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I don't know what do you mean? lbj all the way all the way with lbj Hey, hey lbj how many kids could be killed today? was See like I'm trying to think of all the the memes around Like voting means election memes I like it like I like I gives the only one I can really think of and all the way with lbj Nixon's the one Big one there was Carter's it's warning in America. Wait. I thought that that was Reagan. Yep. Okay Yeah, no, Nixon's the one morning in America Don't stop That's a Fleetwood Mac song that the Clintons used a lot in the 90s Oh, it's the economy stupid. It's the economy stupid. That was that wasn't so much of slogan But yeah, it was a meme meme around Dukakis in a hat in a military hat. Oh, yeah, it was in a tank. That was the worst thing you did Dukakis had a hat Dukakis read my lips no new taxes. Yeah But that sank his second term didn't sink his first term because he ran it Well, yeah, because that was his thing from the first term that got him elected exactly When buttons well when buttons weren't really snuggle brings up wind buttons. I thought those were Those weren't like just energy Energy campaign buttons, maybe I'm remembering this in four more years pretty much everyone Former years, maybe it started with Nixon in 72, but it became a chant for every incumbent. Oh Look at that. I see you even found the the Dukakis tank picture. I Pleasure not energy. Thank you skip lives All right, you got you ready. Yeah, let's do this. Here we go The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by listeners like me to find out more of it's the Daily Tech news show .com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, November 8th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt. Patrick Beja is out sick today. He had a run in with the American healthcare system Well, he was in the country And in fact, we talked a little bit about it before the show or after the show last year last week when he was here he had a tooth issue and He's recovering fine, but he's getting over that in some jet lag. So Roger Chang our producer Very bravely stepping in on election day. Thank you, Roger. Yes. No problem. It was It was actually quite an uneventful morning since everyone was at the polling booth and I voted through an absentee ballot I did a bunch of errands quickly and it was able to get through them Because there's no one in line. Yeah, I did the mail-in ballot Which in California you can just sign in to do every year. You just sign up and then that's it They automatically mail you a ballot every year, which is fantastic Also because of election day, it definitely affects the news cycle even in technology news as everyone waits to see who's going to win the US elections, so What we're doing today we've got a few top stories in here that are notable and The main topic is going to be based on several emails that we got regarding the Tesla Supercharger change if you remember from yesterday's show Tesla announced that they're going to start charging new Tesla owners for use of the Superchargers previously it was free. We'll talk about that in a little bit. We got some great emails Couples from from Tesla drivers, but let's start off with the top stories Sources tell TechCrunch that Twitter is considering term sheets from multiple companies to buy Vine and has narrowed down the bidders Reportedly they started with ten and they've narrowed it down to five Twitter announced October 27th that it would shut down Vine to keep the archives online and Apparently got flooded with people who said will buy it for you now some of the reports say around ten million dollars has been offered We don't know if that's the average offer or just one of the lower ones, but it is not a lot of money For Vine, although that's more money than they get by not selling it, right? it's um It's one of it's one of those things where you want to make some money off of it But how you make your money off of it is do I want to make a Lot and kind of come out ahead or just kind of like cut my losses and come out with something So I'm not completely in the hole for this thing That we bought It's very interesting because really the valuations are an indication of the kind of value Obviously very much of what other people think Vine is actually worth or rather could provide to their Respective outfits. Yeah, it sounds like it's been mostly investment funds small companies some companies in China That see this as a way to monetize an archive There are also some advertising deals that Twitter has with Vine that would just sort of wither on the vine If you will or even if you won't I already said it's too late That could continue on this situation and could continue to bring Twitter some money or some revenue as part of the deal They might say hey We want to cut of this revenue even if you manage that or we'll continue to manage the sales all kinds of things but With the amount of outpouring of grief over the announcement that Vine would be closed It doesn't surprise me that you're going to have a lot of folks saying hey If we can get this at a bargain we can definitely turn that interest into some money in the at least in the short term They could I'm really curious to know how they would do that though. I mean within the within the nothing else page views Right. You just say hey, this is the the last chance for Vine folks or you know stunts, whatever Is this kind of like the pop-up ads of? Mobile yeah, maybe a Snapchat added world Lenses and support for the upcoming Spectacles glasses if you remember they they announced that they're gonna have a little hardware where you can capture things in Glasses that you are on your face So all of that's been added to the iOS app today instead of altering faces world lenses change the environment around you Of the seven at launch one for instance fills a room with hearts The other makes it look like it's snowing and it's not just a filter that goes over the front of you It actually can detect your face and have things fall behind you So it is doing some kind of head detection the forthcoming