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Enjoy this podcast. I can talk about the Mello all day long because of the results I've been feeling from that. Have you tried taking it during the day? I haven't done during the day. I have done like earlier in the evening, like on a weekend when I'm like, I don't need to go to sleep. I just want to kind of chill. Totally works. Yeah. No, it's, I'm blown away by how it makes me sleep. I don't know if it's affecting you guys the same way, but this is like no bullshit, no commercial talk. Like it's literally, I drink it every, I, this is how serious am I about it? I bought outside of what we have here, right? So I bought my own two boxes and I set up in my master bedroom. I got those little, those little, the small water bottles because they mix well. That's all you need. And so I literally have like 60 water bottles on the dresser inside there and then I have the whole setup. You have a Ned Mello station? I do. We have a Mello station. It's right next to the couch. So before we put the kids to sleep and then we spend time together just chilling. Like we'll both take a Mello and it's just been game-changing. I'm that serious about it. I'll take a picture of what my setup on it. No, it's legit. We must be deficient. Yeah. That's the bottom line for me. I've been telling you guys for years you guys are deficient. You know what? Try this if you guys want to have some fun. I see you drinking black cold brew nitro coffee. Yeah. Have it. That's my other favorite. Have it with some coffee. Oh, with coffee? Oh, don't mix it in the coffee. No, I know. So have it first, then drink a strong cup of coffee. And it'll be like just being normal. No, no, no, it doesn't work like that. No, and of course take your theanine. It's really nice. I kind of want to do that right now. Yeah, I'll give it a try. I mean, I definitely tried your theanine addition to the coffee and that was a great way to extend that caffeine buzz. It makes it last longer. It's not too high. It's smooth. It's sharp. It's a wonderful combination. I will try that. I wouldn't have thought that. That actually makes me want to try that. Doug, are you getting up to go get me one? Is that what you're doing? Oh, hell yeah. You can't mix it in the coffee. No, just give me some water. You need to dry scoop it? I heard that. Yeah, I don't want to dry scoop it. I heard that dry scooping is the problem. You have the tight parts. Rest in peace, mind pump, Adam. Did you guys know that today is the anniversary, as of the recording of the show, right? We released the show later on, but it's the anniversary of the OJ Chase on TV. What year? 1994. Wow, 1994. I'm almost positive. Let me look it up. That does not seem like that long ago. Am I tripping? Am I tripping? Was it longer than that? No, no, that sounds right because I remember. 1994. Yeah. It was June 17. Changed the association with White Broncos forever. Okay. So do you guys remember, I think almost everybody who was old enough to pay attention, do you guys remember what you were doing when this happened? I mean, we were all pretty young. We're like freshmen. I remember where I was, but I definitely remember watching it at my friend's house. Yeah, I was seventh grade, seventh grade, and it was at my house. We had those, we had a Magnavox TV, the 32 inch that's in the wood frame. Yeah, this is like remarkably descriptive. Big old tube one, right? Like those heavy ones? Yeah. It sat on the floor and had the wood sides and everything like that. Oh, that one. Yeah. It weighed like 900 pounds for a 32 inch TV. This is why we're so weak now, by the way. TVs are light. Yeah. Then you're always the friend that has to move your friend from one stupid apartment to another, and then they have that like ridiculous TV. We actually, my, I think the last, the dying of that, right? My buddy had the 30 inch, 36 inch, I think is the biggest tube TVs ever got, right? And he had one of those super heavy. He lived on the third floor and he was just... I remember holding those with like the tips of my fingers. Yeah, because it wasn't like they had handles. No, there was nowhere to grab it. And they were odd the way the weight was distributed. I feel like they made them out of cast iron, you know, I don't know. Like they're so heavy. It's like lead inside there. It goes to the YouTube audience right here. Show the color. Look how nice this looks. Yes, this is lavender. That's my favorite flavor too, lavender. Actually, I like the regular. The unflavored. No, I like the flavored. Unflavored is, and actually tastes good. So let me know how chill I am by the end of this podcast. Watch what happens, everybody. By the end of the podcast, you should be saying smart stuff. Finally. So... I don't think it's a cognitive boost, is it? Yeah. Well, caffeine, plus that. Yeah. Oh yeah. You'll have some increased verbal fluency, for sure. So did you guys know that the OJ Chase, right? That word, this is the anniversary of? Yeah. It's the most in history watched televised event ever, still to this day. More so than like the moon. Anything. Landing. 95 million people watch that every minute of that. Are you serious? Yes. I did not know that. Till this day, it's the most watched. Wasn't after that, was after that cops the show or was cops before that? Yeah, because I remember that was like huge. Cops is before that. That's been around a long time. Yeah, yeah, cops have been around. Yeah, because people have been super fascinated with car chases and, you know, like busting people. So OJ not going to jail was pretty remarkable because, I mean, there's more of the case in this, but let's just, okay, his ex, like his wife was found murdered with her lover that she was cheating on OJ with, so they're both murdered. Right. So cops go to OJ and instead of being like, what's going on? He gets in his Bronco and takes off. It takes off. Yeah. Doesn't look guilty at all. Yeah. For doing that. For miles, helicopters are filming this and we're all glued to our TV. Like, what is going on right now? Yeah. OJ is online. And he's a massive like star. I mean, he was, you know, just from his time in the NFL, but also like the naked gun. Yeah. He was making his TV rounds. The most gangster move of all is writing a book. If I did it, this is how I do it. Oh my God. Bro. Hey, do you remember his? I actually, that's been on my list to read for forever. And I've never, I've never, I don't want to give him money. Yeah. Cause he gets money if you buy that shit. That's the thing. So his, obviously his lawyer, one of his lawyers was the, you know, Kim Kardashian's dad. That's how they got famous and all that stuff. Right. Yeah. OJ's, he was good friends. They were family friends. Yeah. Yeah. They were close family friends. But do you remember his other lawyer was named Johnny Cochran? Yeah. And he's like, if the glove don't fit, you must quit. You must quit. Yeah. Cause he was like, like he couldn't put the glove on, but come on. He was even trying, bro. He was even pulling it hard. I remember that was the definitive part of the case where the jury is just like, Oh, I guess if the glove doesn't fit, we must quit. That must happen. What a crazy time that was. But I didn't know that it was the most. I looked this up yesterday. Actually, I didn't look it up. I saw an article. Fascinating fact. 95 million Americans were glued to the. Now, when you looked it up, did it give a list of like the top five or other ones that are closed? Cause I don't even know. There was literally an article about that. It was interesting to speculate what you think are the most, the most watched. Yeah. Obviously this was the United States. You know, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. It was an international like news. I don't think. I mean it was, but I don't know if in 1994. I just wonder if other countries were paying attention to. Yeah. I think they were. I think it was international. It was like a big deal. Yeah. Our news, our big news usually does make it overseas. Well, especially if it's a celebrity, right? Right. So I think that's. Sad too. Cause he was a badass in the NFL. A badass dude. Yeah. Him. He was great in tech mobile. The orange juice express. I don't think it changes that. I mean, he still. No. Yeah. We can't. That's why you don't worship the athletes. You're right. You're right. You know, in bodybuilding, you know, in bodybuilding, this is not that most people even know who I'm about to talk about, but there was a bodybuilder that I was a big fan of mainly because I heard about him in Arnold Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia bodybuild, which by the way, I don't think you can see this on camera. My original, I don't know if Doug, you could somehow maybe take a picture of this so people can see it. Well, when he does the big pan, I think you can see it in that. So my original Arnold Schwarzenegger encyclopedia bodybuilding is in here right now. And it's like wrapped in tape because I've read that thing. Yeah. 500 million times. Anyway, in that blood, sweat and semen on that. No semen. Oh, yeah. I never jerked off. No, bro. Come on. I'm just still alive. Come on, bro. I'm just saying, I don't know. It's pretty tarnished, dude. That's not why I read it. There was a lot of time spent with it. I don't know exactly what kind of time. I think there was some spent with it. Some sticky pages. No, I learned from the book. Everybody calm down. Back in those days, it was the Sears catalog, the bra section. That's what I used to. Anyway, in that, there was the shoulder workout section. And he had a