 You're welcome back to the breakfast. It's now time for Off the Press. The segments will be analyzed today's dailies. Let's invite our guest now, our public affairs analyst, Mr Ezekiel Eidog. Good morning. Thank you for joining us. Good morning. It's a pleasure to be with you. Fantastic. Across the papers this morning, Secondus is headlines. Let's begin with a Ponsonance paper. On the Ponsonance paper, the headline reads, Secondus battles for survival. Samboa Raleigh supports as we keep plots PDP Chairman's removal. Rivers Governor, others want Secondus out before NEC meeting, National Convention. Embattled party chair fingers unnamed party leader as Attiku denies involvement. Also on the Ponsonance paper, Twitter ban, Nigeria lose 150.46 billion Naira in two months. Federal government hires JPMorgan, others on $6.2 billion fresh borrowed. Federal Executive Council approves $11 billion for Lagos Calaba Coastal Rail, $1.48 billion refineries repairs. $159 during doctors ready for exams ahead practicing in UK. APC governors meet in Abuja, six soft landing for Bhuni, others. MDCN overstepping its bounds, failing to curb quackery, that's according to resident doctors. Still more stories on the Ponsonance paper. There's a picture there on the Ponsonance paper and it's a picture of Hans. As the caption reads, pangolins and elephant mass, a thosque, intercepted by the Nigerian Custom Service, set to be worth over 200 billion Naira in Lagos. Also, Assembly OK's AKT, 19 LCDAs predicts grassroots development. Somu Lu here says, my photo with Tinabu dispels rumours about his health. Also, police go after suspected cultists over bodyless head inquirer. Uyatola LeMens as our shoe flawed strips away three destroyed houses and shops. Two more stories here on the Ponsonance paper. Lagos increased isolation facilities, plans for spike and court stops DSS, AGF, from arresting Ibuho and freezing accounts. Alright, let's move to the nation. Newspapers this morning, hopefully it should be on your screen. The PDP of course is still in some crisis. It says there's a condos. PDP chief using huge public funds to fight me. Chairman, decries push for caretaker committee. Dixon, others back leadership. BOT member, Amadi Doms, PDP for APC. Lagos launches 102 trucks and 100 bins to tackle refuse. And also Polui student beheaded inquirer. We can also find on the nation this morning, 12 Ibuho supporters granted bail in Abuja. Ex-Niger senator Liu dies. FEC votes $1.484 billion to fix worry kaduna refineries. And also on the nation, three feared killed. Government house wall collapses in Oshobo flood. A law expert says Buni can continue to lead the APC. And this one here says why government opposes payment of ransom and that's by minister. Finally on the nation, oil price falls to $71 on Delta COVID-19 variant fear. Let's turn to the Guardian newspaper now. The headline reads government Twitter silent as band clocks two months. Tears grief as NYSE flies bodies of core members to Uyo for burial. 20 prospective core members test positive for COVID-19 in Kano. Chibok girl, terrorist hobby surrender to troops in Borno. Court admits Ibuho is associate to 10 million Naira, 5 million Naira bail. Lagos showcases 120 trucks, 100 locally assembled bins to tackle waste. All right, let's move to the daily independent now, which comes up next. It says here PDP leadership crisis. Secundice gets a lifeline. I think it denies sponsoring move to suck party chairman. Attempts to hijack party would lead to implosion. Dixon warns. Also Nigerians responsible for leadership impunity. And that's from Waleh Shoinka. Nigeria must address neglected tropical diseases to attain UHC. It says experts say 122 million persons at risk. Flood wrecks havoc in Oshogbo, renders hundreds homeless. FECOK is $15.44 billion for coastal rail line, Wari Kaduna refinery repairs. And court restrains AGF and DSS from arresting Ibuho, freezing his bank accounts. Supporters get bail after one month in detention. Tinibu Helanati says, Oanez appraises army for restoring peace in the southeast. Troops overrun insurgents force 87 to surrender in Bernou. And flush out criminals in Abiyah Forest. Iqbal Azou charges security men. And with that we'll say good morning once again to Sayazik Al-Niyay. Talk thanks for joining us. And we probably can start with the crisis in the PDP. You know, Sir Aikidexin says it might lead to an implosion, which is a condos of course is the name that keeps reappearing here and then in the news. What do you see playing out? The very first thing is that for the first time in a long time, I have almost regretted living the PDP in 2010. I had a very good relationship with the PDP. I was doing very well in the PDP. I was the one and local government congress committee chairman of the PDP to one of the states. And I operated at probably some of the highest levels in the PDP. But one day I just was not too happy with the politics of being loyal to what you may think is wrong. And it is one of the party expectations of a loyal party member for you to always stand by the party. And I really didn't want that again. So I held a press conference and I resigned my membership of the PDP. As at that time the PDP looked like they were going to be in government for the next 60 years. So things were going very well, extremely well. I had a good relationship with my governor, extremely good, right up to the presidency. I was doing very well in the PDP. But I felt that I owed this nation the truth and not the comfort of being in a party that could give me anything I wanted. That