 Yn oeddan ni, ychydig yn dda. Mae gynhyrchu, mae'r gweithio, a'r gweithio yng Nghymru o'r Llywodraeth Cymru. Yn oeddan ni, mae'r gweithio'r Gweithfyrddol. Mae gwneud amser Sue Wellington, ac mae'n gweithio'r gweithfyrddol Gwyrddol. Yn oeddan ni, mae'n gweithio'r gweithfyrddol, ac mae'n gweithio'r gweithfyrddol. Mae'n meddwl o'un hwnnw, Cymru. Y ddigonwyd hwnnw, i'r dweud y gwybod y rôl wedi'u meddwl i'r gwybod sy'n meddwl i'r ddigonwyd i gyd, y Llyfrgell, John Williams a ein mildwyd yw'r sefydliadau ar yr wyngwneb, Milwyd. Cymru yw'r wyfwneb, sy'n meddwl ydw i'r haveidau a'r regomendau. Cymru. Lawrence, mae'n gwybod i'r ffeinio. Dee weithio? Diolch imbryd. Diolch. Diolch. Yn yogi, cyfaintaeth o'r hyn o'r busnes yma o'r ysgrifennu. If an interest subsequently becomes apparent later in the meeting, please would you raise it at that point. Anybody got any at this moment? Lost shaking heads? No. Thank you. Right, moving on to item three, is the minutes of the previous meeting. We have the minutes of the meeting held on 29 September up for approval today. Does anyone wish to make any amendments to the minutes? Or are you all content? Councillor Carlson. I will abstain on this because I wasn't allowed to meet him. Fine. Thank you. Thank you. No arm waving, hedge shaking or anything. So minutes of the meeting held on 29 September are approved. We now come to item four, community chess, which is our substantive item of business today. Before I hand over to Emma to present the report and applications, I understand we have a public speaker. We're joined today by Melissa Santiago Val. Hello, Alyssa. Welcome. Melissa is from so positive who we've granted funding to last month and as well as in previous years. Melissa is going to introduce herself and tell us about what her group actually does. Thank you. Over to you. Thank you so much. I'm really delighted to be able to have this opportunity. I'm sorry I'm not there in person, obviously being only down the road, but we are running a community chess event this afternoon actually at the Aikerman Centre in Cambridge. It's a small group. It's part of the sustainable food festival in the city, but I'm delighted that we've got two South Cams volunteers and four members of South Cams community and taking part as well. Thank you so much, Laurence. If you could just pop that onto full screen, that's brilliant. I'm just going to give you an update on who we are and what we do. It interested me that actually all four of us are in South Cams on this photo. There's three volunteers who joined us at various different stages in our journey. Thank you, Laurence. Next slide, please. Who are we? We're a really small South Cambridgeshire-based charity and we help people to mend and repair. We do upcycling and repurposing of clothes. Really the aim of this is about our mind being calmed to improve our mental health and our wellbeing and help our planet. Thank you, Laurence. We are wanting to enable inclusive communities. That's what we do. The people that we work with are generally the people that we work with have got co-existing issues around their isolation, around their mental health, around discrimination, around their circumstances financially. They're often a mix of those and they're often accessing multiple services. We want to be able to bring those people together through creativity to be able to help them find ways of dealing with their mental health and taking more control of their own mental health as well. We do that through social prescribing, which is something we've really tried to do since we've started. Thank you. What you're allowing us to do as a small charity, and I say we're a small charity, so in Cambridgeshire we are one of many charities with an income of under £50,000 a year. We've only been running for two years. I set the charity up myself when I was furloughed and wanted something to do to stop my mental health plummeting even further. I live with anxiety and depression myself, and I also have several co-existing physical health conditions that I juggle. For me it was a case of I want to be able to do something useful in the community. I put together with a friend of mine a mask project during the pandemic and we started to make masks to raise money for the NHS. Obviously there was a great need for masks, not just among the public but among community groups. We started making masks and we made actually 14,000 masks, and we raised £40,000 for the NHS. Most importantly, during this process, we realised that sewing was really helpful to our communities in sewing our communities together, stitch at a time. We had 50 volunteers working with us. That's what we're doing. It's not just about people taking part as participants, it's about volunteering, which is one of mine's five ways to wellbeing. It's about connecting, it's about learning, about giving, being active, learning all the time and taking notice. We are always encouraging people to be mindful of their sewing. Thank you. Just a snapshot of who we are. We've actually just had our AGM, so it's our second year. In our first year, over the first 18 months, we had an income of around £20,000. A year later, after a lot of support from yourselves and other grants, in fact, I'm just going to look up my figures. I've got figures here about how many grants we've actually had. In the last year, we've had 17 grants. That means that I've spent personally a lot of time applying for grants. It's a big part of what charities have to do. We really do appreciate the support of South Cams because it enables us to have some running costs that are covered as well as offering some community events to people who are in South Cambridge here. That's so important because there just isn't enough