 Okay, good evening. I'd like to call the regular Berlin Select Board meeting to order on Monday, June 5th, 2023. Well, with us tonight on my far left is Flo Smith. To my right is Tour Nelson and Joe Stobb. I'm Brad Town and with us also is Dave Sawyer by way of Zoom. Vince Connie, our town administrator and Diane Isabel, our town treasurer. Addition or changes to the agenda? I have none. Public comment. Hearing none. Discussion on changing the classification of Town Highway 74 in Brown's Mill's extension. So you'll have in your package homes of the locations of those. We didn't briefly talk about those a couple of meetings ago. You'll also see some of the statutes in there that we'll have to go through the process. Shouldn't the Board elect to go that way? And I'll let Tim answer the questions as to why these were selected and give me these at all, I'm sure you don't. So the one that goes across the railroad tracks. Town Highway 74, Route 12, yep. That just dead ends at the railroad track. And Tim, you say there's just no place to turn the trucks around. Back and out in the Route 12, and it's becoming more dangerous as there's more traffic on the road than there ever has been. That we have to back out into the highway and you're back and out blind with 25 feet of trucks that can out there before you can see. And on Brown's Mill extension, what little bit you're having to plow, you don't place to put snow. Not really, trees have grown up, but if you have an arrow. Is anyone here on these? Yes. Okay, yes, sir. My name is Mark Dincecco. I live at 56 Browns Mill Road extension, which I believe is the red circled area on your map. Sorry, I don't have access to these documents, so I can't see exactly where they're at. Feel free to, if you wanna take a look. Thank you. So clearly, I'm here to advocate for the now to continue plowing the extension and taking care of that piece of road. It's an important point of ingress, of course, and egress from my property. In no prior year, and in talking to my neighbors in no prior decade, has there been an issue raised concerning how that portion of the road is plowed, or if it should be plowed or not. There are several areas to push the snow. One is straight ahead as you come off the bridge. There's a summer camp up there, but it hasn't been occupied in quite a while, so the town has regularly put snow there. And then turning left up into my property, as I've communicated to the town several times, and has been the practice over decades, that snow is pushed up the hill and off to the side. A portion of that land is town land, and a portion of that land is my land. I've signaled to the town in writing this past year, and I'm 100% okay with pushing that snow into my property. No problem at all, because on the plus side, it allows me to get out. It allows fire, ambulance, utilities, oil delivery, et cetera, to get in. The town were cease doing that, and I would of course have to pick up maintaining that portion of the road, which I work for three mountain power. I am frequently out on trouble calls at all hours, at all times, so being able to get in and out of that portion of the road is extremely important to me, so then I can attend to critical infrastructure issues. And in the notice I received in the mail, it indicated that there was a safety issue. I'm not aware of any prior safety issues or incidents, so I would be, of course, happy to hear what incidents may have occurred, when they occurred, and what the type of incident may have been. Of course, working for utility. I'm very, very familiar with safety protocols, especially around large vehicles, and so I'm curious to understand what exactly the issue might be. I think probably when it comes down to the safety issues, it's just backing, one thing, if you go up and turn around and come back, I think just backing the trucks out into a travel portion of the road is what was brought up. I don't think that portion of the road would be fairly described as a traveled portion of the road. There's a T there, so going up and coming back, or coming back and wheeling to the right is completely possible, and as a matter of precedence, it has been done that way for decades. You said there was a camp up there? Yes. Straight ahead, you just keep going straight. It's where your phone is. The main road continues this way, there's a camp up here. Not on the extension road. Oh, it's up here. It goes straight through up in here. Oh, that is the entrance to the camp. There's a driveway up there. The camp road, how long is that up to the camp itself? I mean, that's a private driveway. I'd say it's 100 yards long. Okay, I'm just curious. And my portion of the extension is probably 40 to 50 feet. I mean, it picks up at my property line. Now, your portion of the road, you plow that, or you have it plowed? Yeah. I do it myself. There wasn't an original email, Vince doesn't have it on, and I probably have it online. And then last year, what that's causing property damage, the hitting trees, leaving debris, which kind of stems some of this. Yeah, because that was November, December. I think it was one of the first times that we plowed when it was extremely soft, taking the email. But there was some property damage that we pushed the stone wall over and some other stuff in that email. Push the stone wall. Somewhere is, I guess where that top arrow is, to your left. Up here? Right here. Summary is down on the area. I believe you referred to it as there was a seating area and a small fireplace outdoor, summer area. I would be happy to produce that email and