 Welcome once again to the breakfast here on plus TV Africa now Let's look at the stories making headlines across Nigeria today We're going to be joined by or we have been joined rather by our guest mr. Chris one do there's a publisher of CKN news Good morning. Thanks for joining us sir. Good morning Good morning. Hope you're having a nice day. Yes. We are good to see you All right. We're starting with stories from the punch newspapers, which of course should be a you're screening just a few seconds The big one there it says APC multiple court cases Aggrieved members their bunny Panel compiles litigants list. We won't withdraw cases Buhari party can't stop suits as aggrieved members And it's also says we stand by NEC decision that all court cases must be withdrawn says party Protest rock or tar road or rather protest rock or tar over bad roads residents block a Belkota Lagos highway Also in the punch Assofresh strike a threat causing panic. No agreement yet says the federal government Nigeria spends 1.47 trillion naira on petrol imports in six months Poor persecution and enduring victims and others says the CJN and also conflicting judgments and JC invites three judges Wands chief judges across the country. I believe we k orders value-added tax collection Lagos bill scales second reading and CSOs knock FIRS over proposed social media tax Still on the punch this morning illegal admission federal government compiles errant vacities list and Conflict in court orders obstacle to credible polls as INEC a few others Buhari constitutes health reform panel appoints Agtifa and NCC NCDC boss and Stop preferential cut-off marks for northerners. Elrify tells jam and NNPC begins sale of shares in 2024 Let's take a look at the daily trust newspaper. The headline says lockdown Have the clamped down on bandits in Zamfara Operation successful bandits instigating locals to protest They are on the run relieving captives. That's according to Matawali Residents say they will endure the pain of the security measures and over 40 russet Russell is killed logistics hideouts bombed in Kaduna color accused 2141 in 23 states and the FCT that's according to the NCDC Value-added tax we can't move to enforce law as court rejects FIRS injunction Unrest federal government governors religious leaders move to save Plateau state Buhari constitutes health sector reform committee names of Shimbajos chairman Commuters stranded as protests rocks Legos a Bekuta Highway kidnappers abduct former aqua ebom senator CGN reads riot act cautions chief judges and expert the others and conflict and rulings Orders them to take absolute charge in assigning cases and grills seven CJ's for over six hours All right, and out of the nation newspapers Conflicted orders three judges to face NJC panel CGN condemns embarrassing orders. INEC says how courts store election process Miatiala to sue southern governors for open grazing ban And also gunman kill police sergeant abduct ex senator Pension fund rises to 12.8 trillion Naira also on the nation Nigeria's wild polio-free status not threatened Igbo's case for hearing has been a court resumes That's also in the nation and sit at home crippling southeast governor's lament The vice-president Yemi Ushimbaju heads health sector reform team as a final one on the nation newspapers this morning Let's take a final look at the leadership newspaper states begin consultation over vat verdict as courts quashes firs application Agency was collecting vat in era ab initio caught ruse Judgment recipe for economy chaos says massari wiki alleges conspiracy demands full implementation of rivers tax law 2021 2023 umahi says it's too early to discuss Igbo presidency ex-rivers military governor anthony upo dies at 74 Nigeria records 121 type 2 polio cases Guinea-Ku leader bars government officials from foreign travel Miatiala vows to sue governors over anti-grazer law And conflicting orders three judges to face disciplinary action All right, um, Chris one do uh, good morning once again. Thanks for joining us Thank you for having me All right, so let's bring you in first of all on the controversy concerning value added tax The firs initially had challenged that the courts ruled in favor of the river state government But now also the governor of casino state massari is also complaining about that ruling. What are your thoughts? Well, uh, the frs failed in his bid to secure an interlocutory injunction Stopping the reverse state government Implementing the state vat law Don't forget the courts Of competent jurisdiction within reverse state Again, they gave that judgment, uh, which was instituted by the reverse state government We believe that the issue of tax or the study vat is more of Is it a fear and not a federal affair and it feels that Is not within the exclusive list Of the constitution and validly the court Uh, gave the verdict in support of that In support of the application of river states and that is how initially it was the governor of river states said that they wanted to see the outcome of a interlocutory injunction which was And five by frs that is likely caught a pandemic in that application and It was in grant. So river states is going ahead with the implementation of that vat law and legal state also is also garing up also wants to Begin there as well and personally, I think it's a constitutional team. Um, so if the court Court of competent jurisdiction has seen Some senses in what they've said then it remains what it is if the frs or the federal Government to you that that judgment is Is not the right in what they need to do is to appeal to court of appeal and uh, and um If that is not all the way, you know, the idea of them can also go as As far as the supreme court, but I have always been one of those that believe that the issue the state should be allowed um To collect those vats, uh, because what we have presently is that you see Things um, that are not even doing Now come to share come to the table to share out of the vats, uh collected from several other