 Also your streams not up now Well, apparently is streaming some goofball one that I didn't ask for This is a series this is a serious business we're doing where this is an official of Production All right, whoops, none of us are hopped up on goofballs Speak for yourself. I Love me some goofballs That's right. They go and like oh, oh, thanks happening man New stream everybody new cool place to hang out now. Yeah, all of your friends. It's an open secret Done done done done and says 216 I believe oh there we go We should be good. I'm the chats coming in on the actual screen now. Hallelujah. It's a Christmas miracle everyone Crumb Because whenever a good thing happens during December is Christmas miracle, you know what I'm doing for for Crimbus day. I don't know go to a bar and get drunk. It's gonna be great. Yeah, what are you gonna do two days after that? Oh, I don't know Visit some weird person. Yeah poop in their house. There's never a client going outside Yeah for a long time actually have to go above the ground for a couple of hours It's crazy Probably some really nice hyperexpensive designer like Under the ground places to buy in the world right as not like secret bases or anything, but like actual houses like a real estate Yeah Silly like caves and hobbit holes. Well, I guess I could buy basement flats, right? Yeah, but I meant a place that maybe isn't as because those places always come across as like listen, okay Times are hard. I haven't got a huge amount of money. We have some under the ground We got a hole over here if you want to rent her out We got a Well here in here in Arkansas because we're in we're in tornado alley. We have we have plenty of Houses, especially out in the country who have little rooms underground that they can go to The classic thing is to have like a little Doorway at the back right of your house that yeah, it's like yeah Yeah, it leads into some kind of storm cellar Yeah, I'm sure there's some met plenty Americans actually they were like fuck this Let's just build the whole thing on the ground Then you're immune to yeah, right If everything's underground you get a bigger yard and then project with hologram technology what the house would have looked like had It been above ground to let people know it's a pretty cool house That's the whole reason you get the whole around technology and pay for it There's nothing but a a mailbox a doormat and just a ladder that leads down And that's it Well, I think that pretty well good sort of leads into talking about God will rock right Yeah, it's fimbled winter. Oh I say storm storm cellar to yeah escape fimbled winter. Yeah, they are that fimbled winter That was super useful for them to justify lots of things throughout the whole game in terms of things that changed for obvious gaming reasons But yeah, they could use then to be like they even make I guess self a weird joke about it Right cuz Brock and Mamiya keep explaining things with fimbled winter and then people get angry at them for saying it at all Like yeah, I know and they're just like all right fine, jeez This is one thing when you're I don't know upgrading your stuff and then sooner ask Hey, what happened to all the other armor we made for you and credit just goes like I used it Those you get the magic doesn't transfer from from mythology to mythology that's something they say in the game Relics get worn down Through fimbled winter and your armor was used Best they could do okay cuz sometimes well as a salesman he should probably say pre-owned but I Was appreciate some narrative justification to none at all. Yeah. No, I appreciate it I thought it was kind of cute that they threw that in there. I was like, I'll get for you You didn't have to a lot of games sort of just trying to be like look guys, you know why you're here Yeah, let's do that. Can't we can't just let you start on level 30. Okay, you know what's going on New game plus, please Which is still not in the game correct? That's gonna be on its way. I heard February is when I have no idea They just put out a big old patch of Rooney with stuff By the way, like wow release the game incomplete. It's like new game plus Like after like two months. I think that's okay. All right. The game is enormous It's probably gonna have more armor again like the like 2018. I imagine so there's even some new content in there I think Yeah, and they now just they put out for photo mode now, which I would have gladly had From the get-go to make thumbnails, but that wasn't allowed. Oh, yeah, the photo mode I saw some cool photos already with that Yeah, could you take photos in 2018? Yeah, they're photo mode in there. Must have been fimble winter then. Yes How does he make sense it how they have it? No, what do you mean better when you could take selfies whenever you wanted brother When you make things Background the photos look real good. Yeah It's just a cool feature. There's always cool stuff from that Because it's like hey finally we use photos photo mode. I can use it for thumbnails because I YouTube yay, it's like no, it's not an attack Then focus changes makes them look real cool Mm-hmm. Yeah, the the first one kind of looks like a figurine really high detail one The winter ruined everyone's credit score I Mean I can't get alone little fimble winner ruin everyone's credit scores So anyway, you guys want to talk about a little bit about this game We talked about it for about a five minutes or so I figured yeah This game just won't leave us alone. I've managed to edit it got everything finished So we will be fine. We can use the thing as intended now The this will take us right through to the end and You know, some people are yours. How long is this gonna take? It's like well, we got through like more than half so We'll be fine. That's impressive for us. Yes. You're proud. Yeah, and I saw I saw plenty of people say they they like So plenty of people say they like the format despite being incredibly long form This is possibly one of the longest form especially considering like the equivalent I saw some people fight over like they've done this before with movies and I I see I tend to agree with the people Refusing that it's like no, we don't do this. This is we don't like play chunks of the movie We can't it doesn't let us and I saw some people saying like well You have unleashed in an ideal world This might be what you would just get it's all people saying like how much they they Realize that we're missing by not being able to play full scene sometimes like true The the tone the delivery of a scene is often damaged when you can only play it in like five second clips at most But hey, we do what we can and I I I'm plenty excited to talk a bit more about this boy So without further ado, we will catch up to where we were though. I rolled back a little bit. What did that wall ever do to you? I'm building focus Something my father taught me It work Seriously, what did it to you? So tell me what you're focusing on anyway My emotions I'm doll keeps trying to make me lose my cool The interesting thing about that line is that that implies to me at least the atreus has been getting up to all kinds of things while we've been away from him Yeah Yeah, we only met Heimdall the one time but apparently he keeps trying to make him lose his cool So he's I think the the what's happening here is just letting us know He's gotten to some level of familiarity now with a couple of people. Yeah. Yeah, including what's his name? Skjoldir Skjoldir Who's the local fun midgardian? Yeah, I can't give into it Training without me it's some hoogan and mugen right other two Yeah, and they've got red and blue I think of the eyes to sort of make them different from cruise. I think yeah, just just check in That a that a good idea training. I mean, I think it's a great idea, but won't your mom be mad if she finds out Good point, but did you consider? No You could punch him almost want to reassure people it's like she's a god Okay You're allowed to see women punch men. Oh, yes They're all gods. All right. We don't need a god ass. What is that? We do how many how many words we're gonna make to make it all complicated gosh God Oh Sorry, I should have mentioned. Yeah, Theo could not make it was unavailable after all I'm afraid or well, it's cuz I mean this this format isn't exactly the Easiest to run into so it could be I don't think there was a specificity on tiredness or scheduling But this did get moved around as well. Unfortunately, but I will say It might be better to have one less person because then we can maybe finish this before Fringy has to leave Which would be yeah, glad you're gone. Oh No, and if anyone else wishes to leave metal then that would be fine. Oh, thank fuck Right, okay here then take this and Send my regards to sip ladies if and trace See you later through By through Guardian boys are so weird Very weird We're better than I imagine. This is for a reason and weird can be good Weird can be good Look at that they called back and they didn't have to and it's mostly something that you wouldn't even notice just I noticed That I'm very smart just another example of the little things they do which is kind of neat And I don't think they give a shit if you remember it or not and they don't really need to write doesn't change much He's picking up game It's a lot more complicated than you think you don't need to know why things but I'm old enough This isn't about your age then what is it about? Because by this point Matthew and Modi were set on the path that led to their death I don't understand. You never try to then help me Why are you so intent to walk the same path and with that boy? No less. I just don't get It's kind of interesting you'd lock something like that behind Yeah, literally a door that you have to eavesdrop on and most people I imagine will probably walk past it But uh, that's one of I think like three times we use drop with like incredibly important Details about family dynamics happening Yeah, Magni and Modi's deaths and lives are quite important to this game People's visions The mask bringing the giant that killed my son's here why I Can explain it to you, but I can't understand it. Oh, then you're such a prick Stop letting your wife think for you. She's clouding whatever's left of your brain. This isn't about her. No It's about your limitations Except them and move on now go smash something will you? Honestly, I let you better as a drunk oof Yes, pretty harsh Yeah, just more vote and Rashing on Thor as we've already seen before Even a bit more a bit more direct not just like a hush hush or just little gestures Like he stood up says like man, I like you better as a drunk. You might remember in the beginning. He just tries to Puts the cups of meat when we first meet meet him like in front of a Thor's like come on But you won't have a little sip little super Rooney. Yeah, which is incredibly fucked up Your side is trying to quit his alcoholism that you're like Odin kind of gets up in the middle that he's like and you're no fun anymore And you kind of don't know exactly what he's talking about but it's about the drinking You're gonna apply that's like, yeah, and he wants his wants his son dependent and an addict and remember this came after the That quote well that comment thought made saying that just like you wouldn't boulder which is the when they Yeah, I imagine Odin's probably especially pissed at him which just Yeah, that's a that's pretty horrible relationship Finally figured it out This is where you killed him here Isn't it? first John Tell me Can you murder a landslide? Smother a storm It was more a force of nature a vessel of power. I was young foolish So an opportunity to create something more. I know you think it's cruel, but I did what I had to protect my own never ever heard that about Amir's death before Yeah, he's like the dad of everything, right? Frost giant and in Mia. I keep what I keep wanting to say Mimia, but in Mia. Why? The only way what I know him as is the guy in smite if anyone's played that in chat Yes, that's every time I heard that name big ol ice boy. Yeah And so it's also the name of the first Titan and attack on Titan a popular anime And even know that and I watched it Well, yeah We were told I think in 2018 Mimia's story about it is really harsh that like Odin Backstabbed his own father because he wanted the power of whatever boa or Odin just said I really liked that he asked like can you smother a storm obviously referring to in Mia being Not quite a being that it's just a guy who's having fun walking around more so As he said a vessel of power and that it could be used for greater purposes And he said he was only trying to protect his own which to be honest with you at this point The story is kind of hard to interpret any other way than probably true. It's Odin's been pretty overtly honest from what we can tell and The problem is like hey man, maybe we don't have a full story on some of these things Maybe Odin's interpretation versus others are gonna be obviously far more favorable to him But possibly understandable from our perspective. So I don't know just another one on top of some others where it's just like, huh? Why build your house here? What's in there? Realist. I'm gonna trust you. I'm trying to tell you in the wake of Amir's dad. I Saw something the rift possibly the birthplace of reality I looked inside and something was there looking back at me it whispered to me Things I couldn't possibly comprehend, but I knew they were true When it blinded me, I thought it was over that I'd never see inside again, and then I found this And I knew that it Which finally let me see the answers you see son. I don't know where I go when I go There's no Valhalla for me Ragnarok cannot be the end. I need to know there's something more than this I need to know What happens to me That what an interesting yep, that is an interesting motivation to provide to know what happens next Yep Really cool all father in charge of everything But like he just he needs to know who things he needs to be certain about the future He does not like the uncertainty of his life And what was the thrust of the Traeus's journey in this game? I need to know where I'm supposed to go what I'm supposed to do who Loki is Yes, remember remember the line. I don't want to hurt anybody. I just want answers. Yeah I Think this not Like an accident that so much of this game is about people wanting to understand and then subvert destiny Or fate But yeah, this is this is what makes Odin Such a strong character. This is all the foundations have been built now already, but we got more common Yes, excellent work And that's the truth. I swear My last good eye, that's the thing about Odin with the truth You just gotta be careful take it with a great assault is understated like it's like yeah How much of this is what you're saying is actually true and what are you trying to gain from having said it? That's the truth the writing on here talks about a cold breath Breath wind It's gotta be hell on Alheim you say I'll take it And I know just the person to accompany you I'm trusting you two can handle this responsibility Didn't she get there you can count on us. I mean like how'd they arrange that? It seems to me that every time like it was it was the bird, right? But there was no sound It should have been a flap flap flap flap flap and then we turn to see I wonder if they just didn't put the sound in Because if they did that would have made a lot more sense unless she was walking the whole time toward this area really quietly Well, I guess she either coincidentally was just on her way down here or he knew that she would be I guess the coulda called matter where Does it like come in soon? She wasn't dependent on going to helheim specifically that I think that's why he whispered to the crow, right was to grab her Well, but then again someone else is about to arrive Uh, so I assume the crow's going for that actually. Oh, baby That was a bunch of times in this game to be silent crows Where's okay Oh What a privilege for all of us Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up. You don't want to walk into the blistering cold of helheim without this I think he doesn't like to please Should keep you nice and toasty. You're welcome. I genuinely think that's because In 2018 I'm pretty sure it was said like no one can survive helheim's cold. Yeah. Yeah So they're like, oh, shit. We're sending everyone there something but then again, we go back There's other helheim sections where we don't have something like this. So they kind Acknowledged it. Well, I guess this is permanent for atreus now, right? Uh, maybe and then kratos is just a god. I don't know exactly know how it works Yeah, I I was gonna they could probably just explain it with Gods And that's another way they're trying to seal this like hey, man, maybe mamiya wasn't to be relied upon entirely Yeah crude Too bad your first time outside asgard has to be the helheim now. We're gonna make the most of this Now as much as I would love to babysit I have something else to do for the our father I believe you fought the valkyries I just don't believe it was grandfather who corrupted them or that he caused the desolation in midgard or that he had on the giant skills Am I missing anything? Uh, lots actually what other heinous crimes is my grandfather committed? Let's see He decimated vanaheim torture tear murdered groha murdered amir goes on and on interesting And where'd you hear all this? Freya and numir told me. Oh, so his traitorous ex-wife and a bitter former advisor got it. Look, you don't believe me, but No, I don't either you're full of crap or you're a hypocrite for helping them Can we just focus on the mission? That's actually something I appreciated the second half of that Like even if you were telling the truth, what the fuck you do it then? Yeah, it's uh, some good points from her perspective. It's like, why why why why should I believe you? Oh, well, I get one perspective and I had this one my whole life. So I don't know just kind of I'm sure odin is the kindly grandpa to her So probably she wouldn't have much and besides obviously the traitors is not to be trusted really right now Especially Like he's not got great stock here. It's like didn't you and your dad kill my brothers and my uncle? It's like, yeah They were dicks, which you kind of agreed with Wasn't always the person he is now, but he changed Maybe odin can too I know how hard it is to hear this stuff, but you should know the truth What you choose to do with it That's up to you. We're okay, right? I guess Maybe our families are just meant to be enemies. Well, not us I don't believe that what I do believe say you'll make a great valkyrie. I'll tell your mom the same thing Even if she scares the life out of me That means a lot So I talk about my mom a lot. What's your dad like? He's Intense Like he's trying to force me into this mold But i'm not sure that's you Well, I know exactly what that's like Thing is I don't know what I want I love that you do you'll figure it out So how'd you know you wanted to be a valkyrie? I didn't always After a bad fight with mom, I snuck out and found them training Somehow every movement they made had such a purpose like they knew exactly where they needed to be And in that moment So did I as I was saying Seeing the valkyries fight all the strength and style Gave me clarity For the first time I saw my path forward Too bad giant to follow prophecy Who cares? Make your own path just like we've been doing here. Oh and look at that Sneaked in throod's perspective on fate Basically every character's been afforded an opportunity to explain what they think about fate prophecy, you know, yeah, and uh, of course Having these two basically she's like we've already seen her parents Well, everybody's like don't be a valkyrie and she's like, but I'd really like to be a valkyrie And so she's just gonna keep and we saw her training and she's got that shit And it was like basically she's going for it and uh, you're gonna have to Um, I mean it's kind of referencing Mamiya, right? It's like walk with her. We won't be walking with her at all Um, not a bad way to plant the seed to steal Angroboto's man either. You're like, oh, yeah You're destined to be with her. Well, why don't we make our own destiny a trend? I could fly once I get those wings, buddy Do you want to hang out at that point? Uh, but yeah and him talking about his, you know, the whole Having a character really doesn't actually know Much of anything about what they want to do like Heimdall pointed that out already Atreus seems to be pretty aware of it himself Um, it can be difficult to give them um sort of a narrative through line But I think what makes Atreus especially interesting with the fact that he's not entirely sure what he's got to do Is being surrounded by characters who do know and so if you got all these people he can align with but uh You know, you'll align with them for as long as he feels like this is the road he should be traveling But sometimes he'll be pushed onto a road as a result of one of the others being too aggressive in trying to uh Tell him what he should be doing what he should want We gotta get out of here. The mask. We're so close Besides, I don't think it's dangerous. Are we looking at the same thing? Maybe he's locked up for a good reason. I can feel what he's feeling. It's a giant thing Look just wants to be free Now that I think is everything you need to answer a question of why we're here, which you'll find out Well, it will be a question you'll ask in a moment But when you got this mask and I did check someone told me this and I was like, oh, was it it's it's described as it is attuned to uh Atreus's goals So like the mask glows based on what Atreus wants and Atreus as we know from as early as alpine possibly earlier He can detect from great distance like great creatures pain um So, yeah, I think the implication here is that he misread I mean, I'm kind of the mask piece is not here is my point. All right. We're about to find that out so don't worry, but um He misread the interpretation to go to helheim and while in helheim felt This thing's experiences and so the mask guided him to this That's that's a question people have about the nature of the mask Um, I don't know if that's my take. I haven't got like I don't know if there's an entry that maybe explains it better or not The piece like the mask maybe isn't specifically Uh linked to him. It's just kind of whoever has it or it seems to me that it doesn't glow when odin holds it But it does when atreus does and I don't know if it's Giant something to do with giants. Maybe I don't know. All right. Let's start with the lock not near its teeth Oh You're welcome manji mutt Let's look in the chamber you was guarding again Please tell me it's down in the water or something. There's How it's not responding anymore This has never happened. You said trust you and we let that thing loose grandfather's gonna kill me We ought to get out of here. Come on You absolute unqualified more You know that thing tears holes between realms, right? Well, that's not good. It's really bad Well, I suppose I should expect nothing less From half breeds don't call me a half Leave him alone. It was a mistake. No the mistake was allowing you to think that you were ready You helped him didn't you? What side are you on anyway? Guppy try me and find out You know what's super interesting someone I've noticed in film, right? And it's hard not to notice it when you notice it at some times on particular moments But when two actors are very close together and one of the actors can't focus on one of the eyes they keep switching Back and forth and back. Yeah. Yeah, so cool. I'm gonna roll it back through Changing which eye she's focusing on so obviously it's taken directly from I guess the performances and stuff. It's just it's just needs to be reminded. That's how far it goes You helped him didn't you? What side are you on anyway? Yeah, it's very subtle. Yeah. Oh, yeah Oh And what are You going to do exactly you see Everyone takes it easy on you because they are afraid of your father I am not How much more interesting is this heimdall than mcu heimdall holy shit Like I don't even I don't even remember. I was gonna say I was actually gonna ask you like Tell me some characteristics of heimdall from the mcu. He was in the three thul films, but it's like I mean he was I just can't remember. He was certainly Idris Alba. Yeah, he was Idris Alba. Yeah Um, I'm actually trying to remember because there's scenes where he talks to thul Sword He was protective, uh, he died. Yeah He died in a fancy war Oh, yeah, I guess He died and I didn't get brought back Yeah, yeah, you're right. He's starting to purge the mcu. He never got brought back The door is kind of hard to get That's priceless he died That's what the avengers would say if someone mentioned him. Well, didn't you bring him back? I'm like, I'm not died Who Yes, um He was he was a guy. He was he was like a bro. That's probably a good way to put it. Yeah He's a good bro. He was a real one, but I can't remember what exactly that means or but uh Heimdall being The sightseer to the point where no one can harm him because he's too fast and too quick-witted and then Simultaneously pointing this shit out about people all the time because he can read them And what a choice Well, it's just it's um He he isn't he is a jerk Um, but it's no surprise considering the nature of his abilities It was after I think this scene that I was just like I'm so ready to kill you It's just like being incredibly blunt about like his perspectives on everybody because nobody else is as far as he's concerned And he's well, he's exposed to them all the time Exactly. It's almost like he's no different than anyone else But not to them as in like he's he's constantly getting access to what everyone thinks honestly about him. So Fuck it. Um, yeah, it's just very interesting dynamics That fat drunken Trash Hey Again Yes, yes, the dumb does not fall far from the tree very well then That's such a late lady himself. The dumb does not fall He has a couple ladies Yeah, come across as funny, I guess because he's So confident little girl. Yeah starting with Who your family is And who it is not Really believed the all father would allow that to happen Please do not let this little whistle feed your delusions any longer So close Stop He just wants to make you mad. Yeah You coddlers are boring If you are finished throwing your little tantrum we should Because I cannot wait to watch you explain this mess to the all Oh Being able to see through people like windows would probably make you a jerk It's it's the thing that was it rags. Did you mention this? I know someone did last time but Atreus and heimdall almost being mirrors to each other when both of them have so much access to the feelings and Motives of a person atreus seems to go in the direction of assuming the best about them and trying to bring the best out of them Heimdall just assumes the worst. He's yeah cynical. Yeah. Yeah, really cool We have a lot to discuss. Okay. I'll meet you in your room when I'm finished here shouldn't be long You can't keep undermining you like that Training her behind my back She's gonna do what she wants when you rather I at least help Know where she's going keep her safe. No, I'd rather us be a team I'd like you to back me up for once You're ruining what little relationship I have left with her I'm doing the best I can to keep this family together If that were true, you'd stand up to your father for once in your life You're right honey. No Lot of people don't see this hear this one and this one informs a scene to come very very hard What kind of example am I setting Seems the only thing I can do right these days is destroy everything around me We just We need you here. I need you. I can't do this by myself May I come in? I heard what heimdall had to say I'd like to hear it from you. What happened? It wasn't there. I was wrong Well We all make mistakes But free and garb That was a big one chaos is already spilling out into the other realms We're safe here in asgard But everywhere else, I think I want to go home now. Okay If that's what you want I meant it when I said you're not a prisoner here Your choice go clear your mind. I know you'll be bad But before you go I'll need the mask back That's not that I don't trust you. You understand It's the company you keep It's so tempting to talk more about this knowing something else, but I can't Odin is special Oh To go Yeah, the theme in the background is the asgard one. It's uh Uh sort of mixed again for thaws bites thought the the and uh Some other bits as well Loki When you do decide you're ready to continue our work here, hoogan will be waiting for you in your old home You screwed up That didn't change the fact that you're welcome here Oh And say hi to memir for me Oh no It's you wait. It's you Is that line not great? Yes, it's you wait. It's you Because the problem of him arriving like this is just a little bit like what's what's you know, what is going on? I don't even know. What's what are you good? Are you because the last thing he did was fucking to hit him, right? Yep Let's Off your back Oh prayer that will show them to me Transition again. Yeah, that's awesome. And uh, it's good to trove for that third rage mode Which by the way, I think I ended up committing to for this playthrough because obviously it was in story mode So everything was pretty easy. I think I should have ended up trying to use that more in hard I was just so committed with the Normal rage that this but pretty neat in terms of just Adding onto a combo sort of thing Uh Sorry down to the editing I could see how you might make that mistake where the birds take atreus is back to the house And he goes from the house to the teleporty thing and then to here right he doesn't go straight from the birds It's not from the birds Is it over? No, thanks to you Where is atreus here coming out with a shield? Mm-hmm runaway returned and brought all this with him Has the runaway returned and brought all of this with him A little bit accusatory when you have no idea what's happening. Hey, fuck you tier, okay? Wow Hold still. I told you I'm fine You're bleeding put your blubber Once again, though Yeah, it's pretty respectful Of kratos to be like listen if you really want to go by Loki, I guess because yeah, he explained that um That's the name his mom wanted for him But the kratos went with atreus because of how much the name meant to him Mm-hmm But I mean if he wants to go by Loki, you know, it's just that um after everything this just happened as well him asking that Oh, like are you an enemy of uh a friend? That's the subtextual part of it. Yeah, like what are we doing here? What's going on that sort of thing There's like zero fat on that sentence I don't know kratos' dialogue is always pretty top notch. He doesn't speak a huge amount You happen there he kratos finished the hug Yeah atreus kept me still there. So he's like, oh, this isn't just a You know, hi, I'm back hug. This is a I've fucked up huge hug. Oh, yeah What has happened? It's all my fault. You may have done something apocalyptic The howl walkers released an interdimensional. They're everywhere one thing. We didn't eat before you walk That's not your fault. Yes, it is There was a wolf in hell Was in chains and And I said I'm free I I thought that if gone Great bleeding. Fuck lord. You see gone The fucking expression on him he's like jeez that like The beer will often let them just have their conversation that have his input afterward But this is so shocking to him. He's like, what the fuck It immediately underlines the severity of it. Yes, that our super smart character is terrified The stoic guy really was like Madness surely not you young one if the hound of hell is He'll chew through the fabric of the realms Hell walkers are just the beginning. What were you thinking? Hi? This is a fuck up of not insignificant proportions. What would drive you to such mischief is this loki's doing enough Leave him this has made a mistake Yay, come on. Yeah. Now if you don't mind, I'd rather stay here Is kratos realizing this this this is how you're supposed to do it. You're not supposed to just go fuck you You suck. What are you doing? He's like Let's step forward is solving it And they needed an excuse Because we need some father son stuff We gotta we're gonna remove mamiya for now, but I still appreciate the fact that he's like I fucking hate helheim Why would I want to go there? I've had enough helheim Praise expressions as well Fine What happened to your head? Are you kidding? You did this I did yes with your bear claws. I I didn't know Hey, don't you two start up again? Can't you see my head pounding? I see that hole stops something bad from happening plan work just like magic enough doing bother Tears gone right back to isolation Aren't you gonna have no reprimand me? No I am you are safe Okay Wow Maybe I should run away more often at reyes kidding. Sorry So where the new spear come from rock made it From drop near what's that? of ring What's its story? I do not know You were not there to ask Which probably would have happened and we probably would have had a more extensive description. Yeah drop me a bit. Oh, well Thanks atreus. Yeah, a little shit Rounded Atreus He was chained up for a really long time. We can't hurt him. Okay a desperate Wind powers cool Come on. You gotta get across before he opens up more rail tears Did I wouldn't ask you to free that creature? What no Why are you not working with him? It's not what you think whatever he promised. He cannot be trusted I don't but he has something I need it's Hard to explain If anyone isn't following what he's referring to is Access to hyper knowledge will be really useful in subverting The prophecy of kratos' death No, if he can fix up that mask and get access to it. Yeah, I mean, you know Be careful about that odin guy, but you'll be able to save kratos then That's also somebody who doesn't want to let him know about because it's kind of awkward Odin You say well not to mention it's ironwood too. It's hard to explain. Why I just need you to trust me I know I have no right to ask Can you anyway? What does he have that you need? Why can you not tell me? It's complicated What about you? Why do you have a new weapon? I thought you didn't want war. I do not But it's complicated Everyone keeps secrets Sometimes it's the only way to protect the ones we love And don't worry about odin I'm not going back there Good to hear Thanks for coming back You didn't have to I'm your father. I will always help as long as I am able Well, that's good to hear too. Tell me What were you doing in house guard? I was translating things for odin. There's this mask you found and a magical rift that's connected to it It's all sort of complicated. Yeah You cannot trust those loyals odin. It's not always bad to trust people. It compromises your judgment Maybe I'm tired of feeling alone So there's a lot of stuff One of the things Bailey being like, yeah, of course he's Treyas reaches the fuck out to loads of different people because he's very tired of being in the woods hunting for deer training And that's it every day. Remember they didn't even stay in contact with the broccos injury, did they? No, apparently not. I was pretty enough damn isolated The kid just wants to have friends Is part of some of the fundamental motivations and Curtis is just like, yeah, but they could all backstab you Like, yeah Yeah, maybe why don't you just have all right wolves boy the wolves were backstab you Except maybe this giant evil one This one is an exception Let's just figure out how this gate works Okay I do not want you to feel alone But your decision to go to asgard Help me understand Odin doesn't want ragnarok I know I can't trust him, but I needed his help I can't let ragnarok happen either I would have helped you I know Wait, he's right here If Odin truly wishes to avoid ragnarok, then we are in agreement. Yeah, then what's that spear for? To protect you My the spear I share it's your turn We are not the same. I am the parent. You're ducking the question close He's trying to play that trump card yet. I don't know. I don't have to it's like, oh, okay Promise me you won't kill him. Okay. I make no promises, but I will try not to kill the beast Okay, I'll distract arm. You freeze this chains with your axe. We can't run and latch them onto something too dangerous It's a good plan. Let's move What's interesting