 our next guest, our good friend. He knows who Flip Wilson is, and he's the Hall of Famer, Joe Nameth, who had very interesting comments on social media yesterday. So we asked him if he'd come on, and he said he would. Joe, it's Michael and Don. Great to talk to you. How are you doing? Fellas, I'm doing well, and it's good to be with you, really. I'm looking forward to talking with you. All right, so let's obviously the big point of discussion today is about Zach. Let's start with a quasi-positive, Joe. Did you take anything positive out of his performance yesterday? You know, you're talking about Flip. You got me thinking about Geraldine. You know what? No, I didn't take anything positive out of it yesterday. It was awful. Why? Why? Were you watching? Is anyone watching? I mean, please, when did you ever see, well, whether it's Zach, we'll stay on Zach. You sit down. You sit down on the play. You go right down. What happens? I thought you're trying to win and make plays. You quit on a play. What is going on? It's disgusting. And you brought up the coaching. How can a coach make things better for Zach? How can a coach say the locker rooms together? How many teams have we been on? Are you telling me there aren't some cats on the defensive side saying, whoa, man, what's wrong with you? Yeah, there's not all harmony in the locker room. And if there is, they need to get ready to people. You got to get people in there that are competitors and want to fight to win. These guys don't have to be in love with each other. And if they're saying they're in love with each other, they're BSing you. And you got to get ready. Top to bottom. If somebody handed you Zach Wilson and said, OK, Joe, make him better, what would you do? Send them to Kansas City to back up against somebody like my home. Maybe it learned something. I wouldn't keep them. I've seen enough of Zach Wilson. All right? I've seen enough. That's quick feet and throw a little bit, but I don't believe what's going on up there. Yeah, that's the thing is that they're saying they believe in him. And if they're backing it up, Joe, by not bringing in a veteran quarterback. Well, what could be Joe Douglas's motivation at this point with the season teetering of not bringing in somebody that has played in this league before outside of Tim Boyle backing up Zach? He picked these people. Douglas picked these people. So he's going to double that? What's he going to do? I can get rid of everybody. What do you got to start over? Well, Mr. Johnson, hey, these guys aren't picking the right players. They're not doing a good job of coaching. It's evidence. I mean, you've got to look and see if you have an eye about football at all. You see things are haywire. It's too crazy. They need to fix it. And that's getting rid of a lot of people and bringing new ones in. All right, so Joe, let's look at it this way. Obviously, they planned the whole offseason of Aaron Rodgers. And Robert Sala was just on with the show and said they catered an offense around Aaron Rodgers. Now they've got to find one for Zach Wilson. Do you buy that? And is that a tough thing to transition into a different offense for Zach Wilson? How many months ago was that to learn the offense? How many months ago was that? Come on. Now, Aaron, he got hurt. OK, well, what do you think you have backups there for? They're ready to go. They're supposed to be ready to go. We're looking at an offense that just doesn't play well. Are you got an offensive coordinator that doesn't seem to be calling the right plays? I just think for a fan, for this fan, they need to make major changes from top to bottom. Change. Does that include the head coach? Yes. You think he's part of the problem with Zach? When he's telling me that locker rooms together, when he's telling me these guys love one another, yeah, well, thanks a lot. We can go back to whatever place you learn that stuff. But they're losing. Guys don't like to lose. They're not holding hands when they're losing. Well, here's a problem, Joe, that I wonder what you would do. Nobody's going anywhere unless Aaron Rodgers says so. Well, wait a minute. Aaron Rodgers is not coaching the team. He's not Woody Johnson. He's not Christopher Johnson. Come on. And what guarantees are there other than one that worked out? What guarantees are there that Aaron's going to be able to come back? What are you talking about? I'm not. You're right, Joe. But you know how organizations are. I mean, this guy wants to come back. And if he wants Robert Sol to be his coach, if he wants Zach Wilson to be his backup quarterback, they're not in any position to say no, because they want him to come back and play. Well, I don't know that they're not in any position to say no. I don't know the contracts and how they're structured. Maybe they are locked in. But I know one thing. If you're running that team as ownership, you don't lock yourself into that kind of a situation. Now, in watching him, Joe, him being Zach Wilson, it almost looks