states and Let me give you a example There are some it's not in the strong. There are so many states in the north that don't believe in alcohol They don't you see them smashing bottles every day like what they have a hip bar His bar that goes around arresting people closing down bars and the rest of them And when you see the sit-rock of a load of them Beer they get them since destroy them and rest of them But that's same Alcoholic drinks Get vatted in other states like legos. We've had some other state from the From the south and they share out of that So you can see the hypocrisy in that so Um, and from what I've seen is like close to about 40 percent of what is generated if that comes from legos Over 40 percent But that will be shared among the 36 states of predation and abuja. So I think there's some lost side There's some disparity here. So I totally Bet as I said The court has given that but the cardinal state government has arrived to whatever Ponds if it's not if it's not standing on the point of order and he has nobody but if he also feel Like challenging here. So that's what can go because they can he go to court against a law That's taking place in every basket. That would I have that power All right, Mr. Wander, you've just said that states have the rights to collect vat Just states Sorry Do you also think that states have the rights to ban open grazing in this State and I asked that because oh look at the leadership newspaper As well as the paper the nation it talks about miety Allah here Vowing to sue governors over anti-grazing laws. Now, miety Allah is saying that these anti-grazing laws will basically deprive and deny pasturalists from their livelihoods And recall that southern governors had taken a stance to ban open grazing september 1st And so many other northern states like zanfarah kaduna and katsina have also banned a movement of cattle in their states But miety Allah is you know saying they will take this to court. So the states also have a right to ban open grazing in their states The states have the right to ban anything in the states That's why how the state house of assembly the state house of assembly makes law for the states Why the national assembly makes law coordination? So if the states find it necessary that there's need for peace and security within the states That there's need for them to come up with such law. They have the right once it has gone through the uh, a constitution means to the state house of assembly and the passage And once it is signed into law by the governor of that state it becomes a law We are not practicing a we are not practicing a unitary system of government water practicing is a federation Where each state has the right to be able to determine what happens within their state Why the federal government also has so nice residual That is what we got exclusive residual list. So, um, the states have a right if you Let me ask you Are you are are you not aware that some states have this environmental Sanitation law that every pride every saturday you don't need to move from Within their state for about three hours State governments have that right they can they they can knock down law. So any state house of assembly or any state In that wise that phrase there are certain things that they need to do to be able to um Move the state forward the once that law is taken to the state house of assembly Then and is passed and signed by the state government if they come to the office if you feel that um is in any way Hinting your movement or your Personal rise as a citizen of Nigeria. They have the right to go to court. Everybody has the right to go to court. They can go to court Um, it is now for the court to decide then from what I'm literally I know about I know that them states have that right So that can be challenged if they feel they can challenge All right, Mr. Wando some something on the nation who I think makes our headlines across the papers this morning And also has been you know interesting topic In the last few days. There's a conflict in court Junction caught rulings That is of course necessitated the summoning of some state chief judges by the cgn The nondrend bar association has also spoken and also it says are here three judges to face njc panel Um, let's get your views on that also as an elementary student of law In 200 level our thoughts We were taught constitutional law and jurisdiction is one of the first thing you learn as a student of law Every court has its jurisdiction. That's the situation and um, um a court of cognitive jurisdiction cannot Invalidates Any ruling by another court with the same rank if you understand what I mean a court in In Lagos a high court George takes a decision Another high court judge in any part of this country cannot invalidate that Judgment given by that high court the best we can do is to go to the court of appeal. That is how it is done So what we are just seeing now is a total aberration is It is unconstitutional the judges are just do whatever they like and I think this is why the Chief Justice of Nigeria as someone I am saying with the seven chief judges of those states To come to Apuja and for me it is not just about that. I don't It's not the chief judge that should be someone is the judges that are involved And I think that is what the NJC is doing now the chief judge The chief justice of the federation does not have any right over those judges It's only the NJC that have been empowered to do that Then that is one the second part of that is also the NBA Also have to look at a situation where look at their members Those members or those lawyers who continue jumping from one court to the other to be able to get this kind of Ruling things. So also the Samsung by NBA they know the right thing to do but they're not doing it So is what we call the body bench and the back that is This is before the virus but as something has to do we have to do something as quickly as possible to go to arrest This situation or else we find ourselves in a situation that