there too is He's never even seen a trace turn into a wolf. I don't think But uh, no, he mentions that later in the scene He seemed a bear though. He said well, so he knows that the trace has the capability of turn shape-shifting so to speak But uh, he certainly didn't know he had it under control Just that's gonna come up. Yeah, are you okay? Your transformation Did Odin teach you to control it? No, we will not rely on what he taught you next time. We do it my way Yes, sir, why didn't that work? You didn't mess up on purpose. Did you? There's not trust. Sorry. That wasn't fair. I just I thought it would work Patience You will find a way There's always a way do you see? Oh, why didn't I think about the solution is not always obvious I think I hear him on the head This is my way now It means what you think it means The problem doesn't have to reach our doorstep for it to be our responsibility If we have the power to limit the harm that could cause We should act can't we try and we have the power to limit the harmless creature can cause We will use it That first flashback coming back be Yeah, this is the thing they had limited time with those three and they spent it deliberately It was neat to get a spectacle boss get a bunch. Yeah, I like that series I was uh, I was quite impressed just with what was happening visually let alone like the mechanical aspect of it Oh Did it Killed big doggo And and it's confusing. It's as high you feel at this point because you're like so it was it was Slapped up and then you released it only to kill it. I don't know. Yeah. Yay We saved really some romantic climax. It's just like, oh He's dead now. Yeah, are we the baddies a little bit same kind of feeling when you fight sif and dark souls Like it's like, oh, it's sad. I beat I beat the big doggo, but did I want to then I want to XP yes It was worth it Wish they didn't have to end up got another one He's dead sometimes there is no other way I saw it the new ones I told me I'm going to did to kill you and asgard I know Norris, I thought you didn't believe in that Oh my god, the dead will keep flooding the realms the realms will collapse You must learn to calm your mind. Maybe I've learned I run better on chaos. What else did you learn? You work better when we trust each other. Let's find another way out. What did you do? At the house the spell you saw me doing fender died I didn't know it then But I accidentally put his soul into my knife Souls are powerful. So I thought maybe fenders could change its nature Oh, the achievements to watch so quickly. Um, yeah if you remember What the norn said it was basically Prophecy is only possible when you fully understand somebody and that somebody Stays on course of you know the current traits and aspirations and motivations they have you can then predict pretty much where they're gonna do What they'll do where they'll end up They kept saying I think in that scene it's your nature In nature, yeah So basically the only way to subvert and change prophecy is to change the nature of the person not like You miss the point if you're trying to subvert the event itself You need to change the people involved in the decisions they make Exactly because of the person changes they make different choices It's um Oh, it's so good like the That the aspect as well of you do Atreus's plan Without really going through it and sort of just just you know the What was the what was the plan even anyway attach it to one chain? It's like Yeah, I mean this isn't it's not exactly going to be not great Kratos is just standard. Let's just kill it It's getting in the fucking way. It's destroying things killing it. It's you know, not an unwise plan It's like fine. It's just like oh shit. It's an undead dog. So it doesn't even uh Okay, so what what else we got and this is like we we combine the efforts of these two Kratos trusts that Atreus's plan Has validity to it and we we get an actual result It feeds him with this and As as was has been mentioned by a couple people in chat The ties in with everything brock was telling Kratos before we got the spear Mm-hmm the nature of the says Yes says that it was brock made the spear um Well, he doesn't say that like the mermaid and the thing is that he was like, yeah, brock made it And there's a spear brock made it So well, what's interesting about it is that he picks up the wind on their way there and that's like a huge part of what the spear does You know, it's like it's yeah primary element and stuff and Well, what do you what do you think about that rags? I think that's unfair He should be mentioning mermaid lady or do you think it's I don't think it's unfair I think it's just he values brock's input to such a high degree when it comes to the the spear and his time with brock that he uh That's what I was gonna say is his brock made it Yeah, and yeah, someone just pointed out the holder brother's signature is on the um the spear when she completes it Almost like she applied it Or that it was a part of the spearhead when she they provided I don't know either way when I found you a mid guard Before prayer attack you said you needed to protect me Why? I saw prophecy You were In my arms Dead I saw it too And you're nine what? You knew That's why you've been training me so hard one day He will have to survive Without me not gonna happen I won't let it I won't all junies come to an end not ours Not like that And yeah, right after they cooperate Trust to get the solution as a big old problem. They finally tell each other that the information they have on each other Yeah, but they both had it at the same time. It's like you fools You're okay Sorry, I hurt you It's over now I promise oh my god, how did you get so small then? Why is everything so small how come everything got smaller? I missed you too Didn't know if that would work We did it Didn't know if the camera goes whoa Oh, shit It's giant magic. I've been learning things In asgard It might be worth uh, I'm not sure what's been mentioned yet, but in the opening Um, there's a little four little soul soul like parts And one of them kind of goes into the blade as the other three Yeah very much done on pippus to hopefully have most people not realize something happened there But when they look back, they'll see something did indeed happen Yeah, this is a really great scene incoming Yes A promise when that someone's trusting me to keep like you kept your promise to mom Talks like I'm here too Yeah See what I can do when you trust me A lot of this game is the phase of parenting where The the kids become old enough that you have to allow them to make their decisions and go through with their plans instead of cultivating and understanding them first The crossing that line is difficult for parents All parents Look at the dog our guy It is done We should inform the others decide our next move so when the nords told you hind I was gonna try and kill me That's what you're spears for It is Hind all the jerk, but That's not who you are anymore, right a godfiller You don't want war No, but I will do what it takes to keep you safe I have been Falling back into my old ways Disgustful without you I got reckless over confident Me stupid mistakes, I don't know why I thought I could do this alone You were right. No, it was the one who was not ready You don't I have to be who you were just because I'm not there Let's make a promise I'll listen for your voice in my head When you're not there to guide me And you do the same All right, I need to know you'll be okay without me Patreus, I am sorry Don't be sorry father Be better Let's go home That's one of the best scenes in the game. Yeah That's really fucking good. Good god. Where do you begin? Yeah There's a lot to go through What separates kratos now from kratos original trilogy it's The pieces that he's grabbed along the way and how they've Gone from seeds to like full-on blooming in his own mind about how he operates but a lot of them are based on and sort of thrive alongside fey and atreus There are two people in his life that have made him much more capable of Not just ripping into people's skulls as soon as bad things happen And second that atreus was gone The second he knew atreus as an asgard and then that heimdall wanted to kill him It there was only one mode of operation. I'm going to kill everything. That's what's happening now. I'm killing everything and it's just like Okay, and then angry with everyone he talks to and very ill on patients just like No, no, no, I don't I know what I'm doing. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this Unlike in a lot of situations where that may have been the case before atreus was there as a grounding element To sort of counteract those are those thoughts and actions But because he's not there that's what's enabling him to just continue to be like that And he had a moment of understanding it himself in like a meta view of What what has his journey been and is it as simple as if atreus is not around then he's just done He goes back to being the guy. He just doesn't want to be anymore and so Yeah, and then atreus says which is true that without kratos He's saying some he did some things that are kind of retarded and it resulted in really bad stuff because kratos will often be a voice of reason Instead of like emotion driven, which is kind of funny, right? Because that's again Without atreus. He becomes much less sort of reason focused and much more emotion focused um And so yeah They have this reconciliation and they've made this deal of it shouldn't be that the second one of them is out of frame that those Influences of that person are gone. It should be that they maintain And the impact of that individual should carry through in your actions and guide you because Yeah, just because they're not there doesn't mean that they're not there in a more abstract sense of people and the impact they have on others And it's just about being more cognizant of that in the future, right of Acknowledging the things that the other person would have to say that are that are meaningful and useful to you and keeping that in mind And what an interesting inversion on what was the more overt fear of loss in terms of kratos losing atreus to then have atreus say to him I need to know that you're going to be okay if i'm not here like isn't that an interesting flip of the more Conventional reading of this relationship Where a lot of it is sort of viewed through the lens of kratos not realizing that atreus has those same concerns to I mean, obviously that's been like avert in the story, right? He wants to prevent ragnarok and he wants to He wants to make sure that kratos survives that but it's just like giving more of a voice to that character's concerns In a way that's unexpected and then leading right into um kratos setting up story and then We get the callback line A wonderful probably my favorite specific callback in the game Well, so this was Simultaneous it was bittersweet for me because I was through the roof happy though I heard that but a lot of people don't know the reference and so they're like what that's shitty dialogue Oh, that's a shame incredible dialogue. It's just so funny because of the comparison, right? I think by the way I've I've got it in here. So we'll play it first okay That can't be unwritten remember We shouldn't let prophecy define our choices Then we will make our own destiny Yes You're back. Oh, did I not put it in you? I'm retarded. How did I not put that in there? I have a distinct memory putting that in there, but apparently I didn't Okay. Well, anyway, he failed us all I have failed The uh, it's right at the beginning of 2018 pretty much They they go hunting the first thing atreus does Is fire too early? I think it scares the prey And criticism's like, what are you doing? It's god is up Fucked all this up and then and trace just looks like oh shit And then yeah says i'm sorry and creator says don't be sorry be better and he says it in a very cold way Yeah, yeah, the coldest their relationship is is right at the beginning of 2018 Yeah, I think at first I always kind of read it as him treating him like a spartan like saying no like don't don't say sorry like hit the target next time And then with all the context of every all the scenes with fey in this game It's like oh they they really kind of pulled that together to be a be a message, you know It's incredibly important and it's safe to say that that was incredibly deliberate because it lays down the groundwork for like one of the most fundamental themes in this game, which is the nature of like change in atonement and um It's it's not about like being upset about it or sad about it or like apologizing for it It's about acting better in the future like becoming a better person and striving to not make those mistakes in the future It's not about yeah, it's not about apologies. It's about taking action to try and make things better um And I mean it's the really great thing where the tray is saying that to him as it's like It's so indicative of the fact that the lessons that kratos has tried to impart on him Like they've taken root. He has listened and he values what kratos has to say and his intentions and training like that's It's it's he's he's taken it on board Which is I mean, of course like kratos smiling for many reasons the fact that he smiles at all He's proud of him like that's that's all that that is it's pride He's done his job if that if that worked out there. That's at least yeah indicative And uh, yeah the fact that the trace does listen to him Yeah, I mean I don't even know what to add anymore. I think that's pretty much covers it well the performances the music Absolutely fantastic music just fits I I mean, yeah, it's great great We should trouble us no further. Well, that's our bloody relief So you put down old yarn did you? Yeah sort of a expression on the tray is Yeah, he's not a happy camper right now. Oh Yes your decision to go to asgard after all he's put us through I'll never understand it But I hope you at least came back with something we can use I hope so too. Come on. Let me show you what Odin's up to Here's what he cares about most More than rag norock or anything Is this mask? Anyone recognize it that thing? Oh, it's a dead end. He's been fapping around with that since before I knew him To be honest, I thought the giants were just having a laugh with that one No laugh with that one Okay, fine No You're wrong. Amir This mask is no fraud The giants didn't make it And only a few of them ever glinted in their visions They never knew its origin, but some believed it was a way to gaze into the secrets of creation itself Is it an oracle? Much much more Doesn't seem like he's just describing what he knows it to be it looks like he's invested It's a fondness for it Imagine becoming one with a source of infinite knowledge This this is why Odin tortured me So what do you think? Know it No It's one obsession he never saw fit to share with me But I'll tell you this Even when Odin speaks the truth his purpose is false Either way, it's a mistake to let it distract us Is heimdall our focus or not? Rewrite our fate Another way Then I'm going back to van heim If we're not taking the fight to Odin, I should help my brother stand against him and listen Everyone I'm really sorry about the way I left You know, I've never heard Any of you on purpose Well, when you can turn into a bear by accident, I suppose these things can happen So Do you forgive me? Of course atreus. We know you meant no harm lad Samdre I'm sure I will eventually Okay, some some bitterness there Uh feels deliberate Well, because it's not that easy with everybody Yeah, like some people will be like, yeah, no, it's cool But then some people will be like, I yeah, maybe you know, like Yeah, my face it that hurt. I well exactly. It's not surprise In the air I hope that I can be forgiven for not doing more when the hell walkers attacked Whatever reservations I have about violence I like the idea that as soon as tia started explaining himself atreus was like, I'm out by Shouldn't apply when your home is under attack and certainly not by undead abominations Yet I reached for a shield instead of a sword. You are right to chide me for that old friend The next time the moment calls me I'll be ready Well said tia. I believe you just might Care to join me kratos Have a seat think about your breathing Try and find stillness in your mind No, you are well Take more than a porch full of bone john stiffs to keep me down What am I gonna do walk around with the bandage on my head begging for attention? I was mauled by a bear Nourished more like it I appreciate the there is dialogue there for kratos to check in on brock and see how he's doing after he was uh They think they said he was bleeding after the attack yeah and um Yeah, I I appreciate the tia apologized and that it can be it looks like This is going to be something of a motivator for him to maybe take action in future because he regrets it The hound is no longer a threat. Indeed you have proven worthy of great responsibility master kratos Please forgive me if I've been abrupt for it all and purged it into plate The loss of madame nithog weighed heavily upon me even before the grave uncertainties of this garm episode I do sincerely apologize for my rude demeanor during this time I did not notice you are being polite, of course My demeanor was impudent borderline cruel Surely this was a source of some discomfort for you No And you would hide the scars. I swear master kratos. I will make it up to you someday So what happened the last time you were in venard? I still don't know how you got frayed to stop trying to kill you We traveled to her village to break out in spell once freed. She accepted that I was not her enemy You also missed a highly entertaining moment where brock was lifted ass over face in frayers camp. You met frayre What's he like different from his sister? Lacks her conviction true But he's a bit quicker to forgive and an ineffective leader, but his heart's in the right place You'll like him lad Really like that way of describing him is like kratos was unimpressed, but maybe is like chill chill chill. He's a cool guy Time to see how the vaniere have feared in our absence. I hope frayre is okay. She can care for herself We're still checking on her though. Her brother's forces are numbered And there is much I owe her Yeah, I imagine it'll literally be a life debt. He has for her at this point pretty much. Yeah Atreus A welcome reunion Unexpected but welcome You know us can't be Is that who I think Or your shifty bastard That's almost good to see you again and for once in the shape of a man or merely So that's how they got your head out of your ass Maybe now you'll stop being such a half blind ish drunk over sex liar It was more of a pig than I ever was I do not know you You're not recognized your handiwork Hilda's beanie Remember when we first met frayre in the woods. It's honestly kind of neat They remembered because in the first game they established that He the the bore was an advisor when he was in his normal form and that since she's gone right God It's like you don't have to remember the bore, but I mean what happened to the bore No, there he is. Yeah After I So sorry about that frayre's bore her advisor and friend counselor to the veneer and yes while Exiled at midgard. I was trapped in my bore form. It looked weirder than any bore. I've ever seen Get after it then We didn't know we belonged to anyone. He doesn't he's my friend The boy was following my command. There is a reason I've tossed this in here It's once again, just like the alfheim thing you got that right Raito's being a good parent here being like Don't don't take this out on the child. This is all stuff that I Encouraged him to do so, you know, it's on me whatever issue you have but now look at how it's recanted Then help fix this hold here, please and then you shot me at my command No My arrow. I'm a steak forgotten Vanaheim needs I mean it's subtle But like it's just race has gotten older now. So he's like no. No. Yeah, it was me It's happy to earn that decision. Yeah, it's tough. I helped more than ever even mimeers Where's freya? She came here to help her brother. She leads the search party for freya and big veer They've been captured by the aim her yard. All right that happened an ambush The presence has intensified since your last visit To make matters worse the celestial wolves haven't been seen in days Or at least I assume Not easy What happened between you two the usual miscommunication conflicting loyalties broken promises Nothing to concern yourself with I'm not concerned. Just curious Curiosity's all well and good But so was privacy, right? I threw this in because I thought it was so interesting It's like the only time really and it made me think about it that There's information to be had but a character was just like no, that's that's my thing. You don't know Like why should I tell you what went on between me and Hilda speedy like what does that got to do with you? And it's like, okay. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm a little curious Anaheim looks and feels so different from the other realms It's warm like spartal fun, but there's a kind of thickness in the air He grows gross What he grows Greek For humid he grows I like it Come here. I still feel like that's just adding on to the references of critis is more and more open about his greek history Um to the point where he probably could teach atreus the language at this point, right? Yeah, probably though. Maybe that's pointless. I don't know. It depends what what's going on over there Yeah, that's true using a dead language by I don't know I'm probably still be just nice Father's unmoment for them. Just yeah, teaching the language Why not? I mean atreus knows shit turns anyway It's not a dead language though. It's just no one speaks it in this realm, right or in this well So that's what I was saying. I'm not sure if it's a dead line. It depends on what how everything is over in Greece, I guess I said it was foretold lad prophecy Which after our time with the norm's we've all had quite enough of but Odin still believes That's got to be why the anoyar stole the moon. He's still trying to avoid ragnarok. I think they're sleeping Well, there you have it the legendary celestial wolves supremely entertaining as promised Remember their shrine They didn't rejoin the sky until after the moon returned and then chased an arrow across the sky Right. Well, best we go find the moon and put it back where it belongs. Eh As if that's a perfectly normal thing to say I'm not even going to begin to understand how they stole the moon. I don't I ain't got anything for that I don't quite understand how memir would contextualize the word normal Steal the moon. It's a dr. Evil I guess sort of thing I'm going they need to make a movie where someone steals the moon not blows it up or makes a base on it Just steals the moon. I never explained in my basement. Yeah The wolves are back in vanaheim We're rescuing the moon. Yes Rescuing the moon, obviously So Doesn't it make you worried Everything we're doing. Oh people are saying despicable me. Is that what the plot is this they steal the moon? Yeah, great. Oh, was it? Oh, okay. I couldn't remember. I never seen a despicable me movie I've seen it, but uh, because I remember the back the villains look as well, but I really didn't remember that being the plot Well, good for them Remember our agreement Prophecy will not dictate our actions. Yeah, our allies need help That is our focus now. It's from helon I'm dumbest to grab this while I freed garb I was there, but I I didn't know and now you fight to undo the damage Your guilt is misplaced Yeah No, you're right. Father How are you so sure we even have a choice about what we're doing? That is a weakness we cannot afford Who said anything about doubt So far we've done everything the giant said we were We make our own choices Nothing forces us. The lad does make some good points though as long as atreus lives So be it He's been repeating that a lot and you might just argue it's a part of his nature. He is not going to change and why would he? Like if that determines a couple of these choices then so be it There's there's no reason to change that More good boys Doesn't surprise me at all they put this in the trailer Yeah Just like inside the shrine If she uses it as one of my thumbnails This looks so great If I do this I'll be buying to you if you let it That I'm about to shoot the movement arrow just to work clear Not because it is written I really like that line Necessary not written It's a great imagery Yeah, it's awesome Good choice lot And it's it's cool for the norse people because They were wondering how they were going to contextualize this and how it would look visually and I think they're satisfied I wouldn't know because I don't know anyone who's a norse expert though. I find there are plenty available wherever you look on this game So we report back to hilda's peony then what we came here to help freya We will not leave without rescuing her brother and the light health Okay, but odin's not going to stop searching for mask pieces. That is his concern not ours Sure, but if that mask offers all the answers then it will surely exact a price Be wary of shortcuts to knowledge Yes, father Credo satraeus knowledge that eclipse was your doing I take it Thank you for coming big veer used the diversion to escape. What about your brother? We know where they're holding him now Baila's already prepped the explosives If you're with me, we can leave as soon as you're ready I could use another shapeshifter's help Go with him atreus. I will aid freya. Yes, sir What did you find? A seed of idrassil to muspline Where do you reckon it leads the gauntlet perhaps the what call that trials we Are attempted then several years ago with atreus Yes, then we should find the other half of the seed was that like hoey Was that because he felt bad about the fact when he was saying it out loud like it probably shouldn't have taken atreus to them Yeah, I think that's what they were trying to do like we uh, I attempted them But freya's like you do atreus didn't you it's like yeah Sorry Yes, just doesn't seem like a responsible thing to do but uh, no not really Well, as he said at the time training Waiting what is your plan when we reach the temple? I'll fire off the beacon a signal for veila and birger to set off their distraction bigger the dark l5 Nice to not be on the receiving end of it for once With their attention drawn elsewhere, you and I can assault the main force from behind While atreus and hildas fiend slip in to rescue your brother in the confusion Yes, once we see their beacon we'll regroup by the river and escape on freya's boat We're making good time Yes, you put it in I Wanted to see the wolves again. I suppose they are grateful for the attention Now call that party and let's go So ladyflair You know The norn said you'd kill heimdall But you chose not to walk that path Back when we first met I doubt you'd have done the same and you Do you still seek ragnarok? Odin has much to answer for If groha's prophecy is correct, perhaps my realm can finally no peace Perhaps I can no peace Forgive me for being ahead on a belt, but haven't we all just established how prophecy is pure havers God's the mirror what? The most annoying man alive That wats out. It's so genuine like yeah, there's a lot What? Well, neethogue. It was in our way. I don't doubt it How are you still? What was she doing here odin used roots of the world tree as part of his spell that kept me from leaving midgard Neethogue protects the trees roots wherever they are. Ah, I see Odin used her and she unwittingly paid the price classic odin It was brought up at one point and I feel like it's probably worth talking about uh the Uh someone I can't remember if it was a couple people, but they felt it was a problem that freya killed neethogue Um, what what does everyone think before I go further than that? Oh, is it I think it depends on what they say. It's a problem. What do they mean when they say it's a problem? Yeah, like in reference to the war Um, you know in reference to like it was it was a bad thing to do morally and that it seems out of character Um, I don't think she would let what is essentially a beast as important as it may be But a beast be something that she stops at in order to Get the abilities back that she needs in order to fight odin I'm sure she didn't do it with a smile on her face. Yeah Um, I think it's pretty clear that they did it because they basically had to to get get the thing the power is back Upon having essentially checked it out a couple of times at this point. Yeah Uh Seems to me in the fight This thing is using uh tears so accurately it can like almost pince you while Not necessarily in the realm that you're in Um, or at least it can fuck with you quite a bit Uh, it was heading back Primarily because it was you know losing the battle at the time But that does not mean it will not attack you ever again Especially when freya says it will protect the roots with its life I think what you're supposed to assume at that point then is that It is fighting until it's losing a lot of health and so it's like i'm gonna fuck off now But the second you start hitting those roots again, it's just gonna come back Yeah, exactly and so at that point she would have to get rid of it But I think there's actually a even a bonus reason like If odin has set this up here, there's no telling where else he could have set it up to and like this thing It's not only fucking up freya, but it's just it's being used as a tool of odin's at this point So You I think you got a couple of reasons there that you can use for why she would go through with it Mm-hmm. Oh and I guess for the sake of Covering it for those who are upset that she got the kill Oh fuck off. They got the kill Okay, they got the kill exactly team effort She couldn't have gotten the kill if kratos wouldn't have held it back I don't know why that's hard for people That is the way you want it to it like narratively you want them to get it together not one or the other and yeah It was both she couldn't have cut its head off without kratos keeping it in place So All right chill Make trace will have more than enough time to get in and out undetected more than enough time to get in and out undetected I am not worried for trace. He is ready to fight on his own Oh, yeah, it's probably worth saying. I don't care. She killed it on her own either Oh, yeah I'm sorry. I gave up the impression that I wanted it to be that way Also, I was like no, I don't care. It's fray. That was like frayers whole thing And it was indicted It was like a representation of how odin had brought his roots inside her The or gondolish like this is the beast protecting the curse that's on her that prevents her from going to other realms Like of course it it shouldn't i'm more than happy for it had gotten the killing blow without kratos holding uh nithog in position Oh, absolutely But I think it's cool that he helped us I was gonna say though also every single dragon class enemy here So both dragons and then the um the drecky like the alligator They're they're they all have the same qte and they're kill And it ends with you hitting square to have atreus shoot the dragon in the neck so Like is it a problem that atreus gets all the dragon kills like a I don't know dude I don't know I kind of think of the the companion character as an extension of the player as well like You're also controlling Freya and or atreus with either qte's or with the square button essentially right Yeah, yeah Completely getting away in your position. Oh should here we go What idiots idiots No, I mean it would be redundant to say this is a good part If it isn't queen mistletoe myself Queen mistletoe, I mean it's piece of shit It's not just the fact because like you can be like well that was a lame way of Executing that insult it's like doesn't matter. He's looking at it. He knows exactly what's on in mind for the most part What are the deepest insecurities are more than likely and of course that's on in mind all the fucking time So just saying it it's just yeah, that's time doll In a while I'm done And you must be the little half-breed's father Lucky day You have a lot to answer for sunshine You too trader better a traitor than ordens lapdog I love that delivery lapdog He say he comes across as not even Not even giving much of a shit like like it's just like we're gonna get you Yeah I can help But you'll need it elsewhere He's right, you know Sizzles wasn't looking so hot last I saw Sizzles I know you didn't want this But we know how this ends See you soon Well, we both know that that Is freya saying to kratos You can take him. I know you can and I'm looking forward to seeing you again like you're gonna be okay Yep, she's reassuring him With the prophecy that they are all very invested in trying to prove they're not bound by Mm-hmm I find that so interesting alongside Of course the fact that freya's come this far to the point where she's like you're gonna be okay, buddy You got this you're gonna beat him Yep That's not true, but don't worry frig. I'll be coming for you and your brother as soon as I am finished here No, what you got? Not going to lie. I'm disappointed Okay Dory mode everyone Yeah, I was gonna say you were wrecking him Wait, I was just looking away Was that in real time? Oh, yes, that was real time Melting, I was like oh boy, oh man, this took me a lot longer What'd you break me? Having fun yet? Oh, well you and me then Love that just fucking kicks it like kicks it. Yeah, he's he's spent like the few moments We've had with him and gull topper. He's been like really friendly with it been like who's my little brother It's like I love you second it dies. Oh, well Piece of shit This is immensely satisfying What no brother It's a really fun boss fight not just for the mechanics being different than usual but also the First time you crack through you dodges it all second time. He has to use his uh, Well a block basically Yeah a little bit more difficult Oh Wait, you expected the stick to give you an advantage Kind of doing that The scion of the asia brought down by an old geezers And that last one he blocked and then he took the hit because kratos was fast enough. It's like, ah, that's cool. Nice development You actually hit me and a lot of people say this I assume it's true. It's the ring that did that on his face as opposed to necessarily the fist Uh creating the creating the cut. Yeah, like a slice Which is really cool if true Well, no, I I was just gonna go as far as saying uh drop near is the key to defeating heimdall But it's also what just got that first hit as well Sure, like like if you punched him in the face still would hurt. It's just that he got the the ring finger Going on in that empty Out of pity I love this so much. So you got um because he he couldn't tell exactly what he's thinking right now and it's probably nothing to It was a complimentary Is heimdall's overconfident and then he gets this happen where the spear goes through his arm And what does he do and this by the way? It wasn't something I noticed as much until I was watching fringy's play through because you pointed it out straight away He's like no no no stop stop stop stop. It's like, ah The chad demeanor is gone Chad no more he's coping and seething now He is not used to being vulnerable. Yeah, and so that you know, he expresses straight away. Please stop Please don't don't hurt me anymore and that could have been it But he reads as as kratos is walking off They connect their eyes and he's reading something and he's not fucking liking it. What is it? That is the kratos pitties him like genuinely pitties him Which is beyond infuriating this award with an ego the size of heimdall's it's like you seriously think that of me Fuck off Which is so funny because it pulls him right out of his like survival instincts Yeah, so just pride. He needs to protect his ego Brilliant and there's something else. It's really great for this character Something else heimdall reads and then he has an opinion on it That choice This is your final warning I don't think a warning is going to cut it You think you get to just walk away? No That is not how this works Get to decide my fate That line is so important behind us It's so good And it's so great because Aside my fate and the choice he commits to he decides his own fate essentially yes Like he does he makes a choice