show you that. I did not describe the destruction of the stone wall. It is true that the plow has gone beyond the end of the extension into my property and pushed the snow into that area. In the heavy wet snowstorm of December, I agree the road was in poor soft shape at the time. And so the result of that was, for the first time since I've lived there, a lot of rocks, like big rocks and debris, got pushed into that area. And it did affect a tree that is sitting right at that wall. This tree has since died, but I don't care, honestly. I'll cut the tree down. So no, and in the same email to the town, I wrote several emails to the town. I also indicated that I am happy to work with the town in any capacity that they choose to find a place to push the snow, accommodate any turnaround or space needs that they need to trim or move anything that's necessary so that we can continue to keep that portion of the road open. At a curiosity, what's the sign on the tree? It's a posted sign from the prior owner. Mr. Chair, looks to me like before we can do anything. Further, as far as the formal reclassification, we'll need to do a site visit of both locations. I recommend we go ahead and do that. And based on the property once possible, we can just drop it right there or come up with another agreement or if we need to move forward, we can. But I think scheduling the site visit I think would be a good way to go. That's a line with the process that we need to follow anyway. Our statute is a site visit. Absolutely. And then another here. So what's our next meeting look like? Right now, there's only a couple things on the agenda. Do you want to do it with the next meeting? I would say sorry, Derek. I think I saw something 30 days notice. Yep. So looking at her July. Yeah, it'd be the first meeting. So you actually got a 30 day notice. You're right. You have to get the notice out right off. Yep. I can get a notice out tomorrow. Okay, for a site visit. And I'll work with Mr. Ark on his availability. Yep, I can be available anytime. Typically, you want to try to have it separate or do you want to have it at the next, the first meeting in July? Well, I'd like to get this taken care of. I would say, I don't know if you want to do it. We did a separate one that's probably more convenient. 30 days actually puts us up to July 5th. 30 days from today. Then you got the holiday. Which was the next meeting after that was the 17th. It puts us at the third. 30 days puts us on Monday the third of July. But that's a holiday. That's a holiday. Well, I'm gonna save the date for the 17th, July 17th. When's the second meeting July? 17th. 17th. Would you rather have it, or would you rather have the second meeting? We can have the first meeting. If we're gonna have the third is a holiday, we would have it on Monday the 10th. We can have the first meeting on Monday the 10th. Yeah. We can do a 10th. Everybody available then? Dave? Yeah, it looks good to me. Okay. I was just looking at it, so that would work. Okay, so let's, I work for the property owner as well. Excellent. So if we were to schedule that at five. Five, yeah. And then give us an hour to get back here, or a few minutes to get back here. Yep. Okay. Perfect. We'll see you then. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Vince, if you hear anything from people on the counter. I'm not hearing anything from them. Oh, I thought you're on site business. Oh, I said I'll reach out and let them know we're gonna be there. I'll tell you in a few days. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll do it at the same time. Yeah. And the worst will happen is we'll have to start to select more, the original for the, select more meeting a little late at 6.30. Yeah. But when you notice it, just put it out at 6.30 or 7. Yeah. Put it out late. Put it out a little bit later. Mm-hmm. Okay. Chief requests approval for a purchase replacement of Axon body cameras. This is what we talked about at the last meeting. Kind of on the spot. It wasn't enough notice. Yep. We put it back on this meeting, so. Chief has all the details. So we have to replace three of our Axon body cameras. So what I have here is a quote from Axon. They do it over a seven-year period of payments. At the end of those 52 months, we're looking at a total of $16,000, or roughly $16,000 per day, over those 52 months. And it's broken down over that period each year, expected. Don't really have an option of replacing the cameras. We need them desperately, guys, now. We're having to come back mid-shift and replace their camera with someone else's because they're not holding it in charge. We're having to start their shift with no camera, which is not optimal. The good news is that due to our current agreement with the hotel, we've been generating some income with that. We're looking at probably over the last few months of the close to $9,000 that they're on the hook for us. Is there an interest to that extended payment? No. You mean collecting interest over the time? I mean, I was just saying, if you pinned up front or if there was interest to it, you could save a few bucks. I think we might have done that the last time we placed a couple of cameras because there was a benefit to that. Leave the cities and towns as well when you cover some of the costs. If we made a one-time payment, we're not eligible for that grant currently because it's still in the fiscal year. Did they cut any break for turning in the old cameras by any chance? I saw that it's pretty much the only game in town so they cut me absolutely no. No, it's okay. I think the