bodybuilder by then. It was an English bodybuilder from the UK black guy, Bertle Fox. And he was just this. That's a cool name. He was a mass monster of the era. Like he was just bigger than everybody else back then. And remember, this is back in the 70s and early 80s when they weren't using the crazy drugs that they were using now. And I was a huge fan of this guy. Big old crazy looking delts. Anyway, this guy went to jail for murdering his wife and someone else. Like he shot them with a shotgun where he's in jail right now. From doing all that. So it's kind of like one of those. Like you idolize someone, but you don't realize, especially when you're a kid, that just because they're good at one thing doesn't mean that they're a good person. Yeah. There's so many examples of that. Yeah. Obviously he was a bad person. Hey, I started to watch your Longmire show. Oh, you did. What'd you think? It's good. Yeah. I really like it. So have you ever seen Justified? Oh, yeah, I have. I love that show, too. Okay. It reminds me of that. Yeah. It was recommended with that and another one that I really liked and the one with Kevin Costner. Yellowstone. Yeah. Both of those are really good. So if you like Longmire, you'll really like those. Yeah. And it's got that kind of cowboy feel to it, but I just like that it's, you know, it's like a rugged manly guy. But he's like, he's got a good heart. Yeah. A lot of integrity, right? Yeah. You don't, you don't see a lot of these characters anymore for some reason. What's the song? What platform? It's on Netflix. Or I'll check it out. You know what I did check out was Sweet Tooth. Remember we talked about it last night? Oh, I did, too. Okay. I actually enjoyed it. Interesting. I'm about three episodes in. It's actually interesting. Yeah. So the, the, the trailer, it doesn't really kind of give you a breakdown of what's going on. It didn't sell me on it. It's actually pretty smart. It's pretty smart the way they did it. And it's, it's actually compelling. And there's some pretty interesting stuff. It's interesting that mainly because of like us going through the pandemic and everything, they kind of, there's sort of parallels there and that they're portraying with it, but like in a unique way. You know, it's funny. So there's been movies on pandemics in the past. It's like a common theme with sci-fi or whatever. Yeah. But now doesn't it feel different to see stuff like that? Oh, it totally does. Yeah. Like I'm watching, I'm like, oh man. Yeah. That heck, that could happen. Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, again, it's got that element of fantasy in it because obviously these like human animal hybrid things that it makes a kind of a different twist to the whole event. I haven't got to the part where they explain why that's like, why that was like a big part of everything that happened. But it's interesting. Did you guys see too, ever since we've been talking about this whole celebrity boxing thing, like how much that's ramping up right now? So when they did like TikTok stars versus YouTube stars. They're doing that. I saw a good beat the shit out of each other and stopped posting about it. Somebody told me Eddie Hall and not Robert Oberis, but another, another strongman are supposed to be fighting. Bjorn, what's his name? The Game of Thrones. Well, he already has that. Did you guys know that? He's already done fights though. The, the, what's his name again? The Game of Thrones guy. Yeah. He's already done fights and Eddie Hall I think already has done a fight or two. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. Oh, did you guys know they were fighting each other? Yeah. Well, they announced it a long time ago and then I think they got a warm up fight in between. And so I think they're like, now we're going to, going to face each other. If you want to see where this could potentially go, look at old, some of the off pride fights that you saw in Japan or look at Russian, you know, I'll do in quotations here, MMA type fights. They're wild. Like the old pride fights in Japan, they would often do this like tiny guy versus a sumo wrestler. His name's Hapthor. Yeah, Hapthor. Thank you. A giant versus someone else. In Russia it's even worse. They'll have like five versus five. That's so cool. In a ring or they'll do like three girls versus one guy or they'll do armor and swords. Armor with swords. That, that one trips me out. They're like literally hacking on each other with swords. I mean they're dual blades, but it's like metal. Bro, I saw one where the guy was using the shield. He knocked the guy down with a sword and the guy's on the ground and he takes the shield and fucks the guy up with the shield. My favorite was when they, so they're fighting on different platforms. Yeah. So the guy climbs up on a platform, jumps off and yeah. The other guys on the bottom like trying to punch up at this guy. I think in Russia they take, they take alphaness and they just go a way too far with it. They're all in. They're just tough. Yeah. Speaking of tough and crazy, Andre the Giant, right? You guys remember Andre the Giant? Of course. So if the listeners don't know or viewers who don't know, he was one of the most popular pro wrestlers of all time. Massive monster of a guy. Huge guy. But what's interesting about this guy are some of the interesting things that he would do when he wasn't in the ring. Did you guys know that he holds the record for drinking beer? Yeah. At what time? Yeah. I remember listening in that documentary with like he could do basically like a couple of cases of beer was just like one beer for him. Okay. So he had this incredible ability to tolerate alcohol. It was just insane for some reason. So check this out. It's the world record for the largest number of beers consumed in a single sitting. So he drank 12 ounce bottles of beer, so regular beers. In six hours he drank 119. What? By himself. What? That kills somebody. 119 beers by himself. Yeah. Bro, you know how crazy that is? Yes, I know how crazy that is. We used to play the Century Game. Did you guys ever play the Century Game? Oh, yeah. Were you do a shot of beer? Every one minute. Every minute. So you make it, back then it was cassettes. Okay. So we made a cassette tape that at every one minute. At every one minute, nobody finished the game ever. And these are shots? Yeah. One ounce. One ounce of beer every minute for a hundred minutes. And people would just get throw up? Oh, yeah, you're throwing it. You're throwing it. Most people. I mean, every once in a while, that was, the game was. Who's left standing, right? Yeah, exactly. Who stayed all the way in and made it to the hundred. And I mean, every once in a while you hear some stories. Bro, he drank 119. Well, that's why I'm blowing away right now because I remember playing that game several times when we were kids. And I always around like 80, 80 or 90 shots. Puking my brains out by that time. So to think that somebody crushed, you know, a hundred with almost a hundred times that, right? That's crazy. Oh, yeah. That's so all by itself. It doesn't fathom it. And you know what? It doesn't even make sense if you do the ratio of his size. So even if you do like, okay, well, it still doesn't make sense because he's like basically like two big guys like combined and two big guys couldn't do that. 10 big guys would have a tough time. Exactly. You know, so it's like he's got like a super liver or something. Did you were reading that? You know what? I love it. Where did these articles come from? When I find stuff like this, you got good stuff right now. When I find stuff like this, I always get very interested. I always think like, oh, this would be cool thing to bring up on the show. Yeah. Andre the Giant is just fascinating. I tell you, I encourage people to look him up. The stories around him, you know, when they interviewed, what's his name? Hulk Hogan. Oh, yeah. About Andre the Giant. Now, remember, Hulk Hogan is a big dude. He's not a small dude. Like if he walks in the room, he's a giant. No, he is. He's like 6'7 or 6'8. Maybe Doug can look up a big guy. How tall Hulk Hogan is. And he's like super filled out, obviously. He's a monster, right? Yeah. And he says that when he would like spar with, because remember, pro wrestling is scripted in the sense that you know who's going to win. Yeah. But the moves are real. They're throwing you. Yeah. They're hitting you. And if they're a little irritated, and this is true in pro wrestling. This is something I used to love to read about. In pro wrestling, if a guy is a little irritated with you or annoyed, if he's supposed to lose, he's going to put a little more hurt on you. He'll put some hurt. He'll slap you real hard. Yeah. And it's just part of the sport. Well, Hulk Hogan said that with, does it say how tall he was? 6'6. So he's a big dude. Yeah. Hulk Hogan said that Andre the Giant was a very kind, nice guy. He says, but one time he was teasing him. And he did this move where you know, they do that move where they hit you with their forearm on your back. And he says that Andre the Giant hit him with just a little extra hard. Like it's his hardest. And he says, I realized in that moment that he could literally break my back if he felt like it. He just could have killed me if he wanted to. Didn't he finally let him or allow him to pick him up to finally win? Yes. Which I remember him talking about that. They had to talk him into it. Yeah, they'd talk him into it because it was just like, he didn't know if he could do it. He's like, I don't know if I could lift this guy and even hold him. It