 अज़्ा बच्या अछ्चात। ञ्या अच्चात अच्चात। अचिक चब स्चों नहीं तुझ जब आप थुगई लिए स्शवें. तुँट, बवी रहाँ, ढुंँत पर रहा है. जी पही नहीं, ये खब यह थो तुट तुट, जा करूट। 2nd episode of 575 ounces. no symbols allowed. I am joined by Siddhanth Vanny and Reveba Raghunandan. We are going to be talking about the big controversy in the cricket world cup that surrounds former India captain Bahinder Singh Dhoni who was pulled up by the International Cricket Council for his symbol on the wicket keeping gloves osvikit keeping gloves and the symbol of Balidaden. And of course, it has now reached the BCCI and the BCCI has said that we are not going to ask Dhoni to remove it from his wicket keeping gloves. And thereby asked the ICC to amend their rules. The rule saying that in an ICC event, you cannot have a political or a religious statement anywhere on your clothing. So firstly, before we get into that is there a political or religious statement. It's definitely a statement, definitely. दूनी is an honorary lieutenant colonel in the parachute regiment and the badge that he is wearing on his gloves is essentially the insignia of the parachute regiment, what we call Paira Special Force, Paira SF now. In his wearing of this insignia, दूनी is clearly saying that I am in support of this particular branch of the Indian military and while the symbol itself may not represent any group in terms of a political sort of affiliation or any sort of political agenda as such, there is an underlying political or an underlying message I think in wearing this badge. We've had in the course of let's say the last 20-30 years a large number of sports people athletes from across disciplines that have come from various branches of the armed forces and paramilitary forces and police etc. I don't think I've seen any occasion in which any of those men have displayed their unit insignia, their regimental badges or anything of that sort. Of course, when they come back and they are facilitated by the army, then you are in uniform sometimes also whatever it is completely separate. But on the field of play, while the match is going on to wear something like this, it's similar to what we've seen several athletes do, whether it's somebody standing up with wearing a black glove or anything of that sort, so it's very clearly a statement to that extent. And then of course with the BCCI responding saying that this is not the end of the story. Because there is one thing that ICC said that brother is not in our rule. No, because you see the central governing authority for cricket across the world is the BCCI. Sorry, I'm not saying it correctly, BCCI. So they are going to determine what the ICC thinks. Right now, the ICC may think that we can get rid of it, but the larger point is that if the BCCI refuses, then the ICC will have to amend the rules. There is no other way for the marketing of the World Cup to soar if India pulls on. But how? Because in 2016 England had won the Poppy seed, which was in remembrance of the World War Poppy flower, in remembrance of the World War heroes of course. So that is not an ICC event. So that's why it was passed at the time. But it is of course overlooked by the ICC. Then of course India, Australia, the recent series where the team wore the caps, the military caps, the camouflage caps. Now that was also passed off because it was not an ICC event and it was done for a charity purpose and so on. But this ICC event and these rules are pretty clear. So this is not clear. How is the story progressing any further? Shouldn't it have just been ICC saying, this is the rule, you can't have any symbol. But that's not how it works. The ICC is not the governing authority of cricket in the world. So it's interesting and I have to find myself squarely on the fence because whatever the symbolism or whatever underlying motivation Dhoni had to wear this, I don't know. I don't know. What I find interesting is that here is someone who clearly knows the rules. Of course he didn't come day before yesterday, he's been around for a long time and these rules are pretty... I mean we don't play professional sport, we know that you can't do this kind of stuff. Yet he's gone out and done it. No one noticed it till after the fact. And this is not a game of 10-15 minutes, it's a game of 8 hours. So even during the match, it was possible that someone would have seen it or noticed it or at the same time this story would have stopped. It's like in football, if you are covering goals and you have taken off your shirt and something is written under your shirt, then you got a yellow card. So you are taking off your shirt and getting a yellow card. That's true. Earlier it was written that you are taking off your shirt and