yeah what's the most lavish crazy thing you would you would actually i mean i wouldn't do that i don't think i'd ever own a massive it'd be a waste of money for me but what's the most crazy lavish thing that you would spend like if you were let's if you had a billion dollars will be the craziest thing that you guys would a car garage like a car garage yeah i'm so i'm so into cars that it would be a it would be a like my dream like jlono yes yeah like yes uh lino a sign filled like i the rotating turntable i just i love i love to drive i have i love all types i love off-road cool stuff i love super fast exotic stuff i like old school muscle i like cars that's sounds cool and so to have that like that would be a total i know waste of money but i would have you know say 50 i wouldn't need the hundreds but 50 of my favorite cars that are getting maintained that i could drive anyone whenever i want and they're always clean they're always taking care of that would be cool i would love that that'd be cool i i was thinking i would buy a sports team myself like a football team that would be cool too yeah and then just you know you show up you got your own penthouse whatever like you get to like of course you would be a part of like now would you now knowing you you hire a head coach of course would you be able to would you be able to not go in there and like you'd be like al dame oh no i'm in there you're listening i'm not like here's a thing though you hire the person that you believe in and that's that's always yeah so you would make an amazing football team i would love it dude that actually would be i mean obviously i'd be way more fun than actually coaching yeah that's a lot more work oh i'd rather be the owner the owner would be way more fun way more fun yeah yeah making the moves i think that would be a really take pictures everybody yeah i think i would i would have i would have uh i would just have lots of i would have services yeah so i'd have a chef i know you and i would have a driver i would yeah i imagine you you would pay for this right i could i could see you having because i'll stress the quiet assistant who doesn't even talk it just follows you around all day long with a little notebook my garbage yeah your little notebooks every time you have ideas for things you want to remember she writes it down for you doesn't say it just i don't know in five minutes we need to be here that's the only time she speaks up is the reminder so your wife said take out the garbage yeah yeah do that right now oh thank you so the Incredibles was that one that makes all the outfits for you but yeah she's just yeah i wouldn't yeah or a bar i would love i think having a bodyguard would be pretty sick think about how awesome that would be a buddy yeah yeah did i share that imagine that a dude that's that could fight it's jack that will that will literally it's literally your dude that like you just did you see that viral video sometimes you need a hug he's right there did you see it maybe you probably follows that stuff did you see that viral video of that kid's bodyguard who knocked out that yeah that was bad dude yeah i'm gonna fuck i don't know what the name is but it's a young rapper it's basically his friends or his bodyguards and this fan came up to him there's a video of it on twitter yeah he's like three times his size and just oh he you need laid into him we also don't know the rest of the story that's right like i mean for all you know that that kid was spitting on the dude and acting stupid before you gotta know you gotta use jiu-jitsu man like punching someone you could you could kill someone jiu-jitsu submit them you know i mean put them down hold them down and that's it even then yeah you knock them out like that if his head hits the cement i want to know someone i want to know i want to know what doug would spend his money on what do you what are you blowing your money on dude i mean for me it's just the house i just i would just custom house just very custom all the details i mean i like wood i like stone uh i'd just i'd go to the nth degree you would have like a sleeping chamber like you come out oh yeah this opens up and definitely i i hang from the rafter i don't know i don't think i don't think you can count that because i think that we all would that to me that's that's your home right so this is like you're you have f u money you already bought and built your house what else can be something you're blowing it on like a super yacht like a car a garage full of a hundred cars a person who walks around behind you i mean these are like i'm pretty sure if sal's got that he's got a nice custom house if you're gonna force me to spend money like yeah you're probably gonna blow it i would have an airplane i would have a jet okay uh because i like to travel and uh it would be fantastic just to be able to go down to the airport much better answer yeah that's a good idea that's what i do the only thing i like about private jets those are the ones that was crashed man every time somebody dies in a plane crash it's always a small it's always a private is that true is that because they're small yeah small planes are i say i was going to get a small one air force one what's what was this one the one that we we flew up to and that's the biggest commercial plane what was that what kind of oh that was the air bus yeah the air bus double bus that's that thing was crazy man yeah it was massive what's cool about those is like the ride is so smooth they're so massive they're like a ship like a big ship in the ocean yeah they don't feel nothing you know it's funny because uh logically you would think that the the smaller plane would be safer and this big massive heavy thing with lots of people it would have more risk doesn't make sense of that thing can be in the air isn't it but i don't even like to think about that honestly i started thinking about this thing going up in the air and staying up there i i start to freak myself out it's actually really right the bigger the bigger the bigger they are the almost the safer they they are right yep but and this design did you know that the wings on that i hope i get this right they go 15 feet up and down that's how much they flex yeah that's at the end that's how big there that's wild yeah i mean 15 feet yeah you know uh test pilot for Boeing barrel rolled i think was a 727 back in the day over lake washington up in intentionally in the seattle area uh intentionally yeah now 727 is a lot smaller than when we were on yeah much smaller that's still a big but yeah he was doing a demo i think was uh there was a crowd wow and nobody had anticipated this and this dude just decided he was going to do a barrel roll how mad would you be if if the plane we were on barrel roll that would be like the boat like if you're a pilot and you know you were retiring or some of their quitting i think that last thing yeah last all right everybody we do you guys remember the worst the worst flight of my life do you guys remember that flight we were up up in washington the worst it was spokane to seattle i believe it was okay i i i'm not going to do a justice peep this