 Another great episode of Broken Play. Man, we got a special guest in the building, so without further ado, we got Jamal Crawford in the building. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Honest to be here, honest to be here. Yeah, so I talk basketball, they don't take my take serious. So we had to bring an NBA legend in here for y'all to start. I understand that we know what we talking about, because when me and Marcel Adon might say something, it go over their head. So I told them LeBron was going to win the N-Season Tournament. Yeah, they said no. A lot of people, they ain't see it coming. I didn't have the legs. I had a losing to Phoenix first round, honestly. I had Phoenix if they had matched up, but it was going with the Pacers. They was definitely going to win that. So look, with the N-Season Tournament, how you feel about that, though? You think it's good for the... Yeah, it's good. Actually better than I thought it was. I thought I'm like, it's a regular season game, but they changed the courts. And more importantly, the competitiveness picked up. Yeah, they started playing hard. They started hooping for real. So for me, that was dope to see, because that's all, especially dudes that played, not even just in the league, just period playing that long. You want people to compete. So seeing that again was dope. And then you seeing a lot of people who weren't taking games off. So it was like, they weren't getting money. They trying to get that money. Yeah. They want that bread. They trying to get that bread. After the Lakers game, LeBron said they were asking me to get the bread. I voted what he said, though. He said he wanted to win it for the young guys. That was dope. Yeah, that was dope. In the same Senate, LeBron, if you didn't just give it to him, that shit would've hurt. You got it, right? Yeah. He got it. It would hurt you. LeBron with that 500 too. There you wanted to. Yeah, he could do something with it. So look, Anthony Davis. A lot of people give him a lot of slag. Anthony Davis looked like a machine out there. He showed up. The show. What you got to say? You right, but I mean, AD is talented. And that's what's dope about him. And I think that's why everybody wants to see him when he's playing like this year. Can't nobody mess with him? Right. But how often are we going to see him play like that? Yeah, why can't he be consistent? When we know you, you know what I'm saying? So what are we doing? Yeah. That's the only thing with me. And any talent thing with him, it's just like, LeBron shouldn't have to be the best player at 39 years old in the world. Right. At 39. You know what I'm saying? At 39. That's crazy. That's a gift. And we're all blessed to be able to see it every night that he's still doing like that. But that's tough. That's too much. He passed the team to you. Yeah. Every night you got to be there. So with them making that, you know, with the end season tournament, how that was, do you see what the team they have constructed now moving on like they could, they could win the championship with that team? They could, but I still see them struggling to play off. Like I still think when Phoenix is right, we ain't seen them healthy yet. I think when they right, I think when Denver starts rolling because now they know how to win. You know what I'm saying? Before they try to figure it out. Now they know how to win. Yeah. And they can probably coasting until it's time to play off. So it'll still be tough. But they ain't no cakewalk, but they'll be right there. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you. I slept on Joker. I did too. Man, I'm lying to you. I'm like, man, the playoffs, they going to put him in so many pick and rolls. Yeah. It's in that, but my man is, he's so smart. I said this last year, I was at the finals. I said this last year. He's so smart. He's not even playing against the players he's playing against. He's playing against the coach. Max. What's he going to throw at me? Because I got something else I'm going to conjure up. Like he's so dope. We ain't seen them like him. He got a counter for everything. Yeah, everything. He's playing, like we say somebody's playing chess, he's truly playing chess. He's playing a whole different game. And he's at peace. Like he don't make hurry decisions. Yeah. You do this, I do this, brother. Yeah, you can't speak as much. My man is at peace with his game. Right. But you know, like, I ain't going to say, like he quick, but he not fast. So it was like when I would see him on the court and stuff like that, I'm like, they can't stop that shit. But then when you see it like. It's the old man at the park. Yeah. Thanks. You know what I mean? It's the old, I'm small in everybody. So I'm playing a different game of you. I'm showing you now that the mind is to physical, is to one, like it's stronger than just a physical ability. He's playing a whole different game. So if you can't, if you got the best athletes in the world and they can't speed him up and he's still getting 35, my man's so cold he don't even want to score. Scoring is the last option for him. Like he's getting everybody. He's doing that on wheels. In the past. I guess I'll get 30. And he's a little bit stronger and he's a little bit meaner. He's just, he's that deal. He's all time great already. He's that deal and he be like, man, I'm not even trying to play him. I'm just trying to be home and. Bro, he's my worst son also. Yeah. Yeah. Like he, who knows what he's actually working on. But my man is cold. Joker cold. 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Easy. Easy. So look, did you see when Paul Pierce said that he didn't think LeBron top five in the league? You saw it too. You saw it too. You saw it too. I'm just saying, like, what you think? I mean, you on some? I'm watching LeBron right now. At best off right now, like what we just saw, how can you not say he not top five? Like, I get it when you say like, and be honest. Of course they are, but it's like, are you really taking them over Bronn right now? Right. I can't, I can't. He giving you the win to win. He giving you the win to win. He giving you the nation's defense. The man. He's the smartest guy in the country. I'll answer like this. I'll answer like this. You could say, like you said, you could say, you know, NB, Giannis, Luca, all the Tatum, or having like, statistically, you could say, statistically, you could say, those five are having better seasons. But if it's a playoff and I got to go win to your point, nah, he's top five. None of them are more valuable. Nah, and a playoff when it matters, there's no doubt. Because if I was doing the top five, my top five, it wouldn't include a lot of them because I still, I'm not Count KD out. KD's having such a quietly great season. One of the best seasons he's ever had. With assists? He's shooting 50, 50, 90s. I'm going to tell you what KD's doing, bro. KD is playing perfection basketball. What I mean by that is this. Every play is the right play. He could have 40. Most guys eat myself. I get 40. I'm trying to get 60. You know what I'm saying? He's like, no, he's open. Let me give it to him. He's playing perfection basketball. So, and it made Booker better too. When Booker was out, he's watching him play perfection. Right. I ain't got to take always tough shots. I can get an easy one. This is what we're going to do to win. My score is going to be easier. So, he's doing that. Bro, he's made Achilles look like ankle injury. People forget he had Achilles the way he's playing. And the way he's played since then. Don't forget what he did with Brooklyn against when his toe was on the line. Yeah. He was the best player in the world at that moment. Even before Carvey requested to trade, they was playing great, bro. Like KD was having another monster year. So, let's go back to before he got hurt, before he went to Brooklyn, what he was doing. That was a two-time finals MVP. And let's call it spade to spade. That second championship, he wasn't even tripping on getting finals MVP and he still got it because he was that dog. He had to get it. Come on, bro. So, if you look at this like five, six-year run, oh, let's go before that. Now he's what? Okay, see, we know what he was doing in. He had, he was coming off MVP. He went to the finals at 23. Like, bro, he's the top. Whatever you want to put, player, dot, dot, dot. Whatever you want to put. If you going straight, scared, like you, and a lot of people be having emotions and shit. All the time? He's top ten all the time. He is, all right. Easy. He's my top ten. Yeah, he's my top ten. Easy. So, look, this off-subject, a lot of people, so, you know what I'm saying? I know you a fan of the game, you know the craft and all that. Larry