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I'm Almost said drunk, but I'm not that would just be a lie And that's not a good kind of that's not impressed kind of Monday the best kind of Monday Do you ever like the band happy Mondays? I don't I well I mean, I don't not I just don't know that trick question Hey, I was really excited how many people responded to the ask me anything on the Daily Tech news show sub reddit If you missed it, I'll still pop in there and maybe answer some questions Here in there and you can see all the other ones at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Patrick Beja is gonna do the next one Veronica, I think you're up on deck to do one in the future. I didn't know I didn't know you were doing AMAs I'm actually doing one for product hunt about podcasting and stuff next week I think or coming up soon within the next month Scotty Rowland The the mod one of the moderators in the DTS subreddit is setting them up So I bet you'll be hearing from him. I don't know if people want more AMAs for me I've already done two and they typically get kind of piled on with Nastyness, so maybe I like about doing it in the DTS subreddit. You just get Kind of cool. We're gonna talk about whether we need more uber like services, but let's start off with the headlines Bloomberg reports that HTC's market value fell to below forty seven point two billion new Taiwanese dollars That's less than it has in cash. So it's worse less than the cash it has on hand Essentially that means investors see no value in the HTC brand or the factories or the other assets the company's owns That may be not cementically true, but that's sort of the economic reality right now Analysts see no profit for HTC through the end of 2017 and none Recommend that investors buy the stock even though it's valued at again less than the amount of cash they have on hand That's that's gnarly that is that's pretty bad And I I don't want to pile on but for researchers for a security company fire I discovered the HTC one max stored fingerprint data in an unencrypted image file They presented those findings at black hat. They also gave HTC advanced warning of the issue and HTC has now patched the flaw Okay one Why Did you not catch that? I try not to be too hard on companies because things are complex, but that shouldn't have happened I think that's reasonable to say yeah Unencrypted fingerprint. I mean fingerprint think of how Apple and Samsung went to such great lengths to describe how they secure Your fingerprint data right when in their implementations, but also man Well, how about what bad timing to have that hit black hat right as this news about your market cap? Yeah, I guess I guess it's good I mean one of the one of the big pros about black hat is that a lot of these things get exposed and companies have an Opportunity to to fix them And which they have but at the same time you're right the timing is just really gnarly Because it kind of makes you feel like they're not paying attention or this is an ongoing issue especially something that's so Important and some other companies like you said have have really gone to task with So yeah, that's that's not great for HTC, which is too bad because I like HTC as a company I like their products. Yeah, they make very good phones. Almost everyone agrees. They do no one buys them But we don't know why and and to just finish on a positive HTC has patched the flaw Yeah, I said that twice. I'm throwing it out there again. They patched it. Yeah Adobe and page fare issued a report estimating ad blocking will cost 22 billion dollars in lost advertising revenue this year If you're wondering how they figure that out potential revenue was calculated by dividing the reported revenue for 2014 from advertising and dividing that number by the ad blocking rate in any particular country and then adding that all together Reports says almost 200 million people worldwide regularly use ad blocking software ads are not blocked in great numbers on mobile yet Though that may change as more plugins are developed Including ad support for our adding in support for ad blocking in iOS 9. Do we feel bad about that or do we feel okay about that? I never know how I feel about this because I want to I don't want people to not make money for the content They're producing especially for you know come big even bigger companies bigger media companies something like the New York Times Which is this is being reported on, you know requires some of their money come from advertising costs Especially since they're not making as much money on subscriptions anymore, but at the same time nobody likes ads So where do you find that balance? It's it's tricky because on the philosophical level I agree that hey, you know what a company that's making his money off ads Needs to have their ads be seen and if you're taking that away that seems unfair on the technical side of it though The reason people do ad blocking is because of overreaching on the part of Advertisements both in the tracking area and in like being annoying taking over pages causing problems I had to to reload a video I wanted to watch this morning three times because the ad just failed to load And I feel like if I had ad blocking software running in that particular browser Probably wouldn't add a problem. It would just skip right on past it, right? So yeah, I feel like this is actually the natural give-and-take of the way the technology works Which is people taking matters into their own hands and saying no, you know what? I have the right to block malicious scripts. I have the right to block any script I'm gonna use the EFFs tool to block persistent cookies because I don't agree to them And I don't have another way to opt out of them So I'm going to use legal technical measures to say what things on your website you get to execute or not if you're a good Citizen then I won't want to block ads on your page And if you're not then I will and maybe that will help improve the ad experience for everybody So I guess I'm landing a little bit on the consumer side of things But I also don't think that all ads should be eliminated. I think that just mean need to Fit into the way you just the douchey ones. Yeah, get rid of the douchey ones kick them out Our is Technica reports Android will support Vulkan a low overhead mobile graphics API from the Chronos group Like direct X 12 for Windows and