 We're all set to go The chair knows time is 6 o 2 p.m. I call this meeting the Amherst zoning Board of Appeals to order My name is Steve judge. I'm ZDA chair. I want to welcome everyone to this meeting We'll begin with a roll call of the ZDA members and panel for tonight's meeting Steve judge is present mr. Phillip white present this hill the green bomb And Sarah Marsha here Quorum is present also attending the public hearing tonight is Mr.. Rob Wachella planner for the town pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 21 extended by the chapter 2 the acts of 2023 this meeting will be conducted via remote Members of the public who wish to observe the meeting may do so via zoom or by telephone No in-person Intendance of members of the public will be permitted But every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means The zoning Board of Appeals is a quasi judicial body that operates under the authority of chapter 48 of the general laws of the commonwealth for the purpose of promoting the health safety convenience and general welfare the inhabitants of the town of Amherst in accordance with provisions of Massachusetts general law chapter 40a in article 10 special permit granting authority of the Amherst zoning bylaw This public meeting has been do advertised and noticed thereof has been posted and mailed to parties at interest All hearings and meetings are open to the public and are recorded by a town staff and may be viewed via the town of Amherst YouTube channel and ZDA webpage The procedure is as follows The petitioner presents the application to the board during the hearing After which the board will ask questions for clarification or for additional information After the board has completed its questions the board will seek public input The public speaks with the permission of the chair if a member of the public wishes to speak They should so indicate by using the raised hand function on their screen or by pressing star 9 on their phone The chair with the assistance of the staff will call upon people wishing to speak When you are recognized Provide your name and address to the board for the record all questions and comments must be addressed to the board The board will normally hold public hearings where the information about the project and input from the public is gathered Followed by public meetings for each The public meeting portion is where the board deliberates and is generally not an opportunity for public comment If the board feels it has enough information and time it will decide upon the applications tonight Each petition heard by the board is distinct and evaluated on its own merits and the board is not ruled by precedent That tutorial for a special permit the board has 90 days from this close the hearing to file a decision For various the board has 100 days from the date of the filing of the variance to follow this decision No decision is final until the written decision is signed by the sitting member board members and is filed the town clerk's office Once the decision is filed with the town clerk There's a 20 day annual 20 day appeal period for an agreed party to contest the decision with a relevant judicial body in superior court After the peak after the appeal period the permit must be recorded with the registry of deeds to take effect tonight's agenda public hearing on ZBA FY 2024 dash 13 Joan O'Meara and Dan Wallach request for a special permit under section 5.0112 a of the zoning bylaw for an accessory dwelling unit ABU over 50 percent of habitable GS GSF of the principal structure and to extinguish ZBA FY 2008 2008 dash 0 9 for converted dwelling with a requested waiver from section 7.002 at 10 page Street map 11 map 11 C parcel 135 RG general residence zoning district ZBA FY 2024 dash 14 Vivian Addison and Eric and Allenton Eric Travis request for a special permit under section 5.0 112 a of the zoning bylaw for an accessory dwelling unit ABU over 50 percent of habitable GSF of the principal structure on Wildflower Drive and Amherst Woods map 21d parcel 7 are all outlying residents zoning district and ARP aquifer aquifer recharge protection overlay district ZBA FY 2024 dash 15 ton of Amherst request for a special permit under section 3.231 of the zoning bylaw to construct structures on the flood prone conservancy district including bridges boardwalks and at 191 West Pomeroy relaying former the former Hickory Ridge golf course map 19d parcel 10 RN neighborhood residents and FPC flood prone conservancy zoning districts and a public meeting on FA on ZBA FY 2019 dash 0 6 Antonio Marquez Diaz from Mexico, Mexico to satisfy condition 6 in which the new business owner shall present to the board for review and approval at a public meeting an Updated management plan and any other information necessary to confirm that the use is operating within the scope of the special permit The discuss following these items a general discussion from the public general comment period on matters not before the board tonight In other and after that other business not anticipated within the last 48 hours To begin do any members having disclosures. They wish to make for tonight's meetings If not the first order of business is a public hearing on ZBA FY 2024 Joan O'Meara and Dan Wallach request for a special permit under section 5.012 a of the zoning bylaw for accessory dwelling unit ADU over 50% of habitable GSF of the principal structure and to extend extinguish ZBA FY 20 or 2008 dash 0 9 for converted dwelling with a requested waiver from section 7.000 to a 10-page street map 11c partial parcel 135 Rg general residence zoning district I was not able to attend the site visit so Who would like to review the Maybe Rob you could head us up Give us a review of the site visit and then anybody else that would like to add me do so Sure. Thanks, Steve. I'm sorry, mr. Chair So basically it was myself miss green bomb and miss marshal who attended the site visit Both the applicants were home at the time and we did walk around The outside of the property we looked at the adu The owners Marked on the side where the addition is going to go with tape and I believe they also drew a marker marking type material on there to show the dimensions as well as where the roof line is going to go and where the overhang is going to kind of end on the roof so Site visit was quick I took a video and sent it to yourself mr. Judge and uh, mr. White for your review And that's pretty much it. Uh, miss green bomb miss marshal. Is there anything you wanted to add? Uh, i'm sorry. Go ahead hilda. No, I was just going to say I have nothing to add I would just add In case anyone's listening. There's already Maybe it's I get it. Maybe it's a converted dwelling and not in adu, but there already is an existing Second structure and they're proposing to add one small room One room to it so All right, I can add that that existing structure was a growing converted from a model t garage or model a garage built in the 1930s when I was built Thank you guys. I appreciate that Um The submissions that the board has received We've received applicant submissions um zba 2024-13 application form management form complaint response form site plans prepared by randall iser um, and standard lease agreement In addition, there are staff submissions zba 2008 2008 i'm having trouble with that 2000 seems so long ago Ha ha ha zba 2008-09 conditions and the building and foundation plans And also there's a requested waiver of 7.0002 Um With that there's no other there's no public comment that I haven't aware of is there rob It's not all right. We've lived here from the applicants Um, could you bring in the applicants rob? Sure. Let me uh, I see jono amir in attendance. So jone or dan whoever's controlling it. Please accept this Panelist invitation Just for the record. I want to note that rob mora building commissioner has joined the meeting as well Joan you're muted. How's that? Is that better? Yep. Now I hear yes And thank you all. Um, I appreciate your time and energy. This has been our project. That's uh Been a small 200 square foot addition that we really just want to add on to the team House before you go any farther just a name and address for the record Joan omira 37 cosby avenue hammers mess Thank you owner of 10 page street hammers mess dan wall and also the same residents Great. Thank you guys We've never seen um I don't think we need Need to add anything further, but if you have specific questions, will we glad to answer them? We're just briefly just um, I guess the one thing I would say just tell us you have an existing structure there now Yes, your goal is to add um Another room to that structure to make an ad you you have a perverted dwelling now and you want to Add a room there for to make an ad you correct? Correct And the reason you need a special permit is that it's um, it's over 50 percent of the habitable space of the converted dwelling is that correct? Well, it's over 50 percent of the Our main residential dwelling, excuse me, pretty second principal dwelling. Yes, which is like Somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400 1400 square feet. Yeah. Yes great I'm familiar with the area. Um, I've seen it. I've walked I used to walk there all the time and that in the block I think it's a Seems to me to be an appropriate Edition and consistent with neighborhood. Um I wonder if any board members have questions There's no questions from board members. It's the opportunity for public comment on this um Rob, do we have anybody from the public who wishes to comment on this application? Sure. And I guess just a reminder those in attendance who wish to make a public comment Please indicate by either using the raise hand function or if you're calling in press star nine And there is one gentleman Who has a hand raised uh, Nathaniel. I'm going to Allow for them to briefly comment Thank you very much Just name an address and try to keep your comments for about three minutes if you can I can do it in much Less than that. I'm here with my father david mokay as well 14 cosby avenue, so My parents purchased the house on 14 cosby avenue in 1969 And we have been wildly enthusiastic about dan and jones projects The work they did to the house when they first moved in vastly improved the neighborhood The additional unit they built was Extremely tasteful and also improved the neighborhood. We're here to say I can't think of anything More than wanting to support them in every possible way. They are outstanding neighbors their architectural design and taste Even gardening have improved our neighborhood infinitely per decades and we're wildly in favor of this project Thank you very much Any other people anybody else wishing to speak? Please use raise your hand That's anybody else. Mr. Chair. Oh There is a gentleman named j Forgive me if I mispronounced your last name tanae, huh? Going to go ahead and allow them to talk Thank you. Yes. Uh, last name is tanaeja. It's j tanaeja. I live at 77 mclellan street. Uh, just um adjacent to this property In question. I wanted to second the The perspective these Dan and jone have been wonderful neighbors and we're excited for to support them. So we're really happy to see Their their plans and happy and we just did a large addition ourselves and they were very very wonderful neighbors to the process So we're we're uh supportive of this. Thank you Great Thank you, mr. Tanaeja Anybody else any other public comments from Uh, not seeing any hands, mr. Chair. All right um We always give the applicant an opportunity to respond to public comments if they so choose As you know, jones, you always get a chance is an applicant to respond, but um, I don't know how If there's any need to but you're welcome to if you wish Um, how do I do that? Yeah All right, if there no are there any board questions for the board questions on the matter or comments If not, um, I would entertain a motion That we move into the public meeting on this application while keeping the public hearing open In case we need to gather additional information or comments. Do I have such a motion? Yeah, so moved Is there a second I'll second All right, any discussion on the motion if not vote occurs chair I vote yes Mr. White Hi Ms. Greenbaum. Hi Ms. Marshall Hi The vote is four to nothing motion carries. We're in a public meeting This is the public meeting portion is where the board generally where the board deliberates and is not Normally an opportunity for public comment With I'm generally disposed towards this it seems to make sense We we set up rules for um ADUs Which specifically said that