 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends We're going to be talking about the AOS 3.0 Battle Tomes that we want to see what do we think needs to be done? What needs to be made? That's what we're gonna discuss today. So many opinions all the opinions This was a very popular one on Twitter a lot of people were throwing out their personal opinions of What they wanted to see I'm sure we will agree with at least some percentage of them by some percentage, I mean More than zero, but probably not much more. So there you go. I Suspect a hotly contested list Later in the show, but of course first we start with the news. What do you got buddy? a Rumor engine we do well. It's kind of it's kind of a different thing now. They're doing one a day So I've got actually the one up from today Yeah, which is the hooky hand Yep, all those destructiony things Yeah, this is strange. I was not expecting a hooky hand with like bolted on so Okay, do you think here's here's the first question Are these all? the new What do we want to call them adversaries, I guess is what they've been with what we've been using right They're coming in the launchbox Because you know that the heading for this is like oh, it's the you know the beast the beast previews So are these all that Tom or are they also tricking us and throwing in other models that are gonna be coming out? Shortly after launch They're totally tricking. Yes. Okay. I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm also vampire. It's are we back? Yes. Yes, because I'm a spoiler for the the 3.0 battle tones. We want to see it's the update Update the soul white great work. So so you're on you weren't here last week obviously obviously, but you know Rob and I placed a bet okay, hmm and the bet is will there be a soul-blight grave lords 2.0 Before June of next year. I can't imagine so. Okay. I'm my eye. I am saying hard. No Yeah, he's saying yes Really? Yes, absolutely. He's predicting like a luminous style Wow Okay, did does he think it's vampire? It's look I want if here's the only way that I would accept a part two of Soul-Blight Graveler So it is in our in our sprucing. They're like, you know what that's a really good idea fast-track that fire up that book 2.0. Yeah Well, not only that like in all honesty, let me let me paint a possible world again. This is rumors This isn't rumors. This is just us guessing guessing sure, but So let's let's imagine a world where they can't get all of their expansions For Cursed City to market. Yeah, because other world we live in right now the world that we live in sure and they need Somewhere for this product to land I Could imagine a world Where maybe they had some inspiration that they didn't possibly have I don't know vampires and They take that and go, you know, we could we could you know, we could fluff up have some additional Content that was already coming for Cursed City. That's not going to come for Cursed City. Sure and Let's fast-track, you know, I three four new kids that are relevant for vampires You know tidings here in the comments says that's exactly what this is Soul-Blight or vanilla Lumineth book one vanilla high elves I mean, I would point out that Lumineth book one did have cow mountain in it So I don't know how much this this analogy holds but I I I get where you're going It did contain most of the baseline stuff and then the next book is Vampirates Lumineth book to kangaroos, right? so look I Will happily lose that bet if SVG mark 2.0 was Was Vampirates if they were like it's the Vampirates expansion here. It is we're throwing it out I'd be like never mind. I'm good. I take everything back This this it's gold. I have no issues. I've made a mistake. This is fantastic. Yeah, so Yeah Okay, so so hooky hand thing. I think it's just gonna be a goblin guy Yeah, probably It's good to dream In all honesty. Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably just a goblin guy with the I mean I think we're hearing for from the like We've been calling him like sneaky orcs, but obviously like more information is breaking out That looks like maybe hot goblins whatever those are in this world because we don't really know what hot goblins are big goblins Yes, we should give a special shout out here as we're discussing this to grim dark live who had a little breaking news story By little I mean big breaking news story about the contents of the release box Their source says it's called Dominion and that it's sort of goblin orcs sort of mid-sized that are Armed by you know sort of trading with chaos dwarves and they've got a leader on like a squig wolf pig monster thing and Yeah, that they're they're sort of kind of middle-sized halfway between Yes, some hobgoblin ish stuff and So, you know this could fit into that and and we're hearing that they're like a little bit mutated like a little bit Weird yeah, yeah, like the orcs from like misshapen maybe from the like the orcs from Lord rings And so if that is the case, which I really hope it is, you know They don't look like the other like orcs and goblins that we've seen Then it would make sense if we get like hooky hands and like weird, you know Like uneven eyes and the whole deal like I'm totally in yeah All right, and so then our second image also connected to this to the the beast Is this shield situation that looks like it's definitely photoshopped like Maybe just a little bit to to have the middle area knocked out and be blank Yep And so Everybody has latched on to the maggot on the tongue and said like oh, it's nergal. I don't buy that. I don't buy that at all It does kind of look like a demon face Yeah, sure it does it looks like a scary face, but I mean, yeah, it also looks kind of like a tiki mask It doesn't look like a tiki mask. This is like a bad guy from a Scooby-Doo episode would wear right here Let's be totally totally and if you're like a hobgoblin trying to make yourself look big like an orc Yeah, sure you want you'd like big scary masks or a scary face or a big scary shield. Maybe they have scary shield faces, right? Yeah, so and it could be connected to like that super old rumor engine that we still don't have an ID for to the other scary Shield with a face very much. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good call the oldest unsolved rumor engine as it were right now, right? In the deep cut there Yeah, you know, let me just say I hope it is hobgoblins by the way Like I hope it is like hobgoblins through and through like true hobgoblins who are once slaves to cast wars sure Like and they they just lean into it, right and they're like nope cast wars are real army now Yeah, I mean Because here's my call here's my call sure ready if if they are hobgoblins and they have been equipped by like Dolly's are like by sure Cast wars that army that book is coming as a new army As as one of the new cast armies, I'm calling it like 100% Yeah, I don't for a minute believe the maggot is just nergal We've heard a lot of things about this new race being a largely underground thing and that's how they've gone unnoticed Right that they're hiding in caves and stuff And if that's the case then they're eating bugs and worms and stuff because that's what you Live in caves. Yeah, so like so this little face could easily just have that on there Maybe that maybe they feed their shields. I do love these oh, so not photoshopped nostrils Yeah, but just so obviously punched out like with a tool just done They're fine. It's all fine His nose holes. Yeah, so yeah, it's good. Yeah, so I suspect we're gonna see I Mean like I I completely buy the the grim dark rumor. It makes sense to me It would fit an open space and destruction. They don't have it's exactly the kind of not bold move That what I would expect for a new destruction army That's what the hot take here. I don't know what to tell you man Like I won't warhammer to get weird and we're not there yet Okay, and like you mean pseudo orcs aren't gonna work for you No, like just more orcs is just more orcs man. I need to we need to get weird son What what if they're like painted albino like all of them? Like that's the that's the default uh Like coloring. Look, I've solved the mystery on getting weird. Okay, because I like the weird stuff I really do and I want to see armies get stranger. Okay. Sure The problem to me seems to be When they take an existing army that has preconceived notions And then they make it weird Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem Then you're gonna get some segment of the population that doesn't like it I mean you get some segment of the population that loves it and that's fine Right, like there's plenty of people who like Cow Mountain and who like, you know, whatever picture thing, right? Totally totally But where we need to get weird is in new armies where there's no preconceived notions like just get nuts get crazy Right. But again, I I It it sinks into my mind deeper every week. I you know, obviously I have a weekly dnd game as well and In I'm not gonna tell you a big story about dnd But we were but last night in my game. We ended up fighting a bunch of like black puddings and which are terrible and uh some mean locks, which are just these really cool weird like Four limbed with two little tiny grabby arms and two big giant claws, but they're also hairy and spiny They they're just weird-looking creatures And all as we're going through all this nonsense I'm just thinking like wow this world is so big with all the crazy things it contains and warhammer is so small Right, like just the number of races and things are just so small. It's so thin Uh, and so I want to see where I'm gonna be more than fantasy for babies But that's gonna take bold moves On the part of this and and the place to do it is new armies where you can go nuts I mean like let me let me pitch a vision for us, right? Yeah of an army like cities But not being cities like let's say it's in destruction um And I mean this is gonna be this is gonna sound like I'm painting out gloom spike But like you have a primary race that hasn't maybe enslaved another race Okay, and so you have a primary race and it slaves and then they have pets And then they have like and then so you can actually like get into the world Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly and mounts and and then all those are different things like different breeds of different stuff It sounds like I'm discovering like it sounds like I'm just just describing glooms by like trolls and squigs and stuff I got and kind of yes, but let's do something that's all of it is made up Yeah, look how popular the crazy crab was Right. Sure. What we need is more pets and stuff like that. Like if you look at soulbound There's a bunch of cool interesting pets you can take that don't show up and stuff So, you know, I just to respond to martin. He said the selection order. Yeah. He said we need 300 armies No, no, no, we don't I'm not asking for everything to be captured Okay, do world building in each army. Yeah, exactly. You can have interesting pets mounts You know monsters Okay, also then supplementing a main like thing you can do four or five six eight interesting concepts Right Yep, if you in in one new army and introduce a huge section of the world, right Along this line, by the way, I'd also love to see them get more into setting these into a particular realm Everything kind of just a sort of realm default like the giants are the giants of gur and it's like, okay Cool, like if you read the sons of badminton book And you read about all the other giants that are in the the world What they feel like and look like in the other realms. I'm like, wow, those sound so much cooler than the ones you gave us Maybe you should have sculpted those Right. Yeah, and so like the combination of using these interesting creatures and setting them as a home in the realms Could really expand the world building and storytelling through the army Um, and then you can also just sort of have you can have some armies if you're remaking something Be more classic if that's what it demands right But you can also get nuts You can have you can have crab nose rocking out there, right? Just just crab people everywhere Yep. So anyways, there we go. Uh, time will tell what we have from these two. Okay. What else we got in the news? Um, that's a great question. Uh, we have the warhammer animation preview this weekend. It's all 40k. That's exciting. Yeah, it's Okay We're gonna have a tv show that'll be I you know what? I am sure that some people are really excited for it And I'm interested if they ever do an aos one. That's not cheesy Uh, sure. There's it's a it's a it's an incredible world that you could do so much with So there you go. And they did on like event horizon And uh starship troopers. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yep Which one is the better 40k? Uh, movie starship troopers or event horizon? oof Um, honestly, I think I have to go with event horizon I got to go for starship troopers because I Starship troopers is a classic. Don't give me that just I love I love uh, I love the sarcasm in that movie that went over everybody's head at the time Oh, yeah, no, like no, like you're not wrong. Yeah, you're not wrong It's for me. I think why is that event horizon is because I didn't know it was a 40k movie Well, I mean, they're not really but sure they are and they aren't they there's they're all pulling from the same Soup there, you know, so like well like the creator the director has went on record as saying that like everything was pulled Yeah, like yeah, like insulin and the chaos gods and the warp and all of that You know came, you know, but and so it I was I enjoyed it in a weird sort of way the first time I saw it Because I just didn't know what I was getting myself into when I watched it the first time And then now when I look back I appreciate that movie so much more because I realized like what they were going for sure Um But I understand the tone of what you're talking about with starchy troopers Like I am for me. I'm just an old school imperial guard fan and that like Showing the mobile industry and all of that just feels so much like you would expect in the sort of fashion the deepening of life Of 40k. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Yeah, it feels thematically very on point, right? Yeah, no, that's good. That's a good call. Yeah Anyway, uh Okay, so, uh, yeah, we'll see what they have. I mean, I'm sure I'll watch it You know, there you go Seems neat nice What else we got Did you know they made a second and a third starship troopers? I did. Yeah, the second one. I don't believe is bad I think that third one's funny. I'm not sure. I don't remember right well Rico's rico comes back for yeah, I didn't watch either. But yeah Yeah, I bought the dvds a while ago when I was trying to get into 40. Okay, the trilogy had to get the trilogy Yeah, yeah, because I want to get into 40k and so and I watched those and I was like Yeah, this isn't doing it for me. So The first one was that the other two Anyways, uh back on track um We have uh The second had the back half of soul blight on pre-order including uh the start collecting bone zone The start collecting bone zone. That's what I've called it. Yes. I do appreciate you reading my notes Directly, you're welcome. You're welcome Yeah, so this is like your this is some grave guard. You can get some old grave guard So old black knights, which you could build as as x-rays too Uh, and you get the new mounted uh White lord By the way, I love those black knights like that's what I use for my hex rates And I just do a head swap and use some uh dark outfits like I love those guys You'd be better off to use them as hex rates because those are like black knights are probably the most disappointing Wow, that's not true. Well, I don't know When was the last time you look at the point today? One of the most disappointing scrolls in the book I will say black knights are so it's very funny grave garter fine Yeah, grave garter fine. Uh, the of course the the part here that is of Notes relevance and relevance is that this is the only way to get the Mounted white lord at least for the for the foreseeable future Yep, right. Yep. Yep. Uh, I don't like that Um, I wish they would stop doing that like I don't it's the same thing with the lord on It's the incentive it's the incentive right like they're trying to bring people in to buy and invest in this box And the way they do that is they offer something new I get it. Okay You know, that's fine. All right. I understand I i'm gonna repeat my call for transparency here. Okay Yep and that's Just say This is the well, we're gonna release him individually in a few months Yeah, but until then you can get him now early in this box. Say something like that. Okay. Yeah, just say that Clarify that you have a pretty You know reasonably rapid plan to release that one model Nope, like buy like are getting only because all that that makes me want to do is say Fine, I'll just proxy him then Right, or I'll just go find a 3d print like we don't live in a world Where that kind of silly fomo You know sort of like tactic makes sense. Just stop it If you want to let it be out for a little while, but you're transparent about it I don't care. You can release your products however you want Right. Do you want to? Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. No, I'm just saying like be clear about when they're coming. That's all I don't disagree with that. Do we want to talk about allocation stuff? What dropped? I didn't see it in the notes. It's not in the notes. We can certainly talk about it Um, yeah, I wasn't sure how much we wanted to cover this, but yeah, that's I'll let you kind of take the the the lead on this point before we get to the allocation that we should mention that the other big part of Uh of grave lords part two of sbg part two is They're releasing the cursed city bad guys Right now they're a direct buy Right. So you have to order from them I'm guessing they're going to show up in the white box Yeah, I'm talking about yeah, the fake box the fake box. Yeah, it's just like a sticker. Yeah And Like they're releasing them exactly as you would expect them to Which is like the sprue of just radicar because he's on his own sprue So you can get him alone or you can get like all the rest of just the bad dudes Which by the way may explain also That may explain also why they clumped all those as a single point by is they saw like they may have had a lead time Of in knowing that this was going to be a train wreck six months ago They would have had it would have had to be even farther back than that So like just when they when they staple these like I the the tracing the time back on this book and everybody like Oh, these other vampires were supposed to be a soul-like grave lords expansion They would have had to known it was off the rails So long ago because this book went to print in like Probably june of last year july something like that like way back there maybe a month or two later But like they would have had to know way back Okay Like that's when it got finished and turned gold right and they someday had like their locked copy At the latest september And that would that would surprise me So, you know the um The the part of it to me is I'm I'm really of two minds on this kind of stuff Okay I don't mind them all being in this giant mega battalion that makes it like hey if you've got the box you can use it So here's the way you can use them all but none of them are particularly good It's just kind of there is a thing so no one actually So people aren't incentivized to go out and like scalp this thing or find, you know, like try to get it They couldn't get a hold of the box Which is I suppose good. I mean, I don't know. It's weird, right? But my real response would have been then okay, the right world is just Release them Yeah, right and then let people play them individually like To return to our point We just made the white king can only be bought in a box with grave guard and Black knights. I don't have to run him is all three Yeah, yeah So the fact that these all come on one sprue isn't really a justification for lumping all their points together So like the way I would have the correct world should have been Keep them individual or maybe you want to clump like a couple of them together because they make sense I don't care but they like they shouldn't involve in one giant group, right? And Uh, you know most of me like if you wanted to use like the Varg skier individually Obviously, he should be able to be used individually right And the right way to do it should have been point them individually and then release them individually not as part of the big box I didn't think they were going to release them separately. Certainly not this fast So that honestly surprised the heck out of me. It tells me that mold ain't broken right And and then let them be separate um So like so so that people can actually have fun with them It's it's just a confusing choice given those two Things Right like either they were never going to be available separate And so we keep them as one big points thing because that just represents like hey, did you buy the box? Here's a fun thing you can do with it. Otherwise forget about it. You don't need to worry about this, right fine Or they release them separate and you point them separate Yeah, I don't understand Yeah So I don't know there we go. I wish yeah I wish I wish the world were different Uh, yes, yes, but look here bright side is they did get them out and release them that fast I hope they do the same with the heroes like I hope we see the heroes in a couple weeks Because they are truly great models. Oh my gosh. Yes. I mean, I love my box I love it. Yeah, man. I mean I will we'll talk about it when we get to hobby time, but but like They're really really really beautiful fun models to paint so Um Hey, and realistically I think they're pretty worth buying just if you have a generic death Army because most of them slot in pretty easily To just be proxies and cool proxies for other things. Yep. So yeah Who cares like I don't care. I'm not going to use any of them as their actual thing But I'll use a ton of them as as you know counts as for other things because I just think they're cooler things Yeah There you go right on Cool, what's next? Uh, let's do allocation. Um, yeah so we talked with uh Some folks in the like logistics industry stuff not that don't work for qw But um, one of the really interesting things that I think there's been a misconception in the community Is about scarcity Um, and so a lot of folks are We're finding that we're ordering things from you like your