 Karuna State grounded as organized labour begins five-day warning strike. We'll be talking to a labour official and a lawyer about this. People's democratic party governors demand restructuring and devolution of powers to the state. The All Progressive Congress reacts calling the PDP governors meeting a political jamboree. And just how much is Nigeria's four-part situation cost in the country? We'll find out later this morning. Hello and welcome to The Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. It's a very, very wet Tuesday morning here in Lagos and we're hoping it doesn't disrupt your activities. Good morning. I am Musaugier, Augment. Good morning Annetta. Good morning and I am Annetta Felix. It's a beautiful day. The rains are here again. Even though not many people are happy about that, high for one. But looking at the general state of things happening in the country, we know what's happening with the APC and the PDP. So after the South West governor, 17 of them met in Delta State last week Tuesday, we saw that the PDP governors gathered in your states yesterday and they had a meeting and they issued a six-item communique. It was basically talking about security in the country, suggesting ways that President Buhari could improve on it, saying he should fund the police, fund security agencies. He should devolve powers that let states be able to control security within their territories. And I think the tipping point here was when they began to use certain words that you would not expect of political leaders, such like saying the PDP is incompetent and as many people might argue that the APC is incompetent. Many people might argue that that's actually the case, but finding that in a communique that should be official just didn't seem exactly right. So they're saying that they deliberated on a worsening of security, asking the president to sign an executive bill to the National Assembly on the amendment of the Nigerian constitution. But we know that the APC responded to this yesterday and the APC described the PDP's meeting as... I mean, you can see that meeting there on your screen, the PDP governors in your state. And they're saying the meeting is very disappointing and that the meeting was a political jamboree with no substance. The representative of the APC said, instead of using this meeting as a golden opportunity to consult and prefer solutions to the nation's challenges, the meeting was turned to an avenue to attack the ruling party and the government. He said it's unfortunate that the PDP governors chose to engage in misplaced name calling and abuses. Well, a lot of people have said it's a good thing that there is now these meetings taking place. First of all, it was the sovereign governors and now it's the PDP governor's meetings. I'll start with talking about the reactions and that is from, I think it was a member of the National Assembly who put out that APC response saying it was describing the meeting as useless or whatever word that they used and saying that it is best if they prefer solutions to the challenges instead of insulting the APC. I feel like we as quickly as possible need to get to a place where we take away our political leanings and really focus on what truly is important and the substance of these discussions regardless of what that person who wrote that response or the APC's response is, the PDP's meeting, they need to ask themselves if the resolutions of the meeting actually did make sense. If the resolutions of the meeting are truly the right things then Nigeria should be focusing on now, should be talking about state police, should be really be talking about restructuring, should we be funding our security agencies better and I think everybody would agree yes to some of all these things and that's what should be the focus, distracting Nigerians by name calling or distracting Nigerians by saying that the PDP's meeting was only there to insult the APC. That's really not the point regardless of how they feel. I feel personally that for something that should be a corporate communication from a party there should have been a proof reader so to speak to have taken away some of the words that are distracted from the call message of that communicate. Well sometimes they might not be. But look at what it's done now. Rather than focus on the substance of the message. So this is what I'm saying. We're now looking at the name calling. It's the same thing that I'm saying so both ways. So personally I don't care whatever name the PDP used. I'm focusing and I feel like everybody should focus on what the call message of the meeting was and the same thing that the APC should do. Nobody cares anymore about who's insulting who or is not insulting who. What's important is the human angle and what Nigerians are dealing with and what's important to move our country forward. So if they call you a goat okay it's fine but you know what's the call message of this meeting. When is the APC going to have their own? When is the APC government going to have their own meeting? They come up with their own resolutions and the person saying oh the PDP governor should you know instead of focusing on solutions for the country. There's been so many of these solutions for years. So many people have preferred solutions. None of them have been taken seriously. It's not the first time we've had meetings. It's not the first time that we've had resolutions. It's not the first time we've had people prefer solutions. How many of them have been taken seriously? How many times have the APC governors preferred their own solutions that they've actually put into work? Exactly, the solutions here like I mentioned six points of them are things that we all know. The first one or the second one says that Mr. President choose someone an immediate meeting of the Nigerian Police Council which comprises Mr. President, all state governors, critical stakeholders to implement strategies to combat security threats. He said this talks about state policing, police force, training, welfare equipment, funding. It went on to say they support the position of the southern governors that ranching is the most viable solution to end the herders and farmers clashes. It went on to say that this restructuring of the Nigerian state is very important so that powers can be devolved and states can function more effectively to reform various civil institutions, achieve efficiency, equity. Just every possible solution that analysts have shared on programs of the breakfast. So which of them there is a lie? Which of them there is nonsense? Which of them there is not important? Every single one of those resolutions if we're being honest with ourselves is important in moving the country forward. And so the APC should, I believe that they should at this point accept that Nigerians are not very happy with the way that the country is going and the direction that Nigeria is going at this point and that many people have said it, from Abasinger to Artigo Abubakar to IBB, a lot of people have said it. And so whatever response that they should have should be focused on what we truly need to do, what the call message is. Yes, you will be insulted. In 2014, built up to the 2015 elections, Gulak Jonathan and the PDP were insulted. There's no name that they weren't called. There was coffins with GEJ on them. There were people who called Gulak Jonathan a goat. What's his name? Omar Jua said he was going to buy two goats and name one Gulak and name one Jonathan. All these things happened and it's part of the, it happens you cannot avoid it completely. So if the APC decides that the only thing that they saw in that