 George Bruno with the 21 report we are at the 21 summit actually the end the post-game show of the 21 summit We're in Orlando, Florida The year is 2020 and I'm having a conversation With the founder and president of the 21 summit and the Manusphere Anthony dream Johnson welcome to the show. Yes, sir. Good to bear All right. We have four days behind us a lot of work went into this Yeah, Socrates said you dared to pull this off. Yep, I can say that you did you did it Thank you hold it off. I feel like it too. I feel to my bones, man Usually I'm exhausted after an event and I feel physically a little you know tired from doing, you know Sleeping so little sleep and work my ass off like everybody else But I feel like a million bucks or a billion bucks man I feel awesome and I feel you have my bones and feel my spirit and I feel just super awesome about it I know how much we nailed it everyone I just I mentioned this yesterday to one of my GM James that everyone performed at a super high level in terms of even the attendees I guess but I'm talking about speakers staff volunteers, especially the guys that we knew coming back with the alumni You know staff and volunteers killed it killed it killed it killed it and that happened is kind of organically Maybe it was a good momentum. Maybe it was a good year for it. The year being so sucky Actually, I think maybe is what helped inspire that people wanted a good experience They wanted to have a good time. They wanted to go to Florida, you know The governor's been good here a lot of the Kobe stuff had they want to go to 21 summit They want to learn they want to be better men. They want to have something positive and such a negative, you know toxic kind of year so 21 summit I think provided that and It's been an awesome year for me. I mean the year has sucked in a lot of ways in terms You know the government stuff and the Kobe stuff and all that but Yeah, it's just super awesome. Like I am amazed that how well this went You know We've only done before 21 summit one convention at a time either the Patriarch or the under 21 or of course the main event 21 convention We did to we did a brand new event We did the second Patriarch and we did the main event for the 19th time or whatever in 19th time since 2007. So this was just This is unreal. I mean this was truly epic and everyone felt that I feel that you feel that we all feel that the new speakers even feel That the new guys I mean coach Greg and like Bulldog for example, and they must be just like holy shit Yeah, they think this is the normal for them now Yeah, and this is this was we've done amazing events for you know forever and especially since 2017 when you started the 10-year anniversary But yeah, holy shit, man. This was like epic truly epic. There was a lot of moving parts here. Oh, yeah No, and it took every single volunteer every little cog every little gear to make this happen Yeah, and there was just enough experienced people here to model behavior To show the way and enough new people to watch The old people learn you had returning attendees. You had returning speakers and New attendees and new speakers wait a new Gender of attendees a new gender. I mean literally yeah literally Because there's only two genders is that correct? Yeah, I'm a big fan of the two-gender system It's worked very well for a couple hundred thousand years Yeah, and yeah, there are only two genders anything else is pseudoscientific garbage. We're not gonna have another Convention with a third gender not planning on it. I'll consider it You know okay if one pops out of the womb here for our species. Yeah, but until then well, I think you know I've said before Sort of seriously sort of jokingly jokingly that women Women see three genders. They see men. They see women and they see betas by the mouth Jesse Peterson style but now there's just two genders to gender system It's a great system and we should keep that intact indefinitely. Yeah The 22 convention make women great again started out super controversial. Mm-hmm. I didn't Let's pause on that because remember in late 2018. We actually announced that event You did the website went up and it was you did whoever was on at you and AJ I think it was you and AJ on it or something. It was you and AJ on the headliners And it didn't really do much but when we fully announced it. Yeah, I went nuts. It was amazing or amazing as we like to say yeah It was a risk wasn't it? Oh Yeah, it was a huge risk. I mean we got serious heat some of her speakers had really serious legitimate legal issues fate coming into the event just by Associating with the event as a speaker not saying anything and not and not otherwise endorsing it You know the content is the contents marketing, you know, they're not responsible for that They didn't do that you didn't go on the website and type the marketing and stuff But no, there was serious issues death threats threats of violence bombs mass shootings we actually had to change our Logistics for the event a little bit in terms of usually a people We don't tell anyone where the venue is at for the main 21 convention ever Just to keep it private safety security big fans privacy But for this event or typically in the past we email the attendees, you know The venue once they buy a ticket buy ticket of course tell you where the venue is at the hotel room all that This event for both the men the fathers and the women all three events They didn't even get the venue location until 72 hours before the event started. Yes, because I was just so You know