is true i was there were people were crying on the plane yeah and praying there were women uh sobbing was the worst turbulence i ever been oh if i didn't have my if you didn't have your seatbelt on yeah we're going to hit the sea launched that's how hard it was shaking and going oh i give you be shaking like this and then you had that little drop yeah whoo i was pretending to chill i'm like oh yeah this is normal no no way dude i had i had uh like those those binaural beats on my in my ear and i had my arms crossed hella tight like this and i was just oh man i was so that you know that the funny part about that is that and i remember the the reason why i can relax a little somewhat in those situations you know i'm agreeing not that one kiss the still hard but i i remember uh i had this uh client that was a stewardess and she said that that is like she goes add on you feel turbulence in the plane that's like equivalent to you driving in a grocery store parking lot and going over speed bumps that's literally what it's equivalent that's how safe and okay it's going to be now here's the difference the landing and takeoff if you hit the speed bump you can't you don't accidentally fall out of the sky yeah i know as long as the engines are still running dude i'm okay but that that's what i mean they that's how they equate that to like as far as how safe or risky one of the scariest uh twilight zone episodes has to do with the plane have you guys ever seen that one oh yeah that weird creature that was like eating the you ever watch the original or did you watch the old the one the original one dude yeah dude there's a guy on the plane and he's freaking out and he's getting anxiety attack they give him anxiety pills he's still freaking out and he looks out in the wing and he's like there's something on the on the way nobody else sees it just this guy nobody believes him nobody believes him and every time they look there's nothing every time he looks there's this creature on there there's one scene that gave me nightmares as a child because he finally freaks out and he opens the whatever that is a screen and the monster's face faces right there so it's like yeah he's like way out in the distance you kind of see him but then like that was the jump scare you know the first i was i think it was nine or ten this is why my wife freaked me out my wife is like she's she's like it's creepy watching anything scary with you because you don't react you sit there like nothing's happening things because i conditioned myself with that shit when i was a kid you know me anyway speaking of uh we're talking about uh legion for a second uh they're multivitamin we never talk about their multivitamin that's a good product for people who want to fill in nutrient deficiencies the reason why i'm bringing that up is there's studies now coming out showing that with good controls that multivitamin use is associated with longevity so people do live better and longer by taking the multivitamin i mean do you think people ask me all the time where should i go i mean don't do you think that's just because most people i can't remember when i read this most people are deficient that's right they miss their yeah they're micronutrients right i think just like exercise there's a whole host of factors i remember reading one time and you correct me if you're wrong if you don't remember this cell or not but i i thought like to get to person's average uh rda and all the macro micronutrients date on average would have to eat like 3000 calories and a serving of liver yeah or something like that it was like a like a weird it was an amount that people don't it was an amount and a like an odd thing it wasn't it was an amount that would make people obese because that's the how you would get the nutrients they have to travel with these foods right yeah yeah well so your soil isn't as rich as it used to be especially in minerals so just consuming minerals is really important here's the thing it's like exercise exercise isn't magic it's just that we move so little that some exercise makes us so much healthier that's all it is we're supposed to move yeah it's not that multivitamins have any magic compounds in them these are just you know vitamins and minerals it's that a lot of us not all of us but a lot of us have some suboptimal levels of certain nutrients and some of us another smaller subset have actual deficiencies and deficiencies in vitamins and minerals cause severe dysfunction in the body and they can cause lots of symptoms that people don't associate with nutrient deficiencies so they'll have like anxiety or or stiffness and pain that was my dad my dad thought because he's got arthritis up and down his spine and he you know he's worked hard labor he was like hurting all over the place he kept telling me oh old getting old sucks and this sucks and I'm helping him with mobility and stretching but he would always complain about it he goes and gets a vitamin test a nutrient test his vitamin D is low starts taking vitamin D the paint gone yeah within a week it was gone so nutrient deficiencies are do you see I mean is is there an example of where you would take a multivitamins I mean you're pretty balanced when you eat everything like that you supplement for a lot of things already I take vitamin D3 because every time I get tested yeah but that's a that's a by itself you take that I take it by itself magnesium yeah so do I I do take a multivitamin I would say probably six months out of the year maybe at the least four months out of the year definitely during the winter months I take a multivitamin oh interesting sure yeah so there's more holidays more eating not as good so I tend to take multivitamins based off of what my I know my diet is looking like and how much sunlight I'm getting and stuff like that now I'm actually glad you brought this up because I get I forget that Mike even has a moment he's got actually a good line of like I know he's got a vitamin D also he's got fish oil yeah so yeah no he does and people ask me like what brand do I recommend for some of that and I forget that he's got a multivitamin and you know how he is with everything so like I know that's it's legit yeah what he's put oh no he goes through crazy length we know the owner of Legion very well and he legitimately goes through crazy lengths to ensure quality in a supplement cautious dose and I cannot say that for most companies yeah all right shout out okay I know we did a comedian just recently but like I've been sort of on this campaign of trying to promote like maybe just a little bit of bullying back and I just don't know how to articulate it you know in a way that's not going to offend everybody and maybe this guy he's not for everybody you know it's it's it's a little out there if you're sensitive but hilarious hilarious uh bits and his name is Jeff Zinnasek and he does this whole thing where he kind of justifies it in a really funny way if you have children you probably care a lot about them and you want to make sure they get the right nutrients you want them to get adequate nutrients well there's a multivitamin for children that we