 Big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely official, amazing Mr. Mako, what's going on? Not nothing, my dad will all go on. Hey man, say man, we down here in H-Town, man, hey man, ran into a jewel, man, somebody that dropped us, hey man, dropped us off in here, man, big putt and opened it up to, hey man, we for the interview, everybody in Houston. Check it, man, hey man, we got big putt, how you doing, brother? Man, I'm blessed, brother. Big putt entertainment. P-U-D entertainment, man. Man, I'll say big putt, it's yours, man. Yeah, yeah, and it's crazy because you know, the name is actually Big Putt, but everybody called him Big Putt. For real? That's what I was wondering because when Renetta, hold on, when Renetta texts me, she said Big Putt, but then she putt, putt, and the team, I'm like, hold on, Big Putt, but that don't go with that, and how does that work? So how does that happen? P-U-P, that's my name, you know what I'm saying, Big Putt, that's what I go by. Who gave you that name? My mom, actually, you know what I'm saying, God bless the dead, she ain't anything like that. Why she called you putt? Man, you know, she called me putt since I was really a baby. Okay. You know what I'm saying, and you know, you know how kids, and they sitting there, they hot you, they don't, you know, they don't use silverware. Okay. So I was eating my food, like, she was saying, you know, I ate my food, like a putt, you know what I'm saying, so that name just kind of stayed, and then as I grew older, you know, I took the P-Walve, and I became a big fella, so it was just kind of added to the color. But that's how the name came about, but putt, that's where I'm from. I'm from, I'm from Missouri City, most of the time. Okay, okay. And they call it putt? It's a section in Ridgemont, you know what I'm saying, where that's just called putt. It was a planned urban development, it was a, it was a, it's called hood now, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. But they changed it. You know what I'm saying, so putt was a, putt was a section in Ridgemont that, which was where my section was, you know what I'm saying, it was three areas inside of Ridgemont that at the time that they built, it's four of them now, which is why you get to turn Ridgemont four, you know what I'm saying? But putt park was, it's my section, you know what I'm saying? So that's, that's why I was born, that's why I was raised. I was born in Third Ward, but I grew up and I was raised in, in Missouri City. How long, how old were you when you left Missouri City? Well, I left Missouri City, man, my house caught on fire in 2003. What? 2003. 2003, man. No, how? How? Did you leave something on the stove? No, it wasn't me. It was my neighbor. Come on, bro. My neighbor barbecued the day before. Okay. The grease? Nah, the charcoal. He left the charcoal. He dumped the charcoal in my trash can next to my house. Wow. The day after. He didn't, he didn't put water on it or nothing, so the charcoal got up under the, up under the, right by the attic, caught on the insulation. So was it his house and your house got burned down or just yours? And he did it? Yeah, he did it. He did it. Did the insurance cover it? Oh, it was good. You know what I'm saying? I moved. Because I'd be wondering with certain things like that, if the insurance company, you know, to be like, well, you must have did that. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was an accident. It wasn't, it wasn't, you know, on me, you know what I mean? So, we, we, we was, we was good. It was a lot of, it was a lot of events that happened around that time, you know, like, honestly, at that time, I was doing the extracurricular activity. Yeah, for show in the streets, baby. And, you know. Why do everybody as kids, it's like everybody we've been interviewing, that's where they went. Well, in the streets? You right. Why? Man, cause the streets be calling. Niggas in the hood, everybody. Can't you not, can't you like, I'm not listening? No, we broke. I see, I'm going to tell you what you hear. You hear, you hear, you hear your mama dropping tears on bills. Real talk. You know what I'm saying? She was a single mom? Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? She was crying at night because she can't pay things, you know what I'm saying? And when you see that as a child, man, you like, you're going to do everything you can right then to help that. You know what I'm saying? Are you the first boy? I'm not. I'm the youngest boy. I'm the youngest of two. But you see, and you would think that that wouldn't fall on your shoulders, it would fall on the eldest shoulder. You would. You would. Yeah. Because usually sometimes you don't never know who's going to be the one. You know what? I'm going to say this, you know, because I get real spiritual, you know, really Esau wouldn't pose to be the one. It was supposed to be Jacob. Right. I mean, it's supposed to be Esau, not Jacob. So the younger one, a lot of times they sparred, they flipped that thing around. You know what I mean? Yeah. Instead of Manasseh and Ephraim, they had to switch places, Joseph's son. So it's always that, that's, I'm saying that for me too, nigga. Yeah. I know what you mean. I know what's going on and I commend you, brother. I already know. Yeah. Yeah. It flipped on them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I was, I mean, it ain't nothing wrong with it. Man, it's, it's nothing. I don't regret any decisions. