 and we're at the ID Tech X show. Hi. Hi. My name is Alfred. I'm the CEO and founder of Coprint. We are presenting actually for the first time to the world our product at ID Tech X show. What we are doing is we developed a conductive copper ink that is actually superior in performance to the current silver inks. It is also dramatically cheaper and also environmental friendly. So what eventually we are doing is that we are enabling people to use ink just to print conductive patterns and therefore they can print antennas, they can print heaters, they can print PCBs. The big difference is that most of the industry is using today inks that are made out of silver. Silver is very expensive, also I would say it's very toxic and what you can see here is actually a nice chart of comparison between the sheet resistance of different conductive inks. So this is the sheet resistance here on the Y axis. So the lower you are the more conductive you are. So you want to be as low as possible. The other axis is the sintering time. So how long do you need to bake the printed pattern until it's conductive? And what we are showing here is that we are showing a comparison to the top silver inks that are available in the market. We are showing that the copper inks are actually better in performance, they are faster to manufacture for manufacturing line and also and this is not on the chart is that they are dramatically cheaper. So you should expect a reduction in cost of something like 3 to 5 X relative to the top silver inks in the market and at the same time faster performance and being environmental friendly. So the first thing that we are promoting is actually printing RFID antenna on paper. Today usually RFID antenna are made by etched aluminum and PET, which is actually horrible to work in the environment. They are not sustainable because it's aluminum and PET. It's like a can of coke glued to a bottle of coke and when you throw it away it's not fun. Instead of that what we are offering today is RFID antennas that are made out of copper printed on paper. So the paper is fully compostable and the amount of copper that you have on an average antenna is in the order of 10 milligrams which is less the amount of copper that you have in 1 kilogram of kale or it's about the same amount of copper that you have in 3 gallons of water. So it's really compostable, environmental friendly. Is that why kale tastes a little bit strange? I'm joking. I know. Well actually the daily intake for an adult is 1.5 milligram of copper. So you must consume copper. More than one of these every day. No, actually it's about a quarter of this. A quarter of these every day. In a way you can say that every breakfast family can cut RFID to four and split it for everybody to get their dosage of copper. No I'm just joking of course. The main thing is to understand that the impact on the environment here is minimal unlike any other alternative to create conductive patterns. So is this your copper mix? What is this? Yes. This is a picture. You can see that the great color of a cuprish color of that and it's made out of nano copper. So the particles are sub hundred nanometer. We have a unique patented technology how to make copper conductive. Maybe I should say that silver inks were invented in 1948. They were used for building the first actually computers. And all the market was interested in copper ink. So why didn't they create copper ink? I mean copper is about hundred times cheaper than silver. And it is has a 5% less conductivity. So why not to create a copper ink? The reason is that copper will oxidize. One is exposed to air. So copper particle oxidize they become green on the outside. And they cannot be conductive. So for many years people have tried to develop it without success. At copper ink we made a really I would say a great innovation by doing what we call chemical sintering. We have a special sintering agent that is patented that we insert into the nano copper mixture that we are making. And this enable us to do very fast sintering usually just 3 seconds with equipment that will cost you less than $200. All this it's not too good to be true. If it's real then it's big revolution. It is a big revolution we believe to the market. And usually you know people always like to say about their products that are very revolutionary. I can say that copper in today let's say we have two investors behind us. One is Henkel and the other one is HP. And I believe that let's say we have enough credibility in the market today for people to know that this is real. What you can see actually down here below is an output of the antenna printing solution by a company called Mulbauer. This is a German company that is making equipment for the RFID industry. And they created a special printer that is just specifically made for printing RFID antenna. It's a real to real printer. You can actually see the picture of it right here below. Okay. It's a it's a real to real solution for printing RFID. It has now a capacity to print 500 million RFID antenna per year. And here I'm seeing Pragmatic. So you're working with Pragmatic. Yes. Pragmatic is also a partner of us. What