concerned based on the feedback that was so intense and hostile that they were gonna try to protest Especially threatened to we found reddit posts Facebook groups I heard Planned Parenthood in Orlando was coming after us trying to organize to cancel the event cancel culture And I've been preparing for that for years because I knew this event would most likely to get super controversial and I won we won we win and these losers lost because we had the event and now we're out of here with the footage It's like a like a like a bank. Hi, so they run get the footage and run Yeah, but anyway, yeah, they did actually in a call in the hotel and trying to get us canceled even at 72 hour mark 40 about 48 hours out they're blowing the phones up and Yeah, they stay followed through on the word the venue and I'm really proud of them, too I'm really happy I chose this place and that we're here and we got it done. Yeah at any point. Were you worried about anything? Hmm Not really like we had a really good safety Coordinator and security team things like that. We heard law enforcement of as usual to protect the events The part of Orlando that we do the events in there's not really that a protest anyway You stay away from the kind of the protest areas and Orlando is pretty safe anyway with that stuff Not to say but pretty mild in Florida than the place really had protests this year for example We're like major ones were like Tampa and Miami, which were not where Orlando So I felt pretty good. I myself a carry fire. I'm full-time at the events I'm not security person. I'm just an individual a man and adult and a Floridian But I take safety seriously for myself and I don't know what anyone else to get hurt So I take personal responsibility for that too isn't to an extent as an event or manager and organizer No, I felt pretty good everything was super smooth and there's always a risk though I mean there's always a small chance at minimum that people want to protest cause problems You know through a Molotov cocktails peaceful burning looting as we call it. Yeah, but now we had none of that the feminists Either they got distracted by Trump or covert or whatever. They're just they're just like, you know Hyperactive they can't you know focus on anything too long. Yeah, they still hate us But they lost and we won so much winning you're gonna get tired of it. I know it What was the highlight of the 21 summit people have to realize 21 summit was three different conventions under one roof at a convention center this place hosts conferences and conventions all the time That's what they do. We had the 21 convention we had the patriarch convention and then we had the 22 convention make women great again There was a lot going on here. Yeah, what was the highlight for you? Man, I know it's hard to come up with one thing. We're one day after two here in the post game show I still get a process catch up and sleep. Yeah, we all are at this point Yeah, you know during the event sometimes as the manager anywhere as the organizer the event architect I've had like I've gone on zero hours of sleep, but this year I was doing about two to three at night Sometimes four so you get sleep deprived. It's so tough to process all the events that happened Man, I'd say actually one of the highlights was the interview Just did with the guzzies I call them like the Brady's the Brady bunch the guzzie bunch Yeah, that was a really impressive interview Tanner and his wife You as a you know interviewer did fantastic and they were just you know Bracaeli in particular She's one of the first woman. We've ever interviewed right after Jennifer Molesky. That was impressive to see that kind of content Speaking particularly about patriarchy and being humble on these things right alongside her husband right there He was also talking about his experience so candidly about their marriage and all that they were on the same page Weren't they yeah, and here's what that represents that represents masculinity and femininity getting along and interacting in a really positive Productive way because she's very feminine. Yeah, and he's very masculine. Yes So it wasn't just them as individual human beings getting along, which is excellent and good as a married couple But really represents like what needs to happen in culture. We've been a culture where gender relations are collapsing The genders are kind of at a nonviolent war. There's a lot of combat intention The 2010s as we saw with me too and the rise of super radical feminism was an example that but they have a very healthy relationship And that's very healthy gender relations We just saw and to see that at the event to see her promoting patriarchy and saying she cherishes it That was seriously impressive that blew me away. Yeah, but also say with the conferences I mean, yeah Running three three conventions at the same time that was a challenge and I knew that would be a challenge We've wanted them one at a time before that now last year We did three at three throughout the year, but they were separated not compressed into one So as I tell them the speakers I was joking. I was like last year. I did three conventions in the same year Now I'm gonna do three at the same time for my next magic trick Done boom. Do you see a fourth convention being added or is? Yeah, for sure like we could do the under 21 convention again We've done three of those in the past for young men. That'd be a fourth one We could do I don't know if I want to do for at the same time I just did three at the same time and it was like I knew