 Well, it's that time of the week again. It's time for chitchat across the pond. This is episode number 791 for April 13th 2024, and I'm your host Allison Sheridan this week our guest is barbou shots But this is a light version of chitchat across the pond right Bart. Yeah, I thought I'd blow blow the dust off the light feed Well, and someone was out enjoying themselves with an eclipse and wasn't in the mood for doing homework instead. I don't know why That's for sure and you've picked a topic that is a huge passion of mine as well So I think this is gonna be fun. And what's really weird is I didn't know we were fellow travelers in the way of Dyson Which is a very British company. So I didn't I didn't realize there were a big thing over there. Oh Huge I'm on my Fifth or sixth device from them. So wow. Yeah Cool. Yeah, so I despite being 40 something. What is it 2024 or 44 years old? I have only in my entire life purchased one vacuum cleaner until a few weeks ago now have purchased two vacuum cleaners and The first one was a Dyson v10. It turns out I thought it was a V8, but it turns out it was a v10 because the v8 looked very different in the pictures but anyway, I've had it for so many years and I don't know you guys probably don't know the TV show only fools and horses. It's a BBC show It was fantastic comedy But there was a character who quipped at his retirement that he'd had the same broom his entire career working for the council It's like I've only had ten you heads and ten you brushes, but I've had the same broom all this time And so the character's name was trigger and so everyone talks about triggers broom So when I say it to colleagues in work, oh, yeah, my vacuum cleaner is triggers Hoover They all laugh because they know exactly what I mean, but I kept that thing You know, I would replace the battery when it started to have low battery life I bust a few heads because they would get stuck under something and I would yank them out and that was not a good idea You know that you would break things as one does But you just go to the Dyson website you go to spares and you type in your model and you go Oh, yeah, I'll have one of those please and it would actually let me let me make a much better suggestion for the audience Don't go to the Dyson website to order spares go to the interwebs and find them for way way way way way way less money Dyson's cost an arm and a leg in a kidney But we keep I keep buying them But they do fail and we've been able to buy all kinds of cool parts up to an including batteries for like a battery's 40 bucks You can save a $300 vacuum for $40. So Definitely buy parts by heads by attach wall attachments everything buy a third party because it's way cheaper and they work just fine Cool. I guess and because they've kept their connector so standard for so long I guess there's no reason third parties across all the devices to yeah But they don't make the batteries the same And I'll do an anecdote about something that just happened us recently once you get started But the battery thing is just really user hostile. It really is what they've done. That's interesting So my only experience was that my my one was so old that when I needed to replace my battery I had to use a screw now it was one screw Yes, but I did actually need to have a screw and now apparently the later versions of the v10 have a replaceable battery So I discovered so the apparently I have V8. So yeah, it's it's three screws three. Oh, three whole screws so I Knew for a fact when I so I finally broke broke my my v10 They there are I guess I could have bought a new motor But at that stage I was no no that is the vacuum cleaner that I maybe I should upgrade at this point But yeah, I basically I dropped it and smashed the housing and it still worked for a month But it became more and more and more unreliable as all of the parts on the inside became less and less where they were supposed to be And eventually every time I'd move forward or the cut out and pull back and it'd start up again So as I was hoovering like Okay, it's it's it's time, but I knew I wanted you think at all about Now why but they're really a really expensive Yeah, but they fit my my philosophy on tech so well, right because I like why do I like Apple products? You know, I'm not an Apple fan Because I'm an Apple fan. I'm an Apple fan because they fit with my philosophy, which is I really appreciate things that are well-designed like I Like some people appreciate a nice painting. I appreciate nice design. It makes me happy and Dyson's are of that same school It always strikes me that when you watch a documentary about design, you know for a fact Johnny I was going to be one of the people they talk about right you that's just a given they're gonna talk about Johnny I've we're gonna talk about the iMac. They're gonna talk by the iPod They're almost certainly gonna talk about Braun, which is sort of where Johnny I've learned everything from and the Bauhaus School in Germany And the third company that comes up in almost every documentary is Dyson Because they think very differently about design and they don't have a giant big lot of products like they have a vacuum cleaner They have a fan with no blades, which which I did a review of so you should have known I was in the Dyson family I did a big review of that that I can I can run my fan in the summertime When it's 80 degrees in my room before I had air conditioning and I could I could blow air right on me And you guys couldn't hear it over my microphone Because it is magic See for me, it's not so much the design from an aesthetic standpoint as it is from a From an engineering standpoint, it's the engineering