here It just matches this man so much Yeah, he sees he knows what everybody's thinking he can see what everybody's intentions are This guy does not want to be in a position where he's at the mercy of anybody. He cannot accept it He can't take it. He just cannot do it and it's gonna be as undoing You are dead sunshine Do you want to be I don't know if we are breaking fate or fate's breaking us Or a great little line as well This thing it was it was only a subsequent sort of understanding of the game heimdall Like I I think I even said on the stream like nothing wrong with a one-dimensional character. He's he's more complicated than one dimensional He's got a lot more going on. Yeah. Yeah, he got some stuff He's getting the literal fucking life choked out of him, but he's reading in kratos' head I do not want to be a monster. I do not want to be a monster like that's the one thing That's getting to me. It's the one thing in the back of my mind. I I can't fucking deal with it And then he's just like well with my last breath. I'm gonna do everything I can to prey on your insecurities Yep Because I can read it as clear as day. Yeah, it's it's brilliant and the eyes fading away Do you see the hand slowly fades away as he's losing his breath as well? That's a that's a bifrost hand, right? Yeah, I assume it's bifrost. Yeah um Yeah, what a What a moment and yeah mamiya trying to pull him back a bit And like what are you supposed to make of it at that point? It's like well What made you kill him there? It's like it was your rage Something that trying to get a handle on Hey a little help at least the rescue is going well Oh We uh, you got company back here. Oh, that's running It's a it's a feels really dynamic Yeah, it's pretty fun as well Oh I got the impression myself from uh, especially when you're watching it that this was like kratos understands that a portion of the job on the other end is done while he was dealing with heimdall And he was just kind of like when it's like, oh, you know, we need to defend you for longer Maybe we can help you out slowly. He was just like fuck. We're getting him out. Okay. We're doing this Fuck this and like yelling while doing it like Uh, I think what all he's thinking about right now is having killed heimdall And uh, he's just trying to do other things um Doing them well too, but yeah, just Go along his mind right now Yeah There will regroup we should go Yeah She's not seeing your faces It's flying We're flying Now like weren't they on a flying boat in helheim in the previous game? Like why is the treas impressed by this? I don't know not every boat like most boats don't fly I feel like a second time. I'd be pretty impressed. I love the idea that like rags has been a one flying boat So he's like, I don't fuck care anymore I I mean like this is also a boat that like not for nothing. It was a piece of paper a couple minutes ago I mean, I think okay, it flies sure just like the one in helheim I get it I like the idea you're with them like isn't the fact that it's paper more interesting than the flying Come on. Okay. I mean, I think that like once if you didn't ask a question about the paper Why are you impressed by the flying? I think the flying is neat as well as the paperiness And you know what kratos always appreciates playing every fucking god he fights can fly but he can't okay He ripped off a man's wings A thousand or so years ago to try and fly but then he lost those two They're kind of shitty wings. Hey You're really weird the Icarus wings because they regenerate right like he would do remember that game when you fly too long They fall apart like kind of in reference to what they are, but at the same time they come back instantly So it's like Intimately repeating Icarus wings Yeah, it's almost it's like the bargain bin Wings like they will keep they will fall apart instantly. Oh, but they regenerate. You're like, yeah So you can fly for up for like three seconds Wait, why aren't they playing? Oh, no We have guests I knew this was going to be smoothly Little help Well, so that was a pretty neat move it was pretty epic um The I can use a little more development from beer gear before that Well, that's that's the common thing people say about this. It's like was I supposed to care? It's like, well I mean it occupies a very small amount of time and you can find out more about him both before and after this if you want to uh Information is available. But I don't know like The thing of like, why would I care about this guy? I should be like, I don't know that you have to care that much It occupies a very small amount of time like it's it's it's uh They were in trouble and he helped him out The issue in presentation is the preamble the sacrifice had like he he was speaking for quite some time Now granted, I'm not an expert in the mythology. So I don't know if this guy was like Famous for having a poem that he says before he dies but You know If it's just as simple as like showing the the nature of like the casualties of war, right? It's just like that guy and he did this heroic thing And now this is just a quiet moment of contemplation about that about the cost of uh, this battle Yeah, I don't sort of like I do like a prelude to what's to come, right? I do wonder about that sort of thing Like isn't there value in sometimes actually not being as familiar when there's a sacrifice of some kind just because But like, you know Kratos has no idea who the guy is but you can see that he appreciates it as well like It enabled them to complete the mission right where maybe something else would have happened but um That's what I'm that's what I'm trying to think like would I have preferred it if maybe he got a few extra bits of lines Another cussing people want me to address. Yeah, he's not dead Um, yeah, he's not doesn't really change. Oh really? No, you can go find him. He's alive Um, man, he's like the the reverse mcu Heimdall Um He's like that dude that dies in Kenobi. Okay, so that's actually an interesting way to compare, right? What was his name Todd or something? Luke no, not Luke wait wait. That's it Um Yeah Why is it that the the wade thing is so funny? It's like maybe that's because it's couched inside this horrendously stupid tv show Yeah, like We have no reason to be charitable to obi one at that point Um, but at least the death of this guy means something to all of these people that we are very familiar with while it was a lady in in obi one that was sad about that and I don't think we'd seen her before either, right? Or at least we'd only seen them both one scene prior where they'd had like a line each or something How could you forget wade? I'm sorry I'm so sorry We we learned so much about wade We might have more lines for the for a beer gear in the boat Than wade ever got I know that it might actually be comparable in the camp you can Talk the beer gear and uh, you can find out his basic story before this happens He was he was a traveler He went off the path and he Freya has the one that found him and had him joining this group So, you know, it's it's something in the uh section it opens up after all of this I think that's when the the big part of vanaheim opens, right? Yeah That's uh You can there's like a bunch of travelers around that you can kill and you get like little tidbits Of notes that he's been writing them. It's like hey odin is fucking with us like don't he's trying to save him thing Yeah, there's there's only a path and no destination. It's just going to be killing forever until odin doesn't need us anymore So, yeah, um, I think what throws people off is the fact that he got The big focus before the sacrifice as opposed to maybe we just Added from creditors pov for like the whole thing and then guy jumps off and saves them Maybe that would make more sense with the whole like, you know war it has them casualties I think a lot of people are like wait, was I supposed to know who that guy was? And uh, I don't necessarily blame him for that Yeah, because I like the prayer he says has like it implies narrative weight and it's like well, hold on Did I did I miss the side quest line where this guy does something really really important? But uh, yeah It was still a pretty cool moment though You really think that's the end of burger You think he survived that? He's down there picking the dirt out of his nails with the beast's feathers You'll see He has to be we're almost there, ingvi Just hold on a bit longer. I don't suppose I have much more choice at the moment Freyjaer exists in the game as a plot device for freyjaer to have a second character arc That is dangerously close to fridging talk my dude He's a character Subtitles on and it was sometimes really hard to tell which one they were talking about at any given time It will be tough with me as well because I I try to make a difference in how I'm saying it but uh freyjaer Has plenty going on that you can find in the game as well as obviously the over cut scenes and what he means as a person What is history is like The idea that he only exists to make something happen for another character I'd be like you can eventually broadly reduce everything that way A trails only exists to have kratos go on certain journeys and have certain payoffs Oh Like how reductr do you want to be? Yeah, like I I like freyjaer. I think we've seen enough of him at this point to say that he's um He's uh, he comes across a little more to me with the the modern Sort of talking than a lot of other characters though. I will still say that I feel like it's it's a part of everybody at this point um It was across a really chill dude This guy was just trying to and and from what we know right the he's not a particularly responsible leader He's not even a Fantastic leader. I can't remember if I think this scene's coming up actually where you get a little bit more insight to what He's up to but yeah, we'll um We'll talk a bit about it when when we go further Freyja lacks agency. That's um, I think that is actually true That's part of his characterization. He's not as much of a um He's not as much as a leader You need you to find me a red flower with blue thorns There's a blue flower with red thorns Uh, I can't remember it's been so long Well, whichever one of us is right is the true shrek fan that decide It was blue flower red thorns It definitely was a man. I thought you were talking about the one I said I can't remember. He's in prey. I was like The hyperthermia flower flower with red thorns Yeah, who was correct? I can't remember which one of us said which one I can't even remember. Yeah, I can't remember which one I even said Uh, well, I definitely said the correct one Let's use the time machine that is scrolling back by like 30 seconds I've seen a molar is correct rags is always right. So I don't know Maybe we were both right. He's always right. Maybe it was two flowers. Who knows. Hmm color is subjective All the wins. All right. No rags. You were wrong. You said red flower with blue thorns I said red flower with blue thorns, but it's blue flower with red thorns. That's right. Yeah, so you got it wrong Also direct pressure is going to staunch a bleed a lot faster than any flower will it's magic you fuck The flower wasn't supposed to help with the wound. It was supposed to get donkey away. Yeah, didn't you even see the movie? Oh, god, it's been a long time since I've seen Shrek. I was talking about it. Yeah, me too. So, buddy Madness It's talking about lundas flowers you Freya I'm giving her a hand. We're just taking over entirely. Hold still She'll just get you stable so I can take you to cindery's house. The rest of my herbs are there We'll protect the realm in your absence The four of us Vadaheim's in good hands Buddy it's injury's house, huh? Whoever that is Your boat Nope Your boat Take it sail the skies sun yourself on its bow. You look like you could use it Make a veneer god proud Gave you his boat Nice me no choice Because it was necessary not because it was written Really like atreus reinforcing that right after he shows them. It's good stuff He's supporting him as well because yeah, he atreus will know better than most people that that's not making craters comfortable That he's killed heimdall. That's like We're getting real close to fulfilling all of the fucking prophecies. It's like, uh, yeah You still did that because you made that decision. It was an important one to make It's got nothing to do with you lacking any control over yourself Very true I read something in odin's library about what gallerhorn is supposed to do If blown by a guy it sounds through all the realms and harmonizes the space between them Low it's somewhat like tears temple And it would be like opening up all the realm travel towers at once It's quite a vulnerability Wonder why he didn't just destroy it. Some artifacts defy destruction Well, we should make freya aware of this Oh You're bad The heroes of the hour I want to hear everything I mean When you're ready. I'm not giving orders here. Am I try to rest in v. Let the herbs work Oh, they work. Oh, they they were very well Because you make things better. It's bull. You always have since Since we were kids I find a new way to get into trouble And you find a way to make it better Well, that's certainly true Do you know Do you know we used to lead vanohyme? Together when we were young Not much older than you to be honest Well, you know she did the leading I just Tried to keep things fun Leadership I really my strong suit. Let's be honest Really Your group back in vanohyme seems pretty devoted. Well I can inspire people I guess And you get to see the best themselves, you know I don't know if that's leadership It's more like um Like amuse wait Like like a what amuse Father told me like the little rodents. Okay, I was they inspired all kinds of artists. That's a job Well, why don't we have that? Well, you have that I could totally do that I think they were all goddesses though. Well, come on. That's not fair. That's not fair I I would be a natural Oh, what were we talking about? I don't know Ingvi you must rest You understand you must Please just stop talking. Okay. I'm sorry With someone who is going to fill us in on what happened with heimdall, right? Is that what's happening? patience Heimdall is dead It kind of makes me wish I did more of the interstitials at Centuries house, and I didn't like that's the first time I had seen that dialogue Yeah, there's there's so much you can miss in this game that uh, oh, yeah They just don't mind if you miss it or not they Dude the side mission content like we said is dang Oh, yeah, the whole crater area is huge But um, I just the scene we just saw like what does it do? It's like well, it's Show you the Freya and Freya care about each other immensely that they go back a hell of a long way that they were a team with Managing vanaheim, right like as much as you might be mistaken in thinking. Oh, well Freya did everything because she's the leader it's like they keep making reference to how it was Freya you're that um Kind of like gives everyone the part that seemingly can be missing from Freya, which is like the the fun or the Uh engagement of like binding people beyond just leadership. It seems like they're two halves of a whole to some degree for a uh leadership in totality and I just uh If you find his journal, I haven't got it in this you can read that he's uh, he's super insecure about the fact that He just doesn't believe he should be in any kind of power um The guy he just he just She says it. I think one of the first things when we meet here that um, he tends to try and move Responsibilities off to other people Um, yeah, I don't know. It's just good to keep in mind for things that are gonna happen Look, I don't If he was gonna hurt your boy If he was gonna hurt your boy, it's a good thing. He ain't around no more The norms didn't quite see it that way the opinion of them three shut-in spinsters ain't worth a dope partner hurricane You did what you did. No need to fret about it That to me is evidence once again. Brock is like Kratos probably isn't feeling too happy about what's happened Because he's pretty familiar with everything that's going on. So it's his way of being like You're fine the right thing. Yeah, you're fine. Don't worry about it. It's a good thing. He's not around, you know And then being told there's an opinion differs with other people. He just shits on them immediately I don't even fuck what they think What now the riddle What gets bigger the more you take away love what kind of chubb-buffling relationship you've been in Agreed I won't be lectured on the nature of a romance by the two of you duffers Duffers I think that was great the he's like proud of himself for getting an answer the both of them like the fuck I like the fuck That's your perspective even Brock and Kratos are both like damn, dude Hey, you think sin enough look at that You really did it How in all the nine realms Did you manage to kill hind all I knew our spear would do the trick Well, happy ragnarok everybody Let's drink. Let's drink. Let's drink. Is it true? I'm doll's dead I can't believe it. There's no stopping it now Odin swore peace only so long as you spilled no more ace your blood I refuse that deal Yet he honored it But now I mean that's worth pausing on that's a really strange line That was a really strange line now You're trying to think of like Is he bringing this up because he's still mad about the whole Starting wars doing violence and stuff, but that seems a little bit tertiary to that Like who cares if I thought we were all on the same team that Odin's a piece of shit that lies and does everything in Canada It's like why are you saying? Oh, yeah, but he honored the deal What's the I what's the angle there bud? Yeah Dengas know better than anyone that Odin's promises never last We have the advantage now It's time to bring him down. No None of you understand what's coming Odin's vengeance will be his only concern Not his only concern The mask Whatever knowledge it unlocks. That's what Odin wants more than anything If I go back to Asgard, I can go Look if I can finish what I started there Awaken the mask get answers Maybe that's our way out of this But I gotta go soon Before they figure out what's happened Julius You uh do not ask me to put you at risk again He's at risk where he stands Kratos We all are Anything we do or don't do is dangerous right now But Odin needs me He trusts me I'll be safe there From a tactical perspective Am I wrong? I don't much like it But it is our best play Dividing Odin's focus would buy us time And give us a pair of eyes in the enemy's inner sector But if there is truly a source of infinite knowledge You can't let Odin have it I am once he has what he needs from you And I lose my leverage I get it I'll be smart Father I can do this You too I do too, Sim I still want to hear how you did it You mean how we did it Ah you have it And then I have to tell Oh no, I'm so sorry that's why I'm on a response to the axe Yeah, eight people whose bowls have dropped Sorry It's such a sick bird When I did that I was on my street It was locking my ass off I had no idea It's so great He says it and uses it immediately The one angle for like Some people say like why wouldn't he have given them these things before So like I think this I don't know that it's as applicable in terms of like When you're just doing average realm travel like I don't know that it's Necessary but like right now he's he's actively because remember the first time I went to Asgard was a surprise to everybody But this time he's going there deliberately And it might have been something that he crafted semi recently. I think But I don't know that you'd necessarily need something like that all the time Just for specifically going to Asgard. I think it's the idea Because it's yeah, because they basically said hey as soon as he has what as soon as Odin gets the mask fully You use the leverage and there's a big chance. He's just gonna murder you right away After he has what he needs But I wouldn't want to undermine the idea that it probably would be neat to always have one of them Maybe You know because there could be times where you accidentally bump into some horrifying monster somewhere or you'd Whatever at some point I don't know like the fact he's prompted by him going to Asgard is why he's giving it to him now Which makes sense to me at least on that end Yeah Mimir Anything else I should know about Odin. Maybe uh weakness or something Like if I flip up his eye patch, he'll disintegrate My lord wouldn't that be? Yeah, no Sorry, Mimir. I can't do your accent. I'm on my own for this one It sounded just like It would if that actor was trying to do that impersonation though. It's just as bad as I was expecting I was like, yeah, sounds about right. Yeah Becky Svarnar Good girls Is venry around too? I haven't seen him. I wanted to let you both know that I might not be around for a while I know you're gonna be fine, but Don't worry if I'm not back It's okay. No really It's okay It'll be okay. I love you too So um interesting line is easy to miss it's basically him Telling the wolves that he believes he's likely to die doing what he's doing. Exactly saying goodbye to the to the doggies Yeah, you could tell by the way it's the the line is delivered Feels like uh, yeah, um, that might be a one-way trip right here And I'm couldn't I think quick to do so I'd likely argue 98 of people would miss that line because this is no reason to go down my first playthrough I only saw that on my second playthrough. I only remembered to go and grab it because you told me about it Oh, yeah, I should probably go over there. There you go Ben stop doing that Oh, were you having a moment? It sort of looked like you were having a moment. I can go. No, sorry This is venry It's okay, Ben. She's uh So I was right about your knife Huh I'm glad you found a place for a soul Better than some random snake Yes, uh, well, would you rather be a giant wolf or giant snake? I guess giant wolf, right? Wolf for sure. I don't know. Giant snake's cool. Well, I'm disappointed in you. I'm disappointed in you Why would you think I wouldn't choose the long option? True Both pretty long Loki This is my marble And where are you heading up? I'd lost my marble I dropped my balls. No, I'm actually using him. She just handed his balls back to him. It's so woke Well, then she wouldn't be having the back, right? Well, yeah, once I see this I'm bad at detecting these things. I have the balls everything How to save my father How to stop ragnarok and maybe hopefully How to bring our people back Loki, those are all very noble intentions But he's Odin You have faith in me Right? Of course I do I just hope the story you're writing for yourself is the one that you truly want Would you Would you take care of fan while I'm away? I'll take good care of them Well night boy, be careful If you had nothing to do with it, then why isn't you here? Just because someone isn't here to defend themselves doesn't mean they're guilty. I mean we kind of messed up logic. Yeah, mom Suddenly this boy who you won't stop hanging around is nowhere to be seen He's literally so much more at ease What I'm saying Is that maybe you wouldn't feel so weird about it if you said more than a cold hello to him For said he's investigating so the truth will come out soon enough I hope it does You'd better go You better go Oh, I just left that because he moved me harness it. Oh, okay. I'm dolls dead Happen to know something about that anything Well, I mean Everyone hated them Sure, sure But have you seen anything something noteworthy? I just really like that like everyone just fucking hates that guy. He's like, yeah That's true. Yeah, but anyway, that's really what I was talking about I mean You know, he did sock through it pretty hard while we were out Maybe someone found out Not even I I don't know Are you suggesting my son had something to do with this? I don't know honest Well, I have to ask It's reassuring because their mind reader is dead. See you can't tell I'm lying anymore Never believed you had anything to do with this I'm glad you're back. So I figured out what went wrong. I mistranslated the word here. Did you know? I thought it said beyond the cry of cold breath that delivery Really comes across as like Oh You misread it Cool Okay But it actually reads the cry of first breath Well, that's somewhere else entirely. I know where that is Young man, you've done it again. Go take the mask. Take the sword. Take the bird Find Thor You're going to Nifflheim 62 Uh, hi Sif Do you know where I can find Thor? All father is sending us on another mission Why would I tell you where to find anyone I cared about? Look, yeah, it's fine if you don't like me or trust me or whatever But I want you to know that you're hurting her. Excuse me There's gonna be a valkyrie one way or another You know that If you don't stand with her you're gonna lose her you may be working with all father and enjoying his little bubble of protection But stay out of my family's business Enjoy your freedom while you still have it through Sorry, um, it's a pretty bullsy move for atreus, you know Good on you, I guess that you got the response. I would expect like you serious It's like I won't tell you where my husband is. Yeah. Well, you're a bad mother Okay, now your stock is uh, it's falling apart there atreus just saying I'll head to niefelheim with your dad I haven't seen him around and I was wondering if you had any idea where he could be He wasn't with grandfather. No I think I know where he might be follow me I uh Also wanted to talk to you about hindall don't Not here You're right later back in helheim I told you I'd help your mom understand how much becoming a valkyrie meant to you I wanted to uh Let you know that I meant it you did it And you're still alive. I did think she was gonna choke me with her hair. I'm honestly surprised you didn't Thanks, lucky Weapons aren't allowed inside. We'll have to check them. Why? Just do it Come on this way Come on, they're not gonna let you in otherwise Through I'm It's fine Hey Thor Seems like it I kind of like you can see me all news of the air. It's like, yeah, I don't think you're gonna be able to get him to draw Yeah, that's not happening. He's probably the one guy who's allowed to take his weapon in my bad time. So If you need a moment, I totally understand No rush, but Right where I thought you'd be You shouldn't be here. You shouldn't have brought her here. What are you doing relaxing? Did I say no rush? I meant we should Get going right We don't want to keep the all father quiet He's right. You should get going Don't do this It's already done Let it be known the god of thunder is good for two things killing giants and pissing me Any man who disagrees Will greet me all near With its face I feel like a lot has happened. So we probably talk a little bit about it. Um There's several references throughout the game already that he wasn't drinking clearly. He is drinking and a lot, uh After a lot of the things we've seen He's not dealing well with all the pressures of his life right now. And it's obviously to the massive disappointment of his daughter and likely of his wife as well because she was hoping he would Finally make a difference and as you said stand up to your father Like he's not quite able to do it. Neither was he in the scene. We saw him with Odin Um and someone else is happening. I'm assuming everyone else has noticed as well It's just that whenever she manages to get some level of eye contact He avoids quite a lot. He does not want to look at it Also get a lot get get basically the the Reaction of him when he's drunk It's like and everybody who doesn't agree with me is gonna We'll basically get killed Which we have heard about for different stories throughout this and the game before this Almost kind of a rampaging lunatic Almost every story Mamiya tells ends with Thor killing a giant or Odin betraying someone And like they even I think comment on that. It's like damn all these stories. I seem to end that way. It's like, yeah Yeah, now you see why get fucked up drunk and oh someone looked funny at him. And then he goes like you're done So This isn't you Thor You can is waiting outside Please Quiet boy So I want to pause here because I don't know if you've noticed in the scene The first thing a trace tries is completely ignored. Second thing he tries. He goes quiet And the third thing he tries is I said quiet and then he says boy How dare he fucking no one is allowed to call him boy except Kratos, okay Except daddy. Oh My name is I love how everyone who sees this is like boffite That's how the hijinks shall now ensue. Yes, that's how they all start nice. They they were waiting for that I was immediately on board. I was like, yeah No, I oh, come on. No, no, no, I swear that really was Is that a Oh, I don't I don't know the name if it's got one. I'm not even sure if this is in the soundtrack the released one Thinking too much Couple things that getting achieved there for specific reasons. I don't know if you saw it but just to the left there was Milnia and Ingrid are fighting each other and yeah holding its own the swords So I think there's an assumption sometimes that Milnia is just, you know unbeatable But we got the the axe of course and this sword seems pretty special as well That'll be relevant. Um, and then of course this being A fair question to ask. It's like you are in a bar And we have been sort of beating people up It's like I'm gonna start shooting them at this point. It's like is Odin gonna be pissed. I'm just killing Ida here. Yeah, I like In Asgard solving for the man of steel equation It's well, it is trying to be like, I mean, we can't just have an action scene wherever we are We have to actually like contextualize it Grab his arms, let's get him out of here It's a good fight I'm sorry you had to see him like this. It's fine. Really. I'm strong, but you've got to help me out here Yeah, Treyas carry a load. Come on. It's not that far That uh, that wound Kratos gave him hasn't fully healed as well. So when people often, nope try to point out as well That non-immunity for gods, you know, it's just enough pressure in the right places and you can kill them Scene coming over again You are going to niefelheim with Loki all father's orders You have to get up Disappointed no no no no that was glorious fight If you're not even saying you're sorry this time, can you because what's one more broken promise? Grandfather treated you like crap You were struggling. I get it But you can't just mom and I Are here for you Even when you're here We love you. You know that I just thought this was behind us I fuck probably the only person who can speak to him like that. Absolutely. Oh, yes Oh, I such a like You you go through this game being like so Thor is the hammer of Odin That's what that's the idea and i'm gonna have to beat him because he's a big old thug And you get very little time of him compared to many characters And they've built an entire character who's having extreme difficulties and you almost better understand him Than characters you get entire movies like I know him better than I know Fucking what's her name the new black panther? like uh She was confusing as hell in the new insurer. Yeah, and then you're combined with like two movies worth We're one of them. She's the protagonist compared to a guy who's Almost unable to be called supporting character or secondary character. That's how Categorizing all the characters according to they're like a guest screen time would be like is Thor You know really think about it. We got like a handful of scenes to work with but Uh, this this hits people hard a lot of people have seen lots of comments about it It's uh A lot of families go through stuff like this and so yep How and having all of the context that makes him A monster when reading what's what he's done, but then seeing a lot of this stuff makes it a lot harder to hate him Um makes you understand a lot of what is going on. Um And yeah, just the uh, the look in his face the look in who is Um not uncommon for him and it's likely what led to what happened with magnia modi It's um, they don't want to be having having that happen again Yep So it's a lot it's rough and at this point you start to wonder like what uh What do you want to happen to thaw? What what is going to be next to him? Because uh, you know you you go into the game being like man I can't wait to just have thaw and kratos fight when kratos goes to whatever pantheon You look for the strongest of the gods in that pantheon like i want kratos to fight him I will see that fight. Yeah And then you're like Man Geez, uh So yeah, um Kind of an interesting parallel too, right because a lot of people are very critical of kratos from what they have read But like it doesn't cover as much of what he suffered um Yeah, also a lot I like the the the way through Like reacts like it starts with like being pissed off But that's like, oh, that's not going to do anything. So I'm just going to reinforce like hey We're here for you like me and mom like we we need you here So You can't even say sorry like what is one broken promise? Because that has happened before lots of times before we were even here well I think uh, I think a lot of people won't it pointed out as well. There's no no character in this scene is saying Your veins are full of cheese whiz Exactly. Yeah Yeah, it's taking it seriously Um, I don't know. Yeah, and so it's it's kind of like they did this on papers or something to help us out That we can say like yeah fat Thor. It's a little bit more complicated than it being ruined by him being overweight That's not really the yeah, not really the problem There are ways to go about it, but what are the main ones was take it seriously for fuck's sake pretty much Can I Give you a water or something? Let's make this quick You want to hurry to get back to asgar just get us to that mask piece Oh, and that is someone just said like didn't he just call it by not doing the the flex like he did But do you see how inaccurate it was like, um, yeah I think the Finger flick is supposed to be when it goes to like he has complete control over he always seems to grab it every time He does that but he can call it with uh Without having to do that Hingard, I wish you could smell these was it worth it I don't know what you're talking about Yeah, it's weird. Everyone keeps calling Hugen. There was two birds What's with just where's the other ones going on racism busy? Who looks up to you I hope you know that don't need a lecture about parenting from you Just find it. Looks like we got to head through that wall That's all I needed at first No, we can go You really keep trying You have no idea the kind of shit I've been through right have giant son of a powerful god with impossibly high expectations How could I ever know what that's like? Okay? I just want to add one more thing if you can't be yourself You also might not feel like you can follow your own path That doesn't sound familiar to you at all So we've got um I assume with that he's getting for uh through it right like Especially with what we've overheard What Thor is figuring out about his own daughter in terms of how better to I guess help her is to encourage her And that like the trace is kind of like pointing out it's like hey man You kind of need that too And I see the I don't know if that was a bit jolted there, but like yeah, he the Thor goes. Hmm We got What does it matter seems stupid to gripe about the things we can't change who says we can't Dammit ancient again with the griping calling out a problem isn't griping. It's healthy I don't know if it just happened to be that way but the way he walks past with the ancient is like Preparing his laser and his Thor's just like Uh Um, I mean, you know that one's pretty uh Yeah, also uh Just uh, I saw this mentioned by a couple people Thor is just like this It's kind of cool to have a companion that actually deals shit tons of that He can take on everyone you fight as a traitors for you if you want you'll just do it all Yeah, he actually he's not just superfluous, right? Like it's just it's kind of fun when they do that I think if you take so we just straight up one hit kills the ancient or something Yeah, as soon as you get the ancient down to a certain amount of health. He just kills it. Oh, okay. Okay Problem song a lot of his dialogue is about how he hates thinking What are you going to say when you see them again? Siff and through I mean if all fun is