metal for iOS Vulkan gives more direct access to the GPU relaying relying less on drivers Vulkan should work with any GPU that supports open GL ES 3.1 10 is that v10 Vulkan won't be finalized until later this year So no date on its implementation in Android Google will continue to support open GL ES alongside Vulkan Yeah, so, you know, this is the hot new hotness Which is like minimizing the driver and giving devs more direct control over what happens in the graphic processor It means it a little more work But they get a more fluid stream makes the graphics look better Everybody wins and Vulkan is open for anybody to use on any platform too So just because Google using it doesn't mean it's an Android only and no there is no 10 there or v or 5 there rather It was just a a v flown randomly as they do in my life Two walls of text Yeah, I know sorry about that Reuters reports Foxconn will start assembling phones for Xiaomi in a factory located in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, India The red me to pre Red me to premium. I think Is an India specific version of the red me to and it'll be the first phone made and sold in India for 6999 rupees it's about 110 dollars US India is Xiaomi's second largest market though It ranks seventh in shipments there the market is dominated by Samsung and micro max if you didn't know Foxconn had closed down Operations in India last year after Nokia stopped making phones there So it's their chance to get back into manufacturing things there It helps Narendra Modi with his you know, we're gonna make things in India and keep the jobs here campaign And it's the red me to prime Gotcha Google released hangouts for for Android with its material design look Google says it should now be easier to start a conversation or group find people and add attachments The new hangouts should also be faster and use less battery Finally, you can make traditional phone calls from hangouts without outbound call outbound Outbound caller ID receive and reply to group MMS messages in hangouts with Google voice and use hangouts on Android wear The new hangout is rolling out to Android users today and will be available in the play store Nice and if you're using hangouts for all your your SMSing and you're now you now your MMSing This is all good stuff. This is not the hangout video or the hangout on your web desktop, which is what I use more often I guess Financial Times reports Google is rebooting its Android one project according to the next web Google wants to lower the price to two thousand to three thousand rupees. That's about thirty to fifty dollars US They initially were targeting around a hundred dollars US The reboot will also start an investment program to bring smaller businesses online with content curated specifically for an Indian market Google is also developing products suited to the slower connection speeds that many Indian customers are faced with So not giving up, but this means that the initial run not as successful as they had hoped Yes I'm guessing yeah, but it's a it's a cool program Android one in and as far as like encouraging Manufacturers to make affordable phones on that on that entry level into smartphones. So I hope it does catch on Yeah, interesting a lot of Indian news today. Yeah Yeah, we're all we're all about the rupees Mm-hmm. In fact, we already got somebody suggested show me the rupees as the yes I hope that was funny. I thought that was funny, too Thank you to our subredditors by the way whether be they the moderators who are awesome or just people in their submitting stuff Chard sent us a Mashable article chronicling the latest installment in the epic tale of copyright and consequence Do you remember back in July? It's not that long ago. Do you remember pixels came out? Yeah, some of us Yeah, some of us tried to block that out, but the movie did come out and as they do Movie companies hire companies to block pirated versions of movies Columbia Pictures hired in Tura International to look for copyright violations And in Tura sent a bunch of DMCA takedown notices to Vimeo But apparently as also happens all too commonly All they did was search for the word pixels on Vimeo and then copy and paste all those URLs Way to go. Yeah, that removed several Vimeo posts with the word pixels in it That had nothing to do with the movie and pre-dated the movie in a lot of cases by sometimes up to several years and Best of all it impacted the award-winning short film pixels, which had inspired the premise and the title of the Columbia Pictures movie That is some baloney. That's awful I mean this kind of stuff happens all the time, but it does it if we reported every time something like this happened We'd only ever report this sort of it's very difficult also though from the other side of the of the of the wall because I was I don't know What kind of example word that was anyway? Someone posted reposted all of vaginal fantasies videos on their channel And I had to go through the process of of you know flagging them and complaining about it It was very difficult from my side to prove that I was we were the content owners and Figure out why this was happening and try to get them taken down So they didn't steal views so I guess I've now seen it from the other perspective though. It's not quite such a blanket I didn't go out there and just use software to find all mentions of the word vaginal Yeah, I mean this is the mess that is copyright enforcement Right is that the the content ID is supposed to be able to just find your stuff and say hey This is definitely the same as your stuff Do you want it to be there or not so you shouldn't have to have gone and done that but apparently it didn't and yet It always flat and there's all these flags of the DMCA where the DMCA is so dumb that it's like hey If someone says it's an infringement you got to take it down because that's the way the law works And I have been caught in the situation where I was stopped from monetizing DTNS on my personal channel when I was transferring DTNS from showing on my personal video channel to to the DTNS channel Because it was already existing on the DTNS channel like yes, I know I run both of them. It's okay So yeah All right Well Captain Kipper sent us the verge report that Microsoft has released a private beta version of Cortana for Android That allows Android users to press the home button and speak to Cortana instead