 good Tuesday morning to you. You are watching Entrepreneurship Tuesday only on Y in the morning on Y to 5.4 channel. I hope you did catch that interview with one Joy Mochache. Now it's about time we do something very special on Entrepreneurship Tuesday. Today we are featuring two people, two very special people for that matter, and they have an initiative which we would like to discuss as the cost of freedom. So if you do want to participate in the conversation please weigh in. On Twitter you can find us at Y to 5.4 channel. The hashtag is Y in the morning. On Facebook you can find us at Y to 5.4. On Instagram you can find us at Y to 5.4 underscore channel. And in case you miss any of the valuable insight here, make sure you do find us on YouTube at Y to 5.4 channel. So with me in studio I have Ben Son, Juguna, and Francesca Mao. These are very special people because they have an initiative called Mneti Huru. As young people and you're out there and you're broke and you're struggling, the inclination to delve into crime is very high. But let me tell you today it's a bad idea and you're going to hear the story for some two young men here. In fact let me just say good morning to them before I dilute this. Morning morning. Ben Son tell me what? Good morning. Get on board to interact with the session. Okay. So Mneti Huru is an initiative they started because they wanted to be to reintegrate ex-convicts and be able to bring them back to society and enable them to live with other people and coexist and have a life outside of prison. Yeah. So let me start with Frances. Mneti Huru, what inspired this initiative of yours? What's the story? The story is that I was ex-convict and at some point I was released. I got depressed. I was in a community where there was a community and no one was allowed to accept me. I was brought up by God and my family. They said that I had some problems and that I had to be released to accept me. I was ex-convict. I was saved by God and I was reintegrated to the community. Yes. Okay, Ben Son, how long were you in for and for what reason? Okay. So, for me, it's a support group, and I'm determined to do it. I've been doing it since I was a grade, and I've been reformed. I've been reformed. I've been in the organization for two years. I've been doing self-screening since I was in primary form. So, I've been doing it since I was in primary form. I've been doing it since I was in primary form. I've been doing self-screening since I was in primary form. I like that. So, you also want to recruit people who are inclined to do crime so that they don't end up in prison as well. Francis, how long were you in and for what reason? I was in 2008 to 2010. I was in the robbery of the two-year-old. I was in jail, as well. I was in jail. I was in jail. I was in jail. I was in jail. I was in the Robby West prison for two years. Okay, I would like to understand, in the course of these two years, on a day-to-day basis, take us through the life of an inmate. What do you do from morning to evening? When you wake up, what do they do inside there? We'd like to know. Anyone want to answer that? Okay. Life in prison is like a zero grazing. Long term, it's not a long term. Short term, zero grazing. So you can imagine 10 years you go to evil, attack on an intersection, you go to any, your environment, so it makes you have zero grazing, you go to polypala. Can you take us through the psychological, where was your mind at? What were you feeling in the course of those two years? What were you thinking? What did you think of yourself and what did you aspire to do after you came out? I can imagine a day of zero grazing must feel like a lifetime. So can you take us through the mindset of an inmate when you're in that course of time that's your insight? So someone at home can understand you, don't just go to prison just like that. You need to know that these things are actually very traumatising. So I'd like to know what was going on in your head space? Before I went to the court, I was in a remand in the industrial area. So when I went to the court, I was in a remand, I was in a remand, I was in a remand, I was in a remand, I was in a remand. When I got out, I was in prison. So when I was in court, I was in a remand, I was in a remand, I was in a remand. So I went to prison, I was in a remand. So I was in a remand. I was in a remand. Okay, taking the time to adapt, to go up or whatever. But after a week, when you get to adapt, to get to adapt, it's like this, it's like this. My luck, my luck was, I was in the area, I was in the field, I was in the field. So if there's a problem, it's like this, it's hard. So I adapt, I adapt. Wow. Okay. Okay, Benson, do you have anything to say about your headspace? What were you thinking in the course of your two years as well? I had a lot of thoughts. I was thinking of going to a TV show, a TV show. So I imagine, I'm on a TV show, a TV show, I enjoy watching that. I see that I have the opportunity to give information, I have the opportunity to take my time to go there, to be able to pass. So I imagine, you know, I'm close relative to you, I'm close to you, I'm close to you, I'm close to you. So I'm not in the field, I'm in the field. I'm in the field. I don't know. I'm not in the field. I have a lot of hope. This is my goal. I have hope. By the way, I'm going to form a sports team. For prisons. Prisoners, I want to enjoy. So, I have a lot of hope. I want to go to a garden and eat something. I don't even know what to do. Oh, Okay, so I'd like to understand how did you guys get into the life of crime in the first place? How did you guys end up like that? Because most young people, like you're saying, you're also trying to reach out to those young people who intend to join the crime gang and what have you, how did you guys get into the crime? What was going on in your lives? One time, I beat people with a scabbard.. One of those guys attacked me so I said my wife was through teachable. be able to understand what is going on in the community. To understand what is going on, this is what I'm going to do. I want to get better and get well and be able to help. There are a lot of things I can use to improve my family, people like me, and people who are not well, this is how I get better. what I do is, I do a lot of pickpocketing, pickpocketing in the city, the town in line is always there, addiction from my addiction you get into now stealing so stealing now and graduate What about you, Benson? How did you get into the life of crime? I'm a football player. I'm a football player. I have a good organization and I'm very positive. But at the same time, I'm a football player. But I'm a football player, I can't find any match and my money is in the situation. I can't find any match and my money is in the situation. So that's what it's called the fake gun that so some of these guns in You know With the time and then you find yourself now you have reached the advanced level Okay, so I can see, there are some pictures that are on