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It made you the person that you are today. Right. And I learned from them. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, every, every, every, what they say, every test is a lesson. Exactly. What you talking about is a blessing. Yes, sir. So, you know, I'm, everything I went through, I said, bless it for me. Man. Yeah. You, when you think about, you know, just coming up in, in H-town, man, I, I want to ask a question. No, I know. But I, I want you to get there. But, okay. You see how she doing? We want to still be in Missouri. See what kind of podcast is this? But hold on. But people are the real. Right. So, um, okay. So, Missouri, because the house burned up, but is that reason why you left Missouri? Because then, you know, people, you were just buying all the house there in Missouri. Well, at the, at the time, you know, we had the goal for what was available, you know what I'm saying? So, um, we, there was no houses in that area, you know, that we seen that was available. So we ended up moving not far from it, you know what I mean? But, uh, I had been there since 88. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, my whole childhood teenage years was there and I still go back. You know what I mean? Like, I, I do giveaways in my hood, we, we do a lot of things, you know what I'm saying? So it's, uh, this is, you know, my hood is my hood, man. You know what I'm saying? So I'm always showing love and I put this stuff on me to bring to the world. So they don't know what put is about dope. Dope. Dope. My thing, I was just going to ask about the sides of Houston because a lot of people when they come to Houston, I go straight downtown, they ain't going to lie to you. You know what I'm talking about? I, I know already if I go downtown, I'll be like, I'm in Houston. I just want to get a picture of the big back skyscrapers and all that good stuff. But just kind of break down the dynamics of, of, of, of H-town, like, like, like, well, H-town, man, with, with downtown, you can go in any direction on the outskirts of downtown and you're going to be in a hood. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So you go, you go south east of downtown, you're going to run in the third ward. You know what I'm saying? You go east of downtown, you're going to run in the fifth ward. You know what I mean? And then you go north. You like it's, it's, it's, all that right there, well, let me say east of downtown, north east of downtown, fifth ward. Either way you go, it's hoods right around downtown. Yes sir. You know what I'm saying? And then south, well, we got, we got South Park, we got Third Ward, South Park, South Acres, all that going down, 288, you got southwest, you know what I'm saying? Southeast. It's, it's, it's so many, you know, you have to break down the sides because Houston is so big, you know what I'm saying? Because you can't just go north, southeast and west, you know what I'm saying? It's north, it's southeast, southwest, northeast, northwest, of course, northeast, southwest. I ain't going to lie to you. Back in the days I came, I went straight to Harlem night. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I was selling clothes in front of her when I first came home. It was Harlem night. Don't worry about that. I was a young cat. I, I come out here to give my money and I would go straight over there and start selling clothes. That's when you know you got a heart. You go to every city and you go say, hey man, you know, I got this. That's why I know I was different. I come to Houston. I go to Dallas or either I go to East Texas or Shreveport. I was like, just like you were selling the CDs. I was selling the clothes. That's, that's the girl. You see what I'm saying? That's the girl in the ground. Like, like, and that's what landed me there. It was a nice place, nice time, too. I would stop in there often and set around, you know what I mean? I keep talking about the city. I know that in Dallas they're doing, they're fixing up a lot of the hoods. Trying to, um, right. So because when we were looking for somewhere to stay out here, um, downtown of course was the number one spot. But when you think about, okay, this spot over here is in third ward, I'm like, I heard about third ward. I'm like, nah, fifth ward, I'm like, nah. But are there any good places in those areas, um, or is it just all hoods? They have almost completely gentrified second ward. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Almost completely. That's dope. It's cool. Um, is they giving the people living areas? Like the ones who were originally there? That's what I don't like about it. That's the problem. I don't like that. That's the problem. But no, they're not. But there's also, they're working on third ward now. You know what I'm saying? So they're pushing the people out of there? And that's the thing I was, I was about to ask, too, like, because I've always heard, hear people talk about this. I said, when they gentrified these areas, they put, they run all the black folks out and it's white folks who's coming in. Because they build properties that raise tax value, you know what I'm saying? Property value and those people can't pay those taxes. So they have to, you know, they have to go and then you can't pay the taxes on your home. Now you got to forfeit it. You got to give it up. Yeah. You know, so dope. Let me ask you something about just the music, man. When you, you know, when you think of Houston, Houston, Texas is a pinnacle for Texas when it come down to, you know, with the screw, not they originated the screw and then you got Jay Prince down here. Jay Prince actually brought not just to Houston, but to the south. He brought recognition to hip hop. And when you, when you started off in the music here, what drove you into getting into that, you know, music itself? Like my pops was a guitarist. OK. I was, I was in music, you know what I mean? But the influences of music, you know what I'm saying? Like I was always a squad face ghetto boys fan, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, Jay Prince bought something huge as an influence as an artist to me and as a CEO. Don't be in this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely a great business mind. Yeah. Yeah. But it's but the music side, even when Draper was down here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that Tony Draper. So, so A-Ball, M-J-G were big influences as well. Yeah. Don't music. Yeah. Man, what happened to that? It was a guy named Mr. Mike and Mr. Mike. Man, that's that's that's that's big homie, man. That's a long time ago. He's still out of here. He's still in age. OK. So, so, so like you when you when did you first start taking it? Like, I'm this what I'm my livelihood. This how I'm going to do things. The livelihood. Well, I can say this. I've taken music serious since 2000 2000. OK. And that's for rapping. Right. That's rapping. Yeah. I've always taken music serious since then. My my personal. And how old were you at 2002? 2000. How am I now? OK. So what's this? Twenty one. Man, it's probably 1617. OK. 1617. OK. But but like my personal influence was like it was people around me that I could see. So I had the street militaries, the group street military, OK, a little flea and then zero because we're from the same neighborhood. OK, got it. Got it. So, you know, zero was a big influence in me, you know, actually taking music serious because it's a guy that lived right down the street from me that was taking it extremely serious. You know what I'm saying? And then I see what he was doing with it, not just because he wasn't successful when I when he inspired me. Yeah, yeah, I was just doing it consistently. Who was it? Can you say his name on zero? Oh, it was zero. Yeah, because when I seen zero, when I first came on scene, it was weird kind of it was like he had this type of the people that he covered was isolated to him. I'm being real, like it wasn't like the Hispanics. It was like his own little it's like a code almost to me. When I seen it when I came to Houston, they'd be like, get that zero. I'm like, oh, no, zero. But then when you listen to it, you can't outwrap the nigga. Like the nigga rapping hard, like that's saying and harmonizing. You can never take that as brother's stuff. So you couldn't talk down on Texas when you listen to zero. And then that people like zero, I put them in categories where any you put anybody scarface zero, you put them in the booth somewhere. I'm putting my money on them niggas, man, because you're not going to go out and I wrapped these dudes, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, like I knew that already. And Jada, I can't forget about that. Jada, I'll be at home town like Jada Street, man. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, man, those those like those guys were the influences for me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I just I just I just kept it, you know. Did he talk to you? Well, yeah, in the neighborhood and stuff. You know what I'm saying? I mean, well, back then I'm talking about back then back then, you know, we were like the first the first the first person I could be freestyled a lot, you know, in my neighborhood. We just kick kick rubs off the dome. But that's the first person I ever heard put a hook to a freestyle. You know what I'm saying? So we'd be freestyling and him and my older brother, they'd be in the room freestyling and zero would do a hook and then somebody else to start freestyling. You know what I'm saying? So he would lean over to you and like, hey, man, check this hook out. You know, I'm saying, see if you like it or whatnot, you know what I mean? And so, yeah, we like I know I'm known zero personally, just outside of music, you know, pretty much since I was a kid. How is he business wise? This is as far as when you when you when y'all working together, you straight forward. You got to be fully reproducing. Oh, yeah, yeah, Ro Ro is he's definitely serious about his crowd. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's definitely serious about his crowd. Like he that's that's his livelihood. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, if you know, Nick tried to do anything with with what page your bills, you'd be serious about it, too. You know, so for a show. Yeah, he's definitely serious about his his craft. And, you know, yeah, I think, like, you know, he like from what he's done to then to now, you know, like I still top it up with him to this day, you know, for show. He's, you know, he's actually given me a lot of advice on what I'm what I'm doing now. You know what I mean? And just, you know, how to deal with certain people, what not to what to, you know, I mean, so because he's done a lot. Yeah, he has a long history of dealing with and he was signed to rap a lot. Right. Right. So so now is he independent now? And so that that's a whole nother ball game. When you start to look at the way to the world's change. I often talk about, you know, certain people that be saying, like, you know, this, you know, this dude screwed this dude, this dude wouldn't come to the people like the J. J. Princes or the JZs or the Birdmans. But over time, evolution, things change, bro. And you grow and you really got to enjoy the movement. Most time, people be so caught up in the fact of what people are saying outside, trying to put stigmas on situations that I feel like it kind of it makes things worse than what they really have to do. Right. And then me as an artist, I'm an artist. OK. I'm an artist first. First. OK. Got it. And then I became a CEO. OK. So so the thing is me being a CEO, an artist, I seen I seen the fuckeries. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But I seen it happen to other artists. OK. You know what I mean? So I kind of learned from other people's mistakes. You know what I mean? And how old were you when you became a CEO? Um, I got I started my label. I started my label in 2006. OK. I I actually incorporated it, you know, did the actual business. Yes, sir. In like 2010. OK. And what inspired you to start a label rather than just be an artist? Um, and how hard was it? I well, I've always had a business mindset. Yes, sir. Even when I did the wrong things. It was a business mindset, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, had they would have caught me, it would have been more of a kingpin type of mentality. Yeah, yeah. Then just somebody's on the corner. That's right. Because that's the mindset I had. But in music, it was just about I seen a problem and I wanted to do something to fix it. And that was that particularly in my city, didn't know business. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And not just your city, a lot of cities, it was everywhere. And it's still dominant in certain areas. And that's just a part of I believe that you got Google now. Do your research, but it's not hard. But at the end of the day, a lot of people just like what? Just like spirituality, you know, a lot of people tell you the white man wrote the Bible, ain't never read the Bible. You know, it's just it's the same thing. Like people, my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge. That's serious, bro. Definitely. So there was somebody to tell them what to do instead of actually researching for themselves. That that that that's one aspect. And then you have people that want you to do it for them. You know what I'm saying? And so so that's that's a that's what I did home. You might be a preacher. You know, I want you to do it for them. And again, you know, it's it's a lot of things. See, Houston, I could speak on Houston. I can't really speak on other cities. Granted, they might the the variables might fit those. There you go. But you know what you live. Yeah, for Houston, like, we had we know the hustle. We know the game of music. We didn't know the business of music. The only person I can say who did was Jay. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But people here don't really know the business of music. And that's what takes away. So when you know the hustle of music, you know a hustler. Yeah, we got we're trying to get it right now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we'll get it off our brother if we have to. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? But in business, you eat with your brother exactly. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to say I look, I take the actual business side kind of flows to me like corporations, because it is a corporation. Correct. So when you go to work, when you go to work, do your co-workers pay you or do that corporation pay you? The corporation corporation pays you in Houston. How these artists are, they're trying to eat off the next artist. Wow. The next artist. You know what I'm saying? He coming up, you doing a little something. Then you got people that's cliques that want to rock with you because you might be doing or making a little noise doing this and that. But working together, using the business format, everybody is. Yes. But that's the one thing I can't stand about this industry. And I'm not going to say this industry because to me, Atlanta have it pat because they work together. And I would love to see Texas. I'm not going to say Houston. I want to say Texas, because since I've been here in Texas, it's always been a Houston thing, a Dallas thing. I'm like, why? San Antonio, Austin, Texas is huge. Imagine what impact we would have if we all came together and worked together as a company. He said that, didn't he? Man, an artist can go platinum in Texas alone. And I know that he don't even he can do it right here. You don't have to go nowhere. But let me ask you this. And I want to understand, like, like, because you had direct shops. You had Ali. I was upset with Houston for a minute, too, because I was mad because