Spectacles glasses also will let the wearer capture and modify the world around them so this could be in preparation for that and what is certainly in preparation for Spectacles is The fact that a settings page for pairing them showed up in iOS still don't have a release date on that hardware though I think this whole thing is actually both Super, I mean it's it has it's very it's very Zike iced tea like it's one of those things that kind of leverages what a lot of people would like to do what are doing with With social media the same time. I'm wondering the longevity of Stuff like this. I mean I mean is this one of those things were in five years. They'll look incredibly dated. Yeah Yeah, the question is how long can they write it and can they keep the hits coming? That's what snapchat has been able to do so well Because people are saying the same thing about disappearing messages We've almost forgotten that snapchat launched as a way to send a message to your friend that would disappear And that was its big advantage and now it's like oh well now It's the place where you share funny pictures with filters I think snapchat thinks it can keep coming up with new ways to keep people interested. I have an incredibly dystopian and cynical view that Government will just buy a million of these and hand them out to the people who are on public assistance Say, hey, you know the world isn't that bad just put on these glasses Trust me things are gonna look a lot better. There's snap colored glasses. Yes Hi, it's good. I think that they're probably gonna be too expensive for that I don't know German TV channel NDR reports that privacy and security browser extension web of trust Shouldn't either be trusted nor used on the web It apparently collects and sells data on browsing habits Which as long as they're letting you know that isn't such a big deal if they anonymize you But the NDR report shows that they are not properly anonymizing the information NDR was able to determine The identities of some people from the data the chrome and firefox extension pitches itself as crowdsourced ratings the idea is that You get a bunch of people to use this and rate websites for trustworthiness for child safety And then you have a better idea whether to trust the website you're visiting For the time being though, mozilla has removed the extension from its store and web of trust itself removed the extension from the chrome store Web of trust says it's reviewing its privacy policy to make some changes And will allow users to opt out of data collection in the future as well as overhaul its anonymization practices But man when you're in the business of rating trustworthiness and something like this comes out It doesn't seem like people are going to run back to trusting you anytime soon And you know, it's it's it's not an ironic to notice that the name web of trust implies A level of trust and it provided none of that. So it's I mean I mean This is the age where you do have digital snake oils salesmen and people will always be On the lookout and even more so because there's The ones that you just jump ship to something else and you Uh will not see them I just three years until someone's Right something nice about them again Uh, yeah, I I I think the worst part about this is the fact that you have The anonymization practice is Not working But even if that was not the case The fact that web of trust is collecting your data and selling it A lot of people may not have realized and the privacy policy needed work on that They did not provide a way to opt out of that. All of those things were bad enough So it's they just kind of missed on every point Um, and I think it goes to a bigger issue of how companies try to monetize Their products. I mean changing users Not charging them subscription or just a flat out Yeah, yeah, uh one time other way and invariably it used Because which is, you know, probably the most valuable Uh a piece of uh data they could grab from people outside of just snagging your Social security checking account number or something like that. Yeah Uh, well, anyway web of trust if you have it on your browser You might want to uninstall it for the time being and Evaluate well evaluate carefully whether you actually want to ever go back Uh, you may have recently received a skype message I know I've received a few from friends with an inexplicable link Usually to buy do Uh, sometimes to some other website. It goes without saying you should definitely not click on any of those links The they are from uh hacks The verge reports that the issue comes from people who used a common username and password on skype So what was happening is let's say you use the same password and username Back a few years ago 2012 and that's in several of these databases that we've talked about That it turned out to be hacked. Maybe it's yahoo one. Maybe it's the linkedin one. Maybe it's another one altogether But if that same username and password was still being used they could get into your skype What makes it worse is that some people thought They were protected because they log into skype With a microsoft account and have two factor authentication protection on and that's great two factor authentication protects their microsoft account but what microsoft has been doing Is allowing you to continue to log in with your old skype credentials even if you've switched over to logging in with microsoft So there two factor authentication wouldn't protect you And if you forgot that that existed and never went back to change the username and password Then these spammers can get into your skype account and send these messages What you can do if you want to make sure this doesn't happen to you Is go log into microsoft at account dot microsoft dot com Dis and merge the accounts and then disable the skype alias merging the accounts will change Your skype password to be the same as your microsoft password. So that might be enough But if you just want to make absolutely sure you can disable the skype alias altogether Um, yeah, I think this is this is one of those things that's always bothered me about acquisitions