of Google now The update still doesn't include hey Cortana support because hardware doesn't allow Cortana the right to always be listening Wow, why you gotta shut Cortana out like that hardware. Hey Cortana girl My windows 10 stuff installed today Haven't really had a chance to use it because I kind of did it overnight and then you know updated everything So I haven't gone back into it yet, but looks looks like everything went well so far By the way, Joey image friend of the show Had a horrible windows 10 upgrade. Oh, no happen, but then he went back and he tried it again Not using the media extender, but just letting it happen naturally and so far so good He even is kind of smitten with Cortana Well, she is She's quite smitten a bowl. She smites you Say yep, absolutely So Android users now you can try putting Cortana on EFC 88 sent in the hot hardware write-up of a vulnerability discussed at black hat 2015 affecting Intel church chips circa 1997 Actually Christopher Domas from Battelle Memorial Institute found that all x86 based processors from Intel dating back to 1997 possibly some AMD ones too are vulnerable to an exploit that could grant access to the system management mode that sends out system errors Full system privileges are required to be able to exploit this vulnerability But once you're in and you have control of the system management mode You can put a root kit in the Fi and Security scanners would never be able to tell it's there Intel is working on a patch as we speak So much interesting stuff coming out of black hat. Yeah black hat is always a Don your tinfoil hat time But I try to remember that all of this stuff is good because these vulnerabilities exist for the bad guys if Without us knowing it if we don't have security researchers like the folks at black hat and Defcon out there exposing them and saying hey Somebody could use this. Let's fix it. Mm-hmm And that is a look at the headlines So our producer Jenny Josephson pointed out a story today about a service in New York launching in beta called locked out The premise is that a lot of times locksmiths are will advertise like a $15 fee to come You know get you back into your apartment or your car But then when they show up they're like, oh, this is harder than we thought your lock is broken It'll be $300 and we're not saying all locksmiths do this, but it can happen and Usually the company's advertising and the phone numbers that you call aren't even the locksmiths themselves They're a lead generation company. So they're a middleman This service locked out is saying look flat fee 75 bucks. You get you get you back into your home or car We'll have guaranteed Licensed locksmiths on their way to your house. You can track them by GPS. So it's kind of like uber You know, they're on the way and you won't get bait and switched now They're calling it it's like uber for locksmiths although uber remember uber originally was about ride sharing like I'm going somewhere And I can use uber to you know have somebody get in the car with me if they're going the same way It's not really the way uber most often is used anymore, right? And certainly this isn't locksmiths sharing or somebody's like, hey, I'm pretty good at picking locks Let me go, you know, I'll I'll share my skill with you Yeah, but it makes me wonder like whether it's sharing economy or not. We're getting a lot of companies that are uber for Whatever, how many of those do we need? It's yeah, it's funny living in San Francisco because I feel like we you know New York gets us a lot too But San Francisco and the Bay Area in particular get a an early look at a lot of these companies before they've kind of Taken off in in other parts of the country. So for example, we were like some of the first to have Instacart We were the first to have uber all these things that have become pretty common place Clearly not for everyone in the city But for you know people of of of means Typically, so it's it's it's weird because a lot of these services they still exist They're just they're they're still out there. You can still get people to come and and and open your lock for you I mean that is not a thing that was difficult to do But it's it's it's almost like repackaging things that already existed under the mantle of sharing economy the uber for whatever whatever and making it more Palatable or or cool or or convenient. I'm not really sure But pretty much if there's a service that exists now you can get an app for it to to have it done for you In some cases, it's good because you're you're just making it easier to find people who are doing this anyway And so some more business is being thrown their way But you know there's also an argument that potentially it damages mom and pop organizations that maybe don't have the means or don't have the Knowledge of how to get hooked up with these services And become a provider for that service. So yeah, it definitely goes both ways But I don't know how I feel about it I think overall I start to feel kind of annoyed even though I make use of a lot of this stuff Why are you annoyed? I feel I just I'm like oh another thing really I can't just look online for a phone number of a locksmith. I need an app for that now Well, and I think that's the I think that's the point right is some of these make sense uber made sense because Taxi services in most cities operate on some sort of restricted basis, right? You have to have a license There are only a certain number of licenses or medallions or whatever that are issued and so they don't have to serve Parts of the city that they don't want to serve because they can limit the competition and uber came in and said What if there were limitless medallions? What if there were limitless licenses? Here's what we could do to outcompete taxi companies So that was a particular situation that they took advantage of but not everything Works like that and so you get into what you were just talking about with Perception and is it just cool? Having food delivered to you through an app We've been able to do that. There's been services that have been able to deliver from everywhere You just had to phone them instead of using an app It's really interesting though because things like postmates which started as a as a carry-all for anything You could have them go pick up documents. They were essentially a bike courier system That was easy to to request. They don't