game was $300 off. And how soon are they able to ship the new unit? Probably within a month once we open it. It'll be pretty quick. Mr. Chair, I move that we authorize the purchase of three bodycams from Axon Enterprises. Total cost is $16,336 over 52 months. And this will be made as they're the only viable contractor available. Second. Now, is any of the APA funds left? And how long can we... We have until December of 24th to have the balance of that obligated. They're not to be spent, but it has to be obligated. And I think right now we've got right around 200,000. What? Yeah, where is it? Is it lost? Is it lost? Again, we're trying to reconcile it and make sure but it's somewhere in that range. It probably is a little longer. I'm sure like 170, but there are other things that we haven't got prices on yet. So no matter what, we probably have enough that we had to use it. To cover that, yes, we would. And the good news is even if we didn't, the fact that there's no interest on it over the course of the five year payments, not five year, but 52 month payments. That's good, good question. Any further discussion on this? All those in favor? I have a question. Sure. Do you have any cameras on, let's say on the shelf, for spares, nothing, there's nothing in there. We have to share cameras. You're sharing cameras. Nine or 10 cameras. Because if it's gonna be, it was three, you're gonna be enough. I was gonna say, it's gonna be nice both this time and for the next year probably. Okay. It's hard for me to predict the original versions of Axon, the battery, the key issue is the batteries. Once the batteries go, they're gone. There's no just replacing the battery. The original versions of Axon, the batteries last a little bit. Less than this time, perhaps because they do more than they originally did, I really don't know. They probably have about a three or four year life span. Any other discussion on this? Very none, those in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Town clerk requests for approval of purchase NEMRIC module for digitizing used to carry. Yes, she was at the last meeting and gave us an information request on that and so. My chief. Thank you chief. Thank you chief. So what she's giving me, she, first of all, most of all does, she couldn't be here tonight. There's the, as she said before, the $500 setup fee and an annual fee of $500 for maintenance on that. And she can have that probably available to go live if the board approves it within two weeks. She does have money in her software support account, she said, of about $1,000 that covers that in the 23 budget and also in the 24 budget, so. You mean combined? No, no. Okay. It's budgeted, there's 1,000 in the 23 budget and another 1,000 in the 24 budget. That is her update. I had an email discussion today with Rachel and Diane. There's an article in VT Digger, sorry Dave, this weekend about a new software package the state is pushing on the town's called VT Pine. I don't know if that stands for property or something or other through the tax department. The article made it sounds like that would replace NEMREC, but I don't know. But it doesn't sound like it's anything eminent. I'm not supposed to be starting to phase in, but I think, you know, if you have this up and running. We're not high. We're not high. And that's making me hungry, but. We're not high. I was like, I'm just saying. I'm assuming that we can get this up and running in a couple of weeks. I think we still should move forward with this, even though we might be replacing it in a couple of years. I think it's worth a while. Maybe two or three years from, and it's possible that we'll continue NEMREC. You know, it's still, there's still a lot of pieces of this puzzle that haven't been completed. So, but at least for the next 12 months, we'll be able to use this because we're not high. We're not going to use it. We will not use it for tax though, but at least for a year and a half. So I'll make the motion that we authorize the purchase of the NEMREC module for digitizing the listed cards on the line. And I'll second that motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Bridge sidewalk maintenance agreement with AOT. Okay, so again, NEMRE package at your leisure. There is a sample one from Guilford that I was able to get from the state of Vermont of what that looks like. I did attempt to get one from East Montpelier. That was originally recommended, but they can't seem to put their hands on it. I apologize for that. If they find it, they will send it to me. But the only example I've been able to get is this one from Guilford. It's pretty straightforward. Again, my recommendation is to look through it. Maybe I'll put it on the agenda for the next meeting for a decision. If we want to move forward with this one, then I'll do one for a draft one up. I mean, I fundamentally have problems with this. The strategy of the Vermont Agency of Transportation is to promote walkability, multi-motor pedestrian, bicycle-friendly infrastructure. We see how much of a mess that made them bury Montpelier Road doing this. And now they're trying to hold it over us. I'm totally in favor of the sidewalk on the bridge. I just think that since this is state infrastructure, it should be a state responsibility to do. And I'm not liking that they're trying to put this on the towns. We're not equipped for this. So if we were gonna take this on, we're probably gonna have to outsource it or somehow figure it in, which is another added cost to the town. Probably be a small cost, but everything adds up and everything