pleased it doesn't matter I don't need you to solve my family problems for me. Just find the mask. Let's get out of here You're enjoying the freedom Out here without thought you're looking over your shoulder. I uh, well Yeah, I guess it's different from what I'm used to In a good way. Looks like we got to get up that cliff No thinking It's better when I know it's gonna happen Thor, I um, hope everything goes okay when you see Siff and through Well, hoping is better Music music old music showcase Also, again this uh, like this section in particular kind of uh Sort of venerates the choice of having these atreus sections because it's just insights that would be really hard to facilitate otherwise. Yeah Because I mean without it Thor's still really great, but with it. It just uh adds so much more to that character Yeah, because he wouldn't Tell those things too great or sorry. No, you never get to You never get to see those family dynamics, which is super important in terms of uh characterizing him. It's like really integral And he's chipping away at Thor He is you can tell. Yeah, he's getting a little bit, uh more receptive to the things that he's saying sort of Emotionally intelligent right like appealing to if you remember when they first started talking right atreus to try and gain some ground Reference to how his giants You know ancestors or family to a degree were killed by Thor and Thor bit back harder than he could have expected He just backed off of that and he's been trying other things and he's appealed to his daughter quite a bit And referencing and stuff and it's like it's working way better And uh, it's cool as well because Odin said be nice to Thor see what happens atreus is being nice to Thor And it's kind of working. Yep Gotcha That was close. Um Thanks, Thor wasn't about to lose that man Okay, you did it We are on the verge of great things all of our work together You're welcome I'm sorry You are here. Why is I? Fucking I love his performance. You are here. Why? Because like the thing is yeah, he couldn't give less of a fuck about Whatever news they have this is this perfectly accentuates Odin's character You might be like well, what if I had the information on who killed Heimdall? He's like literally don't give a shit Like it could have been it could have been me. I don't even care like The mask has just been formed like it's it's the it's the key to all knowledge There's nothing you could tell me that'll change that and what she has is pretty important information But watch him. He just does not care about it His father Heimdall for said he has proof take him. No Leave him alone. I command it. You said no more ace your blood would be spilled. You said family comes first You don't think that this is retribution for him being here He's put your granddaughter in danger He's made your son miserable. Look, he didn't kill Heimdall His father did your daughter is old enough to make her own mistakes and your husband Started drinking again all on his own dismissed I might have subtly nudged him a couple times He's so great though. Like the fuck I just controlled the shit out of this room. So to speak Yeah She brought up a lot and he counted all of it Yeah At like as he's speaking as well. She's she's like losing her posture a little bit like, uh-oh This is not whoopsie because uh, I think she thought she had a pretty good argument But the thing is he's always going to recontextualize everything according to what benefits him most Because he's not necessarily wrong about everything he just said neither. Well the thing is She is like things aren't doing great for our team right now. You understand that right and he's like, uh, my team is fine I'm getting the mask Yeah Actually, I'm winning like I have like right now. I'm doing great interrupting me like what do you what do you want? Oh, no thoughts drinking. Whatever. I like him better that way. Anyway, fuck off You too a word Now he's probably gonna be like you guys work for me. What are you doing? Lying around a hero. What is this? Can't you see what's happening? He's not protecting us Magni Maudi our boys We used to tell them stories by the fire Do you remember We would carve those wooden horses We would play And laugh until the sun sank And they fell asleep in our labs They were thrown at the all fathers problems like brittle knives to a mountain face And for what? I'm sorry. We're just gonna break it up a bit. Sistine's so fucking good. Um, yeah The thing a lot of people came away from with this scene Was that uh syph Encourage thaw to kill atreus That is not what happened wrong. Not really wrong. That is very wrong Very clear who she was encouraging him to take action against. Yeah, it wasn't atreus Thor Seems to never take up against his father. He just won't do it. Nope And uh, but he's he's got so much rage right now And so right at somewhere Yeah, he's got it. He's got to do something. I even love the uh as his face raises back up. You hear the thunder um, mm-hmm Very fucking pissed Uh, well, he's gonna direct it at somebody the key line. I think is a lot of people reference, right? They were thrown like brittle knives against a mountain face. It's like if you were told that Like who is to blame for this event? It's like you wouldn't blame the mountain Nope And so yeah, uh pretty straightforward, but yes, he's he's gonna take it out on someone else My son In their beds Turn my father against me My daughter. I have no idea what's happening. You know, I finally thought of something. I can teach you Better be right Cindy kind of neat the um The him doing that I think you'd probably maybe will be concerned like surely the hammer would have done So it's like no then the sword got out the sword the sword protected him And uh, I guess Ed we that was set up sort of thing earlier at least it was shown It was a possibility and uh, I think that comes through as proof the sword is Its loyalty almost extends further to atreus than it does Thor um So a lot to put on the line and it also makes it so that the sword is still in asgard not Uh able to reach us here. So It's doing a whole bunch of things at once and it's such a quick small detail I think was a really good choice I could I could imagine that they had built this in the story and then they were like Should we show an example of the sword putting up with milnia earlier on because it I think a lot of people would be like Wait, be all near can be stopped by the sword, you know So It could be I don't know. I just uh, it's it sounds like something that could have happened to sort of help congealify all of it All kinds of magical weapons out there. Who knows what they can do And before that happened as well, you could hear odin being like what the fuck Yeah, but what are you doing? And so you can only imagine what's happening right now in terms of a conversation Out of plan and exit betray us Glad you're safe lot got out just in time pretty shy burned my bridges in asgard though Wait, why were you out here? Zindry told us where you would arrive. Should you find trouble? Oh, I thought you might have been exploring without me. No lad. Your dad was just concerned Oh, now that you mention it. I'm here brother. Please. It's also crowded and tense back home Don't you miss the three of us out finding our own adventures putting off the inevitable exactly Exactly. Do you remember we were happy when we stung election bar, right? Of course. He remembers Right brother, of course. I remember I'm back. You can kill yourself in the first game if you do that I know I haven't I never went there. That's fun. Yeah, if you go back there They're like, you know what happens and he's like, yes, of course Because there's another there's another line about it with freya Who is like, oh, that's one of the other weird things we did when we Met last time or something along those lines Dying in the first game is specifically why I did not go try that I was scared Back every day. You made it. I'll get here Join us at the table if you're ready to stay see I told you the key would get him home because you tapped it with a hammer Dwarven magic makes no sense right right Out of dog parks You're back. I can't figure that one out. Are you okay? I'm fine I just hope unlocking this thing was worth the cost. You have it What did it show you? I didn't get to use it. They found out about heimdall I had to run But at least odin can't use it either, but If you didn't get any answers from the mask All you've done is steal odin's greatest treasure Just after your father's killed his most loyal ally None of us are safe Even here so we have no choice We find serter sound gala horn and bring odin to justice Now you'd incinerate every soul in asgard and call itself defense Does he ever suggest plans and just crap on everyone else's the obvious plan is staring at your face Yeah, we don't need odin to use this We can slip into asgard and do it ourselves right under his nose We gain the knowledge we need to shatter this prophecy of war once and for all Except begging your pardon. You don't have a way into asgard. You got the big horn, don't they? Oh, so you expect me to sneak into asgard blowing a horn that sounds across all the rounds I expect you to bite my blue bunchie Please just Think about it So, um, I'm pretty sure this is what happened on my stream, but I can't remember. No, it's been so long I think uh, my my aspect here was like it would it would be interesting to know what brock thinks And you can go walk up to him at ask. I can't remember if I did it on stream or not though, but uh, oh, okay Oh, don't look at me to come Games But I'll listen soon as you got what you need here It's just fun in terms of like the interactions. They often have we'd be like Why would the player walk up to brock now when we're just between that? It's like probably to just to see if he has anything to say. He's like, I don't fucking know Just appreciate it this mask The easy answers that it promises I know this Shortcuts always have a price Atreus You have carried it What do you think I think it's a chance Now worse we'll have something Odin wants his leverage at best If it really gives us all the answers then we can make our own path Nobody has to die Grand Now all we need is a way to ask God I know I've been a burden to you all I know you've questioned why you even pulled me out of that hole I have to but it's clear now This is what I'm needed for This is my purpose One last time I will pick up my spear and I will lead us to asgard Well ain't that neat Yay, that's good. Finally. He's come through. It seems like he understands now. It's not like we've had a huge amount To develop him with but I mean That time with the undead people attacked that's really what got him going on the whole like I need to stop taking action You know and maybe the death of hindal and all the developments and making him think like if I don't act More violence will occur Seems to make sense Same as that way But do you catch Freya's reaction to the background there? Um, no keep an eye on it. I will pick up my spear and I will lead us to asgard He's literally like what the fuck But if you got a way to asgard, where's that idea been this whole fucking while? That's Not that I fear question brother. You was held asgard You would have gotten us all killed. It's a pretty big deal because Kratos was going mad with panicking about how he couldn't get to atreus and if you had a door to asgard the whole time that's uh That's big potatoes, but apparently his reason is you know, you would have gotten us all killed which is like All right And we need to find his destiny Here it is It's all led to this If we can get inside I'm going after odin. They will not stop you We can do both spot on brother. If the mask doesn't give us an out. We'll still have that drop on him Works for me. Let's do it then and quickly before he sees us coming He does hate surprises Slow down you damn spruce I still want to hear the details on this uh new way to asgard you got Spill it. It's an ancient path. We can't reach it from here. Where then? Let me collect my things and I'll show you you ain't got no things And where are you going with that mask rock? That belongs to the kid He earned it. All you've done was make passable dirt soup rock. It's okay. No it ain't This ain't right All the pieces ain't welding together true Like what's with him calling you lokey anyway You know that ain't his name Hey, I'm talking to you. You'll never shut up You're All the things hold it Let go of the boy and face me until your brother does throw me the mask and you've got a deal Freya If he dies down now It wasn't part of the plan But if he dies we are square for heimdall And honestly you got a bargain. I will kill you plan on that So nice spending time with you again Freya, please Can't be in two places at once freg Hey, I don't move you don't move Don't do anything you won't crack. I regret many things. Killing you will not be one of them I I'm in control here Throw me the mask Now you have to save him You have to He can't you can't If I go back to the lake Stop This Whole time. What do we do now? Now now we kill odin And anyone who gets in our way can't run away from this kratos Odin won't stop until we stop him. We need you here That's probably a place to stop Yeah So What about that, huh? You want to start with uh Because I figure in order to break down all of that it's worth taking it in chunks So maybe the first and foremost would be tear Yes reveal And the recontextualization of all of his scenes Prior to that we will have to wait a little bit to talk about that actually Well, not not because it's not suitable because i'm gonna Put them all in i'm waiting for a line from the mirror that prompts it Oh, you've got some scenes in there and the yes, so we'll talk about that in a sec All I want to say about that right now is that they Uh, there's someone that's pointing out by several people and it's a fucking great detail Whenever they refer to tear he's got an accent above the why Yes, but whenever he speaks there's no accent on his Yeah Just a little that kind of attention to detail is fantastic little clue I didn't really do I didn't have subtitles on so I didn't catch that. Oh, wow. That's what I had subtitles on it didn't catch it Nobody did That you're looking for beforehand. Yeah. Yeah, which is kind of amusing when i'm pretty sure mamiya like explicitly said Odin has tricks up his sleeve. We haven't dared to consider. It's like, yeah, I guess not Yeah, um, yeah I think it was after this scene that I was like Odin is a fucking phenomenal villain now like that Knowing that he's been here the whole fucking time going all the way back To see the interactions with him Where he says stop looking for tear. He's dead It's like when he says that the the take in that scene is like, well, so then he's alive like why would you be so And it is he did it on purpose. He's trying to come across as though He's playing hard to get with tear in a way that it matters to him that you do not get tear Like I don't want you to have tear get away. He's mine plants himself as tear And then, you know puts very few obstacles in your way to stopping you from getting and then once you get him out They launch what like a handful of iron here. Yeah, like enough that you can obviously defeat them That he heads into the broom closet and he lives in there pretty much to the point with his jokes being made about the other people About how he just stays in there all the time Yeah, everyone just everybody just thinks oh, yeah, I mean he's been tortured forever He even says all the broom closets all I can handle anyway. So I just to ease my way back into society basically Uh, but yeah, it was all part part of the the plan the other thing Odin did That's like that is already really impressive to me. Right like recontextualizing and adding layers to everything. He's already said He gave tear an arc to make him more convincing Right. It's incredible. He played the character of guy who's been tortured for thousands A thousand years or hundreds of years, whatever it is and that he's uh, he's a passive You know Diplomat type who now abhors violence in any and all senses and Uses that to try and argue why he's kind of inept at suggesting things that'll be really useful to them And in reality it was just Odin kind of just trying to avoid suggesting anything useful to him And as I said, we're going to go through the tears dialogue in a second to look at what the angles were And then keeping all of the oh, sorry Let's just say to what you said then the final angle for for Odin outside of the obvious of getting that mask just the He's been speaking to atreus knowing all of this shit. So yes He when he's like, do you know what happened to heimdall and he's like, no Odin's just disappointed because that was a test He's hoping atreus would probably come out with the maybe the truth of thus the level they were at But he was just like, oh, you didn't there we go um But Keeping all of that in mind and how elaborate Odin's plan was Does it not make perfect sense that brock the plain speaking no nonsense guy on the team saw through it So I mean a lot of people have trouble with with this and I'm not entirely sure why but hey What what I titled this I think at least on the reupload was it's a guide to the story as well as A breakdown of it It's like very cool. It's dumb that frayer and mamiya didn't see this well before everyone else They're the smart characters who are familiar with tear, right? What's going on? Um, I think that it's almost flawless with mamiya. Mamiya is incredibly Sad about the state of tear because it's it's just like him They are like one to one in terms of their life experience And he's seeing the guy who didn't used to be this way completely broken He makes several comments about it He believes the the character odin is playing is the character that tear could ended up being there's several different people Tear could end up as a result of the treatment. He's had this is one of them And mamiya Can contextualize a lot of stuff in the same way? I think an audience would some of the things tear says and again We can go over it once we get to the examples There's reasons he would say them that aren't just it would be absurd I think that what people need to realize is once they've been given the secret They start to piece it together in such a way as though they had that information Like when you don't you don't immediately why the hell would you go like? Oh, yeah, that sounds like odin Like no, yeah, just it just sounds like a broken man And the and they're almost sad to address part of it The only time mamiya actually steps further out of it is when you have their lives are threatened Like that's when mamiya's were willing to sort of almost criticize him But both fray and mamiya take extreme pity on tear And that's why he was able to they know what Because they know what odin can do to people rock doesn't give a shit who you are You'll speak to everybody the same way And you'll assess the situation in the same way And remember brock and cindy those two are the guys who are in charge of travel throughout all of this series Or rather the north series They're the ones that basically give access to all kinds of things they tell you about how things work and They always have workarounds So it's kind of annoying that the character is just like I have a way to as god. It's like I'm sorry. You have a way to as god Like like that is not that's not something that's very easy Yeah, and then the fact that he says I need to gather some of the things brock has been working in that place this whole time He knows the fucking broom closet with nothing in it. So he's like nothing in it. You're bullshitting. And then of course shit Why are you calling him low key? Yeah, you know, it's like and that is something that that's definitely something that brock would have picked up It's like that is not his name from brock's perspective. Anyway Oh, it just shows a huge amount of respect brock has for atreus. Yes. Uh, well, yeah Like yeah, he he acknowledging the fact that it was it was atreus who earned the mask Like he's the one who went out there put himself in danger potential, you know perilous situations to get it Yeah, like whether or not it's like whether or not we get an access from you to as god Why the fuck are you holding the mask? Exactly. Yeah, you don't need that mask to get your things of all all. Yeah, so good It's oh, I was I was just gonna say it's it's exactly what brock said None of the pieces are welding together true because that's that's him. He's he's a pretty straightforward Guy it's just things make sense or they don't make sense, you know things Atreal or not he's not in in a sense the uh In a sense, it's kind of paradoxical, right? Because Him being a person who's not Very nuanced in the way that he conducts himself means that he's actually quite Clued into nuances of other people of other characters Like the fact that tear is acting is just it just doesn't follow. It just doesn't make sense Like I said, we've tried to highlight as we've gone, but every time brock says something harsh or or Blunt there's an undertone of like why do you think he said that it's like oh it's because he's trying to support someone Or he's trying to help someone out. He's trying to reassure someone like A lot of what he says has a lot of goals behind it Yeah, when when freya and freya if they're They're they're they're seen together and he's like awkward because there's the silence and he just comes in there It's like, okay. What's y'all looking at? Come on. Well, yeah Like under on the wind and so Creators and freya are like having their first reunion and there's like an implication of are they gonna kill each other He's like, I'm here too. Yay. Yeah Hello, you can't expect that's not deliberate on brock's part and this is when you start to realize why I mean it's not applicable to everybody, but why it fucking Isn't very nice to see him die He's uh Yeah, he's a he's a part of this series that is has been quite reassuring warm fun and yeah, he's the first npc you meet uh When when you start 2018 it's the first other person you meet and immediately the the The way he talks and everything is like oh god This is going to be a fun character and he's been here this whole time and now he just got stabbed to shit and then it's Very exciting Supposed to kind of help you Supposed to make sense that there's a salt of the earth dwarf Yeah Yeah, um Yeah, yeah, I go I I love the line from kratos, uh where he says, uh There are many things I regret in my life, but killing you won't be one of them Yeah Oh, such a kratos line it is Yeah, and I just I I love freya like Looking at potential vengeance right in front of her She's been waiting for a chance to even be in the same room as odin, but someone behind her is asking for her help like oh And I love the live remotely where he's just like can't play in two places at once frag frag yeah He's just fucking with it. He doesn't care about brock as he said earlier in the game Don't really care for the door at the blue one or something along those lines, right? He never stopped talking something like that. You talk too much. Yeah Oh, yeah, though Do you have a shut up is what he said when he stabbed him which is indicative by the way of odin didn't Reach his plan here because he had to he reached his fucking boiling point with the dwarf Like you have the thing he wanted most in his life. He has has in his hands And all he needs to do is get into this broom closet and there's this little fucking blue dwarf that talks funny And he doesn't think is very intelligent And it's starting to see through his little facade or his big facade more like And yeah, he just fucking loses his shit loses his cool He's like, do you ever shut up and then He goes from there and yeah, as I said even says that wasn't part of the plan But then he starts to to course correct me to say hey, if you just let me go we're square for heimdall, right? So that's a bargain Yeah, I was about to say it was like oh I actually don't care for that person very much But I just want that fucking mask now and want to go back home and use it And it's been pointed out before but uh, you should have grasped it now The reason he said it's a bargain is because he doesn't view it from a point of view of like how much a person means to them It's utility heimdall was really useful Uh, Brock isn't that useful. He's just a blacksmith, right? And so it's just which is funny Yeah, you've got a backup one right there like it's just how Odin sees the world Yeah, and the scene is just just Having to deal with the reality The tear was owed in this whole time all the stuff we've just talked about and then also Brock has been stabbed and is dying in the background And then also atreus is has a knife to his throat and the mask is a risk All of this at once. It's it's quite a scene It is very intense Like I was uh, I was on the edge of my seat if you will when that all happened. I was like, oh fuck And yeah, I wouldn't dare say I think uh, it's not just that he's pissed off that Brock was doing all this But I think Odin was realizing like oh shit the longer this conversation goes on I am actually going to get fucked because uh, yes The whole idea is like I can get to Asgard, but I'm gonna need the mask at the same time This was the chance to get those both, but he fucking noticed Um, yeah, and yeah, and then of course we have all of what Sindri told us um But he has trouble he's not letting they that's what I noticed by the way with with literally this uh Stream that we've been doing with the first part When um Atreus says to Fenrir that you have to let go Uh, I completely blanked that that that was echoed in Brock saying that to Sindri. Oh, that's true. Yeah, that's a good shout. I didn't notice that Parallels they're all over this game and they're all great They are It's really good Talking about Sindri. He's not doing didn't take that too well. I know and he and he did something that Yeah, he did something that I only I would invite rags to talk about it Second playthrough. Oh, yeah, go go ahead rags. Go go do it. Oh, and I I really liked it I thought it was a really super duper cool payoff Uh, I mean, I don't know if I can add much that hasn't already been said. I really enjoyed watching this play I heard you noticed something that I only noticed on my second playthrough Yeah, I was I was inviting you to talk on the subject of what Sindri did in the scene. Yeah At the end there the last thing he did, yeah Oh, yeah, I think one of the reasons that makes this one of my favorite parts of the game If not my favorite part was particularly Sindri teleporting The thing that I found very interesting about it is that especially rewatching a lot of these clips They go through a lot of effort to make sure that you never see Sindri and Brock coming and going The they just sort of are around Uh Last stream we had talked about when Sindri goes to Atreus's room and he appears with the stew Um, how they specifically have him appear in the room In between and this was in between, uh No, sorry Atreus is in between the player Our perspective our view the camera essentially and where Sindri appears So he walks past The camera and Sindri, you know, he uses that cover essentially to You know appear in the world Obviously, that's not something that Sindri is aware of and the real you know in his world that he's being watched by Players in a sense, right? So all of these all of these methods are used to hide their teleportation um Even in the sense of their the the people the characters in the world are aware of it But we we never get to see it So in this moment of incredible emotional trauma The fact that Sindri Teleports in front of the player like that It's almost I I I get this idea that it's a Just to show how emotionally broken he is in this moment There's this idea of there's no pretense of even hiding this thing anymore that's been hidden for two games now That a lot of care has gone into hiding. It's not it. There's no point in hiding it anymore He doesn't even care about hiding it almost as if there's a wink wink nudge nudge That Sindri is all these things are being done with the player in mind and now it doesn't matter if the player sees it um It it in a way something is broken very In a way. Yeah, it becomes very kind of meta In a way that you get to finally see that and this is what it takes for that to happen Uh, which I really really enjoy about that moment where he it's it's like its own payoff and a payoff um So I really really like that I think there's a really excellent element of kind of player involvement that goes into that payoff Uh of finally being able to see that happen Uh and using it for that moment I think that That covers most of what we need to talk about except the tier parts, but we're gonna get there in a second Just strong performances all around as well and the music lots uh that we just took this fatal fine uh theme essentially and slowed it right down and Changes the tone completely while maintaining the meaning Um, yeah, if anyone couldn't have guessed at this point from everything We were fond of this story of the story is really good This is a moment where I bet it You just see all of these moving parts come together a lot of planning A lot of it's kind of like a lot of the lines of dialogue that are completely superfluous That a lot of players will never ever get whether you're going back to the wolves at home in mid-guard Or whether you check in at brock after a dinner discussion The there's just all these lines that are totally optional that statistically most players probably This a lot of them just will not get but they made them anyway for the players who did And in the same way you have all of these details that especially when the new game pluses start rolling out and people play it again And we get that resurgence of people No, you know going in with that, you know extra knowledge and noticing things that they'll appreciate I mean they're putting in so much work and effort and there's so much planning and craftsmanship here That you can't help but really appreciate it And well, I guess we've mentioned as well in this freeze frame, uh, they Make alterations to atreus his facial expression for this sequence. Yeah Like this whole sequence we're going through he's looking he's looking a bit a bit sad a bit sad-faced Well, I just appreciate him looking to kratos as well Yeah help And oh, yeah, that's pretty worth mentioning kratos his reaction. It's so Blunt and it's like what's happening there and it's just like I believe one else is fucking dead He's lost someone else and if you didn't notice it was kind of the person he cared about most outside of atreus Didn't like to admit a lot of these things He's always quite subtle with his affections of any kind but um Don't forget who this man is. This is kratos when someone he loves dies He has one response And he's desperate to not have that fucking response So what is he doing right now? Uh, you might say he's panicking Let's just go outside and hunt some deer boy Oh his face It's like please help father Where are we going? Oh Father can we I want to go hunting I will follow we are with you atreus What are we hunting you are hunting deer Which way in the direction of deer deer Which way we headed lot in The direction of deer. Oh, I love that call bag. So mm juicy It's poetry. We're going to where we began Yeah It's poetry. It rhymes And the sun's path in the background Yep I mean it like it's not as As much of a dismissive line as it kind of sounds like like the direction of deer isn't just like fuck you just go It actually is saying We're hunting. We don't necessarily know the destination the but Finding out where exactly we are going is kind of part of the part of the task well, and they did that right after the death of the wife and mother right like And what happened after fenrea died like we're about to in this sequence deal with what is it that kratos is doing when They commit to this sort of decision whenever they deal with grief Do you wish to speak of what happened? I think I heard something It was that they played the line then they played it again as if to insult like what's going on here It's like no, it's the It's the point behind these scenes taking place what the characters are dealing with Yeah, like I would hope that there's a recognition of what reincorporation is Like it's just a thing in storytelling of taking something that was used in one One context before and reapplying it in a different context After different events with different characters like with different, you know, essentially different people in terms of the arc that they've gone on A different scenario this isn't Referenced to be like remember the other game had a line That involved no No, absolutely not It's very very purposeful atreus remembers exactly what happened after his mom died And remember that line pretty well because it was him looking for direction from his father and it was a pretty useless line but obviously it's it means a lot more of what's going on in kratos' head as well at the time but He's just repeating it because now brock is dead someone that atreus felt pretty strongly about This one He just needs space It's such a boring trick in writing repeated lines. Damn Wait, are you gonna commit to that? Realizing previously stated things as like as wow. All right Interesting. It acts as a link. It's not really about the lines themselves The words themselves. It's about what's happening. Um, but hey Uh, I like we could explain it any better than that as odin would say I uh, I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you Yeah They're leaving that way Atreus Violence changes us. You are not weak to feel its effects. We're all feeling its effects I keep Seeing it the knife brock sin tree's face Son accuracy overspeed That was running and so are we I Don't understand You should find sin tree a good idea where you might be Yeah, uh Committing to rage violence or distraction. It's like none of these ever get us anywhere. It's like yeah, what are we supposed to do then? What is next like What should we do? It's like we should probably go find sin tree one of those things we need to Talk to the people affected and then figure out what what we're gonna do next constructive things sort of thing not Well, yeah The apt realization here is that you can't like there's a problem here That needs to be resolved and it's not going to be resolved by just going out into the woods to hunt Um, yeah, this is not a situation that demands passivity. You know, there is action that is required action both in terms of uh The the the stakes of the story but then also actions by way of them healing and coming to terms with what's happened It's good stuff. Is it okay? I need to think about what I'm gonna say to Of course Everywhere I look I'm reminded of my mistakes Our actions have consequences to be reminded of them is not punishment Feels like it If I had just seen through a deception that fooled us all Stopped an attack you could not predict There is no if Atreus Your father's right. There are things even gods cannot control It's one of Here's simple That's where we're headed in the mirror There's a chance that we can bring Brock back Andrew did it once Maybe we could figure out a way to do it again I'm afraid not little brother When a soul missing its full year its direction like rocks leaves its corporeal form Well, it can't reach the lake of souls He's not only dead He's been denied an afterlife Does nothing to bring back It's really gone Atreus if there was anything we could do I promise you we'd be doing it I know We're stupid of me to hope in the first place And so at this moment When I heard that I was just sort of struck with oh man. Yep Yeah, yeah, that's what he's That's going through his head like he knows better than everybody about that Exactly. It's not just about the loss of brock permanently for all of the audience and the characters That's happening as a permanence as well as his loss of the afterlife due to one person's decision Yeah And so If that person is aware of it, which seems very likely At this point, you're not even sure what you're in for in terms of meeting back up with him Yeah, I think it's just in general uh Pretty nice that they Gave atreus this thing where they where he goes. Oh shit. That's all my fault because of course in his mind man If I never looked for