really seem to even do that anymore. They're pretty much Exclusively food delivery at this point and that market is crazy saturated right now. I mean, we've got postmates We've got especially around here. We've got caviar. We've got seamless. We have or dad hub We've got they combined, you know There's there's at least ten different services that are super easy to download And then there's a weird like lunch services like spoon rocket and sprig and order ahead order ahead And there's so many options, but man, they're expensive. They are not cheap And I am glad that the drivers are hopefully getting paid what they're worth for for this service I hope that's happening. I can't be sure unless I start going out and talking to them But it's you know, sometimes it's just more worth it to go pick it up your damn self because I'm not willing to pay 20 bucks for for food delivery for $20 worth of food The other night we were looking at postmates and we're like, oh they do in and out Like let's just try it. It seems a little silly. We could totally drive to in and out But you have to wait in a long line at the in and out at both in and outs that are with a driving distance for us You know, you're sitting in your car for a while a lot of times it gets cold on the way home So we're like, well, maybe that maybe that'll solve that maybe they'll have a nice heated container They can keep it warm $18 delivery fee because it was they didn't call it surge pricing. I think they called it blitz pricing. Oh Geez, yeah, and then even when we're like, well, I guess we could just call it an experiment We pressed okay, and it was taking forever to find a driver. We're like that forget it, you know We're not gonna do it and and again not that I'm against delivery But delivery got free restaurants used to charge for delivery and then it got free because restaurants were competing with each other Especially pizza places, right? They're like, oh, we'll have free delivery and then we'll sell more food I think we might get there eventually But all all you're getting from these apps is just I can order it through an app instead of picking up a phone, right? Right It's yeah, it's it's it's it's almost it almost seems like too much I feel like it's going to at least in cities like San Francisco in New York where these things are very common place It's it's very convenient, but I feel like that the system has to collapse at some point There's yeah, I know me Well, there's too many and they're just middlemen. Yeah, not actually disrupting anything Right. I mean, I guess Airbnb is a little bit because it's actually to the sharing economy, right? I own a house. I own a condo and I share it that happens more often with Airbnb On most of these though The the ones that pick up your laundry or do tasks for you. They're just they're just being a middleman They're just saying oh, there's all of these people to do these services already And we're just gonna hook you up with them and charge a fee and that's how we make our money Yeah, ah, that's that's it. Yeah, it's it's frustrating, but it is it in some ways. It's very interesting That they're they're finding these like little niche markets and making companies out of them like going back to locked out for example But at the same time, I mean, I don't know how much good it is how sustainable it is and and then we have to worry about Is it going to be damaging damaging the little guys? I think the curation part Of it is what's interesting too where if you can say well I trust locked out even though it's a little more expensive than the ads because I know That they're delivering good people and I think that that's a lot of times why people use uber instead of Lyft or the other competing services Is they you know for for for good or ill does it bring up the overall quality? That's another thing is it bring up the overall quality of the services offered when there is an option like this That guarantees a level of service does that make other people have to stand up and say okay? Well, you know, I'm gonna charge you 50 bucks and you'll get someone there in 10 minutes no matter what so there There's that position as well that maybe it kind of elevates the the I don't know what to call it genre Not genre right it could be that we're just in the early part of the shakeout where it's it's it's Finding the weaknesses in the system so to speak yeah But as Fred said in the chat room daily first-world problems new show. Yeah It's not a first-world problem thing because it's affecting people who aren't necessarily in a higher income brackets I mean yes, America is still considered a first-world country obviously But we have people in lower income brackets who are being affected by this by this bubble of Companies that are making it easy to to get these access to these services for some people, but not all the people So that's something I think we we are trying to talk about as well because it's that that's an issue here, too No, it's a great point You have to be able to afford a smartphone that can have you have the apps With the data plan and the internet and then the and then be able to pay the fee on top of all of that and if you don't These businesses can in some cases Drive out the business that you can afford to go to because they can't compete with it And it doesn't matter if it's not degrading the the quality of the less expensive services or the services that aren't Affiliated with applications because people will just continue to use those the problem happens when they do start degrading the quality or availability of other services like if taxi companies can no longer function in a city because uber Is taking too much business if cabs are no longer available then people who rely on cabs? Occasionally can't afford that next level of service or you know They can't afford a smartphone to access uber which may potentially still be the same cost or cheaper than a taxi cab You still need to have that infrastructure in place personally to be able to use it So there's there's a lot of questions there Now rarely do we ever get to actually do breaking news while we're recording the Daily Tech news show because the tech world Just doesn't really work like that. They plan so many things, but It looks like Larry Page just posted on the Google blog that they have changed the corporate organization of Google and Changed the name of the company