like it's not reacting. It's not like using his talents. He's overthinking things. And he's just not letting his talents take over. Are you saying the same thing as if maybe he's overcoached? I'm saying, I don't believe in him. I don't believe he has a future as a good player. And I think they made the wrong choice when they drafted him. I feel that way. He has some athletic ability, but you've got to have something up here that's going on whenever you're studying and reading, playing out there, sitting down, sitting down, throwing the ball. It's ridiculous. You've got the wrong people playing and taking them. It's incredible. But there is an arm. There are legs, but is it one of those? I hate to say it this way, but is this one of the classic, you know, million dollar arm, 10 cent head? Well, I've never met Zach. So I don't know what's going on between the ears. I only know what I see out there. And it's hard to tell what's going on between a guy's ears and the mind does play a major role on your team, in your team and every individual in your team, whatever position they're playing. They have a duty. They have place to carry out. And they have to do them with regularity. And he's far from that. Well, since they don't seem like they're going to make any change and they seem like they're sticking by him. Joe, is there something they could do with him? Like just make him run the ball? Is there anything they could do to salvage a little bit of the season if they're committed to staying with him? Committed to staying with him. And I gather they are because they don't have a, I don't know how good the backup quarterback is. The one that they traded away would be a good starter. And it will be someday in white. But meantime, the players all collectively have to play better and they know that. And I guess you don't point your finger at any one guy, but as a fan, I sure do. The guy that handles that ball and has to make decisions, he's got to be right more times than not. And we've been watching him for a couple of years now and I don't have any confidence in him at all. Is the offensive line good enough even if the quarterback was good? Because look, Rodgers, it took four plays and he's out for the season. Do you not like what you see of the offensive line? The offensive line, only in the backyard that I ever played at position. To me, they have, I think the toughest job when it comes to execution against animals like those defensive fronts and linebackers that are coming. The offensive line needs to improve, that's for sure. All the players out there need to improve. But the offensive line... Do you like Gary Wilson from what you see of him? They've got to get better real fast or else it's, well, whatever else, it's going to be a long season no matter what. Now you're going to lose the room, Joe. And that's just going to happen, especially with the modern day athlete. They're not going to want to take a knee on the season, Joe. And Sala's going to lose the room. If you're a veteran in that room, what can you say to try to keep everybody together as the loss has started to pile up? I'm not going to say, if these guys are working for a living, you know, they're working for a living, they're professionals, they're getting paid, they're better playing their butts off because that one-eyed monster called that camera looking at them, valuating every single move they make out there. That one-eyed monster tells no lies. It doesn't describe it. It shows every team around the league are looking at these films or these tapes. They see what the individuals are doing. Now, mostly I count on him. I don't think he's going to quit. And I don't think there's a lot of guys out there that are going to quit on the defense, on the offense. I don't think they're guys going to quit because that's their living. They know they're being judged and evaluated on each play. They're going to try, they're going to try their best to play. They just don't have the talent up front. In my opinion, offensively, at this time they can develop and they certainly don't have the talent with the guy that handles the ball every play and has to make the decisions with the offense every single play. They don't have that. They got wide receivers that are outstanding, the defense is pretty darn good, the corner. Hey, there's good players on that team. You know, Joe, I've never heard you this angry. Is this the lowest point for you as a fan of this team? I think so. I think so. I hate losing other fans that I know we hate losing. We were on teams, I was on teams that lost. It stinks. These players don't like losing. They're trying. Meantime, the coaching, are they getting good coaching? I don't know. It doesn't appear like they are. I mean, calling good plays that I see running back that wants to run the ball more and, you know, getting in arguments on the sidelines with coaches, hey, something's up that the players aren't happy with the way they're getting coached. Yeah, it's so difficult