was just like so much weight and mass. This was one of the biggest matches in pro wrestling. So do you know that he technically, he's one of the better wrestlers of all time too. So in Brett Hart's book, right? You talking about the Andre the Giant? Oh, yeah. He did it for a long time. Yeah. They talk about like he looks like this big, you know, clumsy lumbering giant, but he actually has technique as far as housing. Because there's a lot of like unsaid etiquette. Like you're talking about like, you know, when you can make a move hurt or not. Yeah, that's right. Right. And where you can just be bad at your craft and you hurt guys a lot. And there's guys that are known for that and people who like refused to do it. And so there's a lot of that going on behind the scenes. And supposedly he was like supposed to be like one of the more technical wrestlers of all time. Yeah. How good he was. Have you guys heard the story about Hulk Hogan and how he when he wanted to get in pro wrestling? There was like this famous Japanese pro wrestling school and he wanted to learn there. And but he went in all cocky. Have you guys ever heard the story? Yeah. So he went in there and he's obviously Hulk Hogan is a huge guy. And he goes in and it's just like, you know, Japanese school for me bigger than everybody in there. And he says he went in. They're all cocky. Like, oh no, I'm going to be the best pro wrestler of all time and not showing respect to them or whatever. And he says that the Japanese instructor broke his ankle. Like basically got him an ankle walk and broke it. And so then Hulk Hogan. And he got humbled and like came back. He came back with a cast and he apologized. Was very respectful. And then he was able to learn all the skills and stuff. It's a very interesting world. I don't know if it's like this anymore. But back in those days, there was a lot of tradition and, you know, I don't know if you guys have ever heard about sumo wrestling, but there's lots of tradition around it. And I believe they made a documentary and maybe Doug can look up the title of Bret Hart's book. I mean, it's like a Bible. And they're a famous family, right? Well, they're the originate. They originated in Canada in their dad's basement. Wow. And so they're, it goes way back to them. And like he's part of the original like group of, what is it, Doug? Yeah, there's a documentary right there. Bret Hitman Hart. That was his name. Yeah. 365 days of wrestling. Is that what it was? No, that's not it. The book, I'll take a picture and I'll share with the audience and I'll share with you guys. It was a really, really good book, but it gets into all this, but it talks about the origin story of like how it all started and his dad's basement and stuff like that. Did you guys ever, have you guys ever met some of these pro wrestlers after they retire? And you ever meet these guys? I've seen them like, but we haven't hung out. Bro, they're broken. They're all broken. And I met the Iron Sheik and he was like, he could barely move. You met him? Like in person? Show or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I met him. This was way after, right? When he was done. He was at a fitness convention, but I mean, these guys break and destroy their bodies. Well, what was it? The wrestler with, I forget the name of that. Mickey Rourke. Mickey Rourke was very accurate. I felt like that, he had depicted it pretty well in terms of them being in constant pain, but also still trying their best to like, keep it going and still like do shows. Now, were you guys a bigger Hulk Hogan fan or Ultimate Warrior? Ultimate Warrior. Yeah, me too. I was Hogan. You were Hogan? Of course. All American. I liked Hogan too though, but I was like a big Ultimate Warrior fan. Yeah, I just, because Ultimate Warrior looked like a bodybuilder. I mean, he was cool. Yeah, he was really cool, but yeah, it was him and like Junkyard Dog and you know all those guys? I liked him too, because he was all, all super jacked away. That was the first time I started to slaughter the Bulldog. I remember that was like the first time I'd seen one and I like, I wanted one when I was little and then it was when, what was the name of the show with Robin Big, when Robin Big came out and he had his little meaty Bulldog. Oh, that's what made you want him? Yeah, the two of them, I was a British Bulldog fan as a wrestler, so always loved him and loved him as a wrestler and then loved that he had a Bulldog and then later on was the Robin Big when I saw this personality on him. Now, before you had your... I feel like Adam would be like Razor Ramon. Oh, no dude. No, no, no. He's, what's his name, bro? Ravishing Rick Root. Oh, Millie Doherman? Oh, Ravishing Rick Root. There it is. He goes out to the ring and he's got the pink leotard with the lips on the butt and he, remember he would bring a girl out of the audience and just make out with it? That was you, dude. So great. Ravishing Rick Root. I forgot about you. All handsome. Hey, so before you had your Bulldogs, did you know the work involved with, because they're very... I did. So you did all the research? I did it. Yeah, I bought a book on, I bought a book on just dogs in general, and then I bought a Bulldog book right all about them before. And the, so the first original selling point was watching the personality of their meaty, the Bulldog that's on Robin Big. So that was what I first like, oh my God, their personalities are so cool. I mean, I wonder if they're all like this. And then I went and bought a book and started reading up on them. And the selling point for me was at that time I had my condo. So I had this like, you know, 1,700 square foot, three bedroom, two bath, you know, townhouse that I lived in. And you know, up in that point, I had dogs growing up, but never as an adult having my own place. And I'm like, I don't want to, you know, I don't want like a lab or like a Weimarine or like a big like outdoor run around dog. And I have a townhouse. I'll feel terrible, right? So I started looking up dogs that or that didn't need a lot of exercise. And that was like the key thing about bulldogs. I think you're number one in that. They are. They're like, as far as like their activity level is extremely low. And I'm like, oh, this is perfect. The dog that just wants to sleep and be lazy will be, which is kind of ironic being a fitness guy, right? I think matches my personality at home. I think we were, one of us was talking about this the other day. Oh yeah. Off air. Yeah, you're very chill at home. Yeah. I'm very different at home than I have ever been at work. You know, I've always been, you know, talking and I'm going. And then when I get home, I'm like all quiet and chill, watch TV, but they require a lot of work with like diet and medical stuff. Yeah. So they have, they tend to have a lot of, you know, ear and nose and breathing and, you know, tail. Now, is it true that a female bulldog can't give birth to bulldogs naturally? There has to be intervention or is that a myth? I think, I think the statistics on it are really high that they'll have a C-section. I think that's because the bulldog's heads are so big, right? Yeah. So I do know that they have C-sections a lot. I don't know like I haven't bred them. So I actually don't know if it's like a mandatory all time. That's a good question. My cousin would be able to answer that, who breeds the French Bulldogs, which by the way, did you see that show you guys his little, his little ones coming up? I love French Bulldogs. What do they call that, the markings on that one? Yeah, it's called a meryl. Meryl, that's it. Yeah, meryl color. Really cool looking dog. Oh, it's such a cool, and he, you know, he's got to, he's been working on this for like two years to get to those genetics. So it's not like that's, you know, he's, he had to, you know, breed with this one dog and he's paid like crazy money, dude. People are paying like $30,000. What? Yeah. A puppy. That's crazy. Now he's all papered up, right? So they're all, he has, I mean, all their, Well, I mean, for 30,000, you probably have to. Yeah, yeah, they're lineage, and then on top of that, the rare coloring. 30,000? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Especially like, like he's, like my cousin got him from somebody who like sells. You got to get gold. Sells all over. That's what I'm saying. Most people, I mean, unless you're like, like super rich and famous, you, you don't just spend 30 grand for it as a pet. Most people, if you spend 30,000, you probably have intentions to probably breed them yourself. What to say, Doug? Yeah. Yeah. Most bulldog breeds cannot give birth naturally. Most, but it's not all. Is that right? Yeah. And general bulldog puppies are often too large for the birth canal. Yeah. The vagina's too small. Me. So big heads. I guess so. Do they do see sections that I didn't know if it was like every time or like only when they have multiple? I wonder at what point that happened because I'm sure they weren't see sectioning bulldogs, you know, 50, 100 years ago. So at some point, they kept breeding them to get bigger heads and to look more, you know, bulldog-ish. And at some point they're like, well, we went a little too far, but here we go. We got to do see sections now every single time. Yeah. Because have you seen, do you know what American bulldogs are? So American bulldogs, taller, taller breed. They basically used to look like. Yeah. If you see like old pictures of bulldogs, they were tall. They were fighting dogs or bull baiting is what they used to do with them where they would take a bull, they tie the bull to a steak in the ground and then they would stick dogs on the bull and the goal was for the dog to pin the bull on the ground and so they bred bulldogs with the underbite because it allowed the dog to hold on to the nose of the bull but continue to breathe because the nose is pushed back with the lower jaw push forward. Yeah. Really interesting. Fun fact. And you can see that in their personality. It's really, I don't know if you see it. Oh, I'm sure Tug of War with them is hilarious. Yeah. They're just so strong. Intimacious. Yeah. They're like a pit once they lock in, once they lock the jaw on some of my dogs, they're not letting go. And they're fearless too. Like this. That was one thing that always scared me about what Bentley was notorious for that. Like he would, it didn't matter how big the dog was, like he was not intimidated to go to him. I'm like, bro, that thing is like he killed a Rottweiler. Did I ever tell you guys? No. Yes. What? Yes. The Rottweiler choked on the chihuahua. Yeah. I was good. I was good. Stop it. I made up the story. I mean, they think they got a chance. Wow. That dog killed the other dog. It's great. It's a joke. Speaking of animals though. So I have this great new theory. Somebody sent me an article and of course this is like humor, satire, whatever. But we were talking about the Loch Ness Monster and so, you know, before that, there was a picture that had one picture kind of look like a fish, like the the side of a fish, whatever. But then, you know, it doesn't account for some of those pictures you've seen where it almost looks like it has like a snout or something that's kind of sticking out. Like maybe it's its head. Yeah. And so, somebody sent me a picture and it's all of these whales. Like basically the underside of them was pointed up and the whale was pointed out and it clearly saw that. Just like that. It totally looks like all the pictures of the old Loch Ness monsters. I'm like, we figured it out. It's a big whale dick. Wow. How big is a whale dick? It's big. It's gotta be huge. It is. Look at it. Substantial. How big is a whale dick? You know, I saw that picture just inside of it. It's massive. I didn't realize that. I don't think I've ever seen a whale dick before. I mean, it's impressive. I've never looked at it. No, he don't. I don't know. Or lip balm or like lipstick. They use the throw-up. Yeah. You know. No, okay. So they use whale dick for something, Doug. Find out. They do. It's gonna be a great search history. Yeah. Oh my God. It's already been tarnished. Look at that thing. That's amazing. That's huge, dude. I'm sure it's a delicacy somewhere. Doug, look it up and see what's there. You know on those markets they're gobbling up something. I guarantee if you go there. Yeah, dude. You'll find some. Yeah. Frying up some whale dick. Whale dick soup. I'm sure to find over there. Yeah. Wow, that's huge. I mean, it makes sense. Whales are huge. You can't have a small. Well, it's a twin. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I just don't think I've ever seen a picture proportionate. I mean, I haven't seen many animals. You guys didn't know. I'm almost certain I could be wrong though. Horses are wrong once or twice before the show. Horses are pretty. I'm not seeing that. What are, could you look up what are whale dicks I've looked it up. I didn't search whale. I searched whale penis since that's more technical and it's like whale dick. However, the blue whale has a penis, average penis length of 2.5 meters. Well, speaking English, Doug, that's what we're using. That's three feet. That's about three yards. Yeah. So that's like, that's like nine feet long. Oh, three meters. One yard. Right. I don't know how many So a yard is a little bit less than a meter. Okay. All right. So what did you say? How many feet did you say? So it's times three then. How did you get, you got fuzzy math there. It should be six, six feet. No. Okay. So the meter is longer than a yard. How much longer? On the, almost a meter and a yard almost the same? I'll do a check on this. This is real easy. Here's what you do. Three meters. No, 2.5 meters. I really want to get a handle on the size of this thing. 2.5 meters equals in feet. Okay. There we go. Eight feet. It's 8.2. So I was off by a little less than a foot. An eight foot dick. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just in the wall. Powerful. And they don't use it for anything, huh? Other than in pregnant and other wills. Yeah. What do you use yours for? Come on. I want to know. Do you use yours for chapstick? What the hell? I mean. Maybe I got suckered into that chapstick. Okay. That was a chapstick. Adam was like, man, my lips are chapped. It was a good whale dick. I got something for you, bro. It'll cure the chapness. Yeah. It's nice and moist. Since we're talking about genitals, I read this very interesting article on testicle size and its correlation to attractiveness. You guys want to hear something weird? I'm very interested in this. Okay. So this is a study in primates and they think for sure it applies to humans. So in primates, the more attractive features that the primate has with their face and their body. And again, they're saying this is true for humans too. The smaller the testicles, the less attractive the primate, the larger the testicles. Wow. Okay. So and this, by the way, this is well known. I didn't know this. So I read this article. Somebody sent me this. We're out in the open. So it's not, you know, it's definitely on display. Yeah. But what you're basically saying though is the, the more attractive you are, the more likely you're going to have big balls and the more attractive you are, the more likely you are to have small balls. Correct. Correct. So it says here, so it says, so you guys want to know what the explanation is? Yeah, why? Okay. So if you're attractive, then you're probably, you don't need to compete as much to impregnate. If you're not attractive, you're going to have bigger testicles produce more sperm because you're less likely to get laid. So when you do, you got to shoot a bigger. You got one chance. You got to shoot more sperm. You got to go all in. You got to go all in. So, you know, you know, like Adam's very handsome. Right? So I think we can assume. Wow. I mean, if we're going to go by the nature standard. Yeah. No, but isn't that, that's so weird, right? Yeah. So fascinating. I heard you. Was it you who was talking about this? Balls aren't that popular. You know, I don't hear women talking about balls. Yeah, they don't do much too. Yeah. The ornamental. Anyways, no, the whole, the whole idea of sex at dawn you know, multiple partners thing. Oh, yeah. I think it was you who I said this or I heard you talking to someone about that. Part of the reason why I was talking to my son about it at the baptism. Was it that? Okay. One of the reasons why it fell out of favor was that what it just would cause men to be fighting, right? Over each other. Yeah. So the studies will show. I thought this was interesting. Yeah. Studies will show culturally that as societies grow, if men, you know, gather more that it causes lots of instability because what ends up happening is the, you imagine the super attractive wealthy guy who's established gets an ugly guy with big girls isn't, you know, getting angry. Yeah. Then the regular dude is like, man, Jeff Bezos got all the girls. I got nothing, right? So, so societies organize themselves as they grew to monogamy because it promoted peace. And this is one of the prevailing theories, believe it or not. Of course it's a theory, but studies actually show this to I think it's a really interesting theory. I never heard that before and I overheard you or somebody you were talking to bring that up and I thought, oh, you know, I've never taken it that far. Like, what if we all adopt to this idea that we're all supposed to bang each other? What does that potentially look like? And you're right. It's going to be like the 80-20 rule. The, you know, 20% of the super attractive wealthy guys that could take care of all these girls are going to get 80% of the women. And then that means you've got a large mate and then what do they do in a, you know, survival of the fittest type of environment? You probably get aggressive. Yeah, this is why they think that's interesting. This is why they think that popular, you know, religious and spiritual practices and, you know, societies that have flourished encourage monogamy. It was one way to control part of that. The other way to, the other reason, of course, is, you know, what men are so we see that today, right? If it, nine out of 10 times a single parent is a female. It's because men don't have the same, typically, we don't have the same biological, you know, drive to stick around and societally we don't have the same pressures. In fact, it's so funny. We have this friend whose ex-husband shows up, you know, to hang out with the kids, you know, twice a week and everybody's like, oh, he's a good dad. Like, you would never hear them not so strong. And so, monogamy was one way to make sure that the man stuck around to keep, you know, to take care of the, the baby, the kids and haven't grown up. So it's an important part of, you know, a big, very interesting though. I never, I had never heard that before. Yeah. Anyway, something else that's cool. Did you guys, so they did this report on, so recently we've had lots of unemployment benefits and money going out because of the pandemic they estimate, I'm going to read this. Regardless of the economy or what? Well, I'm going to read this. So this