Come 2023 The generation is coming to it if we continue to go this way then we're going to be in deep deep problem So I'm totally for the invitation of those judges and And we are in necessary Some of them should be removed especially that one from KB That started all this. You know, it means that that KB chip where that judge in KB doesn't even know what he's doing He doesn't know his work as a judge There is no way you can do that And I expected that the chief judge of that state could have called him to order because he is the one that assigns these cases Although you cannot blame me. He only assigned the cases but he doesn't know what the judge is going to come up So I'm totally for this maybe we should have to start using these people as a A deterrent and so that orders who want to go that same route putting the show again Okay, um on the daily trust newspaper this story reads Buhari constitutes health sector reform committee Names of Shimbajos chairman on the nation. It says Osimba Joe heads health sector reform team Um, we know the crisis and the challenges we've been having in our healthcare sector regarding Strikes by different health bodies and unions in the country Now we're saying that the presidency wants to reform the health sector And they have constituted a committee that will sit for six months with Osimba Joe head in that team What what can we expect? You know from this committee and end to strike actions final payment of you know salaries that have been owed by healthcare workers and all of that Or are we still seeing the same Committee formation and then nothing been done. Mr. I wonder Well, I want to be an optimist but my heart of hearts I'm a pessimist when it comes to this. I personally don't think I can think we come out of this Tomorrow when we're going to have We have issue in the education sector. We're going to set up another committee I would be headed by who don't forget that president we still have the issue of us Um that has not been solved the problem in the head set up is very very tight. We don't forget that Well, the federal government the truth is the minister of labor came out yesterday to say, oh, yes, we've um We've had a some kind of agreement and they were going to look at issues that are raised We're trying to solve it or we solved it and rest of them that the leading that The no work no pay Is going to stay so but everyone that demands But the problem within this sector The head set up is so so terrible that even within the asura only forget that from our time The correct first lady I shall be completely bitterly about the situation of thing and the at the state health clinic That is so terrible Um, so but let me let's let me share that opportunity and believe that something people get to try this time around to the vice President as the head of that committee six months report the look at the issues within the sector I don't think we can be able to solve that within six months, but less high goals But for me, um, the body language of some of our leaders is not even Anything to to go by If you see the way the minister of labor who's supposed to be a lawyer A doctor the way he speaks on issue of Uh, within the head sector, you're not hearing much from the minister of health You're not hearing much from the minister of state of health. Both of them are doctors too And the doctors are complaining on the daily basis that agreement being reached with the federal government Is not being honoured and that assumption is very very very that has been very very consistent with um This administration and the previous administration and also let us look at our budgeting for health The one head organization gave a benchmark For what you have the health what should be allocated to health Education has started and some other sectors Within the economy, but are we missing up to that? all our head centers Whether the treasure or state level are not is just becoming Places that people can't even go to the doctors are not being paid. We just have an average of about 40,000 doctors to A A population of about 200 million. We don't have enough. So I think that the Let's give the vice president and the company the benefit of that The vice president has also, you know headed other committees in the past You know, and I also saw some people complain, you know that they should have been a health care professional that should have You know headed that committee not a senior advocate of Nigeria, but Totally different and also quickly mentioned That, you know, we one of the things Aneta had shared earlier was that cholera You know has killed more than 2,000 people and so, you know, it's almost that power with the same figures for COVID-19 Yeah, it's almost that part with the with the fatalities for for COVID-19 in Nigeria You know same with cholera, but let's move away from health and some of all of that Let's go to the southeast where you're from The citadome order it says here to the home the crippling southeast governor's Lament is one of the things that we'll be talking about today, but I want to get your thoughts on The continued citadome every Monday, even if the IPOB, you know had initially put out a statement saying it was cancelled But it seems like, you know, their members don't agree and people in the southeast still Stay home every Monday You know, we don't have been on this for the past three four weeks Every time I come on there discuss this in the past Four weeks now every practically rule and I've always been consistent in my In my view on what is happening in the southeast and one of those that believe that What is going on is an aberration and we are practically crippling the people of the southeast Practically crippling the economy of the region With the citadome order And I also said that IPO have lost the initiative. They started it But after the first week, they say no, okay, we're going to cancel it People move on and people have to refuse to go about their different duties every Monday Not because of the fact