the board can if the adu goes beyond what can be done by site By right the board can look at the the adu and approve it If it's in its judgment of dean's it's appropriate. I think this is an appropriate adu. So I have no problem with this at all um Ms. Marshall Yeah, I would say that that um If your main residence if the principal residence is relatively small Then adus are also going to be even smaller and It's easy to go over 50% just because They're small. Um But eventually there's too small to be useful. So These structures are are far apart. It's a very large lot. Um And so I think they'll be quite compatible with the neighborhood and you know, neither one is is a is an outsized Structure by any means I agree any other comments or questions from the board You have a comment from mr. White. Mr. Chair his hands up. I don't know if you can see it I lost it in the books There you go. Mr. White. I do too. It's a lovely place to do a meeting from Now, uh, I would agree with the both of you. Um, I understand the need with the adu But as Ms. Marshall was saying, you know, if your primary residence Um tends to be, you know on the smaller side, then obviously it's not difficult to go over 50 Um, so yeah, I'm inclined to Kind of think positively on this And I think going over 50 percent in this instance does nothing to the detriment of the neighborhood at all In fact, I think it It helps it out because it gives um, it's a more attractive I was in a more attractive unit than it otherwise would be so I think that's all great Ms. Greenbaum, you have your hand up. Yes. I wasn't going to bring this up but Because there really isn't necessary at this point But I think we really need to have a discussion about gross square footage Because I believe from looking at the socials website no going to the last building called That they have underestimated the living area of the house But um, it doesn't change my opinion. I still think that this needs to be passed But we should discuss gross building area sometime Great. Okay. That's a good thing to put for our Administrative meeting Can I can I ask which structure did you think was underestimated? the main house at 1460 um, just very briefly looking at the Assessors page. There are three columns of measurements One is the one on which they base the evaluation one is the actual measuring to the outside walls Which is the definition of gross square footage And then the third column effective area, but essentially um, the second floor which is evaluated at half the number of square feet for determining the evaluation um Is I have a written down over there 600 and something feet rather than 300 and something feet which would Bring him under the 50 percent if we but we we don't have a consensus on How actually The square footage is measured in the zoning by wall though it's on the I was told part of the building code. So I checked the building code on the second floor anything Inside of three square three feet high knee walls council's habitable living area and so I think we need to decide how we're going to measure it next time because we might have saved him So Issues involved in calling a public hearing Thanks, miss green What I'd like to do now is just review conditions. Let's report in the in the draft project application report Um conditions suggested by this in the report. I think are are fine First one is pretty much standard has to be built as um as per the site plans We have to nullify the Special permit Either one or the other has to be out of the dwelling units have to be occupied by the owner No more than two adults should live there. I live in the ad you at any time Exterior lighting is downcast street numbers visible parking shall occur and improve services only um Tracer septicles shall be screened property show register the rental residential rental program um joke standard provision that upon renewal of the residential rental program submit complaints 11 um the exterior siding of the ad you shall match that of the principal structure and the roof of the ad You shall either be cedar shingles or match the existing shingles Anybody have any problem with those conditions or do they wish to add any conditions to those two conditions If there's no further if there's no um Discussion about conditions No, is your hand up to to talk Oh, no, okay. Um If there's no no discussion on conditions, I would entertain a motion to approve the conditions in block Still move Is there a second Any for any discussion If not, uh vote occurs on the motion to approve the conditions and block Chair votes yes Mr. White Hi, this green bomb Hi Ms. Marshall Hi Conditions are approved now. We have to look at the um the way we request and the findings that we have to make under um section five generally the the findings we have to make under section five art is that um There there are several general requirements This isn't a formal finding but we but in view of this application all the uh The requirements from eight of five zero one one three a through and art seem to be um satisfied the one question on this on the the draft is uh extent of the Detached dwelling shall be located behind the front building But that's a little complicated The point of this is was to make sure that it didn't stick out. It's actually going to um The new room is actually going to be facing the other building. So I don't think it really this is really applicable on this point That's the only thing that's raised. I think all the steep steep. Can I add to that? Yes, you sure can Yeah, but this property runs the entire length of a block. I mean it has three bounded by three streets. So what is the front and what is the Yeah And it doesn't it doesn't get closer to one of those streets. It gets closer to the house. It's just in this case This is the case where the this requirement just doesn't work for this property Right I think yeah, I think I'm glad you agree miss marshal um Lastly, we have a waiver request for the for parking because I think that is um Waves so that they can have Because again, this it runs the whole length of the block having car parking in the driveway facing crossby avenue Not there it should be able to do that continue that and I would urge that we Grant that waiver and then um The design review principles again From section 5.0 113 q are met um Even to the extent of the the color of the building. So I think we've met all the requirements under Under article 5 I recommend that we approve the waiver and now I'll run through the 10.38 Um findings that we have to make for any special permit The first is 10.38 0 and 10.38 1 that is suitably located in the neighborhood. I mean, it's a residential neighborhood 10.38 2 a 3 8 5 8 5 and 8 7 They will not constitute the nuisance due to air and water pollution or a number of other factors It's not there's no significant change in that 10.38 4 is deals with appropriate facilities um It has appropriate facilities for the operation of the proposed use 10.38 6 is conformance with parking regulations if the waiver is granted Um, you know, we would be in compliance on 10.38 6 10.38 7 say vehicular movement It's already I think it has that already within the uh within the property 10.38 8 is not applicable 10.38 9 is disposal or storage of refuge and and they are um The they have a sufficient facilities 10.39 0 and 9 3 9 1 um Are not applicable 10.39 2 deals with adequate landscaping um, they have They have provided for uh screening Uh the back of the property um for lights 10.39 3 deals with adjacent properties from um lighting And they're going to have downcast lighting there. So I think we meet that 3 9 4 doesn't apply 10.39 5 is creating disharmony With respect to terrain, there's no there's no significant change Regarding that 10.39 6 screening for storage areas. There's screening of trash receptacles 10.39 7 is adequate recreational facilities There's only a modest change in the amount of open space and 10.39 8 Is it isn't how many with the general purpose of the intent of the bylaw and I think that's clear that it is um, so I I'm prepared to have a notion that we grant the waiver request 7.002 If I'm right on that rob and that we make the findings required Article 5 as well as section 10.38. Mr. Chair before we grant the waiver. Is it okay if I clarify what the waiver is for? Sure All right, so the waiver From 7.002 deals with having more than two vehicles parked in the front property line Of the property basically the front setback line And in this case the applicant has two driveways So one is essentially where the two cars park for the adu And towards the front where the main structure is is their driveway to park For that property So by granting this waiver You don't restrict them to only having two cars Park in the front setback at all times which minds you they have frontage on three streets McClellan page tree and cos bf and that's essentially where you're granting with this waiver So let's just have the motion out there then we'll have a discussion of the motion So do I have a motion to approve the special permit application? With papers and conditions and extinguishing the dba f y 2008-09 and to close the public hearing on this matter Is there a second? I'll move and I have a comment. I'll second it. All right move in comment Ms. Marshall you had your hand up first Oh, yeah, I I just I just need someone to explain. I would like someone to explain to me under 5.0 113 Yep item c Oh, no d Refer no no Dwelling may be used simultaneously for accessory lodging. What does that mean? Does that mean accessory lodging? So basically that refers to like a like a bed and breakfast pan air Yeah, like a short-term rental You know a wave like a short-term rental to make money off of basically that's what accessory lodging is Okay, and also mr. Chair. I want to comment. Do we vote to approve the findings? Yep I don't think we did no, that's why I noticed you jumped ahead a little bit there So I don't know if we approve the findings as as read off Oh, I thought it was all in one big motion. Can we not do that? We'll amend the motion to approve the findings that if we didn't do it we'll approve the motion to I have something to add Okay So the first one appropriateness in the neighborhood that these people receive the certificate of appropriateness from the local historic district commission For the building and for the lighting and I think that's appropriate to add that Great. Yes. Thank you. All right. So the motion before us is the motion to approve the special permit application To to make the findings required under 10.38 as well as the waiver as well as findings under article five to extinguish Extinguish zba f y 2008-09 and to close the public hearing on this matter That's the motion all in one All right, is there any discussion on that motion? If not the vote occurs on the motion. It's a roll call vote and we need four votes The chair votes aye. Mr. White Aye Ms. Greenbaugh Aye Ms. Marshall Aye The vote is four to nothing The motion carries Joan and Dan Congratulations. Oh We're done. Oh, you're done. You're done Thank you all for all your time and effort Thank you Mr. Chair, do you want me to go over the next steps with the applicants so they're aware of the process? You know, I I think you can do that off off line. Okay. I um, and I think Joan's probably pretty familiar with him, but Yeah, we'll do that offline. Okay. Thank you They should just be back in touch with with you rob if they Shortly to go overall to go over all that Okay. All right next order of business is zba f y 2024-14 Vivian Addison and Alan Eric Travis requesting special permit under section 5 point 0112 a of the zoning bylaw for an accessory dwelling unit over 50 percent of habitable ground By the case is gross whatever gsf is what is gsf ground square footage No, so it means a gross square footage. It's um Essentially, it's the area of each floor in a building combined It's a gross square footage of the principal structure on wildflower drive in amherst woods map 21 d parcel 7 R o outlying residential zoning district and aquifer recharge protection overlay district um We go with submissions that we have for that matter Oh, but first since I the reason I forgot is because I wasn't there site visit Rob you want to Sure. Yeah Yeah, the site visit um occurred on tuesday at five Miss green bomb and miss marshal are both present as well as the two applicants And the lot is is undeveloped so there's still trees there. Um They were stakes marked for the location of where the driveway is going to be off the common driveway So