is a, this is a study that came out and they think they're estimating that criminals may have stolen as much as half of the unemployment benefits the U.S. has been pumping out over the past year. What? Yes. How's that possible? Well, through lying. Oh, it's like fraud. Fraud, right? Half, yes. That's I believe. Syndicates. What? So they, so because they see all these benefits are being given out and because they're so easily, I mean, it's not that hard, I guess to commit fraud with some of the stuff and we don't have the resources to check on everything. So foreign crime syndicates are finding ways to get this taxpayer money. And so half is what they're estimating. How crazy is that? How are you going to reconcile this? We can't just print double now. Just keep putting it out. I mean, if you were to ask double next time, 50%, I'm like, yeah, and a trillion doesn't mean anything anymore. Have you guys noticed that? Oh, the budget went up another trillion. Oh, that's only a trillion more than the last time. You know how much money a trillion is? It's insane number. That's a huge number. Yeah, you can't even spend that in a lifetime. Yeah, no, they don't even care. It's it's insane. Yeah, I see retail sales are coming down right now too. So when we if you see this chart, right, right before COVID hits when COVID hits, you see this massive spike in like retail sales. Yeah, because everybody's at home ordering. That's right. Not doing anything still getting paid and stuff like that so that and they can't go anywhere or something like that. So this just massive spike and that kind of maintained throughout this last year and it's never been like that typically travel is actually above that. So in hotel and all that retail and it's been flipped all year and then it's been slowly doing this and then it's it's for the first time in over a year now it's kind of leveled back out where travel. I mean, I just think that's such a great bet right now for those that are like looking at stock and stuff to invest in I think travel, travel, anything related to that. I mean, even like if you airlines, hotels, new companies that that do, you know, suitcases and things like that is I think going to see a nice little spike over the next year because I wonder how Airbnb is going to do during that period probably better. Oh, yeah. I would assume, right? Yeah. People are on the move. So yeah, that's going to be a viable option. You know, so remember that thing I sent you guys that link that you could buy like, what was it like a room at MGM in Las Vegas. Yeah. So these are hotel rooms. So obviously they have casinos over there and they have Vegas has very strict laws and certain areas obviously to protect their casinos. However, many of these casinos will sell blocks of rooms. Now there's a lot that goes into it. You have to pay a huge fees associated with it when up. But the prices went down a lot during the pandemic because so few people were traveling. No. That would have been a great opportunity, right? Because I can imagine that I mean, I looked at I ran the numbers and it was it was okay. It's not as it's what was wrong with it. What do you mean? The fees that you're referring to are like $1,000 a month. So I mean, you have $1,000 a month. You had a half a million dollar was on the kind of the lower end for those those condos or whatever. So you're looking at a mortgage that's, you know, somewhere around $2,500 a month. And then you got to factor in all your cleaning fees and you got to factor in the $1,000 HOAs and then the rooms only rent for about $180 to $240 a night. So you do the math like you need like you have to really fill it up. Yeah, it's got to be I mean, obviously if it's never empty that's a profitable thing but you don't want to get into a place that you're going to try and Airbnb out when you want to factor in vacancy even though vacancy I imagine in Las Vegas in the heart of downtown. It's probably low when everything's fine. Yeah. Our time share still a thing. Yeah. I was wondering about that because you know that was like a huge push. I don't know maybe a decade or so ago where everybody and their mother had to have like a time share. Did you guys ever get in? They were like trying to oh, you know someday you'll I'm like I don't want it because you got to pay all the fees and everything involved. It's like you're all like have to earn points and all those nonsense. I'm like I just want to go when I want to go. So have you guys ever gotten a trip or an offer for a super inexpensive trip? But yeah. You have to go sit and listen to one of those things. Bass Pro Shop was trying to do it. I've done that one time I'll never do that again. Oh, so what was it like? Oh, it's awful. I mean they not only do they trap you there for a few hours but they have a lot of hard closes and TOs you get to get out the door. It's like 10 or 15 in a row hammering you hard. You can't just be like oh, no, thank you. We don't want it. It's like, oh, okay. Well, yeah. Let me go get my manager and then they'll come over like what could you do? Yeah, they hard club. In fact, I can't remember. So you know when this happened to you you were already in sales and stuff. So you kind of knew Oh, totally. I knew exactly. So you didn't just tell them like no, no, no. I did. I mean we didn't end up buying or paying there. Okay. So to give you kind of an analogy, like it makes like the aggressiveness of a sales counselor on close out look like a wuss. Like that's how aggressive So it's just uncomfortable. Yes. Uncomfortable. Yeah. And they don't care. And that's how I think they get. They make you stay hard closed so hard that you probably get a lot of people just get pressured into like, okay. I don't want to deal just get muscled. There's so many drops they can do and so. And they start at the the top and they give you the whole big and then they and they know how to do it. Get you down to like give me a number. Well, what, you know, if it was a number that you would just You're like it's not about the price or like really, what if it was a dollar? Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, if it was a dollar well, so then it is the price. Yeah, they were they're like it's like that. That's an old school I remember thinking like when I was going through it like, damn, where were you guys at he knew that they were going to do this. And so he literally the whole time he was just like, I'm just here for the free trip. I'm just here for the free trip. No, you can give it to me for free and I don't want it. I don't care. You can pay me to take it and I don't want it. And you can just kept saying that over and over. Yeah, I mean, you and obviously there's people that do this. Like I know people that actually will take advantage of those all the time because they're like fuck it's three hours of my day. I just got to go Yeah, cause you'll get like a crazy deal like a week vacation it's not easy three hours to get through. That's what I'm saying. And some people are like, hey, it's worth it. If I say I did it once, I'll never. Yeah, you did it too. Yeah. Where would you go? I did it. I think it was it wasn't Palm Desert, but it was it was someone of my parents. I think it knows it was in Kauai and they were trying for the Marriott and they were trying to like hammer you on on time shares for that. And it was just like, dude, this is like I got a nice free trip out of it. I don't want to like like I'm not going to do it. So I just had to keep saying no, no, no, no, no, the whole way through it. Like there was like a whole table of these guys and they get to make this guy to sit through his pitch and then, okay, if that didn't work then we're going to bring this guy over here. And so then you just they to it like 10 times. You know what? Okay, so for people don't know what a to is it literally stands for turnover or takeover. And it's a psychological strategy because and I remember learning this as a salesperson in gyms. When someone says no to you, they haven't said no to someone else. So like if Adam and I and just let's say Adam, Justin and I are selling a car and Adam's the first guy to talk to you and you tell him, no, I don't want the car. Well, that's cool. You said no to him, but you haven't said no to me yet. That's right. And psychologically, now you logically think, well, of course I did because you're all selling the same car. No, psychologically, you still have to explain yourself to the new person. And so it's like a start. It's a turnover. And each guy gets the information from the previous guy. So he has a new angle to present it. He did the first guy. You said, like, oh, yeah, well, we, you know, those weeks in the year aren't very good for me. I don't have time in my schedule. OK, we're going to get a schedule guy in here. Yeah. He's going to plant those and plot those things and make it work. And then the next guy comes in. He overcomes that objection. And so it gets, I mean, I would love to see the statistics on how many people start off by saying no and then end up saying yes. And then end up saying yes because they did. Well, the strategy is like, oh, so, you know, I'm sorry, my schedule is really packed. OK, so if we could get a schedule guy. That's right. There's anything else. Is that the only thing that's preventing you from buying and getting started today? Well, yeah, it is. And then, OK. Go ahead and get your schedule right now. I remember when I did my Tom Hopkins mastering the art of the sale. This was actually paid for by 24 Hour Fitness when I first started. It was like this whole sales training