behind having a fanless not not the look and feel but the the engineering behind it Oh, so for me the look isn't it's it's not skin deep my love of good design it's Someone it's you know that feeling when something just works and you go someone thought about this Someone put a lot of effort into making sure that this thing works as well as it does because it's how well it works Is what I love rather than how it necessarily looks So you know to me that's the true nature of design They're also, you know apple and Dyson are also both by pretty charismatic people right James Dyson is a fairly interesting character I don't know if you've ever He used to do his own advertisement here in in britain He would be the one on the television telling you about the latest Dyson vacuum cleaner And he would be showing you the engineering and stuff and he would be standing in the lab He was very Steve Jobsian and the fact that he was the ceo and the head tech guy and he was a product like he is a product guy You know like so that kind of they have that in common as well but again I prefer to spend A fair amount of money infrequently and have something that I like I buy laptops that I use for six seven years That the only you can only do that with an apple laptop You know see I I actually Put Dyson more in the camp of ember. I love them so much and they fail really quickly I have bought like I said five or six That's because they have failed and that's you know in the time you've had one. I've had five or six they Parts disappeared. I had a part disappear from my from my vacuum cleaner. I do not understand how that happened It was a big one of the big stand-up ones in one day. I wasn't working right and I looked and I'm like Isn't there supposed to be a part here and a friend of mine has the same vacuum So we did the probably the first face time between two vacuums where I had her point at the same part and said Something there and she goes yeah, I do I don't know. I mean it was a big piece of plastic And I I ordered a new part from Dyson and they didn't actually charge me as much as you would think It was like 19 dollars and then the vacuum worked again I don't know and that same vacuum Eventually like this greasy black stuff kind of started oozing out of the bottom and got all over everything and that failed I've had the little the little ones like the v10 die on me. I don't know. I don't have good luck with them But I keep buying them because I love them Interesting So the other thing I should we should say is that what Dyson Built their company around was there the big idea james dyson had which was I want a vacuum cleaner that Has the same suction from the moment you start to the moment you finish and that has no consumables There should be nothing that you have to throw away and so the dirt collects in a hopper and His corporate overlords Before he went off on his own were like you can't make it see through people shouldn't know about dirt. It's a dirty Yes, we should that's the best part Absolutely, and he basically I don't care what your focus group says I don't care what you think we're making it see through and when they asked people afterwards It was like no, it's the best thing ever I love the fact that I can see my mom my mom's old vacuum when I was a kid growing up I think we've emptied it like twice a year. I open the I vacuum this I mean I I can knit a cat out of what I get out of my carpet in it from a week, you know All right, maybe even just the downstairs would be one cat and the upstairs would be the other cats Yeah, I mean it's it's really satisfying. You feel like there was a reason to do it, you know Yeah, you feel gratified that you did good work Yeah, and then on the other end you have the filter which is just rinseable Twice a year or so it I get a little light that says, you know Little icon means the filter needs to be rinsed. You're running under the tap It the the instructions actually say to leave it in the sun, but that is optional Um, you could just leave it out and it will still dry Um, and then 24 hours later, you're fucking good to go again And so I've owed it, you know, and I don't mind if I've ever told me to, uh, clean out the filter I have done that but I've never had one that had a light on it I'm gonna break in with my story about the about the battery because it really matters here So I found a Dyson v8 on the side of the road outside of a construction site But it had all the parts it had the the charger It had the wall mount it had the had the stick and the head and everything And so I thought, you know, I wonder if it just needs a new battery And so I have an I have a v8 So I I painstakingly took the three screws out removed the battery over the other one and it wouldn't go in Between the v8, I think mine is like an allergenic and this was v8 something else They switched the the little, uh probe that goes into it. They did a mirror reflection of it So it's the exact same battery with just a slightly different piece of plastic inside for how it lines up And that was the user hostile part But for 40 bucks, I ordered this steve ordered this battery It came with the three screws. It came with a screwdriver. It came with two brand new filters So this one that had been through the construction site I just threw the filters away and put in these clean new ones and it works like a champ Right. Yeah, because you know the first time I noticed there was a light about the filter was when we moved house And there was cement dust everywhere And cement dust is just the evilest thing ever. So I bet you that vacuum cleaner from the the construction site Yeah, I had to wash the inside of the hopper