they have their own individual driveway that connects to a common shared driveway with three other start two other properties um, they also staked out the garage dimensions as well as the main house dimensions and the adu dimensions and um, they also Had marked located areas where they're going to tie in for their water and sewer you can actually see this um The connection areas to get out of the ground closest to the main road wildflower drive Um, and then other than that mr. Chair, there's not really much else that happened on site visit Miss green bomb or miss marshal. Do you want to add anything? Just at the ground, um It's a level and then drops off quite a bit down to a I don't know golly lower lower place. So it's my understanding that the structures I mean the garage will be at the top basically and then these other structures will be Further down literally down somewhat. Um So they probably won't be very visible from from the driveway even Great. All right. Thank you guys um submissions zba the applicant has submitted zba fy 2024-14 application forms management forms complaint response forms A project narrative an email describing the adu dimensions from january 18th of this year Comments from the tree warden from january 4th a drainage map Um driveway easements filed with the registry of deeds wetlands resources review zba 2024-14 site plan review site plans Repaired by randall icer the adu building and foundation plans lighting plans landscaping plans and his color scheme diagram There's also staff submission, which is of course the project's application report Has there been any public comment received? I am unaware of any rub So I haven't had any written public comments Um submitted mr. Chair, but there were did you mention the two department comments from So one comment from the town engineer and then one comment from the wetlands administrator It wasn't on the I haven't in the packet, but they weren't listed on the uh in the submissions Sure. I can briefly um, I could briefly mention Do you may go over what they were mr. Chair? Do you want me to state that they were submitted just state that they were submitted sure? Yeah, so uh jason skeels town engineer submitted a comment as well as erin jack the wetlands administrator both of them the same date Which I believe was march 12 um Nor the submissions and nor the public comments um This is the opportunity for the applicant to make their presentation. Um, who wishes to speak for the applicant? So we have let's see. I see eric travis In attendance. I will go ahead and send a panelist invitation. They just have to accept Hi, hi, just give us your name and and address and for the record. Good evening. My name is vivian addison This is my husband alan eric travis and we currently live at 142 b Amherst road pellum messachusetts Great, you can proceed Two years ago my family collectively decided to move from our large cities to a smaller town to live closer to each other So we could be an integral part of each other's lives just help support each other with child care pet care And also to be close as we the grandparents age in place We purchased a lot in amherst woods and together designed a home that was big enough But not too big for my daughter and her spouse and their two and four year old children And an adu that was right sized for our needs as grandparents The adu house and garages planned our modular units built by an Amish company in pennsylvania They have mossy green laps siting with charcoal gray standing seam roof white trim And they are built in the same cottage style and with the same finishes except for their front doors, which are different The adu is tucked away behind the back of the garage and has its narrow side presenting So it appears smaller than the main house Which and it is smaller, which is the tallest of the buildings by right We're able to build an adu that is 50 of the size of the main house with less than a thousand square feet The adu we are proposing to build is 57 percent The size of the main house and is 875 square feet of habitable space well below the 1,000 square foot limit So we are requesting a special permit Thank you. Thank you Any questions from the board for the applicants Sir, Ms. Marshall, do you have your hand up? Is that Just I'm Mr. Chair. I just wanted to notify the board. I'm having a little bit of internet issues So I'm going to disconnect my video and hopefully that'll solve it. All right. Thank you all right, um the one thing that that mr. Whatchilla did refer to was Comments from the Department of Public Works as well as the conservation commission They both the the essence of both of those comments were that there was no implications for either For the project for the consulate for the water quality or conservation They wanted to have you include the limits the borders on the plans and you've done so so you've met with their Requirements, I don't think it's going to be a problem. I don't think they're posing any opposition or concerns. They know concern about the The application I have no I have no special questions. I think this is this makes great sense um, and I I think it's a great idea to be able to create a as you call it a family compound and Yeah, look close to your grandchildren really close to your grandchildren and your children. That's that's wonderful Um, are there any other comments from people on the on the board regarding this application? All right. Um, is there any public rob? Is there this would be a time for public comment if public wishes to comment on this? So indicate by raising your hand or pushing star 8 star 9 on your phone We'll and when you do Comment, please comment to the board So there is a few hands Raised mr. Chair. The first one was uh, mandy joe hannacky. I'm gonna go ahead and give him the speaking chair Hello, can you hear me? Yep Well, my name is mandy joe hannacky and I live at 26 fox glove lane Please note that I'm speaking as a resident of amherst and in a butter But not in my capacity as a town counselor despite what the screen shows. I can't change my name um I am as a both resident and isn't a butter Who will be able to see this project from my backyard and rear house windows? I request that you approve the special permit and do so without delay The special permit application is reasonable as it does not cause substantial inconvenience to a butters reasonably protects a journey in premises and is in harmony with the neighborhood and the master plan This request for an adu is before you because the main house is being built to the current needs of the owners And is smaller than many if not most of the houses in our neighborhood If the owners had chosen to build a larger primary residence the proposed adu would not exceed 50 of the primary residents as habitable gsf Frankly, we should applaud the owners for building to the size they need not a size that would make their path for adding an adu easier Given our need for more affordable housing in amherst Denying this request or taking too much time to approve the special permit would only encourage them and future landowners to build Larger than needed primary residences in order to have an easier path toward building an adu As you know, the adus that are less than both a thousand square feet and 50% are by right without needing a public hearing So if a special permit takes too long a landowner can simply obtain a building permit by increasing the habitable gsf Of the primary residents So the potential for simply building larger in order to receive a building permit for an adu should be taken seriously by the zba Please don't encourage such a practice by denying or delaying the approval of a special permit in this instance Amherst should be encouraging the building of smaller residences and adus just like this project proposal um We need to encourage projects like this building two dwelling units on this currently undeveloped one and a half acre flag lot on wildflower drive is a great example of encouraging more infill development and smaller dwellings So I am a loud and clear. Yes, please approve the special permit for an adu larger than 50% of the habitable gsf Of the primary residents and please do so swiftly I want to thank you for your time But my husband is not here yet. So if you'll just indulge me He's not able to join because he's picking up our children and his comment I will be very quickly. His name is david hannacky and he lives with me um He would also like to say Yes, the plans presented seem entirely reasonable in size and scope, especially when compared with the other dwellings in our neighborhood Um, and while it might not from him necessarily be relevant to your deliberations He finds the designs are quite tasteful and he appreciates the care taken in the lighting plan with its emphasis on downlit dark sky compliant warm color temperature lights um, he wishes to say um That the original developers of our neighborhood had taken that amount of care in the lighting plans because our neighborhood is not so compliant Um, he'll be able to see the new structures from the backyard and he would like to go on record as yes in my backyard Thanks, and he thanks the zba members for the care and attention to these issues and welcomes the applicants to our neighborhood So thank you so much for your time Thank you Any other comments? Um, there is There is another hand, uh, steven frazier. I will go ahead and give him the microphone Mr. Frazier, just give us your name and address for the record, please Hi, uh, steven frazier. I'm at ten well flower drive You may may proceed. Yes. Hi. Uh, yes, my uh property Is adjacent to the access, uh, to this, uh, development And I I have two concerns one is, um Primarily what I will see is a garage and parking And so, um, my concern is whether there's any, uh, design for some kind of screening And and my other concern is, um although the, um The the owners do not plan to rent this adu As a as a rental unit Uh, my my concern is that it will eventually Eventually become a rental unit and Uh, I would like to know what what kinds of, uh, processes are in place to Manage that Thank you, mr. Frazier Are there any other public comments? There is a public comment from grace, uh, neyman Go ahead and give him the microphone Sorry Hello, I'm francisco keros. I'm grace neyman's husband And I'm here also I'm from graces here And we're new new to, uh, the idea of an adu So we're learning here, um, but, uh, we're curious, um we In the online information we weren't able to find out About the Full-size basement they they plan to do on the adu That has does it have a door going to the outside? or How are you going to get out of it? Is the rear of the house going to be at the? um The normal ground level et cetera another question is, um Can you elaborate on the? V a c equipment? The compressor is it going to be in in the back of the house away from us or Where where is it going to be? We're also concerned about the heavy equipment that's going to be used to install this And because they're going to have to drive over the water line that's underground So that's another concern And in the future If we add an adu Or another neighbor on this flag lot adds an adu. We're by the way, we're Their neighbors adjacent neighbors Um, how will we resolve any traffic problems that arise? otherwise We're glad to see new neighbors and We hope this all works out for you Thank you other comments please Indicate that you wish to speak by raising your hand or pressing star nine on your phone There is a comment from Kathy Pollard Miss Pollard give us your name and address for the record, please and You may speak I'm sorry. Can you hear me? Yes, we can now. Okay. Yes. Thank you Katherine Pollard 15 walks our drive across the street from these new neighbors who are building It sounds like they're a wonderful development and I look forward to To that and I'm pleased to hear that everyone is Pleased with the parent attention to the design. I was wondering about um lot that is to the side and Um, uh, in front on law power that there's some by charlotte hand and welver of new school That has recently been clear cut. I was wondering what the connection is to the developing Project we're talking about now and why is clear cut and If there's a connection here and If there's been any assessments of the erosion and The the bone which has a stream on their legit together That's my that's my question So it was a little hard it was a little hard to hear you at the end there So you you wondered about the clear cutting and the effect on this on a stream and then what after after that I didn't understand you. Can you speak up a little bit? Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I'll do the best I can there is a lot in front Yeah, yeah, no, no just the end of your comment is what I I was I was curious why that was clear cut if the lock is connected To be that the owners who are developing behind and if there was assessments on being water fed of the stream below and the potential for The erosion and I'm just wondering why the lip was was cut down, which was actually a habitat for wildlife there and What the owls are gone and I was just wondering what the connection is between that lock and behind and why it was clear cut Got it. Okay. Thank you Thank you for your comment. Ms. Pollard Are there opportunities? Oh, you bet. I thought you finished Are there other public comments robber got anybody else? Okay So this is the opportunity after public comments the applicants have an opportunity to respond if they so choose to the to the points raised If you wish to Is it time to do that? Yes, um in in regards to the last comments regarding the lot that's actually on wildflower drive That is not our lot. It has We have not cut down a single tree on our property yet That is the Owned by somebody else so That's not us. Um in regards to Nancy's goes concerns and questions Um the HVAC equipment will likely be Uh in between the two houses It there'll be air source heat pumps. They're very quiet Um And your garage there's a lot of room and garage Before your house so we're quite a distance away, but they Probably will be in between the two houses The HVAC guy said he needed to come out and actually see the buildings in place to go ahead and do set those um There is a full basement because the land goes like this and then slopes straight down We have to have a full basement And our builder said you would be foolish not to Have a means of egress from there if you have a full basement and that'll be on grade And that that that will be on grade, but it's very much lower and it will face out towards the Towards the depth towards the trees It won't be visible from Other other properties And then I can't remember any other concerns. Oh Regarding the water Heavy equipment. Oh the heavy equipment. Yes. Um when the construction workers do it they usually put a You know Ply or something down before the equipment goes over. We're aware that the water line runs about four feet away from the shared driveway um We're No, regardless equipment is going to have to go over that to get into our lot and that's part of the easement Um, we will make sure our builder is aware of it. He is actually already aware of it And they will guard it protect it as well as can be protected Tom And we can ask mr. Mora the building commissioner I'm assuming that there are protocols for protection of the The water Is that right? Yeah Yeah, I think the first thing is locating them the contractor will uh, you know carefully maneuver their equipment over it So, you know that contractor should be well aware of how to Uh, you know make make its their way into the lot and bring the equipment in safely Uh, sometimes they plate over those areas to protect the pipe Sometimes they're able to avoid it in other ways I can't remember. Were there other concerns that were addressed that I missed You can there are other two other concerns that I don't think you've addressed one, um is Do you if you wish to address one is the uh the Screening of the garage and second what if it becomes rental and later point in time upon sale Okay, what if it becomes rental if we were to sell the property it's possible it will become rental Amherst Has a process by if you rent a rent a building you have to go through the city of Amherst and Have a plan on file and we we we were required to do a plan. We have a plan on file already We are not going to rent it And if we have to go through the process just like any other rental property I'll I'll have all else. I have either rob morrow rob What cello describe it, but this will become a ADU and there's certain restrictions on We have to have a principal owner in the in the main building and it can be readd But those will continue those restrictions will go with the property and so it won't change the status now being able to rent So rob or rob can you? Sure better than I did Yeah, and also I want to add one more thing that's important too before you can technically Habitate the adu so you have to So for the rental part you have to register with the town's rental registration program Which I believe is done rob if I'm correct on this. Is it done through the board of is it the licensed commissioners who do that or is it? done administratively That's done administratively through inspection services Okay, and then the other thing So in order for the adu to be permitted the property has to be owner occupied in perpetuity So essentially the owners have to file a deed restriction With the registry of deeds saying that at least one of the buildings is going to be owner occupied all times Even if they're going to live in both that's just something they have to file in order to even have the approval To construct the adu so that's why it was included as a condition To the special permit and to the previous application as well So if you treat it as any other adu in hours Yeah, exactly And as to the screening um The way the driveway comes in The driveway is going to have to go up to the garage There's there's no way to screen the front of the garage because that's driveway access Um the house itself is set back behind the garage and down lower Oh, you know we're planning to There is going to be a little bit of a fence, but it will be Visually it'll be fairly open I guess we could plant some shrubs in the front there We'd be happy to except there's there's driveway there Also, there's the cut there's the bark that you turn around in So I mean we could we could do some In the front there. It's it's kind of difficult though. You you know, you can't plant on asphalt last point um is that questioner raised about the commenter raised about um watershed assessments and that was done by the con con and the um Jason sceels the town And if there's no impact upon the what they found that there's no impact upon the watershed Mr. Chair, I thought that was that concern was raised in connection with the other lot that was cleared Which doesn't belong to these I thought that um, I may Maybe I misread, but I thought Mr. Wachilla, can you yeah, I'll clarify. Um, so basically the comments from um, mr. Sceels the town engineer and uh, miss jock the wetlands administrator Or that they don't encroach on any uh resource wetland resource areas or water bodies But towards the back of their property it does kind of go down to this valley Which has a mountain behind it and then that goes up and down into a water stream behind it So they're pretty far away and they have this natural drainage area at the back of their property So that's basically what the comments said and that neither one of them had any concerns from a storm water perspective So I think we're just Marshall. I think we're both right Well, I I I thought you were One of the comments from a member of the public just minutes ago was about and I thought that was about Where all the trees have been cut down so a different watershed issue Yeah, all right different property But the implication of this This application is that it has no effect on groundwater Well, no effect on wetlands. I guess is the biggest concern. Yeah. Yeah on wetlands. All right Any other questions or comments from board members regarding this Any questions for the applicant? If not, I'd entertain a motion that we club that we um move to a public meeting on Zba 2024 Dash 14 while keeping the public hearing open in case we need to gather additional information Almost is our second Second moved and seconded any discussion If not, the vote occurs in the motion to move to public to move to a public meeting while keeping the public hearing open Chair votes. Aye. Mr. White Aye. Ms. Marshall Aye. Ms. Greenbaum Aye. Aye. Great motion carries four to nothing. Um, this is the time when we Debate the public at the special permit application Um My my impression of this is that it's a well thought out Use of an AU and use of space and they There's minimal disruption to the neighborhood. I think many of the questions that have been raised by members of the public Are legitimate and I think they haven't been there's an answer for Most of them I think satisfactorily from the in the project and from the the perspective Builders and the owners the land. Uh, so I'm I'm Disposed to approve this I'd like to know if other people have other thoughts Concerns or questions regarding other board members of thoughts concerns or questions regarding this I just want to say I think it's a great use of a of a tough property the way Yeah, you know declines so precipitously. I think yeah, really I didn't get to the site, but but from the map. It's a Pretty medic drop off at the rear of the property Not a lot of glad it can be used a lot of buildable space there. Yeah All right, if there are no other questions or concerns regarding this, uh, I'd like to first go over the conditions um From the draft application report Look at those and then based on those conditions. I think we can make our um, we can make findings depending upon whether the conditions are approved The first condition in the draft application project application report is standards It's mr. Wachilla Your hand is up. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify it So I do have the conditions up. I wanted to clarify on a question that was brought up by mr. Frazier earlier about um The garage being in view from the street. I just want to also emphasize that the owners Are very constrained on where they can put these buildings on the property Because the fly's part is the part closest to the road and the driveway So if they were to push it any further back, they wouldn't be able to do it because most of the property It's just that slope going down the towards the valley So to move the garage further back would be very difficult to do. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you Thanks Great. Thanks, Rob. Put the The conditions back up Number one is pretty much standard. It's got to be built as to site plans two deals with the um The fact that this is going to be a deed restriction at least The principal owner will have to live in any of the adu or the principal residents The owner will have to live in one of the two units No more than two adults can live at the adu at all times all exterior lightings must be designed To be downcast and dark sky compliance according to the zba rules and regs Street numbers shall be clearly marked parking shall occur on surfaces Improved surfaces only trash receptacles shall be screened Uh, they wish to rent out one. They have to one unit the owner wishes to rent out one unit. They have to um Abide by the rental Management system of town if an active rental registration permit is in place. They have to have an annual Complaints and violation law report There's a restriction on on the use of not a restriction But sodium chloride if used shall be used at a minimum in the base ratio giving a base ratio of one part Salt to 10 parts sand Fertilizers pesticides and other leachable lawn and garden chemicals shall be used in accordance with lawn care regulations of massachusetts pesticide board They're in the draft application report. There was a question about whether we should be considering some of the restrictions on working on on design reviews Scholarly fighting single type. I'm not lying to one. I'm not inclined to deal with that in in this application because we're looking at a A standalone home, but um, I'd leave that up to the board members, but it doesn't seem to me to be particularly applicable at this point Mr. Chair. Yep, they did the applicants did also submit a sheet with the colors it looks close enough, but that's that's my My um opinion and no, no, I'm just saying they have they have I think they've satisfied Much of this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we need to do anything more. Right Ms. Greenbaum I'm curious about number three about two adults Does that preclude minor children down the line if for instance somebody Does read that building that's not a member of the family who does have minor children or if a minor one of the kids is big I don't know. You know, I don't know the answer to that Ms. Greenbaum. Mr. Mora