happening in the villages and in rural communities for people to feel connected. Obviously, everyone has different interests. Not everyone is interested in sewing, but a lot of people are, and it's something that's really, really picked up in people who want to express their creativity. We've got a lot of volunteer hours, which is marvellous, and I'm very pleased that a lot of those volunteers come from South Cams. 2,440 hours. My own volunteering is still very much part of that because I am not salaried and I am only able to be paid project funding that we invoice through projects. So it's really, really a big, big learning curve for us. And we're very grateful for the support of our local CCVS helping us move forward as a charity so that we can deliver more services. And we are very successful in what we're doing in that we get amazing feedback. But for this presentation, I focused on our community events, which is what you've helped us to fund. Thank you. So these are some of the community chess projects that you've helped us to fund. So we've got events there from the Mosque Wellbeing Day that we had about 25 different families doing Sasha Co embroidery, which is a type of slow stitching on denim and workwear originally. It's really mindful and very easy to pick up. We were also donated lots of kits by a very specialist embroidery company and we used those to do some events. And one of those in the middle picture is at Shelford Library and we did festive mindful embroidery with them last year. And with the lampshades, we're using upcycled fabrics. Sustainability is a really big part of our ethos. And we're always trying to use existing fabrics and donated fabrics or fabrics from other charities like Emmaus and the Reuse Centre in which in near Ely. So in the lampshades picture that is at the hub in Camborn. And then we've also got another event there at the Ackerman Street Centre where I'm going this afternoon, as I mentioned. So there's some of the community chess projects that you've helped with the materials costs for. Thank you. And there's a few more photos. These are actually from Monday. We took part in the Let's Go Circular event at the Grand Arcade in Cambridge, which is a platform really for all local organisations who are working in the circular economy to try and change things for people to become more sustainable in their choices. So we made denim planters from upcycled jeans and plastic waste from bottles. And this was a fantastic activity particularly because it was designed by one of our participants. So co-production is really important to us. We involve people who have experienced the difficulties that we're trying to support. And we have such a variety of people coming to us. It's amazing. And I had another participant last night messaging me saying, I've got some ideas. When can we talk about them? And that is very much part of what we're doing and that is about taking ownership and being involved in your community. It's a non-gender specific activity. So as you can see, we've got Adam. Adam has come along with his partner who has also done some sewing before, but they hadn't done this sort of activity. So it's about opening up new creative avenues for people to manage their wellbeing. And obviously we're using plastic and textile waste creatively. Thank you. So our feedback, I did actually pull together some feedback for today. We had 24 respondents out of the people that have all together done our community chest events over the last three years. Obviously we haven't finished the ones for this year. We've only just started those, but we have got some. And everyone is feeling 100% feel more socially connected. And I think that is so important. That is what we're here to do. And they also link sewing creativity with wellbeing. And just this week alone, we have 13 South Cams residents taking part in our events. And these are just our community events. Thank you. So our ethos and why what we're doing is useful for our mental health is because it gives people an opportunity to do these things. We want people to slow down and take their time to actually have time for themselves and be in this moment. And sewing allows you to do that because it gives you a sense of creative flow. I don't know if this is something people have heard about, but it's proven and there are lots of studies coming out showing how this is very useful from Harvard and also from mind. And a variety of other studies are coming out showing how this is very useful. So the state of creative flow is achieved through doing a repetitive activity, but which is still using your brain. But it is enough for your brain to rest and carry on being creative. And it's a very restful state and is shown to actually lower your respiratory rate and be very calming. So that is what we're trying to achieve. Thank you. These are just some of the quotes that we've had this week. And again, these are from the community chest projects. So they're not specifically aimed at people who are our core sort of audience who might find going to the Grand Ok difficult, for example. But we have other services that are social prescribing. Amazing feedback. And I can actually share those with anybody that's interested. Excuse me. So, yeah, it's just about bringing like-minded people together facing on mental health and sustainability. It's lovely to hear these. Thank you. We have just the last one there. It's again, it's about intergenerational opportunities as well. So some people may have learned sewing when they were a child at school. Sadly, we don't do that at the moment. But it means that people can pass on those skills within their families and also learn them so that they can then pass them on. But I think