of one service for another is that invariably you're going to run into an issue with security especially with Users who are so familiar with one method of accessing that they decide to leave it in as kind of a legacy door so to speak and you know So many people can have different keys to different doors or your house Before before one of them figures out. Hey, no one's checking out this door. So I'll just pop in So it's it's it does but who most users whether it's skype or anything else If it's immediate if spot and transitions for example if yahoo gets bought and transitions to someone else To update your account and possibly your passwords to see if there are any changes to the way You need to log in or the way your account is handled security wise. Yeah I I think that's all true and that's all good practice The issue here is a lot of people probably thought When they started using microsoft to log in and especially thought when they added two factor authentication that that would cover skype And it didn't now I understand why in the early days after microsoft Acquired skype that they would want to allow the old skype login to continue to work That's very user friendly to say hey, you know, we're not going to force you over to the microsoft login for now But at some point they either should have forced the change or reminded people that the accounts weren't actually merged I mean my account I had switched to using microsoft to log into skype My account was not technically merged now my old skype password and username were unique And so I don't think knock on wood that I that I felt prey to this I at least I haven't seen anything going out But that shouldn't be like here was an account that I was no longer monitoring and keeping an eye on Thankfully I was already in the practice several years ago of not using the same password and username everywhere But not everybody has had learned that So microsoft should have Sent a notice out saying hey if you want to keep your skype username go merge your account right now and you can do that Otherwise we're getting rid of it. They should have done that a long time or just force you Yeah, just force the user to to sign up for a new account. I mean, it's Yeah, you know, it's you know when you when you deal with large Corporations they often have an internal bureaucracy that doesn't necessarily Facilitate the smooth transition of things like that and it's unfortunate So if you're a user of skype and you're like, oh, well, I log in with microsoft I would still go check this because even though you log in with microsoft They may not have merged your account mine hadn't been I definitely know mine hasn't Yeah, and that's probably something you should do so that you have one less thing to worry about Well, let me hang up at the show. Yeah, you can do it later Facebook also updated the messenger platform to version 1.3 making sponsored messages available to all advertisers Ads can only be sent to users that a business is already in conversation with And users can still block that business from sending ads if they wish even if they're already in a conversation Developers will also get as part of the platform some better tracking the ability to deep link into a bot experience Maybe from their website Some improved bot search results among other things This probably isn't as bad as a lot of people are going to think at first blush I have to be for instance I get the wall street journal on messenger. It sends me an update every morning So they could conceivably send me an ad and that would be okay because i'm in a conversation with them And if I look at it and go I don't want that anymore I mean a I can turn off the wall street journal messenger on facebook or b I could just block those ads and say yeah, I don't want that anymore Um, I have to say it's a pretty slick integration. It's it's like as you said It's not actually that obnoxious in terms of the way ads are normally rolled out You're aware of it and you can do something about it, which is like the big two, right? Yeah, there's nothing there's nothing more Frustrating to have an ad you cannot get rid of or do anything. It's just constantly staring you at the face Um, and you know, it does dovetail nicely because if you're already Already having an affinity for a certain product or a line of products, you know, they can target I have absolutely no problem with this at all. That's what i'm saying. Yeah, I know I I mean I don't love the idea of getting spammed with ads, but it doesn't sound like it's spammy It sounds like I you know, I have to actually Have made contact with the business before they can even do this and then it gives me some amount of control but yeah Uh, finally tesla has agreed to acquire germany's gromman engineering Which does automated manufacturing in other words They they get robots to build things for people tesla plans to add a thousand engineering and technician jobs to gromman's existing 700 employees Those employees will be added in germany over the next two years tesla even has plans to start a giga factory in europe at some port So this is not taking jobs away from europe. It's actually adding jobs to europe gromman's automation will also Be used to increase production at teslas fremont california plant And the company gromman will continue to serve its other clients They have clients in the automotive industry and they say we will continue to serve those competing clients as well as in the semiconductor industry They do a lot of automation for semiconductor factories tesla wants to increase production from 80 000 cars in 2016 which is a huge increase from what they used to do already to 500 000 in 2018 The deal to acquire gromman is expected to close in early 2017 I think this is uh great news because at least From layman's perspective, it does imply that tesla Has bigger broader plans for their vehicles that encompasses a much higher vehicle production A model, you know typically, you know, I wouldn't say boutique But tesla was a on on the small scale of the number of cars they cranked out somewhere between like a bugatti and Maybe