 out and scooped up a little something. Yeah. Yeah. Same. Oh, I should have taken my vitamin D. Yep. I've got to take that D. That done. I want to soak up this fun. And everyone when I left taking my vitamin D when I left Tom and Eileen's house over the weekend. I don't know. I just sort of like took a funny way back because I was going back to my friend's house. But I found myself on Ventura Boulevard and I was thinking of Cheryl Crowe's song where I was like, What's the bar? What's the bar she referenced? Were you laughing all the way because it was so funny? Did you later watch the sun come up on Santa Monica Boulevard? Wait, I thought it was Ventura Boulevard. Santa Monica Boulevard is where you're thinking Tom Petty. Oh, yeah, you're right. Well, what are the words of Ventura Boulevard? No, that's not the highway is in the sun from America. No, but the Tom Petty song, the No, it's the one free falling. Free falling. Yeah. Living in a scene. Oh, no. I wasn't thinking of that. I really thought it was the Cheryl Crowe song. I was thinking of yeah, like the just like how much like my body would have to hurt if I was at a bar anywhere in that area watching the sun come up. Watching the good people of the world. If I'm not in my own bed when the sun comes up, I have done something. I will say it is funny that my perspective on that song has gone from when it was new me going like, Oh, yeah, that's me. I'm just in Austin, not in Los Angeles to like the same as you like, I could never do that. Yeah, just like it hurts. It hurts to think about it. Yeah, you're right. Santa Monica Boulevard. Well, anyway, I got it wrong. Sure. I'm sorry. Ventura Highway in the sunshine. Except it wasn't in the sunshine for you. She probably sung about Ventura Boulevard. But yes, you're right, Roger. Definitely a Tom Petty lyric. But it wasn't like a big part of the song, just the one little. Yeah, no, but it's it's what it's the one that sticks in your head. Yeah. Yeah. What's the lyric again minutes? It's something coming. All the vampires walking through the valley move west down Ventura Boulevard free fall in you. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. You know, there was and I've seen that now that I live in Los Angeles free falling to the Ventura Boulevard. No, the vampires walking down Ventura Boulevard. Yeah. West. Yeah. You know, I will say until I move down here, those are all just sort of like non contextual like locates like, Oh, that must be a place that that also sounds like a place. And then when you're done, it's like, Oh, they all connect and like, Yeah, no, it's it's fun for the first year to be like, Oh, that's that thing that they talk about in that song. Then eventually you just get tired. I mean, other than that LA and New York, what's the other big DC is the other one I've noticed where I it's not so much from songs but from like movies and TV shows and we're like, Oh, that's Watergate Hotel. Oh, you know, that's such and such blah, blah, blah. I think I'm free. Oh my gosh, Scott, Scott Johnson. Do not let me forget to talk about the movie I watched last night. Oh, no. Okay. What was it? Or I'll remind you that I'm going to tell you when we're done. Stay tuned after the show. Bo is afraid to 30 seconds, Nick with a C go go get it quick. It's almost afraid. Oh, it's probably Oh, I have a I have an idea, but I will save it. I will ask you. You will. You're going to be wrong. I don't know how fast Nick with a C can get laundry from him. I'm excited. It depends if his laundry is like, I don't have reach. You got less than 30 seconds now. You'll have very little time. Have a good show, everybody. No, you good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Good day, Internet. Yeah. How you doing, Internet? You've been okay? You look good. Did you lose weight? Roger was more of a command. Yeah, what? Internet. Okay, will day. Yeah. Yeah, it was more of a dismissal. Like, thank you. Good day. Like, get out of here. Yeah, you don't have to go home, Internet. Can't stay here. You stay here for a little bit, actually. Yeah, you can stay here for some time. Yeah, as long as you move up into a bill of art. Alrighty then. Always good to reference things no one has any idea what we're talking about. Here we go. In three, two, Daily Tech News Show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you, including Hector Bones, Dan Crafton, Tim Ashman, and our brand new patrons, Tyreek and Brandon. Welcome on in. On this episode of DTNS, how is X going to deal with the ongoing explicit content problem? Gently, laugh now cry later, or idgaff. Apple shows off its multimodal LLM chops and why is Microsoft going cross platform for games? Well, Scott will tell you this. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, February 7, 2024 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane. In two feet of snow and growing. I'm Scott Johnson in Salt Lake City. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. He didn't have a snowing problem. He had a growing problem. Growing about a snow. Wow, you got a lot of snow, huh? Yeah, I don't know what's going on. It's you guys. It's LA. You guys sent us all the rain. It's winter. This is not that unusual, right? No, I didn't think any, we had left any water in the clouds for you. I know I was hoping most of it would end there, but no, it moved here, got cold and then came to us in a different form. But look, it's fine. It's the way things go. It's how we drink here in the valley. So that's right. You need that snowpack. Yeah, you'll want that come July in August. So you're right. All right, let's start with the quick hits, Sarah. Disney Plus is the latest to start cracking down on password sharing. Subscribers are now being informed of new changes to Disney Plus's terms of service that will make it harder for people to access the service using login credentials that aren't actually theirs. And that starts March 14th for existing customers in effect now if you're a new customer just signing up. Disney Plus started the password sharing call with its Canadian subscribers a few months ago. And earlier this week, Hulu sent out similar notices to its users about changes to its own terms of service and its plans to stop password sharing in the coming weeks. Speaking of Disney, Disney is going to team up with Fox and Warner Brothers. In a statement, all three said they would create a combined sports streaming service that will offer content from all the major leagues they have deals with NBA MLB NHL NFL. This confirms a Wall Street Journal report with all three companies having one third ownership of a brand new service. No pricing options were shared but the company says fans will get more choices. Of course they said that, especially those who have cut the cord. Yeah, they said a lot of things. The new service is expected this fall and we'll be talking at length about this on tomorrow's show with Justin Robert Young. I wrote about it in my sub stack. So if you go to free tech newsletter.com, you can get what I think and then tune in to DTNS tomorrow to listen to Justin tell me why I'm wrong. Chey analysis reports that ransomware attacks were up quite a big, quite a big up in 2023 with many attacks carried out exploiting the file transfer software issue move it and ransom money clearing $1 billion in extorted cryptocurrency payments from victims. Now Chey analysis notes this is a big uptick after ransomware showed declining year over year efficacy as of 2022. So it was a bad year. Open AI announced that its image generator Dolly three will now add watermarks to image metadata using standards from the Coalition for Content Providence and Authenticity the C2PA that has folks like Microsoft on board. So it's a good standards organization. You'll see those watermarks on both the chat GPT website and the API for the Dolly three model. They will include both an invisible metadata component and a visible CR symbol which will appear in the top left corner of each image. Mobile users get access to the feature first starting February 12th. Some Apple Vision Pro users such as myself complained about having to go into an Apple store or repair center or even mail back their unit if they happen to get locked out of their device. Most commonly because somebody forgot a passcode. Although I still stand by the fact that I did not forget my passcode there was something else going on. Vision OS 1.1 beta contains code spotted by 9 to 5 Mac and released Tuesday to developers that adds an option letting users not just developers but users erase all data from a vision probe when they forget a password used to unlock the device. This new alert says this Apple Vision Pro is in a security lockout. You can try and wait. Try your passcode again where you can erase and reset this Apple Vision Pro now. Now it has activation lock on. So you're going to still need an Apple ID password to reactivate the device. But this should keep some people from going into a store that they don't want to go into. Yeah this is just in the beta. So we don't know when we'll get this. My guess is probably within the month. So don't forget your passcode in the next month. Or like Sarah run into inexplicable problems that we still don't quite understand why they happen. But haven't happened again. I suffer so you don't have to. Exactly. That's why we do this. Well X you know X former formerly Twitter hit the number one site that's Twitter dot com X. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It'll it'll redirect to X dot com but they both work. It hit the number one slot among free apps on Apple's App Store on Wednesday. Now you might say is that weird is that significant. Well it was for a very very specific reason. That reason is hashtag Drake video. We're not going to go into too many details about this exact video but it is alleged to be the rapper Drake in a nude situation. So it might be real. It might be fake. We don't know. But overall very NSFW content. Let's just you know we'll leave it right there. X is not new to this though. In fact X has had a lot of you know a lot of folks talking about how the platform is not doing a great job of getting this kind of content off of the platform. In fact we talked about this late in late January when fake AI generated explicit images of Taylor Swift another artist were circulating among users in really big numbers. It led to X at one point blocking all searches for her name all together just in until things got back under control. This seems to be the same idea. Now there's a lot of kind of tea he we can do about this whole thing just because the nature of the video in question. Because he's drinking question. Right. But I think you know you know it does present a bigger problem of you know how does a platform a platform that says we have a zero tolerance policy you know against all sorts of content like this to have such a hard time scrubbing that content from its platform because I looked for it a few times today and it's not gone. Yeah knives are out for X right now. Let's just put that out there in front like people want it to fail. So it can't do enough to satisfy a lot of people out there. That said it's also true that X gutted its trust and safety team. It is much smaller than it used to be. And while the user base has declined a little the user base is still two hundred some million daily active users. That's a lot of users. And that is a very difficult system to deal with when something unusual happens like this when something takes off viral and becomes a problem. So it's no surprise to me that they can't keep up now that this is taken off. Scott do you do you think what do you think about that. Like I don't think anyone disagrees that they should try to keep up and that maybe if they'd kept more people they could try to keep up. Yeah I think that they and should still and I think that they should hire for it if they haven't already or do something because this is going to backfire even though it's a now privately owned concern that entirety of Twitter X. It is still going to be given the number of users and current laws around how we do things on the Internet. They're going to be a lot of scrutiny about this and it's only going to get worse. The fact that people can very easily deep fake something with a with AI and put that video up and even if people know it's AI doesn't matter. This stuff spreads like crazy especially if it involves somebody very popular in this case to musicians could be actors in the future who knows. That pressure is just going to get worse and worse and worse and you're going to have more and more questions about well do we need to step in and try to control this or does do they recede further into the part of the web where you know everything sort of happening willy nilly I don't I don't know what the answer to that is probably if I had to guess if Elon Musk is serious about this the service growing probably doesn't want that so if I were them I would want to hire the right people work on the right technology maybe even more that than this the right people because the tech can go a long way to detect these things and to find out better ways to stop it quick and early so that you're not spending a week trying to sweep up over over a mess and just be faced with another one next week which is probably going to happen and it'll probably happen even more because now this is a thing because people want it to happen because they want the clout of saying I made the thing go viral on X because it's easier to do there and still has a huge audience and has a CEO that that is excited that it has become the number one downloaded app right on the app store I don't think he should be because these people are not going to stick around they're just if they didn't have Twitter installed before they're downloading X just to look for this hashtag and they're probably not going to hang out I mean maybe they will but most of probably well and you mentioned the trust and safety team being you know more or less gutted you know if you are a huge star if you're Taylor Swift if you're Drake if you're I don't know I mean the list goes on that is that's one thing and yeah you're going to get a lot of interest you're going to get a lot of yeah I guess people downloading the Twitter app for the first time even though they didn't have it before type thing I think where people you know really suffer are you know folks who are being exploited who don't have the reach who don't you know no people on high places who can't you know do a lot of stuff about this because when you report things to X at this point it's a little bit of like a well let's wait and see because they they simply aren't putting a lot of their efforts on the platform into helping people who don't have a huge following I yeah I don't know if it's so much a wait and see as it is a we're doing our best right because there's only so many of them they can't do everything yeah that's true and I do worry about people who aren't Drake and who aren't Taylor Swift who have the resources to actually make a giant noise out of this just simple stuff like somebody being you know having their their image used in this way and then there's there's lots of places on the internet where that happens over the top of that Mozilla service that's 899 a month on yesterday to remove that so X wouldn't be alone if it was the kind of place where that could that could happen it could be right up there with a lot of other places yeah I mean if it does if it gets worse on X I guess the I guess the problem is they want it to be a big giant service like Twitter has always been a big player in social media they want to keep that going you can't go further down that hole you have to you have to figure out a way to make it so or you become popular the way pornography becomes popular you're you're not popular with an audience you know that is mainstream and wants to admit it maybe this is what X's future is I mean that's a fair it's a fair point I'm not saying it is but I mean that is an avenue that is sure that's a road they can take yeah in related news Apple has a new large language model this is this entire entire change of tone from from from Drake showing us so much is nude situation or possibly not Drake could be just fake we have no idea we don't know me exactly there definitely do not know I certainly wasn't there Apple and scientists at UC Santa Barbara released an open source multimodal large language model multimodal means it can do text and images and sometimes other things in this case it's text and images it will