gets more expensive over time. And it's just another thing that makes Berlin less affordable to live in. More direct to the point, I really have a problem with the wording of this particular contract. I mean, granted, it's not what ours would say, but probably very close. I think it's very ambiguous. It just says, be responsible for maintenance of the sidewalk improvements, including about not limited removal of snow and ice. What does that mean? I mean, when I hire my plow guy every winter, I at least have an agreement with them, two inches or more, you come out. Don't stand unless I call you to. This just says, including but not limited removal of snow and ice. Does that mean every time a state truck goes by, we got to go out and do it? Is that two inches? Is it, what exactly were we expected to do with this? With this contract? It's my concern specifically with that. And then also, you know, says for the maintenance, is that even the future assets infrastructure starts to crumble, we're responsible for repairing and maintaining the concrete itself. As what's been laid out to me, I'm not at all in favor of this. I will make the motion now that we do not move forward on this, but I would be open to further discussions with the agency of transportation as far as any other options they may want to come up with, propose. I'm just surprised, Tori, that you didn't take and include the state pushing snow onto what we have to take care of. Well, I just figured we would just pull it back onto the bridge. I'm kind of wondering when they got out of the business of taking care of the sidewalks on the bridges. It wasn't many years ago that they were shoveling all their bridges to include the sidewalks. Well, Mr. Chair, I just want to second Tori's motion before we get into too much more discussion on it. Okay, any further discussion? Anything, Dave? I agree with Tori on this thing. I don't think they should be put it on the town when it's a state infrastructure, even though it resides in the town of Berlin. I talked with Vince this morning about it also, it's pretty much the same. There's no other sidewalk down there. There's no crosswalks, there's no sidewalks. It's just sidewalk on the bridge. It's kind of difficult for us to maintain just a hundred feet of sidewalk in the middle of the snowstorm. And then, like, Tori just said, like, one of the images is if somebody hits the railing on the outside of the bridge and are we liable to repair it or is the state going to repair it because it's on the sidewalk portion of the bridge? My problem with it is just the timing. In other words, you have somebody who you hire or somebody who goes down there and cleans the sidewalk off in five minutes late as the state plows the road. Correct. So all that time and effort is wasted. I will reach out to AOT and let them know that we'd like to have further discussion around this. I am totally in favor of the sidewalk on the bridge. I don't want to make it, I don't want to give the residents there any, I don't say concern or anything, but I think there's got to be a better way of achieving this. I mean, the reason everybody's using that sidewalk is because those mailboxes are over by the fire department. We find it different places to locate them in the little bird of Riverton, I think it'd be a better, better, or at least part of a solution to it too. Any other discussion on this? All those in favor of the motion? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. I'm going to say that's probably treasurer. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, she's a treasurer. Presents. You have a document in your package. She is a treasurer. So I did email this to you as well if you've got it in your package today. And what I'm trying to do is from FY22 we wrote a lot of money into reserves that we were going to spend in FY23, and we did. So I need to move those out of the reserves. But also I'm looking to put in $418,000 into reserves of which 305,000 of that is equipment. And we are trying to build up an equipment fund so that they start paying cash for the equipment. So that's the majority of it. And also there was money that we did not spend in the highway department that I would like to reserve to spend in FY24. So I'm asking the select board to approve the reserves so that I can do these in FY23. So the red amounts are rolling out. Yes. And then the remainder is moving in. I want to put in two reserves. And how much was remaining in the highway funds that you are going to utilize? Roadside rolling, that's all. About $85,000. $85,000 approximately. Thank you. I move that we move, we authorize the movement of $54,262.25 out of the reserves. And that we further authorize to move $418,077.34 into the reserves based on this provided by the treasurer. And I second that motion based on what we heard tonight from our treasurer. Any further discussion on this? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All those in favor? Thank you, Diane. Motion carries. Townington, policy. OK, so in your package you will see one that looks like this, which is one that has comments from Tor on this one. And you'll also have a copy of the original one as presented prior to those comments in there. Again, I don't think we're ready to make a decision on this yet. I think we need to look at it. I need to incorporate Mr. Nelson's comments into another draft and present it to the board for review. And again, if any of you others have additional comments, just send them to me. We'll do another round of revising this. One of the recommendations on this that I'd like to make if the board approves is where it refers to staff. We really don't have any staff that's out there looking at this. The closest thing that we have is really our police. And I think I have not talked to the chief, but I will before I make that change, but I'm going to recommend removing, changing the word, staff to police. Typically, Brad does a lot of interaction with the folks out there and our police force. Much more so than our huge staff. And then I will get that out to the board. Once it's drafted with these changes as well, put it on the minutes again for another review and discussion to try to move this forward. That sounds great. Most of my comments, I would say, are just editorial in nature. Just minor changing the wording stuff. However, on my version on the page, 13 of 16, I know we kind of discussed it at the last meeting, gets back to the story of the stuff that we picked up. And philosophically, I'm not wanting us to get into the business of storing stuff. However, I'm not sure, legally, under the concept of abandoned property that we can just dispose of it that easily. So maybe more involved in that, it may require reaching out to the league or our attorney to see what the case president is on that. There's a law student, first year law student, I know. In his first semester, he'd been talking to me about abandoned property and I glanced him over. So I asked him about it a couple of weeks ago. I was studying for a second semester and he confused me even more. But it might be why he only got a C on one of his classes, I don't know. I'll take an action to follow up on that. Okay, if you would be on CST and through the statutes, what is described as abandoned property, and I'm sure there's a statute of animal we have to follow that somewhere. I'll see what that says and I'll try to incorporate, change the language to incorporate that in some way. That sounds wise. For the next review. Just a motion to take over to the next meeting. I make the motion to table the discussion regarding the encampment response until the next meeting after the revisions and what we discussed this evening. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Support and approval, resolution for support and approval of this. It's signed for Route 302 sidewalk and bike lanes. Yeah, this will be talked about the last meeting that Carla had explained. There is a typo in the agenda. It should not say Route 302, it should say Newtown Center. This is a draft of that along with a mat. Yeah, I just got these today so they were not in your package. This is the one I signed if the board agrees to. That is a draft of the grant application and that what's in yellow here is the sidewalks and the like path following up Newtown Center. And again, this is, that resolution is for the board's approval for me to sign off on that, basically applying for the grant to move it forward. Doesn't say we have to accept it yet. Doesn't even say that we have it yet. But there is a 20% match to that, which is equivalent to, should we get it, would be $110,000 for the match or a total of $550,000 for that grant. What's your timeframe, Vince, on needing to have it signed by us? I think it's Friday. Okay, the only reason I was asking is because of the typo on the agenda for tonight and the fact that residents wouldn't have known that it was specifically for this. They would have thought it was Route 302. That's the only reason I was asking. In addition to that, just to mention what else is out there that's being worked on for grants right now, there is a $2 million loan with a $200,000 contribution with the mall for the relocation of the new road as well that we're looking at. It's a low interest loan, basically that we would work with the mall to obtain and have a contribution towards that, rebuild the reconstruction of the road as well. Also in that one, included in that $2 million is the water system to the 3.8 acres would be included in that as well of the new town property over there in that loan. That's also an addition to that that's being worked on. Yes, I do. Thank you. Well, since there's, I guess a motion for the resolution of support, I move that we adopt the resolution in support of the bicycle pedestrian grant program application for the new town center. And authorize, just to be a bit there. Yep. Here a second? I'll second that. Any further discussion? Other than the 302 error, we're just going to take the resolution as no money. There's no money like that. It's just to apply for it, basically to support the application of the board. It's for the board to sign. Any other discussion? If we're approved, it'll come before the board again. We'll put it before the board again for acceptance. We want to move forward with it at that time or not. Right, so there's that option as well at that point. Okay, those in any other discussion on this? Those in favor? All right. All right. My motion carries approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 23-24 for payroll from May 7th, 2023 to May 20th of this year, paid on May 24th of this year in the amount of $66,080.86. Also payroll warrant 23-25 for payroll from May 21, 2023 to June 3rd, 2023, paid on June 7th of this year in the amount of $66,153.97. And payable warrant 23-G22 with checks 22973 to 23044 for payables in the amount of $300,924.82 and the May reconciled bank statements for the general fund and the sewer water divisions. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? All right. All right. Motion carries approval of May 15th, minutes of 2023. I make the motion to approve the regular select board minutes for Monday, May 15th, 2023 as presented to us this evening. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? All right. All right. Motion carries. Sound table full? Nothing this evening, thank you, Chair. Dave. I don't have anything this evening. Tour? I have two items, Mr. Chair, from the public works board. The first is our long-time sewer contractor, Ron Mercier, retired last week after 46 years of service to the town. Good great job. We wish him well in retirement. Now it's up to all the work supervisor, Craig Pelletier, it's all on him. He's been trained up to this enough and ready to go. The second thing, and I think Finchie kind of had a chat with Chair Rae Ballin kind of about a philosophical as far as the future of the public works board. If that is to be needed as a separate organization moving forward, I'm just going to bring to your attention now that there might be more discussions on that coming up in the future. I'm not coming to agenda. Mr. Allen will be invited in as well. The bottom line is at this point, they feel that with Craig in place now, the time may be to consider eliminating the board and start having those discussions. Okay. How long has it been that we've had the supervisor the supervisor on for the public works board? He started January 1st or January 3rd. January 1st? Yes. This is the sixth month. Okay. And previously terminated the contract for the water side with Simon operating probably in March or February. Slowly getting weaned off contractors. Any else, George? No, sir. Joe? I'm good, thank you. I have nothing. Diane? Vince? Oh, I'm so glad you asked. You did like sneak up. Now, just a couple of things real quick. With the new phone system, right? I know in the past we've always learned how many calls are we getting, and what's the workload look like? We can do that now with the new phone system. So just as an example, from just this side of the building for the month of May, the office had either incoming or outgoing 790 phone calls to the number on this side. And it could be broken down even further. Should the board ever want that? I can run reports now to tell you that Diane had whatever, 150 calls this week, whatever number you'd care to look at. We have that ability now to have that available to us. It was over 1,400 with the police on their side as well. So there's, again, it just gives you an idea of the volume of calls coming in and going out of the offices now. So we can see that. The clerk's office was the winner last month with 248 calls just into the clerk's office. It was five more than the treasurer and the assistant treasurer's office. They were 243. Those calls go down a little bit. The more we digitize the town clerk's office. They probably will when the records go online because people don't have to call in for appointments and schedule. They email for appointments as well. They do that as well. But they may go down. We'll know. Again, the good news is, we'll be able to tell by real numbers once that happens as we go. Okay. And again, to the chief's point, $4935 was the bill last month that we had mentioned with the hilltop. It might be more than that. I'm the one that does the bill. That's just his. You've got to add the annual fee to that. I'll be adding that. So it'll be more than that. Yeah. And there'll be another $400. Are they staying current with those? That was what I was going to ask as well. They paid the March bill and I sent the April bill out, probably without, since about the beginning of May. I haven't seen that money yet. Let me know that. Just remind me, because again, we're meeting with them every two weeks. I'm happy to have them write me a check before I leave. Yeah. I was talking to the chief about that today. He will have all this. Okay. Perfect. That's wonderful. So, yeah. So, Vent. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I had a question on that. Based on this extension that they allowed the 15 days, do we know what the number is going to drop to up there after the 15th? We have a pretty good idea, David. I'm going to give you a number off the top of my head from the meetings that I've been attending, but that's subject to change, but it should be pretty close. It looks like it's going to be about 30 people from the hilltop. It'll drop down to 30 or reduce by 30? It'll reduce by 30. By 30. Okay. Right. Yeah, I was just curious, because I know they're still working on trying to extend this program. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I was just curious what it should drop by. Yeah, it should be around 30, I believe, for the first go-around. Then there'll be a second go-around that'll be probably a little bit higher, depending, but that hasn't been confirmed yet to us. Then the last one I have is kind of a question we kind of hit on a little bit tonight. At the next meeting with the board, like a breakdown in status of what the Acre Funds are. Sure. We've started a reconciliation, and I think we are, we're around 170, 270 and 175,000 still in the account for that. And again, they don't have to be spent, but they have to be obligated by December of 24th. I think that would be wise to look at. It's time. I mean, we haven't done one in at least three months, so, okay, I'll make sure we get that out there. That's great. Is that it? That's it for me. Okay, any executive session? No, sir. Motion to adjourn. I make the motion to adjourn tonight. It's regularly scheduled for the board meeting. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. We're adjourned.