course. Yeah. And he teaches all these basic, you know, techniques and all that stuff. And then I went to go buy a car. And I remember like, it's like this is an advanced. This is what's going on. And I remember the guy doing one of these things, a blank piece of paper. And he goes, OK, so this is the price you'll buy it for. And I said, yeah. And he goes, OK, go ahead and initial right here. Like, what is that? That's not a contract. What he's doing is getting my commitment so you can go tell his boss. Come back and say congratulations. Now what you guys sold your car? I mean, if I'm in that situation, of course, I am annoyed like probably many people are. But then I also, I don't get mad because I also know when we first started working with Organifi and we found out like how how good they were on sales. They're they have a call. It's like immediate. Now, the difference is today, especially, you can't be as aggressive or too much pressure because reviews now go on the internet. Yeah. So now if you piss someone back in the day, you go buy a car and the guy hammers you. You might tell a couple friends. But now you go online and you screw them. It has to be helpful. They have to be like very prompt and on top of it. Yeah. And that's Organifi. Yeah. Exceptional. They really do a good job. No, I mean, it's an art now. It really is like, can I be aggressive and bump sell and get a sale out of this? But the same time to provide so much can I provide so much value and service that the people after they get off the phone, even if they don't buy a little nervous about that in the beginning. I remember that. Such a sales force. Oh, I know. I remember our because our private forums always quick to let us know when they don't like something. Right. They're really aggressive with this. And then we went through the process ourselves and I'm like, oh, man, they're just they're extremely helpful. They follow up on a sale. They call you. They want you. The first thing they do is like, hey, you want to make sure that you are, you know, if you need any help with how you're using the supplement, do you take it at this time or do you have any questions about it? So they come from a very and the truth is if you look at the reviews, they have excellent reviews because more often than not somebody buying a product likes that much help. Yeah. They want to know and, you know, so they know exactly like all the ingredients and like recommendations for all of their products. Yes. It's not just like you're talking to a sales rep. No, I actually think it's a big part of what helped them scale because when I all of our other friends that we have in the supplement space, they're the only ones I know that have a call center team like that that does that. And so I'm sure that that extra plays a huge role. Oh, yeah, that extra customer service handholding process through people. Not only that, but I think they even do this. You know, if someone bought something that you know is like a 30 day cycle, something they, I think they do like midway, they touch bases with that person. And that it's just, that's no different than like when you, we used to have clients that we had personal trained that we knew we had to get them and get them going on their contract in the first like 12 days or something like that. I forget what the statistic was because every, every day or week after that reduces the likelihood of them using it. So, you know, I know they've been trained to like be consistent with usage because we know if they use it, they'll like the product. They'll get the benefits of it. That's right. Otherwise they won't. It's true. I'll give you an example. Like we talk a lot about Organifi Pure. This is their, their type of Neutropic. Literally my favorite product there's. Right. Using it on an empty stomach is a, is a total different experience than using it with food. Use it on an empty stomach. You really feel it. Use it with food far more subtle, far more mild, right? So having someone explain that to you because you could be someone that you don't have a product and you have a big old ass, you know, lunch and then you take it and then you're still kind of groggy. Yeah. So you want to be able to know that because it makes that big of a difference if you, you know, if you do it the right way. Anyway, something more cool stuff. I found a lot of cool stuff. Shell them out today. So Amazon, right? We've talked a lot about Amazon recently, in particular, Jeff Bezos and we just recently talked about how much he donated. His wife, by the way, is continuing to donate. I think she just gave another billion dollars to somebody. But did you guys know that Amazon has eliminated marijuana from their drug test screening? Really? So if they drug test employee, so they treat, now they said they're treat marijuana like alcohol. In other words, we don't care if you smoke weed, just don't come to work high. Just like we don't care if you drink alcohol, just don't come to work drunk. Right. But it used to be if they did a drug test and marijuana showed up. You'd be in trouble. Not anymore. Now, now you have weed, that's all good. Just don't come to work high. I mean that makes sense. Totally makes sense. Yeah, it is. It's interesting though that they're probably like one of the big examples of the first company to really roll it out, right? Well, I mean, okay, I'm going to tread carefully here. You're a tech company. You're highly competitive. You rely on lots of creativity. You're going to hire people that probably Chill out after a really hard day. You're going to hire people that probably, you know, have a little bit of life. What is the statistic on weed smokers too now? It's like crazy high. It had to have jumped up. Yeah, it's really high. I want to say it's like 50-50. Isn't it? It's like a 50-50 shot that if you meet somebody that they probably smoke weed or have. Very few people have it. In fact, I forgot what there was an agency in the government. I don't remember what it was. I think that was like this agency that would like counter hackers or something. So it's like this very high-tech agency in the government where they're hiring people to prevent hackers from hacking into, you know, government websites and stuff like that. And they couldn't find anybody because everybody failed the weed. Every time they did a drug test, they failed weed. And it's like, listen, you're trying to hire highly creative tech, you know, people who are like super dead, whatever, they're all going to smoke weed. You're not going to find anybody. Yeah, more than likely it's there. You know what I'm saying? You know, the gold seal market is going to plummet. I know that much. Some of my best ideas came high, man. I mean, also some worse. That's what you get. The next day is really where you evaluate that. Yeah, that's what you get with it. That's part of the deal, you know what I'm saying? So you always have to, like, the next day sober go, like, let me go back and look at all my notes because I thought it was brilliant last night. We'll find out today if it really was that brilliant. That was a little too esoteric. Yeah, Hawaiian-punch-flavored ramen. Yeah, that wasn't a good idea. Yummy. Let's put that away. Hey, real quick, you want bigger arms? Do you want nice six-pack abs? Would you like to become a better personal trainer? Would you like learning all the stuff and more? Head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a bunch of free guides that you can download and learn from. Again, they're totally free. They cost nothing. Mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of this podcast. All right, our first question is from Bilal Salvatore. Can you still progress in lifts while cutting? You can, but the more advanced you are, the more challenging this is. Yeah, the less likely it is. Yeah, so when I would train... Tough road. ...clients, if they were new, if they were beginners, if they hadn't worked out in a while, then they would always progress in their lifts even while cutting because you would see those initial strength gains. And remember, a lot of the initial lift progress comes from the central nervous system firing better technique with the lifts, not necessarily because you have more muscle, although that contributes to having more muscle. But when you're advanced and you've been working out for a while and you reduce your calories, even if you don't lose muscle, even if you don't lose muscle, just because you have less calories, you're probably going to lose some strength or if you're, like, blessed, you're not going to go down in strength, but you're not going to go up in strength, you're going to, you know, maintain the same. Now, because of this theory, this is also why I really like to switch up the programming when I transition into a cut or add in an exercise that I, like, never do and try and get good at it. Like, we were just recently on a podcast, we were talking about this, right? Changing the routine up and so that when you get bored. Like, great time. Okay, I'm going into a cut. Now I'm going to learn how to do a windmill or learn how to do a Turkish getup because you don't have a PR. You know what I'm saying? You've never done it before, so you're going to end up having to reduce and start really, really light. And so you start off with your 20-pound kettlebell or whatever that to do your Turkish getup and you're in a cut and so you can't really tell the difference because you've never done a Turkish getup in a bulk because you've never been here before. And what you see, because it's a new movement, you're learning every