convert natural language instructions into image edits it's called MLLM guided image editing or MGIE and so you can do the expected things that you would do with any image editor you can say increase the contrast change the brightness make it sharper resize the image change the color texture filter all that stuff change background images you can blend images but you don't need to use those terms to do a lot of the stuff an example they give in their paper is you could tell MGIE take a picture of chocolate donuts with sprinkles and let the donuts have a strawberry glaze on them so if you're not able to see this imagine like you've got a plate full of chocolate donuts with sprinkles and you say let the donuts have strawberry glaze and the model will add the glaze leaving the sprinkles on top and the chocolate visible just underneath on the edges just based on your your natural language you could also tell it to remove the Christmas tree in the background or add lighting and make it add lightning and make the lightning reflect on the water source code data and pre-trained models are available on GitHub you can also try it out on the web if you go to the hugging face spaces platform. So I don't know if you guys have seen these cool there are other large language image generation models and they're not apples but what it feels like apples aiming for is something I've seen before where the demonstration is less about you having a bunch of good prompts and then waiting for it to render and then it does and then you say well of these four images I'll use the fifth but I want to change it some and then you go in and tweak it and then you wait again what I think the future is of this stuff for good or ill is in real time you saying donut boop there's a donut very basic turn it a little bit turns yeah that's what apples that's what apples model is doing here exactly and that is exactly where this is headed that is the smart tax where it is it's where it is you're absolutely right it really is like we did it we advanced it yeah yeah yeah and they and that is where it should go if you're gonna if you're asking me from just sort of a workflow what we're doing prior to this is really I mean it's impressive on its face you're like whoa look I just made a pirate ship or whatever it is you made but then you took forever kind of to do it this is gonna if that's gonna feel like dot matrix printers pretty soon we're gonna be laser into this stuff and it's gonna be real time natural language and that's very interesting it also means a lot more headaches for X sorry to refer to the last story but this stuff's gonna get easier to make but that's but that's the point you're gonna have to sit there and render forever you know a little under the hood for you Scott because I think this will make sense to you particularly if you type make the sky more blue in MGI E it actually has a part of the model that converts that to increase saturation of the sky region by 20% it then hands that to the image generator so that it has it knows exactly what to do so you've got two parts of this thing working I think that's one of the things that makes it unique I think and you know the difference between Scott and me is you know Scott would be like well I could just do this myself you know I know exactly what I kind of you know on on the scale and I'm like remove the Christmas tree yeah I'm the same way make the sky more blue please I don't know what that means yeah whatever right and you know I know you know Photoshop whizzes will shake their heads being like oh shakes fest you know this is this is this is why we're good at that dare they make it faster for me yeah you know these other you know these people don't even know what they're talking about but it does it opens up the the chance to make an image and video going forward in the future so much more interesting yeah it's much faster it really is more of a workflow thing if I'm if I'm honest because this isn't like this isn't like changing the idea of you're making what you want to make you just can be able to make it faster and more intuitively yeah and this is an interesting advance on its own but I think it's even more interesting in the context of the drumbeat of apple issuing scientific papers this was published in a journal with the UC Santa Barbara folks and open sourcing models they remember back in December they had a couple of papers out about a ways to do inferencing on device so you didn't have to use cloud resources and during the earnings call apple said we're going to have a lot of really cool stuff from a I come in later this year there's also the rumors that internally people in apple are saying that the next version of iOS is the biggest change in iOS ever to me it's all leading to apple saying look we've got great AI chops even if we haven't made a big deal out of them by putting out a chat GPT or a Bard and you're going to see them in iOS at WWDC this summer yeah and it's so much more along the apple lines of what they what they want us to think is cool yeah it's not you can program your own spreadsheet in minutes it's not they're not they don't that's boring to them what they want to do is say you can get in there like a dream and you can say these words out of nothing and you're going to be they're going to really go for that Tim Cook right floating two inches above the ground when he announces this because they're open sourcing the models they're like the value isn't in the models let everybody do the models they'll make the models better and that helps us the value is in the implementation and we think we have the special implementation that other people don't just like they weren't the first to do a touchscreen but they thought they had done it better than other people and it turned out well yeah they kind of did man if you have feedback about anything that gets brought up on the show get in touch with us on the socials at DTNS show on X and on MSTDN dot social DTNS show at MSTDN dot social for Mastodon daily tech news show on tiktok and DTNS pics DTNS PIX on Instagram and threads earlier this week we reported on news that Microsoft might be looking to bring some of its game titles like hi-fi rush to other platforms like Sony's PS5 and Nintendo Switch. Now you might say is this a shift away from a console centric model of selling games to one based on game sales overall and games as a subscription even more importantly or a move to head off criticism and potential government regulation over recent studio buying sprees. Scott help us out here. What is the strategy you think. Well a bunch of us are keeping real close sort of contact with the story because it is still evolving. In fact we just heard that Phil Spencer over there Microsoft head of Xbox is going to have a little meeting next week or tell people what's going on. In fact I'll just quote from his ex post where he says we're listening and we hear you. We've been planning on business updates for the next week and we will we look forward to sharing more detail with you about our vision for the future of Xbox. I have a feeling though and I've had a feeling through this entire ordeal despite all the hyperbole that this is just them kind of moving more toward the goals they've already told us they have which is the games service and the IPs and the games themselves are going to be what is where the depth is with Microsoft moving forward. They are less concerned about making sure it's their plastic box under your TV moving into the next generation than they are about you having a monthly subscription to Game Pass or whatever form there are other services may end up taking and I think this is a step in that direction. Unfortunately this step is in mostly rumor and a couple of confirmations. The one confirmation we have is that Hi-Fi rush is for sure coming to at least the switch if not other platforms. It's already on PC of course. So we'll lead PC out of this whole conversation. They're already all on on PC. But Indiana Jones in the great circle big big title coming from Bethesda which is now Microsoft own studio that's being rumored to showing up on PlayStation 5 as well as the Xbox series devices and Starfield which is already out on Xbox series as of last holiday season is rumored pretty heavily to be maybe the first