tear This all wouldn't have happened So he of course goes back to his mind. He's like, oh shit. This is all my fault It's almost like you could say his pursuit of knowledge got to the point where he started to not necessarily Understand there could be some serious consequences And I'm actually I'm real glad you brought that up metal because something I noticed as well You remember when atreus said like, you know, stop thinking like a father and start thinking like a general They're very harsh like no and then you know, they're much more considered No, we got the same thing again there The instinctive reaction is no, it's not your fault. But then the slow considered one is still no that isn't your fault Like it's not don't don't hold that don't don't Be so hard on yourself about this choice Again, that feels like a really deliberate callback Yeah But I guess that's just a repeated line to be fair. So I'm very interested in Only the first one can't Not a fire with one One guy about this is kind of funny. He literally just said I'm a trained writer and this is like bad Isn't that just like a pretty categorical argument from a party It's just funny On yourself I've just never been more convinced of my life, you know, just like No, that doesn't work atreus kratos knows that Yep What he's gonna say I heard a song about that once on the river sticks Oh, no Which I I like that as well as the line because oh Well, actually, let's finish let let him finish. Oh, I thought you were gonna say that you like that mamiya chimed in because mamiya did the same thing like you Trying to get away from uh from all of his mistakes with odin, but they've come back to haunt him several times What I like about it is that this is the negative aspect of the life that you have has some consequence on you that is uh Ultimately inseparable from you like that. There's the acknowledgement of yeah your mistakes still sort of ling with you But is there a flip side in terms of things that will stay with you even when they're, you know, no longer present in your life Hmm I have tried I will follow you no matter where you go If you are to sail because with mamiya, yeah, you did a lot of side missions and stuff people talked about mamiya The lift at the end of the bridge and still work We can get up to the temple that way Atreus, what makes you so sure cindy will be here. That's where he and brock were united Reforging something that broke He'll be here. I'm so sorry. No No, I don't want to hear it You don't know what sorry means We're not letting odin get away with this Would that be the odin you invited into my home that some of us were bigger fools than others aren't we I gave you everything my skills my friendship my home my secrets my treasures And you just kept taking And now what have I got Not even my family He wants sorry. This is what sorry looks like. I What can we do? There is no me There's only you No matter what the cost So what you can do is get the fuck out of my sight There's family too I react to this poorly on my first viewing of it, but um, I don't know for speaking ahead spoiler-wise, but uh The way this thread wraps up Turned it around for me. Well, uh, this isn't directed at anybody in particular, right? But like he says a lot of stuff in there and it strikes some people a lot of people mysteriously as how well the sin tree. What are you doing, man? You you you kind of let odin in there too It's your place. You know, it's not like it's just their fault. You're you've got a hand in all Gotta understand. I think that uh, sin tree is not in a place right now where he's going to be entertaining Full rationality. He is uh, he is a raging ball of absolute violence and anger and pain And it's something that kratos recognizes when he tells him to mourn as he wishes. He recognizes This is like yeah a lot of these things that he's saying. Yeah, they're unfair, but like he's really really sad right now You just gotta you gotta give him some space He's dealing with everything. Um, yeah, um things that the reality is that these two can't really relate to this this specific thing this event Especially the implications it has on on sin tree in terms of a choice that he made and the consequences of that choice How can we not parallel with freya the uh Causing so much damage to someone you love by trying to protect him and Do you remember back when you met our first sequence with with uh, trayus and sin tree? He says, uh, the reason he did it was selfish. He didn't want to be alone Hmm The key recognizes it wasn't for brock's benefit. It was for his own Mm-hmm, right So this ad is turmoil Yeah, well, I mean, I mean it feels very appropriate and deliberate Yeah, uh, credit us and the trays went past the bear again as like a reminder of that time when intent versus consequences and how to deal with them You know since we had an intent there was a consequence and now he has to he has to grapple with it. He has to deal with it However, this is not going to be easy There is some truth to what he said and it's an unfortunate reality. I think that can be spotted as a Yes, almost a byproduct of just normal attitudes. I think we went over our metals forge. Um, We did there's this thing that's happening throughout the 2018 in this this game That made me feel bad Especially replaying it all Cinder he's not treated very well by him. He really isn't really not anybody. Um he's Brock I think gets a little bit more fun and and Better treatment almost because of the fact that he doesn't take shit Uh, so you got to deal with him a little bit more difficulty Uh, uh, Cinder on the other hand, he almost plays the doormat to some extent, but nobody ever Sort of breaches that treatment of him. They just do it. Um, Our primary character kratos basically is never quite respected cindy in the same way he does brock And uh, what we trust him Yeah, what really fucked that up was the atreia stuff freya commented on that in svartlfam. She was like You know, are you really that angry at cindy? And it's like, yeah, he is uh kratos I think would probably never forget the fact that for years He didn't have what he thought was his full like parentage control over his son and part of it was to do with Uh, sort of the use of another person in the background A person that he probably expected would have come to him In terms of of saw now that like his son is sneaking off to go and find shrines and stuff So, yeah, uh, but obviously cindy's logic was like what do you mean? I was trying to protect him like You know, he was gonna do what he was gonna do which funnily enough is exactly what Thor said about throod He they will do what they're gonna do. I'm just trying to look out from um And so you've got that you've got how they keep Basically like receiving upgrades and bonuses from him and despite the fact that they provide materials all the time in the same like Uh mechanics of video games you'd expect Uh, it's rare like kratos will say, you know, it fits and then cindy'll be like, okay good. Yeah, cool sweet You know, that's some of my best work like uh, how else how often does kratos explicitly said thank you to Uh, cindy. I don't even sure if he says thank you at all in 2018 when you're buying armor, but I think I don't think so I think he does in this game, but I I would love to check if it's only with brock I I can't it would be a really interesting detail if they had it that way But I know I've caught him saying thank you when you're buying armor here and there Yeah, but I I never Never checked for who it was. So yeah, I would need to double check that as well so Yeah, um, and it's why we highlighted it or at least I tried to with uh in svartl fine when you go back to When you have the bifrost situation Trying to get it so that realm travel is open so that kratos and atreus can go to where they want to go Uh, brock and cindy actually set it up. They crack it. It's it's kind of amazing to get them back to full realm travel and kratos's reaction is My bifrost is drained And cindy's like, oh well, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, it's not so bad, right? Yeah, you don't you don't need the bifrost to go around the realms anymore I just I we've gotten you full realm travel. Then he's like I used it for light Yeah, it's such a If I can build you something for light then asshole Exactly that and he almost looks regretful like oh no, I fucked up and it's like no you didn't it's just kratos is not That's just who kratos is he's he's a He could be difficult and yeah, and so when he gets them Uh, he gives you the compass. It's like a special device and you're more so mystified by it until kratos like begrudgingly admits Like it's a compass It's a compass Like like saying it like it's not as cool as it Fuck it is sort of thing and then he provides them the lights And they're just like Okay and um, I think when he provides the I think it's either the compass or the light that he says like you know, sorry for Getting in your way of your little quest. He's like when in reality, I'm providing you something that's really useful So really, you know, you should anyway like and you got the thing with the bear basically like He gets shat on throughout and I think this cracked a portion of his personality to no longer accept that Like nah fuck you guys Um, yeah almost almost almost like uh atreus in this little Little angry face in 2018 where that's um, oh you always just complain complain complain, but never actually talk to your brother It's like almost a little parallel there again. Maybe Well, I mean, that's actually one of the things that caused some dissonance for me when I first got to this scene because when Sindri says and like now you you've cost me my family I was just like but You wouldn't even have been talking to brock if it weren't for kratos and atreus like you But is there a quest that brought you guys back together like you were estranged So that sort of I was like van sindri's being kind of an asshole and um, they they made it pay off at the end of the game He is completely lashing out because he's I mean, I was about to say a hundred percent. Oh didn't is obviously the one that hit the the killing blow But for the repercussions of what that is it's it's all on sindri And uh, he's more than aware of that in the same way that a lot of the cost of the deal that was made with aries You couldn't blame it on aries Like it was it's a result of kratos' desperation and choice to sell his soul to a god. That's how he could he talks about it from now on it was a huge mistake and It's uh, it's these decisions you make You know, your intentions can be one way or another but those consequences They're gonna be coming whether or not an intention was in a particular way Is uh, it's just a lot of shit going on and um, you can't help but feel A little bit awful for sindri at this point. Um, yeah See how everything turns out I I like if you you notice the uh, the little objective thing often has some interesting uh Interesting lines when after uh after brock died it just said leave dot dot dot um That one I just said I'm in prepare for war like it's kind of ignore It's kind of like the the objective marker is aware of the tone of uh these moments Yeah, it's definitely totally appropriate at times Better when we brought order into justice justice Justice is not what we seek It is vengeance All the seed Leads back to vengeance Maybe that's all we have left The seed was planted for you He's almost yeah, because it's it's all the fucking same every time and he's so Pissed about it like why you pretend for even a minute the it's like it's time to exact justice like no We're angry. They killed our friend and we just want to make them they want we want them to hear We got them It's the reality here and then the trace same as that's that's all we've got so Get back We really are going to war Just come to that Yes And we'll we're back in spot all fine Looking for tear This isn't what I wanted This wasn't what I meant Not if it meant losing brock We know what she is We know We really took everything from sin tree Don't take to heart words said in grief and trace No matter how spot on they feel Are we even sure Freya will still be at the house don't see why not Odin's back door in was also his way out Without the blasted raven apparently hiding in the broom closet The house should be secure and she will not turn away allies in her vengeance. I it's all our vengeance now I'm no more fake tear to twist our minds around Oh a mockery he made of tears desire for peace and mine Skipped over how he's bought and freed the valkyries and that the giants are all gone And how they called me loathing and finding the shrines giants are gone And we got to yelton They were all That is perfectly reasonable for tear to be upset by and interested in it's also Very much information the odin would be interested in he was wondering when I was the giants Also tells us he did not kill them because he's surprised that they're all gone. Well, we already knew that Do we Yeah, do you not remember what happened to the giants? No, we We didn't we we didn't know they were all dead dead Wait, no the fucking balls never mind. Just go ahead Brain fart I had a brain fart We cut that in post Okay, okay Tear in your triumph talk about loki. I'm sorry that name doesn't sound familiar The giants are we're very private people That doesn't sound right at all in retrospect uh The giants and tear were very very very good friends the idea that He doesn't really know much of anything about anything to do with them just seems seems unlikely But this is some of the first things he said you first save him and you sort of just take it at face value He's just like, oh the giants say they were I guess they were pretty private, but Really with all we learned about him in the um The 2018 game it seems unlikely that there would be little to to draw out of him about what the giants thought this that and the other And um, hmm Perhaps after a rest you are certain the giants were not comes to war I said that they were wise in my experience that goes with being peaceful Is uh his desire for peace we've already been over how it all would run on a surface level, but Odin wants the peace because his true motivation is the uh The mask the in the information the knowledge. He doesn't want war. He doesn't want ragnarok Those things aren't useful to him at all um So yeah when you start to this all made sense for what tier may want and tier may say But uh now when you're listening to it with um Odin's intentions behind it all interesting and yeah, these weren't we didn't cover these at first, but I threw them in here some tier kind of Hilariously points out that kratos is looting and you get some like almost meta lines about how yeah my dad likes loot And when you first go through the game, it's kind of fun. You're just like, uh, yeah I do like loot think about it Tier is odin odin has his chance to see Grower shrine Which regards ragnarok and there's apparently a hidden part to it In terms of information tier really wants to see this shrine And uh, it makes way more sense that he does considering he's odin This is this is desperate information. It's been available for ages, but he's had no way of seeing it He's on the cusp and kratos is running around picking up hack silva So just keep that in mind when you listen to these lines My old friend just looting on your chest. We'll be right along. My dad likes lube Like they're giving us much of a choice So your father said I'm just naive I suppose. No Just an optimist old friend Lucky for us swearing off violence doesn't mean he can't disfigure some architecture The shrine awaits He's just looking around. He does this sometimes a curious mind carry on Excellent. Let's continue our set. Yes It's all nice and chill But behind it is a guy who's like, I just grossed ride I want to see the thing Imagine what he was going through in this scene Yeah, knowing that the prophecy is just that he's gonna get fucking killed as god gets destroyed in the other realms of fine The long take presentation really worked for that too because I like or at least watching it back a second time because Right when we would be seeing his reaction is as the camera pans away. Yeah There's only the one camera, so Can't stop ragnarok But we can win it If asgard is destroyed odin will not be the only casualty There must be another way Or do you skew into like all right if they won't fucking work with let's avoid killing odin then He's starting to use the fact that other innocent people could die, right? Yeah Even mentioned, I know is it is it coming up mentioning the wildlife and stuff? Um, well, I'm not sure what you mean Oh, he also says like what all the wildlife like he doesn't really talk about civilians, but like everything in that realm basically Oh, I'm not sure if I have that but yeah, that's okay. I just don't remember if it just comes up here or not Yeah, go ahead. Yes, um It's interesting to compare to something in future, but also something like him standing behind Dirlin when he speaks to kratos right at first like I can't condemn people to stay away from me by using me. Maybe I'll use someone else Keep moving really worked up. I think he's okay focus atreus Here you are A male fit for a champion enough I said who would speak no more of that? Yes, of course Yeah, I mean to offend There is almost no reason he would have said that and that's why it's a weird line, but now that we have odin's like, uh Yeah, just constantly egging them on. Yeah, he's trying to so discontent Uh, I'm not offended It's just a word. No word didn't cloud your judgment I never thought I'd have the pleasure of seeing you again fric Don't call me that. Mm-hmm. I haven't been that person in a long time But I'm happy to see you too I'd feared the worst for so long you must have been through Nothing so bad is what you've suffered Freya I am so so sorry to hear what happened to balder He was only a boy when I saw him last but I know he meant more to you than anything. I can't help but read this as him bringing up something that Made a hate kratos Yeah, like that that's gotta be why he's bringing it up Just in case you want to kill him He's right there and to forebear your vengeance in this way. It's it's truly an inspiration for those of us who believe in peace The only peace these realms will ever know is once odin is gone so like You know, hopefully everything's chill, right? You're not gonna be attacking anyone. It's like I'll be attacking odin. It's like, uh Uh Yeah, just watch him as soon as she declares that he's so annoyed So you're not here to prevent ragnarok here you're to bring it about I'm here to make sure odin doesn't hurt anyone the way he hurt us I can see I've upset you forgive me But odin is like, oh shit. I kind of gave away a little bit too much there. Yeah Yeah I am far removed from my days of diplomacy I bloody knew these two had nicked it and odin blamed me for it disappearing. They stole drop near We didn't steal nothing The way he delivers that they stole it like as if he was wondering Those fucking dwarfs you little shit It's so great because like You can read that I think and it can just pass your mind first time around is just being him being like these guys Doing something immoral like stealing. How I'm yeah I thought it was a sense of almost like he was impressed like they're the ones who managed to do that Like these guys did that I I even my first time around I got a distinct impression that he's uh Disapproving of it. It sounds like he's denigrating like They stole drop near And that's the distinct impression it makes more sense second time around because it's odin saying I knew my fucking ring was stolen. Who did it? It was you guys Especially considering me. Mamiya just said he blamed me for it I bloody knew these two had nicked it and odin blamed me for it disappearing. They stole drop near We didn't steal nothing. We just Ungifted what never should have been gifted in the first place gifted don't like who I became on our last adventure I can't be around the violence that follows him That follows you both I'm sorry. This is a fuck up A lot of uh the dialogue from him is is always just about trying to make everyone not not go for violence not try and kill It's not because he's trying to You know encourage a world of peace with the least amount of Hurt and pain coming to people. It's because he doesn't want them to kill odin Yep Um, I'm gonna rewind that because it fucking glimped up on my side Drive you to such mischief. Is this loki's doing enough? See that line to me just feels really weird considering everything we've heard from him so far on the surface But if it's odin, he's taking an opportunity to try and turn them on loki Yep Because he that's all he does. He's a fucking pot stirrer. He tries to just yeah make everyone more literally Yes, yeah, big fan of the cooking. He is an actual pot stirrer Oh, that looks good The giants didn't make it And only a few of them ever glimpsed it in their visions He's quite taken with that book. They never knew its origin But some believed it was a way to gaze into the secrets of creation itself Is it an oracle? Much much more imagine becoming one with a source of infinite knowledge Is it true I'm doll's dad I can't believe it Yeah, it's so great. He is dad. Yeah, that's that's that's how he discovers it and he it's confirmed with the horn There's no way they'd have that if unless i'm not probably dead And that's what he was looking at. It's just it's great. It's really great. He's still staying in character Even though he just heard that it's like oh It must have been tough stopping it now Odin swore peace only so long as you spilled no more acer blood I refuse that deal Yet he honored it. It's just why would he say that? Why would he that's one of the most blatant examples of that's just odin speaking right now? But now I'm fine. I just hope unlocking this thing was worth the cost. You have it What did it show you? That's like it's just odin Like you can you can tell that they decided to make the lines more overt as he you get closer to the room We're excited. He's yeah, yeah, he's getting closer. The mask is right there As as much as the deal one that like I refused that deal yet. He honored it line was it was overt like okay That's very much odin speaking, but it's also rooted in heimdall's A supposed pacifism You know like it would make sense for him. You mean oh, no, sorry. Sorry tear. Yeah I mean it's rooted in in what we know of tear Are sorry of pseudo tear, you know like faked here the the persona that he's been projecting or like the personality Is that he doesn't want war for any reason? So when he's like, well Odin hasn't caused like he has honored that deal for peace. So, you know, well, so yeah, it wasn't that you should have too Anyways, even if it wasn't hand shook, you know It wasn't that it couldn't be justified in some way shape or form with what we know about tear It's that it's so inappropriate like to come from A guy who was tortured by him to a bunch of people who've been tortured by him and threatened by him Like what do you mean? He honored the deal. We all know him to be someone who doesn't fucking do that shit Why would you even say that? Like it if he honored the deal it's only for his own benefits like it's it's the kind of thing That if another character was feeling particularly Uh annoyed they might have really picked on him, but That did eventually happen The character was called brock. He had enough of his shit Master young master atreus. I'm so relieved to see you safe. My infinite condolences to you all I do not know what to say I am devastated to hear about what happened to master brock To think that something like that could happen in my home of all places I am sickened and deeply sorry Is master cindy all right? no But he is safe He has returned to midgard I see I can only imagine the grief. He must be feeling Please take care you two You're back Are you with us? Good. It's time It's kind of funny. Are you with us to unite the realms? Okay, good Someone else said wait, but how does brock figure it out before the beer and frayers like Uh roll it back off an hour to go over. Yeah I'll keep going over it against odin Once and for all Teardry to unite the realms the real tear Everyone loved him and even he failed then we better not fail Or there will be no one left to try. This is Ragnarok and Odin's already had every blasted plan we have. Yes, we've lost the element of surprise More than that. We have only one way to asgard and it's not subtle. Go on It means we enter from tears temple here Asgard's wall is here Odin's host of ain harrier will hold the space in between Which means We need armies of our own as many as will answer the call Numbers odin won't see coming and that's just to reach the wall to breach the wall We'll need to find sata ratatosker was able to procure this The three of us will go I know just where to look splendid allies then who do we think we can get I'll venture to helheim try to recruit the army of the dead I'll return to alfheim to unite the elves But just like that unite the elves after centuries of war. Well, they really like me in alfheim And you to bet I'm yes to find seagrin and muster the free valkyries That goat has no army. No niefelheim. No yotenheim. That leaves only spartlefheim I'll go to spartlefheim Cindry Are you sure? I said, I'll go So be it Good luck to us all You said, you know where to look for surter. Yeah I unlocked the secrets in the shrine when I was in moose behind with thor thor Don't worry. He didn't see me going. That was not my worry Now look when we find surter We'll have to convince him to combine with his wife senmar combine Yeah When the two of them Join They'll create an enormous asgard destroy monster. Oh my Oh Also, by the way Wait, go ahead I was just saying I was it's kind of an appropriate reaction. Go ahead. Oh, yeah I also mentioned the son got Banned for playing that interview with the the I assume the Kanye alex jones one. I think Um Sitch and adam did that. I hope they're they're not going to get Clipped by it. I think a couple people are because uh, yeah, I only watched it on Sitch and adam show Yeah, it was a wild interview though. Whoo. Hopefully they can sneak by you never know with these things Especially if bigger content careers are going down for it. Yeah Be careful that but yes, um, obviously we're doing our Uh, we're mustering everything we have access to which is Not a lot especially as we just said which there were several Realms that don't even have anything for us to use mm-hmm But of what we have access to Uh, the valkyries seems like an obvious and relatively simple choice the um army of the dead Sounds at first a little more complicated But you do get uh information on exactly what happened to make that happen Which I don't think it would be considered a spoiler at this point to just say basically They're gonna try and make a deal with I hesitate to pronounce the name of the bird Errol sliggler or something I would need to see It's spelled out. Yeah, but yeah, I know which one you mean the deal is that uh She or it i'm not even sure can be replaced as the guardian of hell In exchange for this Which is the big fleam um grossling dealer And then sure Uh side mission if you take freya into Alfheim, which you could have done at this point She'll tell you that the reason freya is so Freya is so respected and loved in alfheim I'm paraphrasing your story, but basically he went there early on he was super drunk. He was messing around. He fell in the river of souls um I guess while it was still More dangerous. I think she said that he came out of it unharmed Uh, which basically convinced all of the elves on both sides that he's like a jesus type person And that any time he shows up they're just like they would worship the fuck out of him And that's what he's referring to when he says they like me Dip in the river of souls in god of war three just de leveled them to like Early game territory Yeah, we we turned out okay when we went to the alfheim one Maybe since we went into the river sticks it provided an immunity, you know from now on Ooh, that sort of thing. But yeah, so that's why there is a chance. He'll be able to do that with the elves That leaves uh, the most difficult job to kratos and atreus, which is recruiting serta Who you may remember from such properties as the marvel cinematic universe Big guy with a sword I have some doubts regarding negotiations with brassfelter in helheim I think he is that she may be more amenable to speaking with him. He could pronounce it better than me Mimir You need it or death is a skill now I suppose these two can survive a bit without me Bravo, you wouldn't mind very well many things We'll catch up with you later Hey, I think I can see serters forge in the distance I wonder if they saw their prophecy and decided to isolate themselves in their home realms to fight it Understandable I believe they'll understand why ragnarok needs to happen We need to be ready for serter in case he doesn't want to help us ready Prophecy says he and sin mara join who knows how they're gonna feel about it now You would try to force these primordial beings into submission Well, I don't know. You're truly my son I'm so proud of you son Yes, we can't win this war without them, right? We seek a fire giant Go away What just happened hey Good job, this would be the uh muskelheim track of fighting like the organ Is that oh wait or not that might have just been strings We're fighting clean There's a lot of fun music to fight to in this game That is serger. He's got a lock So that that was actually kind of interesting sort of just a bigger point about the music What I was hearing there was the lower strings. I think we're On the downbeat and the upper strings were on the upbeat So it almost sounded like an organ medley but a melody but um Yeah, I thought that was that was really interesting and then my brain put together that it was strings You know Yeah, who are you? Why won't you help us? Why won't you help us? I don't Want to elaborate Elaborate We'll die right because you've got so much to live for Not me her So what's the point of all this? You keep separate from sin mara just so you can sit here and wait to die At least if you joined with her You'd be together again We are together but her heart She's got mine. It's not much But it's enough But you're not even have you ever been in love? Pretty good. It's pretty good Yeah There's something about the way I'm trying to crack it because I've heard this guy talk so many times What is it that I like about it so much just like I think it's the casual way that he reads sentences the delivery. Yeah, it's so unique Very casual. It's yeah Like it this is a clear example of in very little time and having said very few things You already get a really good sense of who he is. He's the opposite of kang um He gives me a sense that he is incredibly old That he has seen a lot and very casual about just yeah, he's just moving through sentences Very obviously and honestly Pure charisma. Yeah, kind of yeah You uh, it's he's he's Draws a little little you get drawn in a little and yeah, I really like that line about love pretty good pretty straightforward If you knew that you wouldn't just want to die kid No, then we'll succeed And all realms save asgard will fall Yeah He must die It's true But I won't sacrifice her anymore than you would him Sorry wait That translated to kratos is such a like well, we're fucked then If what you just said is true. Yeah, okay No reason to even ask further By the way, this uh, this outfound wearing on kratos that is the Initial gear leveled up. Yeah. Yeah, and um, I get it to I think level eight before the game ends and it goes It has like a golden Cover and i'm curious if everyone whatever one thinks of the looks. I thought it was pretty cool I like I like seeing this a lot more than a lot of the other outfits. It seems like it fits him more Yes, that's exactly how I feel On the long play that we watched he had those goofy fucking blue scales on his arms the whole time Well, I didn't lashes with everything. I said to the people in my chat like they were like you're outfit Sovereign I was like, I don't it's not chosen because of the look. I wanted the stats No, I'm yeah, I'm saying that on this playthrough I get to go with looks but on You can transmog your armor when you have to fully leveled Oh really? Yeah, when it's on level nine, you can make it look whatever you want to And you can transmog it into anything in the game or just other things? I think the the things you bought Okay Yeah, I don't know the I haven't checked the extent if you have to upgrade everything because I think if You get the initial ones, of course But I think if you have the other ones upgraded you can use the upgraded looks as well So you can just transmog them when they're full leveled It's kind of neat. Good reason to have new game plus Yeah May I see them? Right I should say they're pretty cool They are none of these lads It's funny every God of War fan gets a little tingle in their balls whenever someone talks about the blades of chaos It's like whoop. Yeah, what are you gonna say? What do you want? What's the new information? Because we like these things a lot I want to know What could your monster? But I don't want her involved at all But the prophecy says you two have to combine sure this will work. What have I gone to a bit before? Yeah, get right to try it A little smirky did after it. Yeah Not here I said this on I said this somewhere else, but I really felt like he was waiting for craters to try it because the fortale Just like will you actually just try and stab me now? Are you gonna? Yeah, no stop Yeah, I think not here So design for Sutter is awesome I really like it. He's pretty cool He's even got a little like rock beard. What awaits us at this spark of the world? magic primordial stuff With your blades in my heart But what'll happen when you change? Don't know won't be me anymore But how will you or um future knew you? No one to attack asgard. You got the horn Right. Yeah Then we're good. So Here it is The spark of the world This is Beautiful. It really looks fucking cool as shit. I'll meet you across Yeah, this feels too easy. Who didn't knows we have yellow one He knows you have the mask After killing brock. He knows we would seek Sutter to start this war. Well, what other choice do we have none? He knows that too What about samara should we at least tell her no? It had hurt her too much more than not knowing what happened to you sometimes Loving someone is about Choosing The lesser pain that doesn't make any sense Promise you'll stay away from her you have a word Sorter you're stabbing you with the blades gonna be enough to create this new you Samara's heart is cold your dad's now got my fire in those blades If enough of me and the sparks fire go into enough of her Okay Come here This is hurt I assume i'm not crazy, but like the him giving away his fire made the ice from her heart spread further around him Uh, yeah, it looks like I got Yeah, I haven't compared the models, but I think I think that's what happened. Yeah I think so. Yeah, because it's kind of always on his shoulder there But it's not on his chest that much. I don't think Not typically I think this is gonna take That's a good frame We oftentimes have him at critical moments in fights activate rage to sort of win it out and just having him do it with his son mastering control of the bear Which was the one he hadn't cracked beyond the wolf and uh The I think is is there a kind of his achievement for versus the whole working together better together sort of stuff They're in sync father and son Yeah, good shit Something went wrong, but I think it's right now Also, we have ragnarok Oh my god, you hear that all we have to do is call him with gallow horn when we're ready The balkyries were a small step back, but I bet we've got odin worried now. He knows we're coming for him We're gonna show up to ask you by the way I got something to drink in between the that you talk about how he says i'll be your monster Oh, uh surta. Yeah, it's surta says that to kratos I think there's something about that in a journal entry as well, right? That choice might be Thank you right something about that to do with surta But yeah, there's no way you can't add that to all of the fucking dynamics involving everybody's turn towards becoming Worse versions of themselves. Thanks to