a lamborghini And so, you know, the fact that they have acquired this german automated Automotive automation Specialist, I guess that's the best way to put it is Good good news because it does say that hey, we're going to expand our business We're going to produce cars at a higher rate Which hopefully means that there'll be more available for people to buy thereby spurring even greater interest in their product and uh, hopefully spurring things like What we were talking about you and Veronica were talking about yesterday just uh having a lot of the infrastructure for example charging stations You know a corridors and stuff like that implement Yeah, this is uh, this is tesla making a big bet obviously by trying to acquire A a subsidiary business that is going to in some way still be working independent of tesla But at the same time is essential if they want to ramp up, uh their factories, so Yeah, and uh, I will say that um Uh, it's definitely It's definitely a sign that they they went with a company that has significant experience in this area of Of automation because car production is is is not something that you can I mean it is factory, but it isn't at the same time manufacturing. It is it's entirely different beast. You have suppliers you have Time tables you need to meet. There's so many moving parts to it that that it's not uh an easily funcable process Say like a company that makes lawn mowers Well, a lot of us in our chat room is saying they're they're closer to bmw Not the not bugatti and I think you were saying just to clarify you were saying they used to be in that very small class And they've been ramping it up. So yeah, exactly now they are Yeah, I yeah, they they remember what they started they started with the roadster Yeah, and you're saying back then they were at that class and they've they've been growing in there ever And I think that's a great sign because they they are definitely have Momentum it does encourage investors to say, hey, you know, these guys have definitely a broader plan Maybe not the money that I want raking They're rolling back toward me, but it is a sign that they definitely have Uh, their eye on a bigger picture in terms of market share Uh, not just in north america, but also in europe because there is going to be There, um conversations about a giga plant, uh in giga plant Gigafactory gigafactory two in europe Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com All right, as I said earlier yesterday, we mentioned the story about tesla limiting its free use of super chargers The details are that owners of tesla cars bought after january 1st Or even if you buy one now if you don't take delivery until after april 1st You'll have to pay you'll get 400 kilowatt hours of free charging after which you'll pay a small fee Uh, so maybe about four full charges for free Before you have to start paying it. We got a number of responses to the news in our discussion So we're carrying it on today Starting with dave from the chili chair city Gardner massachusetts. I had no idea Gardner massachusetts was chair city. Did you write it? I hope that's not implying the Prison style chair. No, I don't think so. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion myself Uh, I otherwise they wouldn't have much population left. No, I think it's just they make really good chairs there Uh, anyway, dave says I wonder if part of this is to encourage people to install solar cities new solar roof And tesla's power wall at their homes so they can charge for free if the merger goes through I can see package deals being offered where you buy a new tesla solar roof and power wall And save 10% and if you don't know what dave's referring to back on october 28th tesla and solar city Announced new solar roof glass tiles and the power wall to battery that are meant to work together No price was announced. Uh, we're assuming that a combined package price might be announced after the merger Is voted on the merger of solar city and tesla will be voted on november 17th But it's an interesting it's an interesting thought to say tesla I I don't think there is just one reason why tesla is making this move But certainly one side effect that tesla might welcome is if you know You're going to have to pay to charge your tesla You might be more interested in buying a solar roof and power wall so you can charge it up at home Um, yeah, I mean, I guess it I mean most people are going to be charging at home regardless because just because of limited range Uh, I'm just fascinated. I I I know it's not there, but I'm wildly imagining this vertical integrated Uh service that not only not only does your car but does your power for your home Uh, they could conceivably move on to other Um non automotive but definitely power related Uh businesses and I think it's um, it's very interesting because you know all these things stem from the fact that You know battery pack Electric powered the same way that the internal combustion engine provided not just Automotive uh capacity to move cars, but also ability for factories generate their electricity Um aircraft manufacturing and stuff like that. So it's it's very interesting Can you I mean, what if you have to buy into a tesla ecosystem at some point in the future? Yeah, that's kind of what they're that's a that's what they're implying here with this solar roof Uh announcement and I'm not sure that this this charging for The super chargers is due to that Uh, but it will encourage you to say hey I'm going to have to pay on the road I'm going to have to pay at home because I have to pay for my power But if I have solar power and a power wall Then I'm certainly not going to be paying as much if if at all Depending on my power usage and the amount of sun I get And I can store that up in the power wall. It is a compelling offer Thank you if they did a package deal of super chargers Uh solar roof tiles and batteries to like hotel motels Think of like, you know, uh any kind of motel that you can You drive up there. They got somewhere you can charge You still right next to your room be perfect Mark is a recent tesla model s owner