like I mean it was disgusting. It was really bad But I uh, I thought lindsay needed another vacuum and I uh, and I called her up and I said how many days of vacuums Do you have she's got a huge house upstairs downstairs and she said I have two no three Dyson's It's like oh man because her mother-in-law got a new one and down and sent gave her her older one So they all also have two so now I have a 300 dollar Dyson vacuum I gotta figure out what to do with but I'm not going to give it away Mine will fail eventually, you know, well, that's true. Keep a spare. Yeah So anyway, yeah, I already have two so I have an upstairs and downstairs one Yeah, I know I feel under I feel under represented now. I need more Dyson's Clearly yes, you do Um, although With COVID I bought myself their air purifier So they have an air purifier designed for one person and you sit in a bubble of filtered air and it works like it's magic You move your head and you're out of the bubble and say, oh, this is icky air and then you move your head And you're in the bubble and say, oh, this is good air because I was terrified of going back into the office But my little personal my little personal space of cleanliness just hangs over my desk And it's still there because I got so used to having High quality air that's not full of carpet gunk. Yeah, it's like, oh, I don't care about the pandemic being over. This is just nicer So my my Dyson still sits on my desk and work and the better half has serious respiratory issues So we have the really big air freshener that the one that's like two foot tall again It's a fanless fan and air purifier and humidifier And it's that the Dyson Yeah, and and it pivots and stuff so it's designed to be freestanding in the middle of the room So it's you know, it's like six not six. It's like four foot tall So, you know to my chest kind of height and it does the whole pivotee thing and everything and it tells you What particles it filtered out so you know how much better the air is And you know, and it ramps up only because he couldn't put a clear He couldn't put a clear hopper in there for you to see this the credit got in the air Exactly Well, it's actually kind of nice to know what gunk is in the Irish air So, you know, how much of it is Paula and how much of it is house dirt and actually a big difference of moving house We have no carpets in our new house And his Dyson has so much less work to do because we don't have carpets or we have very very very few carpets I should say so anyway I bought my Dyson years ago. We lived in a rented house. It was carpets everywhere and we had a cat So when I bought that Dyson, I bought the the model for pets because you know the way they You combine just the vacuum cleaner or they give you like these bundles where you have like all the bits and bobs So they had one labeled pet I was like, that sounds like a good idea So I went with the pet one and I didn't use any of the attachments, but you know, basically they have a brush head which is It's spinny thing with brushes on it. That's designed for any floor And it works on carpets. It works on hardwood floors. It just works everywhere And so that was basically all I ended up using and the yoke for getting in the corners That was it. Basically, I used those two things for the whole time. I had the vacuum cleaner But now we moved house and Did you buy another v10? Well, no, so I decided if I'm going to buy my second ever vacuum cleaner in my entire life I'm going to buy the best thing Dyson has now And I sort of I expected to find One that sucks more, right? I thought it will suck more with a longer battery life And it might have some smart bits. That was my expectation and those three things are true It is a little bit smarter. It does suck more and it does have a longer battery life But but but but so my Needs have changed no more cat because it turns out that when you have respiratory issues a pet is a terrible idea No matter how charming and adorable they are no matter how much I miss them No more pets And when we bought our own house we got to choose what was on the floor And because we have so many respiratory issues The only place we have carpet is in I don't know if this is a word Americans use We have the stairs and the landing ever hear of a landing. Yeah Okay So the stairs and the landing are carpet and only because my brother who's in the building industry convinced me that It was a terrible terrible idea to have stairs with anything but carpet because you will kill yourself You will slip and fall and you will die So I very reluctantly said fine. There will be carpet on the landing in the stairs But there is tile floors in the bits that get you know, like the kitchen and the downstairs hole And beautiful spruce wooden floors everywhere else in the house So my need for carpet is very very minimal and my need for hardwood floors is very very high But again, the generic brush head was mostly fine It did have a habit of pushing the popcorn around on the hardwood floors instead of sucking it up And I like you I have a cat litter It grabs the cat litter and flings it back. So you have to keep going back over and over again It's a that's a one of my one of my little complaints Yeah, so I have a lot of tiles And I have been taking care of those tiles the old fashioned way with a mop and elbow grease And the hardwood floors the instructions from the manufacturer were to clean them with the damp cloth every few weeks So I have been literally on my hands and knees with floor wipes Uh, so anyway, I went to the Dyson website going I wonder what's new They have a new vacuum cleaner the v15 s Wait, uh, something submarine. What's the