said, since that time I have not looked back. But when I see the event of the past few months, I feel really, really bad that the PDP really cannot take advantage of... It's like you are battling somebody and the person falls to the ground and you are just to deliver the final killer punch. And you are standing and watching the person and the person on the ground is poaching your members using all manner. You can either be defensive or you are offensive in a fight. PDP has gone into itself to an opposition that is defensive and it bothers me. How can somebody leave the PDP for APC as of today on what indices of governance? Is it that they are doing well in economy or they are doing well in security or they are doing well in fighting corruption? Or the value of life has improved so much or things have gotten better since they took over power. What is the indices? Why would a rational person leave where the person is, no matter how bad, to somewhere else that is not much better in any way? It's preposterous and that is because the PDP have failed as an opposition party. Miss Ayaito, allow me please. I want us to really talk about Secondus because this is a really serious issue. Those members of the National Executive Committee blamed Secondus for poor leadership saying that's why they left. Secondus put out a statement yesterday which he titled, who is after Secondus and why somebody in love with a caretaker? This was signed by his media aide in Abuja yesterday. He went on to allege that Secondus now allege that according to him that he had intelligence that there is a strong party chieftain that is bent on hijacking the party structure of the PDP aimed at denting his image. And quickly reaction to this, Artiku went on to deny any links to how Secondus saying that his interest is to safeguard the party and make sure everybody is on the same page. So if Secondus now is saying that there is a strong party leader in the PDP who wants him out, Artiku has come out to say he definitely is not the one. What do you think we're having on our hands? I'll tell you what we're having on our hands. You see, if you have noticed, I do not take the narrative that somebody wants me to take. I take the narrative that makes sense to the public. You see, they want that conversation to move from what's happening in PDP to oh, there is an Artiku Secondus fight. For goodness sake, how does that affect the price of that in the market? I couldn't tell us what's happening between them. I care that the APC is not put on their toes. That's what affects the common man because when the APC is put on their toes, they will sit up. They will wake up. They will do what is right. They will know that the heat is on them. They will go into what governance is. They will not have the luxury of as much as contemplating. But doesn't that translate to failure of the PDP leadership? Of course it is. Of course, that's the point. That is the point. That is what we should address. Failure of the PDP leadership. Not personal torsos. That's not my business. Secondus, in my personal opinion, has not been able to drive that party as a party that wants to come back to power. He looks like somebody who is very comfortable where he is and don't touch my office, which is what I blame Mr. President for a lot of times. He's not about governance of the country. He's like, leave my office. Leave my office. Don't touch me. You can do anything. Just leave me as long as I'm in power. It's okay. It's not okay. You were not given a mandate to be in power. No, you were given a mandate to lead. You were given a mandate to ensure that governance is if you were removed, it was time for you to do stock-taking, look at the places that you didn't do well, and then constantly be on the face of Nigerians to tell them this is what we did wrong. We admit it. One of the biggest, you know, credits that Nigerians gave to anybody was when, for late President Yaradua said, the process that brought me to power was flawed. Now, that was supposed to be an admittance of weakness, but that became one of his greatest strengths till he died. And because I acknowledged that it was flawed, I am doing this, one, two, three. I expected the chairman. I really wish I was the chairman of PDP, because this is a time for you to have said fellow Nigerians, you know, over these past years, I've really sat back and looked at the things, and I think we took a lot of things from granted. We didn't do this well. We didn't do this well. We didn't do this well. That's not okay. And we have learned our lessons. Henceforth, this is the way we think in terms of internal party politics, you know, good governance, in terms of national vision, in terms of this, in terms of that, and people say, oh, thank God you've come to your senses. Anyway, what are you saying? That's the strategy. But when last did you see that guy on your station, or any other station? When last did you see that leadership? When last did you see that inspiration? When last did you see him visit a non-PDP state to go and tell the people they took back this state? Now, this is what it was. This is where we are today. We're taking back members, come back. Those of you that are thinking, what are you living? We are coming back. Hope is the anchor that stabilizes the soul. Hope. That is what President Babuari was selling to the 10 million votes he had. He doesn't give money. But he had a way of selling hope and letting the people that know that when Baba is there, we are okay. That's hope. All right, Ms. Naecho, let's quickly turn to another story. We