Okay, I'm not even kidding you this is from the good. I'm like this wasn't on Google blog dot blog spot calm I'm not sure that I would Believe it, but TechCrunch is reporting it as well We think we can make the company cleaner and more accountable. So we are creating a new company called Alphabet I'm really excited to be running Alphabet as CEO says Larry Page with help from my capable partner Sergei Brin Alphabet is mostly a collection of companies the largest of which of course is Google This newer Google is a bit slimmed down with the companies that are pretty far afield of our main internet products contained in Alphabet instead Good examples are our health efforts life sciences and Calico We believe this allows us more management scale as we can run things independently Susan Wajiski is now, you know has been the CEO of YouTube And she will continue to be part of Google it sounds like which that seems weird But sooner Pichai becomes the CEO of Google, which is a subcompany of Alphabet Okay That was surprising that happened Replace Google as the publicly traded entity and all shares of Google will automatically convert into the same number of shares of Alphabet with all the same rights Which allows them to do everything they ever wanted to do from a to z Including x-labs, right? Yeah, am I right? Yeah, I mean I think it seems to me I Made it look I can't even begin but it does seem to me to at least Start to address that Thing that comes up again and again, which is why is a search company doing x y and z, you know And it sort of provides the answer for that in a way and it's a less creepy way than taking all your information I'll just be honest. That's dumb in my opinion You know, why is ESPN called ESPN? It's just a name, right? We have all kinds of things that no longer do what the name originally meant So, you know like Nokia doesn't make rubber boots anymore and Nintendo doesn't make playing cards But they didn't have to change their name. So I don't understand why Google had to change the name But I guess I guess to Jenny's point the identification of Google as the search engine in particular is is maybe the Do you think that it might that you're now going to have to say I should let you know at this point that my wife works for Alphabet Johnson said on Twitter. She says Guys guys Google is still the verb alphabet is now the noun you curse for co-opting your entire life Perfect. Thank you, Casey Johnson. Once again to the rescue and clarifying this this for us. Yeah Yeah, so pretty weird stuff there and they will continue to trade into the name GOG On Nasdaq as well. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think I feel like we had just been I Had I'm used to that like just Google does all the things. It's not a that's just what it is You can go to ABC dot XYZ and that is that's gonna be this new landing page the corporate site. Yeah ABC dot XYZ man dumb as I think it is Jenny. I think you're absolutely right. I think that's why they did it Yeah, well, hey, if you need something dumb, I'm right here No, no, no, let me be clear. I don't think Jenny I think Google doing this for that reason is silly No, I think that you know in some ways it makes sense to it makes sense to me as a look these guys These are two guys with that have vision and ambition even if it's not something that everybody agrees with all the time and Maybe they feel that they're outgrowing the company that they built in their garage and better to make that now Just a couple years in Relative to the scale that they're I think they're thinking in but it's 15. Yeah, it's more than 15 years I know but if you're thinking in Sergey and Larry scale, maybe that's not that much The other reason could be that they want to more easily spin things off Google has not sold things off very often But that may be changing they may want to be able to divest themselves of things easier and this Deaf kind of corporate structure does make that simpler I mean, maybe it's just a business corporate restructuring that we are all going to have a lot of time Parsing but to me it just it feels like something I was racking my brain trying to think about a company that has done this before and I without an acquisition IBM Okay When the when the whole earth company and and the four different companies that merged to become IBM They did the opposite thing which is they took one of the subsidiaries that was called international business machines and made that the name of the company Rather than the whole earth hyphen it hyphen it hyphen it company. That's the first thing Hmm Harry McCracken says Google a wholly owned subsidiary of dot-dot-dot is not a concept I ever thought it would have to get my head around Yeah, it is interesting. I if you guys can think of other examples, but they don't even have to be of tech of companies that have like I Guess not not promoted. What's the opposite of promoted demoted Their main brand name and change the name of the holding company let us know feedback at daily tech news show calm That's it. Yeah, this is obviously developing because this was just announced and it is very much It is very much a corporate reorganization as Jenny said and it's very much just a game of semantics really it doesn't change the company fundamentally Right. Oh, I love that there's gonna be 18 months of reorgs regardless I'll probably not anymore. I I don't I don't think there will be any more or the fewer reorgs than there would have been anyway, right? Because they're always doing that sort of thing Our pick of the day comes from Joe. He says you should check out this new company abc dot-x 5c called alphabet It's a great investment. They trade out of the name goog, but now he doesn't which it's kind of weird It doesn't make any sense, but I'm giving you any investment device Joe actually Wanted to get the RSS feed behind dear Veronica Before he could find it easily and he used an iTunes page called itunes dot so dash Nick comm its s-o-n-i-k itunes.so-nick Dot-com that can extract the RSS URL for a podcast from any iTunes page So he did it for dear Veronica so he could add it to his dog catcher app on Android And obviously you've got that RSS link out there in the in the clear for everybody now Com but Joe says he's used it for other things too, and it's worked every time for that's awesome Yeah, we we do have the RSS feed up now, but I guess I could have