 And in a minute we are going to start off our discussion about equity, diversity and inclusion. Imo is going to be here to have the conversation or answer the question. And we definitely encourage you to join the like video audio. This is not a presentation. So it would be much better if we will, you know, we can see you and you can chat and speak rather than waiting for us to look at the Q&A. But of course, if you don't feel comfortable with that, you can use a Q&A for asking questions and we are going to answer that as well. I hope you know how to join us. There is a button on the right top, a purple one, which would say like audio videos, I think. And when you click, it's going to check whether your audio video is ready. And then if you say, if you confirm that, then I can add you to our stream. So, yeah. And that's about it, I think. So you can start. Great. Thank you, Pavel. So as Pavel, that's all right, Natasha. If you have any questions, anything that we talk about, then, you know, feel free to add it to the chat. Not everybody is going to want to be recorded because this session is being recorded and we completely understand that as well, that you don't necessarily want to be on camera and then be uploaded to YouTube for ever on the DevComp channel. So whilst we're waiting for people to join or ask questions, let me give you a little bit of an introduction to who I am. Some of you looking at the names I recognize you and I think I know you already. But my name is Imogen Flobmerty. Everybody calls me Imo because it's easier and I prefer it. I work within our customer support group supporting the support folks with all their operations needs. And I've been passionate about diversity and inclusion for many, many years. And for the last four or five years, I think I've been running the DEI group in the Bruno office for Red Hat. This is actually my last weekend as a Red Hat check employee. I'm about to move back to the UK. So I will be handing over mantle of the DEI lead for Bruno to somebody else. I think it's going to be cutting. But I think it's really important that people have the opportunity to meet up right at the beginning of the conference, especially if you don't know anybody or want to make new connections through who are part of the diverse umbrella community. Whether that is you are a woman in IT, you're a member of the LGBT community, you are a person of color, whatever that is, this is a great opportunity for people to meet and chat and get to know each other. And then when you are part of DevConf or you'll go into and I've forgotten what it's called but this awesome new environment that they have for the hallway track here, the work adventure, you can see people, see names that you know and just hop on a quick call with them and say hi. Or if you're in a session, there will be somebody there that you know. And that's basically why we have this session. So please do feel free to ask to be on camera and let's have a conversation. Any questions? Any anything? I don't know of any non-binary parents personally that are at this conference. But this could be an awesome place to meet them if there are. We have 12, 10 people in the room at the moment. And though some of the things that I've been thinking about recently to get us started is there's been a lot of conversations with COVID in recent months around psychological safety. And can we truly have, I mean it seems to me to be a bit of a chicken and egg problem, can we truly have diversity, equity and inclusion without psychological safety? But can we also have proper psychological safety without complete diversity, equity and inclusion? What do you all think to that? Feel free to just chat in the chat window or ask to come and talk to us. I completely agree Natasha. The intersectional oppressions will make people more fragile and more prone to mental health problems. I think the hope is as we get more psychological safety as people feel in a space where they can be honest about their health problems, whether that is mental or physical. As a gay woman who grew up in the 80s in the UK, it wasn't always a particularly safe place to be. At this point my assumption is that everybody knows, but I don't advertise it. For very similar reasons, as you were talking about Natasha, somebody might not accept me. What is an intersectional oppression? I'm not familiar with the term. So intersectionality is where multiple diverse aspects of your personality cross over. So you may be black, female and gay. Those are the three intersectional parts of your personality. It's where different parts of the diverse community come together. Because for the longest time, if you look at feminine, it was always white women talking. It was never women of colour. And the needs of women of colour is different to the needs of a white woman. Or the challenges for a woman of colour is different to the challenges that I might have. You're welcome. So Nicola is saying regarding the COVID impact, in my opinion it lacks the good mental health may hold back and prevent inclusion as we are more focused on ourselves. I agree Nicola. I think with the internet generally, it's really easy to be angry at a keyboard. And you forget that there is a human being on the other end. And so we have become very insular and very focused on ourselves. Oh for sure. The mental health problems can destroy constructive communication. If you know anybody who suffers from depression, the last thing that they do is actually tell you that they are depressed. Everything is fine and it's okay. And they become quite aggressive. At least that's my experience. And they just push people away. And so constructive communication disappears. Sorry, I'm just reading the chat and trying to keep up. I am interested to know which company you work for. I personally think Red Hat, as a Red Hat employee, it has a very good and welcoming environment. I think there are challenges, especially around some of the larger mailing lists that we have, where people turn into internet keyboard warriors quite quickly and go on the defensive. But that's I think a general internet problem. And we are there. Our people at Red Hat actively working to create an environment that is accepting and helping with mental health issues. We have our neurodiversity community who aren't only talking about people who are on the spectrum, but also for other mental health issues. In the Bruno office, we have regular sessions where there is a psychotherapist, I think, who comes in and talks about mental health conditions. We have one session in Czech and one session in English for those of us who aren't smart enough to learn language. I include myself in that. Czech is an incredibly difficult language to learn. And that's another aspect of diversity is language. Natasha, I think I completely agree. I know that Fedora has a good and strong DEI group. That's interesting. I didn't know that Wikimedia France had set up a helpline with a trans psychologist. And as these things become better known as groups and