the screen now of you and I can see this is you Benson. Yes, yes, but which prison is this and what is happening here? Okay, I would like to understand when you guys finally left prison after now after you've left that whole life behind how did the society receive you? How did your family members react? How was it like when you went to look for jobs outside there? Because I can see that is the reason why you started this initiative. There were some challenges you went through trying to reintegrate yourself in the society. And Francis, you mentioned something very interesting about how also the police behave when you are released from their custody. So I'd like to hear your story. What was it that happened to you after you came out that caused you to have passion for ex-convicts as well? You found all your friends are dead? Yes, they were all dead. I was released. So I found friends. I was living in an area where I had a lifestyle. I had a passion for ex-convicts. I had a passion for ex-convicts. I had a passion for ex-convicts. I had a passion for ex-convicts. I had a passion for ex-convicts. I saw a man from the city and he came out of the building. Then I had a passion for ex-convicts. I was depressed. I was having a hard time. I felt that there was no love and that no one was able to show it, not even the churches. Even the congregation itself could not accept. I wanted to tell you another story but I had no interest. So, I was very happy before I could go to the city. The good thing was that I was very happy. I was very happy when I was going to the city. I was very happy when I was encouraged. I was very happy when I was going to Radham Town. I was very happy when I was going to the city. Before I was born, I didn't have a CES or any FENTC. So, I was very happy when I was going to the city. People are coming from the city to see me. Even the police is in the street. The police doesn't know where I am. So, I learned to choose the right place. Hi, my friend. I was very happy. You were happy when you went to the city. Yes, I was very happy. I was able to shoot. So, chances are that if you try to be a skier, you are no longer criminal. I was born with a skier. So, I can't learn from that, because I don't feel like that. People say that I'm a child, and I'm just a kid. I'm a child, and I'm not. So, that kind of assumption, people say that I'm a child. So, it's challenging, because survival chances are so high that it's hard to get out of jail. So there are extrajudicial killings outside here as well for ex-convicts. I hope the government of Kenya you have now had this outcry here for people who are leaving the jail cells and coming back into society. And some of the police, instead of encouraging them, they're actually coming out here and killing these people. So I'd like to understand what's happening in this picture, Benson, before I ask you how your process, how your integration process was. Because this is 10 years ago, by the way. You're 10 years free, 10 years free now. What's happening in this, I can see, committee maximum prison. What's happening here? I like the fact that you've said that it has to be credible. It has come from a credible source. Like it doesn't have any impact when you're a free person telling somebody that jail is not a good place. But it's more believable and it has more impact when you hear from an inmate inside there. Like now this is the life that is here. So don't come here. But Benson, let me understand. What was it about your integration process into society that made you partner with Kinna Francis over here and joined Mneti Huru? Because I've seen you spend also a lot of your time back in these same prisons where you guys were held. So it's kind of very, it's kind of spooky if you ask me. But I'd like to understand your integration process. Okay. And then there you learn your friends, that you don't have friends. Yeah, you know your true friends now. You can go all over the environment, but in a year or two, issues that they see will come from there. So the idea is that Mneti Huru will come. If you can, you know, Mtiyota is a collection of facilities. One of them is a course. There's a tailor link, there's a welding, there's a sugar mob, company, joineries. There's a lot of skills. Okay. So you're saying that some of these skills that you're taught while you're in there, when you come out, it becomes challenging because the resources. There's Mneti Huru is very interesting because these people actually don't just sit down and talk to you or train you just, they have a very interesting format of training of teaching people or trying to get the message across, which I found very interesting. And I think they should tell you that themselves. Francis, you were telling me that when you're going to this prison, that you don't go and just sit there with prisoners and your team and then instead you guys just come and play and through that you believe the message goes home. So I'd like to understand, what is it about this method and how efficient has it been? So after you're in prison, you interact with a ball, you're entertained. Then you give hope, you come and say, I'm entertained. You're entertained, you're a juggler, you're a juggler, you're a freestyle juggler, sometimes you're a madem. Madem is a kanda-kanda. I feel like I'm re-energized. So not only do you motivate vulnerable youth, you also motivate the inmates themselves. Yeah, so you also give them hope. Great, great, great. I can see you have an initiative for a crime-free society. Can you let us know about that, Benson? Okay, I can see that you also have a lot of issues when it comes to funding. But Francis opened Pandora's box here for young people who always say that, oh, you can't just start something because there's no money. Francis here was talking about resource mobilization. Can you please break that down for us real quick as we conclude this segment? So teamwork makes the dream work. Okay, okay, interesting. It's about time we conclude this segment. However, if you would like to support Mneti Huru, where can people find you? On social media, do you have any contacts? If for example you were to reach out or somebody would be willing to help or donate here and there, where can they find you? So people can DM you on Facebook and you'll be able to give them some feedback. Okay, thank you so much for coming to Y244 TV. I wish you the best of luck in your journey, 10 years later, 10 years free. The cost of freedom, please appreciate your freedom when you have it. And also don't join. Just don't just indulge yourself into crime. You've heard it from the horses mouth themselves that there's no life inside that is zero grazing. So don't zero graze your life, you know. So guys, anyway, you're watching entrepreneurship Tuesday and don't say that because of no money, you cannot do an initiative and you cannot start an initiative. Thank you so much, you guys. All right, please don't go anywhere. Joy Muchacha is coming up next to the next interview.