 Oop ladies and gentlemen, we are live Show pre-show Please places your phones into the silence modes you ever had a Navajo taco. Those are good What's a Navajo taco? So here they're very popular and whenever they have like a we'll have like Native American Festivals and things in Salt Lake City. They'll have tons of these places where you can get novel tacos. They're basically flat bread That's just piled with like beans and lettuce and tomatoes and pico de gallo type stuff. It's all very so it's it's flat It's the what is sometimes referred to perhaps Appropriately as Indian flat bread. There's the one. Yeah. Yeah, it is so good. They're amazing. I think that's You know About the Indian flat bread. Oh you went away. Would you say you cut out for a second? Oh, did I? I'm sorry. You're right Is it is it working? Is it working now? Oh, no, like supposedly they they developed that particular food stuff because that's what the US Army Left for them like as it's part of the hey, you're gonna live on a reservation Oh They gave them like lard in I see weird. Well, that's a darker turn to my local Enjoyment of some customs. That's that's horrible. I mean big me look if they did what they could they made a taco out of it All right, and it's really good when life gives you crap make tacos Hard and flat bread make tacos Right I guess still got a couple minutes here apologies YouTube audience, but we're we've got to let the live audience show up And I gotta start a minute early. I guess that's all right, right? I started doing the Diamond Club simul stream for the morning stream because the latency is so low It's like five seconds before anyone hears what we say. Yeah, if we have live calls or contests or whatever they just They're in there in yeah, well, that's that was Brian and Justin's big effort Right was to get somebody to do that and Diamond Club stepped up. No, I'm clubbing amazing All right, uh, shall we go then? Yes, here we go Do you struggle to get everything you plan all done in one week Do you sometimes wish you had an extra couple of hours or maybe another day? We here at the Daily Tech News show think the same and with your help We can add an extra day to your week daily tech news show comm forward slash support with your help day six Coming soon This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, April 13th Wednesday the 13th 2016 I'm Todd Mary joining me today Scott Johnson head of the frog pants studios head of production at frog pants studios Wednesday the 13th. Oh, be careful. You know the old stories about Wednesday the 13th It's my I consider it my lucky day Wednesday the 13th Is I really like doing the show and a lot of things have happened in the tech world And why not put our heads together and try to make sense of it. I like let's let's let's do it We're gonna talk to you readers and our varying habits. We have different habits One of us is crazy You guys decide you they'll get to decide and let's just say this all right as similar as you and I are Our paths diverge today. All right here it comes but first the headlines The Washington Post reports people familiar with the matter tell it that professional hackers sold a zero day flaw To the FBI in order to unlock the iPhone 5c in the San Bernardino case The FBI created hardware that then took advantage of that flaw It's a little different than what we had heard other sources saying which was that celebrate had a system that used hardware Uh, and celebrate has apparently not been used according to these sources The FBI has not said itself who did it and it has not said if it will disclose the flaw to apple In a related story, uh senators richard burr and diane feinstein issued a formal draft of their bill That we've talked about on dts before this is the one that would require tech companies To have a way to decrypt any product that they provide encryption for the senators are seeking feedback on this first draft Now the new draft narrows a little bit since the one we saw previously It only applies to crimes that cause serious injuries drug offenses Crimes with child victims or foreign intelligence gathering Uh, any idea what they paid that's the only part they don't talk about and I would love to know Do you have a guess you mean the senators? How much were they paid? Or do you mean the fbi? How much did they pay these? Now that you say that the conspiracy widens, but i'm just wondering what do you think either one is a valid question Like a flat fee. What is flat fee in their world? I don't uh, yeah And and and to be honest this is you know for people unfamiliar. This is a very common practice There are many agencies out there some of them called gray hat hackers where they do malicious hacking But they don't release it openly to the public They sell it mostly to governments for this very type of thing for intelligence gathering Uh, so it may have been gray hat hackers. It may have been white hat hackers There are other security firms who who find these sorts of things and then make them available on an up and up basis Those white hat hackers usually also tell the manufacturer and obviously apple is not saying that they've been told in this case so It is not this this particular situation is one that I would have expected to have happened before the case Which is why a lot of people think this was the fbi being political and trying to create A precedent here because there are lots of above board security researchers that engage in this sort of business I like the white hat ones uh in related device news not really related But other device news the kindle oasis is now available as the accidentally published team all page said That's still up there now. We're actually got re put up there. I guess it has a 300 PPI screen and a battery cover that attaches magnetically Also, notice has a little left side or right side depending on your orientation a little thicker for you to hold it It's 30 thinner though than previous kindles and adds 20 lighter weight with its battery cover You turn pages by tapping the screen not the side My current paper white works. It's available in red brown black covers and starts at 289 today ships on april 27th And that now makes it the most expensive e-reader Or e ink reader on the market. Yeah. Yeah, it's the most expensive they've had In a while. I think uh, you know the original kindle was out for $399 if if I remember correctly Yeah, 399 back in 2007 But this is this is the priciest one in a bit and That's that led scott and I to start talking about how we use e-readers and why people are using a single purpose device at all What would make amazon think this is a good idea? In a world where tablet sales are declining. We're going to talk about that in our discussion section Google calendar has added an option called goal to the ad menu You choose how often you want to do a goal and the best time slots If you miss a goal the calendar will defer it to another day so that you don't fall behind And it can actually