I could do that I knew in a confidence way. I had belief in myself I knew I had the technical ability to do it and the intensity and the energy required But it's different to think and know these things and believe those things and then actually do it physically like walk your talk So I pulled that off and that was I guess I'm proud of that too I'm not just I guess I'm proud of that But that's a highlight of it is being able to do that and feeling that in the moment during the event But also you mentioned like some highlights I'd say seeing you know a woman speak at 22 Jennifer Malski I was a lot of fun. We got woman's playing and going They promised a man's planning and the game a side of woman's playing at the end there. That was fun How'd that go? I didn't get a chance to see it. Well, good. Yeah, she was very animated like we were talking about I think it's gonna translate well on a camera Okay, and I thought you did as a speaker one of her first times didn't public speaking she did really well Yeah, I was impressed. I would say too that my own speeches. I was really happy how they came out Yeah, I like focused on you guys primarily terms of marketing stuff But you know being up there and having the lights on you and the cameras and all the eyeballs and stuff Really happy thought they came out and it's difficult to pull off speeches in the middle of running three conferences Yes, or even one conference. So that was badass Seeing the patriarchs. I'll say this to seeing Tanner and Zach operate almost completely independently the patriarch edition That was a real like proud moment for me to see that happen. It was a sigh of relief too Like right they got that covered they got that handle the patriarchs got the patriarchy over your handle thick fucking fantastic So there was a there's just so much to unpacked. I mean it was it was unreal But even seeing you know walking on the hallway and just seeing the men at 21 convention and feeling and seeing the woman at 22 And the father's down here. I mean it was a whirlwind of this energy and action and intensity and dialogue and intellectual stuff content and emotions like Yeah, I was unreal man super summit 21 super duper triple summit. It really was now there were guys sitting in the patriarch Convention whose wives Were in the 22 convention and that's interesting how a husband a wife can attend an event like this There was one step further than that There was a patriarch attendee think it was only patriarch attendee and then he had his wife at 22 convention And then they had their eight-week-old daughter With the mom and 22 who's pretty well behaved and pretty pretty quiet and all that Yeah, so she was a technically the youngest attendee ever Over any of our conferences eight weeks old and I was like gosh He's the greatest woman ever and right off starter boom make her great again. That's great start great Yeah weeks, you know the demographics of the 22 convention were single women married women Some divorced women Women who women who've had children. They were mothers in there. There's women who never had children There's some feminists in there a feminist one or two at least. Yeah And a couple grandmothers. Yeah, that's a pretty good That's a very diverse group of women. Mm-hmm different races, too. Oh, yeah different religions all kinds of stuff Yeah, all the stuff the the the feminists and the lame-stream media and then these radical lefty wackos and stuff Like they talk about diversity, but they have none of it. They hate diversity of ideas and they hate diversity of opinions Yeah, we have diversity across every spectrum. You can imagine there's did there's you know There's I'm an atheist speaking alongside Christian pastors and Christian reverence and they even they don't get along on everything They get along, but they don't agree and everything. Yeah, it's some important ways Yeah, and then I'm an atheist and then there's other guys like me and then you know all kinds of Yeah, we just have a lot of that stuff in a very healthy and positive way that the feminists and stuff They they pretend to have that but they don't we have in spades By the truckload and it's cool and it works and it's put together in that way where we share common values and missions and purposes, you know, like family and fatherhood masculinity and femininity So it's pretty pretty amazing to see that. Yeah The 22 convention was not filled with victims was it? No, I think it was very much the opposite woman who wanted to Uh make themselves great again, right? They wanted to support what we were doing even above and beyond themselves And I heard even uh, I don't know if it's Pat Steadman or Socrates or somebody But they said they were talking to a few of the female attendees in the hallway You know the kind of the hallway conversation experience one of the most important parts of attending any 21 event or 22 event But they said it was a therapeutic to just to be there Uh just to hear the speakers talk to them get the the mansplain and as we call it But it varies genuinely sincerely that like this is awesome because they don't get to hear from men You know feminism, I think is really strangled masculine voices in culture Grandfathers and uncles and fathers. They're not really able to talk Especially once the children into adulthood young to women anymore. That is neutered It's neutered not only in real life and day to day life But in movies and tv and art and entertainment and news and stuff It's rare that you see that like a masculine voice on tv Like where do