support we don't support any other multivitamin for kids because most of them are candy essentially but not hyah hyah is not a gummy candy it's got the right amount of nutrients for little kids go check them out go to hyahealth.com that's h-i-y-a-health.com forward slash mind pump and through that link you'll get 50% off your first order all right back to the show our first caller is linda from massachusetts hi linda how can we help you hi guys how you doing as i said in my email i've been listening to podcasts forever and a day i'm not even sure how i found you guys but you're on all my favorites and you all including Doug brings so much to the table but i have a special affinity with sale because i'm italian and uh and i am i was a weight loss console for 20 years so if i had a doll for every time i said i have this study or use an analogy to make a point i'd be retired by now but uh so uh little history i grew up in the 70s so it was always outside active moving and um when i was 17 a nautilus gym opened up in my neighborhood so i joined and i loved it and the only information i had back then was bodybuilding magazines but they did the trick for sure when i was 22 i uh a co-worker asked me to go for a run so i asked my then um workout partner now husband to go for a run and we did our first road race in 87 and we've been racing ever since but over the years i pretty much stuck with two to three days of weight training and uh three days of cardio with some active other activity and over the years i've done all the things we did a bodybuilding competition bench press competition marathons triathlons crossfit i even taught jazzy size back in the day so yeah i'm dating myself so fast forward to the pandemic i was stuck in the house all by myself and i was uh not happy about that so when a gym opened up nearby i joined and it was classes but traditional um weight training movements and they had the sleds and all the toys so it's very consistent built muscle and stayed sane as you know exercise does so this year was turn 60 and i got 15 extra minutes to qualify for the boss of marathon actually the older you get you get more time which is a good thing so i i worked with my running coach and um i eventually joined a regular gym and uh but i'm a social butterfly so i had to join a class and i was going for a run and i like i love to listen to you guys when i run and of course you got the question about classes and i heard sal say you're not weight training you're doing aerobics with weights and i was like okay all right stop that class focus on the marathon and i'm happy to say that i ran by marathon in september qualified for boston by 18 minutes wow it's nice to have a cushion great job um thank you thank you so um my normal season i live in new england so it's preseason now track starts in april get into the hot of my season usually my a race is in the fall and then i back off on the running and do a little bit more weight training so with someone who wants who's competitive but also wants to keep it my muscle being 60 what maps programs would you recommend for the different times in my season oh great question by the way you bit you were lifting weights when when women didn't lift weights what was that like if you don't mind me asking so you're probably only one in there so first of all every time you you guys talk about that and i get very excited when you encourage a woman any age to lift weights i have to tell you um i don't know if it's because i'm from the boston area but um there were women it wasn't a lot but there were and i had like a really good core group of friends and you know i joined a we went to gold i mean we had been to different and i'm still married 33 years so good place to find my husband was the gym um there were the you know rusty weights but everybody was so nice everybody was so nice i loved it and um you know even like the bench press competitions of but they were just all the races so i just always felt very comfortable and i and i'm a social person so i loved working out around people but everybody was great that's great it's nice now to see more people more women in the gym but so i gotta say i gotta say this first before i give you advice linda so someone like you which i don't i you know i've met people like you but it's not common most people don't have the history of uh exercise like you do haven't done it as consistently through the years you've probably really developed um good relationships with exercise otherwise you wouldn't be able to do it as long as you have you know so advising you almost feel silly to me because you probably know yourself better than i do but i will say this the one thing that i've always encountered with people like yourself and i put myself in this category is the thing to look out for so not overdo it because you enjoy it so much you're probably always kind of dancing that line of doing enough and maybe doing a little too much so i would be that's the thing i would pay attention to now the more that you're running the less you should be strength training because you can't tolerate doing a lot of either okay i think the maps and a balik is a great off-season program i think map symmetry is a great off-season program symmetry is probably going to give you the best balance even 15 for someone who's doing this much cardio and then yeah in the in in the meantime if you're doing any strength training while training hard for something like a boston marathon maps 15 would be an appropriate type of strength training program during that period of time but really the strength training you know you think of it like it's like complimentary it's yeah it's gonna be called and if you do more running you got to do that you can't do all of it otherwise you'll really set yourself up for injury and training for first off to qualify for a boston marathon people are that's a tough thing to do um i know that i don't know what was the time that you had to get because i know when i trained somebody but they were not in your age group they had to get under three hours i think it was or less what's your what was your what was the time for you so um and it is uh so men it's the 30 minutes more so if it was a guy that's not uncommon it's usually around three hours but for my age it was a 420 and i did a 401 good for you but i've i've run it qualified every i this would i've done it five times and this will next my time will qualify me for 25 but um i didn't even know what qualified meant when i did my first one i got an invitational number from my from my running club um and that was 1998 and when i finished somebody said you qualified and i was like what does that even mean so now that's a big goal for anybody who can do it um but i thought that was reasonable i did my last one in 2010 and i'm like never again i've done other marathons but and then i just when i hit six day i'm like well maybe i can do it again and so i was really happy it's a big deal so what i would when i used to train people that would run marathons after their competition i would always have them take a minimum of two to three weeks off in fact studies will show the