second? It's not sense. Uh, detect submarine And submarine It's two new tricks are it has a special attachment for hardwood floors And an attachment to mop floors Oh, no way and dry vacuum. So the two things I needed are exactly the two things So the detect is the smart bit. So The detect means it now knows how much of different sizes of dirt it's pulling up So all of the v15s now do this detect thing And so at the back of it, you now have a little bar chart and you have big dirt medium dirt and little dirt And the little bars go up and down depending on what you're pulling up And the default mode so you used to have three power modes right high medium low and you would basically choose Which one you wanted depending on how much battery life you wanted Now the default mode is auto and it ramps the power up and down depending on the size of the dirt So when you find when you run across big dirt like say at the front door where we all walk with our dirty shoes You hear it go And then when it doesn't have much dirt it ramps itself right back And so the battery life now lasts for ages and I don't have to worry about it because it just Manages it magically and I get to look at how many million particles of dirt It picked up which is vaguely interesting Apparently big dirt is a big thing here anyway um, but yeah the so one of the um I got one in between and I actually don't remember the model number, but it doesn't do any of this fancy stuff, but it's a um It does change pitch when it's going on I've got tile and carpet and when I go back and forth off of them You can tell that it's it's ramping up and ramping down for the basically for the load Not based on what kind of dirt it's finding though This is based on the surface that it's working on like oh, I need to really work hard on the carpet Um, I do want to make one quick interlude here no matter what from Dyson vacuum you buy Do not buy the one with the bigger hopper So I did I had a choice of the regular size hopper or a bigger one. I thought bigger is better, right? You can hold more stuff. It turns out. It's really unwieldy. It's really heavy And it's hard to maneuver because the chamber is literally twice as long in in uh, right right right not in diameter Same diameter, but twice as long so now it's just harder And I in fact I had Steve switch in so that my main vacuum is going to be the the little one Not the big one now Yeah, and I guess I always empty it every time I just to be it's just part of the thing right you finish up you empty it in the in the trash can and then you stick it On a little mount and then it charges up again for next time. So yeah, I've never felt I needed a bigger hopper So that's a really good point because yeah portable good, you know portable right I would like to point out that can we tell them the price of the vacuum cleaner that you're talking about as we Keep going, you know, I've actually wiped it from my mind, but the link is in the show notes. How much did I pay? It's almost a thousand dollars Yeah, that sounds about right when 800 euro or something was it? 799 yeah, I don't know. I'm looking at the u.s. Store, but It's interesting to think that people still even looking into that once you've owned a dyson It's sort of like I would like you said with the mac you look at the price you go That's expensive, but I'm going to use it for a long time. Yeah divide by number of years and it's fine You know so second vacuum cleaner in the entire life. Yeah, I think I'm doing okay um Well, yeah, actually before we go into the really cool new stuff I guess the other thing is so everything the old one did this one does every reason I love the old one. I love this one But it has two things. It just does better just Even if you don't get the submarine version even just get the plain old v v 15 detect So they've made the brush head so that it makes a better seal on the floor So I don't need to use the little corner tool anymore when I run that brush head to the edge of the wall It picks up all the dirt right to the edge I don't know how But yay, right because I used to move for everything and then change the head and then do all the edges Well, I don't have to do that anymore. So yay. Thank you Um, the other thing is all of the brush heads now say tangle proof or tangle resistant or something like that I am married to someone with long hair I spent so much time. I would do three things. I would empty the empty the hopper Pull the hair out of the brush and then charge it It doesn't happen anymore I don't know how you're saving a lot of time. So you're not on your hands and knees mopping You're not having to change heads to do the corners and you're not having to pull the hair out Yeah, and I don't know how it doesn't catch hair But it doesn't that all ends up in the hopper now And it just ends up in the bin Which is fine because that's where I put it anyway when I was done But I used to have to pull it out and now it just goes straight into the bin. So yay So and the other thing is the user interface is a which was already very simple is now even simpler There's no more lights and stuff. There's one screen on the back So you know the way the motor obviously spins around an axis. So at the end of the axle is now our circular screen And it tells you what it needs to tell you So if it's running low on battery, it tells you the battery when you plug it in it tells you the battery When you're using the mop attachment, it tells you how much water you have left So it kind of tells you what you need and otherwise it just shows you the bar chart of what size of dirt you're picking up And it has so my bar chart has has three Three levels of uh, it's