one they announced that's like the big deal like yep this is coming to PlayStation. It is ironic that right around the time of Starfield's announcement or not announcement but as we got closer to launch people were like oh I wish they'd put it on the PlayStation 5 I don't have an Xbox. I was looking forward to the next big Bethesda game. And now they might actually get it. And now that the conversation just turned to you turn coach you're selling the world off to somebody else I can't believe it. So there's a lot of tribalism and stuff going on. I'm going to try to cut through that real quick and explain. Years ago Spencer and others at the company have said look what matters to us the services and the future and the cloud and all this. And it started then to feel like well the hardware is going to be a little bit secondary. They're still going to make some hardware and we're going to get it or not but that's not really the point of the end game is we're going to be playing what they have on lots of stuff including their sixty eight million dollar acquisition of Activision Blizzard King. And we're not there yet. So we're in the short term. And I think in the short term porting stuff to PlayStation will happen. And their continued support of their own Xbox line will also continue in the short term. None of that really changes exclusive titles in the midterm though I think that they will continue to beef up their games for portfolio. And their multi-platform support over time. I still think there might be an Xbox to play all that on in the midterm and even the long term. They may still make that stuff but what will matter most is these services and the cloud. And trying to get competitors to allow their service on them. They've set out loud before we would love to put Game Pass on PlayStation five. Sony is not letting them do that currently. And they would love to do it on on Nintendo and had many discussions with Nintendo about this. And they also have opted out of it. But that doesn't mean they won't in the future depending on Microsoft's you know plans for exclusivity and or hardware moving forward. I have some predictions about the long term. I think it's all about services cloud and the games and the IPs in the studios which they have been spending so much money on. There's no way that they don't care about that most. And they're not going to care what box you played on. I think there's even a possible future and others is positive of this as well so it's not just me but I think there's a possible future where Microsoft makes a handheld and that device is maybe like a switch or a steam deck and its sole purpose is to play your Microsoft Game Pass life on that may be hard drive and it may actually have hardware to run it or maybe purely cloud based. I don't know. But it would be an opportunity for them to say. Hey we got a thing. So if you don't want to play this stuff over the cloud in your notebook that's fine. You can buy this or play it on your PlayStation or play it on your PC or play it in a thousand other ways. We don't care where you play it as long as you're playing our games. And I really feel like that's where they're planting their flag. This is Microsoft's strategy with office and surface devices. Yeah. Right. It's the same strategy which is like you want to make office available on as many platforms as possible. So people use it. But you're also making your own hardware the surface as sort of a flagship demonstration of you know the best version of Microsoft software. Yeah it feels to me and I think you're echoing it exactly. There this is their this is their strategy from the top down like the entire company is this now these days. And and and having them having them do the same thing on the Xbox line is not should not be surprising. Yeah. Especially because they have been signaling it and outright saying this sort of stuff for years. This isn't new. I think a lot of Xbox faithful were just like well look at Microsoft they're beefing up everything. This is going to be incredible. They're going to own everybody and everything. Sony off to sell. They'll have to buy Sony. Sony will be so in much trouble. And it's not. It's not bad. It isn't that. That was never the plan. The plan was always like getting mad that Netflix made itself available on anything but the Roku. Right. Right. That's exactly right. And then and the thing about that is will Microsoft succeed? Like there's big questions. Is this strategy a good one? Do we have all the details yet? No. Maybe next week we'll have a big enlightenment. I don't know. But do we know if it's going to be a surefire success? We don't. But they are betting on what the future of gaming is and the future of gaming looks a lot like what Microsoft thinks it's going to look like. How much will they help shape that end end times thing scenario? I don't know. How much will their competition do that? What would this do? If Mike I mean it's fun to think about if they pulled out of console hardware all together. What does that actually do to this very competitive business? Does Sony suddenly have kind of a monopoly on the high end and Nintendo just does what Nintendo does and nobody's there to challenge Sony. Nobody kind of nobody really wants that. We think it's good to have that healthy competition and keep everybody going. Does somebody step in and does Atari or somebody come from the grave Sega and go, hey, well, we'll get back into this race. I mean, those are all crazy ideas, but I'm I cannot wait to see if they do pull out of hardware. What happens there? Because that's fascinating. But what they're counting on is they have all the games right now and they do. They have a ton. Yeah. And Satya Nadella has been running Microsoft as a cloud company since day one. He stepped in and was like, no, we don't make money of the way we did in the 90s off windows. Look at Azure. That's where all the money is. Make money off cloud. Put office in the cloud. Everyone's like, nobody wants office in the cloud. Now everybody has office in the cloud. And then he's hoping the same can be true for games. Yeah, he might be right. All right. Well, Satya, Scott thinks you might be right. Hope you like that. Let's check out the network. Martin wrote in on Patreon saying following up on the thoughts of LinkedIn, also owned by Microsoft, being more of a serious social network, as many people think that it is. Microsoft also thinks so. Martin says, in Bing co-pilots compose tab, if you select funny as the tone and LinkedIn post as the format, it replies with, I'm sorry, but I cannot generate text with a funny tone for a LinkedIn post. LinkedIn is a professional network and a funny tone may be inappropriate or harmful to your reputation. Please choose a different tone or a different format for your text. Wow, buzz kill anyone. Geez, don't be funny. No, just trying to have a little x.com fun. Hey, it's just a joke, LinkedIn. Gosh. That's interesting. Yeah, interesting voice to that. I have two minds on that, right? Like, I get it. Like, yeah, it's probably better if you're applying for a job not to try to be funny as your primary mode. Yeah, you could you could show a little sense of humor, but don't don't write it in a funny tone. On the other hand, I'm like, well, but also like jokes and humor within bounds that don't go over the line or fine in a business context. In fact, that, you know, opening your business presentation with a joke is a time-honored tradition. So I don't know. Derek, who works in the advertising industry, chimed in on our blue sky discussion from yesterday's Good Day Internet says most of the Twitter slash X alternatives are not ad supported. At least not yet. I'd be surprised if that wasn't their long term goal. Unlike restaurants, most social platforms, if not all, end up going into an ad supported model or are part of an ad supported company where they're used for data ingestion. Even Reddit has been shifting their platform to be even more advertiser friendly. And I would add to Derek's point here, you know, look at Netflix adding ads, Amazon adding ads to prime video, etc. When it comes to advertising, scale and reach is still most important. Sure, there are small properties that offer very targeted and niche communities, but they often stagnate or end up