damage last can last as long as four to six weeks so i'd have them take about two to three weeks off i would have them feed their bodies appropriately rest allow things to heal allow the inflammation to kind of go down because you know you know you probably feel like you got hit by a truck you know for days afterwards and then when they come back to working out we would start very slowly but then eventually the routine would look a lot like a map centabolic type of routine it's a very good basic strength training muscle building program now the reason why i also mentioned map symmetry is because that's going to give you the most carry over to all the other things that you do because it trains there's a lot of unilateral work in it and that's going to benefit all the other activities that you like to do because you're so multifaceted you're not just doing this to look good you love to perform the other program that would work well as maps performance those three programs would be your core programs anabolic symmetry and performance would be the best ones for you and then during training time when you're doing other types of things maps 15 would be a great way to kind of maintain or help maintain strength i love map symmetry just as a diagnostic right since you go through that like especially if you're a competitor you run a lot and you're just naturally gonna kind of build some imbalances along the way that you can highlight and address with that program and strengthen and especially like around the joints to keep them healthy because you know you're such an active person want to keep going and pursuing whatever you want to pursue to reinforce you know you're the the stability and strength around your joints is i think it's always something to consider hundred percent do you do you have any of the programs i mentioned you have any of those so yeah i did so when i heard that i did get anabolic um and i got prime and anywhere like over time and i've done none of them so the reason why i like the programs is because i've been lifting weights for so long i tend to go in the gym and depending on my mindset of how busy i am at work i'll like i know what to do so i'll just do push pull squats you know and i was like i need a program for the winter to to dive into and really focus on um so i thought that anabolic which i have would be a good start and i i read it i like the trigger sessions and i'm at that point where i'm ready to to start you know getting and going back to the gym what a plan instead of just going in and doing the stuff that i know how to do i'm gonna send you some plans you know you remind i mean you just really reminded me of your experience in the gym i'm gonna send you symmetry i think that one's gonna give you the best i think that's gonna give you the best results because it's probably gonna be the most different from anything you've done so i'm gonna send you symmetry and when you're ready that's the one to start follow it as we wrote it out and i think you'll really enjoy what it does to your body and what it does to your performance yeah well that that's you know i always whatever other exercise i did it was always how did it affect my performance and i have to say that a hundred percent my longevity has been to weight training yeah because you can imagine a lot of my contemporaries i have a lot of friends that have been running for a long time both me and my husband and triathletes and because they don't do weight training they just never did they are just falling apart and a lot of triathletes start doing the run part because they can't run and i'm like oh shoot me when i can't run when that day comes but so far you know that's why i and i always have stuck to three days a week four doesn't work for me even training for a marathon three is perfect and then doing the weight training um and i think i put in my email i always find a good pt and this one was really great because he had me doing all the balance the bands the side movements that really kept me strong so that was so that was good yeah i'm looking forward to to doing something new especially in the dark and cold winter here in the bossen area and then the other quick question i had was about reverse dieting so um i went on my first diet at 13 luckily akins was was all the rage and i just always found that higher protein works great for me um even when i trained for my first marathon high carbs um just wasn't didn't didn't feel good but i'm a small person i'm about 120 pounds i'm five one so if i have 120 grams of protein i i tend to like fat more than carbs so 50 to 60 grams of fat and then it's really had for me to get even like 150 grams of carbs with three meals and some carbs so i mean i don't know what you think i should be at like say in this part of my training you're good calorie why should i try to reverse diet when you're done with the race i would i would go you what do you count it says here at calories around 1700 is that true yeah like six yeah depends on if i'm really focused it might end up being a little less because i when i'm really thinking about it i won't have the handful and nuts or all that um but yeah i would say that would be i'd go after your race i would go up about uh to be trying to be consistent at 1800 calories and then work it up to about 2000 calories while doing map symmetry and you're just going to get strong for and your and your ratio to fat and carbs is fine especially if you know you feel good on that that's right you know you're hitting your protein intake which would be the number one priority and then really the ratio of carbs of fat i i change that based on the client that's it if they tell me feel good you're doing yeah they tell me i just feel better on higher fat and you know moderate to low carb then that's what we run if they say they feel better on higher carb then i run that in a little bit lower fat so if you like the way you feel just keep those ratios the same and then just bump the calories a couple hundred calories that's it yeah i i i i learned to trust myself and honestly even if i gained a little as i'm i'm covered in sweaters now here um but i also just wanted to say i love listening to you guys because as i said i've been listening to podcast fitness podcast for a long time and now when i listen to them like know that heard that that's the latest craze and and i just enjoy your conversations and i and i i love hearing you encourage other people because i really have a hard time watching everybody around me and i work in the software industry so they're just so unhealthy so when i see you hear somebody and just it's really fresh the way you talk and you talk about all contemporary things so i know that your success is because you stuck to what you feel is important but i just want to say you're doing a great job and i i i really enjoy listening to you so keep it up thank you linda we check your hug you right now thank you so much thank you all right have a nice day you want thanks again i want to point some out real quick to people listening right now okay she's qualified she qualified for the boston marathon she runs three days a