automatically reschedule if you have to put an appointment or something in the same time slot It will learn what the best times are the more you use it drawing out slowly right now to ios and android I would like it if they would also roll it out to the ipad pro that would be well Uh, well, it's rolling out to ios So it's a fun that they the calendar ios calendar app from google is right now phone only so yeah Well, I guess that's what i'm saying is you can 2x that portrait Calendar will like I do Actually what I do you're right. It's it's not an optimal situation. Yeah, it's a fantastic app though I will say that and uh, I use I use the uh Google calendar mobile apps, but I rely more often on the desktop app They just put reminders available on the desktop I don't like this trend of putting things on mobile and not on desktop at the same time because I don't want to use this I mean, I'd like to use this. I'd like to try it out and see if it works for me It's basically a preemptible appointment That'll automatically reschedule itself and there's a class of things that that fit that for me But i'm not going to use it if i'm not going to see it on my desktop Yeah, I needed if it's going to be A thing that they want me to use all the time it needs to be across my devices whatever those devices may be So maybe they'll catch it up. I hope so GoPro has hired Daniel coster as its vice president of design and head of the hardware team It's kind of a big deal coster previously worked on apple's design team and received credit in patents For the iphone 4 the ipad wireless keyboard among 500 total design patents big hire for gopro. So nice job He's a new zealander too. Just uh, so you know big ups to new zealand uh for this and uh, works closely with johnny i've he's been in that little white box. I assume That johnny i've lived in so this is a rather significant departure For apple i'm not sure what it means people do leave apple and go take other jobs Uh, but it's one of the insiders on design and design is what apple has definitely made its name on or Google launched preview two of android n wednesday at developer dot android.com slash preview It adds the vulcan 3d rendering api that gives you low overhead gpu control Launcher shortcuts. I think you get up to five per app and they can take you to a specific point within an app So for instance for calendar you could have it point directly to the adding an appointment Screen rather than just launching the calendar and also emoji unicode 9 support That's the one that adds the more human looking emojis. I just want to point out that there's a sentence in this particular um part of the show that sounds like Star Trek techno babble, and I'd like to read it again. Here it is It adds the vulcan 3d rendering api for low overhead gpu control Reverse the polarity scott exactly and I freaking love it We are now getting to a future where we're talking like star trek people and I am fine with it Snapchat now lets users and as they have lately let us do all kinds of new things They're letting users attach emoji stickers to faces or objects in the video So let's say you're walking around and you want that door to have a face on it when the door opens The face moves with it as if it was attached to it kind of ar style Well, that's what you're going to get They will rotate scale and move automatically with the objects objects position in the video to access this feature You tap the sticker button position the sticker and then long press to stick it to a person or a thing The update rolls out today for android and the ios version coming soon once again snapchat proving They have the best time wasters on social apps ever. Yeah, seriously I follow grace helbig on snapchat Because I think she's hilarious and talented but also now because she is the one that introduces me to every filter Any of those things that put puppy dog ears on you or make your face look like an alien I always know what the latest filters are and they're they're they're entertaining to watch And so this is just another little toy that snapchat is adding there It's not chat not the first one to do toys like this But it is I think there was a study out today It is now the most popular social network as expressed by the opinions of surveyed teens This is not based on usage, but just like what do you like the best? They say snapchat. So it's the hot new thing. Yep Facebook's connectivity lab announced some technologies. It has been developing to improve connectivity Two of them in particular Terra graph is a 60 gigahertz multi node wireless array focused on bringing high speed internet connectivity to dense urban areas Now it's a little counterintuitive. It uses y gig in the 60 gigahertz spectrum and some data processing on the back end Those are very directional Signals and they don't go through walls But the way they use the array the way they use the data processing on the back end allows them to give 100 Percent street level coverage of gigabit wi-fi and it does have to be converted to what to wi-fi at some point pilot projects coming to san jose later this year and then Project aries which stands for antenna radio integration for efficiency in spectrum Is built for well energy and spectral efficiency as you might have guessed for wireless connections over long distances The idea here would be Put the antenna in an urban area where it can get a good backhaul connection wired and then broadcast it out into the rural area Facebook calls it massive MIMO Facebook also hired Regina Dugan away from google's advanced technology and projects group That's the group that does project aura The the it's basically the motorola research division project tango is out of that group She will now work on hardware with facebook's new research and development effort to be called building eight Building eight. It's like area 51, but building for f8 You know the one key it never used on your keyboards Anyway, good luck our efforts coming out of facebook particularly not just oculus. Yeah, all that's the news yesterday and all the zuckerberg talk Got me wondering about what we'd see and how quickly on the hardware front and boom big huge hire This could mean something it could mean nothing much, but I have a feeling it's a big deal So it's similar to the story earlier about apple It is a significant loss for google here. She was the person that was the visionary at atap And if you recall atap was taken was kept when they sold off the rest of motorola and it was not rolled into google x Yeah So from a sideline perspective, it just feels like facebook has got some crazy momentum right now even if even if it's just our perception You're falling for the zuckerberg Yeah, his little field. It's not a it's not insignificant like he's he's making an impact I think it changed for me when they bought oculus and it's kind of gotten better sense And I really don't even like facebook that much, but the trick is working Uh mobile syrup my favorite