to make a change during the course of the season. I was mentioning that this is part of the trouble with having a defensive-minded head coach. I mean, it's such an offensive league now. Would things be better if you had an offensive guy as the head coach to at least be able to help the progression of this offense? I don't think that that's the major issue here. I think it is the personnel. Whether you're a defensive guy like Parcells who couldn't lead a team to championships or an offensive guy, no. It's the guys on the ETH that's the assistance and the head coach, even in college ball, oversees all of that and he should be able to recognize what his coaches are doing and convey that to the general manager and go on, you know. But I don't know whether they protect one another or what, but it's awful. It's awful and it's hurting. I had to smile though when the guy spit his teeth halfway out. I was not yesterday. And that's about how most of us felt watching him. 15 straight losses to the Patriots, Joe. I mean, of all teams too, to lose that many too. Do you ever remember in your career, whether it was Alabama or with the Jets, that you had a team that just had your number like that? No, no, no. I don't recall that. And I guess if we look around the league, are there any other teams that have lost 15 straight to an opponent, a comfort division opponent? I don't know. Yeah, well, certainly not to someone that seems to hate the Jets as much as Bill Belichick does. It just drives Jets fans crazy. We're talking to Joe Namath after another tough day for the Jets after they lose to the New England Patriots. I gotta ask you as an offensive guy, we brought it up earlier in the show. Miami puts up 70 points against Denver. They can line up for a field goal to break the record. They say, we don't wanna embarrass Sean Payton. We're not gonna kick it. But don't you think at 70 points, you're probably embarrassed already? Would you be tempted to break the record and do you get what Miami did there? I get why Miami didn't try to break the record. There is some respect for coaches and players and how much you wanna rub it in. You've scored 70 points on a team. You've got them. They know I like that the coach didn't go for the field goal. I used to put up that many points. Just to look at this division, Joe, right? I mean, I think Buffalo's gonna be fine. Miami looks like they're legit. It's gonna be so difficult, even if the Jets were good to be able to navigate through some of these good teams in the AFC and even in their own division. Well, if they were good, they'd make it enjoyable. We wanna, you know, but they're not good. They don't have the personnel for the most part. But they're supposed to be talented. I mean, they've got receivers. You really think it's a personnel problem? I think from the top to the bottom, from general manager to the head coach, down through the system, the way they're running it needs changed. God, it's so weird, Joe, because you're not wrong, but at the same time waiting in the wings, you hope is gonna be a healthy Aaron Rodgers next year. How much better do you think this team would be if Rodgers didn't get hurt? Or would they eventually get exposed for all the reasons you're talking? I have no idea. I just know it would have been better. How much better? I'm not sure, right? He's the kind of guy that can help out the offensive line and help out the defense just with his decision making where he's going with the ball, knowing what's happening. Yeah, you can't compare his leadership to anyone's on the Jets team. I mean, they definitely miss him. He was a major warrior to bring in, and we were counting on him, but Lady Luck darn it, you know what? Yeah, you know, man, that's the way it is in life. Life's not always fair and it's disappointing, and it's a good thing we're just talking about football. Well, I just wonder, they say sometimes you feel better when you got a chance to talk it out. Do you feel any better after this interview or worse? I feel honestly better. Yeah, you know, because I haven't talked to anybody except for my family, or my daughter, or whatever. I, yeah, yeah, and yeah, yeah, I feel better that I have at least got it off my chest and explained my feelings about what's going on. Well, we're here for you. If any time you want to vent about your Jets, you've got a place here on the Michael K Show, you know that, right? Well, Michael, all right, and I'm going to be watching the Jets. So I'm not quitting on them. I don't want you and I'm pulling for them, but boy, they need to make some changes and starting with on the field or on the sidelines or upstairs, man. They need to get better. Well, Joe, try to enjoy the rest of the season. We'll talk to you soon. Say healthy, man. All right, we win some games. We'll enjoy it. All right, that's the great Joe Namath. He wants scorched earth. He wants everybody gone. It's a personnel problem. It's a coaching problem. Listen, if he's right, then where are you going?