local stores and all of it's like sold out You know Like and what they're finding is that like you're having like products are on like major back order or fields that way at least And in the conversations that vince and I had what we found out is that it's more an issue of allocation Where like a distributor will get basically allocated if the new release is one of each thing Like one box in the first week in the first week And then in week two you get like Five boxes of each right So they're basically like trickle releasing right and then week three it's kind of like Whatever you want basically or you know some much larger number right so that Which is this really weird strategy that forces everybody to just double up on work in the supply chain triple up on work In the supply chain right right because people go to look for when it comes out like you clearly have it Why is it spaced out like that over time? It makes no sense to go like one because it's not actually scarcity of product right? Um The only thing that I can think is that they're wanting to meet demand and not letting like the big dogs over order You know and then corner the market when you know everything like everything small sells out And then the smaller guys can't get it or something. I don't know But what it's doing is it's functionally causing an artificial scare scare to be in the opening week or two right And then all of a sudden by like week three sure you can get your hands on if you want like that's fine right right But but but the perception has been created that oh, it's really scarce Right that that everything is selling out and everything's being bought right away and that they're not making enough No, it seems like they are it's just the way that their logistics is functioning is that they're trickle feeding I suspect if I were to take a guess I have no inside knowledge here That they probably recognize that they can't meet demand Okay, because of logistics problems sure and so rather than like over commit and have to deal with that Right they're aiming to like stretch out the ordering process longer Does that make sense like because ultimately they can't meet the demand anyways Um, and so to keep you know to keep customers engaged or I don't know reasons Um, because they don't want to over commit product that they don't actually have I don't know Those are logistics questions. Um that I don't have answers to because that's not my specialty So, um, yeah, did you have anything else you want to say about uh allocation? No, I it's it is a strange situation stop it Like GW stop it fix whatever needs to be fixed like I don't know if it's an intentional choice Or if it's you know, just the the oddities of logistics in the modern world I don't know figure it out. That's your job So that's my ask Yep, so there you go So moving on to our final news item today Uh, I was originally going to say this till the end of the show is a special announcement And then Vince assured me that if I did that some of our viewers wouldn't catch this Yeah, hold on one second. Let me say something. I do want you to get through this State of Kevin go ahead and drop it in the comments. I'll read what it is and we can talk about it as we go on So that's fine Yeah, interesting fact. Please continue. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I very interested. Um So yeah, so we are um Uh, I was gonna wait until later But uh, Vince convinced me to move it up into the middle of the show and so I will mention it now um In my industry, uh, there is a practice that has largely fallen out of use in other kind of professional Things and it's the concept of the sabbatical Um, and the idea is that uh, you know content creators and people will Take a break, you know after a period of time in order to be more productive and recenter themselves and all that stuff and um, and I uh Unprompted by Vince. I promise I uh Don't blame him or point fingers. I got trying to get ready. Is that what the joke is there? That? Yeah. Yeah I've decided that I'm going to take a sabbatical So and I think the goal here will be for me to take a break basically Unto the launch of aos three So g g w in a sense controls when I come back or not. So we'll see Um, it's on you gdubs. No, uh, and um I'm going to use the opportunity to uh To be more productive in some other areas and uh, for example, I have a I have a contract that I need to finish Um, that I've been contracted to write for a dictionary a dictionary entry and my professional stuff and so I um, Uh, I am going to take a break from warhammer weekly for a couple months so Yep, so well tom will not be with us for for some amount of time to be It's going to be like for those that watch the daily show Um when john stewart stepped away and john oliver got to uh to step in and and uh and host the show for a period of time and so Vince is going to find my john oliver to take over for a period of time and then maybe that person Can move on and launch their own show or or or maybe they can start producing content again What whoever ends up replacing me so we'll see sure Yes, we have already secured our our new co-host for the time period there Uh, and yes, once we once we get aos 3 with tom will be back in force Ready to go revitalized recentered Uh, he's just gonna be doing he's gonna be out sitting amongst crystals Doing yoga for the next six five six weeks whatever Getting some incense. There'll be scented candles all around It's gonna be amazing. I might have a painted uh curse city when I get back. We'll see I mean probably not but we'll see So, um Yeah, so it'll be good. I'm excited. Um, I uh, I'm excited for the direction of the game And I can't wait to to be a part of it. Um, but uh Yeah, I have a lot of stuff that I need to sell so Uh My hoarding has caught up with me. So if you guys do see me posting on uh twitter, don't get alarmed. I'm not quitting the hobby No, um, but uh, tom is just doing what he should have done when I told him to do Years ago when I was like you have to sell some of this crap. You are a hoarder when you're trash Trashing me for my chaos wars. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You're gonna die under a pile of nonsense That's what's gonna happen. Yes instead of old newspapers and plastic bottles. There's gonna be war hammer boxes of like Why why are you why do you have so many boxes of uh, of I can't even think of their dumb name swish talk agents. There we go. Yeah, I got there. I got there I mean, I do have me some swish talk agents. That's for sure Unfortunately, those are uh, those models are worth, uh, you know, uh, uh, 91 colt maybe like Uh, so the best car ever The best car ever clearly, uh, they're they're worth quite a bit of money like maybe an underground sea dual land. I don't know I guess those are worth quite a bit of money. So If you're looking for swish talk hit me up folks. There you go Uh, all right. So we'll uh, we'll thank you tom I'm just excited as now I'm going to be even further ahead of you in the number of shows I have done compared to you It's true. Uh, so Uh, so there we go. That'll be that'll be good. Uh, all right cool. Well, let's uh You will be missed But of course we you will not be gone long time will pass quicker than you know tom will be back All right now. Let's talk about some pick Of the week Uh, tom, what would you like to share with everybody out there? Uh, man, uh, vince and rob did a great show last week I know this is really weird for me to pick warhammer weekly as my pick of the week But you should go watch it Like if you haven't seen the show from last week, go pick it up Uh, I wish it was possible to do a little uh A little uncle adam style pachow In the in the in a live setting, but yes, I cannot so that's fine. I'll just I'll just drive it down Click right here Yeah, you're gonna have to update that later. I don't know when like you need to learn that technology I know how to do it. I do it in my hobby videos, by the way Well, there you go. Wow right there vince now you can go back and get that The problem is I can't point to the right place Because it's over in the top right and like we're in the left side of the screen. I can't reach over here So at any rate, uh, all right, uh for myself Uh, my pick of the week is actually going to be sort of three individual things. Okay Uh, so first thing Is I just want to give a quick little shout out to a good buddy who has a birthday today will Myers Was a good friend who takes good care of me every time i'm down in Nashville for nash con just a great all-around great human being I just wanted to say happy birthday to him Uh, I thought that uh, just want to make sure I hope he's doing well Uh, great great musician and an all-around great human being Uh, secondly my uh pick for warhammer content is the re-rolling ones crew put up a new battle report of them playing in their garden of legions of negash so pre-soulboy grave lords against, uh, nergal And the reason this one was fun is because they use an unorthodox style Of where they're you're rolling for your sort of objectives off of the table Every round and what they're trying to do Uh, and it was actually really interesting how the game kept changing as different objectives and some were more achievable than others It's very it obviously is very random Um, and it can make for like a game where you sort of accidentally lose Right But at the same time it was very fun to watch them try to stretch and move around and uh and do all this stuff And it was just a great game with print and uh and shoe. So there you go Uh, and my third little mention for pick of the week is to make sure you tune in to Uh, uncle adam's video uncle adam tabletop minions. He's in the chat. Make sure you watch his friday video this week That's all i'm gonna say Just do that Just watch this video I'm sure it's gonna be a good one Okay, so Um, all right. Let's talk some hobby time my my dude. Uh, so Uh hobby time Tom what have you been working on man? So I know I just talked about getting rid of a bunch of stuff But I drove up daughter hometown this weekend Uh-huh, uh-huh And acquired about four more armies sure um And amongst those like Hold on. I gotta hold this This is my favorite box With all the old bats Very nice. So I happened to have acquired apparently an old metal Oh, wow. There you go. Yeah, you got you got your soul like grave lords army ready to go ready And so I have like a full I realized that I was like, oh, there's like a terra geist in here And like all like a bunch of stuff. Uh, there's also an archion. So that happened Nice. Um, been wanting to get a a nergo archion for a while. And so, uh And he has like a hundred zombies now most of them are mantic zombies, but there's like a hundred zombies here So, uh, you accidentally have a great a hundred zombies. You got a great soul like grave lords army on your hand That is I know right magically, right? So, uh, so that happened this week Um, you definitely need to clear out old stuff then you gotta it is time to price that stuff to move Tom to make room for the new stuff. I I'm aware I'm aware So, uh, I uh, so I've been I've been sorting through models and stuff like that. Uh, I got a silver tower box Like how many of those are still in existence eight more, uh, little goblin, whatever they are spider On the pile for you amongst