companies like Red Hat share that, it moves out to the community. It's a two-way street. There are things that are happening in the community that are introduced to Red Hat as community people get hired. Or people from the various communities get hired and they start asking for these things and think, hey, we do it here, why can't Red Hat do it? Or Google, or Amazon, or whichever company you work for. Yeah, so I think it's an interesting challenge. But as companies and people come more on board with this, I think it will get easier. It's great to hear that you're hearing from both friends who work here and outside that Red Hat is a good place to be. I've been a Red Hatter for nearly 13 years. And although I'm moving back to the UK, I will continue to be a Red Hatter because I believe it is a very, very good place to be. And I'm opening the link to Mary now and we'll go look that up and make sure to let people know that that's also a great place to be. Any questions, any thoughts? I think providing the help that we can, whether that is through an employee up perspective, bottom up, where we have, for example, a coaching community where associates can reach out to other associates who have some training in coaching. They're not therapists, they are not psychologists, but they can just talk and help, maybe sometimes just listening helps to help with a particular situation. And that is all done on a voluntary basis within Red Hat. And I have seen things very similar to working in the gay community, that there are services. The one that springs to mind is the London Gay and Lesbian Switchboard, which is still running after 30 years as a place where you can phone up, kind of like the Samaritans, where if you're having a bad day, you can phone up and talk to somebody who will understand what your challenges are, and they've had some training. And there are open source diversity and inclusion groups. Some of them run by people who are here, I don't know if Justin came back, but I know he is lovely to see. You're now here as well, who I know is really active in the diversity and inclusion groups for Fedora and open source more broadly. Again, if you would like to join the conversation and not just have a monologue from me, feel free to click the purple button in the top right hand corner of the screen, the meet-up room where you can see my picture, and Pablo and I and come and join the conversation. It's really great to see some names on the list of people who normally I would be sure to be going for a coffee with if we were in person. So please do click on the join the stream link and let's have a conversation. So a question to throw out there to all of you and feel free to add it in, to add your response in the chat is what are your hopes for how a conference such a second could be more inclusive in the future? Do you find it currently not inclusive? What do you think we're doing okay? And whilst I hope some typing methods on that, I will also re-ecorate the question that I asked earlier and rephrase it a little. What impact has the past couple of years had on you and your relationship to the EI groups or the community at large? How can we have it impacted it? It certainly impacted mine. It's made it more challenging. We had a session like this at DevConf 1220 shortly before we all went into lockdown and it was a really great conversation with people you know just just sharing their ideas and their thoughts. It is certainly easier to do that with people in real life but it's great. I'm loving all the comments here in the chat. Luna, yes I completely agree. As long as people are nice or at least accepting you don't see any problems. I also saw some of the hate that OpenSUSA, Arch and KDE and Fedora got when they changed their logos for Pride Month. I think that sucks that there was hate for that people don't like change I think and they perhaps don't see the need and understand the need for inclusivity. It sucks when there is homophobic or any kind of phobic rhetoric. I have to say that when I see it online I do believe that people probably wouldn't say it to my face most of them. It's really easy to be angry at a keyboard. I agree I liked the board with the program stickers and the lanyards to announce whether or not you wanted to be talked to or photographed. I've seen that at other conferences too. Thank you for the time check Pavel. It's really great to have those options and most than that be available because not everybody, especially an IT conference, I think a lot of people are not necessarily comfortable with people coming up and talking to them, strangers coming up and talking to them. Okay, five more minutes and there is Kesharina. I know that we did have a couple of quiet spaces where people could go and sit and relax in the physical dev comp. There was always one by computer museum where there were bean bags and you could sit there and rest and I think there was one upstairs as well where you could go and chill out for a while. Chill out. Chill out at Dev Comp, Bruno in January is probably the wrong words to use because my memory of being on the sector means that it is freezing but where you can go and relax and have some quiet time when you are overwhelmed by crowds and noise. Yeah, so there are those options available. With Chris for letting us know that at CCC there's always nice quiet rooms for people that are not a conference I've been to, I have to admit. I'm hoping that when the world opens up I can get to visit more conferences in the future. So at three minutes left I would like to thank you all for coming and listening to me talk today. Let me just read what Nicola has to say. I understand that's all right that's not a problem Nicola. I understand and kind of agree that people get angry easier in virtual communities and they're less inclusive on the keyboard as I say it's really easy to be angry at a keyboard and I think everybody at this point is frustrated with the Covid situation and is looking forward to a world where we can do Dev Comp in person again and one of the benefits of the hybrid event or the virtual event is that people can join from wherever they are around the world and they aren't necessarily, some people don't like flying and don't come to Dev Comp because they don't want to fly halfway across Europe or halfway around the world and come. So that's also a great way in which this virtual world can be inclusive to people who might not be able to make it otherwise. So thank you. Okay I just want to remind us that if you want to continue the conversation with Emo or between each other there is the work adventure place when you can just join and find each other and then have even less formal way how to see each other and chat. So you're welcome to go there for sure. Great well thank you it was lovely to have this conversation with you and I look forward to seeing you all next year hopefully in person this time and we will see. Thanks everybody. Have a great day and I hope you really enjoyed Dev Comp this year. Thank you very much. Bye bye.