Is that Just says no more than two adults It doesn't seem to have a limitation on if there's a child or a minor In addition to the two adults I don't think it does But you know, I actually after reading that I'm wondering if that's necessary and I think it should probably follow the The language and the by-law for all ad use that you know is Related to the number of unrelated residents three Yeah, yeah, I don't I'm not sure if there's any reason why that condition should be worded that way referring to two adults Was that something from The applicant include that wish that to be the case Well, so the applicant include that in their narrative and so that's why I put in there But mr. Mora did bring up a good point that The condition three should be changed So it should say no more than three unrelated adults Just so it matched the language and the by-law and I think that probably the most appropriate way to do it And I guess this is one place where we get the reaction from the applicant. Is that Acceptable the applicant Sure Yep, you're fine with it. Yes, I'm not having any more kids and I'm only gonna live with him, but yeah All right Miss marshal yeah, I would just note that this same condition was in the permit we just Granted earlier this evening Yeah, well, you know, I didn't pick it up at that one either. Yeah Raised well if there's just if there's like a standard list that robbs pulling from maybe Delete that one. You mean you want to only go back to the just what's in the by-law In the future Miss green ball You know my hand is so up. No, I just want to bring it up because you never know this this Um Permit is going into the registry of deeds and it is presumably In effective perpetuity and so you don't want to mouse people up down the line if they want to sell the house And it has restriction on it that might make it difficult Yes all right with that amendment to the conditions are there any other changes or I wish if not, I would entertain a motion that we approve the conditions in block as amended by the Permission for up to three adult unrelated adults So Second I've been moved and seconded any discussion There's no discussion the vote occurs on the motion to approve the conditions and block as amended Out of chair votes aye Mr. White Aye Miss Marshall Hi Miss green ball Aye The conditions are approved What was for nothing conditions are approved the next Is the making the findings we have to make under um section five generally that it is generally I think not generally it totally complies with the requirements of section five general requirements for an adu dimensional requirements are all met parking requirements are met um design standards are met and even the driveway is at the narrowest is is 12 feet but the minimum exit is 10 Minimum feet wide for one way use is 10 18 feet to it and it's 12 feet its most narrow part. So that's fine um The design standards are also met So I make I think we can make the findings that the um The application comports with everything needed for an adu in terms of section five Mr. Chair Yep The adu is more than 50% Of the gsf of the principal residence. So we just have to explicitly That's the reason they're getting a special permit. Yeah, it's because it exceeds that. Yes. Yeah, and I think that's stated in the um in the Yeah, it's stated in the in the description of the The special permit before us is that it's there because it's 50% it exceeds 50% So so Unless there's any objections on the findings we'll move on to the The findings into 10.38 under 10.38 0 and 3 8 1 generally deal with suitability for the neighborhood It's the residential neighborhood. This is a further residential use 10.38 2 10.38 3 8 5 and 8 7 generally deals with nuisances caused by a host of Different matt different ways pollution noise order dust We don't think I don't think that it does any of that. It doesn't About create a nuisance 10.38 4 is there's appropriate facilities Provided for the operation of the proposed use It'll have um Tom water and Tom sewer 10.38 6 deals with park and sign regulations um This is dealt with in the conditions Requirements of section 7.1 10.38 7 provides for convenience safe vehicular and pedestrian pedestrian traffic The proposed parking layout and driveway do not present any issues to vehicular and pedestrian movement on the site In fact, it looks to be pretty well designed 10.38 8 is not applicable 10.38 9 And provides for adequate message of disposal and storage that they have done that with the appropriate facilities for trash storage 10.39 0 It's not applicable 391 is not applicable or 10.39 1 is deals with only removal of trees within the project area Where the water and sewer line will be installed nor the landscapes or scenic features will be disturbed So I think they meet the requirements. We can make the findings under 10.39 1 10.39 2 provides adequate landscaping and screening of adjacent buildings Uses and provisions of street trees The applicant seems to have tree covered as best as can for most of the For almost all of the structures on the detailed landscaping plan includes landscaping maintenance and care 10.39 3 deals with um provisional providing protection of adjacent properties the intrusion of light the completly application complies with the zba rules regarding downcast Dark stack compliant lighting 10.39 4 is not applicable 395 deals with this harmony with respect to the terrain use scale and architecture existing buildings. This doesn't seem to be out of at all out of uh Scoped with what's in the neighborhood 10.39 6 provides for screening of storage areas loading docks Trash receptacles will be screened in the attached garage 10.39 7 is not applicable in 398 The proposals in harmony with the general purpose and interests of the spy law and the goals of the master plan I mean it does that by providing housing for um, two families In a in an innovative and thoughtful way kind of a residential neighborhood um So unless anybody disagrees with any of those findings for both the 10.39 3839 findings as well as the findings of the adu I would entertain a motion that we approve so um to prove zba 2024-14 request for a special permit under section 5.0 1 1 2 a discerning bylaw for accessory dwelling unit over 50 percent of habitable gsf of the principal structure on wildfire drive in amherst woods um with With conditions and that we close the public hearing on this matter I think I covered all of the chair. Yes, mr. White Uh, just real quick, um From what i'm seeing, uh, I think you might have just done it by mistake, but 10.394 you said was not applicable Um, it is applicable, but not an issue Okay, so that was the only note I wanted to make just you know, I might have I might have struck it out when I Oh, that's right. You're exactly right It's not a not not a problem. Yep Yeah, I just wanted just for the record. Good. We've got that straight into it All right So the motion before us is to approve a special permit with conditions and then we've made the findings that we close the public hearing So moved so moved. All right any discussion on that motion If not the vote occurs on the motion to approve the special permit and to close the public hearing Chair votes. I mr. White I if I can see the puppy Ms. Marshall I miss green ball Hi All right, the motion is approved for nothing Uh vote requires four votes. You got it. Congratulations and good luck Thank you very much. Thank you very much Next order of business is the town of amherst um zba 2024-15 Request for a special permit under section 3.3 3.2 3 1 of the zoning biologic and structures on the front prone flood prone conservancy district Including bridges boardwalks at 191 west pomeroy lane former hickory ridge golf course map 19 d parcel 10 residential neighborhood rn and fpc flood prone conservancy zoning districts There was not a site plan for this matter There is submissions Together here submissions Received have been zb from zba 2024 dash 15 application form a management plan site plans From august 10th 2023 sheet g1 l 101 l 102 c 100 c 200 Sheets 300 c 300 c 400 c 500 Sheet l 501 These are all site plans zba f y 2024 structure location plans a list of structures A bridge railing sample bridge railing sample a shade structure example and hickory ridge zoning map They requested waivers of the traffic impact statement a lighting plan and application fees And I think we've included all the items that are included in our packet Rob if i'm wrong is there anything that i've missed No, I think you covered it all mr. Chair. I think we got it all all right For this This is an application from the town of amherst who's going to speak for the town Um, I could get sit I could start off with some background information Then i'm going to hand over to to mr. Zomek to kind of go more into detail with the actual structures are going in the fpc so Basically the town of amherst is trying to construct a series of structures including bridges Boardwalks and a shade structure at the site of the former hickory ridge golf course, which is now going to be a um trail network That is going to be pretty extensive. Um, it's also the same site where the solar project's going to go But this specific petition is just focusing on improving those structures They're located in the fpc and if you don't mind mr. Chair max is going to share my screen and show this map Actually shows the entire property right here And each number is the different location of a specific type of structure. So for example Number one is going to be a vehicle and pedestrian bridge Um, and I just also want to note that most of the project if not all Of this project is actually located in the flood prone conservancy zoning district. So everything you see here the number So where my cursor is it kind of goes out this way all the way around is the fpc So in order for the town to start construction on these structures They need this special permit in order to move ahead with it And I also want to mention that this project did receive approval from the planning board for site plan review for the use and it did receive a order of conditions from the conservation commission as well for the structures and for the trail network So, uh, Dave Zomek is going to go into more detail of what each structure is going to be Um, and where they're going to go and uh, Dave you can take it away Sure, um, thank you rob and thank you, mr. Chair Dave Zomek assistant town manager for the town of amherst can everybody hear me Okay Great, I think as all of you know, this has been a project that the town has been working on for a few years Um, as rob indicated there are a number of things going on in this property Our focus tonight is really to talk with you about the structures in the fpc But just to round out what rob said, uh, you know, there is a 26 acre the the property itself is 150 acres There's 26 acres of solar that is already permitted on the site And then as part of the the overall project master plan Our goal as the town from the start was to connect some of the neighborhoods to the north up on east Hadley road With the village center, uh, where the new roundabout is at pomeroy and west street And so, uh, working with town staff working with state agencies, um, we have put together a trail plan indicated in red and what we we call in the lower left hand Part of the map is a loop trail and then the north south trail which goes all the way from the former clubhouse All the way up to the edge of our property in the upper right of your screen Which will ultimately connect to east Hadley road. Thank you rob so Tonight's discussion is focused on the eight structures that are indicated in this map As rob noted, they are listed over in the red box To the left and perhaps I could just go through them very quickly We do want to note as rob did that the the project itself has received appropriate permits and and approvals from the conservation commission and the planning board We are well aware of the history and current status of the fort river. We understand that Um, uh from time to time the fort river does over top its, uh, its banks. Um, and many, uh Trail systems like this across the country across the world for that matter. Um, occasionally flood So we are designing these trails to do exactly that. They will, uh, occasionally over top We think the profile of the pro of the improvements is Very minimal in in the flood plain and we've designed it Not unlike this will be a Essentially a six foot wide crushed stone trail Not unlike the cart paths that have been out there for the last 65 years