the hundred you already know. Yes Uh, 140 is how you go ahead Yeah, it's good So that's what I've been working on. I've been working on models. Nice. Well, if you don't have a home for those Terror guys, just give me a ring a ding and I'm sure I can find a place for them. Sure. Sure Uh, my hobby time. Oh, it's been a quite a busy week I did get to play with the new uh, soul like grave lords since the book leaked I just went ahead and played a game with them this last weekend By the way, our soul like grave lords show will be next week. We'll be reviewing it Uh, so I was fun. I played some oven gory the monster people had a good time there Mm-hmm. Uh, I finished up that bellicor which was a long long long project and so that means it's time to swing the Pendulum all the way in the other direction and go from a single model and a long project to a whole army in 24 hours Uh, so I've been getting that ready all week assembling everything here. We have our hit bat and here we have our smash bat And here we have our Super smash bat Uh, so he's the it will be easy to identify just to show you the wing difference here It's significant. Uh, a little bit. There you go about smash bat and super smash back super smash Yes, correct. Uh, so and I've got the whole rest of the army assembled back there for the most part Uh, just waiting on just waiting on a few More ghouls that somebody's printing for me Because I'm I'm going to use some of the Some of the I'm going to use some 3d printed ghouls in addition to some of the normal ghouls to separate the units Uh, ironically the 3d printed ghouls. I are like dnd minis and I did not realize just how big they are and um They're bigger So rise they got some I'm gonna have meaty ghouls real meaty ghouls Uh, so this will be a 24 hour army challenge Uh, I'm not sure exactly when I'm going to paint it, but they'll be all prepped up at least this week Uh, ryan taylor says what's a smash bat? Uh, smash bat is a particular build of flesh eater courts that doesn't use any of the big monsters like the Ghoul king on terror geist or whatever and instead uses a super charged Var gulf, which I will be using varg skeers that have been modified to have wings uh as mine and uh, it uses those and you Fire them like a giant heat seeking missile and uh and get in there Uh, oh stone said so no 24 hour FEC video. Oh, no. No, there's absolutely going to be a 24 hour video out of this Yes, uh, we'll see it might be less than 24 hours Like I kind of want to push myself here, but we'll see what it comes out to I'll paint the army and if I can do it in less than 12 It'll be can I paint a 2000 point army in less than 12 hours? Which that'll be fun So yes, that's smash bat. So I'm very excited. I saw I've been assembling tons of stuff all week Nice. I look forward to that video It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. I I know what we're going to do for the paint scheme This one will be a little different every every one of these videos I do is Is different and presents different tactics for speed painting. So this one will be different again So there you go uh Okay, uh So Uh, let's uh, so that's that's hobby time. Yeah a lot a lot going on real busy. Yeah, but tom Shall we get to the main topic? Absolutely All right, so here on the screen now I have quarters After the release of aos 3 q3 2021 q4 2021 q1 2022 q2 2022 As well as all the army books okay And we are going to discuss I've got a couple little boxes for new armies as well just in case. Okay Yep. Yep. Uh, I need to pull that in. So well, it doesn't matter the some of the books are slightly cut off on the frame, but that's fine um We're going to discuss Where these need to go so which aos 3 armies Do we think should get new battle tomes and in what order? That Is the question All right And if when we when we put an army in here Yep, by the way, we're not going to move all the armies in because they're not all going to have a new tome in the next year obviously Right. Yep. Yep. But when we put an army in I also want us to do a nice discussion of What exactly we want that new book to be to encompass to You know feel like that kind of thing. We don't need to get into details But obviously, you know conceptually that makes sense, right? Like how we would want to kind of re-feeling or redesigned or to play or whatever Yeah Yep. Okie dokie We understand the concept. So I think we can safely start out and say right here in q3 2021 I'm just going to go ahead and slide our storm cast eternals up there and slide new army one Right up there. Yeah, I mean those are obvious. Those are obvious We know those are coming. Yeah out of the gate. We know we're getting a new storm cast and a new Uh a new army in the new box set Do you want me to be bold and tell you who the next two books are or well? I guess we should do we need to talk about these two? Uh, yeah, I mean sure. Let's talk about these two a little What do we want to see out of these books like we know they're coming a job because they're going to be in The box set, right? So what I hope I hope we get a little bit more of the storm keep discussion Okay Like what we saw with storm keep which was which was like inverse or reverse cities of sigma I hope that gets integrated and so we have like you have your storm host rules, right For or not storm host you have like your standard lightning strike rules For like the those being dropped out on the field Then you have the Storm keep rules and then I hope they surprise us with a third like Overarking category Okay, and I don't I don't I don't know what that is but I would love I would honestly I would love it to be something like the order of azir like we've talked about sure But I don't think though it would be that bold I think that more likely what we'll see is we'll see those two And we'll see each of the storm hosts having their own thing and we'll see Whatever the new chamber as it gets on I'll tell you what I want the storm cast to be I want them to be some golden gods, baby. I want them coming down basically I mean you saw the third Thor movie, right? Okay, I did You know the scene with the immigrant song playing where like Thor comes in he like lands amongst all of like Hello zombies. Yeah, and just like smashes them apart in lightning, right? Yes. Yeah Okay that yeah Yeah, that's what I want. I want the book to feel like that I every time I pick up the book I should hear that song and see that scene in my mind unbidden Right where like I would love that I would love that Where these things are just they are just combat monsters right just unbelievably tough And unbelievably damaging and their their penalty being their elite. They are few Right and truly keep them few Like I'd move their points up Okay Like I'd make them slightly more expensive 10 20 percent more expensive and really make them like Come in and punch and like they you know, they are the bulwark, right? They have to be worth Five times their weight in in any other army Right. Sure. So yeah, I'd agree with that. That's what I want. I want more lightning. That's my answer more lightning more lightning. Yes So there you go And then new army won if it is this if it is the you know orc slash goblins Halfway whatever sneaky sneaky goblins. I don't know Yep Uh I really I can't think of a clever name to combine them. So I don't know whatever they are. Um I hope that uh, I hope they play knob goblins. What's that knob goblins. Sure. Yeah, not goblins. Yeah Uh The the way I would want them to play is unlike other destruction forces, which is just I would like them to be um I would like to tactical and strategic rather than mass. Yep. Yes. Yep. That's exactly right a an actual like strategic army in destruction that allows for sort of Synergy and multiple layers of different attack strategies and play and stuff like that, right? That is sort of a thing that doesn't really get explored in destruction Most destruction armies are like there is one and one way to play that army And they have one setting. It's not always smash, but it's something not that far off, right? It's so it's you know Tav tons of bodies fly forward smash have a few bodies run forward smash super hard right or Be giants like don't they need a at all but move forward and stand better than your opponents can stand A melee carajan overlords or a melee or or a or a knight haunt esque army. That's what this needs to be. Yeah Yep, so High mobility sneaky sneaky sneaky Yeah, like like let them play more tactically more synergistically more in it in sort of a Uh a finesse way. There you go. That's the word I want. Um Brandon says do you think that they will should keep the sub factions gated where you have to use its rules? 40k let you explore a bit more and it's fun to play with the list building and all the combos Um, yes, I think they should keep the sub factions in the ways that they have Although I would argue the best way they've done sub factions is actually what they have in the new Soulblade grave lords and how slaves to darkness works and how cities works Where it's not paying for itself by opportunity cost It's paying for itself by restriction in that you can only select from like list a And it sort of restricts your your units and stuff like that accordingly Um, that's how it kind of should feel. I think I think that's the best version of it in my mind So, yeah No, that's true. But like I'm okay with them having the sub factions that are their pure opportunity cost funded Um, but no, I don't I don't want that level of complexity because it will like they haven't proven themselves to be able to handle The complexity that's out there now So introducing more there's not going to be the battalions Futsiness like we need to reduce complexity in this game. They're down still We're on we're on our way, right? Yeah Like if the rumors is true about battalions Like Honestly, it it's one of like to their credit the more I thought about it. It's one of the most significant steps. They could have done Yeah Just simply because when you rock up against another army, it's bad enough not knowing War scrolls. Yeah, you can pull those up on an app, but not knowing a battalion Right. There's no other way to go. I'm using the You know hero and some guys to protect that hero battalion and it's like, oh, okay. Sure. Yeah, okay Everybody's right. I've intern. Yeah. Yes. I've internalized what your battalion is because it's my battalion also You know, it's like it's one of my options. And so instead I only have to learn your army specific rules Right and your War scroll units. Yeah. Yeah, don't worry ghost mud and we'll talk about five point increments next week and why that's stupid That that would be a great set of content that somebody could produce content on sure sure Right. All right. So those are the two new ones slam dunk. Fine. What's next Tom? Let's go. What's after this hit me Night haunt. Can I do two books too? Sure, man? Night haunt. Okay in beasts of chaos. I think those are our next two books. Those are our next two books Okay. Tell me why Yeah, totally. Um So night haunt is in like a deep need of revision Like there's so many aspects of the book that is is mired in second edition Uh-huh. Um, and not the least of which is um How almost everything is balanced around the battalions like battalions were like We're front and center