you see that Tucker Carlson? Maybe or some or trump and super bobastic kind of way But it's really rare and it has to be at a high level And so they got a lot of that they got unlimited mansplaining basically For me and all the speakers there. So that's cool. You know, I'll say one more thing too That I'll say that this is this is a moment that I I want to get on camera And 22 can mention them one of the water breaks, you know after a speech between the speeches There was like a feminist girl and she said she was a feminist the two girls behind her And they started arguing didn't get to heat or anything But they started arguing and this girl was again the feminist blah blah blah and this girl was like no feminism is super toxic And they were kind of not I'm maybe over playing the the voice You know inflection on it But it was really kind of like that and I could see them there wasn't Anger or madness, but What a couple of inches from that and it was there it was combative Yeah, nothing too crazy, but it was combative and I was I was like that's awesome Where do you see that like no women's arguing with each other about it? And I was so proud to see that and I was like that is a spark that could light a fire And we're getting that kind of stuff on camera here at 21 not the attendees per se, but the that's kind of conversations See it was a magical event. I would say all of it. Yeah, I heard more than a few women Say after chatting with them out in the lounge area and in the hallways The common theme was I feel like I was brainwashed. Yeah, that's what they said Those were their exact words. I feel like I was brainwashed. Yep I agree. And I know Pat Steppman talked a lot about that in one or both of his speeches Uh commissioning and propaganda and stuff has been super effective and feminism I've out crossed many spectrums of life out in the west, but feminism is a big one I called it my speech the religion and I had previously too Basically, it's the religion of modern women if you look at religion in terms of a set of beliefs that guide your life In terms of important decisions and day-to-day beliefs and interactions Family relationships marriage things like that It really dictates how they feel and believe in what they're going to do with big decisions in life and small ones too So, yeah, it's it's brainwashing for sure and it's bad and it's toxic and it needs to end The idea with feminism today that feminists will openly propagate Is that you know feminism needs to go on indefinitely into the future like when is it going to end? They have no answer just forever forever and ever and ever and ever You're gonna smash the patriarchy forever even though it's already in pieces and burnt to the ground It's delusional crap at this point and it needs to end like you know quality and before the law is a good thing You know quality before god or nature or whatever and that's a good thing beyond that This is super toxic Orwellian crap and it's got to end and we are actually doing something about that This is the real in my opinion the first cultural pushback against feminism That's not political. It has very little political involvement at all It just looks like it was just funny and pisses off a lot of people which is fantastic gets attention you know triggers them Yeah, we got to push back against it in a useful funny provocative way That you know walks a lot of good lines and balances even killed and in spite of the ambabastic marketing I think we've actually hit the nail on the head and the woman who attended saw that first hand Skeptical or you know encouraging as they were walking in whatever the case was. Yeah Yep, I loved you too, man. I know that heard them. They're they're they called you a dinner actually is funny too One of them they were just talking how much they They enjoyed your speech and you being there in the way you communicate with women And they're like and she good. She was almost twirling her hair. You could see her just kind of like George Bruno But she was like, yeah, you can tell he is a hairstylist And my safety coordinator my guy teedog. I call him He uh, he's like no, he's a barber and she's like, oh, oh, yeah a barber I don't even know if there's I mean there's a difference, but there is a difference. Yeah, it's two completely different trainings Okay, okay, but for the woman, that's just how she referred to you and she yeah, that's just her experience I guess insulting a silver. Yeah, so she feels it and that's why I'm risky too. Yeah, women love them men revere them And I knew you would have that effect on them. Yeah, Texas got them too. They really love Texas. I I had heard that Yeah, yeah, which is kind of surprising, but I'm glad it I'm glad it happened. Yeah, not too surprising but interesting Do you think this was Do you think the 21 summit And the way it was executed Is successful enough to want to duplicate it again A year from now. Do you want to do it again immediately? Yeah, 100% Yeah, tickets. I think one or two sold last night already. Yeah We're ready to roll We're gonna do, you know next year 2021 the year of 21 21ception 21 conventions and 21 21 2021 all that stuff 21 summit 21 convention 20 of the major paycheck edition unlimited 21s We will have 22 convention again the second one and the plan is to keep repeating it Uh, more or less, you know, indefinitely until I just don't feel like doing it or there's a reason to stop doing it So yeah for next year for sure the second 22 convention in 2021 at 21 summit Probably going to be uh, it's going