syrup reports logitech has acquired fitness wearables and bluetooth audio company jay bird This was for 50 million dollars in cash with the potential for an additional payout of 45 million if it meets Quote achievement and growth targets over the next two years Unquote jay bird was founded by jud armstrong in 2006 six who plans to stay with the company for the immediate future jay bird Makes the popular blue buds x headphones Uh, always wondered when when uh the folks over at logitech would either branch out into more of the wearable space Or acquire somebody and the latter seems to have happened Uh, yeah and mobile syrup by the way, uh credit where credit is due good canadian blog there But the jay bird I believe is based in salt lake city That was the utah connection you were talking about before this. I had no idea We have a lot of listen right now a little bit of a resurgence We had our kind of novell word perfect days way back in the day Things are coming up roses man You got all these cloud companies and stuff coming out of salt lake and now jay bird The next the universe is next or something and next the universe Uh, but yeah interesting interesting acquisition Everybody wants to get into wearables and and a lot of people pointing out that jay bird's most popular products are just headphones Which are are certainly technically wearables because you wear headphones Uh, but they're not exactly what wearables talk about but they do have a a fitness tracker So yeah makes sense like you said for logitech to get into that space That was also my uh, my my little league baseball team name is the jay birds the jay birds sound like that Yeah, uh free booting is what they call it on facebook when you steal someone's video and put it up and claim it to be your own I believe it's just called piracy on youtube But it's got a cool name on facebook and tuesday facebook launched rights manager That is basically their version of youtube's content id Facebook page admins can upload video. They wish to claim as their own They don't have to publish it. They can just put it up there and say we want to make sure that if anybody puts this up We control it If the new rights manager finds a video that matches uploaded video Then you can either just have a notification sent to the page saying hey, this isn't your video You need to take it down or you can have it automatically reported as a violation and marked for deletion Uh, you can also make white lists if you want to say, oh, well this page over here can can post it We have a deal with them. That's okay For now content owners must apply to join it. It's sort of in the beta stage And then they can get access to either the dashboard if they're a larger publisher and api that they can implement themselves there is no option to monetize The content on someone else's page Largely because facebook doesn't do a lot of video monetization right now, but that may change in the future Yeah, also, I'm sure we'll never have any false positives. Oh, I can't wait Yeah, because content id is just a dream. Uh, it never has pulled down several versions of my shows accidentally Sometimes because I owned both copies on two different channels. Oh, yeah I've never had a video pulled down because of music that was actually written for me Using it's never happened before it's a utopian society. We live in uh Google is releasing a version of its own open source machine learning software a tensor flow that can run across multiple machines up to several hundred at a time Uh, that is great news And also kind of a it reminded me of a it's like legal zombification of of computers It's like what hackers do except this is their awesome thing running up by your permission on lots of machines And it's and it sounds good. So yeah when tensor flow came out limited to one machine We said, well, you know, it's not exactly useful But if you want to do some research, it's it's still helpful to have it open source This makes it incredibly useful. You can actually have your implementation Work across a bunch of machines and get smarter. Uh, so it helps in practice not just in research Nice Uh, this one goes out to my friend dug the union organizer the communication workers of america and the international brotherhood of electrical workers called a strike of 36 000 workers against Verizon Wednesday morning after 10 months of negotiations broke down Verizon will use non union workers to perform repairs network maintenance and customer service The dispute is over the movement of jobs either to contractors or outside the country all together Uh, and therefore the closing of call centers and some long assignments away from home Sometimes a couple of months away from your family Verizon wants a federal mediator, but the unions do not It's the largest strike in the united states since 45 000 Verizon workers walked out in 2011 No scabs or whatever. Is that still a thing scabs? Yeah. Oh, yeah Well, if you're a union worker the people who are non union that replace you are scabs If you are Verizon, they are Loyal contracted employees The usb implementers forum I almost said that wrong announced a new protocol to announce a device from faulty usb faulty usb-c cables. This has been a lot of conversation lately About these bad cables host devices can now verify a charger device cable or power source Is certified by the usb i f 128 bit encrypted information is transmitted before data or power connections are established This asserts that the thing is fine. It's not going to burn up your device Devices will need to add support through software updates and cables made before the protocol was introduced will need to be replaced This is one of those constant problems when you when you add things to standards Which is all the cables out there that are compliant But didn't get made to send the flag that says they're compliant won't show up as compliant So there's going to be some exception handling and and they gave latitude to do that If you're in an enterprise for instance, you can actually create software that will do this You don't have to wait on the device manufacturers to update firmware and you can do things like say Give a warning that this doesn't have compliance just in case the person's like no no I know this is okay. It's just an old cable. It's not a bad cable tiny side note I went to china once on behalf of the company i worked for that made computer cables That was our entire business and towards some factories in southern china And it was all about standards compliance and we were there for various reasons that had to do with that kind of stuff And it's no small thing for big production that the cables themselves are cheap You know you're talking about a cable even in its best case might cost a dollar to manufacture and sell it for 20 at walmart But even even in those circumstances where it's relatively cheap a big standard shift is a big big deal on the ground So, uh, yeah, when they say things like this where it's