probably found it earlier I had to wait around for some to tell me what it was I could have just used this tool right from the get-go and I have figured it out. That's a great tool Thank you very much Joe the coolest thing about it is you can just search You don't have to go find the iTunes page first and then paste it in you can just go to iTunes dot So Nick dot-com and say I want to find the RSS feed for this Podcast type in the name of the podcast and it'll spit it out for you. That's great Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks All right got some great messages of the day Jake from no climate reference. John's Creek, Georgia Does promotional products distribution and wanted us to know they still use faxes for clients to fill out forms He said they they could fill out the form scan it figure out where that file is Hope it isn't too big for their email service to send figure out exactly which of the 32 email addresses that the supplier needs to be sent To send it maybe print it out for their physical files Compare that to filling out the form of the pen keying in the fax number Which is already on the form pushing send and filing the paperwork done He says I probably have to send a fax of a physical piece of paper at least twice a week Hmm Yeah, you know I I think it's very interesting that that fax is still being used very regularly But some people say it's a security thing a lot of the times Some people say that it's a just convenience, especially when you need a signature on something and you can't use the digital signature Yeah, still apparently use cases Yeah, and this is one that I think points that there needs to be some disruption Like we need to be able to handle and sign documents just as good as we can in paper I like docu sign. I mean I think yeah for yeah I think it's probably probably one of the better ones just for for legally signing documents like that, but yeah Oh, you know we're for document signing Yeah, I was gonna say you know what we could do is we could have people print out and sign something and then have a Black car come to your house and pick it up and drive it wherever How far and then drop it off and wait for the return signature you could call it But that's what postmates started at pretty much Co-executive producer Tony from yes, Portlandia is a documentary Oregon Is a PAX administrator for a medium-sized hospital network PAX stands for picture archive and communications systems used for medical imaging? And he was responding to the news of IBM acquiring merge He said our PAX system is from DR systems, which was just acquired by merge a few months ago He says medical imaging is getting much more elaborate with the number of slices that a CT machine can get for instance climbing exponentially higher 3d reconstructions that can give doctors a virtual model of a person's heart their arteries their veins Automatically stripping away bone and other tissues breast imaging with traditional mammography and tomosynthesis Creating crazy high-resolution images computer aided detection is being used for mammography already Which basically points out areas of interest that it recognizes? So I just thought it was cool that somebody who actually is using this technology We reported on with the acquisition is is directly affected and can explain how it uses. Thanks for that Tony yeah, and then we talked a little bit about the problem of Validating software and whether we could do some kind of bug checking on it David the software engineer Said in order to verify software you need a specification of what the software must do humans create those Specifications not machines so even given the infinite amount of computer horsepower and storage space There's no way to mathematically prove that a program is correct without telling the computer what correct means The problem is telling the computer what the difference between a bug and a feature is Is really hard is it bad that a game opens a TCP IP connection? Or TCP IP port for incoming connections Is that a bug a security hole or is that a feature that allows for multiplayer gaming most software teams have automated tests and pretty much All those teams have a continuous integration system that accepts changes from engineers and Exercises all of the attests against the most recent version of the system and reports back very quickly Probably the most popular continuous integration server is called Jenkins which supports the clustering that he was talking about and its open source He says maybe someday a heuristic system like Watson could be used to help find bugs in software But I suspect in the near term like Watson such a system would be used not to actually find bugs But rather to point to areas of increased concern for humans to then look at and decide Similar to what we were just talking about with medical imaging the computer says ah look here doc He's saying that something like Watson could say it seems like something funny is here Can you check that make sure the code is doing what it should do? and Alan char adds there are a lot of tools and methods that have been developed to encourage testing and improve the quality of software But even with conscientious developers those things still face the difficulty of changing requirements and Scheduling pressure which I think will always work against the desire to produce quality software So he's like even if we had bug checkers They would just change the spec on you halfway through and you start all over again anyway Well, thank you guys to David and Alan and there were several other developers who wrote in with their perspectives on this really appreciate that I Love the idea that a computer would be smart enough to be able to tell if software is Doing the right thing and David put it into perspective for me Which is you basically have to have artificially intelligent software that is aware enough to know what software should be doing? My head hurts yeah And that is it for the Daily Tech news show. Thank you Veronica Belmont as always for joining Anytime well anytime being Monday anytime being Monday when we switch times You can find Veronica at a gadget comm slash dear dash Veronica You just had Anthony carbone on that was good episode got lots of good episodes coming up. I'm sure Indeed always you're welcome back anytime Tom. Hey, thanks. Yeah, I want to answer another question Don't want to push forward, you know, I don't want to horn in you. Let me know when it's okay to jump in I want to answer one seriously next time. I was kind of jokie little okay I'll send you I can send you one today if you'd like okay, that's great. Absolutely That would be awesome and Jenny Josephson our producer jumping in with a little perspective there as well. 