week she eats a hundred and fifty grams carbs a day that right there flies in the face of the belief that you got to run every day beat the shit out of yourself and all that other stuff right in fact most people over train when training for she's also the near body she's also the goal right like i mean she's 60 years old she's weight training and by the way i know a lot of people think that we're so hard on or anti cardio or anti running so much she's a great example of someone i love to see doing that yeah totally she has a love and passion for it she recognizes the benefits of strengthening and she highlighted exactly why we come off anti cardio is because so many people to neglect the strength training and they just they run themselves to pain to where they can't even run or exercise it's a tool of abuse it is and so and most people unfortunately fall in that category she's the she's rare yeah and i one thing i want to add to training to support her running someone like her i almost would i mean we could have gone a lot longer because i was going to ask her questions when people have been doing it as long as she has there's a lot of stuff i wanted to ask her about her experience what she learned and what she figured out because you could tell she's she figured this out through the years on what works for her body and i would i mean and she's got a lot of training wisdom that she's developed over the years and that's where everybody can get if you stay consistent and you do it for the right reasons you can get there next caller is dina from iowa hi dina hi dina hey it's my guys y'all make a girl giddy i'm a longtime listener so big fan so i'm just stoked to chat with you awesome cool what's your question we help you so my question is um and i've been listening to you forever so i almost already know what you're going to say but what would be more the optimal range body fat percentage wise is there like a minimum for women to i'm in the muscle building phase i've up to my calories i've dropped cardio i've gone through your bundle um twice through the anabolic performance aesthetic i've gone through it twice through haven't gained a ton of muscle and then when i start to up my calories i feel like it's partitioned more towards fat gain than muscle gain so i'm wondering if i need to embrace that fat gain before my muscle kicks in i'm not sure yeah can i feel in a little context i'm looking at your email yeah absolutely so it says here um your body fat percentage as per dex that was 15.2 and then it went up to 15.8 basically the same it hasn't changed and your question is what's a what's a good body fat percentage gain muscle okay yes okay so there's a range there but essentially you want enough body fat to be able to support your hormones and to at least support optimal health or not make your body uh or put your body in a stress kind of a state for a woman 15 percent is almost always too low okay there are rare exceptions but it's probably definitely too low and you're finding with a small bump in calories your body fat going up it's because your body needs it now one way to gauge this for women is based off their cycle but this isn't always reliable because so many women now take birth control and whatever but if you find you lose your period or it becomes irregular if your libido is off you notice differences in your hair and your skin and your nails then you probably need to bump your calories and get your body fat percentage up in my experience good body fat percentage that's lean in the female clients that i've trained to get them to build muscle was always at least at the least in the high teens 17 to 19 yeah like 18 19 percent body fat typically low 20s and that's when they were healthy they felt good and they were going up i'm also looking at your macro breakdown and your protein is 120 grams that's fine because your body weights fats your fat is really low fast gotta come up yeah that's where you need to bump your fats at 35 to 40 grams you're probably barely hitting what you need for fat i would bump your cat your fat at least up to 60 70 grams just to get what your body need because fats essential and that would give you the extra calories that we should be eating right now too yeah i know i mean the the audience that can't see and so like that i mean i think i can see your bicep vein through your shirt you're ripped i mean you're plenty you're plenty you're plenty lean right now and absolutely could use a couple percent body fat and you will build muscle i promise and i'm sure if you been listening for a long time you've probably heard me talk about the psychological part of increasing the calories and what's really going on with the water retention everything like that and i know what a mind fuck that is and it's and it's exactly that's what it is you're not getting fatter it's more of a mind fuck of you are least used to probably being someone who is damn fit shredded lean all the time and the first time you're kind of reversing out and adding and that first initial you know water retention and weight that comes on doesn't look the same way as what you guys should and it messes with your head more than what's really on don't throw your scale away while you do it if you were my client okay my goal would of course be to build muscle and strength but i'd also want you to gain body fat if i if i bumped let me put it this way if you were my client and i bumped your calories and you were gaining muscle and not gaining body fat i would bump your calories again because 15 percent uh for a woman to stay at is typically too low typically again there's there's exceptions but it's typically too low and i want you to pay attention to how you feel because what you'll probably notice is better sleep less stress better libido better energy and you'll probably gonna get compliments from people around you where people say well you look really good well you look really healthy we've been we've been led to believe that body fat is all bad any body fat is bad that's not true this there's a lot too much body fat there's also too little body fat both are unhealthy in fact too little body fat and the data can be worse than too much body fat i don't think that's the case with you because you're also exercising and you're probably eating healthy food but if you look at the data uh on you compare two sedentary women who aren't exercising one sits at 12 to 15 percent body fat the other one sits at 30 to 33 percent body fat you're probably going to see worse health outcomes with the leaner person i think if you trust us trust the process throughout the scale and the mirror i don't i'm not letting you look i'm not letting you i don't study yourself not letting you take pictures and analyze yourself i'm not letting none of that stuff it's like we're focusing on increasing the calories getting strong in the gym getting you to trust me and trust the process and then what i would promise you is that i'm gonna let you gain a little bit of body fat percentage but i'm i'm gonna make you happier you're gonna look better feel better you'll be stronger you'll also have more metabolic flexibility