 CPAC welcoming Orban at Dallas Summit days after pure Nazi speech So I'm not necessarily sure if you've been following how the US fascists are forming an alliance with the fascists in Hungary and What CPAC and conservatives in America have been doing is they've been kind of cultivating this alliance You know, they spoke at CPAC Hungary. They did this meeting with Bolsonaro in Brazil There was that huge fluff piece that Tekka Carlson did with Bolsonaro and now they're really getting more entrenched with Victor Orban And what's frightening is that Victor Orban kind of created this blueprint for fascism and we have some American right-wingers following it So for example, most people don't know that they don't say gay law That is something that first originated in Hungary and Ron DeSantis copied that and in the same way that Victor Orban Tried to give himself plausible deniability and say, you know, we support gay people while simultaneously legally discriminating against them Ron DeSantis said the same thing where he's you know, he's signing these laws supporting them defending them and also saying well We won't tolerate hate in my state So it feels like they're they're stealing this playbook from Victor Orban and as they get further entrenched What worries me and I think Reasonably so is the way that Victor Orban consolidated power is exactly how the next Republican president is going to consolidate power So let me just read a couple of paragraphs from this article and I want to get your take on this Dylan So with right-wing officials suggesting there is not yet enough evidence of Hungarian authoritarian Victor Orban's Racist views despite his recent speech which has drawn comparisons to Nazi propaganda The largest annual gathering of conservatives in the US is moving forward with plans to host the prime minister next week Well, let's listen to the man speak Matt Schlapp chair of the conservative political action committee said Tuesday Ahead of the group summit scheduled to take a place in Dallas next week We'll see what he says CPAC's welcoming of Orban shows that his racist speech is welcomed here said MSNBC columnist Ruth Ben Guide Speaking to supporters in Romania last weekend Orban said Hungarians do not want to become a mixed race And that countries where Europeans and non-Europeans live amongst each other are no longer nations He added that a flood of migrants and asylum seekers is being forced on Hungarians Romanian foreign minister Bogdan Arasiu called Orban's comments unacceptable and the prime minister's longtime advisor Zusa Hegedus announced her resignation from his government over what she called the pure Nazi speech So that's his long-term advisor I don't know how you didn't notice that the speech you delivered is a purely Nazi diatribe worthy of Joseph Joseph Goebbels Hegedus wrote in an op-ed directed at Orban. So I want to get your take on this. Um, is this Something that you can see happening with regard to Republicans in the US following the Orban blueprint because they're very clearly getting in bed with with them And when you get that along with reports of from Axios for example Jonathan Swan Wrote about how Trump if he gets a second term wants to purge civil servants and install loyalists How fucked are we Dylan? I'll just put it that way Victor Orban is a fucking pig fucker. I hate that son of a bitch unironically, I think he's one of the most cancerous tumors within Europe and I think there should be discussions about Him being just straight up kicked out of things like the European Union But the problem is other nations like Poland, which have had a historical relationship with Hungary Have defended Victor Orban defended him because they can they kind of have each other's backs now This is an interesting thing because it's actually ties in my reporting when I was in Poland I spoke to the former undersecretary of state of Poland I interviewed him and the the undersecretary of state is like the secretary of state but like under Okay, and I interviewed him and I asked him a bunch of questions and he spoke perfect English for the entirety of the interview Right. This is somebody who was involved in the solidarity movement in Poland against the Soviet regime This is somebody who's extremely well educated speaks perfect English He's both perfect English until I asked him this question Do you think Poland bears any responsibility for protecting Victor Orban who is now backstabbing Ukraine? And he said to me I have no I have no data. I'd so I know I Use as if like I'm out of nowhere just like his brain was sept from his bottom. No data What does that even mean? This is I didn't ask you a statistical for not found Yeah, it was it was a strange moment and an otherwise brilliant interview and for me Victor Orban is Probably somebody who has sadly gotten away with Developing an authoritarian regime in Hungary. I mean when it and it's weird to see all the same people who come out and talk About oh, I got censored on Twitter. I can't believe my boat. My post was removed. I didn't get Call this person the n-word This is the end of of of the legacy of sees of of democracy and play to like all these types Go simp for somebody who's actually ripping the guts out of a free press Making it so you need a permit to film anywhere basically in Hungary Or if you're a reporter trying to take pictures of the Delapitated conditions that a lot of refugees were living in or the fence that keeps them boarded out and Keeping them a terrible conditions you go out and take pictures of that. Oh, you need a permit Okay, you will apply for a permit permit denied permit denied permit denied or it just never processes or takes forever to process This isn't how a press is a press democracy a democratic country is supposed to operate with its press And that's just talking about press phenoms I'm not even talking about his control of the elections or his control of other aspects of society or of his centralization of power or of any of his homophobic policies or racist statements or His support for Vladimir Putin another authoritarian in Europe who's currently invading Ukraine another country that Victor Orpán doesn't support Right, it's always the far right of Europe doesn't support Ukraine for some reason. I wonder why This guy is the worst person you could possibly take and say this is my freedom advocate Because he hates freedom He has been constantly curb stomping freedom in Hungary and if you were choosing him as your model or bringing Your organization you were declared to the world all those principles the Republican Party supposedly supposed to stand for Personal liberty freedom stuff like that throw it out the fucking door because you don't believe in press freedom If you think Victor Orpán is an inspiration You don't believe in a free and fair democracy if you think Victor Orpán is a good insolation small government