to be in october I don't know the exact weekend yet, but october 2021 And I think it'd be bigger and better the fact that we had we pulled it off You know, we had to change the schedule due to covet, you know lockdowns and crap And then people couldn't even travel in due to you know travel restrictions and you know concerns about the virus and stuff The fact that we actually pulled it off and then on top of two other events is just amazing Uh, you know, I think the media the mean a good morning britain, for example, they were kept contacting me before the event Uh, you know, I almost went on the show again on the start of the event at thursday morning Scheduling issues, so we ended up doing it But basically they were kept asking me repeatedly even like two weeks out in a week out I'm like, why are they asking me the same question again? Like is 22 convention happening? I'm like, yeah, it's happening Like tickets are on sale the venues paid for and booked like we're doing it and they just couldn't believe it Maybe because they're in britain and britain has really the uk has heavy lockdown restrictions So that's their reality, but in florida and here and i'm like, yeah, we're doing it And sure as shit. We're done. Boom. It's just in the hard drive ready to rock. Yeah That is Well You beat the odds number one because there were some people that were saying that You'll never be able to pull it off. Yeah Because of the restrictions across the country. A lot of people are saying that. Yeah, yeah Inside and outside the man's fair. Yeah the controversial nature of The 22 convention which the execution was flawless And also I just think the concept of the summit Of having everything together Under the same roof is very unique challenging. Yeah. Yeah How far did people travel from? We had a few international that was you know limited We lost a lot of speakers due to that due to the last minute due to cobit stuff But yeah, they traveled mostly from the united states around a few from florida but not many Most of they were flying in So that's something yeah, but we beat the odds man I've called myself previously since about 2018 an unstoppable american entrepreneur But I guess really i'm the unstoppable american dream and I proved that To the to the nines here to the tea you did. Thank you. You did absolutely It's kind of surreal to actually do it, you know in the middle of the pandemic and all this crap But I knew that I could and I knew if I'm a nose of the grindstone and surrounded myself with the right people Good people good men a good woman too. Yeah, we'd nail it and we fucking nailed it. Yeah, this is really really awesome I can't wait to get the videos edited online and just start just blasting the internet and you know angry and more feminist Your volunteer staff were incredible. Can you comment on them? Yeah, they're critical to making the event happen We have staff and speakers and you know paid guys too crew, but the volunteers are necessary for a lot of What do you call it? Fine tuning and the the odds and ends the eyes and you know dotting the eyes and crossing the t's And without them the event would not run to smoothly. So i'm really glad that they came out We have them every year since about 2012. We started adding volunteers And I love them man that this year that they they did really good too. That's it was that was it's an interesting I noticed that with james and my gm yesterday You know from the top down or from the blot them up whatever you're gonna call it Every team we had every group of attendees speakers volunteers staff security all this stuff Everything was just super smooth everyone in on an individual level is performing at a high level And I still don't know exactly why that was everyone usually does pretty good anyway They're gonna be bumps and bruises and you know things happen mistakes, you know, just shit happens at an event It's a live event. It's not like this pre-recorded thing. It's happening like live on the fly It's like a theater. It's a production times three now or four counting the 20 port See, I just worked out really well the energy Maybe people were pent up this year because they were so locked down and cooped up the whole year With a lot of stuff like that a lot of stuff is canceled. The bars are closed around the united states and stuff Just one just went awesome for whatever reason Maybe we have a man of sphere guardian angels, you know i'm looking over us very well The private man and stuff on stuff in arneo. Yeah Yeah Let's talk a little bit about the new speakers. Yeah Comment on some of the new speakers Coach greg was one of the most impressive. I agree. Someone commented to me that he was probably the Like of the best new speaker or the the most surprising to like the dark horse. I guess you call that Yeah, coach greg man. He just I had that feeling going into I even was uh, you know teasing that he makes a good candidate Socrates better watch out for vice president of the man of sphere That's due to his beliefs and his attitude towards the man of sphere and about the connections and the unification of it Unifying it behind like common values and common messages and themes That are universal among, you know, all the different groups and stuff like that See a coach greg was uh, easily one of the best new speakers and probably the best new one And he had the you know, it was his first time here only only a few speakers spoke at all three events Some did one a lot did two and he did all three. Yes other speakers did three two like yourself