previous violence. Yeah And uh, yeah, this desperation for the good guy is just grabbing this chill dude Who's just doing his thing and turning him into a giant monster will destroy an entire realm It just is a phrasing specifically like telling kratos that like i'll become your monster The thing he doesn't want to be for anyone anymore. Yeah, no, he has a monster for himself. It's like, ooh That's that's kind of spicy Odin won't stand a chance. We're gonna win Groh is right Groh failed to predict what we would sacrifice in return Maybe she could only see the big stuff This is gonna work, right? It must So you fought in a lot of wars, right? You've never had anything like ragnarok on your side. I have and the creature does not guarantee our victory right He's referencing the fact that he had an army of titans and they all got wiped out real easy Yep much to the disappointment of many god of war fans, but hey What happens all right the titans win a good idea the gods wiped them out historically Why'd you rig them back just to get wiped out again? You fools you should have just gone back in time to when Zeus was a baby and no no stepped on him. Oh, no That's what you do when you have time travel, right? That's the meme In babies. Yeah, I mean you're always quiet, but This feels different. I had hoped my days of ceaseless battles were over I had hoped to never see my son go to war I Father, I know we're doing the right thing Ragnarok has to happen the price we and others paid for this war is high It will only get higher. It'll be worth it. How did it go? And yes, my usefulness to a certain bani of nupti did run out Ragnarok awaits our call as do the armies of hell Thanks mostly to me. It seems war is upon us at last What else do you know of the mask only that it was the great passion of Odin's life He journeyed across Agia's burning ocean into the heart of the silent matron herself to find it Lost every man in his crew but to hear him tell it. It was worth all that blood and more I had a feeling you might pop in here You know, everybody's meeting in maid guard, right? I just wanted you to know if you need anything at all. I'll be around Either here or at brockon's injuries old shops Yeah, I know we're all busted up inside today, but You know, I don't like to keep busy Well This is it then The beginning of the end the ends for Odin and after that A new beginning for the rest of us Atreus, I know I'm just looking forward to seeing all the realms finally standing up to him Elves and dwarves and hell itself. You are so certain they will unite. They have to After everything they've been through They have to Don't they So sounds like things went well enough in moose behind. I mean Probably Sutter didn't want some more involved So instead of them combining to form the ragnarok beast He did a work around that left her out of it. Well Hopefully he still shows up at ragnarok to plunge his sword into the heart of asgard And where is that exactly? Only Sutter knows Brother about the oracles of your lands Would you say they manipulated events? Did they have an agenda? I do not doubt they held their own interests first But in my experience They could be easily fooled by their own prophecies Could that be a specific experience brother? Once I sought the oracle for a means to break my bondage to aries One priestess had visions that showed her olympus would be brought to ruin by the god of war Therefore she helped me Intending to undermine aries and protect her realm She did not foresee that I would kill him and take his office In the end I proved her vision of doom Correct So the oracle herself thought about the very future she hoped to avoid I suppose we're in fine company at that There's a lot of that in this game a lot of Oh story, I should say the uh, that's from one of the psp games. I forgot which one because I never tell them apart Someone said ascension reference Uh, is it ascension? I thought it was one of the psp ones The furies Well, no, you saw talking that's not the few the furies is going well I mean, you know the oracle would be the one who cursed him with the The ashes of his family like that that initially made him. Oh, he's met a lot of oracles You meet an oracle in athens in the first game Yeah, okay fair enough. So I think most people are saying ascension. So I assume it's ascension. Okay. Okay They gathered in their home realms waiting for when we blow gallerhorn I was kind of hoping to see some of them here when all the round towers open at once. We'll see plenty lot Odin won't believe what's coming for him. No Odin had lifetimes to prepare for this Whatever grows deception. He heard the truth as tear Do not underestimate him Rousing speech brother very inspirational. Valkyries look different. Welcome back. Hildespenian formed me of your success We've been planning accordingly Well, what would Ragnarok be without Ragnarok? Who else agreed to join us? I see the Valkyries Better than that. They are reborn Corporeal and uncorrupted thanks to no small amount of vanner magic Their shield maidens now nice and your brother. He came through The elves called a truce to unite against asgard That gives us an advantage by air and with hell's army for a vanguard What about sin tree will the dwarves fight? We haven't heard from him But there's time yet And I think we have what we need to clear a path for the Ragnarok beast Well, when you say it like that Why worry at all secret It's good to see you so Alive Oh Yes I wasn't myself the last we met I'm glad you're safe My queen the shield maidens will be divided among the forces breaching from alfheim helheim and here in midgard We stand ready Kratos the Treyas Amir Please excuse me. Oh Good night then Freya Have you determined our path out of asgard? If the towers are the way in we count on them being the way out And if they are not then we all know what we signed up for Our plan is only missing one thing A leader That honor is yours pretty much just to acknowledge what they are that there's a good chance. We're all dead Oh, yeah Might be a suicide mission one-way trip You have a righteous claim and the respect of your troops And you have faced this enemy before I held his invading army to a stalemate This is our invasion a siege on his terrain. I want our most experienced wartime general in the field I don't care about the honors. I don't care about the prophecies and champions. I just need us to win Freya, I know what I'm asking just Sleep on it Here we are Kratos your tent is to the right and a Treyas yours is to the left Mine a young warrior needs his own space. Don't you think? I do Wow Thanks Sleep on what we spoke of Let me know in the morning what you decide Yeah, so logistically, we're all set basically. Yep. That just lines up how everything's working We've got a bunch of foot soldiers in the form of undead people a bunch of flying people in the form of elves And then Ragnarok beast is going to show up hopefully And then whatever Sindri has maybe prepared we might have as well and the Valkyries And the Valkyries did they already tell the new name? Uh shield maidens. Shield maidens, yeah Excuse me. May I have a moment with my near? I don't know what tomorrow brings, but If tonight is our last night, I'd Like to spend it feeling something besides hate We have a tongue in two horns. Sorry There's nothing I'd like more Except perhaps a dance Do I may have lost a step Do you respect love? I don't tell silly stories You only tell silly stories I can never argue with you Once again, there's deliveries from uh Alistair Duncan. Um, mm-hmm and yeah, it's uh They almost set it a little bit there of just like It was awkward that he was like, oh we go we go in I guess no more talking And it's like no they they actually do because there's there's a lot of history those two have We got lots of pieces of it throughout both games Yeah, there's a whole side side quest uh about Seagrune Uh, you actually get some extra dialogue here, I think uh in the scene when you do it But I've completely forgot what it was Can I sleep here tonight? It's cold as fuh It's quiet your mind I can't tell you a story If I fall asleep Promise you'll finish it tomorrow close your eyes There was an old man who chopped wood for his village every evening he bore the logs on his back and delivered them to his people But the logs were heavy and he grew weaker as time went Just like Mahler's voice lulling my wife to sleep Wow out of context But um, yeah, there's lots I want to say about this so one of the things some people say is like What? What's the sleep with his why it's like, okay, so first of all you're gonna remember Number one that uh, Atreus and Kratos sleep in like the same room So to speak back in their little cabony place Just because he wants to be right next to and make sure he can But sometimes gods arrive and try to kill them. Uh, it's this thing that happens. Yeah So, uh, yeah, it's it's absolutely what they used to they're still at the point of you know Atreus trying to leave the nest so to speak under the do be his own man that sort of stuff But uh at the same time there's another factor He thinks he's gonna fucking die Yep Kratos thinks he's gonna fucking die This could be the last time they get to spend anytime. That's not just fighting other people basically, uh Super super meaningful super super important The thing Atreus says before this gets started up when he's like, oh, I can I can help you sleep by telling Your story as you got to finish it tomorrow As if to imply like There's gonna be time to finish this story Between now and when we wake up and go fucking die in a war Like if it's like a hopeful comment almost and then what's the story about pretty simple Guy carrying logs gets all tired and then wishes for death to come Um, what do you what do you think what do you think Kratos is trying to say with this? Kind of I think from god of war three Up until now He's he's he's kind of Not exactly pushed away the idea of just actually dying Yeah, it's pretty much. He's had a pretty rough life and um We will get more But I think it's super meaningful that Sort of sort of speak in universe in real time His story is cut short because Atreus has fallen asleep But he's story is cut short at the moment of him saying when death arrived And and the story is about how the guy was motivated to call for death When death arrived and then he looks down and is interrupted by Atreus having fallen asleep the idea there. I think that we're supposed to grasp already Is that Atreus is the thing that's making him hesitate on on the thought of death. Yeah, which is already Pretty fucking meaningful and uh, we haven't even gotten the the the next half of this story of which we will get I suppose it's worth pointing out is there's a comment on the uh prior stream You can guys go find it about how it's pretty neat that such a an important payoff Is a father telling his kid a bedtime story Mm-hmm It's pretty fucking cool to have in something that's this popular this Level of mainstream like that's that's awesome Upset you is a natural part of life my love. I wish only to be prepared for when my time comes Immortals must do such things I am glad to have you prepare with me You're quiet. I have nothing to say well Say something I enjoy hearing your voice a funeral fire. I would have chosen different Oh, I loved ones You would have me trapped in the ground for eternity I would have you close to me Our touching my rotting corpse would bring you such comfort We once tried to take charge of your ending. Did you know that was different? Circumstance, yes But not on purpose with distant future There is much time ahead of us. I wish to better a future But will exist without me Whenever that day comes For you And for our son, we will always walk together kratos You will always be a part of me I will always be a part of you And when you were gone that part of me dies as well to feel your absence Culmination of love is grief And yet we love Despite the inevitable We open our hearts to it when the pyres And when you have gathered my ashes Spread them from the highest peak in all the realms You will do this for me deeply Is to have loved fully Open your heart to the world as you have opened it to me and you will find every reason to keep living in it We're pausing there Yeah Well, there you have the yeah, so she only gets three scenes in that excellent and critical Yes Because now we got the final part of those Little seeds that have been peppered through these little little flashbacks scenes dream sequences, whatever you want to call them Because uh, I don't remember the The order in which they came but the one was oh, we need to look we need to take response We don't need to do something only if it when it comes to us We can prevent it before that happens if we have the power And uh, yeah, this is obviously hey if you Look around has plenty to live for you don't you don't need to be so So negative basically all the time. That's like one of the things, uh She said as well The way about it, um the the three put together are all like foundational Uh, as we said seeds that she planted that he's come to understand and realize like throughout the 2018 game on this one the first being Help beyond yourself the second yeah being um Your past doesn't define your future And you're the third being a double whammy of Loved ones when lost are still with you and that Is uh almost accentuated by the grief you feel from how hard you love them which How could it not align with everything he went through in the original trilogy? Why why was he so fucking angry? Why did he kill everything because he loved his wife and kids so much? um and then of course Uh the fundamental we just got it a big scene before that one about how he's considering Very seriously for a long time killing himself or at least not preventing his own death and Clearly that's something he shared with her He would have shared everything with her by the looks of things and he's trying to explain to him that all he needs to do is Basically love again despite the fact that he knows it can end in horrors and pain because That's the price you pay kind of beautiful And uh, well is is is everything you need now to understand the full conviction It was had from original trilogy guy to guy at beginning of 2018 and we've had everything To explain us from then to now as well All of these lessons that he's come to understand They were all put in his head from an early point on when he was just this raging psycho who wants to be left alone He's pretty much become a much more fully well-rounded person And look look around us in the storyline. How many people do we now know and trust? Yep, it's it's gone so far beyond just him and just him and his wife just him and his son Just him his wife his son and some blacksmiths now we're involving so many people and What are we trying to do as well save realms? Um, and we're we're yet to get the bigger payoffs for all of this as well. It's still not quite done Yeah You get even more of that in side quests again Obviously those are not all in here because then we wouldn't be halfway through This coverage. No, um, but in I think it's in vanaheim. I think might be If you go around with Freya and do the uh, the Freya shrines though that that weird glowy shrine That Freya has oh where where she got married to Odin Is it those ones you're talking about? No, no, no, no, uh, and no wait, it's an alfime. It's not vanaheim It's an alfime. Okay in the in the desert areas with the with the doggo sleds in the sand uh, their crater says Says something. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm doing these things now helping Putting up this monument again because Freya basically says why are we doing this now? Like these haven't been on for like Centuries basically for for a very long time. It's like, oh, it's just We can we can put around some some seeds. So maybe these two Elven factions can become one together in the future and make this like a little the jellyfish Right like the big giant jellyfish. There's one of the parts. It's like the whole side questing is basically Making the realm a bit better even though it's probably not going to do anything for the war itself Yeah, yeah Well, yeah, and honestly, I think that and the crater is also that like the dragon's in the crater and Gameplay wise. I think those were kind of my favorite parts of the game But point being at some point Freya asked why we why we've been doing this and credit says Oh, yeah, my wife told me if you put some seeds down and people have to think about if to want it To have it right here. We can do just so much. We can't just tell them Hey, make peace. We have to pepper some seeds around and then we just have to hope they come around and realize they've been not doing the right thing and the same thing has now happened to Kratos because Faye has put down these seeds when they first met and now everything is growing Basically, and yeah, here we are as is worth mentioning. She Is not some angelic character that provided him all of the Anthos needed she was going through Basically the same thing we find out the As a point of revenge damaged an entire group of people in an attempt to fight Thor And that's what the axe was made for and it didn't go well and It gives a very different understanding to the liner. We're not our mistakes And yes, she's working on herself and Kratos, but she also knows because she's a giant exactly when she's gonna die And clearly that was the scene or we saw the flashback when she finally told Kratos and then try to explain to him like, you know, when I'm gone You don't lose the different motivations you've gained from having met me to do different things Which is pretty much echoed with him in Atreus in Helheim Pretty much the same thing And uh Kratos after all these experiences. He's really coming to make this a part of his operation instead of just arguments. He's heard Yeah, and that takes time as well. It was like matter of said The seeds were planted but in terms of fully coming to appreciate those lessons It's kind of now that it's all starting Uh slot in place What's going on It is time. I'll meet you outside father Sir go put that game face on We'd hope to fly into battle with you one more time like me Me too But not as your queen The sisters are you ready? Yes It will be an honor to fight alongside you. Hi brother I'll be right by your side So What are your orders you have seen sentry? Yeah He ain't in a good place right now But who is i'm sorry lunda I know you and bra just tell me you're gonna get odin Tell me whatever it takes. You're not letting that bastard walk away from this You will not damn bright And if in the process you happen to tear him a bucketload of new holes in places. He don't want them I'll be rightly obliged Historically, you should ask him the right guy General yeah, sir general General sir Hey, bud, uh general lands to escape my past To start a new life. I can hide no longer I do not want this war. We have suffered enough Prophecy did not lead us here Nor will it win this battle Wars are won by those that are willing to sacrifice everything that is the cost of vengeance So be it odin has taken so much from us already The realms have suffered enough No matter the cost this ends Today I'm going out in blaze of glory means odin earns two As well be a big fat smile on my face Well somewhere uh, yeah, it's real epic I didn't feel comfortable interrupting it. I'm sorry. It's just too good I like a lot about how it was staged too like I think having it be in What's effectively an empty hall like an empty dark hall It kind of had it almost seemed like a stage play Like it was like they were you know delivering monologues in a spotlight And it makes some sense that that building's been shut down since the end of the last game and Yeah, they're coming back there and then all the spectacle starts. I like that it was pretty mellow in the way it was shot what was uh I guess to try and go from the beginning the the speech he gave involved like Uh acknowledgement that he's been desperately trying to avoid war no matter what almost out of a Sense of fear of what's going to come as a result of it But seemingly he's come around to the idea that like Uh, not addressing it would be worse Um, and there's time to take charge and that People need a leader, right? That's what it's uh coming into being a general um but also Was a one by those who are willing to sacrifice everything and freya followed up with saying at whatever cost so Interesting to consider those against what critter said earlier about grower's prophecy said did she Did she you know know what it would cost us? Uh, that's that's gonna be coming up very soon at this point, but Yeah, uh Something that makes this so heavy or at least helps is that tears temple in the 2018 game. It's such a Heavy and gradual almost laborious process to be able to move between realms And it's something that not many people can do and you need lots of materials to be able to do it and uh opening each doorway Is like an important element and we haven't been here like was said since the end of the 2018 game Um at least in that room And so having this horn and it's already been set up exactly what it does Uh So then comboing that up with the fucking theme Nice and slow revealing each of the doors lighting up All at once this time And then knowing that the idea is that we all need to take on asgard and odin the Pretty sufficiently epic as well as kratos Reasonably at this point in the story getting to the point of leading all of these realms on these people into war That uh particular track like that section is my favorite piece of music in the whole game Yeah, I can see that. It's pretty darn good um So, yeah, it's uh, it's wartime folks and See how it turns out And if odin goes after nipple hand next you're trying to shut out reagan you gotta stop those war machines Not an ideal start we got work to do you three power Trance with me watch our flecks The war machines So before I let it continue I just think it's uh, it's a neat way to start that we have you get more information on how Ingrid ended up here and what the nature of that sword and frair is is to do with like some Declaration that he'd only ever give the sword if it was uh, he met a woman that he felt like head over heels in love with and odin created like a Think it either he turned into that woman himself Or he created one or something but basically tricked frair into believing Someone was real and so got the sword basically through that Uh, so he's gotten it back. You can find that I can't remember where but it's it's in the game um And then yeah, having it be that uh frair is really happy to see the elves Of you know united and are attacking and then do you see his reaction like when a whole bunch they've got blasted by Thor? like I don't help but assume he's feeling a little like Fuck like I got all these people here And they're all gonna get fucking killed and so I just like that he that prompts him to grab the sword and he's he's going ham he's uh getting stuck in And then of course, yeah, you've got everyone's here basically the towers are open But they're getting attacked by the war machines. We saw set up by odin earlier the dwarves created for him The elves are attacking from above and Thor's already trying to wipe them out We got the army of the dead are going to be just running forward basically and uh the first Probably most important thing is to knock out those war machines before they knock out the towers that provide the armies basically Mm-hmm Oh, yes, you're letting the music play Of course It's really good Just try and get a sense of what they're trying to capture with this music. Yeah, exactly as it keeps going it starts to get more and more Downbeat like tragic yeah Tempo's very slow too. It's like 50 beats a minute Not what you'd expect for a massive epic fight, but it really works Yeah, Skolan Harsier here Yay As well as Fenrir This sequence is you could call it a set piece For almost something of an interactive cutscene, but because You are actually still doing the combat in the game. I I really prefer it a lot to the tap-ex to progress I just The war is happening all of the logistics are in place We're a part of it with we're dealing significant damage to a lot of their forces And this is lots happening in the backgrounds as well like in that somewhere you can see like the urban gander of the floor fighting and thirder fucking shit up. It's like Busy it gets busy Destroying barge is for the supposed destination is better than nothing Was that it was Odin's new valkyrie queen is gone off I would think so But we must hurry For Midgard, you'll keep going busy at least sound eager good We are running out of armies We'll check the giant giants made it after all This nick looks different. He is different But when I was away, uh Uh, never mind lit the a and harrior's link to balhalla. My sisters and I must separate go Still no sign of the dwarfs the injury won't let us down. We have to trust him Rally all you can we will make for this funnel fun tower Yeah, uh, so if you're paying attention we've lost Any more elves we've only got what we have now and uh The army of the dead is locked off as well which leaves basically all of the major components that manage to get into their towers respectively It's not looking great But the main goal of course is to breach the the walls floor and then get in and uh Solve the mask plot line stop odin probably bump into thaw And then facilitate Ragnarok being surter's arrival. But of course right now it seems that surter isn't arriving She'll be fine. We got more important things to worry about even if we can't reach the wall Better for who the dwarves are here way to go sin tree. Ah, it's just sin tree Delightful odin's infinite I know i'm late. Where is your army? No more dwarves are dying for this Save it Odin forced them to build those war machines And i'm here to tear them down Before you break them you must turn them on the floor Leave it to the dwarves to clean up after the giant Pretty interesting line Yeah This wall was built by hermthir right hermthir i think who was a giant And yeah, just leave it to the dwarves who Canonically throughout all of this just build everybody's fucking armor weapons and technology And are abused turned into like a a community that's just Basically taken advantage of by everybody. It's just this this rage coming out of sin tree is uh It's almost just like an unheard voice throughout the whole thing of uh, yeah What what is the deal with the dwarves which in a funny way almost as the dwarves seem to be the most thriving out of all of them But only if they concede to literally every last whim that odin has That's the reality. It's not a it's not a fun one. And so um Yeah, all you have to infer is that sin tree's got knowledge and access Thanks to what the dwarves likely had a hand in considering Uh durlin doesn't seem to exactly be very pro odin and he seems to also somewhat like be pretty Into these war machines creation. So Yeah bloody time he showed up Yes, this is gonna be a lot happening all at once. I'm trying to Get to lots of different things. Uh So that was probably something they had built in as a failsafe Yeah purpose to let I would say so these machines were devastating The good guy's side and they've all fallen apart that quickly. It's They must have been something that they would have had planned for that And uh, that is worth putting up as well The hammer that sin tree is using is the one that brock was using in this game as well well before um And I have it I haven't checked but I have it on good authority That it is the hammer you got for brock in 2018 game when you put you on and vari's quest So it's just carrying forwards all these details to make it that much more meaningful When this scene happened is when I was like, oh, I feel like I might end up liking the sin tree stuff after all um Lot of a lot of people just fell over who seemed to be operating those machines Yeah, let's uh, see what happens next More or less what you wanted I didn't want this Close your heart to it Close your heart my guardians Odin took them in They shouldn't be here They're not soldiers Odin put them in our path to die It's war Or is there one by those who are willing to sacrifice Everything what are you doing? And you must never sacrifice that never not for anyone do this offering your mother's wish to face Can we do You see the sides of that thing I think we're gonna win Why have you stopped? Ragnarok is here. We finally have Odin right where we will stop Odin But we did not come to sacrifice the innocent We will breach the wall at Rimbos floor With what army? Petraeus and I will be enough it may be But we will die seeking justice Not vengeance Can that weapon break over the floor only one way to find out you three Get those people to safety wherever you can find it. We'll see you dummy Prey and I will do what we can to Slow Ragnarok Who was not mindless before See if he will listen to reason Odin will not get away if he does I will help those that are trapped And reach you at the fall Go Go atreus We have lost to talk about Yes So everything good that any of these characters do is because of Ingrid from here on out Oh, well that that Ingrid save. Yeah So that pays off pretty much almost everything for Kratos' big arc that he's had from the beginning of 2018 to now The close your heart to it stuff it starts out as a message relating to How you can make it through a harsh and violent world Where you take care of yourself and you don't entertain much beyond your enemy other than kill them This is uh reflected in many encounters And as the games go on we get to learn more and more about the people we're fighting and how much more complicated the situation is And we get several references and this is what Kratos has been alluding to many times over about the cost of the war and when he's Bigging up his his army to go to war he says you sacrifice everything and it's something that resonated with atreus almost immediately along with close your heart and um the The line from frail at any cost and we we blow up these machines, which is a great boon to our side Uh, it's gonna make surta pretty much unstoppable But why are the people screaming and why is atreus upset? What's happening aren't those like what's the deal here with them? And then atreus says like they were they were rescued they weren't soldiers they They're just people And then kratos starts putting it together. It's like oh because this is what odin does But it's innocent people in the way of you trying to stop him from doing awful things so that you become A horrible person by trying to beat him At any cost, right? Yeah, that's uh, this is it. This is the breaking point. No not at any cost enough the Every every decision he ever makes is at any cost usually But he's uh, he's putting a stop to it this time And of course when atreus is like well, how do you do that? It's like well, he's reordered everybody as a good general would to Get the civilians out of the way slow down surta so that we have enough time to get in and sort our shit out before as god is done so basically And uh, yeah the fact that uh E and the elves are gonna now try and get people out through whatever portals are available. Um It's just representative of a significant change in operation You might even say he has made a choice here to change his nature That's in a significant way um, yeah, and Odin pretty much put these people there as soon as he Knew that shit's about to hit the fan for him if I recall correctly Because we when when we first see them arrive here, they're still building up their little huts and everything so they just moved here Uh, yeah, you can see them building it. He's uh, yeah, so it's a very recent thing that happens And it's very calculated because it's a piece of shit Um So someone I wanted to read uh, it was from the the previous stream since it's now relevant I'm gonna read the whole thing and I'm gonna talk about it. All right. It's a grievance. Someone has with this scene Oh, okay. Okay. Go for it Be right back door. Sorry carry on I still don't like the open your heart scene at the end of the game because when kratos said at the first time He had just battled boulder and detraeus said he understood killing animals for food and drauga that were already dead But what about people? In response kratos says close your heart to it on our journey will be attacked by all manner of creature Close your heart to their desperation close your heart to their suffering do not allow yourself to feel for them They will not feel for you This was proven later when atreus had just killed a cannibal reaver who wanted to kill and eat him with no empathy or remorse for His child victim kratos saw the horror and guilt on atreus's face and he said close your heart to it as a reminder of what he said All of this was beautiful in a growing up moment as atreus is uh being prepared for manhood and facing the world by a rational protective and competent father All good fathers know that it's their job to keep their kids grounded and realistic so they can make it through life I love these moments until the writer's a ragnarok strawman the first game with that scene atreus said i know i know close your heart to it Meanwhile i was yelling at the screen saying no you idiot those are random civilians not people attacking you like in the first game kratos go remind your retarded son what you said Then kratos comes opens his mouth and says no i was wrong open your heart to them at that point i'd lost it I was like these writers just character assassinated kratos and ruined the best moment from the first game And butchered the context of the quote with their low IQ potato brain revisionist historian So uh I want to I want to Resist anyone's anyone's interest in being like wow. What a crazy wrong person I I think it's fair. I think that they've come to a conclusion that is understandable I think they're missing a few bits that turn it from What seems like a potential fail or character assassination to what I would argue is kind of genius um kratos isn't Incorrect in the first game where he says when shit attacks you don't try to go like oh man I feel bad for you When it's like at your throat or whatever That shit keeps you alive and that's what his primary goal is at that point The thing is it's it's only a slight variation on a lot of what he's operated on in his whole life It's not like in the original games uh The people who he's killing were like Not trying to kill him a lot of the time a lot a lot of it is that uh Even I I wanted to highlight before with some people that he even resisted killing herra One of the the first examples of him being like, you know what maybe I won't But uh, she kind of goads him a little further and then he goes for it now the context of these Cannibals coming after you Close your heart to them is more so in reference to the act of killing a human being as opposed to understand the plight of the cannibal Uh, that's not what this game is suggesting What's happening in this scene you have to bear in mind because I have a feeling You may have forgotten The mid guardians are indeed innocent But they are soldiers in a war right now Uh, you can argue they were placed there by odin and therefore They don't count the same as a cannibal trying to eat you for his own I don't know starvation But the fact is like kratos had to clarify with atreus who these people are because why are you reacting the way you are They're attacking us. They manned the machines. They were trying to you know prevent our efforts to Stop odin's the whole plan And atreus is trying to point out like, oh, yeah They are the enemy. They are trying to kill us. I need to close my harks It's going to prevent me from doing what needs to be done, which is winning the war And we do that by any cost and that's the the nature in which you achieve that is by closing your heart It makes you stronger at being able to push through But kratos is finally realizing You know that doesn't actually account for all situations Is a lot of this is pretty much a hypothetical brought to life What if the soldiers you are fighting Are literal civilians that were dropped in place under the promise of being kept alive and told to man machines and press buttons Until good things happen And you rush in there as they are enemy combatants. So I kill them You can do that and it'll keep you safe But maybe