and notes that one of the biggest changes for him Is the fact that he has a full tank every morning. You don't get this with a gas car He plugs in his car at home at night and in the morning his tank is full So with 200 plus miles of range He says he never charges when he's away from home during the day But what about road trips, right? You may say, oh, well, that's fine during the work week But what about when you want to take off to visit? Paducah, kentucky What about that mark? Well mark writes in a gas car We're accustomed to always filling up when we need gas in an electric car It's actually way more efficient to only charge enough to get to the next chargers last destination That means much less time charging on the road and much less cost if it's not free Also, at least with teslas, they supercharge quicker when the battery has less of a charge So on road trips, you actually want to target a lower tank when getting to the next charger with, of course adequate safety margins There's a good website called EV trip planner That maps out any trip and it's fun to play with removing charging stops and seeing the impact to the total trip time So first of all, it hadn't really occurred to me the benefit of always having a full tank When you're sitting at home, I'm sure anybody who owns an electric car of any kind already is like, yeah No, that's that's something that that goes without saying but this idea of Changing your route to hit the charging times is pretty fascinating too um, it could Bring up an entire industry of just calculating your range based on the amount of stuff you're You're carrying with you passengers and all that as well as distance I mean range anxiety will always be a thing right and so People have been it's a thing of gas cars, right? I mean that's not going away until you get self-driving cars. I guess and people are so used to I wouldn't say trained but they've they've learned that you just you keep an eye out and you go for a road with enough gas stations so you can get there And uh, yeah, you know, it's true You you you can charge up faster if there's less of a charge But at the same time a lot of people don't think that way Right because no no one wants to just have enough Yeah, I think what you're saying is the downside with with this is not that it's electric In fact, you know mark makes a lot of great points. It's that you have to plan you have to think ahead and In many ways, it's almost like a hybrid like if he brings up the map of ev trip planner In many ways, it's a larger version of the way I used to Plan public transit trips, right? I catch a bus here. I have to make sure like time it So when it reaches my transfer destination, the other bus I need to take is they're waiting for me You know, it isn't right before right after and so it's it's definitely a lot of planning, but at the same time Um, it you know, I have in a car that you can just hop in in the morning and not worry about Anything regarding like fuel or range while you're just doing your standard commute is So I guess so liberating if you think about it like not to worry about it Yeah, it's the planning is only on long car or car trips It it actually removes the planning from your daily life at that point Um, yeah, I'm just it'd be curious. I mean will will we see at one point? We'll have mobile charging stations where you just have a big semi with a bunch of Solar panels that just keeping these batteries constantly charge And I'll just pull over to a side and people charge up and yeah, there's been some attempts at that It just doesn't seem to charge fast enough to really make much of a difference Um, but that could change too Alex Karcher in sunny seattle wrote I think Tesla's shift to start charging for supercharger use is more than a cash grab I think it will give third parties a reason to start building their own superchargers And give other electric vehicle manufacturers a straightforward way to build supercharger compatible cars Here's why he thinks that Tesla if you recall Opened he says open sourced. I think some people would take Issue with using that term with what they did, but they opened their supercharger patents Back on june 12th 2014 and said they wanted to make their superchargers accessible to any automaker that played by their rules But two years later. No one has taken their bait and they appear to be shifting to a more familiar pay per consumption model Their previous supercharger sharing rules were a bit roundabout. So musk said back then in 2014 Companies would need to agree to the business model To be able to use the open patents and the open Design which is we don't charge people on a per charge basis They need to contribute to the capital cost proportional to their fleet's usage of the network. So we think that's pretty fair Two years later. No company has built their own supercharger And it's probably because it's really hard to compete with teslas price of free now that superchargers are regularly at capacity A third party could probably make a profit building their own chargers And that wasn't possible before if you had to agree to teslas business terms You had to agree to do it for free now. You don't Um, I know it's it's it's a very interesting thought I mean, I I was thinking That part of it was kind of incentivizing local and state governments to help Expand these networks because one of the one of the big Well, one of the big laments about electric vehicles is that because you're not paying for gas You're not paying the standard gas tax that goes to you know granted mostly subsidized But for road maintenance and things like that and there needed to be an alternative way of recouping that tax money Some have thought like well, maybe we'll just charge you by the miles you've driven And we'll keep a device on you just to track when you're in the state How many miles you're driven and you you get charged at the end of the month You know by having supercharged that people have to pay for or even subscribe to That could definitely make it then I don't think it will replace a gas tax But it could help some way to alleviating some