to what that book was and they began to integrate those into the like sub factions in um In the shattered realms, but the book is just so much bigger And so I I think that you know, like there's other sub factions or other things that they need to explore there's also a number of war scrolls that need to be rebalanced and revisited um, and And those sound silly, but they also have stock that they're going to need to clear out You know, there's a bunch of these hybrid second edition boxes that they need to like move And the way you do that is you offer an aggressively costed army That that is compelling. That's interesting. That's visually striking and you have tons of models up. Okay. Okay So I I think I think that's a slam dunk for for night haunt okay, um And then for beasts of chaos, I think that the model need range needs to be revisited Uh-huh our new world is based in ger so they're like contextually appropriate for the world We're gonna be in sure. They're one of our oldest books. Yep And um, and they complete a fourth chaos faction I know the not cast action the fourth of the of the Grand alliance grand alliances and so they actually compliment The other three books that have been released that we've made. I get what you're saying Because you've got an like just let's let's drill this home in case everybody's not keeping up with you You have an order book storm cast. Yep. We have a destruction book new army one placeholder tbd You're saying night haunt that's your death Because it would be like if they're gonna do a death one and it's not gonna be new which fair Right, it feels like if we're gonna do another death book. It's going to be A redo and it's the one that makes more sense to redo right flesh eaters doesn't really need it very much No, but flesh eaters would flesh eaters would be contextually appropriate. Let me just say that Like I think flesh eaters I could see them in ger like that makes sense to me Sure, but we just got and and we just got soul blight and honestly the real problem is flesh eaters would feel Very soul blight ish because there is like there's a lot of vampires and flesh eaters as well All the all the leaders of that army are also vampires, right? So that kind of leaves ghosts as like your option basically, right? Right, and then okay, so now we need a chaos faction. So what chaos faction do we pick? Well, it like beast is a good pick I like the ger pick because really your two chaos picks are going to be sort of two of the things that weren't really touched in Cragnos in any big way, right? Which is like Skaven blades of corn Right. Yep, and beasts And so then the question becomes, okay, which one of these three kind of Needs the most slash would fit in best with the evolving narrative Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it feels like you've identified that. Yeah, probably that's right And that's also the book that needs the fastest updating because of the march Um the marked beast. Yes, because the marked there because they're losing their mark beasts, right? Right. And so this actually fixes a real problem that they've created for themselves with the The exit of the times, right? So I like so my my gut is that those four books are the first four Okay Now are there more than like are you putting both of these in q3? I dropped them here both in q3 Which would mean they'd have to release by the end of september. Are you saying that both of those drop into this time frame? Yes, I think that I think that we have the The first two books drop in august And I think the next two would drop in The next two will drop in september is what I'm calling. Okay So kind of we go for a pairing slash pairing situation as we've done with many releases like it's become very common that we just Put out two books now Right. Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay. All right. You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna say I ride with those two choices I'm okay with those. Yeah Here's the thing. I think that from there You maybe Maybe get one more book this year Okay, like and and Really with a new edition. You don't think that we get a lot in q4. Nope. I really don't I think you get like one book in october I really do Then I know what book it is. Okay. What do you think? You ready I'm ready man hit me It's the new unified dwarfs The new you see you're going you're pulling the trigger and saying new army q4 new dwarfs, okay, and but but The new part is like It's like gets new. Yeah. Okay. Um, so there's like a handful of units that are new ish Um, so but so my call is this Um, both the ko you can bump forward the ko and the fire slayer book And roll them all into this new book. They're all re-release together. Okay So effectively it's kind of acting as sort of in there. This becomes the oryc work lands of dwarfs is what you're saying Yes, yes Okay, that's what i'm gonna call And it'll and the dwarfs would be like steam punky but more magic oriented like rune magic oriented rather than rather than like Like full on ko, but it would it would be like Magic fuel technology, which is very ko ish. I acknowledge But it'll be a lot of like Golems and ground units and stuff like that complemented by fire slayers Who also will have the same runes and so you'll have a lot of the like visually the aesthetics across the army Yep, we'll share there and then um, and then that's so that so the So the new grungy center with like the rune rune stuff would buy would aesthetically, you know mesh with the The the fire slayers because of the rune stuff and then the tech with the ko Okay And so I think I think that that's the trajectory and that reads into the narrative right because grungy's now involved Like that's part of what's going on here Is that like he has entered, you know, like he's entered the battlefield. Sure Yeah, he's making news now cast. He's he's hanging out with dwarfs. Yep. Sure. Yep And so I think that that's I think that that was what was alluded to and that'll be and so we'll have a technically like another real big army Uh in q3 which is fairly standard like let me point that out like that october time slot It's pretty common to have a new army there. Yeah, sure It's often when we get like it's when we got obr if you look back at the battle tone history It's pretty common to get a bunch of or to get your new army around that time of year They like it as a big pre christmas thing right like dropping a completely brand new force is a good thing to do around october Because then you got a brand new one there for christmas season Like it's that's pretty that's pretty straightforward simple marketing, right? Yep. Okay Counterpoint tom Okay There has been a rumor Oh go on Rumor has it That we will see malarian In q4 of this year and his stuff. What? This has been a rumor that has circulated. Yes From a from a you know quasi reliable source Wow So could our new army in q4 instead of being dwarves Could it be our shadow elves? I bow down like if that's if that's legitimate then sure I mean, I think it's a new army is what i'm what i'm calling And then and when i'm looking at writing on the wall the one army that really does have writing on the wall is the new um Whatever they're called it's the new dwarves. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So that's what i'm saying. Okay. Okay uh Let's let's put a little ore here ore There we go. All right classy That's what we're here for my friend. It's just top notch work top shelf all the way That's what you but you can like layer all the dwarf books underneath that dwarf book Sure because like I think that a lot of Stuff will be rolled in there is what I would say Yeah, you're saving you're saving tons of pages on like battalions and stuff like that The I here here's my here would be my feelings Vince's personal take is I don't want either of these Okay Sure like I couldn't care less about either of these armies now I reserve the right to be blown away by umbraneth or malarian's forces or whatever If they come out and they don't look like elves and they're cool like shadow demons And stuff everywhere with 20 years like they were maybe once elves maybe yeah If they're like weird twisted nightmare creatures that look like that initial Uh, you know malarian picture that we got back in the the core book You know Yep And we've seen malarian pop up by the way the most recent short story that was published did have malarian and Marathi having a sort of heart to heart and it was a very fun conversation With the the two of them and her getting very angry at him and then like cutting his finger off I wonder if that's going to actually persist like did she permanently cut a finger off of him? I hope no, of course not Of course not. I think that'd be cool. Just like I understand he's a god But like hey he had cut by a god. Maybe he can't heal It'd be really neat if he had like nine fingers in some art. That would just be a cool nod Should be nice. Sure. Sure Um If we you know if we got the dwarf book I would want it to be the auric war clan style where each thing retains its own personality But also then you have the ability to put them all together big wall style Right and that and that fixes fire slayers for us. Sure. Um, which is a perennial like Soaring army, I think is what you're looking for there. Well, but like it fixes the hermit our first strike thing Like it like yeah, you can you can get in front of all of that, right? Yep Um, and so I unscrew earthguard berserkers. Yes, right, right Uh, and then the and then the unit shortage that fire slayers suffer is no longer a crisis So Okay It's just hard to see like the neither of these. I mean like it's not like the entire cycle is going to be just completely focused on Gerr, so they'll certainly go You know broader a field Right, then then just that Neither of these armies really have a footprint in Gerr, right? So it's like right right um And and the armies that do tend to have a big footprint in ger I can't imagine they're going to redo anytime soon. That is to say like, I don't think we're getting a new mawtribe's book anytime soon Uh, you know, I don't think we're getting a new son's abamot book anytime soon much to my chagrin Um, but you know, here we are Yeah, uh Okay, okay So, you know to me when I look at that that'd be a pretty solid You know rest of the year, right? You'd basically have like five army books coming out over the sort of Let's call it five ish months. Basically is now a breakdown and they wouldn't actually roll out one a month, right? We'd kind of get them in pairs and then a singlet um Heavy d6 says is dispossessed going to be in it in this imaginary world. We've constructed Of course probably. Yeah, I mean like but either that or they'd all be like one in fours That would be the other way they could do it, right? It could be like here's new fighters players Here's new ko both armies can have one and four regular dispossessed Here's big while you can do it all with all dispossessed in there If I were to take a guess though the one in four wouldn't be dispossessed dispossessed would be able to just slot right in So I would take a guess ko or the one in four Sure, because they're the ones that want to remain independent that are too profit driven to join their friends Right, whereas the other two still have roots and like still have a foot