Bird, you taking Larry Bird or KD? I'm saying KD. But I'm going to be honest with you. It took me a while for people to, for, not people, it took a while for, yeah, for people to actually pass Bird, in my opinion. For real? Oh, so you had him up there? Yeah, yeah. Bird's like that, man. Bird, it made me help save the NBA. Oh, yeah, I don't, but you know, like, watching documentaries, it shouldn't have to take for me to watch a documentary, but when I started watching Winning Time. Oh, Bird was, yeah, I was like, oh, this is for you. Bird was beyond cold. Like, beyond cold. Yeah. Ask Dominique, you guys ever get Dominique Wilkins, he's a legend. Ask him, ask him. Why don't you ask him? Ask him stories about Bird. Bird getting 60, telling him, I might shoot right there, right there, right there. Doing a lot of stuff in the post. Yeah. Bro, come on. Bird, yeah. But now in this league, you know what he would do in this league? What? Well, you could shoot threes, and you could space, he would be a power four, so you could space the court and shoot threes. He said he wouldn't kill. Bird wouldn't kill in this league. He'll be more skilled. Bro, Bird, you know what I'm saying? But look, athleticism, he got all that. We just saw that with Joker. Joker don't get it. We just talked about athleticism. Yeah, you're right. We see it low key with Luca. Luca, the most athletic. Yeah. Hey, you know why I like Luca, though? He talked that shit to you though. But you know why Luca is so good? Why? He been a pro since he was 15. That's the best we got kids reclassing. He playing grown man at 15. Man, a head. So when I get with my age group, this is a joke. And I'm not saying it was to that level for me, but that's what I did. Ask Damon when he comes in here. I was playing against him at 16. That was the best training method I'm gonna get. These is pros. So when I get with my team, I'm like, man, I don't even see y'all. I don't even see you guys. Luca's been doing a pro since 15. So like, what you watching the game? Luca play like he got headphones on. Like he in his own zone. You can't do nothing with him. You can't speed him up. You can't do none of that. He control the game. He controls everything. He's got a win now. So what you watching the game, how it is now? Like, I know, like, even with you, I know you can still go out there and play. I could. Yeah, like easily. But it's like, do you want to still at this point? Nah, honestly, I coach kids and we just, we just, I was just telling the sale. We just had a, so we're in the May Hoops League. It's like the middle school, UIBA. Got you. And we just had a tough, like draw and we went three in one. So everybody's kind of like talking about us more. But I get more joy out of that than anything. And I never saw myself as a coach ever. I got offered MBA job coaching, college job coaching. I never saw myself as a coach. But it's so much more tool with these kids. Like you're kind of setting the foundation for their life. Like in basketball and without basketball, just like life period. And that's, it's the greatest thing. Maybe basketball wise, like there's nothing I could do to replace playing. But this is the best thing. If you told me I could talk a game seven on TV, I can go play in a game seven or I can coach in the May Hoops. I'm going to coach in May Hoops. For real? No doubt about it. Yeah, that sound like Dion. Dion said this ain't nothing. It's not even close. Yeah. And it took me forever to get there though. Because I would wake up days depressed. I brought this hat 51 points off the bench in five assists in my last game and I can't get a job. Right. Two years before that I won teammate of the year. I couldn't even watch basketball for a minute. I'm breaking news on him. I'm giving y'all a lot. But I'm just saying. Yeah. Like for real, for real. So I'm like, man, I couldn't even watch basketball. All right. So do you, because we know politics and everything. Yeah. So you think like it'd be politics and certain types of stuff like that? For sure. But you, well I don't know. But it like, I don't, you know. No, so it took me, and you know what? If you asked me this on day 97, I couldn't answer it. It took me a while to get to this answer. To understand. So what it was, was looking back. All right. And I'm not saying I'm a superstar by no means, but I have a following for sure. Right. Thanks. I got the culture with me. So if you bring me in on a team, and you know I can still play, but there's a young guy you want to develop, there's going to be a legion of fans or riders like, hold up, if you say you're trying to win, why this dude ain't playing? That's pressure on them that they don't need. You know what I'm saying? Like we need to let him develop. We need to let him rock out. Because now if you go out there and score 10 points in 10 minutes, they're going to be like, why he ain't playing? That's a distraction. You don't want that. To the coach, to the organization, all that. You're not supposed to be at my age that I was when I was playing. You're supposed to be a mascot or a coach in uniform. Haddon, like, uh. That ain't going to say no name. I'm just saying in general. Not that deep. What? I'm saying you're supposed to be like, I'm supposed to be a guy that never suits up, who's just in the suit, but I'm giving games to the young player. Morale guy. I'm supposed to be a Morale guy. All right. I'm supposed to be a coach. With coach once, I'm supposed to get that message to that young player. You know what, I'm supposed to be a vet. Right. You're not supposed to be like that at that age and still be able to score 50. Like you can still go crazy like, whoa, wait a minute. Hold up, bro. My high score month. We might got to pay him. My high score month in my career came when I was 39. I averaged 31.66 off the bench in a month at 39 years old. So that tells you like. That was with the net? No, no. So the net was the very last game. I'm going to tell you about that game in a second, but with Phoenix. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But with the nets, I hadn't played in a game in 16 months because I went the whole year without playing, right? Yep. Without signing. The reason I got the call was because COVID people. Yeah. But also that's part of the reason I got hurt because I wasn't, I usually play five and five. Let's tell you, we play five and five. I play five and five all the time. But with COVID, you couldn't be around people like that. So I'm just by myself shooting. Still not thing I'm actually going to sign. I'm 40 years old now. I practice the first day I get the call. I practice the first day of the net. So I'm like, ooh, I got getting shaped. Second, third, fourth day. I'm having like unbelievable practices. I go in the weight room, get hurt in the weight room. Everybody knows, knows me. No, I don't lift weights at all. But here I am. One another chance. I can't be like, oh, I'm coming, but I don't lift weights. Like, are you going to do what the team do? Right. All good. I hurt myself in the weight room. Come back fast forward. So I miss a week and a half. I come back. I work out two days. I'm like, I'm ready to come back. And it was weird when I was on the court with people, and I came back against the Bucs. And I asked if you guys ever talked to Jack Vaughn. I said, you sure you want to come back against him? Because at the time, they were the best team in the bubble. I said, I want to come back against him. I want to come back against the Bucs. I want to come back against them. I want to come back against them. I was just like, I come back. I have five points, three assists, and six minutes. And I start seeing the look again. This was the most important thing to me. I start seeing the look again when people regard me like, no, you got it. I said, oh, yeah, I'm coming back. I'm coming back. I swear, I promise to God, I start seeing the look again. Because that crossover that you got, like, bro, it'll matter. It'll matter. I don't know. It's the crossover, but it's also the fact I can shoot off. Yeah, bucket. It's a bucket. It's the end. You don't know what you're going to do. No, you don't. And then, with the rules now, you can't touch a person. So physically, and think about logically, if I can dribble and I can shoot and you can't touch me, it's like guarding the ghost. How are you going to guard me? If you can't be physical with me, and like, you know what I'm saying? Like, how are you going to guard me? Right. Are you taller than most guards? Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know. So now, what I've eliminated was, it wasn't even the fact that you guarded me. Now you're like, I don't want to be embarrassed, bro. I know you're going to score. It's like, if I've eliminated, taking out your mind, you can stop it from scoring. Now it's about how not to be on YouTube or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like social media and viral clips, because it's different now. You can tell me in the game. It ain't the same. For sure. So when you saying like, so, say for instance, how James Harden just went to the clip. Yeah. So a player like him, because when you say a game, like you really can't touch them and stuff like, what do you rank him? As in like, you know, one of those type of players. All time? Yeah. All here at the top. You average 35 one year? Listen, bro, before we get into this, we have this debate every week. You don't really like Harden. We are on the side of James Harden is a top five shooting guard of all time. He's not. Okay. So that's a better debate. And this is why you got Jordan, you got Kobe, you got D-Wave, you got Jerry West. Who else you put in there? Never even mentioned Jerry West. We never. I got A.I. I got A.I. I know. You got A.I. We take Jerry West out. We put A.I. And Harden. We put A.I., D-Wave, Kobe, Mike, and Harden. Who else is next? Some people say T-Mac. Ooh. I've always said T-Mac at three and I've always said T-Mac. My argument always is two debates. It's like, it's legacy and it's talent. If you're going to say legacy, yeah. Some people have a better legacy than other people. If you're going to say talent, then that's a different conversation. So hold on, since you said that, who's more talented, harder than T-Mac? Who's more talented and harder than T-Mac? I think T-Mac probably is a little more talented. Oh, really? I think James Harden is a skill. He just, his skill is just what was and still is, like, you know what I'm saying? Up there, but talent. Talent, I got T-Mac too. But the thing about it is, the hardened situation is interesting because he's so dominant, but it takes a special player to play with him. What I mean by that is mentally, you got to know you're going to stand in that corner from maybe six possessions in a row. And Harden, this is not knocking on Harden because Harden is good enough to carry you. He's done it, he's proved it. But it's just an interesting dynamic with the other four shooting guards, it wouldn't like that as much. I agree. You know what I'm saying? So if he won a championship, like almost like the Curry thing, like what people talk about Steph, because remember before, it was like seven seconds or less in Phoenix. I don't work in the playoffs. You can't win this jump shooting team. All right. They win it, changed everything. Exactly. So if Harden had won it, it's a different conversation. That, I agree. Yeah. His style changed the game though. Same way you just said with Steph. Right. Like, see how you have Harden, you have follow-ups like Luca. So... I got killed on social. I said Luca is Houston Harden. Exactly the same thing. They're like, no, he was in the mid-range. I'm like, you're getting too specific. I'm not saying he doesn't, I'm not saying he posts more and Harden does this more. Step back, whatever. Right. I'm saying the way they attack, systematically is the same. And they control the game. They control the game. It's their pace. It's you have to ask special people around them as well. Like, it's the same outcome. And what's interesting is going to be, is Luca is going to be looked at of Harden. If he gets to 30 plus, it doesn't get to the fight. They're trying to build the Dallas team around them. That's the conversation. Right, right. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. You know, Zion been getting a lot of heat. You know what I'm saying? They saying he got to shave and stuff like that. With me, I do think. Man, he ain't in New Orleans. You expect him to eat down there? Bro, that's cool. Benyeas and everything. I'll be waiting on Benyeas when I was going down there. Which is Lev New Orleans. See what I'm saying? Bro. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? The Gator bikes, the red, the red. Bro, they have food that you may be like, I'm going to try that po' boy in Greece. Like, hey, hey, hey. Bro. It might take one back with you. Where do you come from? Like, yeah. But with Zion, they were like preparing. They saying he could be, but like, what boy do they want from them though? Consistency. That's all. I think. He been balling. He's been balling. Yeah, he's been balling. Yeah, he's been balling. He's been balling. He's been doing this good. These conversations didn't happen until he fumbled the end season tournament. He looked bad. Against the ladies. That game. But other than that, then they were balling. Hey, bro, LeBron was clicking. The whole team was clicking. But to me, I think, to be honest with you, I think it goes before all that. Zion was looked at to be the next savior. Exactly. And they feeling like let down on that. And that's what the thing is. That's the dangerous thing about media. We all in media, but we got to really be real about it. They create people to get everybody excited. They build you up to tear you down. That's just the way it goes. And that's what makes LeBron so special in a different way. Because he was on the cover of sports. He was set up for failure. Yeah. And he, he was set up for failure. He was set up for failure. He was set up for failure. He was set up for failure. Yeah. And he ain't, man, he's took it and said, I'm taking everybody else with me. Like, you know what I'm saying? So Kudos to him, but Zion was set up for failure. And like you say, he's having a great season. But if he didn't have so much, I'm going to give you an analogy in a second. If he didn't have so much pressure and hype on him, it'd be like, oh, I was one of the next stars. But we crowned him so early and said he was the next one so early. Bro, how he was working in high school and doing that in Duke. Shit, I thought he was too. But the analogy is this. If a first round pick, a top 10 pick, after just 10 points, you're like, man, he was a bus. But if a second rounder, after just 10 points, you're like, oh, he's a jewel. He was in the same draft. Like Joker, Joker was taking round. In the same draft. But it's the light they put on you. So now they can, you know, they can carve you up. But that comes with it. That comes with it. He was in the same draft with John Morant. So John Morant, he could play back. He could start playing December 21st. It's going to be his first game. What you think about John Morant? You think, because you know, time away, you know, get acclimated back to the game. But he's still a great player. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, he's a great, he's a stud player. And he's, what's crazy about Jai is we see all the dunks. And obviously everybody sees that. The kids love him. We love him. But he's actually a basketball subline. I mean, our first soldier, I'm like, damn, he's a mix between Chris Paul and Derrick Rose. You know what I'm saying? Because he actually knows the game. He makes his teammates better. He got all them paid. Yeah. But the difference with him coming back is two things. One, he's been working out the whole time. So it won't be like that adjustment. And it's not like he's coming to a team where he has to fit in. Like, nah, let's go. Yeah. Be back. Let's go. Yeah. True. You just hope Memphis had more wins before he came back to stay in condition. Yeah. So it could be like, we still, the train had been moving. Right. Right. And they still make it on a crazy one. They used that emotion and all that. But Jai is special. Yeah, for sure. So you think the war is over with? But they got to make some trades. And when I say that, I ain't going to say, I'm going to reword it. I ain't going to say over with it. But what I'm saying, are they the same warriors if they don't make a trade? Can they compete with the team they have now? They can compete. I think they win it with the same team now. Because what happened was the warriors didn't get worse. Everybody's got better. And younger. And what they did was they start playing the Warriors style. Nobody was playing the Warriors style when they came in. We used to scrim, we used to play against them. And when we scoured them, we couldn't because they're random. You know, I'd be like, oh, here come that pin down play. Here come whatever. You can do that with 99% of teams. With them, there's no plays. Right. It's all reads. So you can't really be a factor with the Warriors if you don't have IQ because you got to make these reads split second. You know what I mean? So I don't think they've gotten worse. I think other people have gotten better. Denver won playing a random style offense. Joker, okay, pick and roll, pass, pass, read. Like they're not really scouting. You