like, oh, I've got to replace my cable It's another four bucks out of my pocket of mono price. But really it's a huge deal over there And uh, yeah, we'll see if it goes smoothly. I hope it does Yeah, thanks to another j martin philip shane sp Sheridan and all those who submitted things we used from our subreddit Get in there and vote do some vote and do some rank and do some submitting at daily tech news show dot reddit.com And that's a look at the headlines Okay amazon released its most expensive e-reader in years mentioned that earlier And they say people still want these devices neil lindsay vice president of amazon kindle said to the next web quote The purpose of the kindle is to let you get lost in your reading without getting distracted by constant notifications Or the web and we think the new kindle oasis will do just that All right, uh, this flies in the face of the decline of pda's the decline of mp3 players decline of gps trackers Now those things have not well pda's have pretty much gone away mp3 players and gps trackers still have their niches And people still buy them and use them, but they're very small Why would amazon Decide to put out not only a new updated e-reader, but a more expensive e-reader I mean we don't see big advances in mp3 players anymore. What's this about scott? Well to not to mirror exactly What neil lindsay said, but i agree with him wholeheartedly There's something about a dedicated device to reading that i think still works for a lot of people and despite A a drop in sales in any one category I don't know that that represents Something drastic or pretends that you know pretends that the future is going to be a rough time for e-readers necessarily Time will tell but i i believe that a standalone device and a lot of this is going to come from my own my own use case all right i used a tablet for a long time to read and I stopped doing that not because it was eyestrain not because the glare in the sun or any of those other There's some other advantages from a technical standpoint to an to an e-reader But the main reason i stopped is because i would get distracted be it from notifications, which yes You can turn off but again if i just want to sit down and read the thing I'm not necessarily thinking about all the stuff i need to turn off or or mute So i get a text from somebody answer that get a slack from somebody got to go answer that And what it was doing in this very personal solitary thing that you do when you read It's perhaps one of the most personal kinds of of media consumption mankind's ever had It's you it's your eyeballs It's a bunch of words and the only way to really make that social is to read it out loud or record it So that personal experience which needs nice under uninterrupted Focus is best accomplished. I think with a dedicated device It isn't to say I couldn't just reach my pocket and pull my phone out or be distracted by the tv in the other room Or you know, I don't want to make it sound like i'm suddenly in a vacuum when I read on my e-reader But I can tell that my attention stays on the content stays on the book i'm focused on Let's me set aside specific time for it so that I can have just me and it And not have to worry about a bunch of banners not have to click on a notification Not worry about battery life for the most part because these battery lives are awesome um And then the other thing of I can see it in the sun or my you know batteries lasting longer or whatever so for for me It's the one use case that makes sense if it was gps couldn't agree with you more It makes no sense to have a singular gps device because basically that's just like having uh, I don't know It's like having a a tire with no car to go with it. You may as well just put it on the car So put it in there integrate that kind of functionality makes perfect sense to me Texting web use all those other uh use cases. I don't think they need dedicated platforms You don't need dedicated platforms for reading obviously a lot of people don't you may argue that you don't for me It makes it so that my nine dollar purchase is well spent that I give it real focus And I don't treat it like Uh a tweet or a passing post on facebook or something that doesn't require my focus So that's my that's the if I'm just standing court and tell you why that's why Uh, your honor recognizes the next uh litigants in the uh the e-reader. Yeah, because As we were talking about before the show I haven't bought an e-ink reader since the first kindle Uh, and I loved it. I thought it was great. Uh, even back then when it was super ugly I thought it was great and the reason for that is I started reading on tablets Once the ipad came out. I was like, well, I don't really need a kindle now You know, I say I haven't brought one since the first kindle. I probably did buy a second one I know I lean did But yeah, I don't I don't want to carry a second device and what's happened is I read on my phone now I used to think that was crazy, but the phone screens have gotten bigger Uh, of course if you buy an amazon kindle, it syncs your place across the various devices So it doesn't matter which device you have it liberates you from that And if I lean goes into sephora to look around and I don't happen to need to buy my base that day I just sit down outside Look at my phone and start reading the kindle now here is why I think we have a difference because The distraction element is is a real one and I can absolutely empathize with that I Don't turn on a lot of notifications. I when I notice something constantly notifying me on my phone. I turn it off I'm like, I'm tired of that Recent example, I used to have bbc news app notify me for breaking news and it used to only notify me In huge news cases, right? So something like the, uh, you know, the the mass Terrorists attack somewhere or or you know, the russia invading and annexing cremia big stuff like that lately it has started to Notify you on smaller news not not news that isn't bad or isn't good, but like The imf rule that a brexit, uh, would would be bad. I'm like, that's that's not big breaking news So I turned it off. I was like, that's it. I turned it off and because of that I don't get as many of those distractions When I'm reading my kindle the other thing scott that I think is funny is aside from sitting outside of sephora The other time I read is in the evening and I have do not disturb set to automatically turn on at 10 o'clock at night Which is usually when I sit down and start reading so I don't get any notifications During that point either. Well, I'm gonna admit something here that I planned on admitting the entire time before the lead up to this episode and that's this While I I stand by all my what I just said But a big part of this is that you are really good at this You are really good at saying no, this is time for this. This is when vacation is this is when this time is for that You're very good at segmenting your time Appropriately to maximize both Productivity