government reluctance To to push for these on a broader scale because they will get some revenue back I assume Yeah and I had Until alex brought it up I had forgotten about this opening of the supercharger because back when he did that I assumed we'd get a couple of companies Wanting to do this and help expand the supercharger network Uh, and the fact is we have not so it'll be interesting to see if this is enough To change a company's mind. Well, I think part of it is your Companies don't want to be locked into another company standard Which may or may not You know, it might be beneficial to them, but at the same time as a company you're a little wary of of designing Then then if you say that though You have to go and and say and therefore linux will never succeed in the enterprise and well No, no, I'm not saying that it wouldn't but I'm just saying you know a reluctance for for other companies to Especially in the automotive industry, which is not as conversant with the benefits of open source and open licenses Uh, let's get to our pick of the day Al in autumnal london says. Hey, tom and team Just wanted a better skype alternative Maybe he's fed up with this login situation that we talked about earlier So he's used a pier dot in a p p e a r dot in for a year or so now and it's great Mainly because it's entirely browser based So there's no need for any participants to download anything to have a group video chat It supports locked rooms up to eight people for free screen sharing and more I actually only even discovered it because I was browsing through the slack app directory And you can slash command a chat right up for your team in a pier dot in anyhow Uh wanted to pass that along. Love the show. Keep up the good work. Thank you Al Up here dot in create a room if I mean basically if if you're looking for an alternative to hangouts It sounds like uh, it's an alternative to that as well So instead of getting a room get a room you just create a room appear in a room People here appear in one. Thank you Al. 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I think we had something like that a couple of days ago Uh vine voyage a gripe with skype Surviving survival of the fun surviving on the vine A lot of vines Yeah, testers parking jobs in europe Everyone's fresh right at the right at the first story I've noticed that the first story usually generates the most number of of title suggestions um A charge to discussion That's the leading the charge by sharing patents patents What's cars? That's what the that's how pronounce an australia patent I think in england Someone's telling that it's like what kind of paint are you talking about? not a paint it's like Uh appear it's appear in a room. Oh, I get appear in a room Super chargers and so super after all Nerds don't make passes at snapchats who wear spectacles That's that's hard work right there That's put in the effort I like tesla takes charge Yeah, it fits a couple of our stories there so Yeah, you know if they ever got to the point where the batteries were modular enough that you could pop one out Out of a tesla or perhaps another e-v vehicle I mean that was that was one of the the great things about One of the original thoughts with e-v is instead of just charging up the battery You just replace the battery with a new freshly charged one, right? There's well, there's the what's the name of that cycle? Uh company that does that Is it gogoro? Maybe gogoro let me check. Yeah They do that for for not not motor full on motorcycles a bit like moped scooter like things um Oh, they're so dang heavy Like they're really heavy Well, all what's really interesting is how far we're going with the battery technology we have and imagine What will happen with electric vehicles and super chargers and gogoro's? And phones and laptops when we finally hit that battery breakthrough Um That that says oh we found like a really lightweight stable way to create a huge amount of energy Or store a huge amount of energy suddenly that power wall doesn't need to be so huge the batteries in your car don't need to be so huge Uh, your phones can be light lighter and your laptops can be thinner. Hopefully I uh, I'm a little skeptical on that I'm a little skeptical on whether the advance will happen. I'm saying let's assume an advance eventually happens Uh, because that's usually the history of things is everyone says no, it'll never happen You'll never get anything better than steam power. Uh, and then we figure something out, right? Um, I'm not going to make it a prediction about when I want the little arc reactor from ironman that he cobbled together in a cave in afghanistan What or whatever right like but skip past worrying about the details of how or when And figure out like look at look at how crazy some of these things will become if we get to that point Yeah, I'm thinking less battery storage and just electricity generation Well, I think storage is is as big of an issue for for a lot of this stuff as generation I mean, yes, there's a whole problem to generate No, no, no like instead of having a battery a non-board Oh, you're saying a replacement for a battery could be a non-board generator like an active Power generator kind of like a fuel cell Yeah, I mean part of it is of course you you're gonna is You're gonna lose some efficiency because you're converting One one state of energy into another so you only get what 80 percent right. You see if they have super high efficiency. That's all Um nuclear battery You know, they've been thinking about that the the the issue is Well, the the issue is what do you do when you get into an accident? Are you just gonna have an open nuclear casing just? shooting up particles In some ways though, that's the same problem of a combustion engine, you know Felt the same way about that granted a nuclear issue is last the higher level of a problem They they've seriously considered nuclear power to jet planes, right? You just really need a way to heat the air Around a turbine to create the thrust But the the worry has always been what if there's an accident if it crashes And it's it if we can come