You're saying Victor Orpán's the small government guy when he's literally Centralizing power around himself it is it is the bastion of I would say right-wing hypocrisy He constantly be saying like look at me. I'm the freedom simp well while doing everything you can do like chop up people civil liberties This is he's the worst person you could possibly take for Lincoln's party. Yeah, and you know he is open about all this too It's not like he would be Offended if you called him an authoritarian like he is literally said you have to control the media This is what I did you need to control the media and once you control the media then you can consume more power Like this is what he said at CPAC Hungary I believe and I'm paraphrasing what he said But I mean like this we're getting to this point where there's no longer any plausible Deniability where conservatives are openly talking about ways that they want to consolidate power and there's a video of Trump Talking about how maybe many of you recall in 2020 during the Black Lives Matter protests Trump not only said when the looting starts the shooting starts which is insane for a president to say But he also threatened to use the insurrection act to violently crush protests using the US military But ultimately we didn't really see an overt crushing of protests There were there was a lot of like kidnapping of protesters and unarmed vehicles in my my city of Portland, Oregon But he didn't go as far as he could have but in this latest speech He's talking about how oh no, I would definitely clean up those protests quickly So they're basically broadcasting to everyone that we're done with democracy as soon as we take power And then you know that they will say things like Charlie Kirk for example He said once we take power we're never giving it back. Oh, but it's because you know Democrats will just be so unpopular Tee he wink wink when the you don't like It's just so frustrating to me that like every single person doesn't see through it and to me even if There's never going to be this remedy of polarization so long as the Republicans and conservatives are far right But my issue is if you don't even have this agreement just on a bare level a basic level Of democracy itself just a minimum democracy our democracy is flawed But democracy nonetheless if you can't even agree on that then going forward as a country We have no hopes and what's left of our democracy will be depleted You know Steve Bannon once said of Victor Orban that he's the most significant man on the scene right now This isn't like some new development people have seen this coming from a miles away But the people who dragged him in to be the inspiration were the far-right radicals like Steve Bannon He was the people who are now moving to normalize What what Victor Orban has done in Hungary and trying to Americanize it and made it this kind of packaged Exportable form of fascism fascism in a can that you can ship right into your bedroom That is what Victor Orban has become for right wing conservatives conservatism and I it's very scary to me because he is the worst aspect of Hungarian society and I think one of the big reasons Hungary faces all the problems it does today. Oh, absolutely I just I really don't understand how a bunch of people who will pretend to be the freedom party can then Choose the most anti-freedom person in all of europe to be the representative You could have picked anyone else in europe and and done better The only two people that the only two people that could have been a worse choice would have been luke shanko or vladimir budin That could have been the only two other worst options literally anyone would have been better And they and they somehow landed on the worst guy the the most anti-freedom guy And so for me, I feel like this is a prime example of how the freedom aspect of the republican party seems to be Nothing more than a mirage Yeah, it's a buzzword with absolutely no meaning to them. Like I made this point the other day You know, joe rogan said that he moved to texas because he wanted freedom But you know compare that to my state of oregon. Um, I feel like I have more freedom I can walk into a store and buy pot um, I can See any one of my, you know, family members who need an abortion get one without any problem whatsoever You know, so this whole freedom thing They say it as like a buzzword or like a kind of get out of jail free card or an uno reverse card But there's no meaning to it and the the really horrifying aspect about this is that with victor orban You know 10 years ago, you would think that he's too extreme And americans would reject that but now when you see the normalization of extremism When you see, you know, the white great replacement thyracy be echoed on the most popular news show in america and tucker carlson Then I feel like okay now we're really like we're backsliding in such a horrific, you know fashion that you know, it's it's not necessarily I think hyperbolic to Expect or worry about an actual fascist authoritarian regime in the united states within the next decade I think a lot of people are looking to 2024 It's like the breaking point is that going to be when we descend into authoritarianism at that point? Or do we still have like a few extra years? It's just yeah, it's it's really horrifying The thing that gets me and I think I'll wrap up my analysis of it here is that Victor orban's party specifically would try to rig elections in a few ways But one of the big ways they tried to do it is by creating fake parties And what they would do is they and I shit you not they would find like a homeless person Where they would find actual dead people the actual dead people on voter rolls and make political parties out of them And then those political parties would be on the ballot to then try to dilute the vote This is an actual example of real like like this is voter fraud, right? This is voter fraud This is party fraud. This is these people putting these people on the ballot in order to dilute the vote This is an actual example of dead people voting and being involved in politics And republicans are going to take that guy to be the representative When they're then going to go back to democrats and say get the dead people off the ballot When they don't even exist here, but they exist there and they're just going to fucking ignore it when it's right there There's the actual conspiracy that you guys have been talking about for the last fucking 50 years And you're just going to ignore it and accept this guy like it's a big fascist teddy bear. It's Again, like it's it's the authority. It's the authoritarianism that they love about him. That is what they love about him It isn't the freedom It's the authoritarianism and the culture war aspects. They don't care about there's no consistent principle with this guy The region was exposed I let her have her way