and for you need to turn your brain off or we need to focus like it's something I admire about you For if we're to get personal here at all I am terrible at this I am terrible at shutting my brain off and there's something about the ritual like it used to be with a paperback Of taking a thing that is only for the one thing Taking it into the hot tub or taking it outside on the hammock or sitting down on a bench or whatever it is And dedicating some time to just this activity For for me helps me now. I don't know how many of me's there are out there probably a fair amount and they're probably more of you and When I saw this e-reader I got kind of excited because I thought that's cool Since it's the thing I like I'm interested in fancy new stuff thinner longer battery all the things that matter to us when we're upgrading our devices But I also can see the point of view that You know at some point we're going to have such integrated devices I it wouldn't surprise me at all. Let's let's put it this way wouldn't surprise me at all if in a couple of years A new version of a tablet an android or ios tablet or whoever's in that market then We'll have some way of making the screen turn into an e-ink display or at least mimicking that in a way That the whole sunlight problem goes away the battery stuff goes away Like it sounds even almost sounds like something tim cook would get up and tell us about So so we may be coming toward a time where that's a thing and I hit a button in that book that says Turn everything else off. I'm going to read right now and all the other benefits are there Then I'm in I'm totally in on your point of view to totally get it But for right now it actually acts as kind of a catalyst for me to pull away from The billions of other things I need to think about and focus on my book Yeah You can actually You know still take advantage of the whisper sink on amazon kindle Even if you're using a kindle at home, so you don't have to carry the kindle with you everywhere You could I could still Read on my phone when I'm sitting on a bench in the mall, but use a paper white or use the oasis When when I'm at home take it on vacation with me might be nicer to take to a beach I don't worry. I have to put my phone in a plastic bag because I'm worried about sand and water Although I guess I'd put the kindle in a plastic bag So I guess I'm not sure that that gives you much of an advantage But it's interesting philip shane in the chat room said that when he doesn't want to be distracted He reaches for a paper book And there was that study we talked about last year That a lot of younger demographics prefer printed books And I think it's that same reason. They're like the battery never goes down I don't get a bunch of notifications. I can just get lost in the book so Right now if you look at the I went and looked at some numbers in the publishing industry And the upshot is ebook sales Maybe down maybe up it depends on how you count them The big publishers are saying ebook sales are falling a little while print sales are doing well But they also started charging more for their ebooks recently And it doesn't count independent publishers which are huge on amazon You can you can publish through the kindle direct program There's all kinds of self publishing that allows you to do ebooks And there's a site called author earnings.com That says then the market share for independent authors and ebooks is skyrocketing because of that So maybe ebooks are more popular. Maybe they're less popular That's hard to tell the one thing we can say for sure global e-reader shipments have peaked in 2012 at 40 million And they declined to 20.2 million last year in 2015 but Tablet sales are also down too And when you buy an e-reader scott, you The battery lasts a long time. You can use it for years. You don't have to continually replace it So it kind of makes sense that that market would mature quickly even more quickly than tablets in general and start declining So so in the end I I can't say that print is winning I can't say that e-readers are dying It does seem just anecdotally based on our conversation And what's the folks in the chat room are saying is this is a more diverse section of media Than was disrupted in say music or television. Sure. I I will admit to One thing at the bottom of this that's a bit of a bias for me. I have an 18 year old daughter Who just last week bought a typewriter She also went and found my old walkman has been listening to all my old tapes my hui luis tapes Uh, she thinks tapes are amazing and So I can't I cannot speak to what young people want because I think they're all being a bunch of hipsters. That's number one Number two is I I actually I kind of agree with the data If you go grab a paperback book like the chat room suggests and you sit down with it That's the effect i'm talking about and because i'm such a device nerd The kindle's the closest I get to that without having to go back to paper. I actually can't stand doing paper now I love the backlit. I love all the advantages of it I can deal with the downsides, but it provides me with that exclusive experience It's not you know, no book is there for any other reason to be what's on its pages And that's how I feel about the kindle the only distraction is which book am I going to read today? Yeah Like this one should I read another one but beyond that it's the same the same impact So I'd be very curious about the feedback you get this week from people about their use cases Yeah, let us know what your use case is We'd be curious to know a feedback at daily tech news show dot com And and we we haven't really talked about audiobooks. So don't write in and say you guys forgot audio That's because that's that's another dimension of this And probably affects the kind of books that I read because I do listen to a lot of audiobooks as well Yeah, and audiobooks are great. I just lose focus So I don't do them as often as I do written ones and guess what that just makes me one of these many demographics You're describing so I am guessing you're gonna have way more diverse response on this than than we might think Let's get to our pick of the day from carl Diamond club carl Listener pick particularly for you scott in episode 27 29 scott was asking about some of the details of the undersea cable laying process Well, the atnt tech channel on youtube has both modern videos and also clips from the old bell system archives One of those videos is a short documentary on the cs long lines a cable laying ship Cable being laid has advanced from coax then to fiber today, but the basics are still the same And he's got a diamond club short link for us yolo 420.com slash cable swag. That's awesome I want to go look at that That's I love that kind of stuff and I'm very curious about how they used to do the old stuff mostly I mean today. I'm sure it's extremely safe and totally cool and you know Easy in comparison but back in the day what it meant for For hearty men to get some