so you really enjoy more foods whatever it is that you like to do occasionally that's outside of the diet you're gonna get more of that and be looking and feeling better at the same time but you got to get over the the first that first mental hurdle of this is body fat that's coming on you it's not it's not body fat they're holding on to a little bit of water from the extra carbohydrates or calories what about that you're gonna be fine trust the process totally totally any new i knew you would say that and so i knew that it happened but i i also wonder if i need to throw away the genes too because that's the other mind play you know i'm not obsessed but i just love to be lean and so it's hard to see that go i i think dina i'm gonna help you okay i don't think you love to be lean i think you think you love to be lean i think you're afraid of gaining anything and so you're you're in this kind of state of fear okay and i know this i i know what this feels like when you get out of it the further you get out of it the more clear it's going to be and you're going to look back holy cow man i thought i liked that but i i didn't feel good it wasn't great this feels way better so and really pay attention to the signs that your body's telling you as you go through this process because the signs are going to tell you you're moving in the right direction the scale in the mirror are lying to you or at least they're telling you or they're feeding your fears i wouldn't use those like adam said you you can use the mirror but don't study yourself so if you stand in the mirror and look at yourself and like oh you see they're your oldest kid or your your partner let them be the ones to help you guys be trust them they who love you okay if they're your if they're your partner or you're your child unless they're in the same boat i've seen couples like that before so uh yeah more likely than not uh your partner will probably tell you that you're doing you're doing good and be honest with you so i would i would if i'm going to lean on any advice from somebody else opinion-wise i'm not i'm not going to trust my own where you're at currently right now i'm not going to trust what i think when i get on the scale i look at myself in the mirror i'd prefer to hear it probably from my my partner hundred percent dina have you ever have you ever had uh if you don't mind me asking have you ever had dysfunctional eating patterns or okay okay yeah years ago i'm out of that i'm fine wonderful relationship with food now i just and i practice intermittent fasting for seven eight years and i just stop that i'm like that's ridiculous it's not serving me at all so i don't do that and i bumped my calories tremendously but still afraid to kind of go up to the i'd like to stay in the teens for body fat percentage you can you can seventeen a night so all of my female trainers that looked amazing okay your route they have they hovered around seventeen on the low end to nineteen percent yeah i'd like to see you closer to nineteen i think that i think that you'll do look i'm gonna tell you something right if what we're saying sounds frightening to you you're still in the grips of what you dealt with years ago it's just the less it's still there you guys have changed my mind a little for sure and i'm getting stronger i can finally do a single pull up for the first time in my life so i know i'm getting stronger i do trust y'all okay good i actually i would actually want to to your point about the nineteen percent so i was like i actually would not allow you to cut calories until we at least least get to there yes that would be my if you were my client and you were kind of fighting with me because this is normal fighting with a client in this situation where she's telling me adam i'm getting fatter my genes aren't fitting this is i don't like this and i'd be like just trust me just trust me i'm not going to let you go too far and we can always get it right back i promise just i would i would be pushing you like that at least until you got to 19 before i allowed you to even come back the other direction just so i could show you how you feel and and and look in everything and be objective about it at that point that's what i would make you do first now here's the other part here that i just i'm looking at your email so your yoga instructors you're teaching how many classes do you teach a week oh five six what kind of yoga do you teach all of it like the hot sequence kind of power restorative okay i do i love it you do that plus you run 12 miles a week plus you strength i've stopped running and now i just do sprints on my leg day and i'm in the gym five days a week okay i want i i want you to strength train full body three days a week maps anabolic if you can i done that i want you to do that while doing what we're talking about i don't want yeah the even the sprinting i would kind of cut that down a little bit stick to the walking and i think that would be the perfect compliment to what we're talking about and what i would like to do dina is i'd like to invite you back in 60 days to come back i want to i want you in the forum too so yeah we're gonna put you in the forum and i want to invite you in and now here's why okay drag you kicking and screaming i'm putting you on air and i'm saying i'm asking you to come back in 60 days because i want to hold you accountable can we do this can you can you come back in 60 days come on the show and report back yeah i would be honored done deal okay yeah there you go and do you have maps anabolic that's the one i want you to follow i have anabolic performance and aesthetic okay good follow maps anabolic while doing this and then doug's gonna put you in the forum too so we can we can keep an eye on you and make sure you check in with us okay and we'll see you in 60 days okay oh i'm gonna hold you too and i've been a fan of yours even though y'all hated on tony horton i think you made fun of him one time thank you so much for having me thank you so much bye yeah she knew the answer to all that man if she doesn't listen if she's listening you do what we say it's gonna blow your mind yeah and the further you get out of it i know because i get into shit myself i get in these these cycles of dysfunctional bullshit then when i come out of it i look back like oh my god what was happening i mean if she just trusts us and she gets allows herself to go to 19% body fat i guarantee the way she feels how strong she is and the amount of compliments she gets yeah should be enough i think it's in there i think she knows like intuitively that's the direction totally she wants it she just wants to get that reinforced you know somebody else our next color is veronica from california veronica what's happening how can we help you hello i'm super super excited to be here this is this feels so surreal um and before i get into my question i have to give a shout out to my friend grace and who introduced me to you guys because he had heard me talk about nutrition and give some presentations and we spent a lot of time together traveling in vulgaria this summer talking about nutrition fitness and he was like veronica