got eco Middle and turbo boost or something in the middle So mine is eco auto turbo Okay So I can't say stay in the middle setting I can only say Pick for yourself go softly or go very hard And the one small piece of carpet we have in our house is really really fluffy carpet because I wanted You know, where do you walk barefoot between the bedroom and the bathroom? So that's where I have the fluffiest carpet. Um, and if the vacuum is set to full power It pulls it bugs itself Into the carpet to the point where it becomes like a workout to push it So I put it to eco for the carpet and then I put it back to auto. Um, but other than that Yeah, that's all I ever do And yeah, there's one button and you tap the button to change the mode and if you need to go into the menu Which I did once when I bought the vacuum cleaner. It's press and hold Press press and hold press so it's mildly awkward to do the thing you do once ever But other than that all you're going to do is change the modes and it's just tap tap tap So it's it's very very pleasant and instead of having to know the little icon for please wash my filter It'll just tell you on the screen What it wants you to do or not do or What it you know, if it wants your attention, it'll just tell you what it wants, which is nice So that's the normal stuff and all of the v15s will do that But then we come to the optional extras that I decided to go with with the Detect submarine which sounds like some sort of sonar system from world war two to me. But anyway so In that bundle you get two magic tricks So the first magic trick is designed for hardwood floors And they call it a slim. Hang on. I get the fancy pants name for it has lasers, which is why I love it But they call it the laser slim fluffy cleaner head So, okay I think they went to buy it What is the laser for? The laser is to show you the dirt It's a green laser That runs ahead of the vacuum cleaner along the floor And honestly goodness, I can't tell when I'm standing up on my hardwood floor with a grain on it where I haven't haven't been With that laser Oh, wow, can I tell? Oh, wow, can I tell where I haven't haven't been and oh goodness me? Do I know when it's been too long since I last vacuumed it is astonishing how much Lint and cruft can be hiding on a textured surface like a hardwood floor right with those wood grains So if you don't see the gunk but the laser just illuminates it and it's It's very pleasing Because everywhere you've been is you know, the laser picks up nothing Right, you don't even see the laser because it's not glinting off anything And then you move to the bit you haven't been to I was like, oh, wow. Yeah So it's great. And it's also the slim line bits important. It's way way way lower profile than the brush head So it goes under your genders and things Yeah, so when you're cleaning the sitting room in particular or the bedroom under the beds and stuff It really gets in under there again No need for the edging no need for the little edge thing because you're getting right in under it with the Laser slim line contraption, which is fantastic. And instead of being a brush It's got like a felt roller So it's giving your floors a nice little little gentle or little scrub And it has little so it's like a felt roller with little brushes and the little brushes get into the gap between the hardwood floors And the felt is giving your hardwood floors a little polish And I think there's a static electricity thing happening Because it doesn't push the dirt around It actually catches it And it's the same hardwood floor. So if the brush was pushing my popcorn away Why would this be catching it? I'm assuming it's because of static electricity because it seems to magically just pull everything towards it Well, it's sucking, isn't it? Well, sure, but so was the other one So, but the other one was whisking at it. This is not whisking at it, right? It's not Smacking it But it's I don't I don't know that you didn't you just said it's a mat Well, we're right. So it's a roller But instead of it being the big sticky out he brushes. It's a it's a felty roller Okay, okay. Well, maybe I think the the whiskers just smack it and make it Maybe that's what I don't know why it's very effective But I know that it's very effective So and the laser is just cool. I just love the laser. So that already is cool But the real party piece is no more mopping So the submarine head is so well designed So you have a water hopper at the front that's obvious and you fill that with clean water And it has a round spinny head like you would expect which is made of a sort of a mop like material which sits on a heater And inside it there's a little scraper And that takes the water off the top of the mop head and into an inside reservoir where the dirty water goes So as you're mopping you have your clean water reservoir gets lower and lower and lower And there's an equal sized reservoir inside the mop head where the dirty water is collecting This is all down on the head not up on the head all 100 on the head. So everything happens in the head and As you're going That the heater is heating up the water So it dries stupendously quickly behind you You don't have like puddles of water on the floor I mean it it's noticeably wet for a couple of minutes But it is just two or three minutes that it's notably wet and then it's all dried up And you watch your your clean water go down And you don't see the dirty water until you finish when you empty the inside reservoir And you admire satisfying to the hopper Equally satisfying to the hopper and then you just rinse it out and again the the roller bar comes straight out very very very easy You can't you