it was great. I saw this particular family really struggling one of their children and they were fantastic. And they carried on and they were able to complete something. And for us, it's not about just completing an activity. It's being able to just take part, try something new, maybe get some ideas. And we always follow up with video tutorials, for example, and extra resources that people can call on. Thank you. I just wanted to mention that as an organisation South Cams District Council, if people are interested in supporting us in other ways, we do do wellbeing events at your workplace. And we've done some for the National Lottery. We've done some for an advertising agency in Cambridge in London. And we've done one for Hamilton College in Cambridge. So we offer wellbeing events. We can do them by Zoom or we can come into offices. So that's again, something that could be important for you as an organisation. And also we have opportunities for people if they're interested in supporting us doing running or other community fundraising. And obviously, if anybody is interested in sewing and has skills that they're interested in passing on to their community, we would love to hear from them. And just want to say, thank you so much for funding our projects. It really is amazing that we have this facility and I'm really grateful to have the opportunity to talk to everyone today and tell you a very small amount about what we do. But it does make a really big difference. Claire's one of the people that's been coming to us since we started really. And it's just been amazing to see what she's doing. We have two participants that have now set up their own businesses in some way using sewing and others who are volunteering with us and have progressed to designing activities and another person who's now running their own group that they had set up with funding from mind as a result of doing a course with us. So these are the results that you can see and we're very grateful. Thank you. I think there's just one more and I think it just says thank you again. No, that's it. If you want to get in touch with me, there's my email. Thank you, Felissa. Does anybody have any questions? Councillor Cahn. Very inspiring presentation. I just wondered, do you have any men participating because all the people in the pictures I've seen of women, do you manage to participate? Oh, you didn't spot Adam there. Yes, we do. I mean, I would say looking at our data so far, we've had around 80% of participants have been women. However, and this is a big thing for me, I have actually put in for funding through central government for the National Suicide Prevention Fund and I've worked very closely with Joe Davis who's our Suicide Prevention Manager in the local authority here. Obviously that's a bid, but that is actually aimed at middle-aged men who obviously are one of the groups who face the biggest suicide risk and especially as a risk factor in this area has been identified as them as well. So I'm very keen to do that. We have a bid called Men's Hems that we would be running to offer a very practical group, a bit like Men's Sheds to have a space where men can come and learn practical skills like just things like sewing a hem, mending a seam, sewing on buttons, how to make simple school uniform fixes if they're in single-parent families. This can be very helpful. So yes, and we do have men. I've had, I've got a man, a young man who's on our Ukraine refugee program. We do several of those through the city area committee funding as well. And we've also had a young man who's a refugee and he's, he did a summer sewing taster day. Amazing talent. I really want to get more. So if you're interested in joining us, that would be fantastic. Thank you. Councillor Samford. Thank you, chair, and thank you, Melissa, for your presentation. I must admit I'd never heard of so positive until your application came before us last month, but it seems an excellent charity for Southcams to stand behind. This may already be in the works, but I'm wondering if we can put out, can our comms people to put out a press release which will obviously make your charity known to more people and also demonstrate that Southcams is spending council taxpayers' money on good causes. Certainly, Councillor, will you hand? Yes, we'd absolutely love that. Thank you. I just wanted through you, chair, to thank Melissa for a presentation. Very interesting. It's great to see what you're doing. I'll picking up on what Councillor Samford said. I will mention it to our comms team. So you may, you may just get a call. But thank you very much for all you're doing. Thank you so much for supporting us. Senator. Thank you. Hi, I just wanted to say... Oh, she's gone. I am still here. Sorry, I was just turning that off. I just wanted to say, well done for making something negative like the lockdown into a positive, and thank you for all the masks you made for the NHS. Oh, that's really kind of... Thank you. Can I add by thanks? Can I ask you one question? I'm in the process of trying to declutter a very good friend of mine who has an awful lot of craft equipment of every type shape and description. Do you take that sort of material to help you with some of your classes? Absolutely. So actually this year we've actually taken on in total, we've got 25 sewing machines that would have gone to landfill that we've mended and sort of found repairs and it's for. We work with the repair cafes at Cambridge Carbon Footprint quite often as well. I can take some materials, but being a really small charity, literally you're looking at the only person working for it. It is quite tricky to take lots of materials because we don't have any premises. So my house is very full, but