 Now, let's speak spiritually. Our Lord Jesus Christ to some people was arrogant. But this is the question that everybody must understand. Confidence is not arrogance. Ambition is not arrogance. Please understand. These are simple terms. It's language. Okay? When you are determined to do something, that's not arrogance. When you know you are right, you are right. The word confidence implies faith. Confidence comes from the Greek word confidale, which means having faith. I have faith that I'm right. And I know I'm right. Now, let's move away from the spiritual realm and come to the reality. I know the constitution of my party, the patriotic front, like the back of my hand. Half of the people that purport to expel me don't even read this constitution. They don't understand it. Why they're there? Some of these people, they have come and they're the ones preferring charges against me. Why they're there? Oko baari wamoans. Oko baari? This is why they thank me because they've been sent. Let's be serious. The president of my party, de facto president and the Republican president, my older brother, Edgar Chagolungu, knows I have committed no offence. The majority of the PF members know I have committed no offence. There is nothing wrong that I have done. Nothing. All I have shown is confidence. Courage. Ambition. And determination to push an agenda that I want to be president of this country. There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with ambition. And if you are going to kill a spirit of determination, if me, then you might as well stop sending your children to school. Baari ken baari fikopo. What are they learning? That it is ok to be pushed up and down, left, right and center. And let me speak to the Zambians. Please move that camera close to me. Zambians, please understand me. This is one of the weaknesses we have as a nation. I'm speaking to everybody as a Zambian and particularly to my friends in the PF. We tend to have this feeling that just because someone is in authority, everything they do is correct. We should stop it. We should begin to have the spirit to fight against the wrong. Even if someone is in authority. And simply because someone is in authority, it does not mean that he thinks better than all of us. That he is more intelligent than all of us. No, he has been given the responsibility for this particular time to superintendent on the affairs of the party. And that's all. But if he does something wrong, you've got to tell him to his face, this is wrong and I won't accept it. And that's all I'm saying. So to answer your question in a nutshell, I'm saying to the Zambians, I'm saying to the PF members, I have never been arrogant. Kansai, you understand the value and the essence of time. This is February. Tomorrow is the last day of February and there will be march. Your party will be going for a convention in April. And you know, they'll be selecting new leaders. The president has outwardly put it that he's going to contest. What are the options that are there for you? Because senior members, let's say SG, the deputy SG and many senior members have said our preferred candidate is Edgar Lungu. You see the contradiction. Do you see the contradiction in what you're saying? The same mouth says anyone can challenge the president. The same mouth says we have a so candidate. Where's the logic? Where's the logic? I have refused to attack the leadership of my party, but that is illogical. When is an open fight? And the reason I ask about time, Kansai, I don't know if you already have structures. Well, I don't know. How much support you have. I remember the last time you came, you did tell me that you're not alone. You've got many. I don't know how true that is. And time is not on your side, realistically speaking. The truth of the matter is time is not on the party's side. I want to reverse that question. It's not about me. It's about the party getting its house in order. As a ruling party we must lead by example. Let's get our house in order. So when you say options, what options? I am a member of the patriotic front by heart. Everybody knows that. I don't flip flop. I'm a very principled person Ramans. If I decide to leave an organization, an association, you hear me call you as a person, I'll tell you. I have never done that. The president knows that. I saw my young brother Max saying no everybody must come back, make peace with the president. I never went anywhere. It's been around. I've been around, I'm right here. What have I done? Reconciliation as a Christian, I've been trained since I was a child to say sorry when I'm wrong. To reconcile forces when I'm wrong. That I don't disagree. But tell me what I did wrong so that I can apologize. If you're going to tell me to apologize for having an ambition, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't. I'll betray my own principles. I can't. Having an ambition is not an offence. It is not an offence. Let's be logical. So if we want to reconcile and there are issues that need reconciling over, I am open. But to say apologize for having an ambition. I can't. I'm a man. I've got children. I've brought up children believing in a man who is principled, who is a disciplinarian, who is a father and an example to them. Then I should go and say you should never have an ambition. What will my children say? What will my friends say? You are stringing us along? You are never serious? The fact of the matter is that if your membership is not reinstated, you cannot participate at the convention. Is there going to be a national conference? There's just an announcement. Yes, that's an announcement. Remember I've got rights under this constitution. I have rights. I have refused to cause confusion in the party. That's why I haven't gone to court. Remember I wear many hats. I'm also a man. I'm a lawyer. So let's not take that lightly. It's not a threat but I'm saying let's talk. We don't have time for legalities and things like that. But I need to be heard. I said at the last press briefing I had in my office, I will not call another press briefing unless I see my president and talk one on one. There are certain things I need clarification over. I have not had that opportunity. So I haven't called a press briefing. Haven't you tried to reach to him that you have his number? I know I have the president's number. I have sent emissaries to my older brother, the president. I have sent church people. I have sent bishops. I have sent senior citizens of this country to tell him I need to see him. There are certain things I don't want to discuss in the open. We need to talk one on one. What's the problem? It's not like I haven't tried. I have. It's not every day you want to be calling the president on the phone. No. I also know he's a president. But when I sent emissaries, eminent men of the cloth and I trust them and they come back to me and say they have delivered a message and the president keeps quiet. You seem