That were used for golf courts to to move across the the course itself And those were overtopped with flooding Just like these trails will be from time to time So why don't I start very quickly? On the lower left, we have the loop trail. All of these trails will meet, um, most ADA standards And as I said, there'll be crushed stone relatively small improvement With a modest number of benches and appropriate kiosks at the trailhead and parking lot So number one is a small, uh, combination bridge that will allow, uh, uh, small vehicles to move To maintain the loop trail to move to the west and it'll also double function as the Getting over a small wetland area there for the the people who participate in this Using this trail, uh, number two is a small raised boardwalk again low profile Um, that will not it's so low that it will not have railings. It is not required to have railings Uh, number three is a pedestrian bridge again. These are these are these structures are only there because they're going over wetlands Again, all approved by the conservation commission Structure four is an existing bridge that'll eventually be rehabbed. That is a bridge that has been there for 60 plus years And functioned, uh, historically to get, uh, golfers and golf carts over the fort river Likewise, um bridge number five is existing Um, it is a bridge, uh, that will be improved Um by the pure sky solar company for the building of their solar Facility and we will use it. This is number five rob. This, uh, this will be used This will double once the solar company is done Constructing their their facility. Uh, it'll then be open to pedestrians as part of our trail system I'm moving on to the east over toward West street, uh bridge number six again is a very low profile Simple bridge. These are very simple bridges You know 10 feet 12 feet long over a tributary of the fort river And then the seventh structure Will be a small raised boardwalk to bring us up to grade The rob can point us toward the access over to west street. We will be picking up a sewer access above number seven And that is a road an existing road used by the dpw to monitor a sewer pumping station And we'll be picking that up to get pedestrians users of the trail hikers bikers over to west street And they could go to crocker farm school. They could go to the village center to the south The last structure, um, and actually this is one that we don't currently have funding for is way back in the western portion of the property kind of between number one and three It's not numbered, but it is right that little red dot just to the right of where your cursor is right there That is proposed to be a small simple Pavilion structure to get people out of the shade maybe have a sandwich something like that in the future So those are the eight structures Again low profile Built solidly built to withstand some overtopping from time to time by floodwaters and I think I'll stop there and take questions So the issue that's before us Is just that is this are the seven or the eight with the potential eighth Structure those the quest That's the special permit application we have before us is for the construction of those eight items, correct? Correct. Yeah, and you know our hope tonight is to to have the the Zoning board find that, you know, the structures did not interfere with the Fort River and its natural flooding processes again, uh, very minimal structures For the most part at grade or low profile The conservation commission has reviewed this planning board and found that those structures Are appropriate for this kind of trail And no other structures are planned at this time obviously in the floodplain in the fpc I know my fellow board members know that we generally defer judgments about Floodplain management stormwater runoff and others flood management to the expert commissions the con con commission even though it's and Even though it's in our required findings you generally refer to their knowledge You got that order conditions already from them, correct? Yes Could I also ask as the chair um, um, mr. Moore? I know is here and as building commissioner. He has also Been part of the planning for this and looked over our Plans for the structures and I just wanted to defer to him if I missed anything in my remarks Uh, no, I don't have anything to add. Thanks Mr. Marshall Your hand is up. Yes. So just two hours ago Dave and I were in a different meeting hearing about how a bridge at cherry hill golf course gets washed Downstream several times a year Uh, and what how what an expense and a nuisance it is to retrieve it and get it reinstalled So could you you said a little bit ago dave that These should withstand these structures proposed structures should withstand over topping Is there can you elaborate? I mean is that when there is flooding? This is slow. I mean it's slow. It's The bridges the whatever abutments serve or you know foundations they have aren't going to be undercut or Sure, that's a really this is a really good through the chair. Is that okay if I answer that? Yes, sure. Um, excellent question. Well first off the The structure up at cherry hill golf course, I'm not sure I would really characterize as a bridge it is a it is um You know, it it it's something that the town placed there some years ago It is there is nothing Firmly holding that piece of those pieces of wood even onto Uh, they're they're just flat on the ground. There's no concrete. There's nothing holding that Structure which again is a minimal structure. So every time it does flood um, basically the the uh, the water carries that structure away So these bridges are specifically designed to hold their place um in the wetland uh in the wetland complex that they're a part of The boardwalks the small boardwalks that we're proposing will actually be um Built with what are called helical or helical piers that are basically screwed into the ground and so these have been designed by engineers and designers to Stay in place and withstand, you know, certain forces, uh, you know, uh Like flooding water. So The structures we're proposing, uh, have just been designed in the last 12 months and I just contrast that with kind of a big piece of wood up in north amherst that needs to be improved In fact, uh, when I was before jcpc to some degree We should probably design something similar at cherry hill that is going to withstand those forces of A small stream, uh, like the one at cherry, but these are specifically designed to stay in place again a catastrophic flood or a You know a a ice shearing event 20 years from now. I don't think any of us You know, those are catastrophic events. We can't engineer for those but these bridges and structures are engineered to and design to last Thank you This question I have for david is not really under rob furbue, but I'm Interested to find out how you can have wheelchair and walk are accessible Sidewalks made out of crushed stone Sure, and I may defer to mr moron that if possible, but um, we are designing these Well, what if you could rob could you jump in there? Sure, so this is a A base of material. That's a pretty small aggregate that locks together really tight. So um, it gets placed Uh, Very leveled. So there's there's very little cross pitch. There's um, no inconsistencies in the way that it's uh graded At the surface and then it's rolled for compaction and the material is designed to compact really well From time to time it will need maintenance As years go on and the conservation staff will watch for those areas, but We find that the the hard pack base does hold up really well And there are no tree roots that would interfere as amity street for example and other places where we put asphalt The tree roots tend to rise up The the nice thing I might say about this is frankly if tree roots do interfere. It's a little easier to Get at this and and remove those tree roots If anyone has been to the conty trail over on moody bridge road in hadley if you think about a good portion of that structure is um crushed stone This fine crushed stone as as rob indicated that is Essentially our goal. There are also some pathways At the uh emily dickinson museum here on main street that are built in with the same technique I don't know if all the ones at emily dickinson meet all the ada standards That we are going to try to meet but that is our goal And from time to time they they they will be overtopped by water and will need some maintenance I did want to add the initial construction of these trails is being funded by uh state grants cdbg Funding and some cpa funding Added to that To to to meet the budget Miss green bomb. I was going to add exactly what the point that mr. Zomek made. I have uh been over to the silvio conty trail I pushed a wheelchair around that trail and with that Material way to use this pretty easy. So it it does a good job Keeping it pretty thank you. I've done that too, but I didn't know it was the same material Yeah, it works pretty well Other questions. Um, can we put the map up for just a second? Yeah, sorry about that. Just give me one second. All right This is not directly in our preview. I'm just trying to understand it. I remember when we approved this of the solar plan and then subsequent to that there was a public um input gathered by the By the town on the uses of this the site And I was wasn't sure if the parking lot the old golf course parking lot is going to remain there It's going to be changed. That will help a lot for access to people who don't live in the area We want to come there. Can you talk a little bit about? parking availability for this uh site sure and and this was um Very good questions and the planning board and conservation commission all all ask similar questions So there is the rob is circling the existing parking lot and this the uh darker structure to the left to the west is the former clubhouse. So in short our plan is to bring the clubhouse down We are working on trying to get funding for that Um, it is it cannot be reused it was it was uh when we received the property It was already in terrible shape and we wasn't very good clubhouse to begin with Yeah, we cannot reuse that Um, but then the parking lot itself, uh, we the town staff have developed a plan to to use the parking lot to support The trail system and potentially future uses of the frontage um, but in the short term The eastern part of the parking lot will be used for parking. We'll try to We're going to be using some uh, some split rail fencing some of the jersey barriers to to try to create some buffer between the visiting public and the um, the whole clubhouse And so they'll folks visitors will park on the right hand side of the parking lot you see before you They'll enter through that eastern most um access way there and they'll also exit there And we will kind of discontinue except for emergency purposes the front Uh circle uh entrance there and so people will disembark from their cars there There'll be a nice kiosk welcoming folks with a trail map And then off folks go to either do the loop trail or the north south trail Or both or if they just want to explore the property and go fishing or fly a kite or do some bird watching Whatever they might do We have not decided on what ultimately the repurposing of the area Of the clubhouse will be as folks know. I uh working with the town manager We've talked about some other uses there potentially Uh, a south fire station could go there potentially affordable housing potentially Some other town uses if we in the future look for Perhaps a new senior center site or a community center site Yet to be determined, but we do have some some potential uses on the frontage One last question again, this is not within our purview, but it's for my information um Aside from off the trails Um, do you get can you get access to the river? um Through by just walking through the grass or is it Is it you're going to allow people to walk off off the trails or are they restricted to the trails or the art? Is it uh, going to be? passable to walk through the Whatever that landscape will be Yeah, another good question. Obviously the solar area the 26 acres that you can see a faint outline in grayish black The central array is you know right up the middle And then there's the western array those will be fence so there'll be no access there But the rest of the property will be town property. Some of it will be conservation land some of it will be held in general by the town And um, we will encourage people to be on the trails but like other conservation areas if people are intrepid and want