that they really want to stay at home as I've already said But because of I'm afraid that they'll be attacked So it's good that the governors of the statutes are coming in the special governor Why is coming out to say this now? But my challenge is I want to see what they can do Let it not just be returnings. Let them be able to assure the people that their safety is guaranteed They come out of Monday to go and open their shops or go about their businesses that it will not be attacked It is the fear that is making people to stay at home It's not just in 2000 solidarity with uh, Namdee Kalu or Apple or whatever But Mr. Wando, Mr. Wando, do you think there is something that the people of the southeast can do? Um, if they are truly tired Yes There I've said it Of the fact is that they should just grab by their businesses Um Follow the use of word that I'm just afraid that some people are just being fooled by half By just saying that you won't go out on Mondays and rest of them because Apple have already said that Mom someone do we've seen cases of people who went about their businesses And what happened was that the IPOB members went ahead to harass them destroy their goods We have reports about a lorry here Um, you know, these guys went to vandalize Some properties of people when they go about their local businesses So would you say it's the state governors who are not doing what they should? I said that before I said the state governor should go out and come out and assure the they are not just Um, saying it just merely saying it in In in historic terms, but also come out with policies that will make assure the people of their safety If they then our security agencies, what's the police doing? What's the job of the police? We have also information across studies. What are they doing? So I also think that they should come in to play we have the civil defense as well We have the dss It is their duty to be able to um Secure the life and property of uh, Nigeria and spring that place So but if the people are not seeing that that is why I said is the fear of our tag Yes, I saw the The lorry are talking about it was carrying bicycle Yes, and it's but I believe the governors can do no more It is with their the chief security officers of their state So if they cannot assure their people of their safety, then there's problem If they can be able to do that and put in in particular terms Um, so measure that will guarantee the safety of life and properties of people in the studies you see them coming out But um, well, I think we're very likely we'll wrap up with this conversation We're gonna have it, you know a lot later on the program But I want you, you know to share why you think the governors don't seem to be taking these steps like you've mentioned There's a dss. There's the nsc dc. There's the police. There's you know, all the security formations That exists across the whole of the southeast That are their disposal, I believe So why do you think that they've decided to just ignore it and everyone sits at home on on mondays? Well, first and foremost the governors don't have their right to buy the security Every commission you you know that very well the commission of police takes instruction from the ig in the various military commanders take and the one In the start is those new to come and they take order from the chief of families and rest of them in So most of that is why we have been Calamary for the state police That is where the governor's We have a right if we have state policing and local policing as we've been advocating over the years Then that's some of these issues and level of insecurity within not only within the start is across Nigeria will be reduced totally But when we have a single structure of command for the security agencies become very difficult for the secretaries of that state of course in this The governors In this instance to do anything when they give orders to the commission if the commissioner doesn't get a directly from the inspector general police In in uh, he might not be able to move So don't also forget that the police have also been under attack In recent by ipo Then we also have to look at the how many policemen the way have We don't have enough We don't have enough policemen But even at that the ones that we have I'm not even doing what they are doing If moved from Lagos to to the start is and see the number of checkpoint the number of policemen That on the roads doing nothing all they are doing is just exporting i spotting Channel those security agencies into this in states various state and local government and they will do their job But you see them about five of them ten of them at at every checkpoint every five minutes to drive along that route from right from Shagham to be named to on the shot down to the To protocol you see them on the road and several times they are you have seen go I don't want to see any of you on the road but on a daily basis They are on the road you see them in the attest and people are Contrary to not people even under their watch. So I think that's a way as it disconnects Within our security agencies and what is going on and it's just getting to terrible It's just since as nobody is in charge of what is in terms of security Because and I put that squarely On the last and only to blow the president because he's the chief of this country Yeah, almost even seems intentional at this point because these are companies that very very simple things that you know Nobody needs to read a book to know But anyway, thank you Mr. Chris one do for your time It's always interesting hearing you and of course, we wish you a very beautiful tuesday ahead Thank you. Thank you very much with love from abuja. Thank you very much Okay And stay with us. We'll take a short break while we come back. We're going back in history What happened on this day the 7th of september? I'm going to be telling you about Egypt and elections in 2005 And I'm going to back to the year 1996 tell you about the death of a hip-hop legend