you listen to mind pump right because like everything you say sounds so similar to what they do and i was like no i don't like i mean i've heard them i've heard sal talk on like uh max ukwere's podcast but i don't listen and so i said send me an episode that you think i'd like and i'll take a listen and he sent me the one um why women should bulk and i've been hooked since then so i spend a lot of my day with you guys i'm really excited to be here to my friend grace and thank you good friend there yeah all right so i will jump straight into my question and i'll um read through my email because i was reviewing it and it seems pretty succinct and i can go on a lot of tangent so i'll just stick to my email um so here's my question genetically i am very muscular my body my moms and my grandpas are all super similar and we have very large calves and quads um and unfortunately i've had so many people in my life comment on my body especially on my legs like um from a really really early age that it flung me into years of body dysmorphia um strangers would literally stop me in the streets to comment on my body and people always always ask me if i was a gymnast and to me it just screamed that my body is so different and noteworthy for people to comment on it all the time um and so i stopped trusting my judgment because i didn't know if it was body dysmorphia or if it was really that different that people just had to stop and say something and it really didn't serve me well um and people for some reason especially like to comment on my legs which was really extremely inappropriate and it made me terrified to train heavy so i never skipped training leg day but um i always trained really lightly and never less than 15 reps because i had always gotten the message that like in order to avoid bulking just train light and train for a lot of reps so it's always like 25 and throughout the year sometimes i'd try and figure out like okay well how can i make my legs smaller and so i'd read all these like female blogs about pilates and none of it made sense and i never actually tried to incorporate it because it was just kind of the very like fluffy female oriented workout advice and i loved going to the gym since i was young and so i was never going to stop so none of it applied to me um so since then i mean i've continued i've been going to the gym since i was about 13 i'm 27 now um and lately i've really enjoyed lifting heavy just to see like how strong i am and really start developing my strength and so i started enjoying like that five to six rep range and i'd start but then i'd get really scared to bulk up um and i just feel so like disproportionate in my body that i'm not entirely sure how to train and i have come like really really far with my body dysmorphia um and i know i can't completely change my stature and i'm in a really good place with um training and eating for my health and longevity thanks to people like um Dr. Lion who really preach like the benefits of health and fitness especially in muscle growth for more than just like physique and weight loss but really longevity um so i feel really comfortable in my skin i just don't want to further develop my lower body and i want to say that because of this because of what i've experienced it's kind of it's helped me um build out other parts of my life so it caused me to focus on just how to have an interesting life and how to develop different skills and how to get curious about things because i just figured like okay well i'm never gonna have the ideal body type that we see in media so like why don't we focus on other things in your life and so there have been a lot of like pluses and minuses with this but i've definitely come a long way so i'm open to any advice and any direction that you have for me yeah i think you're doing the right thing i think you're working on the right things to help yourself with this you sent a picture of yourself uh Veronica and i don't know if this makes a difference but you're very proportional so you don't look disproportional um i think you're you'd be totally fine training the whole body the way you've been training but if you feel like you want to target one area over another it really is the simplest trading volume in your sessions doing less volume for the lower body more volume for the upper body less volume for body parts that you feel already are really overdeveloped or developed and more volume on body parts that uh you know you want to continue to further work on um you know one of the best gauges that i like to use for people like you where the body does because body smorphy is tricky you you can hear people tell you things all day long and it doesn't really sink in in fact you said something earlier people were complimenting you on your bodies you were growing up and they or they at least they thought they were complimenting you they probably say wow are you a gymnast do you work out but that actually caused the reverse right it actually made you hyper focus on your body so one the the the best i don't know trick or hack that i would use for clients like you is i'll get them to focus on the performance so i would look at strength so i'd say okay is my deadlift well is the ratio of my deadlift to squat seem good am i pressing really well can i do a pull-up can i do up you know this many push-ups and then use strength as a gauge of where you should place your focus that's what i would that's what i would employ you know really employ you to do is look at your strength and your performance and try to hyper focus on that because the more you focus on the way you look the more difficult it's going to be for you to really see a clear picture just based off of what you've you know what you've kind of told us go ahead yeah i know i think i think you look phenomenal right now but i would still ask you because i'm in the business of helping someone sculpt their physique and so is it your your all your lower body that you feel that is already too big or is it just your quads and less maybe the glutes or the hamstrings or how do you feel because there's certain things that we can do to modify the training let's say for example where you're like adam i'm just i feel really quad dominant but i don't mind if my butt got a little bit bigger so i'm okay with that so and my hamstrings so do you have do you feel that way about them or is it just in general you just don't like them um i i have no issues with the glutes i'll admit that um but like my quads i definitely feel like they're they are they that's what stands out to me most like when i see something definitely focus on kind of like that bulge of the of the quads when you're looking at me from the side like they just seem so apparent to me and then from the front when you look at my calves they seem really large for me so those are kind of like the two places that i generally focus on and then i'm like uh okay those are my least favorite areas but that's okay whatever we're focusing on different things and so um if i were to hyper fixate those would be the two things that i kind of um look at okay so based on one just hearing you say hyper fixate