literally can't get it wrong. It doesn't fit wrong Like all the things it it there is no wrong And again the icon says put it in the sun, but it works in Ireland too. So you just let it dry for a day It makes me laugh every time the little picture of the sun in 24 hours. This is sun 24 h I was like, well, I wonder how Maybe it's maybe it's 32 h for me But by the way, it still works and you just leave it out And so because it's more of a moist clean than a wet clean I am perfectly comfortable using it on the hardwood floors once a month so You know because you do want to give them a sort of a more thorough clean than you're going to get with with the The soft fluffy whatever head it was called So I've been using I've been using the the the wet head on the hardwood floors And it's absolutely fine and because it tries so quickly you really don't feel like you're endangering your hardwood floors It really is So I am just So pleased that I don't have to get down on my hands and knees anymore. I don't have to mop the floor anymore and it's just So well thought out. I just feel like I've had such an upgrade in the 10 15 years since I bought the last one. It's it's huge But I do want to say there is one thing that they have made a little bit less nice So when I bought the last one, I bought an optional charging stand Which is this thing you plug into the wall and it has a cradle at the top where you clunk in the the main body to charge it up and it had connectors like the ones at the bottom of the the wand But they were just all over this thing and you just click all of the heads all over this stand And so you just had this tree of heads There is a stand. So I have a new charging stand. It's a different stand and the the mount is now spring loaded So you don't have to be really really exact It's on a little swivel and it likes to be upright, but it will happily swivel So it's way easier to put it in and out, which is cool There is one clip where the wand goes so you can clip the wand with one default head All the rest is now your problem so so we bought a Third-party bracket that goes across the top of the the standard mount and we can add like six more little heads I'll have to find a link to that. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to figure out where Steve bought that But yeah, it's a little janky because it's not exactly right and it kind of It kind of slopes down a little bit like you'd like it to be stiff and straight It's a little bit janky, but but it works it holds all the the stuff off the off the Floor or out of you don't have to have it in a box or something like that Yeah, so at the at the moment you and I also share a love of the Ikea Kalaxa series So one of my square boxes in the kitchen now has a basket in it, which is full of dice and heads But I wouldn't much for maybe we could get those on the wall Yeah, exactly. I would much prefer to have them on the wall. That will be perfect Yeah Behind the church standard then everything is perfect again and I can get back one of my boxes Because I wanted for other things. I have many things to store But yeah, I on the whole I I just sort of feel like I got years and years of and I genuinely liked my v10 Like I I shouldn't like a vacuum cleaner, but honestly gonna say I liked it And I never think about when you were when you were You ever think when you were a kid that you would you would grow up to like a vacuum cleaner You would really kind care about something like a vacuum cleaner No, no, I read no, you know, because it was a thing that you were forced to do against your will But when you have your own place you feel very different to your bed cleaning cleaning is not a chore Cleaning is something that you enjoy the result of you may not enjoy doing it But you enjoy shortly after Shortly you get the benefits, right? Yeah in the case of the This thing seems to take care of an awful lot of different problems. It's it's not just a vacuum cleaner Right. It's a lot more than that. It's a floor cleaner. It's got me thinking now. I've joined him for another another license If you have more than carpet in the house honest to goodness, it really works It's we have tile and the tile the the grout in the tile is just it's such a nightmare to keep clean So it's uh, we mop it, but you know I have a story about my grout So when when the guy came to to ask me how I wanted my tiles lady said do you want white grout or gray grout? And I said what color grout would look least grotty over time? Oh the gray stuff you'll never tell it's dirty or not I said gray grout So when I had uh, when we remodeled our house and had all kinds of new tile put in I told the guy I said I went dirt colored grout And they laid in the grout and it wasn't and I made him take it out. I said no, you can't give me white grout I'm not going to I told you dirt colored grout. I was that that's a memorable phrase. I'm sure you remember me saying that And so uh, yeah, I now have dirt colored grout, but it still looks worse than when we got it Still not the same aged It looks aged like a good pair of jeans. Yeah, but it's it's not linearly. You know, it's not Uniformly aged. That's the problem. Yeah, that is that is what we sound like a couple old people Yeah, when you spill coffee on it no matter it's it's dirt colored not coffee colored some things will stain it. Yeah Yep. Yep. Yep. Coffee's the worst And the best You know for drinking and you know for staining. Yes, but anyway, yeah, so Yeah, I wanted to share the fact that I have lasers and submarines in my vacuum cleaner Yep, yours is cooler than mine now. I want another one Bart. 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