saw this one across the papers as well, and it's about Sunday Igboho. On the Daily Independent, he reads Court Restrains AGF, DSS from arresting Igboho. That's on the Daily Independent. Court Restrains AGF, DSS from arresting Igboho, and freezing his bank account. Also, supporters get bail after one month in detention. Now, this also went on to say that they get bail for about 10 million and also 5 million Naira. So, this High Court in your state obviously said that the DSS has no right to go ahead to arrest Igboho or to freeze his bank account. But we know our law enforcement agencies too well and how they relate with court judgments. Do you see them obeying this one this time? You see, that's one of the tragedies of a nation. That is one of the results of impunity. That is one of the consequences, unfortunately, of a people that don't see anybody that is putting fire on their butts. So, they can do anything. They can disregard court order. And nobody is raising Nigerians to say, hey, this is what we wanted to run away from. We can get into this. Do you understand me? Now the court orders are disregarded fragrantly without any second thought. And that's because it's like nobody's going to do anything. Okay, that's number one. Coming down to Igboho directly, you see, it shows you the difference between tack and strategy. It shows you the difference between somebody who thinks through processes and somebody who just thinks that anything can be done. It shows the difference between Namdi Kano and Igboho. Namdi Kano came as a lord who was a master and had control over everything. And the day he fell, he was isolated. If not for a few handful of young people that are still looking things from a certain prison. But Igboho was careful to respect the elders, in my opinion. He was careful to carry along the people. And when push came to shove, the people are rising tactfully in his defense. So you can see that his treatment, people are like, we better be careful here. We better be cautious here. We better know what we do. Even the law court know that the public is watching. Now that is not the public sentiment that Kano had. And yet these are two. If not for the British government, if not for Kano being a British citizen. As of today, he probably be a forgotten issue. And again, he comes back to nationhood. How do you treat your citizens? Kano is a black guy. Kano is known as a Nigerian. Maybe because he has that British passport. He has the backing of the system as it were. And if Kano had been a little careful to be more respectful, to be a lot more tactful, by today he will be receiving help from abroad and from home. So I think that we should always bring things to this perspective in governance. That's why I don't like talking individual. People have right to their preferences, to their differences or whatever they want to do. But we should look at principles that lead to good governance or nationhood. Let's move to something that is daily independent. It's a conversation that has been going on for so many years and it feels like we may never actually get the truth out of the right answers out of this. It's from Waleh Shoyinka and it says, Nigerians are responsible for leadership impunity. The Nigerian people would always argue that they are not to blame. It's bad leadership that has put us where we are. And of course, there's also going to be other perspectives. Do you agree here with Waleh Shoyinka that it's the Nigerian people that are responsible? 100%. Now, if you look at just for a minute, pause and ask yourself what's the national conversation concerning 2023 today? And I watched a video where a young lady was literally wailing, who bewitched us? And I think it was the advocate, which is your station. Who bewitched us? Don't we know that there are certain fundamental principles that lead to success? Focus on things like clear vision, excellence, right reward. These are global principles that lead to success. Today, Nigeria has become the poverty capital of the world. We are talking in terms of recruiting the next chief executive of this country, come 2023. Where is the conversation? Oh, it's Attic Wella and Hatti. Is he the one plotting secondals? Oh, how about Mr. Tinubu? Is he okay? The question is why are you asking these questions? Are you saying that if WTO needed a leader, which is less than a country, that this will be the conversations I would have? Who is coming to analyze the things that a man like Professor Mohanu is saying? Who is coming to dialogue in terms of recruitment criteria for 2023? Where is our national conversation going? We will continue to be talking about Tinubu's health, Attic Wella's plots to remove or not remove. We will continue to do that until 2023 appears on our face and we are like, oh my God, who do we choose between? The devil and Red Lucy. We choose one of them. And then we now start the whining. And then we collect the money. And then how will you blame the leaders? This will pay you to get your mandate. They've taken your mandate. It was a transaction. So they run their game. So Mr. Aiyai Chok, what do you think are some of the first steps that Nigerians need to take to correct all this wrong? Number one, with the elites, the elites, the Aiyai talks of this world. You and Etta Felix and my brother Osang, you need to deliberately avoid those narratives that they want you to run in the media. Deliberately, consciously, and your policy of the station is on proper leadership recruitment. Yes, you can carry the news, but let the news be tainted in a way that it does