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Yeah, that was awesome Well So would you like some titles for your show I How did you know I knew it's like it's the perfect Christmas every day So it shall be written so it shall be done Okay, so right now although I feel like I want to give it a minute to vote up all those Google ones But right now we're looking at cash block plus Jow me the rupees G is for Google which I like that's the title of the blog post though Probably not gonna. So what you're saying is somebody already thought of that. Yeah, Larry Page That's where the money goes It's like uber but for locksmiths Too many cooks boil the alphabet soup. Yeah, I like that Alphabet that's a bad name. Oh, Dr. Payne brings it and Who alphas the alphabet and Um, Google is oh, I do like this Google is the alpha and the Omega A good alphabet joke It's a little religious a little religious and also a little frightening because it's getting close but also possibly true We look from the bottom up here Google alphabets on a new name It's as easy as WTF Yeah, that those are the ones I like there's an uber for uber for startups Like the dizzying meta of that. Yeah, those are the those are the options. What do you guys all think? Still like show me the rupees You voted for that one voted for that one too Google thing is probably Gears for Google makes sense. I'm not I'm not gonna use Gears for Google because that is the actual blog post from Google Yes, okay, that just seems Rippy offy too much W is for WTF just happened That's funny What was that Google's the alpha and Omega yeah, I do like that or Google wants to be how about Like Google wants to be the alpha and the Omega which is less declaratory Or should we just do show me the rupees Actually D2T twos is winning now and you thought Google was a stupid name All right, that that just that just won. Yeah, that got the reaction. I was looking for All right, I'm starving to death. You want me to stick around you don't have to go eat I don't want to keep you. Oh, no. No, I'm sad. No, you sounded sad. I could read it in your voice No, but I really don't Yeah, we don't want you to be super hungry Why don't I sing you a song about Uber and then you can go? Okay? I'm ready. How about that my body? Tom edits Is that on purpose you're gonna sing a song? Reverb on there It's coming from somewhere else. Oh, it's coming from inside the podcast All right, is it gone? Yeah, it's okay So you guys were all making some excellent points. Oh now it's back And I had this little like diddy pop in my head Which was like we used to sing songs at camp all the time And there was a camp song that we sang called the donut song and we used to sing it I'm not kidding like three times a day at a certain point So I wrote you guys a little song about Uber and it goes like this and Apologies to just you know just everyone There's an Uber here for this Senate Uber there for that wash yo to pick up laundry opalita wash your cat You can pick up a test-grab it who will clean out your garage then request a dude from soothe and get a relaxing massage Well disruption is all well and good for people who can hack paying post made $18 to go get us truffled Mac But let's not forget the drivers and the rabbits and masseuse who might like some benefits along with your sweet chocolate mousse and Not everybody gets to ride in big buck fancy cars or gets Alfred's Butler service to clean out their mason jars So how do we make disruption work for not just me and you? Maybe someone's out there working on an Uber for that too. Thanks for the crow nut Robert Samuel That was my Little ditty that I wrote I know that tune is do your ears hang low Yeah, do you hang low do they wobble to and fro can you tie them in a nut? Can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw them over your shoulder like a continental soldier? Do your ears hang? No, I think it was hanging it with balls too. Yeah I think the version is often very popular it might be more popular than the ears version It might be I think maybe I can't play just taught us the ears version because it was not the balls version It was some camp counselor who wanted to shock like I'm gonna teach him this song and they're like, oh, he said ears Thank goodness. I thought he was gonna say something else Have you watched what on American summer yet Jenny? No, because um we There are two things that happened to us yesterday and Veronica you should go eat if you have to go eat. Oh, okay Thank you So two things happened One it was Matt's birthday and so we did a lot of birthday-y stuff But the other thing that happened was for his birthday Matt received from the birthday fairy of ps4 and We intended to start playing Witcher the third witcher game. Oh, wow. Yeah, great things Except that like Matt went away to the bathroom or to make a phone call for like one minute Well, I was turning it on and I went in and I signed up for PlayStation now and was like What is this bio shock infinite that I've always heard about but never played and eight hours later. Oh, no We were like should we eat? So that's what happened Over the weekend and that's why we didn't watch wet hot American summer. So you just played bio shock all No one day yesterday eight hours straight. We played and played and played. Did you play the original bio shock? No, we didn't play any of them I'm curious to know what your Which your evaluation of bio shock infinite is it's so interesting because you know when you play a game That's a couple Whatever you call them generations older than the ones you've just been playing You there's nothing that takes away from how incredible the graphics are and how incredible the just the difference is for us In any other game like that to me I love but then and maybe it's just the difference between a first-person shooter and a really truly open world game But it just feels so much more restrictive I think that's more like a category difference than than anything else but I love it and it's super easy to play and it's super addictive and We