 that it's probably best articulated by Glaber Torres who said today in Tampa if they cheated in 2017 and 2018 then they were never caught those two years why wouldn't they have been cheating in 2019 why would and I'm paraphrasing what he said why would you all of a sudden change so no matter what Manfred has said and in all the things that he spoke about first the interview with Carl Ravich and then the the the press conference he added the the Braves new complex in in Florida he pretty much said well if they told the truth with immunity of 17 and 18 why would they lie about 19 but he did admit to Carl you can't be a hundred percent sure about anything so here is Manfred on ESPN talking about was there any consideration on stripping the astro title well in the context of my original decision it was something that we talked about and analyzed extensively it was a big topic of conversation between me and my senior staff and how did you land on the decision you landed on well I landed on it really several thoughts number one it has never happened in baseball you know and I am a believer in the idea that precedent matters and that when you deviate from it you have to have a really good reason to do that number one number two I thought that the report gave people a really transparent account of what went on that we put people in a position to make their own judgments about the behavior that went on that certainly has happened over the last month and the idea of you know an asterisk or asking for a piece of metal back seems you know sort of a feudal act people are always know that there was something about the 2017 World Series that was different and they're gonna know that because whether we made every decision right or wrong we undertook a really thorough investigation and we had the intestinal fortitude to put out there the facts we found even though they weren't very pretty you know Robert Robert's talking about like the shame that the players have to live with their punishment so let me let me take you huge leap here I'd say the vast majority of the world believe that OJ Simpson committed a double murder all those years ago he did not get found guilty by a jury of his peers so he certainly has the shame if he if he actually knows exactly what he did of knowing that he killed two people but he didn't go to jail what would you think he would prefer you won't even the Goldman family would prefer that he actually go to jail now I did go to jail later for the memorabilia stuff or the fact that he's walking around with the shame of knowing what he did without being punished you had an opportunity to do something that was very very strong take away the quote-unquote metal I don't know why you couldn't do that you're not punishing the players because you gave them immunity so once that you took that bullet out of your chamber the last thing that you have is you could actually take away their championship that under no stretch of the imagination could they ever sign an autograph Jose Altuve World Series 2017 he couldn't do it the more I hear this sound that just more it just infuriates me okay first of all the precedent thing well if that was gonna be your case then nothing would ever happen there has to be a first time for everything if our entire world was based on well it's never happened before then literally nothing would ever get done so and he said you really have to make sure it's worth it you don't think this is worth it they cheated to a world series your entire fan base is disgusted outside of Houston every player is disgusted outside of an astro if not now then when so that precedent thing just drives me up a wall lazy lame excuse the second thing that infuriates me is this arrogance that there's no life beyond our own well everybody's gonna know the scandal bull will move on to the next thing eventually but a hundred years from now 200 years from now you take that championship away then they'll have to look up why but eventually it will get forgotten like every other scandal and that that 2017 Astros will always be there at least with an asterisk I'd have to go look up and find out what the heck is that it's there for but if we're at the stand alone do you really think that 200 years from now it's gonna resonate as much as it does right now week I really I'm starting to lean towards the fact that the end game of this is that Manfred's out of a job I think he really has to contemplate resigning he is actually coming off as a buffoon to where the owners will not be able to support him and don't he doesn't he realize that he keeps dropping the ball to the point that the owners will just lose you because if baseball continues to look like a jerk he's gonna be the face of that and the owners will lose him he's lost the players already and if he's lost the players not based on some controversial call Michael or a fine or a suspension he lost them because a championship was ill-gotten gain the players are disgusted with him do you think the owners feel the same way outside of crane and cranes probably still ticked off he got fine the 5 million once he loses the owners he loses his job he can't survive this there's my okay show spring training report brought to you by to buy London the engagement shop at London Jewelers rather than play all of his cuts because he doesn't come off sounding great ramblings of a madman but the there's a couple of things that really really do bother me in this where he said that he has warned the other managers don't throw the Astros or there's gonna be punishment so somebody who throws at them because they thought that they cheated or actually did something against them they're gonna be punished more than the Astros because the Astros players have not been punished at all other than the shame that he speaks about now also take this a step further if you really know baseball you're taking the inside pitch away from pitchers when they face the Astros so you're giving the Astros an advantage as they come up to the plate they don't have to be worried about being moved off but forget about being thrown at they don't have to be worried about being moved off the plate because the umpires are gonna be on high alert because the commissioner has told them to be on high alert he's already warned the managers I don't understand that everything is being set up to give the Astros a short easy landing and that's not right now let's listen to Mike Trout Mike Trout who as I said earlier doesn't say spit if he has a mouthful he never I mean he's known as Mr. Bland my favorite line is he wouldn't tell you the price of a hot dog if you stand the next to the sign right so here he is not happy with the some of the guys you know it seems like every day something new comes out so well