cable at the bottom of the ocean is fascinating It's here just riding on the edge of a metaphor there. I'm sure of some sort Uh, but thank you carl send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks few messages here today Wes in gnome texas No g spelled n o m e like the alaskan gnome Uh says I really enjoyed the show about non gaming uses of vr and ar in addition to the ones you guys brought up I've been thinking of one archiving Can you imagine what it would have been like if we could have had the technology when the Beatles played at Shea Stadium or martin luther king jr. Gave his speech on the washington mall I know we can't recapture them now, but vr and ar could revolutionize recorded history going forward the implications of such an advancement Span the entire gamut of categories. It would enhance educational resources preserve the world's wonders both natural and manmade My children could visit stonehenge petra taj mahal in their history class in fact Cardboard and gear vr both have efforts to bring those sorts of things to the classrooms right now Wes says in my mind the possibilities continue to stretch the more I think about them. Yeah, I could I could not agree more I think this is the thing i'm most excited about is not just the archival benefits Which I hadn't really given that much thought to but just the idea of bringing places to you that you would never Otherwise be able to get to and we will from here forward have 360 degree video 3d video of events and occurrences and probably this year's Presidential inauguration and a million things moving forward that we would never have before and the hope is that Along with all our two-dimensional archiving. We're we're smart about that We keep it all safe and when the zombies come it somehow kept in a bunker or whatever. Well, and I remember thinking When I was younger like in the early 80s late 70s like wow We now can record everything on video all those things that happened before the the 40s You know, we'll never be able to get but everything will be recorded. It's that same sense It's just and then it became everything will be color and then it became everything will be high def And now it's going to be everything is is 360 degree or pi rster idiot or whatever you want to call it Uh, but yeah, I I would love To be able and I'm sure you could simulate it, but I would love to be able to see real video of You know a street in new york in 1942 even just a simple street corner But if you want to go crazy and say well, wouldn't it be nice to be at martin luther king jr's speech at the lincoln memorial But not just see him talking. We have that But but be able to turn around in real time while he's speaking Yeah, directional see the little girl behind you who's just enraptured by his speech Or or look over here and see a group of people who are you know cheering or whatever it is Like all of that is so interesting to me and there's two things that's going to happen This is what I would just add to his his desire and that is we can document the things that we can moving forward But we can also start to see recreations of the things Can't and that's equally as interesting to me from an educational standpoint or even from this archival historical standpoint We can accurately recreate major events jfk's assassination being a you know, maybe a little on the dark side Finally, we can determine what really happened Uh, yeah, no, absolutely. There was a there was a recent effort That's really impressive and I wish I could remember the artist But he took pictures that were taken in I think the early 1900s And animated them and and used some algorithms to provide natural motion like you would use in video games So that he brought street scenes from the 1900s to life We'd see the horses going down the street and people walking across and bustling around It was amazing and I I'm sure we'll be able to do similar things with virtual reality I'm already my body is ready Linda wrote in with a great article from bloomberg. We'll have the link in the show. It's I highly recommend you read it About an effort to take coal miners in the appellations Who are out of work because the price of coal has been diving and teach them to code Uh, this isn't taking somebody who's just you know worked with a hammer all their life You're talking about people who had to calculate part particle velocity And and and figure out whether you know what the Outcome of an explosion was going to be These are smart folks who've been coal mining their whole life Teaching them to code is is apparently a very natural step over for a lot of them Uh, there's an interview with one in this article who's like, yeah, okay This is this a little cleaner a little less sweat But it's a lot of the same kinds of calculations and thinking that I was doing And I'm coding and and so they're they're building up Places that do coding in eastern Kentucky And parts of west virginia And and trying to provide and these some of these people starting these companies are not carpet baggers from california They're they're people who used to run Engineering firms that supported coal mining outfits who they are they've lost business as well And now they're converting that engineering into code bases and companies as well. It's really fascinating Anyway, thank you linda for sending this along. Yeah, really cool Finally, allison shared it right before the show Sent this email to to me roger and brian, and I hope it's okay to read it We were mentioning yesterday about accessibility on ios and brian was like I I I know the accessibility on ios I don't know it on android now wonder how it compares Allison follows this very closely. She says android's definitely is still behind But because of the open nature of android the tools being built by third parties are really getting interesting At the cs un persons with disabilities expo two weeks ago We saw some cool stuff One was an overlay for android from sesame that let me in less than five minutes learn how to operate the phone By only moving my head And for very small distances now there was a phone out of the check republic for the visually impaired and elderly That showed them only words in really big type So you'd swipe between major functions like phone versus calendar without all those little icons to understand And she's got a link to pod feet dot com her blog with an episode Where they did an interview with sesame to show her learning to use the iphone with uh or learning to use the phone I guess it was an android phone with her head movement So go check that out as well pod feet dot com look for cs un 2016 sesame phone or we'll have a link in the show Notes as well very cool And that is it for this show. 