don't have any fights ever about like where to go and what to do because they just the game just drives you there so I Like the game, but I was a little unimpressed with the menu that it that they tried to develop around it, right? quote-unquote controversial and Well, there's all that too right like and to that like that whole element of it like the controversy element I Every once in a while I think like I feel like they had some meeting that where they were like let's let's really focus on issues and stuff and Yet sometimes it comes across as really uncomfortable when they're in the middle of the storytelling of it Like it's it could be really uncomfortable in some ways. And so I Felt I felt I felt a little let down. Mm-hmm. I mean as I mean like, you know for anyone Are people still listening or is it just us? I don't know You never know we're streaming. We're still streaming for for as much as you know talk of it talk of how like You know You know racism and a bunch of other stuff You know tokenism and a bunch of other kind of subjects touched touch on it wasn't really in depth in any real way It was very shallow in many respects and also felt that a lot of the barely here you Roger We're actually he's off his mic I'm sorry. I felt sorry. I had a kid Shazie I felt that a lot of the portrayals were very shallow and I felt that they weren't very well explored In fact, I thought they were kind of two-dimensional Almost window dressing for the game to kind of to kind of give it that feel But it really didn't lead anywhere meaningful like the whole thing at the beginning of the game with a couple It's like just there's no real meaningful Resolution or kind of advancement beyond that point. I mean you meet them again, but I mean in terms of kind of You're right. It means for you as a player and what it means for the world that you play and doesn't really matter It's a lot of huge huge ideas Then it does and and I think in its beginning bits, you know, like where you're still exploring the world your mind is like Exploding because it's unfolding a story very beautifully about what it's all going to be about and then it really just does buckle down and be like shoot things and Loses and I feel like in an open-world version of it like a truly open-world version of it You might have had the chance to really Expand like for me the the ability not to be able to wander around all of those houses ad infinitum is Sad and I guess you kind of can but it still is driving you and so That to me has been sort of the cognitive dissonance along with certain Characters and portrayals that are like massively uncomfortable Well, you mean the Chinese weaponsmith who has one of the worst Chinese culture voices The developers were really adamant like this is I mean, you know even Adam Sasser is like Well, this is like one of the best-made games touches and all these uncomfortable subjects like dude Did you play the same game? I did because I was really offended at some parts And I understand that you know parts of the game were supposed to be kind of cartoonish and in and it's kind of racial Ascendance because that's the society that you're living in and they're supposed to be jerks But for a game that's supposed to stretch it or to kind of push the boundaries didn't do any in fact Not to be if not to be offensive Tom, but it was kind of it's it's kind of like a white guy approach to dealing with racism We knowledge exists, so we're just kind of kind of parody it and kind of do it for a little bit for laughs Yeah, it was it is it's a little bit It's a little bit surfacey and I feel like the world itself and the idea of a Religion based around political figures and the sort of repressive white guy part about that was enough It's sort of like adding in a certain social relevance that if you can't really explore it Don't just layer it in there with like really weird, you know But that being said like I love the game It's just hard. There are certain moments and certain character moments that are really hard. I played through But I didn't think it was a better game and a story aside I mean just like as a first-person shooter. I mean like it doesn't matter what power use I mean your your strategies are pretty much exactly the same no matter what kind of combination of powers you use Which is you know a little different than the first one even though your powers are a lot more limited You know you can take different approaches But like here was just like you know shoot shoot shoot use this power and like those those secondary powers your abilities are Just so overmatched It's like oh why even bother with anything else so you go through this whole game just using one particular power You don't have to worry about you don't have to change it up depending you know, you know because the situation warrants it It's like I mean it's a really beautiful game like the graphics are When it was released really nice it does kind of soap the story I think it's a little still kind of hand-fisted plot-wise with what happens with the character at that called Jesus kind of cliche But I guess for video games. Yeah, but you know, I've played so many great Video games over the past decade that have really really Oh, sorry. What are you pointing at? No, I was giving Ellie something to play with Because she's looking at the screen and I just wanted to see but you're right You're absolutely right and like I don't play a lot of first-person shooters and therefore I don't even have a A lot of experience to judge them, but it is certain point it becomes very hypnotic and repetitive And yeah, and the fixer points out that the last of us is an amazing story and I agree The last of us if no one has ever played that and you have a ps3 or ps4 Rent that game. It's amazing That is a really well-done game By the way, by the way breaking news again, I'm sorry to interrupt But when you click on the period After the part about drones in the Google post a JD whore In the chat room pointed this out. It takes you to huli.xyz Really? Wait, I can't find the word drones. Where's the word just Control f or command f find drone It says new efforts like wing our drone delivery effort and then you just click on the period there That takes you to huli That is awesome huli x yz, which is why Inspiration it takes a big head to dream big my gosh And on that note we leave you goodbye video viewers more tomorrow