I mean it's LA Angels um also he gave his thoughts on the 2017 World Series you know it's tough because you don't know you know what helped him but you know what's coming it's gonna definitely help you I think I think that's you know it's tough you're taking a trophy away taking taking a raise away I think they should definitely do something I don't know what but just the cheat like that and not get anything it's uh it's that so your biggest player used the word cheat a lot of players have used the word treat cheat I don't know if you saw Trevor Bowers extensive interview in the athletic he just eviscerated Major League Baseball and eviscerated the Astros so it seems like Manfred is dead set on protecting the Astros rather than the victims the Astros are the criminals in this case they're not the victims and forget about what talk show hosts say our newspaper columnists say the players in the game every single one of them it seems believe the Astros cheated to win a championship that's already been proven in 2017 and most of them believe that they were wearing buzzers now the new thing that came out over the weekend is that out to they did not take his shirt off because his wife didn't want him to I heard this but he had an ugly tattoo that really looked bad and he really you just sent your team this is more unbelievable than the wife story you just sent your team to the World Series let's say you have the ugliest tattoo of all time on your chest let's say that for some some reason you fell asleep in the tattoo parlor and they put a tattoo of mr. McGoo on your chest and it was just it's laughable that's what you would be thinking about rounding third and heading home as your team is going to play in the World Series come on man you're straining you're straining every realm of of credulity here I don't get how we're supposed to believe this stuff now I don't know if you followed John Boy over the weekend but he said somebody had sent him a series of pictures and he retweeted I don't know if you saw this that apparently there were some pictures of Altuve during the game game six yep where he had a blue t-shirt under his jersey but then in the at bat when he hit the home run he had no t-shirt under his jersey now the significance of this is if he had the t-shirt on the buzzer probably would have been underneath the t-shirt and maybe that's why he needed to remind his team not to rip off the jersey because it wouldn't be the t-shirt that they would see it would be his bare chest now why he removed the t-shirt I have no idea but this is the type of stuff that's gonna be happening all year long and this is something that the commissioner didn't bank on he's talking about investigation fans people around the game the media they're doing their own investigations they're finding out their own stuff and that's what they're that's what there's so much evidence out there that's being diagnosed and distributed and taken care of and looked at that the arrogance of Major League Baseball to think that their investigation stands alone that they didn't find anything and that's all you need to know well there's a lot of people that have access to that could see we didn't need an investigation of Major League Baseball to tell us about the trash cans we found it out by people like John Boye now I do a better job than Major League Baseball here's a shortstop Carlos Correa a great player and he responded to Bellinger's comments the ones that we told you about on Friday where he said you know they stole an MVP away from judge and stole a world series away from us here's Correa but the problem I had is what I have was when players go out there and they they don't know the facts they're not informed on the situation and he's got them from cameras and just talk and with me doesn't that doesn't seem right doesn't sit right at all so when he talks about that we cheated for three years I mean he is that he doesn't know how to read is really bad a reading comprehension or is just not informed at all but the commission's report clearly says that all those activities were conducting 2017 2018 nothing happened 2019 nothing right there so that's that's wrong he's uninformed 2018 is into the report they cheated in 2017 and 2018 2019 they supposedly found nothing so he's wrong right there now he also says tell Cody Bellinger he tells Cody Bellinger that we earn that World Series so when I analyze all the games we earned that championship can we didn't steal it instead of talking about it he should have done something about it when you look at the World Series they left so many guys on base on game seven throughout the whole World Series Cody didn't have a good World Series so for him to be talking about us stealing that championship don't talk about it you should not be talking about it you would have done something about it because when you analyze the games we won fair and square Ken and we earned again I like Carlos Correa but if you got to the World Series because of cheating even if cheating didn't win you the World Series you want a World Series because of cheating you cheated against the Yankees in the best of seven ALCS maybe they you don't even make the World Series so let's say for some strange reason I don't believe it that they didn't cheat in the World Series you still cheated to win the World Series and yes the Dodgers didn't hit Cody Bellinger had a terrible post season but please don't say we didn't cheat it we earned it fair and square when you cheated against the Yankees in the ALCS so yeah well one thing leads to another you cheated to get the record that you had so that you would play four games in Houston against the Yankees rather than four games at Yankee Stadium so please don't tell me that cheating didn't help you you sound like Jim Crane but this is what baseball created because he's not completely wrong as far as like what you saying earlier he was wrong about 2018 because they did find something in 2018 but they investigated 2019 you know they didn't find anything these are the things to get built up because they have the backing of the of Major League Baseball and the protection to like you said before I throw at him I'm gonna get a bigger suspension than anybody that cheated it it just looks really bad that they could now Major League Baseball is the protector of the Astros and also Correa really defended Altuve Cody like you know the facts we're all in there and nobody wants to talk about this but I'm gonna talk about this I'll say I thought it was the one guy that didn't use the trash can a few times that the trash and was bang was without his consent and he'll go inside the clubhouse inside the dog out to whoever was banging the trash can and he'll get pissed he'll get mad he'll say I don't want