not go to do analysis of issues that bring no value to the government. When I come here and talk that way, I go to my Facebook page and talk that way. I go to all the platforms that I have influenced and start to preach good governance. And the media comes in, we will turn the conversation into an area that the bad people are uncomfortable with. And then we'll have to start to inspire good people to start to talk up. When we do that, we would have started the process of creating a nation that works so that the conversation, like in my state, by the grace of God, I'm contesting the governorship in 2023. And I've come up with what they call social governance ideology. Mine is the person that you want to support. No problem, supporting. But the question is, what is he saying? I took up a radio program every Wednesday or now it's on Mondays. And I'm on it like a preacher, like an itinerant preacher. Now you also take up the space, enlighten the people. Nigerians are very good people, but they are very highly gullible. When you don't say the things that they should know, they listen to these people who are saying nothing. Oh, they are fighting me. They want to take my office. They are ganging up against me. How does that affect the price of Gary in the market? I say it again. What is the philosophy of PDP? What is the ideology? Why did I join AGC? Because they come up and say we have a DNA, a party, talking in terms of DNA. And then they listed the criterias of the DNA, five of them. And I say, this makes sense to me. It's a small party, in quotes, though they came third in the general elections. All right. Mr. Ahyato. Mr. Ahyato. Let me say this. We're running out of time, unfortunately. I am really sorry, but I was wondering if we could just quickly leave the political conversations and just go straight into what the everyday Nigerian is facing, especially when it comes to rainy seasons, year and year out. I mean, the news carries it that about 200 residents in Oshebo have basically been displaced because of the flood. And yet the governors come out to say, oh, this is the fault of the residents. They keep clogging up the drainage with refuse. So I don't know. Is this also something we can blame on the people? Or is this failure of the government to put it in the structure? No, no. I don't blame on the people. This happens to be my area. This happens to be my area. I don't blame the people. Government runs on policies. And when you come up as a responsible government, your citizens will obey you. What is the master plan? When you don't have a master plan and people buy land and build houses, are you blaming the people that they bought land and they built houses and they didn't know that those were drained roots? Come up and give a drain master plan of the city. Then all the people that are affected, don't blame them, pay them the compensation. Start to put things right, let everybody know you cannot build without an approval. You cannot get an approval except you are off the no-build zones. These are simple straightforward ABCs. Anybody that flouts your instruction thereafter, you bring the full weight of the law on the person. Don't sit there and look like, oh, you are helpless. The citizens are doing what they want. That's why you are letting as a governor to give them direction, reward those who do well and punish those who want to take you for granted. It's pretty much the same thing in many other states in the country. Lagos has its own fair share of flooding every now and then when it rains. There's failure of proper drainage, failure of proper infrastructure for water management. We continue to see these things. I always like to mention the fault of the local government here, the fault of the state government in this situation also. We continue to ignore these things and blame citizens for throwing pure water sashes in the gutter, but that's really not what it is. It's not fear of proper drainage. It's fear or lack of proper planning. Let the master plan for drainage be mapped out. Let the citizens be engaged. Let it be implemented in phases. Those that build based on your approved plan compensate them. And then we would have started a process. This government alone, this channel will not be able to do it. We would have started a process of bringing back a master plan where it has a drain route and then we see what is possible and what is not possible. It is induable. And the government of Lagos said incidentally I have a lot of confidence in them. I'm sure that someone will look and get it done. Mr. Ezekiel, thank you very much for your time this Thursday morning. Thanks for speaking with us. Thanks so much. Always a pleasure. Have a great day. It's a good thing to answer because there's also reports that I've seen that Lagos might be submerged in less than a decade with water and that's mostly with regards to climate change and where Lagos currently is situated. So there's those fears. And if care is not taken, I always like to ask you how many more people need to be affected by the flood? How many more vehicles need to be affected by the flood before the Lagos government understands the urgency with which it should fix the drainage system in Lagos? Yeah, I mean during the last rains that occurred weeks back we saw people's cars that were basically as though they were dropped in water. Such a terrible situation. Let's stick a break here. We'll come back to what's in history. I'm going to the year 1962 when one of our all-time favourite actresses passed on. And I'm going back to 1960. Stay with us.