know what I'm saying? That's why they kind of play like that. And so other teams have done that and they've taken their style and they're a little bit younger and, you know, and they won four championships. So they hungry too. You know what I'm saying? So it's just, they ain't done, but they still, they need to make something happen. Based on what's out there and, you know, other teams, what's the move you will make that will improve them? I would somehow get more scores if you go back and look. And there's some, there's some crazy vets out there right now. T.J. Warren's not signed. Isaiah Thomas is inside. Yeah, there's another one like, bro. Jaylen Noel, who averaged double figures for Minnesota. He just got a 10 day, right? But I'm just, but I'm saying he was on a playoff team, averaged double figures off the bench. He wasn't signed. There's so many talents like that that can help you in this pinch, but I think they need to do that to provide more spacing. Because Steph, when he went out, I think he missed his first game or whatever back a few weeks ago. Nobody at that point scored 20 points on the two sides. Except Sarge. Sarge was on the one. But he did it that night. Steph was out. Yeah, exactly. Like nobody had done it while he was playing. So they need more scoring because I'm looking, watching the game, I caught that game. I'm like, hold up, this is the least amount of space I've seen the Warriors had in like 10 years. That's what makes them special. They can space you out, attack you, you can't double, they got shooters everywhere. Gotcha. Yeah. Jordan Poole, I felt like they was gonna miss Jordan Poole. And I think they missing him. Like Jordan Poole, I don't think he want to be in Washington. So my take on that is this. It came down to Draymond or Jordan. And not because of the fight. It came down with who fit better with Steph at the end of the day. Steph needs Jordan, but he really needs Draymond. Draymond. Draymond the motor, he's the moderate, a lot of reasons. He's a bullying leader. He's the leader, like leader. He's the thinker on the court. He takes Steph. Like you run around, do what you do. I'm the point guard. You know what I'm saying? So think about it. The money Jordan assigned for what? A hundred? Yeah. A hundred plus. You got it. What did you bring my sign for? A hundred. A hundred. I think Poole got like what, 130 man? Yeah, 140. Yeah, something around there. Sheesh. But his contract essentially replaced his, but it was about to me. I don't have no inside info, but to me it was who fit better with Steph over the next four years. You know what I'm saying? Like do you think they'll regret not moving off of Clay instead of Jordan Poole? Nah, because at the end of the day, let's say you don't win again. Clay is helping you four championships. Got to stay loyal to Clay. You got to be loyal. At the end of the day. Clay got to leave on his own. They can't move Clay out of there. So does he deserve another contract? Yeah, he got to take care of him. But is this his year for the company? It's not going to be a super max. Think about it. No, it may not be. But it got to be respectable to him. Not to us, to him. Because at the end of the day, they're paying dudes $130,000. And how many wins the Wizards got? Four, maybe six. How many wins did Detroit got? And they pay Coach Williams. I'm just expecting to get almost $80 million. They're on a 20-game losing streak. So my point is, if that's the case, we got, we owe Clay. Clay helped us get four championships. Not only that. This a loyalty check. A loyalty check, but also a check. And this is what people got to realize. Now a loyalty check for sure. He helped us bring four championships. But the third piece is, the Splash Brothers helped change basketball. So you brought a whole new fan into the game. And we know where you're going if you leave us. You're going to the Lakers. Yeah, they don't want that. Right. They don't want that at all. Like they helped bring business in basketball before kids like that. Got a new arena off of that. I got to be 69. I got to be 16. I got to jump through the sky. Yeah, when you're seeing somebody like stuff. No, I work on your game. Like believe me. I work on your jumper. And because SGA, now he could hook. Man, hey, I slept on him because it was my buddy Vince. And he was saying, he was like, he would take SGA over John Marin. I said, boy, you, like you smoke. Then when you start watching the person more, I'm like, oh, this is cold. That's another one. There's few guys that play like they have headphone. He's another one. Yeah. You can't bother. You can't smooth. Hey. But the difference with him is, and it's interesting for 30-point scores. The difference with him is he doesn't ruin the rest of their growth. I talked to their coach when we interviewed him. And he's like, he's just a part of the program. They run it like a college. So he's just part of the program. Chet, you can still do your thing. Do it. Shoot your shots. J.Dubb, handle the ball, do your thing. And he had a quote. And he said, we got Jordan here. And I screenshotted because I send different quotes in my group chat with my parents. Got you. He said, if Michael Jordan had to get off the ball, shoot. I got to get off the ball. And just that mentality tells you, I get it. You could still be cold, still get better, and let these other dudes grow. So I love Chet. So I see when you came in, you like the goat. Oh, man. Nobody better than Michael in your book. No. To be honest with you, it's almost disrespectful to compare anybody to Michael Jordan. Ew. Michael Jordan is so cold. Michael Jordan had played a game in the NBA. Bobby Nite, he's the most competitive. He's the most athletic. He's the most distance. He's the best player I've ever seen. And we talked about seven people over the failure. He said he was the best. And he coached Isaiah Thomas and all this stuff. Bro, in that Olympics, when they went 8-0, Jordan played against Magic, Isaiah, like all-stars. Could you imagine right now, could you imagine the college kid, whoever you want to pick, come and play against eight all-stars, including LeBron and KD, and beating them 8 straight times? My man was so cold. Michael Jordan's player came out in 91. They said he was the best ever. He hadn't even won a championship yet. My man was so cold. He said, I'm going to go win three championships, go play another major sport. Yeah. Come back and win three championships more. And then I'm going to leave again. Then I'm going to come back again. Yeah. My man was so cold, he bought a team off of shoes. Who sells? For argument purposes. No, no, no. I'm going to tell you, though, sometimes I get into it where I'll be like, no, LeBron, LeBron. You know I had a LeBron and Mike debate. But then when you go watch Mike highlights and just see what he would do, it's like, nobody was doing that then. Nobody's not doing it now. Yeah, true. If you didn't know nothing about Michael Jordan, let's say you came to this country, say you came to Earth. You didn't know nothing about Michael Jordan. Right. And you just saw, you knew about basketball. You just saw his highlights. You didn't know none of his accomplishments. You'd be like, that may be the best player I've ever seen. Without even knowing the, then I'd tell you everything he did. You'd be like, come on man, what are we talking about? Right. Like, what are we talking about? And this is no disrespect to anybody. No, that's a good way to put it. Not LeBron, not Kobe, not Will, not Magic, not anybody. He was, oh, and he played defense like he did offense. Zero flaws. My man was flawless. Zero. And he made basketball a little better. Look, we see John, right? We're going to put on some Gucci first. We see Jordan. We see, all right, we start playing slow music in our hand, looking like this dude is, he's from a different planet. He will listen to what? Uh, Lattimore, uh, Kenny Lattimore. Kenny Lattimore, yeah, you're talking. Hey, let me tell you the coldest part about him, Charlie. One of the coldest parts. He wasn't trying to convince you he was the best player ever. He was just trying to be the best, that he could be. He never said it. He never said it. He never, to this day, he's never said it. Man, look, y'all leave it where you want to leave it, but he played like he was possessed. He played like he knew these arguments would happen in the future. My man played defense like he played offense. Which one of the other grays can we say did that? And I'm not even a defensive player. I don't care about you. Coal was the name of the defender. Coal, but who'd he watch? Who'd he study? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would LeBron study? So we're saying these all-time grays, everybody that wasn't older than Jordan. So Magic didn't study him. Obviously, Kareem, you know, Phil Russell, Rest in Peace didn't study. But anybody after? They all studied him. Head to. I just saw a stat today on the plane. It said Michael Jordan got outscored one time in a Playoff Series' career. That one time was his rookie year. He never got outscored. In one game? Like not even a series. No, a series. A series, okay. You know how some series, hey, that was his series, man. They don't... What was that against? Yeah, I... Probably Boston. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, but that would make sense. But I'm just saying like, and this is the coldest, and I'm leaving with this. I've been on my Jordan rant. He never got to the highest level and let you down. That part. That one stuck into the deck. I saw your eyes go. He never got to the highest part and let you down. Never. Nah, you make... It was almost like a robot, like a computer. You just knew how it was going to play out. Who was your team growing up, though? The Bulls. The Bulls. Yeah. Bro, I can tell you everything about Jordan. As a kid, people tell me now. They remember me walking around with Jordan of the Chicago Bulls Ripperways. Yeah. So when I got real tall, I ain't never said that. You didn't break it. But yeah. Like, I'll tell you a sister. His mom's name. Like, his brother Larry. The shoe size. His favorite Gator Ray color. Right. I can tell you everything about him. Orange. It's citrus orange. It's citrus orange. Yeah. That was the sports illustrator for kids, too, by the way, when they said that. But like... You joined a fan too. Nah, like... Did you speak getting drafted to the Bulls into existence? Because of that? I didn't, but it was crazy to hear the same announcer. And we was... I can cut some hair. Yeah. We were shitty. But it was like, just hearing that dude's name because I heard it a million times from Michael Jordan. Bro, Michael Jordan is like... Michael Jordan is so great. When people are great, it's something else they have to compare them in whatever factor it is to Michael Jordan. Jay-Z, Mike Jordan of record. Yeah, yeah. Like, who else are we doing this with? Right. Who else are we still comparing this long later? Like, who else can say, okay, 25 years since I played, we're still comparing people to that person. In a world where everything happens fast, and we're talking about this or that. Tupac, maybe. Maybe like a Tupac. In his first basketball game, he wouldn't saw Jordan. I was there. Really? You didn't know that. It's a true story. He had just signed with Death Row. It was when Magic had came back, me and my boy, Jalal, snuck in the Laker game. We used to stick in the form, and it was easy. And Jordan, he didn't have the best game in that game, but Tupac came for that game. Later on, Shug Knight said that was Tupac's first game. He ever attended a professional game. As I... As I... As I go with his head. Like, you know, when you hear them type of stories, you're like, okay, and when they come full of service. And the last thing I'm going to say, the fear. Yeah. The fear he put in people. Bro, I promise. You ever seen him in person? Who might? I wish. Hell no. Bro, you ever seen... Is anybody here ever seen him in person? No. Bro, I promise. And you see other famous people. Yeah. If he walked into here, and we could be a room for us. You feel that shit, huh? Bro, don't get... He don't look real. Yeah. Hey. I don't know. Hey, David's coming here, right? Yeah. Ask him where you come. And we ain't said a word to each other, bro. It's like a white glow around. It don't even look real. Yeah, I don't hear... I don't hear... I heard the... I listen to KG all the time. And KG talked about the time. Like, he stepped on the court with him, and he felt like, you know what I'm saying? His aura, like... Bro. Bro. Yeah, it's his rookie hat, man. Bro. Yeah. 40 years old, I'm working out with him in Chicago. Got you. He has Jay-Z, Yonsei. They're on the side watching a pickup game. Like, it's a court-side game, real regular season finals game. My man had a... He would have a yellow Jordan outfit on. They probably still ain't ever came out. Some yellow J's and a yellow Ferrari outside. Like, he was just on a different... He's a different... My man's different. It's kind of weak to use the word different, because we use it so much now. Mm-hmm. Like, they don't make it so like... He's like no other. Loosely. Ain't nobody like him. Like, nobody. Nobody, nobody. That's all right. Nah, you don't... I'm trying to miss his name again. I'm sorry. Add all the tapes growing up. You still got to share. Yeah, you don't... I want to meet him. That's the only person I want to meet. Bro, it wouldn't even feel real. You see the NBA 75? You so hot. Oh, yeah. Sorry, everybody was like... Yo, Mike! My son at the time... When was that? Last year or year before? It was two years ago. Two years ago. My son was 11. He said, Dad, did you see how MJ walked in? I said, how do you walk in? He said, like a boss. He was 11 years old. Yeah. And he's seen that all year. And he's seen that all year. And you hear Dame Lily tell the story about it. Like, bro, even a room full of stars, they turn the keys when he walk in. My man is... Nah, you had some good points. I think that's an argument we don't need to have. And you give LeBron all his flowers. 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So my summer league now is Doug Christie's. And he let me play as a kid. First four games, I didn't do much. I had like eight points combined to a bucket of game. Then he got hurt. And I went and Damien was playing that. And I averaged 30 the rest of the way. I'm playing against Damien, Sean Kemp. When I had that success, it changed my life. And then the pros start cuffing me like, yo, you can make it. So Doug Christie started training me. And I didn't have his phone number. Kids, you were a pro. You made me get a couple dollars. I didn't want no dollar. I didn't want your phone number. Tell me where you're going to be. I want to learn to be a pro. Right. And he saw that focus. He's like, oh, you're different. Okay, so we're going to do this. So he'd get there at seven. I'll be at six waiting for him. I'm just catching the bus 45 minutes. Wherever I got to do, I'm driving the car. You guys got three day trip permits here? Like, especially if your license is, your plates are bad, you can buy like a trip permit like three days. We got to see how. I never heard that. So it's good for you. Okay, yeah. They can't have that. Yeah, you can't have that. Yeah. It is so many cars. They've been a flea to get in the country. So you could do it for three days. So I would. No, you have your own car, but you just can drive it for three days legally. So I would do that. Oh, they scared me here. I'm going to find him. So he helped me become a pro. That's what's up. And Gary Payton. Shout out Gary Payton. And like, you know, I follow you and I follow, you know, like just Seattle basketball period and talk about that. Like, because that's what y'all do. Y'all take people under y'all wing and to hear, like, it dates all the way back to you. And then seeing you do it with these guys, like, you know, that I feel like that's really special. Well, Doug Christie with him and he did it for me first. And then Gary Payton came along. And when they did it, it changed my life. Because I was just one of five million kids and I want to go to NBA. But when you believed in me and said, I can make it, I'm like, I can make it. I'm going to do it for the next kid. They hit a light bulb. I'm going to do it for the next kid. I'm going to do it for the next kid. And and now there's a kid right now who could text to John T. Murray. He could text Zach Levine. Eighth grade, ninth grade. Yo, can you watch this film with me? Can you tell me what you see? And they're going to respond to him. And that's what it's about. Like, we don't have the crabs in the bucket mentality. It's like, no, I made it. I got the blueprint. Follow this the way we're going. Uh-huh. Now you see 20 of us make it. Think about this. And this is powerful. We don't have the NBA team. We ain't had one since 2008. That's 16 years damn near, right? We have more pros in the last 16 years than we ever had before that. With no protein. So no inspiration to draw from, from a pro team. Like, I see the Hawks every night. I can go, you know what I mean? I can go to the game, whatever. It's like the players that are back in the community that never left are still in the Boys and Girls Club. We still, so it's realistic to them. When they see me, I coach them all. You know what I'm saying? It's all good. And that's inspiring. It gives hope. So like when you say coach them all, if