there's more to it Maybe realizing that these guys are just people who have been dropped in place by a fucking psychopath that wants to use them for that Very reason Prompts you to have a little bit extra on this advice Maybe you shouldn't close your heart to your enemy open your heart and understand Their motivation their intentions and their consequences of their actions their nature rather than their form I think it's perfect as a final development of kratos is sort of advice for survival and it dovetails perfectly as a Opposite to god of war three where he annihilated his enemies At the cost of everything and the whole civilization was destroyed Meanwhile here Why that he operates now instead of just bringing about destruction he can sort of be an agent Well, not even sort of he can be an agent for good Yeah, this isn't killing civilians who are running for their lives and collecting their health orbs this is Realizing that your enemy combatants Really aren't as guilty of their position As you'd imagine And maybe they could be offered something a little more than just death Even though you wouldn't be considered an evil person for offering them that And this is playing on this wide battlefield among the realms But think about what I just said in terms of the next encounter kratos is about to have in a significant way an enemy That maybe if you offer some more understanding and complexity to the issue you could kill them Or you could try something else If you maybe open your heart instead of close it off Um, so Like I said, I I think I get how you got there But I still don't think that's what's happening and I think they made it pretty clear these guys Have been paying close attention in terms of referencing their own scenes And a lot of it comes back around as a loop When kratos gave the advice about close your heart in the original or in the 2018 game I don't think at the time he was being told about the potential of an innocent civilian group being forced to man machines They didn't even understand to fight a war. They didn't want to fight And so his advice is insufficient Pretty good. It's not quite full So, um, yeah, that would be my time and it's why I quite adore this scene and it's important It takes place here at the climax of a significant decision in the battle And I like that freya has a sense of pushback But she doesn't follow through despite having said earlier at any cost And it's because of that side mission that we told you guys about She's the queen of asgard These people are as guardians at this point You're just gonna let them all die because they're in your way Or you're gonna fight for them. You're gonna do something for them And this is why I think she's willing to take the break as well on the Sort of pinpoint focus on odin Don't be like him. Well, I was about to say because odin would do anything he at any cost, right? It doesn't matter as it's all about his ultimate aim. You don't want to be like him though. You want to be better, right? Yeah, so That's why I just I just think the scene is so fucking on point And it's this climax of the battle where a significant decision takes place and it's so cool The role of general is not arbitrary He gives his orders before and after and the the after ones are so controversial And yet everyone follows because that's the role he was given and accepted And it's time I guess to see the results of that decision Yes Zendry be careful and stay behind me. You be careful. I'm here to fight Zendry don't let him control me You Yes, you get to play as the bear Yeah The amount of risk trained The the makers of this game had they could have just put that in As a as a second transformation you could choose like another another rage mode or whatever No, do you you first you see him? I mean it goes through all the whole game right like in the beginning. He's just going on an absolute rampage He just kills another bear as no control. We don't even know what's going to happen and Kratos has to just Bring him out of it Literally like he puts him in the fucking catalog of the bear and it's like shit. That's a trails. What's going on Then a second time we see it. He fucking knocks out Zendry And goes away and both times he doesn't even remember that happened And needs to be told that's happening Then the third time is when we fight the Valkyries and there we don't even get to play us As the bear he's just using it. He's like the he's a finisher out of desperation Finish out of yeah, exactly with his dad to defeat the enemies But like I would say it's worth mentioning the wolf progression too, right because like what he's referencing when he says I've got to stay in control This is everything he learned with angrobota in iron which is by the way, not a worthless part Stuff in there that's useful to the story And yeah, she talked about She talked about bringing the bear out or bringing the wolf out with A particularly strong emotion that doesn't have to be rage and that maybe those emotions can lead you back to some level of control And of course the motivator here is Sindri's in trouble Exactly which dovetails pretty well with one of the last times he brought out the bear was It attacked Sindri now. It's and I think I think there's something there for Sindri go ahead Ha ha ha like watching the bear You know chop these two guys in half in front of him Yeah, it's pretty pretty great. Uh, very good job with those transformations What you want to thank you no, I just want I don't care what you want this changes nothing You really had me believing you that we didn't have to be enemies dude You're okay. My mom was right about you all along You're a killer just like your father and you're here to kill us all no just Odin I got the best things She's a friend Friends don't bring the end of the world to each other You're right, you're right I made some bad decisions. You do that a lot. I'm not sure that's a defense. It's not a defense I just want to make it right It's gilder. Okay. Have you seen him? Why wouldn't he be? What are you talking about? Odin is willing to sacrifice some of the guardians. He put them along the wall to try and deter us knowing they can't fight Their deaths are just meant to slow us down Why would he do that and how am I supposed to believe you? because He's right It's who Odin is It's who he's always been Mom, where are you here? What? He'll sacrifice anyone at a problem of one of him The main guardians Your friend Our family any of us I'd hope that your father would stand up to him, but now It has to be you Mom, what are you saying? I never doubted that you would make the finest valkyrie These realms have ever seen But not for him Do you understand our family without Odin? We can be one again A real one what he's doing is wrong Held our ground. We'd be safe He said we owed him you don't own your death No, shit All back Yes Dad will never let them get their grandfather Then go with him He'll listen to you Are you ready to go find the rest of your people? Yeah So yeah, this is all Super purposeful, right? So you have this war is happening So the whole family realized at this point This is the reckoning that's been long time coming and it's the one chance to maybe actually make the difference Sif with everything she's seen so far knows Thor can't do it Thor isn't the one to take down Odin So now she's trying to encourage all the other components to work toward either convincing Thor to do it or to just work together to take down Odin themselves And what is Sif doing during this? She's she's trying to get the midgardians out and yeah, so Yeah, you you have this location sort of being Brute realizing that which which side's gonna be fine on as if just took the the opportunity to explain like yeah It's all true Odin's a piece of shit So now If we can get through the gate the big problem is probably going to be Thor I love you mom. I love you too. This is all us The great lord It's where we got to go Fight is mine, but if I could just take the trace in the mask and do not look back My son trusts you So I trust you when you're a son They're family cab no more fucking games and this time I'm allowed to kill you Rematch Yeah, baby We do It's what we use egg would have been my ear holes What I like about this game Is that it's It's got a lot of meaningful things to say But it's still also got these really cool battles. Yeah, really epic things Like it's It's so uh, it's it's so cool Like that's it's such a cool game And it is um same track you play against him in the first fight, but it's remixed now that gets a bit heavier and more erratic as it goes on So Again, what for you just said but now details how fucking cool was all of that he Wrapped the blades of chaos around Mjolnir Thor in response electrocuted him down the chain into kratos kratos then yanked it so hard He pulled Mjolnir off him and then wrapped it around and pulled himself over to him to stab him with the other blade This is just two gods of the highest of their power just fucking up each other. It's so awesome Yeah, and yeah to get him off him. Thor did the equivalent of spot and rage Yeah spot and I like well, I guess thunder rage Arraige Probably pain on gimme go to war I can imagine Oh That fight don't give me go to war probably an absolute pain I mean honestly, it's not too different from a moveset standpoint from the first fight with Thor So it kind of feels familiar. It's sort of like um Because of the when you fight the first boss of dark souls three again towards the end of the game. Sorry So epic It's fantastic All right, this part here Rain So cool My son calls her friend if you try to hurt her what I've done. Yes Why isn't he dead? Are you talking? Who told you to do that? You don't talk You don't think I think you kill It's a simple fucking concept What is this are you broken? I am your father take the hammer and kill who I tell you to kill I did not Want this rude This was all their fault They've done this to us to our family. Looks like I gotta do everything around here Oh Still angry about that What a great character And right there at the end He is about to start the arc that kratos went on and odin robs him of the opportunity Fucking stabs him that more fucker It is tragic. Yeah It pisses me off in the best way that media could well because it's what happened there Drop the hammer or yeah media realized that thaw was no longer under his control And the immediate reaction is well, I got to get rid of him Because if I don't troll him he can't be around if he's of no use to me He can't be of any use to anyone Exactly as in like I will I need him to not be of use to anyone Yeah, and then in in classic odin fashion through season. It's like it's their fault They did this to us. Yeah, and like right after stabbing thaw like and he's smart enough to know. Well, that's not working Fuck you too Yeets her away. We're almost three million. He lies Yeah, he's he's more than used to it, but he's also perceptive enough to know when it's not working. It's like Shit, um, yeah, but yeah, kratos doing the fucking chattiest move ever Looking at thaw holding me all near above him the framing they had where kratos has just captured inside thaw pretty much And he's the one who's like We stop now. We're done. That's it. Yeah, we're done. We don't have to do this And like every last fucking line from thaw and both the first and second fights and different pieces throughout just about how much He is what he is. There's no changing it. There's no point in changing it. Don't think about it. Just do it Don't feel just You know what we are. This is what we're here to do. One of us dies Yep And like you don't know me don't try to appeal to me. You don't know who I am But kratos does know who he is We've spent so much time in the 2018 and this game finding out about what thaw has done But really do they Batch up with the kill count kratos has I don't even know and that's why this is so fucking beautiful Critis is talking to his old self. Yes, exactly He's trying to give someone who's going for the same thing The same kind of chance of redemption that he's going through right now trying to change and yeah Odin robs him of it immediately The the thing that works for thaw is making an appeal to Uh, his daughter essentially is like you need to be better for the sake of the people that you care about That's like the thing that's going to work for thaw. That's like what he needs Yeah, because kratos knows that would work for him. That's what it worked for him around Yeah, and I mean we've seen through a lot of interactions, right like Thor cares about his family He is upset about the deaths of his sons and he is concerned about the fate of his daughter Or what it may be that's the thing to appeal to is to preserve Yeah, his family and it worked and that's why and then odin killed him because he couldn't let him It was so genuine too when he reached for her when he's dying like yeah That man liked his daughter a lot and it was what was going to be able to pull him out but uh, yeah odin snatched it away because Obviously thaw's only going to get in his way if he can't be his his hammer And yeah, uh, I fucking love uh richard shifts expressions Depending on what thaw says Is this moment where he clearly clicks as to like ah I gotta kill you then Yeah Well, and I mean it's deliberate that we don't see thaw's face when he says no it's all on odin's reaction Yeah, because it's the it's the first time he stood up to his father Yep It's like are you broken? I take the hammer man kill who I tell you to kill that's that's been the dynamic this entire time thaw Is a monster for what he's done just like kratos was But uh, we understand why it happened. It doesn't need to keep happening. You can change your nature You don't like thinking you say that all the time That's it and uh I think just just before which is this is the thing they're running all kinds of different comparisons arcs and parallels And this was one they hadn't done which is what if At the point of realization It gets snuffed out Like it's uh, this is why when people were saying like I hate how the happy ending of the game or whatever It's like hey, what do you mean? Uh happy ending. That would be nice I say God killer Was this everything you hoped for was your plan really? All that much better than mine? I hope you got exactly What you want Not quite yet Think you're the only one who can craft a binding spell I spent Many long winters Thinking about what I would say to you As I watched you take your last Uh, but now I realize there's only one thing I need you to know You have no hold on me anymore And that's my friend. I forgot how could you luck with wings? Oh husband You always sought knowledge. Well Now I'm going to teach you what it's like to lose everything Bow to your queen I always loved you, you know, you've never loved anyone I'm gonna pause there Do it spot and lots of cringe and chat already as expected Oh most Nobody'll they can't like understand it. So they'll just be like it's horrible Like why is she saying anything that she's saying? Go on. Give a guess She is the queen of asgard correct That's a good start mark. Honestly. That's literally the queen of asgard Let's start out with the literal correctness of the statement. We can begin there So, uh, what is what is freya's story up to this point? It's like, oh, yes Odin destroyed every aspect of her life and whittled her down to almost nothing And she's spent the entire game regaining portions of her life until she's finally got him at her whim Uh, it's funny. Some people were like she sounds kind of evil in this speech. Yes She's incredibly vengeance driven right now. She's pretty much explicit This has been something she's been wanting to do forever And she says like she's so much as says at the beginning of her speech She wants to cause him pain. She wants him to understand what it's like to lose This is her villainous speech to an extent. She's obviously trying to just Exact vengeance, which isn't exactly necessarily a bad thing in every single circumstances. The point is she's uh She's not exactly doing this out of like the pure justice of removing the bad that is odin She's very fucking angry at this man Kind of makes sense. Uh, this is the first opportunity. She's had to actually do something this time last time obviously she had to Brian save brock's life uh to no avail. So Yeah, she she she says Basically all of the things that regard like why she would do all of this and It's funny to me that everyone points out the bow to your queen moment when Nobody takes issue with the fact that odin placed them with a magical spell To the point where they're essentially dealing to him Like do you get it? It's a power play with odin Everything is he has to be in charge. She's finally got him in a binding spell with a charged object He was using in in trying to search for knowledge She's got one on him. He had like fucking whatever many on her She broke them all with the help of sigran kratos and fimble winter And all the vanya magic she had access to she gets one on him that doesn't even fully work By the way, as you can see she fucks it up or he fucks it up however you want to look at it. Um She has one opportunity to tell him to bow and she takes it I don't know man. It's pretty fucking awesome. Maria. Have you considered that you might be a simp? Well, the thing is i'm a simp to all of the characters as far as i'm concerned Mahler is a soy confirmed. Let's go. I just don't get it sometimes like Is it just we cannot have a scene where a woman tells a man to bow? No, there's no context Necessarily inherently women are cringe It's um and her opening them wings to show him. She's free Yeah Cool fuck And like of course he says the response like ah Yeah, you always look so good with wings because he's still a fucking viper with words He knows exactly how to piss someone off. I mean response. She straggles him again Yeah, Odin's uh, not so easy to talk down to um, he's just into choking It just looks like he's dragging it more. Um, I think she has been destroyed and damaged thoroughly throughout the entire games This is the first proper win. She's had against her fucking hyper abuser Yeah, and people like yeah, but Odin's the king. She can't do that to him It's like okay brains have been poisoned a little bit They need to cleanse themselves of this infection that's rotting their minds. You need to fucking chill Try and be a bit more god forbid. I say objective I just this is what I mean like it doesn't I don't understand. I never do but it's fine That's that's the that's the story as I saw it. It was a great payoff for Freya's Entire journey. I don't even see how it could be seen as anything else There's a couple more things for her to have happened, but this was a big moment as well Um, but don't worry. She didn't kill Odin. I know everyone was panicking Because that would have made the story bad automatically But luckily for you that's the one minus two out of ten at least You guys you guys are gonna have a rough ride on saturday, by the way Consider this foreshadowing I've got no fucking clue I don't even think I have a clue. I know Maybe I'm lucky I'm gonna hit die before that. I don't know It's gonna hit me like a freight train and I'm ready for it or so. I think Freya train like a freya train Father you did it Loki No, no, no no more fighting. No None of that matters now This is your moment, Loki Roa tried to hide you from me, but this is your destiny champion of the Yotanar Only he can put on the mask Only he can gaze into the truth of creation Unfold the secrets of life and death no more doubt no more confusion You were born for this Loki ask it Ask it the question This is your choice, son. What was it all for? You choose to be nothing No, man, it's just it's that's that's what it is. He's now What what was it all for? Yeah Damn, yeah, man. That's that's a good question to be asking at this point Because I mean it's like he said right no more doubt no more confusion. That's like his goal He just wants certainty about the future He doesn't like the uncertainty of existence of life And so like he's determined at any like cost to be able to know that Um, which has led to all this and now well, yeah, what was all this for all this destruction The obliteration of asgard all of these things that he's done What was the point of it now that that's been stolen from him totally locked away forever You got an interesting villain Yeah, and that ultimate choice for trace. I was his hero's journey right there That was everything he was asking for this whole game was the truth the knowledge the understanding and uh Seeing what it's done to all of these innocent people across the whole story thanks to odin's very same pursuit It's like why so that you can get an answer to a question Who even knows what you'll get from doing that shit? Yeah, really? You don't even know what question's being asked It is not worth the cost And it's something that a traitors has decided to be true odin has not And by doing so you've just made odin Have to deal with the fact that he's done so much fucking evil in his life and it led to nothing cost Some cost Definitely along that line. Yeah, he was uh, yeah, he's gonna justify every move he made with that He said I he he argued to atreus at one point that this was gonna be What we can use to make the realms a better place Like it was it was always Whatever power he gained from this it was he was gonna use it to make everything better So it would be okay Also kratos giving atreus the choice of course Just like yeah, I trust you I mean, yeah at this point it's it's his choice to make instead of yeah Like yeah, it's a big old journey flames. And yeah, I think a kratos Would have guessed at this point what what a decision he's probably gonna make but um, Actually overtly giving him that chance is super important The answer is 42 true Late for that Pretty fantastic This was our chance Okay, that song is oh it's hard not for me to pick that as my favorite. It's so fucking good I think it's my favorite, but it's it's got a lot of stiff competition It's the first one. I heard the first time I heard it all the not all the way through but so long It's uh, man, it's fucking excellent I do really like it. I think my favorite is the main theme I got a couple favorites at this point. I'm I refuse to choose between them, but that one is phenomenal and I love the combo up of just The kratos friar and atreus. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. If you go into pause menu by the way You have them all three in there as well It's kind of the little detail here Could have had my answers. I could have learned the truth You took that away from me I could have made things better. We could have made the nine realms better This was never about the realms or me. It was about you. You destroyed everything my home my family My kingdom you did those things your choices. You killed your own son. It wasn't my choice I had no choice. There's always a choice. What choice do we have? There is always a choice Ah Very good You can choose to be better. No, I can have to know what happens next I Will never stop Why'd you have to say that? sofna up Desu sofna Hey, son sofna sofna I swore I would never rob from you the choice between life and death. I have waited so long For this moment. I don't need this to make me home We stopped his madness That's all that matters And that's why you never toss a dwarf go as far back as Odin basically admitting like there is nothing else for him. There is only finding that out That's it. And so knowing that The the cost will never go away. He'll always do it. And so Fitting in with what decision these characters can make considering What we've been learning about trying to find a way to not always end everything with killing someone You know atreus takes his soul puts it into the marble And kratos doesn't feel the need to smash it himself Or to do necessarily anything with it. He hands it to freya to match The uh the echo of what he told her in vanaheim And then she realizes that the damage he is caused or could cause Is completely stopped by him being stored in a marble. So That can be it And this is the thing all three of these characters have come that far to be able to make that decision And they are still repercussions of everything that odin has decided to do and yet Looks like he's gonna make it Until that other repercussion comes in The dwarf Yep, the dwarf who he wouldn't have given a second thought Is the one that kills odin Because of that choice that he made to kill brak who he considered insignificant and annoying And ended up being his ultimate undoing That vengeance. Stindry is god of war one kratos as well. Yep And uh, he's just absolutely cleanly done. This that's what happens you do that this happens next that sort of attitude And if you notice as well, it was the sound of something coming that alerted sindry and he just disappeared Wouldn't even suggest maybe that Something is about to happen that would put everyone in peril. He's done. He's out Maybe he's just he did the thing he wanted to do and now he's just gonna do well whatever he wants to do I guess mourn Doesn't even care what happens to the other ones now but yeah, what a Absolutely legendary choice to accentuate the point of this whole game the fucking boss of the pantheon the one that everyone Considered the absolute legendary strength knowledge man. He's killed by sindry Yep All because we're paying attention To exactly how everything would run if certain events take place And we only have to move certain pieces and certain orders to make them happen Um pretty great. It's not going to be something that Anyone here is going to lose that much sleep over. I think atreus. Maybe we'll feel a little bit bad about it. But uh, yeah I imagine kratos sees this is just Yeah, I've been there man like yeah the Gonna need time I suppose that I mean he was killed by atreus like I think we we've already seen you could be pulled from the Marble to be put into something else yeah Also the uh, the marble pole the frame you get is the looks pretty much the same as the mural where kratos was on before Yeah, now there's odin in this place. It's pretty pretty darn good Yeah It's not it has changed to clarify his soul wasn't destroyed It's it's likely going to the rivers of the alfam light now That's where odin right will go next but it's not like anyone's going to be fucking pulling him out of there No The fact like that still would be what we would call a kill that's that's actually presuming that is where he goes Obviously, he made lots of reference to how he doesn't know what happens. Yeah, there's no one He maybe goes through a light, but he definitely doesn't go to valhalla next That's what he said. So yeah, we don't we don't know where he goes. Well, someone said yeah, he goes to Well, how well to be fair if you don't actually see any light come from the the ball then that could imply That what cindy has done is annihilate him basically Uh, maybe actually, yeah, we give it another look You can't tell because the light Yeah, like that could be the soul escaping that could also just be an effect It's not like four distinct lights come out of the ball and go somewhere else peacefully But there is an explosion of light. So yeah Yeah, well in that case, I guess we can't know for sure. Um But I the point is I don't think odin's coming back No Is ragnarok, he's here Roadster save again time to go He didn't get stride stuff. Okay, follow me quickly There's time I'll be with you But your path is your own and you'll end up right where you're supposed to be There he is wake up atreus Wake up. Where is my father? Somewhere here in the hold He'll be glad to see you I suppose there's some things to say about that and um Obviously ragnarok came Even though at that point it wasn't even needed. Uh, which is just again in line with the whole like It doesn't really matter what your intentions are once you've set something in motion um The angrobota obviously was already in the big fight. So The the assumption is obviously she'll just command benria to open the portal up Or you know, it makes enough sense. Uh I There's there's questions about um could uh Breyer have been saved Um, yeah, I I wasn't crazy about that death I mean, it happens really fast, but I don't know that it doesn't line up in terms of like what he's doing with that sword I I presume is actually making a difference Yeah I'm not I'm not saying that it it was totally pointless. It just kind of felt like As the heroes are making their desperate escape I I didn't necessarily need there to be another major character death and I think uh Freya in particular it seems like he could be A cool character to play as in spin-offs and stuff, especially with ingrid Like because I don't know that we can talk about it more later about what it seems like they're doing after this But I think it's pretty clear that they tried to make it seem like there's a few possible player characters for future projects Um potentially obviously what I think they're going for with freya though was that he'd always felt like he uh never quite Made the uh sort of leadership decisions or whatever that that Require a lot of sacrifice. He was always sort of just floating through and having good times and then on the other end you've got freya who uh Tries to stop the ones she loves from being able to make decisions like that right she needs to be the one that Allow it or disallow it. This is this is that's why it acts as a big moment for her as well. I I think it's satisfying as an ending to his story on both his end and her end um So like I Don't know and like I I felt like I knew him for long enough that I kid For what he did so I don't know that I have very likable Like I can't really complain. I guess is what I'm saying Um, like people are saying he dies as part of ragnarok in the myths. Like that's not really an argument. I would use um for the sake of Just that I mean because Yeah, it's not totally invalid at the same time. I just I wouldn't use that as my Well, like didn't fenria Fenrir is supposed to kill Odin so Like I imagine that if I was to use accuracy as a boon to the story Then we're gonna have to deal with all the I should highlight all the inaccuracies So I'd probably rather talk about it aside from adaptation, but um Yeah, and I I assume the sword's done as well Yeah, I would guess so with all the fire stuff that's probably happening there. Uh Yeah, I don't think there's any sword left unfortunately because the sword's really cool Yeah, we don't know what's become of asgard like when they say destroyed. What does that mean? Yeah Well, yeah, whatever it meant is asgard is no longer accessible question mark I guess it should be right. Is everything just floating in space now? I don't know. Do they mean? Yeah, it depends on what they mean by it could just mean a great like a Great bomb went off. Yeah, it could be the whole realm is a wasteland. It could be that it's been Undone and remade there. You could do pretty much anything with that especially with such You know that The interpretation of prophecies and how no one really sees what happens. Who knows Well, we do get like after we're done with the whole story There's like pieces of asgard in realms everywhere So I guess the the idea is is actually like Completely wrecked somehow like the access to the what we would consider realm is actually just gone. It is Yeah, like the realm itself. However, that function is has been damaged beyond repairs Yeah, some pieces have been flung into other realms, but then I guess it just got destroyed So there might be something there, but doesn't seem to be any way to get there at the moment Stop it. I'm fine Threwed Loki. I'm so glad you're both alive You have no idea and I'm sorry Thor He was He tried, you know, I'm sorry. I couldn't do more Nothing will fix what you're feeling, but I hope There's some comfort In knowing Odin's gone. They are absolutely his Loki it was an honor to fight alongside a giant Know that will you stay here in midgard for a bit? Then I've got something I need to find I'm working with Hilda's Vini to get the rest of the asgardians to vanaheim To help rebuild then I hope it can be a fresh start for them and you Oh and through I hope you find what you're looking for Good luck See you, Loki Take care Were you there of your weapons damaged in the battle? I think they're fine. Maybe a couple nicks here and there. Well, we can have them looked at later We might not need to nonsense The shield maiden needs all of her tools in working order That seagrin would probably chew you out if they were dull. Oh, she would would she? I know I certainly would I also know you would Logan made it out good for him And if you so we're supposed to assume that that When he threw the ravens at them he threw the first one I think atreus shot it with an arrow and the second one freya grabbed and broke its neck Yeah, but which one didn't die. I assume the one that was shot by the arrow Yeah, I don't think you Did he get hit I thought I could have sworn he threw one and atreus shot it he threw the second and atreus Freya grabbed it and broke its neck I thought one just got away. I mean, I would need to double check it could be wrong But that's what the reason why I break this up is because if that is the one that survived the one that was shot by atreus It's just funny like you like oh you survived. It's like you shot me, but yeah How did you survive twice? Yeah, I just I'm curious if there were raven subtitles it would be saying I'm gonna kill you mother fucker Yeah, I made it. I did you see this this arrow that's still in me I survived with the bowing ravens and ragnarok Honest you I'm a very determined bird See you shot me and then yeah killed killed my killed my owner Well, well, maybe the power of the ravens is the teleportation. So it teleported out Well, yeah, I'm just curious about the arrow. It was like I'm free. I'm free I'm curious for the arrow. Yeah teleported directly to a veterinarian got some sutures. Yeah Get this wood over to brocky. Hey, hey, glad to see the head injury didn't make you forget me Did you have a head injury? Everything was a blur. Maybe that was someone else Anyway, man, I'm just I'm really glad to see you. I'm glad to see you too Looks like you're keeping busy I'm just happy to help folks. We're on track to have bed rolls for everyone and your friend's wolves have been helping out with hunting We should have plenty to feed everyone. No shit. No shit. And hey, thank you for everything It wouldn't even be here without you and your friends. Yeah, of course I I just wish we could have gotten more people out. Look You did good. Thanks Skeilder Take care. Okay. Hey You know me Has anyone seen any extra blankets lying around that snow might be melting but it's still gonna be pretty cold in this place Oh, there he is And one for the kid too Skull here here school We wouldn't be here if it weren't for you And fryer sacrifice. It's true. Well, we were just Swapping our own fryer fables. Right. Right. So where was I? Oh When we met I was expecting this warrior this master planner a born leader The legend came before the man But the man himself was very different He won me over though He was just so damn kind I think it helped that he was handsome. This is true And incredibly charming. All right, stop. You're going to start crying all over again Sorry Gotta go find my father. What are you saying for you? Y'all remember that panel if I remember correctly. It was you who lit it on fire in the first place Well, I'm flammable. It wasn't you were showing off that enchanted bellows of yours and sparks flew everywhere I'm pleased to see you awake prayer It was his choice I couldn't take that from him. He saved us all I'll never forget that The family I thought I had was taken from me piece by piece But there's comfort in the family I've chosen Your mother was right, you know You grew into that bow after all You are a formidable warrior, but even more than that You have a good heart Nothing even dirt has changed that I'm so proud of the man you've become atreus. Thank you for everything. I should find my father. You should Atreus like that deserves a little bit Cobra treated of itself like prayer Having made the complete opposite choice of what drove it to some of the lowest lows in the prior game as well as The idea that she'd like lost everything her realm and her family and all that and the Through