week as you get better at it, you actually increase your strength. And so it's, I like to do this for the... The mental piece. Yes, it's like a mental game that I play with myself that I'm like, okay, if I go to bench press, which I've been doing for two decades, I know what a great day of benching looks like and everything in between, you know, to a horrible day of benching. And so if I'm always paying attention to that lift that I've damn near maxed out my potential. You know, mess with your head, man. Yeah, I like that advice to, you know, to seek novelty or something else that's going to stimulate you in different ways so you could try at least to gain those newbie type of gains and get your muscles to still kind of respond like that. Because it is really tough. It's really tough when you're cutting calories to have that kind of same drive and performance in these lifts. So, you know, yeah, I think that's great advice. This is why I do super sets because if I do a super set, I have to go lighter anyway. So because I'm already going lighter, then I don't necessarily, like Adam said, I don't pay attention so much to the fact that I'm using less weight. Then I kind of get into that mental space of the weight doesn't matter. It's all about the form and technique and I'm dieting. But yeah, your calories make a big difference. I'll tell you what, look, I could go on a cut for two months, lose a lot of body fat, get lean. And then I could have one high calorie day and I will be stronger the next day. The very next day I'll go up a lot. I actually just did this recently. I was doing barbell squats. I've been cutting pretty aggressively. I had to drop my squat weight down to I think I dropped down to like 350. And then I had two or three high calorie days, four or five. That's a big difference. That's a 50 pound difference. One thing I did want to add though, that this isn't a commercial plug for LMNT, but basically being so low in carbohydrates and then adding in, you know, more sodium has really helped actually to keep a lot of the performance in the gym higher. So that was interesting to me. Sodium is the one of the most underrated, misunderstood nutrients when it comes to athletic performance. Especially if you eat low carb, especially if you eat a diet that is low and heavily processed foods, you're probably, you will probably benefit from increasing your sodium intake and you'll notice in the gym right away. Element really highlighted that for me too because I noticed my pumps got way better and same thing, I got stronger and had better performance. Now we're assuming that we're answering this all that's related to strength, but it just says progress, right? So it also lifts. Yeah, also keep in mind though, progress and lifts could be you better form and technique. Good point. So it doesn't, we always think of like, you know, progressing on the different attributes. Yeah, that's also why I like to shift to a whole other exercise so I get away from just always thinking about that. It's not the only way to get better. I mean, you can get better in many different ways. And so, you know, obviously when you're not fueling the body with the max amount of calories and nutrients, you're not going to perform at your highest level. That's just, that's inevitable now. So what a great time to not focus so much on that and focus on something else. Next question is from La La Opri. Will a rowing machine preserve muscle mass while I can't lift? You know what? Okay. I forgot to bring this up. Glad somebody asked this question. I just got this on my DM. Did you really? Yes. Okay. So you want to go first? Well, I mean, so it wasn't pertaining to the rowing machine. It was actually related to like the Stairmaster and or sprints, I should say. And it was somebody who's in a cut for a show right now and she was wanting to add more cardio. And what I was trying, and I was like, well, first of all, it's kind of a loaded question. You're asking me without knowing like all the details of where your calories and where you're coming from. But you just have to keep in mind that adding more of any cardio of any kind is not advantageous for adding and building or even retaining and holding muscle. So if you're in a caloric deficit and you're leaning out, it doesn't matter what type of cardio you're doing. It's not sending a signal to the body to hang on to muscle. So even though, and I know why people think this is because... You're moving. You're moving. And my muscles are burnt. My arms get sore from the roller or my legs get sore from the Stairmaster. It feels more anaerobic. Yeah. So they feel like it's kind of like strength training. So does that actually help from losing muscle? It's like it doesn't matter where your heart rate is at and the way your body is moving is that's the main signal that's being sent there. And then you're also in a calorie deficit. You're telling the body to pare down. Now I would say if you did like 15, 20 second sprints with a minute rest in between then that's more like resistance training and more likely to preserve muscle than your traditional steady state. You get more fast twitch response that way which is a different type of operating mode. So that is a potential option. Option also hit training to with weights is another viable option that may be a little more muscle preserving. But again to Adam's point it's still cardio so you got to count it for that type of direction. And it also matters a lot too what's going on with your calorie intake. Oh yeah, that makes a huge difference. So if you are doing something like... Most people that are doing like cardio are in a cut so you're in a reduction of calories and then you're doing a cardio based exercise it's not advantageous for you to have muscle on it. So even if you're doing... I mean lifting weights is about the most ultimate thing that you can do to preserve muscle. You're going to combine optimal and ultimate. It's the ultimate. You know what I mean though, right? So any sort of cardio and you're splitting hairs of comparing rowing to stair master to elliptical, it's cardio. Now here's what I was going to say when we first started with this is I read a study, fascinating study that just highlights how valuable building muscle is with strength training or with resistance training. So in this study they showed that as little as 1 9th of the volume that it took to build muscle will preserve muscle. So in other words, whatever you do to build muscle let's say you're on this training cycle and you gain 10 pounds of lean body mass and you've had the 10 pounds of lean body mass now for a few months and then you reduce your volume by half you're probably going to keep the muscle with that little volume. So whatever it takes to build muscle is not what it takes to keep muscle. No other form of exercise has this particular attribute. It doesn't. This is the beauty of... Part of the beauty of strength training or resistance training is that it's more permanent in terms of results. Now nothing is permanent but I don't know anything that's even this close. You can't do that with... Like you can't do a bunch of cardio and then cut it down to half the volume and maintain the same... And have the same stamina. It's not going to happen. Or the same calorie burn or whatever. With strength training you do. You can cut it way down and it's funny. I know this. I've been working out for years and years and years and years and keeping my muscle now is way easy. Well I just talked about this. I was talking about one of the coolest things that I've noticed as I've gotten older is I am the amount of volume and frequency that I'm training right now is unbelievably low. It's some of the lowest as far as my overall consistency over the last let's say two years or so compared to the previous 18 years I'm at the lowest ever. But yet my physique... I mean it doesn't look like what I look like competing when I was crazy but it definitely is way better than it was at my best at 25. When I was training seven days a week and sometimes doubled... I mean the amount of training I was doing back then so it's been really cool to see that after all these years of putting the time on the iron with the benefits of that and actually how easy it is to kind of maintain at least a solid base. Yes, I'm not getting on stage being able to compete with the best version of myself but I can maintain a fit muscular physique with very little training. Can be reasonable. Yeah, very reasonable. Next question is from He Hanis. What are your thoughts on saunas? Love them. Love them. Love them. Saunas... You know there was a study there was actually several studies that showed that regular sauna use reduced all-cause mortality by a significant percentage. It was like 20% or 25% was something like that. Like all-cause mortality just from using a sauna. Something that we don't consider is obviously your body adapts to your environment. For example, if you're very sedentary you never lift anything heavy you're gonna lose lots of muscle, lots of strength because your body... You're not exercising those muscles in a way that tells your body we need this muscle. Okay. Your body's ability to acclimate to temperature cold and hot is like a muscle and if you don't train it you actually lose this ability because humans for most of human history we evolved with radical changes in temperature just in a single day like it would be hot during the day cold in the morning, cold at night. You're forced to adapt to it. Yeah, now it's like it's always 70 degrees in my house. No matter what, no matter how hot or