in tradition Right, and so you have basically a huge foot army of all the different dwarf types And then ko sure as the one in four like I could completely see that Okay, all right So and then that explains for the critique that like we recently had a ko book that explains the launch the launch cycle Uh, yeah, okay. We'll see uh, holy hand grenade says are we sure we're getting two a month 40k tried End up going down to one because of coven. No, I don't think we're getting two a month I mean in this in this little strategy here that we've laid out It's one a month with some months having two releasing at a time Which they've shown that they can do right like I mean just recently doc and slanesh came out at the same time so like We can we can still do that they like releasing two aos books at the same time It's been very popular like since 2019 They've done a lot of of of pairing of pairing releases. Yes. They really seem to like that Yep, and frankly, I don't mind it's fine um It it lets them kind of draw a lot of attention in a big way to to aos Yep, the other reason I think five books isn't that crazy is because one would hope By q3 q4 were completely on the other side of this or at least the uk is and you know and and um And they've basically hopefully returned back their new factory is completely up They've solved their distribution issues right like one hopes we get that solved Yep, yep, okay um That's a fingers crossed statement. I openly admit it. Okay, but one but I but I'll be hopeful Okay, I think that's probably the rest of the year if if we get more than five books because they don't They don't tend to release books in december for obvious reasons. It's a bad time to release books Right. Yep. They release like holiday bundles in late november, you know, the big battleboxes and stuff like that That's what you put out. They might release a terrain line in November. Yeah, that's a very common I could see us getting a non battle tome Yep in that period like a wrath of the ever chosen or something like that, you know Like there'll be a new narrative series Yep When aos three starts and we're not going to factor that in because I have no idea what we'd even guess about that But keep in mind there's probably like one to two other Books in this time period here because consider with like when with new 40k they also launched the the Is that a chara dot chara drawn crusade or whatever? I don't know if any things are called But like they had the book of rust and the book of fire or something and you know, whatever, right? um and so to me There's going to be some kind of like narrative. Here's extra rules for your armies also happening alongside of this Right. Yep. Yep And then yes, you've also got stuff like a new underworld season and potential war cry releases like I mean, you know Whatever, it's not like this is all for aos, right? So, okay Um, our our tore issaurus rex. That is a very complicated name I just joined but don't you think sylvaneth will come in 2021? No, I don't because I think that they're going to rely on cragnos to do the heavy lifting for them because we know sylvaneth are going to be in in cragnos because the we've seen the egg launch, you know egg birthing insect birthing egg carrying flute player All right, and and they've mentioned that allaria will have a new scroll in there as well So my guess is sylvaneth are going to get quite a treatment in cragnos And that's basically and they just like okay that that's going to be them for a little while right So that would be my particular feeling On that Uh, all right. Okay. So tom anything else we see in 2021. Oh, let's talk about if we get the malaria army What do you want to see out of a malaria army if we get that? So instead of dwarves we get malaria Weird i'm in for a weird Like and like magical creepy weird not like cow weird, right? Like I want esoteric like I want All of the deep cthulhu weird stuff from idaneth But darker Mm-hmm I want them harnessing the madness of darkness. Yes. Yes. Yes. I want nightmare creatures Yeah, right. That's what I want. I want like dark souls type of just Demon shadow creatures That are just awful and weird and twisted Like the the most horrible imaginations of the things that came out of like, um Uh, jukari or something like that. Yeah twisted through that. We'll do a os lens Right. Yeah as as tidings said Um a os 28 the army. Yeah, that's so good. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 100 percent That's dead. That would be great. Yeah And and you know how it plays I don't care like I really like I would you know The the nice thing to have here if we think about like it's another order book, right? Yep These are both order books So if you know, it's going to be like the deepest darkest order. Okay Yep So if if that's going to be the case Then I want it like At the edge of what order means Right, like malarian is sort of ruling with this. He's he's ruled oogoo. That's a fun thing to say With this like iron fist, right? He's kept chaos More or less out. He's kept the lumineath and then the twins out, right? Even without you know with morathe's help, of course too, but like he He's really sort of in charge of his place Very very much so, right? And I would like to see him have order in this and like with the dark elves you've always had this kind of um Undercurrent of Sort of slavish will Right like so that like the source is having control of their troops and things like that, you know Like having some some sort of mind control of their troops. So I'd love to see order like in the extreme Where malarian is like sort of the darkest side of what order can be right? What happens when there's just When there's no, uh, like they're still living people they still go about their lives But they know that they have to operate within This very tight space Right. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, like you could do like pure obedience like fascist obedience Um, or you could go even darker and go for like a mind control like willing thrall releasing yourself over to The over the like the leader overlord for control And so like control in a very like order Implemented top down in a very literal sense magically. Yeah Somebody said tidings said pure order like an ant colony. Yes. Yes. Oh, that'd be so dark Yeah, you could That feels like the way they should go there Right. Yes unity at any cost, you know peace through war. That's right Okay, so, um Just all a picturing now. It's just like the bad guys from fee for vendetta. So Or fee for vendetta. Yeah, so there you go. Sorry. Um, okay, cool. Let's talk about 2022 What chaos army do we launch the year with tom? That's the question Right, uh, no because new years mean new chaos armies. That's how we start a year at aos. Actually, you know what? Uh, do you want my my desired answer? Or do you want my realistic answer? Why don't you give me both and we'll make a decision? Okay, I think the most logical is neural because how old the book is Like I I just it needs to be updated. Um My first army was a nergal army and actually it was based in gr Like it was a gr based. It was the horde legion Called shot. It's going to be updated in the lore because gw likes to do that now It's not I know nothing, but Uh, gw gw you can make it happen um So nergal just needs to be updated There's a lot of like hangar on rules and a bunch of different resources at this point uh wrath of the ever chosen Broken realms, etc, etc. Sure. And so it would be great if they collected all those in single resource Um, so nergal would be an obvious kind of pick for me and then they can roll those new war scrolls into Um into a single resource Um, that's the boring answer the fun answer Mulder Skaven Skaven but not not like Maybe Skaven update as a whole But with an entire relaunch of the mulder line Okay, where does corn fit into all of this? They don't the question So you're just saying like we're going without corn. We're leaving them on the back burner Like you're just gonna have to They fit in april Of you're going that fast afterward No, I mean, but that's what they always do. We have like two corn books in april Sure April is the time for corn. Yeah, it's true. You're not well. It's always that April that april may window We had both corn and slanesh launch So I I think it could be very possible that we would see that the other alternative instead of corn or instead of nergal sorry Or molder Mulder slash gaven Would be I could see gits dropping in that spot because we've had that happen before Okay, and I think we will have a destruction in this next queue Like I think I think that we are moving. I think q1 we are moving into the world of like this I think most quarters will have a destruction army in it. Let me just say that Like I think that q4 is the exception because they're pushing the new army But I think we'll see a relaunch of gits in q1 Hmm Yeah, the the the nergal slash corn Distinction here is challenging to me. Okay Because nergal has gotten a lot of attention In like broken realms, but as you pointed out, it's gotten a lot of attention in a lot of different places And you could see them wanting to Unify all of that together into a single new tone like they do like doing that Right. Yep. Yep At the same time Corn really does feel like he's just out of the story At this point like he's not showing up in anything. He didn't show anywhere in broken realms Right. Yep So to me what that communicates is so you have this kind of logical pull Right, so I'm gonna say I think corn is actually our start of the year launch Interesting. Okay, and and and here's the thing. I would even go so far as to say um If we if we got slammed with more books this year than we thought It wouldn't surprise me that corn moved up Yeah, okay. Yeah, like he could end up going up this direction Yeah, if it turns out that like, oh no, we we you know, we're gonna have six books instead of five Okay Yep So that that absence of any kind of content Just feels like they're saying hey, we didn't do it because there's a new corn book coming Yeah, maybe and I don't really think like I know a lot of people want what what a lot of people want to make this decision on is the competitiveness of the army Sure, okay, which is not what which means absolutely zero to them Right, but I want to point out that nergal hasn't been updated since the prior edition Yeah, I understand it's still on its aos one book technically right technically Right, I get it like I mean in that time corn got an altar sure like um The my my general feeling is is We've got these two hangers on From aos one still right of eidneth and nergal And I don't know what they do with those Because they've gotten they both got a lot of attention in books in broken realms. Yep. Okay So the question is how much do they consider that? Like the update for that army well the problem is is that those aren't perennial books Sure So like that's going to disappear at some point in time those special release books And so like I think that that that I think that actually bumps up the update itself I think that those narrative books end up serving as like a glimpse into the future much like end times Archeon did and times Archeon like just gave us a glimpse as to where aos was headed Sure Ascendants of Archeon the rulership of corn You know like and then