 Hi Eva, how are you? How are you doing? I'm doing great, I read, how about you? I'm doing great, you know, back home, you know, after cope. How's Kigali after cope? I was back home. So sunny, I miss the sun, I got time to rest, eat food. Yeah, I'm doing great. How about you Ethiopia and everything? Yeah, I'm doing great in Ethiopia, not this. You know, I got time also to rest and also, you know, connect with my friends and families after cope. You know, I was disconnected for, I think, more than a month. So now I'm very happy, you know, back in, I'm back in the truck. How's cope? How was cope 26 for you? How's the experience? I mean, it was great. So it was a different cope with the COVID measures and how entering some limitation in the rooms. But overall it was quite experienced. I got time to follow up the climate finance negotiation. I was focusing on the long term finance and also the new collective quantified gold. But it was hectic, but also get time to learn and get involved. So I mean, it was kind of slow in the beginning, but quite involved as time goes by. And we were able to get some agreement on most important issues at least to make sure that the conversation will keep going. At cope 27. How's cope 26 for you? I know loss and damage was one of your focus and those got kind of good to be able to exchange ideas. How was it for you? Yeah, for me it was a good cause in my experience alone and also have learned a lot. This time, you know, comparing from the previous cope, you know, I was focusing on the negotiation these days on this cope, especially me. So I've learned a lot with regards to, you know, learning about the negotiation aspect and also, you know, getting to know more about the issue of loss and damage as I am following loss and damage. So overall, the cope for me is one of the progressive. Of course, it's not that good, as well as it's not that bad, but it's kind of progressive one so quite happy with regards to the experience. Can you tell me more about your experience maybe what did you experience I mean some moments about during cope. I mean, I'll say for part, I was following the long term plan, the climate finance discussion was also interested about the loss and damage finance and I find it easy to go into the wind agenda reports. So when they actually agreed on the function of the Santiago net so there's this joy around the bush it was very infectious I love it so that was my heart moment, the moment I was like it's worth it. All the night. Keep the endless negotiations. So what are you going to do on the road to cope 27. Next time. We're coming to Africa so we know this time in the cop 26 you know Africa didn't get you know that's what expected from my perspective so, but you know the good thing is you know copies coming to Africa so I think we need to do something, you know, as it's coming to our I'm trying to prepare myself for that I already started you know, working on the issue of loss and damage. Yesterday also there was some discussion on. The loss and damage and global stock take I was also following that one. What about you ever. I mean, like you said this couple is like a progressive one said the stone, the steps to do in reaching those concrete outcomes so I'm hoping to be able to follow all the dialogues technical dialogues on long term finance, and also the loss and damage between me, but also on the new goals so I think the biggest walk is done before the cop, ahead of the cop within those workshop dialogue so I tend to keep being present also participate as much as I can provide input so that we get the successful Yeah, sure. I was thinking of you know working together with you cause you know I'm also you know focusing on issue of loss and damage finance. So, maybe you can just give me some insights, or I mean insights about the climate finance discussion. You know so we will see how we can link that the climate finance discussion was the issue of losing damage. I think we need to work on that one. What do you think. I think that's enough. That's a great idea. Finances like a little all the agenda so be happy to work with you. And yeah, make sure we have like a good cop. So what was the one thing you learned from like captain six. Well, I think one thing I learned in this cop is actually let me just share with you two things. By the way, one thing is, it's a, it's a, I understand it well that it's a gradual process. And also the second thing I learned that it's going to be difficult to know to follow more than one thematic topic in the negotiation if you really deeply engage with the negotiation that's what I learned. What about you, Eva. I say for me it was like the power of awareness. I think that's when I realized that awareness and what negotiations in the also help the negotiators to be able to arrive to an outcome. And I think with all the awareness happening before cop 26 lead to having that outcome that we had, we had in as the Glasgow climate fact. So, for me it was the power of awareness it's like complement each other with the negotiations yeah. That's an interesting one. Yeah, it was so nice to see you also to talk to you after cop 26 I hope to talk to you again in the new in the future. Thank you, Eva. Also, I'm very happy not to talk to you after copy now and also really good to catch up with you. So, hopefully, we will continue our conversation maybe next month. Enjoy your time.