something is written under it. Political, religious or I love you. And I love you, whoever. Bathroom messages also. Bathroom messages also. I love you, yellow card. No seriously, that's a rule. So here is like someone from a particular team taking a stand against the global body. If someone did something like this against FIFA, we would all be like, Yay, it was fun. Somebody has finally shown some gumption. Exactly. So whenever these little bits of gorilla marketing happen at FIFA World Cups, everyone, it's a little bit of... ...maza, I guess. But the other thing is also, for example, I remember a couple of seasons back or perhaps it was the season before this, when Pep Guardiola had won a little symbol in a Manchester City game, asking which was basically the symbol for Catalan independence. And at that point of time the FA charged him. They fined him and charged him and told him to not wear it. And he accepted the fine and he wore it constantly while paying the fine. He said, these are my beliefs. आपको नहीं पसंद मैं पैसे देता हैं आपको खतंबा. So I would say that instead of the BCCI saying that, hey, you know what, ICC changed the rules. Here's some more money. Yes. But our boy is wearing it. He's wearing it? So this is the current condition that after the move the marketing is being carried on. It's not that the ICC is taking a stand for this... Sir, from where has marketing gotten done? Because actually this logo issue... If you have faith in it and take that as proof? No no. I'm not saying that from Dhoni's point of view. After all, they're coming from his gloves. From what I'm saying, the official standpoint is... प्रूएम हर्होगे ध्ैद मैं diagram alam polic. है आखर यख इंच्चा है? NOW wollen you put theうعم आखर everyone seeet runs with KAUNA x band आखर आखर 100 रोपे briye 100 jap ye 100 r årग अगर अगर आखर 100 रोपे video आ अगर Aakстрim । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । आद लोग आद है, वोगा ज़ोग करता है, पहँब नहीं सवरे लेए वो आद, आप नहीं अब ईद नहीं उनुज चानल इस दोंदी, तब आए ज़ोनि का चोली, बहई सब दन अदन था, सब नहीं चानल पर लग के देक लेख नहीं नहीं आद की आगर की आभावाई करनी � ओर पाट़ा दे कर बनास्छ्ञ्टाजरं आप दब अछ भीवंईडने ओवेगा खाम्गे काफिर, नहीं बनास्छ्टाजरं और था आप दने दब ईगेगं और वहाद। अजी प्रा नहीं, एक वर ज़र सकत्र कार के बारे में, ॐ . ौ made tweak Kya. मैं Pushna chaonga ki unka naam nil unka, ौleikan unni ek hain ki balli dhaan means sacrifice. ॐ the motto of the India Paraspecial Forces. ौ by getting MS Dhoni to remove the insignia from his gloves, ॐ you insult not just the Indian army, ौ but the spirit of sacrifice that's taken a fantastic human being like Dhoni ौ to the top of his game. ौ bhai yehe ... ौ me yhe ... ौ ौ onke ba rime to maith nahi kya na chauonga ौ ki unka juh defence yeh, ौ national security issues pe, ौ view point hai. उगर कब ताल बारने है.aneh pata naahi से अग 십ी आनकोन करोज़ behavior रवाया हु ता थीश्यें चर दीखात ज़ी सphr रवाया अब रहाँ नाज़े अदे लुआ में नहीं तो ंप आद दो रहे मुअ, it doesn't mean any. दन मे़ने केशरी थे� Ani keshri dekhidakhi 담 आप लों। Aap loon ne. वह गरी ज़ाई towards mein. आजा इह मैं गरी भी और ज़िट़ें उडिया। As it has nothing like it. रही मे़ने देखरे जब ख़िया। To stand out. आप लोग मेखग आप लीटी वो गीुन्फाँज़ latein sentry military uniforms. तो से, तो से भी दोी कुईम है. ठहां, लगना मेंगसा हूँ. यह दो थे का सब वलगे. बहुत बोत लगने करटाारी था. लगने वी तो कवावागंसा है? तो बहीं, हम दो बात लिए जमते नहीं. मैं, है, जो जी सब आप में करना वहुत. और ये एक बाद बस में केरे जाँगा दूनी जी को कि कितने आत मैच बच्छें गरूँप स्टेज के नहीं मतलप नहीं जबते ये बहार अगर नवाश श्वरोग रहा है। तो मतलप that's one opportunity. तो सर अगर अप देख रहा हैं। तो अगर नहीं आमी में बहुत सरे और लेजमेंसे हैं। तोडा उनको भी स्वरोग बड़ावा दीजे है। आमवद को अप लाइप वेर सम अदर बजजेंसे I think spread the love. Don't only stick to your unit loyalty. If you are doing this, then if you are watching 575, then it would be nice if you could actually put 575 also in your gloves once. That would be brilliant. I have one point here. Yet all over sports mein, loke political symbols ko kabhi kabhi dikhatein as a protest. Protesting against something or the other, right? Tab bhi hua hai. Yaha pe protest hai nahi. And that is the big problem, right? I don't know. I don't know. Exactly. No, but commemoration is fine. If it was a protest, then atleast, if it was a protest, then atleast, I would have understood what was going on. And rather wouldn't it make sense that MS Dhoni himself comes out and clarifies why he's got this. But even then, final thoughts, if the rules are stating, that if it is... Though the rules are pretty abet in this, political religious symbol you can't put. If this political religious symbol isn't there, then what's the problem? Who will decide? So I'm