up with a a better way of generating that energy then we don't have to mess with that That's that's what the problem with nuclear is. It's not that we can't deal with the fallout. Ha ha ha It's that it's it's really causes complexity and cost And maybe we can come up with a way that doesn't need that Zero point modules says dark redeemer. Yes And they're no larger than a thermos if if stargate the stargate archives. That's what i'm talking about Make stargate, you know, it's fine to make a lot of star check things come through. Let's make some stargate stuff Let's make a stargate We'll call it the wormhole like they did on that one episode That was actually a pretty funny episode. I like that one. I like what I like when shows can Tongue-in-cheek their entire premise poke fun at themselves Um, it's still kind of been cool cool actually cool has depending what type of cool it has a lot of heavy metals in it Build the Dyson swarm It's the Dyson sphere We're receiving a distress call from the surface. It's scotty spoiler alert that is an episode of next generation. Yes, that is That's kind of a sad episode a little bit Aye laddie it is like I mean, wasn't he just basically, uh, depressed drunk? This is my enterprise. No effing. I did say effing a b c or d the Yeah, he was just kind of a sad But you know, that's what made next generation so cool is they had a lot of sad characters They they they were able to do sad things. No The emo of sci-fi they didn't they didn't shy away from that You know people criticize star trek a lot of times for being too, uh, optimistic, but they weren't always Look at scotty No bloody a b c or d. Thank you, captain jack So but like the thing that those got me about star trek is they come across so many novel solutions Like for example in that episode of the Dyson sphere He literally kept himself alive by being the transporter buffer that entire time for what 300. Yeah It that sense what what's your issue? No, could you could you tell no like how people zero point module? How are you know how like people can cryogenically freeze themselves hoping they'll be fixed in the future We're gonna get some incurable disease in the 20s. That was also an episode Yeah But like no like you take that and you put yourself in a transporter buffer and hopefully in 3000 years They'll just beam you back and then fix what's wrong with you Even though if you had the if you had a transporter they like if you had like say like some sort of localized cancer I think it just beam it out of you Replace it. Well, yeah, I mean it is it is a little I guess that they tried to do some hand waving and say it shouldn't have worked But it did because he was a brilliant engineer and he was able to to hack it To work But even so once they discovered that wouldn't you then share that knowledge with and suddenly from then on anybody can be preserved in a pattern buffer or I mean, I guess I guess the way you write yourself out of that and I'm not sure they did this I'm pretty sure they didn't is you say, oh, well We couldn't really make it work in a stable way. He was lucky That it worked for him that one time. Well, then spent some money on the research to figure out how you got it to work no There may be a situation where You you were you're relying on some random events that you can't control and he just I understand but like the whole thing is like well, what are those random events? What are those things random they're random you can't make them happen Magic here's what you're saying It's like when my it's like when my camera works with skype. I don't know why it just happens Space magic It's like the queue It's like I'm not I'm not a supreme being they can do all sorts of things beyond the realm of your understanding It's not magic. It's just science. You don't understand exactly. That's what spok used to say Perhaps they come from a their universe to our physical laws don't apply like magic Any uh, a significant significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Yeah. Yeah, I as him off as What was the one? Oh, that's clark, isn't it? Oh, that's right. Is it clark or as them off? Oh now I can't remember now. You've you've overwritten that part of my brain Oh I thought that was art. I know art did satellites too. No, it is clark. It is okay. You win you win I win this round What's the uh, what's the inverse uh for magic any There's one for magic and it's so funny because it's really just a tongue-in-cheek Take magics any sufficiently Analyzed magic no any sufficiently um Analyzed magic magic is indistinguishable from science science. Oh, that's good. I like that Stealing the gravitational energy from another planet like jupiter. I don't know. I know jessica says f jupiter, but I've seen 2001 a space house. You could orbit us collect around the event horizon of a black hole to gather hawking region Would it be cheaper just to basically turn the moon into a giant solar collector? Yeah, just an onboard singularity Like the um, it could power like a fusion reactor, right? And then eventually we'll make it robotic so it could transform and do things for us sufficiently analyzed magic tv tropes.org nice domavoy domavoy Come on export. Well, yeah I feel like uh audacity after its latest update got slower I don't like audacity anymore I don't know. It's just what do you like now. I'm just kidding. It's uh, why don't you like audacity anymore? It's just when you use other tools that are so much More intuitive and slick and it's just like Then they cost money though and it's true. I think audacity gets you everything you pay for I know like if you want to use it for for advanced things, you're absolutely right pro tools or Audition, they're all much better But they're also they also have more things than most people need if you just need to do simple recording and editing audacity is fine I used to edit our audio in uh premiere because it's just easier to work the waveforms In premiere like I could cut T2 t2 says just throw everything through ffm peg and tint vex says we don't all hate ourselves that much t2 t2 Roger proposed that we make the moon into no moon