this I can hit like this don't you do that to me he played a game clean the data of the banks that's on the on Twitter or whatever it shows it I'll do a play clean the whole year when you look at to his numbers on the road he hit 400 on the road he didn't see nobody at the MVP he earned that MVP the out to vision talking well here's out to V what's about defending on Correa defending his MVP I really think the same I thought before Carlos a great thing made what he did God that and defend their teammates it's amazing does that's the only thing I have to say now he also avoids questions about using trash cans yeah like I always said and I'm not gonna say this right now I always said that I like to talk about team I like to talk about team results no I'm here taking full responsibility for for the team I appreciate what Carlos did you know believe me you know that's that tells you about what kind of person what kind of teammate he is and I tell him a hundred times what I feel about what he did it still doesn't explain the shirt in 2019 trout came off today and said you could take my shirt off you had a homerun to send your team to the World Series at home you could do whatever you want to me that's what everybody feels Gary Sanchez said you could take my pants off and I think that what surprised everybody is what Carl Ravick said on Golick and Wingo today he said the anger Taurus Houston has not or was not anticipated by baseball this blew up around them in such a way that they hadn't anticipated and it's rare that you ever have player you know on player anger venom it's never really vocalized that way it's certainly not to this extent that the question is going to be if somebody passed me in the hallway yesterday and said my gosh this has become mean girls what what then happens after that you know what happens when you're looking at a guy 60 feet away and is he going to throw a fastball and hit me here and baseball is going to try to curtail that all right so the interview of Correa was done by Ken Rosenthal for MLB and also for the athletic now Andy McCullough who covers baseball for the athletic talked to Justin Turner about Rob Manfred's description of the commissioner's trophy is a piece of metal and he said Turner did of the Dodgers the only thing devaluing it right now is the fact that it says commissioner on it it's just unbelievable is he that out of touch with our game that those are his comments again not a winning day for Rob Manfred not a winning day at all and I don't necessarily agree with Don that he's going to lose his job over this the players could be as angry as possible with him it's if the other owners are angry as well I don't know if they I mean okay let's say let's say Hal Steinbrenner and the group that owns the Dodgers are angry at him I mean are the other owners that angry at him I don't I don't know I mean you have to it would take a they just signed into a long-term contract would take a huge uprising amongst the owners here's we're gonna make a lot of money with Rob Manfred out to get rid of him but players hating him I mean that has nothing to do with his job security just look at Roger I every NFL player despises Goodell yeah but you know what Goodell has power in negotiations that Manfred does not the players have always had the hammer in negotiations not not the last couple of ones but in history if they the players never have at the NFL ever so Roger Goodell could tick off the players all he wants owners don't care because he makes them a mint and they win in the CBA negotiations will that be the case here and the owners will blow with the wind Michael like they may love them but you know what if you get enough owners that don't like them then they can win a bunch of other guys over and this might be my talking point if I'm in the room there with them is this the guy that you want negotiating our next CBA when the players hate him as much as they do remember they're so worried about that this is going to be the guy representing the owners in the negotiations and unlike Roger Goodell he does not have the hammer Goodell does Goodell doesn't care because he knows the players will cave at least the baseball players have shown an ability a stick to it of this but to get World Series canceled to sit to live through strikes and lockouts the players in football have not don't you think though that the players complain is with the other players Manfred didn't discipline them because of the fact he knew he wasn't going to be able to win talk to Tony Clark and say those players should be disciplined but is that even there's that a conversation that's even happening right now I don't know I mean those that's up to the players it's not up to Rob but they do not like Manfred right now he has become the face of this controversy now the owners I'm sure they love Manfred but I'm sure there's a few that don't out of the Steinbrenners feel about him right now how did the Dodgers feel about him right now you know so there could be enough owners who would be like what what that did you do what why are we protecting the Astros why is Crane you know the guy that you're so protective of and Karen so much he's now become your Robert Kraft for God's sakes so what why do I want to have to deal with this now we got it now we've got a CBA to deal with and the guy that's gonna be sitting at the table with the players the players can't stand being in the same room with the guy destroying the guy we got to bring somebody else in the Red Sox JD Martinez defended Manfred's decision to grant the players immunity saying the facts of the situation would not have emerged 100% they wouldn't have Martinez said that's the way it is there was never any hardcore facts that were jumping out at you if you weren't for players talking and getting that immunity I don't think no one would have said ever said anything but but what did we get out of that a five million dollar fine and two people losing their jobs that nobody in the world cares about walk down the street and ask how many people who know who Luna is or AJ hinges but the players they know the players got away with it the championship still stands so they gave him immunity to get information to get what exactly what was the trade for it makes no sense this handled so bad and also it would never have been investigated if not for Mike fires and the athletic it because teams 10 to 12 of them had complained about the Astros cheating it was an open secret in the game the Astros were serial cheaters and nobody ever ever ever investigated them the investigation was spurred on by the quote by Mike fires and the story by Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drylick in the athletic Mike fires must be your hero because he's an Archimane