we are very grateful for things that we know that we can use in upcoming services. So maybe if you could email me, Councillor Wellington, and then I can maybe have a chat with you about that separately. But we can take donations, but we do ask if people are wanting to donate sewing machines that they first take them to the repair cafes that are available. It also encourages people to think about their choices before they just pass things on. It's about taking that ownership. And it's the same with textiles. I think people are very happy to just take things to charity shops, which is great, but they can often end up in landfill in a developing country. So we're trying to get people to think about those choices as well, not you yourself, but just everyone, all of us, in me included. Oh, I can add to your sewing machine collection about this three. And so many others. Oh wow, okay. So yes, I will. Thank you, that's lovely. Anybody? Thank you very much. We will follow that up. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Bye. Right, back to the agenda, ladies and gentlemen, and on to community chest. And Emma, would you like to tell us about Melbourne Community Hub Management Group? Okay, thank you, chair. So we've had four applications this month. That's a total of £8,000. One of these is a deferred biodiversity projects last month. So I'll go straight on to page 11, which is the Melbourne Community Hub Management Group. So the Melbourne Hub, it's leased to Melbourne Community Hub Management Group by the Parish Council. It's been open for 10 years, and it provides many services for the community, including NHS Outreach and Surgery Overflow Clinics, the community library, office space for the Melbourne Parish Council, a state-of-the-art meeting room, and a community cafe. So the increased demand of the hub services now requires constant use of the outdoor space. But in order to do this, it needs to be adapted to make it more attractive. So they've got a project in mind, which is obviously including more hard landscaping, more space, secure storage, and green landscaping. And you can see there's a map that, well, a diagram showing the vision of the project. Total project costs for this project are £11,224.83. £2,000 has been requested from the community chest, and that's to go towards the landscaping costs. They've also received some funding already from Bruntwood SciTech. That's £5,000, and £4,224.83 will be met by Melbourne Hub Reserves. We've got support from Councillor Joe Sales and Sally Ann Hart. Thank you. Thank you. Any comments from any members? Bill? Councillor Henry. Thank you. I wonder if I could just ask a question of Emma. The community chest budget, the remaining budget. Just looking at that, £16,667, that's got to last what, another six months, is it? Five months, yeah. Melbourne Hub is a fantastic facility. Absolutely fantastic. And ordinarily I wouldn't have any hesitations to support it, but they have had quite a lot of funding from us, and it is a very well-established thing. I'm just a little bit concerned that the budget, the budget we know we may well find ourselves in the position at the end of the financial year of having some very, very good applications, and there's no funding in the pot. That's my concern. I'm not saying no, but I'm just opening that up for a debate, really. Any other members like to comment on that? It's extremely difficult, and it does end up with being first-come, first-served. Unless you've got, I think unless there is clear evidence that it's unsuitable for whatever reason, we are really obliged to follow our procedure, as I understand it, Emma. Sorry, can I come back? Yeah, I'm not saying no by any means. It's just a slight concern, but I certainly would be quite happy to support it. I think the recommendation is that we should support it. It's just an observation, really. Anybody? Anything? We haven't got councillor John. Do you have? Oh, hello, John. Sorry. Hello there. I mean, I wouldn't worry about that. As you see, overall there is quite a bit of money in the total budget for the grants committee. So we haven't got to a situation yet where we need to be worrying about that. I mean, we do have a rule that you can only apply once in a year. So it may seem that the hub is always here for money, but actually it hasn't, you know, if it had come to us in this financial year before, then we would have turned it down. So it does follow the rules. And as you've said soon, you know, we have to follow the rules to be fair to everybody. I'm happy, Chair. Happy. Yeah, councillor Cull. Yes, I'm happy. I recommend simply that it's better to have spent all the money during the year than how many left over at the end of the year. Indeed. So can I look around the committee members and see a general nod? We have a general nod. Thank you very much. Move on then Emma. Thank you. Page 13, we have active with Parkinson's Cams. It provides a very specific type of exercise class to address the symptoms of Parkinson's disease. It now supports 41 people and it provides three classes per week. But they've identified a problem that there's no provision for those that have reached stage three of the disease. In this stage, often people have what is known as freezing so they can't walk takes a while from to sort of get off the ground as such. And obviously this comes with exhaustion as well. And obviously these people, some of those people that were in the initial classes have now progressed to this stage. And as social contact is vital to support these people, they would like to provide a new seated class for eight people. This will be a one year trial project. Total project costs are £4,900 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest. Breaking