what happened is is aos dropped and then we got all those big releases The blood bound and stuff like that and so I you know, we had just gotten the um the whippy guys the wrathmongers Yes, we got wrathmongers and we also got the the big demons Oh the bloodthirsters the bloodthirsters. Okay friends are working tonight. Sorry trying to think of what corn whippy guy you're talking about They like there's a lot of corn whippy guys There are a lot of corn with surprisingly there are a lot of corn whippy guys um So yeah, so that's like I I think nervel is the shoe in Okay, all right But I could see corn as a possibility. It's just Um, I think that what we saw in broken realms is going to bump stuff down I actually think we will see idk get bumped up Okay, so where does idk fall? In this in this q1 in this q1 That's when we're grabbing our idk update. So boom boom. We're going to stop them in right there I think it's a february release late january early february release. Okay Um, and actually I don't think it's going to release alone um I think at the same time We are going to get At least one. I think gets will probably release around this time So this is when we get our new gets book. We bring these in these so that would be an odd pairing. I'll say that Wouldn't it wouldn't it be weird elves and like but but you could see a box like you could see a dual box, right? That's heavy on beasts sure But I mean it's not like obr and ogres makes any necessary sense either. So like they've sure you know But like putting about like a box full of like squigs and sharks and eels, okay like I don't know beasts and crabs And that's plenty of crab crab action um, the other the other book that I see slotting in either in this q Or in the next would be sylvaneth. I think sylvaneth is going to be up there Yeah, I mean, so This is a it's like if you let me let me throw my q2 picks at you You ready because q2 brings us to the end of the financial year and I think three orders probably will end up getting in q1 That would be pretty aggressive. I think we'll get a singlet and a double release. So like this could be Yep, so my three would be sylvaneth. I agree with you like they're they're screaming to get some kind of attention I think here's where you see nerkel. Okay, I think this is when we find and say, all right, it's been enough We got it. We got to do something with these guys and unify it all together. Okay Yep Uh And then I like I know what I want to be the case, but I don't think it's gonna happen yet I'll I'll talk about what I what I think is gonna happen After that, right, but I think you basically see uh Like maybe cities too Yeah, I see that like a ger-based cities Yeah, I'd expansion cities to electric boogaloo more cities. I love cities, right? Yeah, yep Feeling like the thing that's gonna happen. Those would be my three now what I want to put here more than anything It's okay. It's skaven. I like everything in my soul demands it But I think skaven would actually be hanging out like down here somewhere Like maybe skaven is the next summer release correct because I think it'll be a whole line relaunch Whenever they do it and so I think it'll be Uh, I think it'll it'll be like, you know, like a necron style thing. I stand behind that I just I can't imagine them making another skaven book Not prompted by a real Yeah, that's the line. Yep So Yeah Like so it would be like when I say a new city's a sigmar keep in mind. I don't mean Like take the original city's book updated. I think that one stays. I think this is cities too Just like sort of technically A new army book, but it's going to use all the same troops. Maybe they'll release a few new units Maybe not right But it would just be more cities cities to more cities. We love cities Right. Yeah Um A state of kevin about the hobgoblins. Do you think the femur could ever be included in the army as followers? Do you think the femur will ever get a place? No Simple answer Nope, I think they will leave them relegated to history So there you go. Say that again. Like I think you're saying the old cities. Yes. The old cities. Yeah, the old no No, no no femur. Yeah, they get a lot of femur. Oh, yeah To me, let me tell you why I like this Okay, this this run here Is because the sylvaneth maggotkin combo is the showdown we've been pushing for this is where the narrative is driving This is the showdown of life the explosion of life in gyrann Okay. Yep. So yep, you could switch these around Right, like it could be like here you go. Here's another way this could happen Right, it could be sylvaneth And maggotkin in q1 in a box and blades and eyedneth in q2 or something Right, like that would be like sure I would buy that just as easily The point is is that whenever these two books to me are going to move in tandem sylvaneth and nergal like allorial and nergal are locked in this huge battle Gyrann we know that there's this explosion of life. We know that this is happening. It's a box set that sells itself Right, this one's a slam dunk So whether it ends up being q2 or q1, which I do think this is the like this is a 2022 box set We will you know And the reason I like cities being the other thing in here even though you're like, well, it's two order Well, yeah, but there's like 50 million order armies. So sometimes that's gonna happen, right? The reason I like this as a Concept is because city's easy. It's probably just a book Yeah, yeah, they don't need to update You know kits, right Right So that gets you like your six books in six months, which is again these aggressive strategy, right? But we have to assume that's what they want You know when they kind of had their will in 2019 they did like 12 books in 12 months Right the last time we had a regular production cycle That's what we had Right. Yeah Yeah So I think to me This is kind of the the rotation That makes sense With then like that will but if then by the time we're a year out from the launch There's no more aos one books floating around right Yep We've expanded some armies here in real ways like with the blades We'd have a chance to release some stuff that's not currently available individually or make new kits or whatever right Um with gloom spite We get a chance for them to to basically get an updated book on top of the That really more brings them in line with probably like fixing a lot of the design And maybe and integrating all of the insane material that's kind of been spread all over the place It's now pseudo getting coalesced into um into to uh Other books right whatever. Yep and Uh and then idk same story Right, it lets them bring this stuff forward because by that point the life cycle that you're right that the life cycle of these Broken realms books. They're only going to be on the shelf for so long. They're only going to be in the consciousness for so long Right, so this would let them then move beyond those at sort of Reasonable time frame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah right, so my answer is um That that to me feels good again the one hanger on here that I wish I could place, but I just can't Is scaven, but I think it'll be a really nice in the summer. It feels like a kick off the year big summer box big summer release Scaven who who we're going nuts, right something we preview at like um Maybe a deptagon or whatever, right that it kind of who does scaven pair up with I I don't know. I don't know if they do it all Um, honestly, but if you were gonna if you were gonna pair them with somebody Could be anybody I mean scaven Scaven are the simpsons meme of like, you know, just You know scaven are the enemy of these people and these people and these people and scaven Stupid scaven you ruin scaven, right? Like it's like they fight everybody. So you can just that's what's great about him You could throw them in anything Anything and they would work they could have any enemy Yeah, whatever book you felt like doing you could have scaven as the enemy so, um Yeah, uh Let's talk for just a moment about what we would want to see out of these books because we kind of got them ordered Now let's just let's do some quick hits on our 2022 picks and what we want to see Okay So Blades of corn what do we want to see we've talked about it before we did a whole fixing episode uh Super heroes that go forward and test themselves in combat Get rid of the holy within it should be a much less synergistic army And more an army of like people trying to constantly prove themselves and getting in fights and dying and the the strong surviving Right, like have more non-leader heroes That kind of concept. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I'd be in for that Uh, I'd net Just combine everything that's there and bring their rules up to to 2.0 And probably wheel some of the stuff back like finally make bring thralls up bring eels down Okay, probably pretty good. Yep. So there you go Um, Scott big it says new scaven battle box bolder versus eshen. Yeah, exactly like you could do that You could do a battle box Of just scaven with two different scaven armies fighting each other I mean, I don't hate that. Yeah I could even see a scaven versus corn Sure, sure. Again. Yeah. All the rest of chaos hates scaven. So fine Um, yes. Oh also in boc, um, some people said like bloodthirsters should be scary again Yes, I definitely agree with that like move them up 100 points and make them appropriate for a for a 380 point monster Right or something. I I want greater demons should be like should just they should just start with saying Okay, greater demons are 400 points. What rules do we need to write to make them worth that? Be fun, right? That's what they should be at. Yeah Like in the sweep of the game when you look at what greater demons should be they should be 400 points Now write rules to make them hit that number Because they're greater demons like that should be the place they occupy Right Okay, uh gloom spite. I mean get rid of keyword bingo, right? Is that Bring everything together and eliminate keyword bingo Yeah, they you just need to remove like one tier of keyword bingo Sure, is there like three different tiers of it at least? Um Uh, fix the bad moon Sure, I don't I don't know what that means but fix it Uh It probably means that it affects, uh So yes, I do remember how scary bloodthirsters were in one or fourth and fifth editions That's my story playing and most of my games began with my opponent going I fly high And me being like, okay. Well, I guess I'm dead pretty soon then go ahead No, I mean so maybe uh with the moon the moon affects the entire battlefield, but you're you're determining intensity like whether there's cloud cover or not cloud cover I don't know But the idea being that like it just sucks To not actually get your mechanic because all of your mechanic ties to a moving moon Sure. Yeah, I mean yes, give them real allegiance abilities that can actually occur in Right in in round one of the game. Sure. It's a crazy idea. It's crazy. You know, it just might work, Tom I can't imagine. Yeah Yeah um For sylvaneth like, uh Honestly Since we don't know what exactly is happening in cragnos. It's kind of hard to tell Right. Yeah, but like sylvaneth Need to have some kind of actual personality And I think they're just always going to be dragged down by the woods My honest answer is sylvaneth are always going to be a