being bought out by larger competing platforms. It's not to say there'll be one platform that will rule them all, but I would imagine we will see a consolidation across these Twitter slash X alternatives in the coming years as opposed to having wide myriad choices. That might be blue sky's advantage. If it can get to enough scale is to be able to say, we will offer an ad network across instances, you can opt in or not if you want it and then make money off of that versus having to be a centralized platform. There are ways to, you know, traffic ads on decentralized platforms. Look at podcasting, for example. Well, Scott Johnson, you know a thing or two about podcasting. So let folks know where they can keep up with your work when you're not with us. Well, they can sure do that over at frogpants.com. All the podcasts and art stuff is there. Speaking of art, I have this limited time. I think there might only be like eight of these left. Limited edition, four prints that I created that are all on a zombie theme. It's got a Spongebob zombie and a zombie's Bambi, which I call a Zambi. George Decay instead of George Decay. Anyway, a bunch of dumb ideas. And there are four of them all hand signed and only 10 bucks and no shipping. It doesn't even matter if you live overseas. So we're doing this one quick runoff on the show or on the store. I would recommend people grab it quick because they are literally almost gone. Head on over to frogpants.com slash store and check it out today. If you did a zombie version of me, it'd be a Zambi. It would be a Zambi. You're right. And this is a Zambi for Sarah. Yeah. And a Rajambi for Roger. Rajambi. A dance. A Zambi. And a Joby for Joe. There you go. We got them all. Got the beats going on. All right, folks. If you are a patron and if you're not, well, you know, not everybody's perfect, but patrons stick around for the extended show. Good day, internet. We keep waiting for Apple to make a foldable and the information has the latest inside info, which is you'll still have to keep waiting for a couple of years. But do we need to? Or can foldables succeed just fine without Apple? Stick around, we'll discuss. Just a reminder, we do the show live and we'd love to have you join us live. If you can, Monday through Friday at 4 p.m. Eastern, 2100 UTC and you can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live. We're talking about that ESPN, Fox, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Megasport streaming service with Justin Rubber Young. Join us tomorrow and talk to you then. The DTNS Family of Podcasts. Helping each other understand. The Diamond Club helps you have enjoyed this program. I don't know why, but I keep expecting Howard's voice to finish with an echo on the DTNS Family of Podcast thing. Understand, stand, stand. Understand. It's a little more spacey. It could get weird, like helping each other understand or not. Stand or not. It's not that I want it to. I'm not saying it should, I just like, my brain is like anticipating that. I don't know why. I just wanted to interject about the zombie Roger. It would be Raj Zombie. Oh, Raj Zombie. Obviously, yes, of course. Obviously. Duh. Yeah, just wanted to add that. Great band, great band. I'd love Dwight Zombie and Rob Zombie in the day. I mean, I think we can say that we love them in the present. Yeah? Well, you know, Rob's cool. If you do. Yes, you can. Right? Yeah. I'm not telling you how. It was not like a posthumous thing. Like, oh yeah. Yeah, they're not gone. Yeah. You know what else is gone for most of you? The chance to vote on a title, because most of you will listen to this later. But if you're live right now, you know, like Rob Zombie, go to showbot.tv. Rob Zombie, very obviously, listens to this live. Hey, Rob, good to see you. If you're listening live, go to showbot.tv. Slash DTNS2, vote on the titles there. All right, let's talk a little bit more about what Apple is doing with foldables. This is just a rumor that is never going to die, but we have a little bit more information that makes it seem like more of a real thing. The information reports that Apple might for sure, for sure, for real this time be making foldable phones. Two clamshell style foldable iPhones are reportedly in early stage prototypes, wouldn't likely see the light of day until 2026. All right, so yeah, you know, let's call it two years from today. Maybe sooner, probably not. The report also says that Apple engineers are trying to address the technical issues that foldable smartphones have in general, you know, and higher prices for foldables as a result of trying to fix some of this stuff, such as creases and, you know, a lot of consumers being like, is it for me? All that stuff. Yeah, yeah, they wanna make the, according to the information anyway, they wanna make the phone the same size as a foldable as it would be with, as not a foldable. And that's hard to do, especially because batteries are big and you can't put as much battery when you have to have a hinge, obviously getting rid of the crease. If Apple can do that, everybody's gonna cheer because that's the one thing. They've gotten better, you know, like I don't really notice the crease on my pixel fold all the time, but it's there, you know, and if they can make it go away, then, you know, that would help. So I don't know, I was not surprised by this. The information has some interesting stuff that are justified as an article, but I'm like, yeah, we know they're working on a foldable. And when I got to the part that were like, but they won't be putting one out this year or next year, I'm like, well, then really nothing has changed. We got a little more information about what's in their roadmap, but Apple's saying it's not good enough for us yet. So that's what makes me wonder, like, I don't know, it seems like maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like every other category think tablets or think even smartphones was not even close to being acceptable to the mainstream audience when Apple walked in and made it acceptable to the mainstream audience, right? Tablets were considered a dead category when they introduced the iPad, and smartphones were something for like really nerdy hardcore tech folks, not for your general audience, and the iPhone made it for everyone. I think foldables are not nerdy hardcore tech audience. Foldables are just a little pricey right now, but otherwise they're perfectly usable. And I think especially things like the flip are mainstream. Yeah, and I think they would make, I think they would make something that would be very consumer focused from the get go maybe a little different than what we're expecting from current foldables anyway. And I would be really curious to see it because what does that mean? Like they usually do something that is not the normal or it's so normal that they've really made it basic or something. I just don't know what their take would be because to make it kind of the Apple take requires something special. And I don't know what that is. Maybe it's the thinnest foldable anyone's ever made. It's probably that, probably a thin feature, probably so many folds, but we don't even have to tell you what the fold limit is or some weird thing like that. I could imagine it being like, look at this new iPhone, isn't it great? But here's the thing, it's actually folded. You didn't know because it didn't look thick. Yeah. I like that. I want to see them though. I really do. Like I'm genuinely curious because I've been skeptical of foldables. Your experience with them helped me kind of understand them more, but I'm still not entirely sure what the big huge advantage would be for me. It's flexibility, get it? But it is the flexibility to be like, oh, I need a bigger screen. Boom. Now I've got a bigger screen. I don't find that so compelling that I want to spend a lot of money on it. I did because I got a discount through Google Fi and some other ways and I wanted to try it. But if it's the same price as a regular phone that's not foldable, I'll take foldable. Like it gives you the added flexibility and at least with the Pixel, and I think this is pretty true of the Galaxy, the Galaxy Folds now too, they work great folded just like a normal phone. They don't feel particularly weird. Right. And I think that's what Apple's