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It all the time fact when I when I awkwardly smacked into my microphone during the show today I was immediately Titles Titles title Top is frm facebook rights management gray is a new hat Uh Sorry, see now I got whatever you got except I'm sneezing got it through the internet Fbi punishes apple with 50 shades of gray hat Uh amazon searches for a tablet oasis The thinnest GoPro we've ever made Vulcans find it illogical to not render 3d Building 8 is where facebook keeps all the alien and then parentheses where That parentheses ellipses Rackets No parentheses Legal zombification of computers agents of aries aries being initialized Um agents of aries It's not bad The tennessee valley coding authority See snapchat wants you to stick it There's one that says x uh checkbox and this is utah connection Google tries to score a goal Freedom contractors Oh, they're doing like goal. They're right right. All right. It's a mistake Well, I pay hackers when you can force apples hand for free There are very few tablet ones or e-reader ones e-reader ones. Yeah, what do you guys like? I don't know Um add amazon dedicated device Oh That's clever because that's kind of central to the point. Yeah that we were making I just saw that it's from shane I like it, but I don't know. You're a word smith shane. Yeah shane the word smith. I like it That one's pretty good. It goes directly to the point of it Yeah, and is funny and pithy. Yeah, it's all the things It's everything we need and more It's not the title we wanted but it was the title we needed That's the title you're getting All right, I'm so excited. I'm gonna go grocery shopping today No, it's a weekly weekly thing I actually enjoy grocery shopping What do you uh, what's your do you have a you have a Pattern that you follow every time you go like is it a I don't know Special story like that kind of thing. Uh, these days I pretty much go to Ralph's Uh, it's not a big Lebowski thing. It's just uh Happens to be a Ralph's. I don't go to the closest Ralph's either. There's one a little farther down For me that has a bigger selection And cheaper prices than Whole Foods or Trader Joe's even. Oh, well, I like this down to Ralph's Yeah, you know, that's funny. I actually stopped going to Trader Joe's like I I go On the rare occasion, but I don't go out of my way to go to Trader Joe's Yeah, I we go to Trader Joe's when we need something in particular or when we go to the arc light in Culver City There's a Trader Joe's right next to there. Sometimes we'll go then but Trader Joe's guy's got a new A new store coming out. I don't know if you heard about that. It's um It's it's supposed to be like Whole Foods except not like a fraction of the cost But they want to focus on so like to do to Whole Foods what Trader Joe's did two other grocery stores Basically, yeah, like they want to pull the rug out from that a bit, which is interesting I feel like Trader Joe's is close to that already So i'm not sure how different that would be. Well, they're they would have to get on the game in terms of uh produce Yeah, and for sure probably Getting more so this is the one thing Trader Joe's doesn't do as well as Whole Foods And that is having an in-house bakery slash Place where they make food hot food ready available for customers Big Jim says I go Krogering And I I just wanted to point out and I did in the chat room Ralph's is Kroger It's just called Ralph's the Kroger. Yeah Kroger owns everything now seems like yeah We have like the generic stuff on the shelf is Kroger brand And Ralph's tried us to pretend like it's their in-house brand Kroger and I'm like no this is Kroger Do you have Ralph's stuff on the Kroger shelves and other stores? What's our in-house brand Ralph? You guys have a there's a little hippie sounding me. Do you have one out there called sprouts by chance? Yeah, uh, there's some sprouts around in fact, uh sprouts opened up near Jango and Sawyer's old Day day pet running place in Petaluma. Yeah, I like them. You have one right near us and it's pretty good We don't have any near us They are around though, you know, there's one in Ceremonty now Oh There's uh, did you guys ever get the fresh and easy? No, it was They wanted to broaden out in the u.s. Market. This is one of the weird things about British and American companies trying to cross over The Atlantic and trying to open it towards their respective cuts. They never really work Like like some of them do but for majority of them Aldi Aldi was big in southern Illinois when I was growing up and I did not know until later that it was a german chain Well, they own Trader Joe's they actually bought the original Trader Joe's back in the late 60s And that's the family chain that runs everything. Oh, it is all that german. Yeah My grandma used to drive there were we had iga super value and kroger in my hometown My grandma would drive 20 15 miles 15 20 miles to the next town to go to Aldi because she just thought it was much better Yeah Well, you always have your favorites We're big on hermans here. We have a lot of hermans We have we have vans, which is basically a safe way And then we have albertsons And actually no albertsons got bought up. It's now called hudge hudgens or something Oh, we send albertsons too and they're not here anymore. I wonder if they just Oh, maybe maybe they're new too here. Maybe they have a different name now And gelsons shane likes gelsons You ever been to a pigley wiggly? Oh pigley wiggly We used to that used to be our store and then it got bought or it got in greenville It got taken over by super value or switched to become a superpower Yeah, I've been in the one piggy pigley wiggly in mississippi and it was awesome. Love pigley wiggly. That's great In fact, that's so funny like growing up. We only went to pigley wiggly until it became super value And then we slowly started going to iga more often. Yeah the conglomeration of uh Supermarkets no more mom never really went to kroger munch growing In supermarkets are a thin margin business those unless you're willing to to do loss leaders and stuff. I mean I mean, that's why you bleed so much money out of those things wasn't that why Target and Walmart can get I mean they have their super targets in super walmarts because It is a loss leader for them This is they they totally make it up and whatever else they sell you like Yeah delis and stuff Whatever may be there. Oh Hey about my project. I was gonna bring it up today and I forgot. Oh, what is it? So I ordered a a raspberry pi 3 um, and i'm going to build and program out A fully full-scale custom arcade cabinet Oh, that's right. That's right with the full blown, you know Emulation in it with this with the uh the raspberry pi which is like for me the biggest revelation was oh my gosh Why am I not doing that? It's got a 32 gig, you know sd card. It's all I'd ever need It's not like it's you know, I don't need a pc anymore to do this and um I'm gonna make it based on the cabinet that I didn't that I don't know if you remember the print I did called space murder. Did I ever show you that? Maybe I didn't It's not striking you right now It sounds rather gruesome Yeah, it does but it's not really I remember a print you did with