sure the BCCI's lawyers will make some sort of similar point on how far this thing extends. May I also just say, the problem with these sort of symbols and just putting these out is that after a certain while, it seems like it's more about displaying your affection than it is about the symbol itself. Like, I'll just give you a simple... Absolutely. Like, I'll give you a simple example of what had happened, you had mentioned earlier in the show that the England team had worn poppy flowers on Remembrance Day. So they'd done a photo shoot. And in that photo shoot, the entire team was sitting, they were all... they had their suits and the poppy on it. And more in early, poppy fell out. When the photo was shot, nobody noticed that his poppy had fallen off. And the photo went up onto their social media channels. And immediately, the abuse he got... First of all, it was just so coincidental that it was Moyn Ali whose poppy flower fell down and then immediately everyone just climbed on it. So this is what happens. Like, it becomes more about like, showing your... a display of symbolism rather than the symbol itself. Which is... Hey, I think for our viewers also I think everyone will know this. But... ... Every year, Armed Forces Flag Day happens. Like this poppy... By the way, poppy... First World War Remembrance we should remember it on the time of the war. Because our boys also went to fight in Europe. They had eaten poppy flower when they had gone for the bioclsey. Quite a... So Armed Forces Flag Day happens and all the money that is collected from the sale of those little chitas that you can put on your lapel goes to war widows and other families of service members in need. So do that man instead of wearing these badges on your foreheads and tattooing stuff on your... maybe, I don't know. Good point. Good point. Guys, by the way, let me tell you that we also took a lot of money. Just like this channel. Moving on to the cricket now. No, it's already been 17 minutes. But I think since it's been 17 minutes we should keep it for 20 minutes because it should be a round figure. So there are 3 minutes. You guys decide if you want to talk on ABD or on West Indies. One... Can we talk on West Indies? I am thinking let's talk on India. The first game we played what did you think? What was the assessment? I think it was fantastic. I like the bowling conversation. I like the bowling conversation. The game that we played and we were discussing of air as well. Our bowling game I would call it the best bowling attack in the world cup. Best bowling attack. And if you see in our bowling game there are 6-7 bowling games if you are counting Kedar, Jadav, 7-8 bowling games counting Jateja and Haridegh, yes. So we have 5 wicket taking options. Right? 5 wicket taking options is huge and 5 regular wicket takers just Preet Bhumra, Yusuf Endrij Jahl, Kuldeep Yadav, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Mohammad Shami who didn't even play the first game. And there was a lot of conversation about how perhaps Shami should have played that game rather than Bhovi. But the point being that these 4, the first 4 are very different. Absolutely. And these 4 who played against South Africa they since over the last since the last world cup to now they are ranked as the top in the top 15 bowlers in the world. And they have constantly over the last year they have been phenomenal. Kuldeep Yadav and Yusuf Endrij Jahl are just I mean even in conditions that perhaps may not suit them. They bring a variety which is completely different to someone like an off spinner or someone like Jateja who is basically a wicket to wicket bowler and may not actually take the wickets but he'll control the rest. But that's my point, you know here people feel it's because of the format. I love the format man. The format says that you won't win the world cup you have to win this world cup with 14-15 people. So I mean where Ravindra Jateja will go as a finger spinner there Ravindra Jateja will do something. He's a top top bowler top quality bowler but I he talked about Kuldeep Yadav and Yusuf Endrij Jahl which was a match against South Africa Kuldeep Yadav was playing first game I think 2-3 overs they played first with Yusuf Endrij Jahl Now see in that game he went to pitch well and then he told Jahl that in this pitch you have to put more revelations on the ball and this telepathy and this one to work with each other this experience comes from time comes from time he told him to do this and then he took the wicket who was the guy Vandu Rune Vandu Dustin Vandu Dustin he went to sweep he thought he was going out and he came straight away Shane one kind of delivery but just I think the only thing I would have done