cold it is. Car, everything's regulated. It's always the same and we lose this ability and because we've lost that ability we actually have health detriments as a result. So sauna, just like with cold therapy it's like exercising the body. In fact, you can compare using a sauna to the effects of mild exercise. Actually we'll show that a 20 minute session of sauna is like doing... Oh, I remember Max Schmarzo kind of bringing that up as an example is that it's basically like a very low form of exercise that your body's sort of responding to and it's heating up the core temperature and then of course Dr. Ronda Patrick talks about this all the time in terms of heat shock proteins and then the cold therapies the cold shock proteins. So there's lots of benefits to it physiologically that we benefit from. I still attribute this as of all the things we've talked about and experimented with and brought to this podcast over the last six years and if you go back far enough you've heard me talk about my experience going through the whole hot cold contrast. I never trained like this before and I don't remember I think it was right when Wim Hof was getting really popular we were all interested in his content reading and listening to his information and I actually went and decided to apply it and I was messing with cryotherapy, ice pass and then the sauna and doing this hot cold contrast I was doing in my showers since then and I'm not as consistent as I'd like to be like today just being completely transparent although I still do this I never let months go by without challenging this where before I went my whole life I never before the podcast in my 20s or whatever intentionally went to a sauna and then a freezing cold punch. I used to make fun of it when people would ask me what's the benefit of the sauna nothing you just sweat don't waste your time. Never did either since then I have gone on a streak of how little I get sick not only do I rarely ever get sick anymore if I do get sick it's short lived it's not as bad I used to get sick all the time and if you guys remember even when we first started the podcast I was before I started doing this after that it's never been the same for me so personally I'm a massive fan of it I probably use it the most they actually have studies on that they show people who use saunas regularly suffer from common viral infections like the cold at far lower rates so it's got I mean proven immune boosting benefits I mean I'll tell you what if you had space in your home and you wanted to invest in a few things that would have the biggest bang for the buck that invested in terms of your health you would have a barbell dumbbells adjustable bench and a sauna literally and that sauna having red light therapy attached would be the most ideal yeah right or throw your jubelite inside jubelite inside some form of it next question is from jazz fitness what's something within the fitness realm that you recently changed your mind on recently you know there's a lot of things I've changed my mind on in the last 10 years recently it's hard though because I think I've been in this for so long that it's hard and I've been I've known about things in fitness and health for so long and I've studied them for so long that it's kind of hard to surprise me at this point not saying that's not going to happen I guarantee it will it's just not like it was 10 years ago 10 years ago there were lots of things that were kind of blowing me away one comes to mind and that's the benefit of walking I literally used to make fun of this if someone told me oh I walk every day I'd be like well that's not exercise that's a total waste of time nothing could be further from the truth walking is probably the single best activity you can do to improve your movement so if you want to increase your movement so if you want to increase your movement and you think what should I do there's strength training that's king and then what else should I add to it and I want to improve my longevity I want to improve my health walk just walk several times a day one of the best things you could do is a 10 minute or 15 minute walk after breakfast, lunch and dinner which turns into 30 to 45 minutes of walking a day that has pays back huge dividends in improvements in health and that was something that I totally thought was stupid back in the day I most Reese I mean like you I can there's lots of things over there our career that I think we've changed my mind on probably the most recent was a few years back when I did a low-carb no-carb type of diet up into that point in my life I thought one that's stupid two it's not for me three I don't think I'll like it at all four I don't think I'll see any benefits from it I saw tremendous benefits from it I and I remember hearing myself on the podcast talking to the guys about thinking it's stupid I would never do that I'm eating like 400 to 600 grams of carbs a day why would I ever want I love carbs why would I want to do that and at that time too I was also in really good shape from competing so it seems ridiculous but I was like oh that's even more reason why I should do this because I feel so staunch about it right so I did and after I did that it has completely changed my eating behaviors I don't struggle with cravings as bad as I ever I used to because I was such a high carb eater I was eating a lot of foods that promoted me to want to eat more which always made it hard to resist things that I probably shouldn't be eating a lot in the diet it wasn't until then so I mean I've openly talked about my sugar addiction and candy and ice cream and things like that it was the pivotal point for me of being able to lock that out and never have an issue like that I think recently on the episode not that long ago you and I were joking around about candy and I was teasing that you're more likely to have candy when we fly now and you were giving me a hard time what about your candy addiction like it's literally since that since I changed my macro profile I've never struggled with it again and up into that point it was a part of my life and so I now eat a much lower carb diet probably in the 150 to 250 grams a day range for my size is pretty low and before that it was two three times that so that's something that completely changed my mind on how I looked at that and it changed the way I ate and I have an easier time getting my protein targets and I don't crave all these sugary bad foods like I used to so that was something I switched on yeah that's a tough one I don't because we've talked about this before in terms of like foam rolling and things like that where I've shifted my mindset on how to use it properly and the benefits of it actually recently just working with kids and kind of getting in that head space of you know a high school athlete or somebody who has is very moldable and pliable like somebody who's like that I could teach something and I'm just used to teaching like your average person and how long that takes for them to actually be able to perform it correctly have good technique and really get it because there's so many hardwired patterns they've formed over the years that I have to unwind and basically deconstruct in order to then advance forward and it's actually kind of blowing my mind how quickly like these high school student athletes can adapt and get the technique of it and so it I was very reserved about teaching things like a hang clean or something that's like way more advanced within that group and just seeing the progress day after day and then you know a week later just started to go with the broomstick and then kind of worked our way to the bar and it actually like it really blew my mind some of these kids that were able to pick it up and get all those really crazy complicated cues and be able to apply it right away dude they're so lucky to have you that's so awesome because I bet they're going to progress I mean at that age especially with that kind of motivation they're going to progress I was literally going to hold it out until like next year I'm like we got to just do squats and bench you know like we got to get this down and they just they literally like just blew my mind I was like okay you guys are getting this I got something that was recent for me the muscle building benefits of pushing a sled I always considered sled drives to be cardio more function more power it's good for athletes but really no bodybuilding applications like it's not going to build my legs or my quads or my glutes or anything like that oh no it's a great bodybuilding exercise great for building legs I do them once a week now it's a staple part of my routine and I remember doing them after the second time I did them I saw the difference in my quads and then my calves also it's like my calves never want to grow all of a sudden I see them responding oh it's because I'm driving a really heavy sled you know for 30 yards or whatever so that's something that I recently changed my mind on look if you like our information head over to mindpumpfree.com we've got free stuff for you new stuff is on there all the time head over to mindpumpfree.com go check it out you can also find all of us on Instagram so you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin me at Mind Pump Salon Adam at Mind Pump Adam well what's necessarily wrong with more money isn't money okay like if someone gave me $10,000 that would be a good thing like explain the difference between money connected to goods and services and money just not connected to anything just more of it existing but not connected to those goods and services