to um Want to go fishing or or want to go bird watching or you know Want to run in the grass or whatever they can we will eventually be mowing some of the Fields and keeping some of those fields in early successional habitat It's a very complex property with a number of rare and endangered species so not unlike Other applicants the town needs to apply to the state to get permission for some of our management goals So we are the applicant. We are we are regulated by the state in what we do on In and on the river as well as in the adjacent fields and forests So, um, we're working on a plan with the state for that But yes, people will be able to if they're willing to brave, uh, some ticks and some poison ivy People will be able to walk around and enjoy Great Thank you. Well, I I love the notion of using this area For public access it makes a lot of sense and the Fort River can be a real could be a real boom For the area kids could use kids can learn how to fish there Explore it would be great. So I like the The trail plan makes a lot of sense um, other questions comments Uh, before we go to public comment if not, um Rob, do we have anybody that wishes to speak from the public? So we only have two two attendees Um, neither one of them have their hand raised just a reminder if you want to make a public comment Use your raise hand function or press star nine Uh, nope. All right Any other one last time Uh opportunity for board members or for the top the applicant the town to speak before we go to public meeting I would entertain a motion that we move to a public meeting Um, and while keeping the public hearing open in case we need to gather additional information On this matter. Do I have such a motion? So It's moved in nine to two. So that's a second. So you've got a motion in second um Any discussion If not the vote occurs in the motion to go to a public meeting while keeping the public hearing open Chair votes aye Mr. White Hi Ms. Greenbaum. Hi Ms. Marshall. Hi. Hi The vote is four to nothing where it carries So now we're in the public meeting section. This is where we Uh can deliberate and go through findings and conditions Are there any general thoughts from board members on the application? I generally submit them very supportive And I would move to I would move into the conditions right away Do you look at the project application report? There's two conditions The first is pretty much boiled plate meaning I have to be built two site plans which are Specifically enumerated here And the second is that the order of conditions for the trail system being full of effect and that we We we adopt the order of conditions from the conservation commission. So we We defer to the judgment of a more expert body on this, but we incorporated in our in our finding in our conditions So I would entertain a motion Does anybody have any additions to that rod you have your hand up So I just want to clarify mr. Chair the third plan that um is considered the approved plan the structure location plan So that was the map that we were just looking at I was going to make an edit to that to include the eighth structure On that plan so it can be identified in that case the structure is the giant pavilion Shade structure it was left out But it will be included All right, so the motion is to approve these conditions with the change to adopt To add the eighth structure I have a question. Yeah, I'm sorry Marshall. Yep. Yeah, so just Maybe so I understand uh condition two the most recent order of conditions That is from the conservation commission. Yes. Yes. Could that be specified right there because these are also conditions. So it's Yes, but that's you know, I think miss marshal order of conditions is a term of art that apply that comes from the Conservation commission. They're the only ones who issue order of conditions. Yes, right Okay, and basically, um, you know, if the order conditions were to be updated Um, then, you know, they're not restricted to just one specific permit file number with the dp They can just apply the most recent ones on the site Right. Thank you. Good question All right, um, do I have a motion to approve the condition the two conditions with the additional Map alteration for for, um, I guess structure eight Some won't Is there a second Second moved and seconded any discussion if not The vote occurs on the conditions and approval in bonk in block Chair votes aye Mr. White Hi Miss green bomb Hi Miss marshal Hi Voters 40 nothing the conditions are approved in block in bonk And you know, I've got that wrong. They're approved in block So this is I'm having a hard time tonight guys, but um Not I'm not at 100% um Next is we have to make some we have we are required As a special permit grinding authority That um, we have to find that such factors as those listed in 3.229 Do not appreciably affect the water or table or quality In 3.229 there are several Items which the staff has identified as um That the application does not adversely affect the water Table or the water quality those include drainage elevation of buildings extensive paving and storage of chemicals and other hazardous substances adequately adequacy of Sewage it does not apply control of erosion The implementation does not apply location of equipment does not apply storage of buyout or buoyant material not buyout buoyant material does not apply And the effect of fill does not apply So I would find I would Like to move forward by saying that the The application meets drainage elevation extent of paving and storage of chemicals and other hazardous substances factors Which the special permit grinding authority must find Next The um Section 3.320 is just these structures do not Alter the natural course of water that seeks to restore them to the natural state It looks to me like that's exactly what these to the extent these structures impinge or Bound water they're not there to alter its course And and I think to me that this application does not alter natural water courses section 3.321 structures associated with this or allowable uses Um In accessory uses will not be located within the flood prone conservancy district without special permit And that's what we're here for tonight. So, um, I think the the findings under section 3 we can make Under section 6 or the dimensional findings Either they do not apply or they meet the dimensional Requirements, I think I don't think I've skipped any there And then findings under 10.38 and 389 Um 381 and 382 it's suitably located in the neighborhood It's exactly what we would we'd want to do with this area in this in this neighborhood 382 383 385 and 387 generally does it create nuisance? By various sources it does not 384 doesn't apply 386 doesn't apply 387 Does it this is all it provides? safe vehicular And pedestrian movement, especially with the Large parking area there 388 and 389 did not apply 390 is you it's uh protection from flood hazards as The proposal is use utilizing natural drainage and seeks to increase impervious areas Flood hazards would not be an issue for any large structure or buildings But um these we have no large structure or building in this case So I think we meet 390 391 Uh protects unique important historic or scenic features It's designed to do that. It's an harmony with the other The other features and natural a layout of the land 392 Does not apply 393 does not apply 394 dealing with Impact on steep slopes and wetlands We really have to I think we have to defer to the concom on this but the site is located within a flood prone A conservancy district within the hundred flood plain Will be in harmony with this is going to be in harmony with the environment 395 the proposal does not create this harmony with respect to terrain Even modest structures are not going to be creating this harmony with the The the public area public access area 396 does not apply 397 It provides adequate green space for recreation. That's what it's all about the whole Areas plan for that 398. It's in harmony with the general purpose and intent of the bylaw as well as the master plan Um the deployment of amorous trail system and recreation and natural borders so, um I'm prepared to First of all, if there's any discussion regarding those findings, I'd listen to them now And if not I'd be prepared to entertain a motion To accept the findings under um to make the findings required of us under section of screen under section six And under section 10.383.9 Do I have such a motion? So move Is there a second Second All right, let's move to second into any discussion I don't miss a green bomb the other hand up. Do I miss that? Yes, I do. Uh typo In 10.380. I think it should be clmple Complement Sorry for writing recreation for the residents The complementary it's clmple not comp pli Complementary And the very first finding 10.380. Yeah The position at least is the one I have from the package. Did he read the same thing? No, we've got the same one You got the same Under the staff Compliments the surrounding residential uses. It should be c o m p l e Clermann through Spelling It's a tight ball. I would think so. So I All right, good catch. No, I did. I had that written down. Thank you We'll amend the motion to allow staff to make technical and conforming changes And such as this if caught All right So the motion before us is to approve Is to make the findings required under 10.38 in the other sections that previously listed and to make the change identified by miss green bomb Do I have such a motion? We already did it right so Yep, so the vote occurs on adopting the findings chair Boat's eye Mr. White Hi Miss green bomb I Miss marshall Hi Findings are fine. We make the findings. So we've made the findings. We've made that conditions. So now the The matter before the board is the adoption of the special permit So I would entertain a motion to adopt the special to approve the special permit um special permit FY 2024-15 with conditions Um and to close the public hearing on that matter Do I have such a motion? So moved Is there a second? Second Is there any discussion? All set Chair votes aye Mr. White Aye Miss green bomb Aye Miss marshall Aye The vote is four oh It's official vote for the passage of the special special permit application Congratulations, you got it. It looks like a great project. I look forward to its completion And and using it Thank you. Thank you everyone. We really appreciate it. I I think we'll certainly be you know We'll be under construction in four to six weeks It'll take much of the spring and A good portion part of the summer to get it done But we hope to maybe cut a ribbon in late summer early fall Well, let us know we've twice acted on this this piece of property Like to see it like to see the fruition of our work Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and your consideration of the of the application Good. Thank you. Thank you for your work too, mr. Simon Um the next order of business is zba fy 2019-06 Antonio Marquez Diaz or Who operates mexico-lito is satisfied condition six and what's a new business owner shall present to the board for review and approval at a public meeting An updated business of updated management plan any other information necessary to confirm that the use is operating within the scope of the special permit um submissions To us include a management plan um a a description from the applicant of the business model a previous special permit when When jakes was granted a special permit fy 2019-06 Jake jakes was a previous occupant of that business at that location We have a business a seating plan from Cisco's cafe Which I think is is kind of the operational plan for this building We have a lighting plan as well from that time and we'd have a two renderings of signs for Other new signs will look is there anything else that we've gotten Rob in terms of submissions Did you mention the existing floor plan mr. Chair that was submitted? Okay, so yep, and then there's also the conditions from zba fy 2019-06 that were included as well But other than that you did cover everything else Okay um who's here for um The applicant is mr. Diaz Yep, so I am going to promote them to a panelist right now Mr. Diaz. Are you there? Hello, hello, maybe we should call and maybe he's giving up waiting for us Well, he did accept the panelist invitation. So he's gonna be there. He must be there Oh, he's up. Yeah, he said he's there a panelist Yeah, his microphone just you know, he's got his microphone off and you've got the Do you know how to turn the microphone on mr. Diaz? You look at the bottom of the screen Bottom left. Yep. You