down, this is for an instructor, venue hire and resistant bands and soft balls. They've made an application to source and parish council for £1,000. Since this report was published, this has been successful. So they'll get £500 now and then also £500 in the new tax year. And then what they will also do is apply to Parkinson's UK in six months time. Although they made an application just recently, it's actually, they found out that it had been allocated all the funding so they couldn't get any funding at this particular point. So the aim is to get a one year trial project going. We're still waiting for support messages from a couple of our councillors on this one just to flag that. But I'd welcome any comments, thank you. Thank you. Disponting that councillors haven't responded. Do we, you've chased them? Yes, Jane has. We've chased them quite a bit. I think obviously this does happen from time to time. Obviously holidays and all that kind of stuff as well. So what we tend to do is, if a decision is made today, before we actually, supposing it was agreed to fund, we would obviously contact them again before payment is made. That's the kind of process that we would follow. So you are. There does seem to be an increase in the number of people with Parkinson's lately. I seem to know an awful lot more people than I used to. And one of the symptoms has always been that they walk into a corner and they can't work out, had to turn around and walk out of it and they freeze there. And it's quite horrible for them. Any comments from members? Councillor Hanley. I hope I didn't miss it, but you say that they've asked for £4,000 from the Parish Council. Have they had a response from them? Yes, that's just been confirmed. £1,000, yes. Thank you. Right. Since you too. I don't see any problem with this. We'll use the board. Everybody nodding happily. We're all nodding. So that one's agreed. Okay, move on. Thank you. Page 15, we got new to the village rooms. These were gifted to the village almost 100 years ago. So the building includes a hall, stage, kitchen, toilets and includes Wi-Fi and is available to hire 365 days a year. The kitchen is regularly used for events such as coffee mornings, the monthly lunch club, annual harvest supper and fundraising events, parties, receptions, et cetera. So replacing the kitchen units would provide a more functional space to cook and prepare food and they've been given a second hand, almost new kitchen which consists of cupboard units, sink and surfaces and this has been donated free. However, funding is still required to cover the cost of removal, transport and fitting of the kitchen and this includes the electrical works and the plumbing and you can see a picture there of the kitchen that they're going to install. So total estimated costs are £2,200 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest. You'll notice there's a £200 contingency in that breakdown but they've said that any additional funding over £2,000 will be covered from existing village room funds. They've also had one fundraising event which raised £750. We have support from councillor Dr Mitchell Williams and councillor Louise Padden. Thank you. Thank you. Can I just ask, is this a parish council or is it a village meeting? Because it's quite small, isn't it? And I just wonder whether they, we haven't heard from the parish council because they are relatively small and might not have had a meeting. Newton, I haven't got the figures at the moment you had. I don't know if our democratic services people could help us. Parish council, thank you. But so we haven't heard from the parish council yet. In this case, I don't believe they have requested anything from the... Oh, sorry. Oh, yes, we do have support. They are in support but I think funding-wise, I don't believe there's any funding that they're going to provide for this. Sorry, they are in support but funding-wise, there isn't, I don't think Jane is there, I don't think we have any. Yeah, I think they're going to ask them but nothing has yet. Nothing has yet. Okay, councillor Hanley. On the face of it, I'm happy with this. Just a question, there's nothing to stop us from actually supporting basically the payment of professional services rather than a capital item. You know, we're paying, we're going to be paying for electrician plumber services rather than for a capital item. I hope that's not a problem. I don't think that's a problem, is it, Hanley? I think in the rules of the community chest of being a start-up in the fact that this is a new project for the village rooms, the revenue costs can be included. Just to get the job done basically, isn't it? Yep. Sue, can- You can mute John. Yeah, I have two issues. Well, first of all, can someone explain to me what a charity commission custodian is? And you actually, locally, manages or owns or leases this place because I'm reading, it says the newton rooms don't own or lease the property. So who does? And it says here it's a charity mission custodian. Well, what does that mean? So I'd like to understand the ownership of this place. And the second thing is that I don't like nice rounded figures because it suggests to me that someone actually hasn't gone out and got proper quotes. This is just their assumption as to how much it's going to cost. So I would like to see proper, you know, costed figures there before we agree to pay anything because it could well be that the removal, for example, removal and transport of kitchen units, we're looking at them. You could probably hire a van, a large van and put them in that van. And it certainly wouldn't cost you £500 if it was done by volunteers. So I have a suspicion that these figures are purely guesstimates and I want