I say the moon I say we make the moon work for us Yeah, what's the moon done for you lately side from bringing and lowering the tides In causing horseshoe crabs to come out for breeding And some other things Oh leaked nasa paper says em drive works according to the random website. Well, it's not random. It's digital trends digital trends is okay Um, they do tend to run with things a little clickbaity sometimes I'd want to see it somewhere else before I Em drive Yeah, it's that that drive that People say defies physics, but a few nasa scientists have been experimenting and come up with some preliminary evidence that it might actually work You mean not the electromagnetic wind that everyone thought was raising these little models that they were building If we could just use the implied energy and brownie in motion between particles, it'd be amazing limitless That's what the vorlans use the shadows use Even the men bar. I use the limited form of zero point energy How do they do it? Tesla takes charge man. I can't tell you how excited I am That Soundcloud auto populates from the id3 tags now when you know Isn't it cool? It's amazing It's like why didn't you do this before it's so obvious Well, i'm not going to beat them up for something they fixed That's unfair But I will say i'm happy they're doing it But we do that all the time. Why didn't you do this earlier? Yeah, that's I hate that that's the worst thing in the world because when you bring someone something and they're like Why didn't you do it earlier? Like well fine, then I just won't do it at all. How is that better? Like Wow, you're passive aggressive. No, that's not passive. That's just aggressive Because that what is passive aggressive is why didn't you do this earlier? It's like, oh well, I see you're very thankful It's it's one of my pet peeves Because it's very backwards-looking. It's very punitive punitive Not to be mistaken. I didn't do it earlier and because time travel doesn't exist yet I can't go back and do it earlier. So you want it now or not Yeah, I don't think it last long in the job doing that Well, why don't you make this sandwich sooner because the order just came Yeah, that no seriously that'd be like go into it go into a mcdonald's order in a burger You wait a couple minutes and they bring you your here's your burger sir. Why didn't you give it to me earlier? Well, because we had to make it That's my job and then I try to bring them boxes and they wonder why they don't go faster They go a lot faster if you push them out the window Push who what? Oh, no, I'm re responding to this Oh, see you would do that you respond out of context and I have no idea what's going on because my wife says the same thing So I'm used to the criticism I think seraphine used to say that it's like you always start from the middle It's like what are you talking about you always start a conversation for the middle Because I told her it's like, okay, you got to pack your things in a box It's like why am I fired it's like no you got to move over there We're booby-desk Oh, and she's like you started in the middle. Why don't you tell me why first? Yeah, because I did we were booby Ah It's what's one of my failings is a great leader. Yes. Otherwise you would be ruling us all Ruling them with Of course this guy in the chat room says why didn't you tell us about this pet peeve sooner? Ah This guy this guy. Am I right? Okay, can I these are really blurry on the video and on audio you can't see but I have uh campaign buttons for various people set up in the shot Can you roger tell what they are? They're pretty blurry Trump hence. I like I I see johnson in weld wild Weld. Yeah weld um One of them is overlapping The window is covering the other one here. So I can't see it Oh, wait, let me do this There's perot Is that henderson Anderson henderson That one's overlapping but I can't you know what this really bugs you because I just got an eye test Saturday So it just feels like I'm just sitting in the thing. Yeah, this is the worst Uh, the one between ike and johnson I can't tell them that's j quinn brisbane Socialist candidate for for president From the 90s and then at the very end Uh, just the ross pros the last one I see is there another one? You don't see the one next to perot right no finger is no, I do not you don't I don't look at my shot Yeah, that one the blue one next to perot Oh Well, my face covers it. Oh wait, I do that clinton clinton uh Yeah, clinton perot anderson johnson brisbane And then the little chiclet's cover it, but it's I like I can trump There you go. If you were puzzling all all episode About now, you know And knowing it's half the battle gi joe I tweeted about gi my gi joe uh hair salon business gi joe hair salon for a real american hair cut And then uh, you could have you would have a poster of all the characters and you would just say which haircut you wanted Do you want the duke the flint? the lady j Covergirl scarlet scarlet's more just a ponytail Uh, there's the bairness you want something a little more Kim Kardashian ish. Yeah The desk throw is just a straight shave if you want to be mobi or michael stipe Who else do you have that you could uh roadblock? I guess is the same thing I guess you could do quick kick, but that's just your standard asian guy chopsocky flake haircut from the 80s Snake eyes. Well, no one knows what snake eyes hair looks like besides his face was supposed to be all messed up It'd be hard to imagine his head wasn't messed up either Storm shadow Oh, you could go with the dreadknock hair dread knocks. That's like your standard biker slash This guy does the uh football song Oh here. Um, hey, Williams jr. All right Uh, I am going to shut down our live stream. Thank you everyone for watching I'm going to shut down our audio. Thank you everyone for listening Uh, if you are watching live, however On diamondclub.tv Be sure to hang around for Justin robert young who's going to start pre-show For the diamond club election night coverage in the united states and i'll be joining him a little later on This evening or afternoon for where I am Thanks everybody for watching