see a camera icon or a microphone icon And either of them struck through with a red line On the lower left hand side of your screen It appears he's got his microphone turned on now. Yeah, he keeps turning on off. I guess just the video Okay, the micro we're gonna deal with just the microphone if that's all you have can you Can you speak? he might have his His volume very low because we want to hear everything that we were saying before I wouldn't blame him Here So I think if you go to the um It's possibly you might have the wrong microphone selected if he's using a computer So if he goes toward the little microphone button is and he clicks on the arrow pointing up next to it phone number by any chance um, let me see it's here on the um application business business or Yeah Uh, let me see I'm trying to find that uh right on the management 609 658 2042 All right, I'll give him a call And I give you his email also. I have the email as well. But thank you hilda. All right Running low on caffeine You know, why don't we I wasn't gonna have a break because I knew we'd get through these quicker than nine o'clock Why don't we take just just take a minute here? Um, yeah, just I'm just gonna take a minute and walk away. I'll be back and rob if you get in Don't let him go off Mr. Chair Rob hasn't checked back in yet. So You didn't miss anything Thank you Can you hear me okay? So, uh, he's he's working on uh connecting with a different device. So he should be on shortly. I apologize for delay everybody Hello, attorney. Can you hear me? Yep, so um I'm not here He's still working on it Oh, I can hear you. Okay All right, everybody technical delay. He's gonna call into the webinar Um and use his audio through his phone. So We're working on it. We appreciate the patience. I'm sure you know This meeting is moving relatively quick with a big agenda. So it's still moving quick It's it's the last item too and philip. Thank you for staying awake with us Yeah Did I anticipate technical difficulties to me? I don't know. I don't feel sorry for philip at all I don't feel sorry for philip either Probably sunny in ireland You got a pretty good gig What did you say hilda? I said it's probably sunny in ireland Probably it is midnight. So, no Oh, you got irish thing as activated We used to blame it in paris all the time on irish So I got the phone number up. He just has to figure out how to unmute himself So he does that by star Nine, is that correct? I believe that's to raise your hand. I think if you press So antonia try pressing one I've also been told you may have to like swipe your screen or tap on it to see the various functions I'm trying to figure out how to If somebody's calling it, how do they unmute? On the elixir very quick Okay, so press stars Did you do it? We got him. Okay, good. Hello. Hello. Yes. There we are. Yay I'm so sorry guys It's okay It's all right Um, oh my god This is the first time that I'm using my tablet and this thing and without my wife and it was really nervous But I'm good. How you doing guys? It'll be it'll be easy easy from here on out All right, I feel comfortable now You had the hard part of the meeting already and then you're doing it without your wife So that makes it even even harder Oh my god, really? I mean, this is my second language and I'm really nervous, but I think I can do it She's taking care of my my kids so, um Mr. Diaz give us your e-mail address for the record and then proceed and just give us a very brief Synopsis of why you're here to visit why you're here before us Yes, yes. Well, as you know, uh, I've been working on town. So it's three years ago We've been enjoying the certainly community and Amherst, but uh, We we find a better opportunity going to this new location Uh, I think for business it will be much better for us. It's because uh, it's not many competitions on that area And we feel are really comfortable with the with the new tenant with the new landlords there They're supporting us to to make the the project Support the project, you know, so that was one of the big reasons with the way we decide to move over there And you know, but make a cheaper cost and make better business. That's why all or what we're trying to do Um, just for remain the the way the way that we do it, uh You know, we take care, uh a battle our team we we we create a family over here And we we really try to do our best Serving the community improving the best fresh quality and Good good service. You know, that's what we're trying to do. It's it's a really tough business restaurants But um, it's it's a passion, you know, it's a passion that we have Right now we we're doing Better because we we got the location in nor hampton. So it is going is doing really great Um, but right now we we're trying to to make the best decisions for the company So that's why we we decide to move over there Are you going to keep basically the same menu and the same type of service that you had that you had exactly? Yeah, exactly the same thing we're gonna uh, uh, it's you know, like, uh We know that this town it's with a lot of college kids. Um, we we never tried to improve our Big parties there and all this kind of A lot of alcohol and all the stuff we'd always try to keep the family familiar So our operation hours and this location will be 9 a.m. To 9 p.m. We're gonna keep the the breakfast as he was doing And you know, we're attached They we got already running in nor hampton So we we're ready to serve three meals a day Uh with the focus more the focus or in the food But you know, we uh, eventually we're gonna apply for the liquor license because it's it's a great addition to margarita with your tacos, you know Well, I I have only one question and that is that i'm sad to see you leave amherst before I could walk to you Um Enjoy your your business there. I um, so I I hope maybe you'll return with a third restaurant Back to amherst because I I've enjoyed your location there, but I also enjoy going to I was laying so I look forward to seeing your place there. I don't have any other questions. You've managed to I think you've Far as I'm concerned. I think you've met the requirements of Condition six Listed all the things that are required of the management plan and the additional information You've given us a good description. I understand. I see the Seating chart is from the old cisco's restaurant. I'm assuming that you're gonna keep the that means that you're gonna keep the basically the same seating chart Yeah, exactly the same, you know, as as I've been learning in the past three years It's better. Don't fix the things that are not broke in that place. It's perfectly designed You know That makes sense Any other board members have questions? All right, this is a public meeting This is marshal. Yeah. Yeah, just confirming. There's no outdoor seating. Is there No, we're not applying for that this year That we decided that that's gonna be a different story that the thing is that we're gonna get open running Soon as possible. Um, that's not the the main thing right now. So that does maybe the Um, a public discussion the next year. Yeah, okay. Thank you Miss green ball I just want to say that your downtown loss is north amherst gain. We really need a lunch place up here Oh, thank you. Thank you That's great. Then we're gonna do our best job Looking forward to coming in new. Yeah, mr. Diaz are we I mean Well, well, I'm really happy to hear that guys All right, um, our job tonight is to approve or I mean to consider and to approve or disapprove the, uh, the, um That he's met with condition six, which is he has to provide the uh, A new management plan and any other information necessary to confirm the building Is being that the use is that his operation is going to be The same is is approved under the use of the special permit Um, and I would have him entertain a motion to approve that That he does satisfy condition six So moved That's we've got a tripled so moved and tripled All right, um Any for the discussion if there's no further discussion the vote occurs on the motion to approve the, um Request from zda fy 2019 06 satisfying condition six of the previous special permit The chair votes aye mr. White Aye This marshal Aye Ms. Greenbaum Aye Congratulations. Good luck Thank you. I really appreciate all of my friends Thank you and I really appreciate all your patience. Which of the last yes All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye next order of business is members of the public comment from members of the public on any matter not before the board tonight Does anybody that wishes to speak on anything other than matters before the board raise your hand? Crickets The last order the last order of business is um other business not anticipated within the last 48 hours and that's in essence That's new business. So um Rob normally what we do is just give us an update for the upcoming meetings and the topics that we have Well, mr. Chair, I thought we're going to be doing this part of the meeting at like 9 30 But I'm glad to see we're doing an 8 12 instead. Um So in terms of coming up next meeting sir next meeting is going to be april 11th we do have one public hearing scheduled for that. Um, it's for a Change of use sorry not change of use change of occupancy status for converted dwelling that was approved a few years ago from owner occupied to non owner occupied with a resident manager And as of right now, we have nothing scheduled for april 25th, but we're anticipating Permits coming in we do actually have some review at the moment. Nothing is scheduled yet. Um, and that's all I have When's the next solar farm hearing? So that is actually on the 25th and thank you for bringing that up. So That'll be one of two continued public hearings. Uh, the shoes for the road solar. Um, and then the other topic will be The continued hearing for the flag lot on shea street So the owner is going to apply Um and become the applicant as well because the deal with the applicant, um fell through So he has he's taking over and we're going to re advertise the public hearing beforehand So so on the 25th, that's the 25th. Yes, that's the 25th So we have we have a we do have a solar yes the solar hearings continued and Uh, most of that discussion is going to pertain to the updated site plans that are still being finalized by the applicant And we're also going to talk more about peer review All right, and that's pretty much it So we have a month off Uh, you have april 11th Uh, which is a couple weeks a couple weeks, but that's just one hearing so I was hoping I was hoping I heard he was ready to come before the board The one for belcher town road Wait, which one was that? I'm sorry the 40b So no that one is still um, they just recently did their um They recently submitted their project eligibility letter to the state And right now the state is taking feedback and I believe rob. I don't know when the deadline is for that. Isn't that like in april? Before we can submit public comments to the state Yeah, we're just about a weekend to the 30 day review period. Yes So we're still pretty early on we're anticipating the 40b for wayfires to come over the summer Okay, yeah That's all I have All right, miss marshal is your hand up for a reason or you're just saying hi That's easier if I just leave my hand up all the time That was a mistake, so I will put it back All right, well, um, I don't have anything else except I want to say thank you to all of you for tonight. Um, I I was not I'm not feeling very well. I'm trying to do the best I could I kind of stumbled there a bit so rob and everybody else helped me out and found a few For making a few glitches and so You've taken this influenza influenza affected brain and So thanks so much Is there anything else Any questions comments? All right, we got done earlier tonight. You got 45 minutes free that you didn't plan You can watch basketball. You got two games tonight Yeah And you got the Celtics they got an undo their mess on Monday That Monday that was a disaster how you can lose when your 30 points ahead is beyond me Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Yes All right, folks, that was good. I like that sir. I gotta remember. Okay All right, thank you all. Um, I'd entertain a motion that we adjourn Moved and seconded I think I heard two All right, it's removed and seconded. We adjourned motion is not debatable The vote occurs on the motion to chair votes. Aye Mr. White Aye Screen ball Aye And miss marshal. Hi. All right. We are adjourned. Thank you all. Thanks very much Thank you. Get better steve. I feel better feel better