you was the coach of the Pistons, what, what, what? What you, what you are? The Pistons? Yeah. Damn 20-game losing streak. How you, how you like motivate your team right now? First off, we, we, we all going somewhere together. Like we going somewhere undisclosed. Like we got to shake, we got to get that off that bed. And then I'm going to, we going to make it fun. At this point, as a normal coach, you try to, every mean speech, you done all the running, you done all that. We going to shake it all with, I'm going to be like prime in Colorado. We going to bring some swagger to it, where they having fun. Because yeah, it's serious business, but you want to have fun at the end of the day. And this league is younger now. These young kids want to have fun. That's your girlfriend, man. Hey, that's, you got serious? Bring on the playing, man. Like I'm going to change something up. I'm going to have to do something different. Because if you change this, the rest follows. Who they in Detroit? Like man, give baby face right now. Hey man, you know what, the next, we in Detroit the next week and a half, all our home games, we going to Miami, we going to come back. Like I'm going to do something to switch it up. Because they need to change their mental first. Because winning is to have it, but so is losing. Now they finding ways to lose. Yeah, like how does that happen though? You start believing you're going to lose. The league is so talented, anybody can win on a nightly basis, right? So like when it gets to five games, then it get to 10 games and 15 and a 20. In your experience, how does that happen? Because it's not about basketball at that point. Yeah, it's the mental part of it. And just like when you went in games, I remember I was on the Clippers team, we won 17 games in a row. The last game of the 17, we were down 20 in the fourth quarter in Utah, where you can't even breathe. We found a way to win that game. I remember that too. It's a habit. Like, you know what I mean? It's just that's just how it goes. But I would definitely change stuff up. I would, here's a question. Who's their vets over there? It's the blind leading the blind. Killian Hayes. Right. He might be the longest 10-year player. A 21-year-old is being led by a 23-year-old. I'm going to have some vets over there. Oh, Alec Burke. Alec Burke's over there. Oh, Alec Burke's a good vet. He's a good vet too. But I'm going to have more of Alec Burke. So I'm not just going to have more. Yeah, it needed a couple more. Yeah, you need two or three more. Because then they were like, man, he only talked about it. And it's only him. Yeah, it's only him. So if they ain't following him, like, we can still get him out. You know, or we can still do what we want to do. Not get him out. I'm going to have to do it. But we can still do the whole thing with him. Or he might not know how to translate too. It's more of us being like, yeah. Yeah, it's more of us being here. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm at an older age. I don't know how to talk to the young boy. I'm making more money than him. I'm like, that's how it is. Man, he only vets. We got to play whatever it is. Right? So I would get at least three to four on that team specifically. And I would change up whatever they've been doing. Man, you got to. We may have practice every day. I don't want to see y'all till we get to the gym. Oh, Coach, we ain't got a run. We can just meet at the gym. How we hooping today? I'm playing music in there when they come in. I'm doing like, I'm changing the mindset. The music that they like. Yeah. Yeah, they music. Come on. Like, I'm changing the whole mindset. I want them to have fun. Because once they win one, I guarantee they win more. You just talking about the clippers and how y'all went on that winning streak. Did you like, did you feel disappointed in winning the championship with that? Because our best chance was 2015 and we, the Spurs had just beat the Heat. And we put the Spurs on the first round and nobody wanted to play them. We was like, ooh, they about to back to back. They won like 21 or last 25 games going into the playoffs. And we went to game seven. We beat them. Then the next round, C.P. get hurt at the end of that round. We go play Houston. We go up to one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We like, oh, we going to the final. Yeah. Josh, man. Had to sign them after. Yeah. And then, and then we go up 3-1. He was playing out his body. Oh, yeah. He saved them. Y'all are too smooth. Yeah. He was on here too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got three. So we go up 3-1. And if we win that game, we go play the Warriors. And the Warriors, people don't know this. They weren't ready yet. We're the last team to put the Warriors out before they went on that run. So we like, oh, we about to go win it. And we just, man, that was crazy. And the last game six, we was up 19 at home in the third quarter and lost that game. You could do that. And you could simulate that game a hundred times. And 99 times, they're working our favor. Up 19 at home, playoff game, third quarter. And it was certain possessions how it was going. It was crazy. It was crazy. So now I know people give Doc a lot of shit for fumbling playoff series and stuff. What was, in your opinion, what was the reason for losing 3-1? To be very, very honest with you, I haven't went back and watched every game. I just, it's a blurb. But just overall, I think we weren't mentally tough enough. And I think that's all of us. I think that's Doc. I think it's the players. I think it's everybody. Because when things were going great, we were great. But when things, you know, I think it's two things. I think we weren't mentally tough enough. And I also think we thought time was on our side. You know, when you're young, I will be back. The Seahawks hit it in football. Give Marshall a damn ball. I will be back. We ain't been back since. Since. All right, you know what I mean? OKC, when they had Harden, Westbrook and Durant, they went in 23. Oh, they'll be back every year. They haven't been back. Well, KD went back with the Warriors. Yeah. They hadn't been back since. You know what I'm saying? They're supposed to have a cup. Yeah. People thought there was going to four or five run. Like, championship run. But it's the mindset we be having with them. So I think our youth took a shot at us. And I think our mental toughness as a group really took a shot. It was on full display then. Man, Jamon, I ain't going to say you made it fun. But you made it cool to be a six man, though. Like when I say you, Lou Will, like when you see, like, y'all will come out the mountain. Drop, drop, drop. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right now how, like, you know, I don't know if you know about the gambling and stuff, but like prize pigs, like y'all would be a lot. Who's prize pigs? Y'all going to come in and say, hell, the points, you better take them more. So it's like, what made you like realize like, nah, I can make this, I can be great at this. I didn't, for real, for real, I got to a point. The league is different now. Before you were judged if you on a winning team or not. You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't like you could just do numbers in this cool, everybody's going to love you. I was being known as a good player on bad teams. I'm like, man, I've won my whole life. I won high school championship, I won as a kid. I've always won in college. I won when I was playing. And I'm like, I don't want to be known as that. And at the time I got traded here. And they had to start in five in place. Bibi, Joe Johnson, Smoog, and Gorkford, right? Marvin Williams. And I'm like, well, I don't even care. I'll come off the bench, whatever. And I just average damn near 20 for three straight years. But I'm like, I don't care. I want to win. And so it wasn't something I chose. It kind of chose me. Right. But once it did, I was going to own it. I'm like, well, I want to be the best at it. So I tricked myself mentally. Started in the summer, everybody went to Seattle. So obviously I can go on court first. But I got to, I'm stepping back, letting them play so I can see the game different. Right? You're smart, yeah. And pick up. And then I had to trick myself when I got here. Because on the first day I'm like, man, I feel weak. I'm coming off the bench now. Like, I even, man, they're looking at me crazy in the crowd. Like, I didn't fell off. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn. So I went from that to, no, you good. Superman's coming. The show don't start till you get in. And then I was on some killer shit when that happened. That change happened. I'm like, I'm about to kill this. Yeah. I'm about to make it. Like Lou says, I'm making it embarrassing. I was like, nah, I want to make it where the show didn't start until I walked in. These are the, these, this is pre-funk. We gon' get to the club in a minute. This is the pre-funk. We had to order in between. We gon' get to the club in a minute. Yeah, let's sweat it out a little bit. Yeah, that's how. I'm a hundred percent. Yeah, you ready now? Yeah, let's go. And I want to, I want to put on a show every night. No matter if I start or, because I finished games. Exactly. Oh no, for sure. Yeah. Who's one of your favorite CDs you played for? Atlanta was one. Not number one, I'm saying. Yeah, one. Don't do that. LA and New York. I love shy too. We wasn't, we wasn't shit. But the shy itself, I like, everywhere I went, I invited the culture. Man, you talking about New Orleans food, Chicago food, right? All here for show for show. But it was like, I invited the culture, so I would be in the hoods. Man, when I was with the Knicks, I would go, like, we have a matinee day game at 12. Game over at three, I'm going to the park, playing with them and then asking them, what movie you want me to do in the game. Actually, that's crazy. No, so I'm really doing that. Everywhere I go, you know what I'm saying? And like here, this was the most people that looked like us doing everything. And that was so dope. That's the first time I ever experienced that. So that was so dope to me. We was just talking about that earlier, like us doing everything. Like even the dude, they usually come get your pisses white. Like it's, you know, black dudes coming late. It's like everything. I mean, it's dope. It was just a different feel. Being that you play here and you experience the culture, what is it about Atlanta and what other NBA players think of Atlanta that they don't want to come play here? That they don't want to come? I think most people think, can they focus? I think most people think, with their families, is this going to be a cool environment? My girl, the wife, he'd be like, nah, we ain't going there. You know what I'm saying? And that's why you smile and they can't see you right now. Maybe they can. But you know, I mean, that all plays a part. So I think that's part of it. And then everybody wants to be part of the winner. I think the more they win on the court and it looks sustainable, like, okay, I could fit. Like I'm a vet. I could fit with Trey Young or Dejeonte. Or, you know, I could fit with those pieces. And we could really go win. I think that's the last. I like both of them together to be on the court. Oh, for sure. Why'd I get Trey so much hell though? I don't know. Because they went to Eastern Finals year before the shot-take game. So I don't know. I don't know. He got tough. He got to carry that number 11 in Atlanta, Jersey. That's kind of... There you go. But to his credit, look what he's doing. Bro, Trey is balling this. Trey going crazy. I sold him one of my top three guards in the East, period. Like, he's cute. Like he's, and he does it every night. Mm-hmm. Before we get you out of here, man, who you got championship? Like, if you had it right now, if you had to pick two teams, one to come out of the East, one come out of the West, and you... Milwaukee and Phoenix. I'm going to say that because I still there before the season. I think when Phoenix get billed, they're going to be totally different. And you think Milwaukee gone, like they're clicking on all cylinders? Yeah, for sure. Because the thing about... They're clicking right now. Yeah, they are. Low key. Low key. Like, I just... I think on the defensive side, they're not the same. They just still got another level to go to. Yeah, they do. You can see they still... Like, they figuring it out. But, yeah. And losing in that tournament is going to turn them up a lot more. And playoff defense is different then. Like, they will be more locked in. Everybody's going to be more locked in defensively in the playoffs. Gotcha. Every... Because you don't have to play for two, three days. Like, you... Every possession is hard. Playoff atmosphere. The playoff, I can describe it this way. If we play in a 15 pick up, and both teams got 14. You know how last point here is going to be found? Oh, yeah. Every single possession is like that in the playoffs. It don't look like it. But I'm telling you, that's what it is. Yeah, we feel like that's what it is. So, game will be locked in. They'll be good. They actually fit. They don't just fit with their names. Like, their games actually fit. Oh, yeah. I like that. So, once they... Yeah, they're going to be good. And I think fiends are put together. Oh, yeah. If not fiends, then we're done. I'm not going against Joker again. We both made that mistake. Yeah. Yeah. Not again. Yeah. Nah, with KD, I just feel like, KD gonna get him one, like, just the shit on people. But in my mind, I do it. I want the Lakers to... But you got to be... You got to start being realistic. All right. Have you arrived to that point yet? I'm getting there. Like, you know what I mean? No, you didn't, because you mentioned AD first. I knew you were still talking. No, because it was like... It was like, that's who, that's who I was talking about. But that's the frustration for you, bro. The Pacers got the worst defense. Everybody knows the Pacers got the worst defense. But it'd be the faces he'd make. It's like, okay, this might carry on. I knew he was trippin' when he looked at his hand. I don't know why I said that. But you got to think about it like this. It ain't the Pacers, it's going to be... Can he do that against Joker? And that one counts. Can he do that against Giannis? Because those are the ones you say he's going to potentially play against, right? Yeah, and that's what it's supposed to do. And B, can he do it against him B? Go Bear and Kat. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying... Yeah, me too, shit. Let's start there. Oh, Ant-Man, how you feel about that to the hell? He's cold, dawg. Dawg, right? He real, too. I love everything about him. He's electric. Certain players is good and certain players is electric. Like, he's electric. He brings his teammate up, he brings the building up, he brings the game up. Like, he's cold. And he, him, like you could tell, it ain't no all switch. Ain't no fake dawg in here. There's some fake dogs out there. Ain't no fake dawg. He a real dawg. Like, for real, for real. Like, he really want to go get it. And I respect that. I don't care if he shoot 0 for 18, going trying to get it. He really trying to go get it. Yeah. Like, on some Kobe shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, he really trying to go get it. And I respect that. Any more questions for them? What's some of your favorite teammates you've been playing with? I'm going to hold a man high. Favorite teammates? Yeah, favorite teammates in, like, a quick story with them. How about you give me a name I get you on? Because I've played 20 years. I've played a long time. Let me think. Somebody off that Clippers team. I was a live city fan. CP3, they get it. Whatever you want. Pick one. DeAndre Jordan. I heard a lot of good teammate stories about him. He's the dopest teammate because he's selfless. Like, he's never about him. He's about you. And think about this. He was our defensive captain. Right. He was everything he ran through here. Maul, just try. I don't care about that shit. Go move the scoreboard. Go score. Like, so he knew how to talk to every single person. He literally had 10 different hashtags with 10 different people. He's probably the most loved, like, off the court person in the whole organization. Everybody loved DJ. Because he's just genuine. He's in. He's about your family. He's going, you know, all your kids. Everything about you. How's your mom doing? How's mom doing? Yeah, mom. She took, she gave me some words of environment. Like encouragement. Like, he's, that's DJ. That's him. So he was the dopest. I'm glad he got one too. Yeah, he did. He deserved it. Yeah, that's why he's still around. He went back to LA and him and Reggie just went off. He looked like live city DJ. Yeah. Right. Now, so they, that was dope about the Clippers. So the whole environment, like kids, they want us to win because they can all come to lock them out to them. You know what I'm saying? So it was just a dope environment. No. For sure. I got one. Your AU team. Yeah. Yes, son. Yeah, all right. Lil Will. Conroy. He nice. Talk about just, you know, like that grass roots, you know, because that's obviously where it starts. You know what I'm saying? We, all of us, you know, play who play basketball, grew up playing AU. And you know, AU get a lot of shit from the older generation. And you know, some of these guys who don't understand it. But AU is really the blueprint and the foundation. And, you know, as you see, it carries over into the NBA. So talk about the importance to you. Yeah. It's, it's, there's some parts of AU, like, we know that's not really cool. And there's some parts that are not bad and you can actually make better. And so Rotary program, shout out to Daryl Hennings and Dan Finkley. They started it. And I actually played for both of them. The way they do it is, it's not like just a normal AU program. It's family. And I think that's what separates them because the Palos, myself, everybody in the city came through them. And all the parents trust them because they're going to give them great guidance. They ain't going to be just on the court. It ain't going to be just, you ain't got to make the NBA. Just be good in life. And that's the separator for us is that everybody can make the NBA. Yeah, real program. You can be a solid person. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we do, or they do a lot of stuff off the court. And for me being in this space now, especially kids I don't see, like I see them through the circuit, I check in with them. Text them, make sure they're all right. Make sure you're good in school or you're stretching. How's your classes? You listen to your parents. Like, so I do that checking a lot with a lot of kids because they're like, oh, it's my team and I don't care about the rest of y'all. Like, nah, I'm trying to help everybody that I can. I think you get more of a love, a show on love. And hopefully one of them kids can do the same thing when there's another generation coming up. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes a lot of these kids sometimes will talk to people that they can only are trying to get something from the kids. You know what I mean? Like, okay, I'm giving you this because I'm gonna give you a pair of nikes. I'm giving you this game because I'm gonna fly you here to play for me for, you know, like, nah, nah, we got to give them real game and care about all of them. Like, nah, you ain't on my team technically, but you, my little bro now, so we gonna, you know, figure it out and make sure you're all right. That's real. Yeah. Man, I appreciate you. You got a question? Appreciate you pushing? Dang, I don't have a question. Yeah, I don't have a question. You got no question before? No, but I was like... That's dope. Nah, man, we appreciate you pushing up. Anytime you, I mean, you want to come cuss, because I know you've been on CTV. We the cursing talk. We the shit talking. I can really talk, yeah. Ain't no, you didn't realize, we had been cursing and he was like, curse on me. We would try to keep the shit PG for you. We dumb it down for you. Yeah, because we know, we ain't, nah, but nah, we appreciate you pushing up on us, man. No doubt. Anytime you want to come through, just talk basketball. Marcel always speak high level. I'm here all the time. So, we appreciate you, man. Y'all clap it over Jamal. Appreciate you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Be me, be me, be me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! And real quick, I'm not Martin Luther King. I'm not Malcolm X. I'm not no philosopher. But it is power in words. Last week, we was five out of six. I said it can't get no worse. Motherfucker, we lost six out of six. No. I ain't lose. All right. A push, and we lost five. No, because he counted everybody. That don't count towards the money, bro. That don't count towards the money. If it didn't hit, then it didn't hit. Yeah, right. That's what I'm at with. Crazy. So, I'm still in the lead. But we're not going to start off with that. One could have hit. And when I say one could have hit, because in a group effort, we tried to make this one hit. Ooh, man. Dot net said under 0.5 offensive rebound. What we say? Bruh. No, he said it was one. Oh, okay. He said under one. Yeah, and I said, bro, he could get one easily. He'll miss his layup, catch the ball, and go back up. The nigger had three offensive rebounds in the first quarter. He had two in one possession. And we told him. Don, acted it out. Bruh, we told him. We said it's that they can have it. We said dot net, if your pick don't hit, you won't be on that couch. Now, this week, if your pick don't hit, you won't have a mic. It's got to start being consequences when you don't listen to a team. It's a team. You don't have, like, you remember a fresh prince when Carlson just threw that shot up? That's what that meant. Yeah, he got jealous because we were scoring. I was trying to play hero balls. All right. So, we're going to let you start it off. Who? Dot net. All right, man. I'm going to go something light, man. We're going to go... Oh, shit. No, what's the name? Come on, phone. Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson, yeah. I got Lamar Jackson. 2-24. I'm going to go over. Pass it. Yeah, you been out doing under on shit no more. You putting it on? Yeah. No, you can do it, too. So, like, my money, and you. But that's on you. I ain't going to tell a nigger to get no money. Dot, dot. I just know we ain't going to get 42. You can have some more money in your pocket. Yeah. We're going to have 42, we're going to have wins, and I got some special for y'all. Damn, bitch. We win this week. Surprises. Surprise. Invade, it's your turn. Okay. I'm going football again. Karen Williams for over on his rush yards. You don't like that? I don't know. Who do they play? I don't even know who that nigger is. He been going off. He has been going off. With the Rams. He playing Reds. If they play the Commanders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an energy source, yeah. All right. That might be a trap, though. Y'all know how. Hold on now. Yeah. Stay with y'all. You know what? No, I already said it. That's what we doing. Yeah. Yeah. Speak, we speaking positivity. Yeah. It's going to be better than last week. Fact. And the week before that. It's got to be. And the week before that. No. We might not even get a push. Maybe it works. It's not. We're not. Good. Too legit. All right. Come on that. Yeah. Since we about to go to the club. You know we got to take Debo Sam. Got it down there for Debo with you. Taking his over 65 and a half receiving. I love that. I love that. After last week. Yeah. Oh man. I love that pick boy. Yeah. Yeah. Boy, you make me proud. Ain't nobody like you. Who you got done? Taking Bradley Beale over one and a half threes. I feel like they, I feel like it's easy, man. The niggas take eight threes. We thought that when you told me about who you boy Tatum. He was like nah, Tatum would get that in the first half. I said I don't know. And then he did the week before with Eric Gordon. He ain't hit either. But two threes he got to shoot. All right. You're right. And no KD tonight. Yeah. Okay. Oh he just got to attempt them. No. He got to make these bro. Ain't no attempts. Yeah. Yeah. Attempt man. That's three money. They put a temp up there with it. Shit. Them niggas come out shooting the three. All right, Greg, I'll let you get last pick. Let me get. Because I'm a, I'm a trail. That, all right. I'm going to go Jalen Hurst has two passing touchdowns. I like that. Two touchdowns. I like that. Two touchdowns. Yeah. They got embarrassed this week. So. And they playing Seattle. Seattle going, Seattle, you know what I mean. You saying Jalen Hurst has scored touchdowns? Nah, two touchdowns. It's 1.5. Yeah. I see that. They say passing though. Yeah. Passing and rushing. No, you saying passing and rushing? I thought that's what it says. You might be right. Nah, that just on passing. No, I just passing. Yeah, I'll take that though. Okay. I like that too. So, I'm putting the picks in. If I could, I would have took Pat Mahone. Because we ain't never seen Pat Mahone's mad. And to watch him be mad, I said, oh, it, it daddy coming up. It daddy coming up. Yeah, that what he needed. All right, I'll just put that shit in. I put a hundred, bring back $2,500. We gonna be $2,500 richer next week. That's how we gotta start talking. We ain't gonna say if this happened. No, we finna get $2,500. Thanks. We finna have $42 in this month. We still got the same damn ball from the last time we won. It's all this. Last season. Yeah, this it. And we got it up here like they sponsored this shit. We don't deserve that shit. You know how we was talking about how Detroit pisses on that losing streak and shit gotta start being changed because like they don't feel, we losing. We got to start doing this shit for y'all to see how serious a nigga is. I want to win. It's different. It's different. Coming here smiling after a motherfucking loss. Boom. With that being said, let's go win. Broken glass. That's good.