surprised when I ask you about the national conference. There will be no national conference. I also have to exercise my rights at that national conference. Clearly you cannot. Under the circumstances. Let's wait and see. That's all I can tell you. It now brings me back cancer to my earlier question because I think if you are challenging your expulsion from the party and have I gone to court? No, no, as in verbally challenging that look I'm not challenging. I'm just refusing it. There's a difference. Please use the right terminologies. There is no expulsion. The people who set to expel me have no authority. They have no jurisdiction. Me trying to dignify their actions means I've accepted. I won't have refused to accept it. They know it, I know it. They know they are illegitimate. So what is there to go to court? But if it's about denying me going to the national conference that I still retain a right. This constitution tells me if we can't resolve matters my doors are open then I will tell the court what I know. Then I will speak in court and then I will be wasting more time in court. I have been saying this for months. All along. Let's talk. I am an open book. I am an open book. I am not antagonistic. No. But don't think I have no options. No. We can waste time in court if we need to until my issues are resolved. I'm sensing and I'm hearing a contradiction. Correct me if I'm wrong. You say if they deny you to go to the convention you will have options. You will go to court. In the same breath you told us that the current MCC of the PF is illegal. But then how would you participate in the convention run by an illegal? No, I will be going to enforce my rights. There is a secretary general there. The constitution says if I want to stand for any position in the party including the presidency all I have to do is a day before I should tell the secretary general. I'll do that. Let him say no. Then they'll see for me. They'll hear from me. That's what I'm saying. I'm a member as far as I'm concerned. Whatever decisions they've taken they are illegal. I've not accepted them. That's my position. What is your relationship with the secretary general? Do you have any relationship? With who? The secretary general. Davis Muila. I have no qualms about him. He's my secretary general. I respect him. I accept his authority. He was appointed by the president. I have no problem. I have no problem with him. None. But if you say personal relationship no, he's not my friend. I don't know his habits. He doesn't know mine. How does it make you feel hearing from the CEO of the party that they already have a sub-candidate? How does it make you feel as one of those... I'm not moved. The truth of the matter is I'm not moved because I know the constitution. Remember what I said? It's not arrogance. It's confidence. It's having faith. It's knowing that you're right. And when you're right, Ramon, that you're right. When you're right, you're right. What are the odds if you're a proud venture, you're allowed to contest and obviously you'll be contesting again as president long. No. No. What do you mean? The president shouldn't be there. The president candidature will be flying in the teeth of the Republican constitution. Remember, whoever is elected at the conference is the flag bearer for the PF to be their candidate. The president for me cannot stand. He's been elected twice. He's been sworn in twice. I have argued this position categorically. There is the Republican constitution. The two are in tandem. This constitution must fit into the Republican constitution. The president must not be there as a candidate. De papata. No. I have said it even on the 23rd of April 2019 where I announced my candidature. I made it clear my older brother must step aside. I have never wanted to challenge the president long. That word for me get it. I have never said it. On every forum I have said I am not challenging president long. Any candidate. Not president long. Not president long. He's my older brother. He's done his two terms but he can't allow it. He's been elected twice. Chadi poa. 2015 to Adibachitelek. 2016 to Adibachitelek. Let him go. Let him go and enjoy his retirement. Let him go and enjoy his retirement. Why are we trying to cling on to a man like he's the only one who can save us? No. We are here. Let your president long help us. With his help we can still win. That's what we did when we made him candidate. We helped him. You can't help others. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. We bent backward. We humbled ourselves for his candidature to be successful. We worked left, right and center. We bent backwards for him. We did the impossible for him for him to go to state house. Why can't he do the same to us? Even by Christian principles do unto others as you would have them do unto you. To Adibachitelek. Is he denying it? Let him deny. The history is there for Zambians to see. We humbled ourselves. That arrogance they're talking about takwa bamuri in me. If I was arrogant when the phone rang in the night that we should go to the acting president's home then in Loanika closed there. I wouldn't have gone. That's arrogance. I went. I humbled myself but president was going on. He explained we started a journey together. Believing this is the right thing to do and it was the right thing then and I have insisted I have done nothing wrong in supporting the president Loanika. Nothing. All we ask now is that he reciprocates. It's not too much to ask. It's not too much. He's done his bit. 7, 8 years in that office. It's too much. Nanku Amerika 8 years nishinaipua. You understand? All these legalities of arguing as semantics no term no elected twice the constitution is clear. The 1996 constitution first election 2016 constitution second election you can't interpret the two using this 2016 election I mean constitution you can't. The first election for Ba Loong was in 1996 constitution a very different book Loombi when he signed the constitution amendment on the 5th of January 2016 that's when the new constitution came into force the law does not operate retroactive you can't use the 2016 constitution to make his candidature of 1996 Irigo you can't these are principles of law they are very simple any student of constitution alone knows this everybody knows I wasn't sleeping when they taught constitution alone now I had a very intelligent professor he's the late now but he was a very good professor well we've been taught that Longo beyond the ballot whether they like it or not and they say whether KBF likes it or not no don't bring a fight between me and my party I've just given you what my position is I believe I believe that that's what I keep saying to you there's faith in me I'm a Christian I'm a Christian so when I want to do something I don't just get up no I pray I believe I'm not a fighter I'm not a fighter people want to no no no we were in prayer some of us maybe they were not praying but we were