we are able to do is to print antennas that are composable to work with Pragmatic. And also our antennas are cheaper than any other alternative. So we are bringing the value of being cheap and environmental friendly. And of course the collaboration with Pragmatic is very natural because they make the cheapest possible chips for making NFC antennas. What I heard before is that the silver is what's called the most conductive material is infrared. Silver. Look, as a raw material, silver is about five percent more conductive than copper. But it's a hundred times more expensive. But relative to silver inks, silvering are not as conductive as raw silver because they are printed. So relative to silver ink, we have better conductivity than the top silver inks in the market. When did you come up with this? We are working around. We are working on this company for about four years. We were working in a garage mode for two years in something that looks like a breaking bed lab. And you know, cooking the nano copper, doing a lot of work. No, Michael, that is right behind you is the cook. He's now talking to other people. And I'm helping or disturbing, depending on how you look at it. And eventually after two years with a great product, we raised funding in order to scale up our production. We decided not to sell the product before we scale up the production so we could have, you know, a very big capacity achieving about a ton per month's capacity. So now we are offering actually people the product for sale. Like something like this? Yes, this is an example for the ink that we are shipping now to customer. Do you want to see it? Yeah. Okay. How does it smell? Well, you will tell us in a second how does it smell? Yeah. Okay. So. So how's it been here, the Ida Tech Show? You've been having lots of people talk with you? Wow, yeah. It's really hard. I mean, if you just see the amount of business cards I had, I have in my pockets in this morning. Okay. So you know, we have quite a lot of visitors here, a lot of interest and a lot of people that, do you want to taste it? You can try it. Okay. Maybe, do you mind, can you have the mic on? Just a second. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Maybe you can keep the glove on if you can just click the mic there. Yeah. Okay. So just before we're talking about you being the cook. Yeah. Right? So you're the cook? Sort of. Yes, I'm the chemist. The chemist. Well, we have. Just to close it to the mic. Yeah. Well, I mean, we have today, of course, a lot of people in the company, we have more than 10 people and a lot of. Many chemists, master and PhDs. So how do you come up with this? So has it been like unexpected or did you do some kind of studies towards this direction or? It was a long journey, starting with reducing ions to get nanoparticles, finally to formulate it to paste and to sinder it under air atmosphere and to get very highly conductivity. Ions to particles? It sounds like something they talk about like a nuclear physicist or something like that. Is nanotechnology, is it? He is a physicist. I'm the chemist. Physicists do not understand anything in chemistry. It seems to everybody that it's, you know, very close to be physicists or a chemist, but it's not. It's not. So, but you're talking about the ions, can you describe a little bit more or is it secret? No, it's not a secret. The process to produce nanoparticles, we are starting with a process which is a bottom up. We start with ion. Ions, we are reducing them to get atoms. These atoms aggregates and crystallize to get nanoparticles and these nanoparticles are formulated to these kind of paste. Once we have the paste, we can print it by screen printing or other techniques, dry it and cinderate. Do hybrid electronics too? Put some chips on and stuff? Yes, and you can see here some examples of printing of copper together with additional carbon inks to get flexible heaters or that kind of NFC tag that is integrated already with a very tiny chip. Can you see the chip? So, what chip? Is it the pragmatic? No, this is the silicon-based chip. So, how do you put it exactly where it needs to be? That's the usual way? No, this is the role of Mulbauer, our partner. This is done with that machine. What are some of the other challenges that you have right now? It is CTO, right? So, what's next? Oh, the main challenge is to enable the printing on various substrates. So, the first patterns that we were printing were on paper. So, getting the paper right? Yes, and here you can see the roll through all printing on paper. Right now, we are releasing the product of printing on PET. So, each of the different substrates require a different formulation to get the adhesion? People can even go and click buy and buy one of these and start working with it, try to see if their equipment works with it. The future of printing electronics is copper. That's why all the the cheapest, the smallest coins are always in copper, right? Is it cheaper? Yeah, cheaper than silver. It's about 100 times cheaper than silver. 100 times cheaper? Yes. All right, how's it been the show for you? Great. Lots of... A lot of visitors, a lot of interactions.