differently would have been to bowl him out like I think he had 3 overs left when he switched and brought the other spinner into the attack and at that point they were really on the ropes that's maybe the reading but as things stand Jahl is a bigger wicket taking threat than Kuldeep yeah right now that's also one more thing we've seen in this Indian team I can definitely see like I can see that in the next couple of matches Jadeja may get a Lokane instead but the format is such that the grounds are small some are big some are different getting Jadeja means that you are guaranteed 20 runs anyway not in the not in the batting but in the feeling yeah feeling it in the middle yeah I know but Bhumra will have to talk because it all starts with Bhumra Bhumra said you hear what Koli said that he is making the batsman rush we can see on the field now in any sport when a player is rushing into things it means you already put him into two minds right you have put him into two minds so he is already thinking what should I do so you already in his mind you already sort of won the first battle right you have won the first battle the player is thinking he will do he is guessing what will come and he is scared and on that sphere the player is taking two wickets in the first 10 overs and then he he said that because of what Bhumra did we guys can come on and then really attack the batsman because the batsman are not set they are fidgety and so they come and take the whole ful which is done by Bhumra because you know especially when the other team is batting first you know that India is fairly good at chasing so you know you have to put a big big total on the board so in any case you are under pressure and if your 5 overs in and you have got 10 overs on the board you have to do something even though you have 45 overs but that mental pressure comes especially for a team like South Africa and of course the scheduling and the timing of all that it's really great I think ICC is like this I don't know why they are fighting in Faltu anyway so they are under pressure matches have already been lost two pretty much the end of the I am talking about before the game so he really really set it up man and it's great to see I would say it's one day business let's play a test match World Cup right now test matches so bye test matches one year one year what else where do we have to go I just I don't mean to disrespect cricket but I just want to say that yesterday in the middle overs when Australia when the West Indies were batting I actually saw a football game that's the great thing about a one day match for example it has many stages it has many stages it has many stages and many stages you can do up to 1600 other things and still be fully engaged with the game that's the cool part I called cooked cooked everything has been done batting match is going on are you watching okay friends just finally ending it anyone close to India is bowling attack for you on a close second statistics may not justify this but as of now you can see please don't say Pakistan okay he said go on sorry go on no I was going I am going to say that Australia and England they are definitely closer to India than we think Australia I mean Mitchell Stark and Pat come in Mitchell Stark yeah and why are we talking about Australia and why are we talking about semi-final time they have done something they have done something they have done something they have done something Mitchell Stark what does it mean what does it do with the pin point precision and if you notice like I was just saying two crushes this is the kind of bowling attack rather like this we used to be bad at chasing remember like not too many years back but this is what a bowling attack does it gives you the confidence to say you know what abjagya batting and this is what a lot of teams are doing now suddenly this has become like the trend people would prefer to chase England prefers to chase even Morgan no matter what the conditions he is I think India are pretty much similar right I don't know I don't know how I don't watch that I think Kohl is slightly more based on the conditions let it on this by saying that someone wrote a piece yesterday he is a friend of yours as well he said that Jaspreet Bumrah is much more important to India than what Virat Kohli is purely because if Virat Kohli has an off day there are other people to you know stare the ship but if Bumrah has an off day then thodhi gadi ladh khad aegi what do you say hashtag no pressure hashtag no pressure guys thank you so much for joining us on another episode of 575 ounces if you did not enjoy what we said on this show then we leave you with a symbol to keep the peace between you and us peace out