an arcade cabinet in it Um, yes, that's you're probably thinking of the one because I think it's the only one I had and it's still up on the store but Basically, I want to recreate that uh That cabinet like cigarette marks on it and like A banged up side and a coke can like glued to the top or something I should get find it turn it um And uh And build the whole thing and then have it be a big functional thing And I think nick and I are gonna do it and we're gonna kind of chronicle it on youtube But it'd be a fun thing to talk about on the show when it when we get closer Oh, that's gonna be great. Nick's gonna do it with you. Yeah. What a great project. Yeah, he's stoked. He's beyond this He's out of his mind excited. Oh, here it is. I'll send it to you. Roger. You can see it too Many everybody's asking me now like did they have jewel in southern illinois? I'm like, nope That was a northern illinois thing first jewel. I ever went was a jewel oscoe and champagne Uh, and then big jim asked if we had food town when I don't know We had shop and save and deer bergs Not in greenville, but nearby I totally built an arcade cabinet for copper help way back when did you really Sit down cocktail. Well, like the cocktail one. Yeah, where did it end up? Does it sit still there somewhere? I think, uh One of the crew members took it home. Yeah the last day. We were all leaving the set. That was our last show I saw I looked around I saw him and someone else carrying out. It's like don't break it I might want it back someday That's amazing Yeah, could you even get it back? Do you remember? No, I have no idea. It passed out from his hands to someone else. Yeah Honestly, I it was more about putting it together than actually playing it Yeah, no for for me. It's almost it's the nostalgia of having a full-size cabinet And and designing and doing the all-yard myself like that's Remember when you're grown up they used to offer those contests in the cereal box like Like five lucky winners will get a full-size centipede arcade for their home And like oh, I wouldn't you were as a kid's like, oh, I want one of those I said I want one of those three or four thousand dollars new. So it was a pretty good pretty good thing Problem is when you get them your crt had like a lifespan of just a few years or something Well, you know, what was the uh the company and this is the thing about not having crt's anymore having them Essentially new builds outlawed. Is this impossible to get a replacement crt? So you have to make do with an lcd. Yeah, which is which is better for the environment It's lighter and easier on your eyes, but you don't get the same feel No, you don't have that weird diffusion on the edges. You don't get that the scan lines You don't get any of that. It's not giving you whatever cancer. It's giving you anymore Like it's just not the same But you can fake a lot of that really well now with emulation stuff and create like scan lines and you know low resolution and You can do some pretty cool stuff, you know, and this is this is what this is how spoiled We are is that the reason why it doesn't look so good is because the resolution is so sharp Compared to like the crt's from back then And so what you're complaining about is the fidelity of the equipment so high that it makes it shows you how crappy it was It's true to begin with Hey, thanks to scott who just bought pilot x on ink shares four minutes ago nice Also represents scott representing the scott's of the world. Yeah I haven't actually looked at this yet. Yeah, it's just the raspberry pirates. It's a straight up circuit board Oh, I gotta eat a controller board though. That's the only part I don't have because I got it Um joystick stuff I gotta go through all that crap So are you gonna or what are you what are you gonna use for the joystick? Are you gonna get some? I'm gonna buy some plungers and sticks and stuff But I don't I'm still kind of in the shopping mode for what's the best stuff to get or where to get it You want it? I mean if you're doing any fighting games or anything You definitely want to go with the stuff that they use for street fighter sticks Like the uh, what is that I used to I used to know all this because I was actually considering buying Like a like a fighting stick. Yeah, like I would build one. I was going to build one for uh I'm not tech cellos for the other show Um Let me see street fighter Stick maybe some of the chat room warden remembers what I'm talking about Amazon's got some pretty good stuff like well I don't know if it's good stuff, but they have a bunch of button and stick options Um, I need to ask around to just see who says is what's good because I have no idea Yeah, you want to get something well like for for like Japanese arcades like Sanwa parts Are generally Sanwa. Oh, yeah, I'm looking at those now. That's a good brain Yeah, and there's also like for example, they sell buttons that are They're not like American ones where the depressed are actually Convex instead of concave. Oh, so when you so when you play like street fighter You can just tap the buttons instead of having to put your entire finger On the button to get it to to punch. Oh, look at that Yeah, they uh, I'm interesting They've got some led ones too that are clear and will light up Based on color stuff you can program in the raspberry pi. I mean, there's a lot I could do here that It just depends on how dumb I think I am because I'm getting getting a good control down is critical because that will totally affect the feel Yeah, exactly Like, uh, what's up x arcade? I'd probably stay away from yeah, those guys that sell that Because I've used their sticks are fine, but they're not Yeah, that's in the world the uh Some looking at some buttons. There's some Sanwa has a DIY kit. It's got a joystick And the whole bunch of buttons. I wonder if this is a good deal Only 60 bucks. Oh and a control board too usb control board Yeah, this is so all this stuff is super foreign to me, but I want the challenge I want to like I want the electrical part. I'm excited. This is gonna be fun to watch Yeah, it'll be it'll be really neat like once you start I think one of the key parts is just Measuring out your layout for your buttons because if you're gonna do it like most people do where you Basically cut into a chunk of plywood and then you both are screwing the buttons and the controller Kind of figure out what the layout is for best for you Yeah, I think I'm going to look at like measurements on a lot of the classic games that matter to me the most And then just sort of adhere to that. I'd love to have a track ball in there But I don't know if I want to go that far This track balls were a big deal for like missile command and yeah, I'm getting stuff Anyway, well, listen, I'm out of the post. Thanks everybody for watching We're listening either one Yeah, either or that's got rest again. Yeah, I'm gonna go get some more honey and lemon and uh May you too have a great afternoon you too. Thank you