to see what it will actually cost. So I'd like them to go out and source, for example, an electrician and get a quote from the electrician to tell us how much it's going to cost to fit. So at the moment, I'm not persuaded to agree to this. I'm not going to reject it, but I think I would like to see more information from them. I particularly would not want to understand what a charity commission custodian is. I understand where you're coming from. They do say that it's all estimate and they haven't had... They may be able to get volunteers to do the work. Anybody else's thoughts? Sorry, do you need a... I mean, I'm happy to propose that we defer this and get that information. I'm happy to be the proposer of that. Anybody happy to defer until further information? Okay, thank you very much. Moving on to deferred biodiversity application. Thank you, phase 17s. It's from Cambridge Pass, Present of Future. I remember from last month this was deferred. And what they wanted was £2,000 from the community chest to assist with the woodland management costs for Wonderbury Country Park. And I think basically the request that we went back to them was basically if they wanted a specific item that the funding could be used for as opposed to a contribution towards the total project costs. So you can see I've provided them a quote from the applicants. They have said that they would like the funding to go towards external contractor costs. This would be for tree surgeons and hire in specialist equipment such as chippers to dispose of wood and brush. For obviously the tree work. So thank you. Thank you. Councillor Williams, you've come back online which may suggest that you want to say something. No, no, apologies, no. Right. Anybody, any members want to say anything? I'd rather feel it is against quite a high figure of work. But it is a bit a continuous figure of work. It's not a particular project that we are funding. It's an ongoing support. And I'm not sure in my head and I'm happy to be told differently that it really complies with our idea of paying a grant towards a particular project. And thoughts? Peter, Samford. Yeah, thanks Chair. I pretty much agree with you that they have expanded the explanations since last time that it is just £2,000 towards their project pot. It isn't something they can stand in front of and say this is where Serf Camp's money was spent. So I'm a little uneasy with this. Yes. Yeah, I agree with Councillor Samford completely. What are other members? Dr. Cym, Sengita. I can see what you're saying and I agree with you. The general woodland management costs are quite large and it's only a tiny part, obviously, but it'd be perhaps common that it might be more sensible if they'd taken a specific element out of it. For instance, the vector in trees which you could then accord it to. So perhaps they ought to think about how they apply. I'm sure there is something one could support there and it's a very worthwhile project that we're doing, but I think you need to agree with you. You need to identify exactly what it is. I'm not against the principle. I think it's lovely to... and provides lovely settings and keeps our country so beautiful, but it is like a bottomless pit and we're just throwing another £2,000 into it. And I'd really prefer to have seen a proper project that, you know, even if they just said it's those two trees we're treating and it'll cost £2,000 to sort them. A maybe... Can I propose a deferral again? Or would you prefer to say no, thank you? Or even yes, please? Sinjita. Maybe I think I would prefer a deferral because maybe they can identify something. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not in favour of deferral in a second time. I think we should actually refuse this, but encourage them to come back with an application which kind of meets, you know, I'm sure that Emma can relay our concerns to them and that they can be a little bit more imaginative. Yep. Okay. Are we in favour? We've had a proposal for a deferral. I mean for a refusal. All in favour? Okay. That's where we go. We're done. I mean, no, no, we're not quite done. Right. So, that's the conclusion of the business, the community chest. Sorry, wrong. I do believe we also had a recommendation having to do with the FIB, so we might have to hand back to Emma for the other part of our recommendation today. Not in my... Okay. Back to Emma. Thank you. Just one last little recommendation that you'd like you to consider is regarding the criteria in Appendix B and this is in regards to defibrillators. You'll know that we've included defibrillators into the guidance. They are eligible provided the associated accessories and ongoing maintenance and training will be funded by the applicants and that they are accessible all times. We recently made aware of something called defib finder which provides up-to-date information on defibrillator locations. I've had a look at this and it's a fantastic website where you can just literally put in a postcode and you can find out where nearest defibrillators are. We thought this would be quite good to put into the guidance along with the defibrillator section to say that anybody wanting to apply would know before making an application where the nearest defibrillator is. Thank you. Are members happy with that? So more guidance for defibrillators. Yep. Thank you very much. So we move on to the next meeting which I believe is going to be held on the 1st of December. It's scheduled for Friday the 1st of December. You mean we're going to have it on a Friday? Oh, good. Thank you. Any other business? No. Thank you very much and we've made it just in time to build a hop off for his meeting. Hello, John. Yeah. See you then. Thank you very much. Thank you.