meeting is the fact that they insulted the APC and told them and said that they're incompetent, then it clearly shows that they're really not even interested in preferring solutions. And for many, many months and years there have been solutions, there have been ideas, there have been thoughts on what we need to do. How many of them have we taken seriously? Absolutely none. We go back to the same process. So I don't, I personally don't care if the PDP decides to use the word incompetent or decides to use the word, you know, he goat or whatever they choose to use. The important thing for me is what is the content of the message and the resolutions. So if you cannot, if you read the whole resolution that was put out and the only thing that you saw there is incompetent and whatever the other word is then we're not serious. They are not serious. And it's the same thing, I think there's also a response. One of the things that we're going to be talking about today, the NLC, you know, and their protest in Cardona State. And the Cardona State governor saying, oh, it's a PDP thing, it's a PDP propaganda or whatever it is. He was also a part of a protest in the past. So is he saying that when he protested in the past it was an APC protest? It was sponsored, yes, exactly. Questions we need to ask. And you mentioned good luck, Jonathan, and how he was insulted, you know, in the buttocks of the elections in 2015 and really that relates to what we're talking about next. 23 elections is just around the corner and we know that lots of, you know, political parties and groups are pitching their tent with different political leaders, someone to know what to run for, someone to run for governor or for president. Others want, you know, good luck, Jonathan. So there's a group here. Yes, exactly. There's a group now, they've called themselves the, let me get that out. It's a very interesting name that they have called themselves right now. They say that they are the auspices of the youth earnestly demand for good luck, Jonathan, 2023. That's the name of their group. Youth, earnestly demand, I don't know how they come up with these names because some of these names are funny. You see, Youth supports Tunubu 2024. There is one thing that you would never lack in Nigeria is youth groups and different groups here and there. Today's a women's group, the next day it's a youth group, the next day it's an old people's group. There is never a lack of it, you know, of groups and committees. This group might be made up of only seven people, just giving themselves a name and deciding that this is the message they want to put out, they call a press conference, people have interviewed them and said that's their message. You know, it doesn't all the time, old substance, most of the time it's done for their own personal reasons. Indeed. Does good luck, Jonathan, want to contest? Does he have a right to contest? Yes, he does. Will he contest? Nobody knows. Should he contest? That's where the, you know, the big question is, does he think that with the way Nigeria has gone in the last couple of years, he wants to put himself back in that position to be president of Nigeria. I personally don't think so. I don't think that he should go back, you know, to that space anymore. Why? Why not? Mostly because of the the cloud, you know, over, you know, the time that he was there, you know, and the way that the government has been seen to be have run at that time. Even if yes, people would also still give him some credit. I saw a poll yesterday that was showing Nigeria's economic growth under different presidents of Asunjo, Yarada, Yarada, I think is one of the highest. Good luck, Jonathan, was about 5%. And then the current administration was barely any percentage with regard to economic growth. You know, so you might look at that and say, okay, yes, he did well enough with regard to the economy. And so he has, you know, some right. But I personally feel like he has, you know, since living government has been able to create a better space for himself, you know, being an advocate for peace, moving to different African countries and continuing to be a voice of peace and democracy across Africa. And I think you should just hold on to that. And I think that the next generation of Nigeria move and seek a younger, more vision driven, more intellectual president in 2023. That's where we need to be headed. As we still have the conversations on restructuring and we still have conversations on state police and what more needs to be done. We need to have a president that knows where the world is going. We need to have a person in Asurok that knows where he wants Nigeria to be. And just talking about cars. Technology now that can, you know, that has cars that can fly. We shouldn't be talking about cars in 2023. It's embarrassing for Nigeria. I saw the guy, if you remember the picture, the guy who carried goats and named it Good Luck, Jonathan. I saw him off at Meralty sometime late last year. He's standing there on Meralty. Still jobless, still frustrated. And he was one of the people that we've interviewed on this platform, complaining bitterly a couple of months ago about where the country is going. Do you remember the man who named his dog, Buhari, and he was arrested? Do you remember that situation? So basically the bone of contention is that this particular group asking former president Good Luck, Ibn-e Jonathan to run again in 2023 and they're saying they're going to sponsor his political campaign. Where do these groups get the money from? I have no idea. If there's a just political statement, I have no idea. But if you have such money, do you know how much it costs to buy a nomination forms in Nigeria? These run into millions of Naira. And I feel if you have such funds, definitely there's something else you're seeking if such a person attains that leadership position. So why don't you use that money to converse for, like you said, a younger youth. Someone with vision for Nigeria, someone who has passion and who has ideas. In fact, we're not sure of ideas. Ideas are everywhere. Just take a listen to one of the TV stations in Nigeria, like Plus TV Africa. And you're hearing ideas every second coming out from this TV station. But the issue here is implementation. That seems to be where the major challenge is when it comes to our political leadership in Nigeria. So it's now up to former president, good luck Jonathan, to decide if he would run for presidency like he's been asked to right now. But I feel that he has ascended a height when it comes to politics in Africa. It's out beyond Nigeria. How he's just been useful in mediating in conflicts within the country and otherwise. He's a voice that people, all the African leaders listen to. He is revered in such a manner. And really, I feel coming back to Nigerian politics would you know what they say about a prophet not being appreciated in his own home. That's exactly how the tables would turn. He had his own faults. No one is going to call him the best that we've ever had. He had a lot of places where there was lack with his presidency. But you know would see. Time would tell we have two years to 2023. We should do a poll. Plus we should put out a poll and ask if good luck Jonathan should run for president. Let's see how that goes. He had his poll on some other TV station. 6% yes, 90% no, 3% maybe. And this was the day after he said all Nigerians have been clamoring for him to be president. Anyway, stay with us. We'll take a short break and then we'll come back when moving into off the press. What are the major stories making headlines across Nigeria today? We'll share with you.