And I was like, I don't know if you could actually I knew you could push come to shove do that I don't know if that was a good idea though because you have to do like over It's like two dozen interviews like this, which is a lot of work But you did all three and you did great. We did it. But you've been here before you know the drill You know ellie hall's been here before he knows the drill. He spoke at all three Socrates has been here for a long time. He knows the drill and he did all three To put that in coach greg was tough and that dude handled it like a boss He did he had some uh, there was even a woman who was combative You know arguing with him outside the hallways and stuff for his speeches And even it's a lot of the q&a in 22 was very energetic. Let's say it was and everyone handled it really well Coach greg though, man was just on it. I saw him take on the hallway some seriously intense like I just kind of verbal combat and this guy was absolute rock solid frame the dudes got People know him as migtau and you know, I guess stand away from women or whatever the peace sleeve stuff But that dude's got game like I can guarantee he's got game To describe him as migtau is actually putting him in a box. He is so much bigger I think he's self describes is I think he does anyway if he's not I mean, I'll take that back, but I think he describes himself that way And certainly a lot of his followers I think would take would consider themselves. Yeah Who else Bulldog was new that was uh, oh, let's say this You know, I like bulldog. I've known him since last year I was good. He came out good thing But there was one new speaker added pretty late in the game and that was jay vincent And that was really awesome. He spoke at 21 and 22 And for him as a fitness speaker to do 22 is actually, you know, kind of risky and pretty interesting And he took to it like a duct of water is great He did but the reason that he's interesting to me is he was the youngest speaker here I believe he's 30 years old. He's two years younger than me So I got older. I used to be the youngest guy at the event now. I'm like not even the youngest speaker Yeah And we have attendees, you know, eight weeks old or 18 years old too Some of the fathers brought their sons a one father brought two sons. I was like, damn, he bringing a whole whole litter is great Um, but jay vincent did great because this can well it was important to me because the 21 convention event in particular The main event it is a long history and what's called high intensity training or the school of arthur jones for exercise Essentially that spirit of arthur jones He died in 2007, but he was a inventor and uh entrepreneur and millionaire and stuff And we have a net speaker speak on that issue for high intensity training for a couple years now We've had a lot speak on it the biggest names in the world for it. Dr. Ellington Darden, Dr. Doug McGuff, Bill Day Simone Jim Flanagan huge guys in that community that anyway, this is the community It's like the atmosphere and in a sense for exercise. It's its own, you know, subculture And so for him to pick up that torch and he actually started his business After speaking or not speaking of it watching 21 convention speeches from those speakers in the early 2010s Dr. McGuff's speech in particular from 2010 That was awesome to see that continuation of a generation of ideas And he killed it too. The speeches were badass. They were good. Yeah, he was articulate And jacked a shit which helps communicate the message. Yes, of course. I was really impressed with him Yeah, truly was great addition to what we do and so totally familiar with the manusphere too Yeah, so he's a good fit unlike some of the other guys in high intensity training Which would be great for exercise, but they don't not super familiar It's interesting to them to meet the speakers and learn about what we're doing But jared, he knew all that and everything I needed him to know about high intensity training and exercise and fitness So it was a really good match and he's young too. So it was a really It was a unique speaker dad to the event. Yeah Are you going to have a red man group Filled with speakers to do kind of a A post game debriefing kind of thing like I did last year Yeah, we'll do it probably this saturday or next saturday for sure. Okay easily. Yeah. Yeah. I look forward to it. Yeah, definitely Well, this was a great talk. Thank you for a great conference a great summit. You pulled it off It went off well And the fact that you want to do it again and you have no regrets about it My only concern is that it's a year out that my only I need I need to you know, I could use a vacation But yes, um, it's sad. It's sad that we don't get to do it for a year Even though I'd like the time and I will use the time to build it. Yes, and it's sad that we don't get to meet each other again Probably for a year. Yeah, maybe some of us obviously. I see Tony all the time and your dad But in Socrates, but that's you know, a very small selection of dozens of speakers So the meeting at the meeting face to face is just so amazing, man. Highly underrated I can't believe how fast the last year went by. It seems like we weren't just doing this Seriously last October. I can't believe a year went by. I know and the next year is going to go by justice fast So you've got work to do. Yes, sir. Yep Me and my guy my editor. That's right Thank you, sir. Thank you, George the conversation with anthony dream johnson Founder and president of the 21 summit and of the manisphere