I knew that they had they had a situation where they had the screw tape, the regular tape. They were making double the money. I say this every episode when I talk about a Houston. Then he decided they want to be like everybody else. That pissed me off. I was like, man, we will win it because when you said you might have said he was the nigga, but I'll witch out. You don't care. Like, I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it from over. And I'm like, dang, this is cause it filtered in the Dallas. It filtered into these other Austin and y'all love Austin, too. That y'all will run down to Austin. Austin is like Houston. You're right there and Corpus, too, man. Austin and Corpus was. But what happened to that, man? Man, you said it. You said they want to be like everybody else. And in half, too, they was even doing better than everybody. And we had the we had the biggest cultural movement in in the South. Yeah, with that, especially once all this started to get on. And then they started using the screw samples. Yeah, that that's still 2005. He was on top, but also we fail because we didn't know business. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we fail because of that. Then once after that, everybody else started taking the style that we we we did. We created using it for their benefit, making platinum songs out of it, but they had their business right. OK, they benefited from it. Yeah, you know, I'm saying outside of Texas, outside of Houston. And then we wanted to be like everybody. I know it, man. And I was I thought I was the man, too. I I was like, we winning. I we winning when I get a screw tape. Then I get me a regular CD. I get both of them, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, double divin. That's what I was doing. And then they just switched it up. I was like, man, what the heck happened to that movement? Yeah, I mean, in the streets, we still even me as as as an artist, every artist I drop, I drop a slow chopper. You do. You know, I'm saying that's dope. Even my records, I drop a slow and chopper version of it. You know, that's dope. Just to keep just to keep the vibe, the the the culture, you know, and you look back at the ones who paved the way, who was who worked toward that. And you got to do it. Is if you in Houston, right? Definitely, definitely. And, you know, rest in peace, DJ, screw, there's not many, like, that sound. Yeah, like that screw. DJ, yeah, sound. Everybody's slowing it up. Everybody chopping it. But DJ, screw, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's not many people that have that sound. Even Michael Watts, like Michael Watts has Michael. It's it's screwed. It's slowed down. It's not screwed because it's not screwed. But yeah, it's slowed down. It's slowed and chopped. But like the artist that I like screw had mixes the way he a mix into a chop, the way he scratches into a chop. It was different. And I got to shout out DJ Redd because he's like the closest one to that. OK, I was just about to ask about DJ screwed. Did he have any children? Uh, you know what, I'm not sure. I think screw did have kids because I'd be always wondering when you make such a great impact that, you know, you'd want your kids to carry on with your legacy. Right. I was wondering if he had any children that actually like try to, you know, step in that. Yeah, I'm not I'm not really sure. I can't be I can't, you know, quote that don't quote me on that because I don't want to, you know, say he did and he didn't. Yeah, but if so, I've never heard of any of his children following the legacy of the footsteps. But of the screwed up click, DJ Redd is the official screwed up DJ. Do you do you do you feel like as of now? Well, I asked you this when music translated over into the digital world, how were you able to cope with that? What did you and I know you've seen certain people fall back, but what did you do to carry on the legacy for put entertainment? I actually man, see, you know, like I said, I'm from that era of guerrilla. Correct. So man, even then, I didn't sell a bunch of records out of the store. Yeah, so I wouldn't part of that era. I was right in between of the shift. You know, OK, so when I actually started to move records, I was out. I was out at the Trump. OK. You know what I'm saying? I did see a lot of money that way. But when the digital world came, I was on. So I was on streaming platforms in O six. OK. Before a lot of other people like that knew about it. Yeah. So I learned the stringing platforms. OK. I learned about algorithms and learned about how your name could be attached to another name and that name it alone would give you more recognition. Correct. You know what I'm saying? So I started doing mixtapes with, you know, with other artists that had names. Yeah. Doing features with other artists that had names and throwing them out there, throwing the mixtapes out there. At that time, they wasn't so monitored to where you couldn't use. You didn't have to have a license to use certain things. You know what I'm saying? But they wasn't. But now, you know, you won't it won't even go on the platform. If you if you're not license, you can't get a GZ version. Throw it out there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You got to have rights to use it and so forth. And you did then, but they wasn't strict about