 It's Jeff Angelo on the Jan Michelson Show on News Radio 1040 WHO. We are proudly an I heart radio station Well NBC News reports the 12-time metalist Ryan Lochte has taken full responsibility his words for the incident in Rio that landed him and three other American swimmers in hot water and definitely tarnished team USA's reputation during the summer Olympics he exaggerated an account of being robbed at gunpoint at a gas station and he has now offered an apology and I know that my friend to Jason Troy who's a leadership expert thinks of everything in the light of how it impacts Leadership and Jason joins me on the news radio 1040 WHO newsmakers line Jason. Thanks for taking the time today. How are you? I'm doing beautiful. I'm actually talking to you from 20 stand for a brand Modern technology. I know I so appreciate you taking the time. You told me you're in France, but you're like sure I'll call in. I appreciate that very much So Ben Franklin once said Jason never ruined an apology with an excuse and that's what I've always thought about this I think if you say you're sorry just say you're sorry and be quiet What do you think? What do you think about Jason? Ryan's apology and how should the apology always be handled in leadership situations? Well, I think you have to take full responsibility and own it all and it wasn't an exaggeration with a lot Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean start telling me when you start telling me 50 to 75 percent true what happened is the story keeps building and it looks like you just can't own it and Getting out of control and in fact now he's getting probably pretty fairly punished by the Olympic Committee and in the United States And I mean, I think these are things he could have just got on in front of and there's a lot more people involved in this as well Along with the country that he's this works So this is a huge issue that he could have just owned it all and the story would have died Now it's gonna linger on because he still hasn't taken a hundred percent Responsibility and actually use the correct phrasing that he showed. Yeah, tell me about that I mean really the art of the apology What is the correct phrasing to you and I mean this in a much bigger sense I think this is something that we're all thinking about at this point Yeah, I mean, I think that he should have said I lied I had an alcohol and it got out of control and you know I just wanted to make it all go away and things just fun out of control and I said things I now regret and I should have apologized to the athlete to Brazil to the US to the Olympic Committee and everyone else and just said I just flatly lied about the whole thing and I made it up completely And if you would have said that this would be done because what can anyone say it's absolutely He said everything you can say yeah Yeah, I take a punishment from there But he hasn't done that yet and I think that's what's gonna get him a pretty severe reprimand because they're not gonna wait around for him to take More responsibility and own it and say what I just told you and I think in life that's the problem when we don't actually own up to the things that we do wrong completely and Our apologetic and remorseful for it People around it then at harbor on ill will and they never forgive us and that caused a lot of pain in our life and a lot of Challenges that we have to pay Well, and I'm glad you're going to the bigger point Jason because I was thinking about this in the context of work a lot of times when you're in a company and Somebody messes up they want to blame somebody else They want to shuffle the blame to somebody else because they think that just owning up to the mistake Will make them look bad and that's going to be a permanent problem for them but I think what you're saying and what I think about in my own role in my job is You get more respect by just flat out owning it. Don't you? Yes, when you off load blame and push it on to other people then people get upset Because they realized at that point everyone's to blame except for you and you Everyone's always partly to blame them with everything. They didn't communicate as well They didn't collaborate something happened along the way and everyone has to just own their piece of it and move forward together And just leave it in the past and say hey, we'll do better next time You know, let's just work on being better colleagues better communicators whatever it is And I think then everything moves forward, but if it doesn't then people harbor ill will they try to get you They'll be competitive and then end of the day you lose Yeah, and I think you're making a great point because if a person tries to assess blame to somebody else They they think that that's going to help them in the long term But you're saying the resentment by your coworkers is what's gonna hang long term If you say anything that be construed as partially throwing them or completely throwing them under the bus Yes, because sometimes people will even think their own success if they take someone else down that they don't like There's a lot of things going not in your favor when you do all that Reagan You have managers and supervisors and other people then that are gonna be upset with you as well They won't go to bat for you when it comes to compensation reviews or other things that you might want to do So you just have to remember people is that treat them like you want to be treated all the time They have empathy and if you do that you won't find yourself in these situations or when you do you just got to go Own it we're all humans we make mistakes But don't let some pound the mistake over and over again because then you're gonna have a really big problem on your hands That you'll always look back and regret Jason is it a human thing? I mean I think of I don't remember receiving a lot of apologies where somebody just says I'm completely wrong. I'm sorry and they stop talking Isn't it a human thing to kind of wander into some sort of qualifier when you're when you're saying sorry to somebody else? Yes, it's all about ego There's a great book by Ryan holiday called ego is enemy It's a new book and I think that the part is that we we have egos and we don't want to fall on our own sword And we want to justify things to other people and to ourselves and not look bad Yeah And I've got the part of it and you have to manage your own ego because it's so easy for it to get out of control and get away from you and In line Lockby in this instance his ego is what's preventing him from doing the right thing And it will continue until the day that he actually owns it all and just say I lie So you can do the second apology is what you're saying. Yes, if you messed up the first one the second one's there for you It is because you have it because the alternative is and let the 75 percent truth or more out there And everyone is waiting and saying jeez. He never owned it Yeah, I couldn't you just even at some point just apologize and really be honest about it The other part is the other people aren't accepting the apology because they know it's not the truth and in this situation Because they've got actually evidence of it So what's gonna happen is the US has to come on down and really hard because he hasn't taken responsibility and Brazil's gonna be upset at the US unless they do something on this So it's a huge incident now and people shouldn't kind of get involved who are and now they're under significant heat and pressure Leader chefs for Jason true Jeff in for Jan WHO