all these crazy adventures. She's uh appreciating the new one probably relating to her relationship with Kratos Atreus and the remaining vanaheimians Vanier as you might say Yeah, uh Anyway You gave us quite a scare there. Glad to see you too. My mirror Listen, it's on my barrel. I want to thank you. Oh What else did you expect from the smartest man alive? It's not just because you're smart You listened to me mentored me and well You're basically another dad to me. Why no I need you to hear it I appreciate you so much Huh I love you too little brother See you my mirror It's good to see you about atreus You too held his beanie That's correct. Oh Never thought I'd see the day vaniel and acl existed in peace How optimistically presumptuous of you I suppose so we offered to take them in But I don't expect things to be easy right away. Well something to work towards Seability is certainly a start Yeah, it reminds me of um Mamiya finally getting to say to pray a thanks for saving my life sort of thing the same way of Mamiya's only gonna have been providing advice and Just general sort of support for atreus and all these years So, yeah It's just it's just appreciated as like, you know, you're an incredibly important aspect of my the whole life Essentially, he's just like ah, don't worry about it. I'm fine. Just a bit of jokes at the corner. Don't worry about me It's nice down here, huh? No loud noises We're okay. You did so good today boy. I'm so proud of you Maybe later we can find some treatments. Okay My turn Who's that, huh? Yeah, we know him Maybe one of these days I'll surprise you Oh You already have for saving us. I decided It would be better if I Wrote the ending myself. You haven't told your father yet. Have you told him about what come on Giant visions. I already saw it I get it every part of me is telling me this is what I have to do I just don't know how to say it. I've got something I want to show you Both of you This is for you too. That's right. Yes I am glad you are well I'm glad you are too So What was the end of the story? What? Before Ragnarok You promised to finish it if I fell asleep When death arrived He asked why the old man had called for him Seeing death before him caused the old man to reconsider his request After a moment He asked that death help him lift the logs onto his back so that he may continue on his journey He wasn't ready to die. He was to keep living There's a lot of smoke out there so That is the second half and of course atreus there gun him for the um What I would call like the the the conclusion of what a what a good old kratos tell it a story of the A desire to die but then a conclusion of actually no But I think something Little more going on and I actually think it's probably deliberate on kratos' part as well, right? like the we already talked about how Atreus is one of the big things that changed his whole perspective on whether or not even would consider it That's we got that in the third flashback with fey But I think as part of the story Like I want to die death shows up and like acknowledging the existence seeing it there Knowing that that's a pathway that's like imminent or even possible. It's motivation to stay alive He to say death helped him Move those logs. It's like the implication is uh his experiences with understanding it and seeing it coming and knowing It was going to happen made him have a new lease on life so to speak alongside everything else He's not quite done. I mean that's Basically the rating of that story. Yeah Yeah, I think kratos has gotten better at telling stories Little certainly better at getting subtaxed in a man. Some ox, you know Some peaks and dips Seems when asgard fell pieces of it landed all over the realms There might still be some in her yard near them but That's not what I brought you here to see Mother my shrine in yodin on She destroyed it. She didn't want us to know our fate We forged our own path because of her She went against her own people our people To protect you It don't all open I'm sorry Father I I need to talk to you about something There are other giants out there And I've got to find them. I think I know where to look but They're my responsibility. I need to do this alone I I don't want to do it alone, but I need to it's hard to explain Does it frighten you? I took this why you must do it You can just go tell brock I don't need to fight it Right no, we will fight it. But why? Because you are frightened of it Like you taught me Yeah How we survived today because of your choices. It is a deep fuck cut. I'm so surprised they managed to draw that. That's uh The kind of thing you could easily miss Excellent Yeah, that's a kid Who took off friend you are ready remember I promise There it is Mm-hmm Don't be way too many things to talk about so we're gonna take it piece by piece, all right? Okay So that yeah, that's that's basically this their relationships pay off both games. Yes like a hundred hours Ridiculous And they they yeah, they obviously starting out one of the first things he tells atreus is you're not ready the consistent element of having to raise him and prepare him and then realize himself when it's time for Atreus to be able to approach this willed on his own Or at least with his own decisions Kratos has given him a sign of The the trust that he has in him You know earlier like when uh during ragnarok Yeah, um And that whole like a part of someone remains with you even when they're gone or whatever just just using Loki and atreus to Signal it is uh All right, it's pretty beautiful and and the performance man. Did he nail the emotion there? Oh, yeah He often gets um Double takes and stuttering to feel so genuine too I guess that's what it is to be a good actor Christopher judges an absolute MVP in these games. He's so good Um Yeah, and and of course the If something frightens you then back of it head on sort of thing like his encouragement to overcome obstacles being accurate You did a good job kratos Well, I think the scene also kind of functions as a a way to solve for the um The uh, it was kind of the the mcu phase two problem like post adventures It's like wise in captain america calling iron man right now Whereas if they want to do a An atreus game or like one of those kind of standalone dlc things they do like the miles morales spiderman game They could have it make sense as to why kratos isn't there like already. It's not like, okay Well, why is atreus off on his own? It's like well because he said he was going to go off on his own adventure Yeah They have plenty of options obviously Why did you see in there brother? We'll see to it best scene in the game So good It's the best scene. What's my favorite scene? Best endings ever Yeah, yeah, um the mural That moment is incredible. Yeah. Oh, I adore it It's really really great The path that he had never envisioned imagined the path that he was on nonetheless It's um It's it's it's powerful because of the fact that it's it's drawing up basically his entire history Yes, yeah, it's just packed into that one moment If if uh if 2018 was I'm a monster, but I'm not your monster anymore than ragna rockers. I'm not a monster anymore Yeah So everything he's been trying to escape is is now like seen as a possibility Yeah, a real possibility. Yeah He's not just a some guy who survives some guy who survives and looks after himself and some other people He loves and some guy who looks after a decent bunch of people or a whole realm or he's like To be known as a person that is worth Worshiping and praying to because of his virtue like What kind of example are you gonna set? Never ever ever ever thought that was a possibility and spent most of his life believing that you Never be forgiven Yeah, let alone be praised for the actions he's taken, but that's the thing he's done so much work But it's something that it's it's kind of why the payoffs work so well because it doesn't necessarily hit you as a As a possibility in a sense like no one's gonna make a statue for him But you're like well think about everything he's done Like yeah, you find this age and working and what makes it. Oh, sorry Just that he's been working his ass off for for years and it's like and he's got this heavy investment of making the world a better place of course that line We have much to do much to rebuild. It's supposed to be uh Parallel to god of war three's ending this whole game's ending is supposed to be an echo of god of war three It's it's like uh an alternative And yeah, uh zoos makes reference to how he's gonna rebuild And then of course he dies and everything goes to absolute shit Meanwhile, he or he like genuinely means that he's going to try and rebuild Yeah, and in keeping with um Because of course that was part of prophecy But him seeing it there at that moment That's when he needed to see it if it had been earlier he would have thought it was like just a farce Yeah, it's like this is This is ridiculous, but now where he's at just like with a lot of the lessons that he learned a lot of these Values that were instilled or reinforced by fey and then Were consistently reinforced by the journey that he went over the over the course of these two games has led him to a place Where he can actually be that person on that mural At like an agent for good a really powerful agent for good To just go out there and do good things like he's always been doing But with a sort of more resolute the understanding that that's a path that's available to him And yeah As people are talking about it's like this is a big old payoff to the scene where Odin Chastises him for not even understanding. Yeah, exactly. I was about to say that yeah Um, what do you what do you know about being a god? Anyone ever worshipped you do you even know that adoration? And I was like, no, yeah, I had those war people that liked me. I guess when there was war Yeah The beginning of god or two is possibly him at his worst as as a person like he's just going around Doing war stuff basically playing everything just because he's mad Yeah, well the only people who like him are spartans because he's he happens to be fighting for them Is there's nothing more to it than that basically turns sparta into the most powerful Yeah, he's he's the equivalent of godzilla to like other of factions and it just it comes across as though it's just like I grew up as a spartan spartans sparta is the best. I've got this new power as a god of war I'm putting sparta on the map. We're gonna dominate Because that's what else is there? This is part of what informs his sort of directionless depression in in the 2018 and ragnarok games of like All he ever knew growing up was war. He was trained for war to fight to win And it's through his actions that all of Greece is fucking destroyed So now what it's like. Well, I'll just sail away And you know and and what what did they say when she met up with him they nearly killed each other Yeah, it's uh A lot that that is informed by and yeah He's he may have been worshiped as a as a god of war that Makes a place stronger and better and wins wars and stuff, but like what he's looking for and I assume How odin got to him is that he's never been worshiped for who he is Uh, certainly not for the man. He is now compared to the man He never wants to be again, which is basically original trilogy kratos excluding the end of god of war 3, I guess mm-hmm Which uh a lot of people forget but that you know credit to god of war 3 despite its cringe like that's where the arc starts They um, I think they wanted when they were reaching the third one to to make more of a point than just he kills everything Mm-hmm, and that then leads into 2018 and that concludes with ragnarok with these so many Very very complicated and detailed messaging messages about how you can approach all kinds of like control over your own Sort of emotional outbursts and what I can say about you as a person while simultaneously the choices you make Not only define what kind of person you are, but it it it is the entire essence of the difference between Engaging in fate or subverting it like you're a you are you that that's the important part make your choices and make them meaningfully Don't adhere to some like controlling force outside of what you believe you should do And that all gets uh variables through all of these different pieces of advice Different arguments realizations and then all of that is cycled through all of these different characters That are going through very similar journeys, but all have different results different variables surrounding them So much to be said about parenthood and It just existence beating like uh this game hits a lot of fundamentals And then and then some of the specific relationships hit people particularly hard because of um how much they can line up it's um What we would likely consider a very meaningful game and for it to culminate on that scene a man who Sees redemption which is so important for so many people across the world with the Some of the mistakes we all make We all want to know there's a way to come back basically yet Uh, Kratos says he sees a path Who would have thought we're gonna join him in doing that too because now Freya's got a path available to her for the rest of her life exactly I mean, I guess she's right now the de facto leader of the realms. I guess you could say I pretty much. Yeah. Yeah If the monarch of asgard is the one who leads all the realms then I suppose so yeah So yeah, uh, lots of lots of good stuff in this. That's uh, man And it's not even the end No The music Yeah, listen to it I am I can't not do it So good We should probably talk about gana gana. We don't need to talk about her. We just need to find her But Odin chose her as his new valkyrie queen a varnier goddess your friend Gana pledged loyalty to asgard long ago and our friendship ended soon after what happened I made a choice One she couldn't accept Kratos She hates me She will be a problem for us better. We find her than she finds us And another one for the big boy himself for the big boy himself skull Is there a gnaw fight in the endgame yet for the yeah That's in there. She's in. Oh it is in there. I I was there for a bit Yeah, I force her uh, I quarter and killed her is uh, the fun five minutes Mel, how uh, how are you doing with it? Shut up. You took way longer with the berserker fight Without that long The thing is I like the berserker king fight. I don't think you like the gnaw fight Thank you. I don't know. I was just frustrated. It was a cool fight. I think I appreciate it Man, I got fucked up and bring all the supplies we can although it won't be much Don't worry about it. Anyone who's able can head out for extra supplies a seer and varnier together Linda also mentioned there's going to be a get-together to honor brock's memory rabs taverners faffle I like to go. What is wrong? I know nothing. It's just Don't know if you've heard, but we're going to say goodbye to brock in spartle time a funeral Yeah We're meeting at rabs tavern in need of a lear We will be there alternate lyrics to my balance Absolutely disgusting I wish I could remember some of them The paperwork that man created for me I had to look just just for his violations a book one I thought I'm 20 different ways to cold forge a bolster One he taught me a slightly easier method of wire pulling and from that day on called me his apprentice A true asshole he was Gods, I'm gonna miss him Y'all made it Just about to send him off. I have met many on my travels You are one of the few I would call friend I always thought you were one of the dumbest creatures I'd ever met Didn't expect you to be the bravest too This world is a darker place for your leaving it We're taking him to the spared sands. It's uh In the wetlands near the ferry We'll wait for you there What is wrong? I should have Changed Sown some morning guard were not dressed properly We're fine The dwarves don't typically require formal wear of funerals rock certainly would not Perhaps Phil now you've got me thinking of what I might look like with some jewelry around my next stump Maybe some gold woven into my beard. I'd be quite a veteran, eh? Thanks for trying There they are brother Oh, come on early. He'll be along. It's his brother. Let's hope so Lost can do things to a man You made it We couldn't begin Can't speaker the more you take away. So what was that with happy ending? Who said that? That was the first time I saw that and that was awesome. I'm sad. I missed that. Oh, you missed that damn Dude, I thought I'd finished the game already That's the hard credits Wouldn't be kind of neat if movies had after credit scenes that added that amount of narrative weight Well, it wasn't technically it was a before credit scene. Like this is the oh, I guess Yeah, I mean that's true. Although the credits did come up as you're walking down the mountain. Yeah Fantastic stain Yeah, it was really good Fantastic, it's mad and paid off the riddle Yeah Incredibly well in a way that it it sets you in a position of laughing with it and at it and then it Yeah, it's you like a ton of bricks and Fucking destroys you I can understand why We had it was actually really useful for them to have two endings so to speak because One of them makes a point about the protagonist and how far he's come this one I think makes a point about how did this all start? Why? It's all down to a man and what he lost Pretty much everyone else in this storyline that we meet has a significant role has also just had shit taken away Yeah, and there is no Cap on that the more you take the bigger the hole Yeah And we might never find out what happens to sin tree. This might be the last time we ever see him Big old tragedy Uh, yeah, we might never know that's uh You know what told me when I started this game those fucking goofball dwarfs make me cry at the end I would have told you to fuck right off Now you can see it on my channel Of all the hanging narrative threads at the end of the story the one that's most interesting and will probably never be explored Is what happened to the germaphobe dwarf? Yeah Well, that's the thing i'm comfortable with uh Yes, story ending here Is more than enough. It's just that uh, it would never end reasonably in terms of like Uh the franchise As far as I know like how would they do that it would make No real, I don't know business sense to make a sin tree game Yeah, which is you know We'll end up with another pantheon or several knows. Yeah. Yeah God of war will probably return and it will make shit tons of money again Yeah As I'm telling you I my bed is the next thing they do is one of those Half sequels that sony's done for like a whole bunch of their franchises where it's it's not quite DLC like it's a little bigger than that, but it's also Not like a full sequel at the same time Definitely a who knows sort of situations, but the fact that everyone's like Sort of divided on exactly where to go or what to do or all the different options It goes to show you people aren't done yet. They want more going for Mm-hmm, or at least Just gonna say at least what this is they want more of it Yeah It's like I want more like if it stays like this But if you would tell me this is the last thing we get I was like, you know what? That's a pretty fucking good spot to stop it on You know Yeah I'm not talking about expansions exactly just sony in particular does this thing where they'll release like DLC that is basically DLC, but you can buy it on its own So they did one for infamous called first light. They did one for Uncharted called I think lost legacy Yeah, the one with like Chloe and Naomi and then um miles morales is probably the most recent example Um, yeah, I mean since we're at the odd credits. Um, yeah Conclusions while there's a couple things left after the I had let two songs play and then I skipped so Oh, okay. Okay. Just have that on the background. Yeah. Do you guys think it was all right? Well, I guess it's okay Yes, it's excellent It's very very good. I'm extremely glad that I walked through it and I'm very glad that Like I said, I'm glad that this is something in a video game Yeah, even as far as we've come video games aren't often, uh, what people think about a lot of the times when it comes to, um Wrong tourist storytelling. Yeah strong storytelling. So You know, it's good that it's here that all this effort got put into it I'm glad the game's doing well It's just really encouraging To see that sort of thing Well, I think you asked me like halfway through so it's 2018 still your favorite one I was like, I don't know it might be a bit of jeopardy and then I finished the game. It's like Yeah, no, this is my favorite game now. I mean, I guess it's the package deal, right 2018 and this one together like You can't have this one with the with the 28 without actually without any of the other games uh Yeah, I think it's fantastic like as I said already just putting in the effort And respecting the games that came before it taking the baggage with you and actually make it into something meaningful all the way at the end it's just fantastic, it's Yeah, absolutely great it's uh Incredibly intricate and complex all the different things they weaved into this to make significant points like several of them. I've Despite the fact the the story as we've displayed it at around eight hours, uh You know, it's like four times the size of the average movie Uh still the absolute level of content shoved in here for for storytellers insane And uh, what a job they did Trying to turn something that is known for being a goofy power fantasy of running around and ending things lives because why not into like Something that can make you think about the why behind all of it and where you could go next For the character that's that consumed by it not to imply there's nothing to think when it comes to The original trilogy in terms of what's going on for the character, especially including the the two psp games and ascension and stuff Uh, instead it is to say they took ideas for where they were going to try and push creators or commentary on him as a character and embraced it hardcore Really ironed it out and made something that I think is really worth celebrating. It's rare that we get to Walk about a story That has this level of variables in it that managed to stay this coherent. Yeah Maddening to think about the amount of work they must have put in this whole fucking package It's I don't even know to begin Untangling all these threats that go through this all these games The song was playing right now it got the known Choir sort of the kratos' side the fey theme coming in And then yeah, they both sync up As the song continues as though delicious. She's become a part of him sort of thing Like even in the music Which we've tried to make clear like this soundtrack is phenomenal and there's loads of storytelling details in the soundtrack He gave a shit and it's kind of neat when they give a shit Mm-hmm. Yeah shows it really shows when everyone is on board and everyone cares Uh, yeah So I can't help myself, but I get it. I get it. I love And I love this game. I man, it's too. It's really impressive very impressive It's like you said metal the amount of material that they had and how coherent it is And how focused it is while being this incredibly expansive story in terms of the number of characters The scope of the plot as well as the breadth of themes that they were exploring. It's very impressive The tunes I just want to say something but it's just went away so never mind. Oh well We might never know We may never know Still think it's kind of a miracle. We managed to cover eight hours in the time that we did Uh, yes I don't know if there's anything beyond the light after lives after after lives or whatever you but if there is Well, I imagine he's causing one crazy ruckus there Shizzle He's f**king all over the place Forgive sundry. He's just I may You know, I wrote that dirge for him What's it called something profane? He wouldn't have it many other days That was good. Hello master kratos What you've accomplished for these realms is truly something I never thought possible Our rest assured good master rock would be proud beyond measure Even if only to express it in his love language of profane non sequiturs Ah, but he is terribly missed Yes He is Now there is one rather interesting development to apprise you of the detonation of asgard shook the world tree to its very root Dislodging a great number of realm seeds. I thought you might wish to have them my little way of saying Thank you for preventing my death by emulation You are welcome I wonder if sundry will ever come back Can this place ever feel like a home after what happened here? I never thought I'd miss there bickering But it's really not the same place without those two is it we will maintain it until his return That was fucking depressing at the end Did I do enough To prepare the traitors the lads survived bloody ragnarok I think he's as prepared as anyone could be To survive. Yes, but to love brother Does he oh Well, there were certain topics on which I suppose I may have been a touch more approachable I did my level best to teach him the ropes Then you taught the boy to woo to be perfectly honest brother I taught him how I wish I'd Did you tap him to teach him to tap triangle until they explode with health orbs Yeah, when I got that when I got that When I got that I fucking laughed my ass off the first time I couldn't forbs There's a there's plenty more dialogue to find obviously that's just uh, so much more I still haven't heard all of it because I didn't really do the full second playthrough By changing around to the characters, of course because uh, it was a bit tight on time yeah, um The that that line just sets you up to obviously think Pretty just referring to just Being on his own in the world fighting blah blah blah, but he's just like no no no I bet like that other thing because yeah All the other being a person stuff. Yeah Um, yeah, that's it. That's that's got a war ragnarok story Our adventure through that massive game. Yeah It was pretty neat which in part is you know, just the second half of another really huge story, so Yeah, which The second half of a two sides of a franchise, right? Have a giant. Yeah, I'm much bigger story Oh I don't know if there's only so many ways that you can it's yeah, I can't I can't stop Really have a hard time just stop praising this game. It's like it's my little holy grail at the moment This is one of the best characters. Oh, absolutely. Yeah Yeah, there's like you can go I was I I was already short on time getting this done So I couldn't sort out tear and niefelheim and stuff, but uh, yeah, you can find the real tear and uh Yeah, he's him and You go to niefelheim. There's like a new path and there's like a big old prison It's worth that stick Now I guess because we kind of signposted it but uh all the way back when you first meet dylan And the little squid guy gives you something and then rada toskar tells you it's actually a a seed And the seed leads to niefelheim Yeah, and then at the end game you go to niefelheim. There's an entrance to the prison in the prison is tear You kind of start to put it all together Dylan on the surface was saying i'm finding you Is trick in conjunction Conduction conjunction i'm getting tired with odin probably with odin's approval was to trick them into going to get tear in the swaddle time Mines, right? There's only so much Uh, dylan can do he was building those machines as well But the the clue as to where tear is was given by the squid Yeah, it was handed out It's just uh, it's like that they didn't have to do that, but they did they really didn't And there's a lot of moments like that throughout the game of you didn't have to but you did It's just out of all ads up here when you want to have something you can look back on and be proud of Yeah, caron dedication dedication to the craft like what's up with you too? Especially if you're making something that's primarily a kind of story driven It's a good way to get people incentive to go through it again is throw in details like wait people are saying The prism was in asgard and it fell. I think the the the bridge to it gave access to it if the prism was originally in asgard then that's Yes, I think the Just the path got got opened up by that as far as I knew it was because I remember isn't there other references to there being a prison in niefelheim Maybe I don't recall I could have sworn there was but Um, I would argue that's much worse if the prism happened to explode and survive And tia was inside it like that Yeah, that's much worse. So um I hope it isn't that but if it is that that well you have that Because I feel like that just disconnects a whole bunch of connecting pieces um I'm getting tired too. I'm pretty sure it was a new path. No, it falls from asgard right chat I over it and then let me know once we figure out which one it was and I'll be here Or maybe I won't be I think I might be asleep I'll be here in spirit The prism was in niefelheim the chunk of asgard created a path. This is the thing I You guys decide, right? Because I think we're a little pooped out and one of us is gonna need to go soon. So Um, I'm trying to think what else should we say in closing? um Of course, we're gonna do like a catch up for the for the super chats. It's just that we've These streams and the saturday one. I don't even know if we'll have time as well with what's planned you guys Oh god, christmas night miss. Um We've we've been recording catch ups as well. We're just desperately trying to um Get on top of all of it, but of course we'll we'll be labeling as appropriate We recently finished all the rings of power ones. I'm gonna try and release that as one big thing Funny enough guys, there's two completed efeb episodes that aren't even out and we just did a double this week. It's uh So, you know It's something Try to talk about things are happening This year you're not going to get a christmas efeb movies. There's just no time. I can't I can't get that sorted out in time. Um But yeah, you're right. Just looked it up characters do mention seeing a chunk of asgard not referring to the prison, but the I assumed that's what it was. It would be weird with the squid otherwise, right? That doesn't really match up um, maybe I'll have a look on the um Uh, the the the wiki as well. I don't know either way the plan like I said is saturday. We're gonna check out Ragnarok criticism with the same gang. It'll be great Whoa fun and great um Is was there anything else anyone wanted to say about ragnarok? Fucking love it pretty cool Um, I wish the pc version came out at the same time as the ps5 version, but i'm okay getting it PS5 version runs at 60. So it's okay. Yeah. No, I'm happy. Very good. It's pretty good Good times. Well, all right. Um, and how about uh, I don't know I we kind of did it on the last stream, but and you'll be able to do it again on saturday But if you guys want to talk about you know, the things you're up to the reasons why people should check you out Uh, then you know what go right ahead fine I'm doing streams and stuff. No, it's metals metals fortune friday. I I snatched myself the smart person over there Yeah, and we're just gonna talk about some some random Stuff like the trailers that came out a bit of calisto bit of Everything just gonna gonna be chill chat to runes So yeah, come come come check that out. That's gonna be friday night. It's gonna be fun stuff I'm sure that there's a link down below. I'm sure. Wow. You forgot my link mutually. How dare you That's evil. It's starting to get weird. I keep putting yours in and it keeps not staying in YouTube hates me really odd Um, it'll definitely be on the reupload because I yeah, that's where I often find that they It's like, oh, it's there Yeah, yeah, I'm uh, I'll say yeah just saying again. I'm not doing twitch streams anymore I'm I'm full full on the youtube side now. So you won't find me on the twitch It's all on the metal commander channel So there you go. It's gonna be gorming. I played some dwarf fortress yesterday on stream. That was pretty fun I'll probably do more of that tomorrow Uh, yeah, then forge efap all kinds of stuff. It's content galore Come check it out. All right Um, what about you mark? Hi, I'm i'm mark the cyborg. I might sometimes make videos on youtube But I kind of do the the thing you guys do where you spend a lot of time writing redrafting and editing one High effort video instead of like uploading things three times a day But uh, it's much more lucrative, but also, um, I don't know. I have not really my style But um, I also stream on rumble really frequently. It's rumble.com slash mark the cyborg. I played all of calisto protocol It's terrible, but uh, lately I've been playing dead space two and it's much much better and uh Man playing dead space two with a mouse and keyboard versus playing calisto protocol with the controller You can't even tell you that's the night and day That's the thing man. This this this sort of uh chunk of a year it was like scorn calisto protocol and ragnarok Well, we didn't we didn't roll the bat on all of them So I like after after we played scorn we just went on this month-long god of war pinch Yeah, you could say the two games had different effects. Oh, yeah a little bit a little bit That's what I did a couple years ago though. I wanted the um videos on my home page on youtube Is it one I made for geeks and gamers? That's like a history of the whole god of war franchise So about two years ago. I played every single one and it was quite the ride Well What about you guys rags and frongo Nothing to really report yet. Um, I'm I got some things in the works But I'm not decided on what I'm gonna put my effort into at the moment for the most part So just uh stand by I suppose Yeah, I'm just working And that's exactly what I'm doing. Well, you guys are about to see something I'm working on Don't you worry you'll see something And then yeah, uh, so I guess it could be considering everything that's happened that We'll do the e-fap on the the 10th. Yeah And then the 17th you'll get a pre-recorded one And then hopefully by the time we hit christmas, um, we will have recorded a christmas special in some way shape or form As in it'll be something of a topic. I'm not 100% sure yet And that'll come out there Yeah, there's a couple Could be and or could be avatar who knows and then uh Guess that'll be the next one would be new year's eve Yeah, that's when I'm There oh, yeah, you'll be oh, it's that might not be live either. Uh, it may be maybe not no idea You may not be getting a live e-fap for a while after saturday Look, all right. You've just received How many hours like nearly 20 hours of dedicated card before riding the rock cover very likely have another eight on saturday Yeah, wow. Yeah, it's probably gonna be long when i'm over. That's probably gonna be a lot of gaming streams. I reckon so yeah Me and mel got some gamer stuff to do. Yeah gamers um But yes, all right. Well in that case there you go. Thank you all very much for joining us and for the Very kind donations and for the back and forth the insights. I'll be curious to check out Whatever one thinks of the game's story in the old comment section Like I said, the ragnarok is almost over Saturday Oh my god That's incredible There's more also I saw it as well, but it should be mentioned plushies have made the way out into the world. I've seen the pictures of And the new little muesli sitting around on desks and bookshelves and everything. It's great I hope everybody is happy with them who's got them It's really cool to see those having made their way out into the world and again appreciate it Yeah, they uh, I've been trying to See if I can look look look at them. Oh my god There's all all of them. Well, enough the freaks have delivered for me, but the uh, the molars haven't I haven't got mine yet. So I got mine. Yeah, I got them My fringy arrived during an episode of real bbc and I gave it to actually And you can see all of them He actually saved behind me He saved the goo because he warned me about the goo and I went it went to the box and found it in there Right there's the goo right there sitting in and don't lose your goo kids. You need to lose my goo. All right You got to hold on to it Yeah, thank you. There you go. I'm out there in the world Yes, uh, thank you all very much. We are now going to do some human things. I'd imagine well Uh, toodalipip chiahirio biobobobobo. Bye. Bye. Bye everybody. We will see you later Oh god