it then. So it was just about having different mixtapes throwing them out there. So I learned the algorithms of how streaming platforms work. OK, let me ask you this. Who is it? Did you have anything to say? I want to go back a little bit. I know you said that your father was not in your well. You were raised by your single mom. Right. Where was your dad? My dad was, man, you know, Papa was rolling stone. Yeah, I get I'm saying like he and today me and my dad have a cool relationship. You know, I'm saying we good. I think then you didn't have. But then he wasn't he wasn't there. You know, I'm saying he wasn't there. So, you know, do you think that impacted your life as a young boy growing up? Um, I think when when a household doesn't have both parents, it's impactful, regardless of how it impacts whether it's negatively or positively. It's impactful. So did it impact my life? Definitely. But I would say that. It made me a more determined man. OK, you know, I'm saying it made me more determined to be there for my family. So because a lot of people I know become rebellious and start to act out and do all of that sort of stuff. I was never that with my parents. I was never rebellious. You know, I had, you know, and to this day, I'm not, you know, I'm saying, but did I condone what he do? What he did? No, I don't. You know, I'm saying, do I understand what he did to an extent? But it doesn't. It doesn't justify. Ask him, why did you? Why weren't you there before my mom passed? I've had conversations with her. I had conversations with my pops. Like as a child, you have to get the understanding of your parents before you. You know, I'm saying. That's right. So you can understand why why you are exactly. So I did that. I had what you want to break that you don't want it passed down. Right, right. You definitely don't want to, you know, because I will my generation of my family before me, we didn't come from, you know, generational wealth. We didn't come from knowledge of wealth. You know what I'm saying? We didn't come from knowledge of finance, financing. You know what I'm saying? I'm financing. We didn't come from. A lot of black families don't educate their kids on finances. Well, a lot of black families don't have the education on finance. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. So with that being that, that's what I wanted to break. You know what I'm saying? No. That's the bridge. That's the, yeah. And you have a child, right? I do. How old? She'll be 13 in November. Okay. And you were with the mom? No, I'm not. I'm not with the mom. So you have that broken home again? Right, right. But what we do, we do, we co-parent. We're very good at that. There's no, because me, my mom didn't deal with my dad at all. You know what I'm saying? We was here with that. Complete separation. So you see some coming together somewhat. Yeah, but granted, we're not, I'm not with my child's mother, but we do the absolute best at co-parenting. And we have an understanding that to hell with what we're going through. Exactly. It's her. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. That's awesome. I said, man, you just describing a lot of brothers that's, you know what I mean? Coming up in the inner city, right? Like people go through things and that's what make you, what don't kill you make you stronger. Stronger, yeah. And I know that to be a fact. You know me, I'm a fast forward. Right back into the music. Go ahead. I want to ask you about just UGK and their impact on the whole Houston culture and what they mean to it. Yeah, well, UGK is definitely important to, you know, Southern Texas period. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because they are, of course they're Port Arthur, but they was with Jay Prince and everybody else. They were up here. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Barn Ribs, Houston, he lives out here. Yes. You know, he sold love to PA and he sold love to Houston. You know what I'm saying? So impactful, very impactful. I remember Jay Prince told a story about how when he first heard that, was it too hard to swallow that first album that he drove fast as he could down there because he wanted to, you know, just sign them and just be with them and just love what he had heard in that album. They were an iconic group, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You couldn't, it's nothing, you can't mention Southern music without UGK. They are the kings of the underground. Like, it's no question with that. You know what I'm saying? They have made so much influence. So many influences, it's such a big impact in just Southern, not just Houston, Texas, Texas alone, Louisiana, Mississippi. You got crit, you wouldn't have crit if it wasn't for UGK. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. I definitely agree. Do you know Bunn personally? I know Bunn a few. I've been in the same room. Well, like he's done records for my artists. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I call Bunn, like he's on Big Frats Afraid remix with him and Zero. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Another one of my artists, Dougie Dee, who's from Guerrilla Mob, I don't know if y'all are in the group of Guerrilla Mob, but that's Trey Zero, Dougie Dee. That's Guerrilla Mob. Dougie is one of my artists now. You know what I'm saying? So, he's on the single so hard with Dougie. You know what I mean? So I wanted to know, is there a story that you can enlighten us on of something that maybe Bunn told you about or just, you know? How far away did he influence you? How far away? Yeah, I can say more of an influence because me and Bunn hadn't had any interaction with him. In-depth conversation. We've talked, but you know what I'm saying? Like just in-depth conversation to where something he's just, you know, it would be something I took from it. You know what I mean? That's right. But I took a lot from his career though. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Like... You're a professor or something, right? Yeah, yeah. He was at U of H. U of H, yeah, that's dope. But just the biggest thing with Bunn that I could take away from what he's done is consistency. Dope. Consistency. Bunn never stops. Dope. You know what I'm saying? He never stops. Do you think that when you look at... Just overall, when you look at like back in the days, the big hawks, the fadpats, you know what I'm saying? R.I.P. to them boys, man. Definitely. That whole time, that was a different time for me. You know what I mean? That was a whole movement in itself. That was a golden age of... Right. That's why I said Austin a while ago because I thought about fadpats. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, man, I remember, you know, he was frequenting down there in Austin. Yeah, I mean, they loved him out there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They loved him out there. Man, like, Hulk was... Man, Hulk... I've met Hulk probably like four, five times. The first time I compensated with Hulk, I was on a three-way call with him and Zero. And Ro was like, hold on, I'm finna call Hulk. He called Hulk. This was probably like 2002. Okay. You know what I'm saying? He was like, man, I'm finna call Hulk. I think they had a show. You know what I'm saying? And he was asking Hulk, can he do one of the songs that he got with Zero? And Hulk was such a humble, cool person, man. Like he was... He said, he told Ro, he say, you know, I mean, he didn't pay for this show. Ro didn't pay for this show. At that time, man, we probably getting like five, six hundred hours for a show. He told him, man, you know, I see, you know, what he can get you for. He said, man, Ro, don't worry about that, man. Get your money. I'm gonna come and do it for you. Already? You know what I'm saying? That's dope. And, you know, Hulk at the time having a bigger name. You know what I mean? And he just gonna come and make this appearance for Ro. Do this song that he did with Ro at his show for nothing, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, that let me know that Hulk was a real general, man. He was a real person, you know what I'm saying? And I actually met him a few times after they talked to him before he passed. He actually agreed to do a song with me. Wow. And we never got to do it. Yeah, but dope, dope that y'all even had the interaction, right? Yeah. Do you think people come to Houston and steal different things and go take it back home? Think? Like I know that they do. You see what I'm saying? We got evidence, you know what I'm saying? I've seen you on a name one. I'm not gonna, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna take it lightly, but I'm just saying, like I've seen guys who when that era was going on, dipped up in here, tried to, you know, it was a plot. I seen it as a plot, you know, to separate, because you can divide something, you can try to, you know, knock it out the box. And I seen that and it frustrated me. I'm not gonna say no name, but I know exactly the times, because I love music. I'm a hip hop head. So, and I would see it and get so frustrated because I'm like, oh, they fail for that. I can't believe it. You know, it was some things with, when you look at the, I mean, I go back and look at all of the eras. I'm not gonna name, because I love everybody and I'm friends with a lot of these guys too. But I can say that Houston has some dope and I think people've seen that and I think it was also, it wasn't done on a way that where I'm a directly affected, but I'm gonna do things to where, you know, I don't like what they got. We need that over here. Right, right. You feel what I'm saying? We want that movement over here. Houston was probably one of the biggest victims of the culture version. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Definitely, we've had so many styles and things taken from us, or stolen, let me say it that way. They're stolen. Stolen from us, you know what I'm saying? And they went, but again, if we had things set up the right way. You said it earlier. They could have never stolen. They couldn't have ever stolen because you'd have had it right. You'd have had it right. What's your top three artists of all time, man? Dead or live? That's a question I ask on every episode. Any genre. Dead or live? Any genre too. So we different, across the board, number one. Well, I love hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. So, but my top three artists of all times, I always go with pop because just. Two-Bop, that's a dope choice. Pop, face. Number two, face. We didn't get to talk about face once, but that's my boy right there. Love is new. He lives here, right? Yeah, yeah. You can't get a bad verse out of him. I betcha that. Nah, you're not gonna get a bad verse out of him. Number three. And number three, Al Green, man. He went back. Yeah, he went, he went all the way back. Like, that dude was music, man. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I listened to him today. And he go in, don't he? Yeah, man. He was such a unique voice. He just, like, his music was music, man. You turn on Al Green, you know it's Al Green. Dope, man. You know what I'm saying? I love Al Green. Yeah, yeah, I love him too, man. Yeah, if I had to go four, I'd say Bob Marley and then, you know, five, I'd round up my top five. You know I'm not letting you do all that. We only doing three. But what's up with Beyonce, man? She from down here too, Megan Thee Stallion. Yeah, cause you didn't have no females on the top three. No, no, no, we ain't talking about that. I'm just asking him. No, I'm not, no, I'm not. I was asking him. Whatever, I'm talking about, listen, only thing I'm talking about, how, you know, how do you feel they, you know, move the culture in the city, man? Oh, yeah, Beyonce first and then Megan Thee Stallion being the first rapper from Texas. Well, I'll say Beyonce, Beyonce is unmatched, you know what I'm saying, with what she done. You know what I'm saying, how far she took it. Megan, man, I love with Megan. She the first rapper from Texas that to blow up like that, bruh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Period, I ain't talking about just from Houston, I'm talking about from Texas. Megan, first female. Yeah, first female artist, that's right. Yeah, yeah, she puts boundaries that, you know, male artists has been trying to do. Oh man, to be a female and to do that, man, I never would have seen that coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't think about it. Me and I think it was me and DeRoe. And we was like, she the first female when he was on my cell, I was like, you right DeRoe, she the first one. Because we never thought about it before that, you know. And then, you know, and she jams, you know what I mean? Like, well, as far as her delivery is super dope. You know what I'm saying? I love, like for instance, I mean, I'm not too big on that shit song, but her delivery on the song. Going in. It's crazy. Wow. So what do you think about Erica Banks? I hadn't heard much of her. She's still young in the game. Yeah, but like the song she have, I think it's a dope. Like it's actually a sample of one of my favorite Nellie songs. Oh yeah. It was stupid. Yeah, yeah. So I think it's pretty dope, you know what I'm saying? But I hadn't heard much of her. She just now started, you know what I'm saying? I think she got a long road ahead, but I think she's gonna be dope. So what else do you expect from your label? Like the next two years, where do you see HUD Entertainment? I see us being the pinnacle in face of what Houston business should look like. Okay, so what you saying that and you're still, what Houston, how are you or do you ever plan on trying to bridge that gap between Dallas and Houston? Yeah, I see the thing, like I say, I've been, I was going to Dallas back in the day, so I've worked with Dallas artists a lot back then. I'm definitely, I'm about togetherness, you know what I'm saying? But I know to fix a problem, you have to fix it at the source, and my source is Houston, you know what I'm saying? So once I can fix it here, then maybe other people will see what's going on and then they can, cause you know, with this music, everything is about what's trending. And if we could trend business, then we can change business. You know what I'm saying is, you know what the pioneer of it is, the Dallas and Houston thing, for his prison, for his football teams, all this stuff is causing a big rivalry. It's always been a rivalry and that's, but that's the fun part of it. But you can have a good rivalry, right? But you know what I'm telling the truth, that's the core of it. The core of it, okay, the Dallas, Dallas, the football teams, the football teams, you know what I'm saying? The basketball team, but mainly football. Basketball or mainly football. So that's supposed to be a fun rivalry. Right. You know what I'm saying? But when you're in the can, it's niggas that watch those games. They serious. And it's serious. You know what I'm saying? Then you get into fights with niggas like over Dallas. So it then it becomes a real problem. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So it's- People can get killed behind it. And people have gotten killed. And people have gotten killed. So it's deeper than just music. Cause I don't even think it's a problem on a music Houston Dallas scene. You know what I'm saying? I really don't- I don't either. I don't see the problem. I think it's more the rivalry thing that keeps that wedge in between. Yeah. That's what I think. But anyway, man, you giving us a dope interview, man. You open your doors up to us. Man, hey, man, I'm coming back. Yeah, I set my cameras outside that door and be sitting there, nigga just recording when you get here. You know what I'm saying? Man, you're welcome back, man. I appreciate you talking about it. Thank you so much, man. For real, man. Hey, man, we love you, brother. Man, I love you back, brother. Yeah, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment of Bostock 101. And we out.