though i'd want us to get away from like because that's that's dipping back into our dysmorphia type of you like so don't hyper focus on anything like that but we can change and modify the programming to where i would eliminate like this the squatting in there and we would do things like hip thrust instead so there's things and then obviously i wouldn't have it you doing any calf raises in maps and a block i would get rid of those right so i would simply just to avoid the movements where you already feel like you're very calf dominant or quad dominant and keep the ones in there like your you know Romanian deadlifts like your hip thrust Veronica your leg day can literally be uh glute hamstring abductors and then finish with like one quad exercise like squats where you're just keeping the mobility and the strength you could totally do it that way and organizing your workout that way will help you you know about you know train your body and develop it in the way that you're looking mm-hmm and there's nothing wrong with that everything else i think where you're at it's body that is is is totally okay and i think personally we all think that you look great and very balanced but i also understand that hey listen that's the cool part about weight training is you can sculpt the physique and you can do little things like that have you actually gone through a phase where it was more like a powerlifting type of uh program yeah i haven't um i haven't done that um another like tricky part of my training routine is that i actually travel full time um i travel all over the world and so sometimes i'm in areas where i do have access to a gym and sometimes i don't and so for the last two months i've actually been um i have your maps anywhere program because sometimes i just have access to a rooftop and i train on a rooftop so last two months i've had no equipment and right now i'm actually in morocco um surfing in a small town called dameracht and actually do have um access to like a super old-school janky gym and so sometimes i train a gym sometimes i train body weight um but short answers no i've never done any kind of like powerlifting okay i like do you have map suspension that's a good program for your body travel yeah um i yes i actually do oh good well there you go do you know one day you're gonna like the fact that you build muscle easily i'm gonna tell you're young yeah and so right now you have a problem with it as you get older you're gonna watch your friends get older and you're gonna really have you're gonna have fun with it realize that being strong is is the myth and and having muscles so protective it's gonna keep your hormones healthy you're gonna always look younger than your friends because that's what muscle does so and you will one day you'll you'll end up enjoying it but i think really just modifying your workout and the way we said is gonna give you help yeah it's gonna give you kind of what you're looking for by the way are you bulgarian is that why you were there for so long or is that because your travel no no i was actually there for a conference every summer there's like a big um um meet up and festival for people who are digital nomads and travel full-time so i was actually um they're giving a presentation on health and fitness so i got to speak at it and then i stayed because i really wanted to hike in the peering mountains because it's absolutely gorgeous you got you got a cool life very cool yeah well good stuff what i was going to say is that i i did really resonate with what you were saying about focusing on like the strength of my body because traveling full-time has helped me realize like how strong i really am because i've gotten to use my body for really cool things all over the world like i summited and a 16 000 foot mountain in bolivia i've gone mountain biking in bolivia i've hiked all over the world i'm surfing in morocco and the more of these experiences that i collect i'm like wow i get to do really cool things that a lot of people don't have the strength for and so this has given me a lot of just like reflection and really changed my perception because i'm so grateful to be able to do all these really cool things with my body Veronica do this focus on performance that's going to take you away from the stuff that is harmful so focus on perform how well you could do the hiking and the running and the surfing and the swimming all those things focus on that and then do not study your body in the mirror and do not study pictures of yourself i mean you you said something earlier that and that's what you're doing is you're like well i don't like my quads when i look from the side like when you look at your quads from the side either you're studying yourself in the mirror or you're looking at a picture of yourself and you're focusing and literally finding all the whatever you would consider imperfections don't do that because that is going to drive you deeper into these dysfunctional kind of feelings and behaviors don't study yourself focus on performance by the way the side effect of which is going to be your look so healthy and good so that's going to be the most helpful thing that i can tell you all right sounds good that's simple enough and i can definitely do those things thank you ronica all right ronka awesome thanks for calling in bye bye bye what a cool uh life yeah i want to go surfing in maraca i know my brother lived like that yeah how funny is that though she felt she was disproportionate not no it's just just goes to show you man a lot of it's in your mind totally man all of it well especially you know when it when it gets uh seated as a kid oh totally yeah you know i'm saying oh my god yeah that was i bet the 90s sucks because they were trying to compliment yeah but 99% of it was compliments but at that at a young age you don't know all you were and she said it just right right she receives that i'm different yeah you know saying when you're young you don't want to be different you want to fit in you want to be this and so then how you could take someone who's got a great physique i mean there's a lot of women that would be envious to have that lower body totally you know i'm saying that are probably like angry right now listening to how dare she looks great yeah so but i mean that just shows you that how that can happen from from childhood and i you know your advice is right i mean i wanted to be able to give the advice of that's what's cool about weight training is you can also sculpt but even when i asked she the way she described her it goes right into that like in perfection i was like whoa okay let's just drive her into that yeah yeah so maybe we don't go this direction you know i'm saying maybe you should just focus on the strength thing and not worry about sculpting look if you're a trainer or coach and you love the podcast go to mindpump trainer.com check this out i'm gonna do a three-part training series for trainers and coaches starting january 15th sign up before we run out of spots also if you like this podcast and you want some free stuff go to mindpumpfree.com and find some free guides for your fitness and health goals