going is, let's get the particularly out of that. Let's make it go, they don't feel weird at all. Just feels like I have a normal phone. Yeah. That's what they would have to achieve. And I think it needs to be like, if I have a foldable phone, let's say, when it's unfolded, it's the size of a current Pro Max. When it's folded, what do they do that's neat? Like, that's where I feel like they'll do weird stuff. It'll be like, when it's folded, it'll do these 20 things that no other phone has ever done. And I don't know what that is. I just have a feeling that's where they would focus a lot of their attention because once your phone's fully open, it's just a phone, right? Yeah, because the information's saying it's clamshell. So it's Galaxy Flip. Like that sort of like when it's closed, it's half size. So what do they do that's like, you've never made better use of a smaller screen than... Yeah, like I'm getting watch vibes kind of from what that would be. I'm not saying it would be like a watch, but they would have to get real weird about getting all magical about what the features are on the outside. What info does it show when it's folded? And how do you customize that? And, you know, like is it LED or is it some kind of OLED all the way around kind of deal? And like there's all kinds of questions, but I don't know. I always like it when they try to do stuff like this. It's like, it's a little like the Vision Pro. You just, you do it the way Apple does it, the way they're going to do it. And then we get to decide whether that's any good or not. And it's either the Pippin or it's the iPhone. You've got the Newton Pippin end of the scale and the iPhone end of the scale. Yeah, exactly. It's always fun to watch it, you know? I mean, if my, you know, I am not willing to go down in size on my iPhone Pro Max. I've had that for years. That's, you know, that that is the size, I can't imagine having a smaller phone, but having that phone that can be smaller when in a, you know, small bag or in a back pocket or whatever. It's like, if I can have that, but also that, now we're talking, I would want that. I would because there are many times, I mean, my little, my little fanny pack that I use, like my phone barely fits in this thing. Or bum bag for those of you in the U.S., bum bag. Yes, I know. This is, you know, sometimes like a tee he type thing. You know, we're all, we're, we're full of that today on the show. But, but yeah, I mean, that, that actually matters. You know, that, that's cool. Right now I can't. So I'm like, well, just as big as it is. Definitely too big for any of my pockets. But, but yeah, to have the same experience that can fold up is great. And I don't even really need anything on the outside. Just the, just the folding part would be pretty cool. They might convince me. Like that's, that's what I look forward to is, cause right now I can't think of why I care about it folded, but unfolded, it's obvious. Folded is the point. And I think that's why Apple isn't rushing to do it. Because, you know, I do think they are left behind in a way they aren't usually on these things where like the pixel fold, the galaxy flip, even the, the, the razor, the Motorola one, they're, they're all very good phones. But Apple does have the advantage of neither one of y'all are going to leave iOS for a foldable, right? It's not that compelling yet. And so Apple knows it's got time to come up with the perfect thing for them, which they might never do. They may, they may never solve it, right? They never solved it with the universal charger thing. They announced it and then they said, no, we actually couldn't get it to work. So we're not putting it out. And foldables may be that way for Apple. They may never get it to the point where they like it. But I'm guessing they will. And at that point, then, then they'll put it out and the iOS people will like it and it won't hurt them to be late. Right. Yeah. That's their, that's their way. Yeah. They've carved out time. That's, I don't know how they did it or why they get away with it, but they've carved, they've carved out their ability to kind of get behind. Because they keep you with other ways. They keep you in the ecosystem in other ways. And so they know that as long as they keep developing and keep giving you enough new stuff and keep with the times and Apple TV Plus and Apple Music, et cetera, then they don't have to rush a foldable out. They don't, even if they're behind, they can, they have the luxury of saying, let's wait until we get it right. Because if you're somebody who's like, man, I really need the foldable, you can get a perfectly great foldable right now. You just have to switch to Android. But a lot, for some people that, that may not be a big deal. They're like, yeah, whatever, all the apps are the same. I'll just switch to Android. But for a lot of people that gives them pause. They're like, ooh, but I have so many things. I mean, I know I can get Apple Music on Android, but it's not the same. And do I want to, do I want to bother? Do I want to make the switch so much easier to stay? Right? Just so much easier to stay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice place to be though. Plus you have the biggest market cap in the world and, you know, cash, cash for days. Not anymore. Well, that's true. But the point being. A close to. But you've got so much that you've, you've been able to sandbag your releases in a way that nobody else can quite get away with. It feels like, I mean, maybe they can get away with it, but Apple's very good at going, you've seen this before, but now look at how it's perfected. And we did it better. And then, and then kind of take over the category in a lot of cases. The watch is a good example. I mean, as much as that freaking headset costs, they sold a ton of those already. Like, I don't think it's going to be mass market levels of selling them at that price, but this is what they do. This is literally their business. So I wouldn't be surprised if a foldable was, was super interesting when they get up and talk about it. Whether I buy one or not. I feel like the iPad is a better bet if they can get rid of the crease. Getting rid of the crease is also difficult, but that's, it seems easier than getting the batteries slim enough. Yeah. Without some new battery tech coming along, which, you know, don't rule that out, but it's less likely. And I feel like an iPad is just perfect for the Apple style foldable. Yeah. And I could go, well, whatever. I've been begging them for, I would pay for a 24 inch iPad, but I have very specific selfish reasons why I want one. And maybe I don't want that foldable. I don't know. I don't know what I want there. Help me out, Apple. Help me Apple one, Kenobi. Ha, ha, ha, ha. You're my, the fourth hope. The fourth estate. What? Yes. You're a hope, but I have others, but still, yeah. Yeah. So our good friend, Neil Dash, has always has provocative columns and blog posts. And the one from yesterday is no exception. The title is Wherever You Get Your Podcasts is a radical statement. That's that thing at the end of podcast where people say, you know, find us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And then Neil points out. Yeah, you hear that everywhere. He points out that like, what other platform is like that? Podcasts are unique in continuing to be an open ecosystem that no one has locked up. So that big podcasts, you know, Joe Rogan being one of the few exceptions, but big podcasts from NPR, the BBC, the Economist are available across platform just by default. Everybody's available on cross-platform because that's the way it works. And I like this. I like a Neil's take on this because he's always fairly optimistic. And he points out like, we are moving from a closed ecosystems to open ecosystems a little bit at a time these days, you know, with Mastodon and Blue Sky. And it's really interesting to point out that podcasts never stopped being that open ecosystem for creators. Mm-hmm. No, that's true. I say it all the time. And sometimes it feels a little rote like we've all been saying it since the mid 2000s because we have, but I'd never thought of it like this until I read this. I've never thought about that very hard. It's the one piece of this that I love the most. It's the reason I got into it in the first place. There's a democracy to it, the ability for anybody with a microphone and a computer or some way of posting MP3s to make something and put it in places where people can get it and get it actively without subscriptions, without having to dig through, you know, some crazy platform they hate or whatever. They can have many platforms they hate and find the one they like. Like it doesn't matter. They can go wherever they want. There have been efforts, Spotify is one of them, efforts to close in some stuff, make it harder for it to be out in other places. But for the most part, it's the one medium that sort of stayed, you know, like you think of YouTube, you can't just say, well, forget my video wherever you get videos. No one says that. No. You say get it on YouTube or I stream on Twitch or whatever. It can be true, but usually people say like go to my YouTube channel, go to my Twitch channel or go to my YouTube or my Twitch channel. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, a lot of this is RSS based, right? Well, podcasts are RSS based. Yes. And that's what makes them open versus video, which you can do video over RSS, but you don't usually say get video wherever you get video, right? Because the video you post on YouTube is usually different. It's because it's a lock in, right? It's not the same as podcasts where I post my podcast on A-cast in our case, but wherever you post your podcast, you post it. And then the RSS feed is picked up by everybody. It's not like, oh, I have to post my podcast to my RSS, but only some people are going to use that. So I have to go to the big podcast aggregate. I don't have to go upload it separately to Apple Podcasts which would be the equivalent of YouTube, I guess. I think it's because podcasts came out so early that the portability that was inherent in the file structure just kind of spun out from there. And it's interesting, if you watch video, video was very ad hoc. And so it gave the opportunity for larger, at least well-cached out players to kind of lock in key content in a way that, when people were worried about audio, they were worried about licensed music, whether it was like a label or something. They were less concerned about the distribution of creator-generated shows or music. As Kelly2909 points out, it's not just RSS, it's also the aggregators that tend to be open as well. So it's both sides. You've seen the podcast from both sides now. Anyway, the final line of this Anil Dash article, I think is really provocative. He says, in this era where we're seeing the renaissance of the open web, they point the way toward a future where we could use the same tone to say, wherever you find your news or wherever you find your friends online and know that it means that there's a way that our lives online could be fully in our own control. I mean, wouldn't that be nice? I would love that. I would love that. I mean, that's, it feels like this is, this is another of my underwives. Well, he's saying podcasts did it and it's been around for 20 years. So why can't we do it? It's not that we can't or whatever. It just feels like if, I mean, you know, the Spotify's, the Apple's, the whatever's of the world who saw what happened from that groundswell are all going, shoot, why weren't we there early? We should have locked that in. With the idea and locked it down. I know they think that way. I am absolutely sure of it. So we should fight for the rest of our lives to keep this particular medium open because not too many will. New ones, old ones, they're all, they all try to get, you know, monetized by people that aren't you. And I love that this is that way. I'm glad he brought this up because I haven't been giving that the appreciation that I used to. Used to be like a big deal. It was like, hey, you know what these, these are like, you don't need the radio. You don't need this. You don't have someone telling you what to say or what not to say. Like that stuff is, stuff is important and it stumps somehow stuck through all this and we should, we should cherish it. Yeah. Particularly, I mean, the news one is good too but I particularly like wherever you find your friends online can you imagine if instead of us having to say here's our account on mastodon and here's our account on X and here's our account on Instagram. Like, sure we could be better and like try to get one ID across all of those but wouldn't it be cool if you just said follow Daily Tech News show wherever you follow things. And it was like, you choose whatever server out there you're going to use just like with podcast you choose your friend aggregator and then find us and we'll be there. Yeah. Well, and the tech folks already know how to do that but it's like the new person who's sort of like, oh, there are you know how to do what though? Like it doesn't work that way. Well, they know how to aggregate whatever they want to consume. But you can't, you can't follow me on Facebook with the same account that I have on X that's what I'm saying. It would be great if I just say, follow Tom Merritt wherever you follow people. And it's not, well, here's my account on Facebook but I have to remember to post differently to Facebook as to Twitter, right? It's, I'm going to post one place and you can follow it whatever aggregator you're using just like podcasts. Yeah, it's like AOL wanted us to stay there. That was the idea. Here's the original walled garden on the internet. This is awesome. Check it out all the stuff we have. Stay in here. There is no other internet. This is the internet. It was a lie. There was way more. And when we finally broke free of those chains and got there, we should have kept thinking that way. Instead, web 2.0 came along and said, we're the platforms that you're gonna put all this stuff on. Well, part of it is, I mean, again there's a port, there's an inherent port. I mean, MP3s were kind of designed this way, but there's an inherent portability in that file format. With video, it took a while until you could get something that, more or less you could stick on something under a gigabyte storage device and carry it around with you. But in a way, it sort of reminds you of how people used to have their own web pages and you just subscribe to their blog or whatever. And it would be kind of cool if you could do that and you wouldn't be limited to, it can only be pictures or it can only be so many characters or it has to be this and that. But at the same time, there is an appeal for end users that all the stuff is the same. So not the same, but in the same format. So I don't have to endlessly scroll through a bunch of pictures. I don't wanna say I'll go through Tumblr if I wanna do that. Or if I just wanna listen to music, I can filter out by that through Spotify or whatever. And Sang points out, I don't need a user ID to subscribe to a podcast. Right? You don't have to create an account necessarily. Some places you do some places you don't but you can find an aggregator that doesn't make you create an account. Yeah, plenty of them don't. And I post my podcast in just one place and then anybody can use any of those aggregators whatever one they choose. That's the beauty of it. It is the beauty of it. And it's a different way of, it's a psychological, just a different way of looking at it. And nobody else, and we don't think of those other things like that with video, we just think, well, it's YouTube, of course. Well, I don't really control that. They could, you know, I don't think it'll blow up tomorrow and nothing, we could do nothing about it. It's like not ours. If I could post, if we could post our DTNS video, the way we do to an RSS feed, and then it showed up on YouTube, that'd be great. Great. Yeah, let that be one of the players. One of the options to play it at would be YouTube. Like that's exactly right, Kyle. Everybody would be like, that's great. Saves us a couple of steps, makes sense. I would, YouTube can still run ads. Let them insert ads, because it's for the platform. Let people still buy premium to avoid them. It doesn't matter. Honestly, I don't think anyone would be against just, you know, swallowing the cost of, you know, storage for files themselves. If that were... I mean, somebody would, but yeah, most people probably could deal with it. Most people wouldn't care. Yeah, in a lot of cases. Or would think it's a... It's a, I think it would be a pretty equitable trade-off, because you can get this. I see people saying activity pub, the app protocol, you know, there's ways to do this. This is not a technology problem. The technology exists to do everything we're talking about. Like obviously Mastodon is trying to do for following your friends, what I'm saying. The question is, can we just, can we make that happen? How do we, you push that forward? And threads interacting with Mastodon, I think is one way to kind of accelerate that. Because the problem is there's a lot of people who are like, I don't wanna create another account. Like if I create a Mastodon account, then I have to remember to post there too. It's a little chicken and an egg problem, right? If everything was in the Fediverse, then no one would have an excuse not to create a Fediverse account. But there's people like, I don't wanna have to create a new thing and then add to my list of things, places to post, forget it. Call me when it's massively popular. But if you don't get those people in large enough numbers, it'll never get massively popular. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. I would love that. I feel like we missed a couple opportunities. And every time you post, that automatic becomes, you know, that goes into your RSS and anyone who follows it on whatever aggregator. Or it doesn't even have to be RSS, but yeah, it could be RSS or whatever. Like the idea is you do it once and it's in all the places. It's in all the places. It's anywhere you wanna get it, exactly. And I love the idea of news being that way. If a news publisher can post something the way we post podcasts and you could be like, oh, I'm gonna subscribe to the Wall Street Journal and the Economist and the LA Times on my news aggregator versus having to get an app for each one of those and then have a separate log in for each one of those. Yeah, it's, yeah. It would be great for shows too, for like just streaming. Oh, heck yeah. It'd be great for everything. Like, yeah, for content we create. You know, I get why Netflix wants people on Netflix so they make their own content and that's the only place you can get it. Yeah, I mean, it's like such a weird thing like you can only go to the library of magazines if you wanted to check out magazines or if you could only go to the library of novels if you wanted to check out a novel. Yeah. Oh, I had to go to the sci-fi library, not the mystery library. Boy, this calculus textbook sucks. Can you imagine? It's all confusing. Yeah, I love, I love the thinking of it. I just don't know how anyone lets go of that stuff now. Real quickly before you wrap up, what movie did you watch last night, Sarah? Oh yeah. Oh my gosh, thank you. Scott Johnson. Yes, ma'am. When was, if ever, the time that you watched a Clockwork Orange? Oh, I was in high school and it was a very long time ago. Let's say that. Okay, all right, fine. Okay, so the first time that I watched it, I had to do it for like a class in college. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, like, but like I wasn't like in, you know, at school time. I, you know, got the VHS, you know, watched it at home and was like, well, that sucked. Very, very upsetting movie. For some reason, I don't know why. For some reason. Last night I was like, I got a couple hours to spare. Let's do it. Well, the best way to relax that I could think of right now was watching a Clockwork Orange. It was, it was more about like, because I remember coming away, you know, from it like, you know, at age 20, 21, you know, and being like, I can't handle things like this, you know? But I like cinema, you know? So like, maybe, maybe sometime later, it will hit different. Uncle's got milk. Let's watch a Clockwork Orange. I mean, it's a, it was different. I feel like, okay, I kind of see what they were doing here. But man, that's a tough watch. Here's what I, here's what I do once in a while. This is so funny because you did exactly what I do. I will do this. I will occasionally just get a hankering for a Stanley Kubrick movie. And most of the movies I like from him are disturbing for me. This is one I find 2001 really uncomfortable. Some people do. It's boring, but I find it very uncomfortable. Oh, I love it. Oh, it's so uncomfortable. It's great. I don't, I don't dislike it. It's an amazing movie, but that's why I watch it now and again, but I really, and I feel this way about full metal jacket. They're like really kind of hard to watch in some ways, but there is something about his particular voice, even the shining where I just, I gotta get in there again and just kind of check in with my Kubrick vibe, you know? There's an OCD aspect of his movies that makes you kind of wanna keep scratching away until you find the next layer. Yeah, he's very interesting. And one of the things is when I watched Clockwork Orange, I watched it in high school because I was reading about it. It's like, man, I really wanna watch this movie. And so I rented it. And I remember watching it then and watching it maybe like five years ago. My attitude toward it is totally different because when I watched it in high school, it's like, wow. And now when I look at it, it's like, it's a little tamer than I remembered. Tamer? It's like, oh gosh, I don't think I, I did not think it was tame at all. Like I remember, okay, I remember last night not even 24 hours ago where I was like, all right, let's do it. I've got my broccoli, we're fine, everyone's safe. Broccoli and ultraviolet, it's the perfect game. But like, it felt so dated in kind of a fun way where you're like, oh, I can see where like, I could just sort of disassociate with some of the stuff and try to like figure out like, what the actual takeaway is supposed to be. But I still don't really know. I don't really know. It was like, sorry, spoilers, you know, bad kids, get in trouble, the badder kids are there, you know, the people in charge and no one wins. Yay. Yeah, well, it's a comment on British society It's a time, right? And this thing's what wins. It's basically saying the promise of Britain has been abandoned. It's 52 years old, so that's a lot. I thought, I mean, it was pretty good at foreshadowing a few things. Yeah, like milk bars and toothpick eye openers. And toothpick eye openers. Yeah, absolutely. We get those all the time now. That's just tame stuff. Yeah. I mean, and yeah, for anybody who's sort of like, maybe I should watch it, please do with caution. It is, it is, it's a very, very disturbing adult movie. Yeah, yeah. Let's wrap this up with a palette cleanser. Folks in chat, what should Sarah watch to clean out Clockwork Orange tonight? What is the palette cleanser? I mean, it's something good. And don't say Lassie, all right? Oh, if you watch A Stranger Than Fiction with Will Ferrell. It's a great sci-fi movie. That is a good movie. I've seen it. Really heartwarming at the end. That is a heartwarming movie. I love it. Biocow says quiz lady. Questar says office space. That's a good one. Toy Story G-Pig 84. Anchorman, Willie Scott knows you. Yeah. Well, you know. Savannah Smiles. Yeah. Sound of music. Savannah Smiles, oh my gosh. That's twice that's come up this week. Happy death day. Time Traveler's wife Mad Max Fury wrote. Princess Bride. Kate Davis just playing up the Scott. Yeah, he's trying to. A League of their own Princess Bride is a good one. Oh, I like that movie. It's good. This is the style of the pack. This is Princess Bride, like, out 100 times. But a League of their own, I've only seen the once. I could be kind of fun. We watched the Burbs for Film Sack. That was really fun. Oh, I tried to get into it. And I was just like, the burbs is great, dude. This is Tom Hanks and where they be, OK. And other people. Yeah. And Princess Leia, yeah. Big thanks to Eddie, who gave us a raise. Thank we earned it. We did it. We said we should try to earn a raise and we did. And Eddie gave us one. Thank you, Eddie. Yeah, Eddie. Also thanks to everybody who's continuing to give us ideas for the bonus show. Great ideas on there. Keep them coming, folks. Patreon.com slash DTNS till tomorrow. Have a good day. Good day. Have a good day. Oh, right. 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