really really difficult army to do Because I don't think they're ever going to get rid of the woods Yeah, like beyond what like you're saying getting getting rid of the like multi base wood situation correct Which should just be fired off the roof. It should be a single terrain piece He set up one woods at the beginning of the game and then you spend the rest of the game turning existing terrain pieces into wild woods Causing them to be overgrown and then you can teleport to them. That's the easy fix We've talked about it for a million years on this show like we have been saying it four years And they they could have done it in the last sylvaneth book and they didn't and I don't think they ever will and that's going to mean that like sylvaneth are always kind of an annoying army Because they always have this really terrible mechanic Like just at the heart of the book is a rotten mechanic Yeah I hope they get the bravery to kill that it's terrible and it holds the book back It makes people not want to play that army actively It's true because to take it to a tournament or to my friend's house or to the store Not only do I have to pack up a lot of fiddly fragile models In dryads and the revenants and stuff But then I also have to get like a whole separate box to bring my potentially like You know 15 woods pieces I need Yeah, okay It's just toxic and I wish they would realize it And it makes the army hard to balance Because Needing to set those up in between existing terrain, which of course you do right if you're if you're gonna start adding crap to the board Right, it's not fun to play against. It's fiddly and hard to play against. They're one of the worst terrains to move around and to interact with Okay And if you play on heavy train boards as you should be as we talked about in last night's show Congratulations. Sylvaneth always suck Yeah, right So It just feels like they need to do the bold thing here. So I'll I'll restate that like Uh Fix the woods. That's the number one thing I would want to see if you fix the woods right You've got potential here You know have the army actually play let them be sort of a jack of all trades where they can do a lot of different things But then just clearly kind of slightly up the power level across the boards. They're maybe so they're more playing in the middle space Right. Yeah, and there there are more like stronger control army um Yeah, and people saying in the comments the woods are a hundred percent the reason why we don't like them Steve earner saying major headache on the holy avatars tables. Yeah, exactly If you're playing with the appropriate amount of large terrain, which you should be because it makes your games good and makes it So shooting isn't actually a problem It makes your games interesting then Uh, the answer is sylvaneth are bad Because you have nowhere to set up woods in anywhere valuable Yep So there you go I so like please gw hear me Okay Fix this nonsense. It's may if my timing is right here. We have a few months Until a sylvaneth book gets locked So, please fix this Okay. Yeah Yeah All right, uh maggot kin. I don't know that we need to do much with them I Honestly, they're pretty solid. I can solid solidate all the rules Yeah, put them all in one book bring everything together Get rid of battalions integrate that stuff into and I'm assuming with all of this like with the key battalions right now Those rules all roll into the core Um Thanks. Yeah Yes, like roll all of the rules together Slightly adjust the points appropriately and good Uh chaos spawn said are we in agreement that the gaming board is going to be reduced to the 40k size? Yes A thousand percent like I don't I don't know that for sure But I know that for sure You know like yep I would bet a paycheck on it. I'll tell you that much Okay So there you go and then cities I just want to see them explore new cities Give me six seven new cities other places in the realms. Give me the guy ran gr and What what other realm do you want tom? What's what's our what's our maybe those of it too because we only got uh, I guess we got guy ran and oxy before right So maybe another guy ran city Gr and shamo. There you go. That's what I'd want to see That would be cool If we had malarians stuff, I could see old Otherwise, I think dwarfs will be based in shamo fair enough. So how about match the city to the dwarf or malarian release? Yeah, there you go. I think there's more in guy ran you could do like I understand we have some guy ran cities But there's there's more cities. They haven't done yet. So Yeah, like on the map, there are more cities I think it'd be a cool place to keep exploring if it's going to be like where the major action is happening at that moment So yep, that's all. Yep. Yeah, I think shamo would be awesome. I would love to see some shamo cities Um, I just think that's so cool Shimon has like always been the coolest realm to me So the the shining city if you are sure absolutely Um Yeah, I I do wish some people have mentioned shahish I I would love to see like a neat take on a shahish city now that now that uh, negash is busy Licking his wounds and reconstituting himself for a thousand years. Maybe we got olfengarn, right? Yeah, sure exactly sure. Yeah, that's a city I could see that Well, no, that's in what the one book, right? olfengarn Olfengarn. No, we don't have city rules yet. No like The people in Cursed city the heroes are from olfengarn, but there's no olfengarn rules at this point. I could swear we had olfengarn rules No, I wish we would tom, but we don't Hmm and yes, that would be a great shahish city So maybe just scatter them around maybe instead of like last time we had them all together. Maybe we do a smattering Yeah, it'd be neat. That'd be cool Um, so yeah, I mean to me I would I would I would love to see this kind of that that continued exploration And and again cities is one of those books to me when I look at something like nirgle or cities, you know Uh, these are books that are just sort of right in the sweet spot of kind of, you know power level of where I'd want them to be Yeah Like where the game should be operating Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right the problem is that these are nice to come up. They don't They don't We we can't stop saying every time a book comes out. They're like, oh, well, it's not as good as seraphana This kind of stuff. Yeah, you're right. And that's a problem. Like we're gonna talk about that a lot next week What we need to do is like seriously take a baseball bat to the kneecaps of like seraphon and idk and disciples zinge hard I I agree Yeah, like we just and like doc by the way too, like I just line them up and I'll just walk down the line just Right, just We they need to come down a serious peg. You're leaving ko, right? Uh, ko price needs some small point adjustments into a couple units. Really. I think that's all And you shut your mouth You shut your mouth. Did you see that you did you see ko's pairings against other like high tier armies? Like when you get up there, they have like a 30% win rate. Yeah, yeah, I understand of course like again the um The the that's why I said very minor with ko like really I mean light touch and honestly my biggest thing I'd want to fix is like spell in a bottle needs to go. It's it's toxic and stupid I don't know what you're talking about. I have a model bill for that It's toxic or it's stupid So like if we just bring the power level of that stuff down Honestly, we'd be in an amazing place in the game right now Right because we have these like four or five armies. They're just kind of bad performers They're just they're just they're out of whack Like lrl is probably in that mix baseball bat to them as well. Take that, but I just don't think there's like The you know Or without giving them a new book, which none of those deserve We either have to we have to do it through a combination of f aqs and Uh points adjustments. So like yeah, we've got to over cost some of these things That's just the world So, uh, there you go Okay How do you fit tom if this were to be the year this scene? We've constructed here right if this is the first year of aos 3 Yeah, how you feeling It's interesting. Yeah I like yeah, it's it's non-standard We'd have in this cycle Right, we would end up having like the real challenges. We would end up having like five order books in this year Yep One death book Right. Yep, but death just had its entire line updated. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, we'd have three chaos books Right. Yep And then two destruction Yeah, maybe that's right because you know, we're we're leaving behind the age of death. We're going into life Yep in chaos or in destruction. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that feels right Yeah, so to me This would feel like a pretty good year It would feel like we hit all the notes we needed to hit when I look at what's left over on the right side As I said, I think the only one that stands out in my mind just gave it So, yeah, all that looks fine. Yeah And I think we had a chance to do some fun stuff here I can imagine by the way Like as I'm sorry, I could imagine that some of these cues have a fourth book Sure, like that we yeah Yep, I agree because the reality lots we haven't filled here yet where they could end up doing like Here's two books and here's two books. Right. Yeah You should expect I would expect at least one aos book a month on average Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm on average. And so what that means is that we're right now um a little We're right at that potentially are a little under it So I could see that potentially um being a possibility of like for example in q1 You have a january and february releases here. You don't have a march release Yeah, sure Which maybe maybe not right so right and that's what I'm saying Like I could potentially see another another release Yeah Um Yeah, scott picket. No, I don't think we do I think death would be like if I think of you fix night haunt death would be in a pretty good place like The death books all feel pretty fine like obr. Yep fine sole blight. Yep boilers for next week. It's pretty fine Uh, you know, um flesh eater courts pretty fine like Yep, all these are good. I don't I don't want to make books for no reason I mean they will because they have to sell they have to make money. That's the point But I wouldn't I'm not excited for that. There's one kind of floating rumor We didn't touch which is the rumored in addition to this malaria rumor floating around. Yeah Yep, there's also a rumor of a couple new kits and something coming for war clans That we don't know the delivery method for that Interesting does necessarily mean a new book Right, it wouldn't surprise me is what I would say because I think we are going to be heavy in the destruction armies That's my that's my vote at least Yeah I see uh, I see cw kriner doesn't agree with me on sole blight being fine. I think it is fine I think it's actually good even but we'll get into that next week Uh, so that'll be a fun show. I know there's some differences of opinions out there But uh, yeah, I think it's going to be that one's going to be a fun one to discuss um All right What do you think? What did we miss? What books do you want to see? 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