 Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy ECEO and I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official, Mr. Mako. What's going on? Man, hey man, we got a special guest in here today. She's an OG. You know what I'm talking about? She's an OG in the game. All you young girls better sit around and watch the day. A young OG? Yeah, she's a young OG. She's an OG. Yeah, it's some OGs in the game that's young, you know, and she's one of them, man. Been doing this, how many years now? All her life. Since she was four. Yeah, four. Check it, man. Renetta Spencer is in the building, man. What's going on? Man, nothing much. Pleased to be here. Hey, man, so, yeah, yeah, Renetta Spencer. Yeah. Yeah, I done checked everything out on you. I went down that rabbit hole and figured out who you was. I was like, I gotta figure this out. My wife was the one that she never looks for nobody in her life. This is, she has never, ever, ever looked for nobody but mental illness people. That's all she bring on the show. Mental illness. If it's mental illness, I know that day is her day. And I sit back and we talk about mental illness. Anything else other than music. She don't deal with the music. Not just mental illness. Okay, give me another one. I've been looking for fitness people too. I have not seen a fitness person on here. I haven't agreed to come on yet. You did have the women that was having babies for the white men. Yeah, I got that too. Surrogate. Surrogate. Oh, yeah, try that. My husband shot me down. Oh, you asked that. Well, that was 60 bands. 55 bands. That went up. It's 70. Oh, dang, they didn't want it. He didn't want to do it. My homeboy had to get down. When they did it, they said it was 50. And then the other one, we had two of them came on. The other one had twins and hers, yeah. Yeah. And she said they're well, not double. I did ask that. We thought she got the double. Not double, but not double. But she's like, it's well underpaid because, you know, you putting your body at risk. Regardless. Yeah, whatever. They're gonna need to get paid. They're trying to get money right on this thing. Nice. Yeah. And they're gonna try to buy one of them new bin lids or something. I need that. Yeah. They don't pay me on the house. Check it, man. So, Renata Spencer, man. So, you know, I know my wife. You're gonna go all the way back and, you know, talk to her. Give her that speed. I'm ready. Tell us about growing up with your dad. Because being Ronnie Spencer, the man that he is, and let me tell you, I love his voice. We looked him up and listened to some music. Girl, I've been thinking that nigga was the Isley Brothers for 15 years, nigga. Let's be real. No, no, no. We gotta get it clear, though. I'm gonna tell you, I ain't no lie. Ask her about that song. I was really, I'll say this nigga is the trick, they done tricked me. It might have been the Isley Brothers on there. You don't know for a fact it was him. I thought the nigga was Isley Brothers. I heard the nigga singing on one day. I said, that was the day I'm Isley Brothers. Was that him? That's my dad. The whole time. The whole time. I thought they were Ronnie Isley Brothers and I'm the biggest fan. He sound just like him. Bro, I'm telling you right now, I've been, in my mind, I'm saying, how the hell PmC them, Chad them, no, no damn Ronnie Spencer. I'm not Ronnie Spencer, but Ronald Isley. No, that was my dad. That's dope, man. And I'm telling you, I did not realize it because I did not care about none but PmC. I ain't gonna lie to you. Yup. I was a PmC fan and then I'm still is, but it was like, nothing else really mattered. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm being real. But when he found that. But when I found that, it blew my mind. You looked up all of Ronnie Spencer's song and we comparing voices trying to figure out if this is really him. Yeah. So he has a song with Ronald Isley. That's dope. Really? You gotta really listen. What's the name of it? It's called Hold On. It's Not Out Yet. We are trying to get him to put it out. We trying to get him to like the fall or the winter because the song is real mellow. They gonna sound just alike. But you gotta really listen to it. To see which one is who. Yeah. You think it's just Ronald Isley. Wow. Good song though. It's a good song. I believe you. Who wrote it? So actually it was a joint thing. So Ronald Isley wrote his verse, daddy wrote his verse and then they kind of collabed on the hook. Okay. Were you there when they did it? No. I wasn't there. I was with the babysitter unfortunately. Oh. Wow. They didn't want to bring me. Wow. But my dad actually went to his house. Went to St. Louis and laid it there with D-REG, No D, Dirty Dollar. How long ago was that? The whole Wax Shot family. I had to be every bit of like teen. Yeah. And my daddy just been holding on to that song, holding on to it. Why do artists do that? They'll drop something, but don't drop it. But they'll, you know, lay it and then hold on to it for years. I don't know what my daddy was more of like sentimental values and then they wanted to shoot a video to it too. But then Ronald Isley felt sick. So my dad was like, well, I'm just hold on to it until, you know, I talk to his people and it's the right time to put it out. Hopefully it's the right time because I like the song. So going back to being Ronnie Spencer's daughter. Tell us about that. My dad is strict, like big strict. Once he found out I wanted to do music, he can't, I can't even describe it. My daddy is one of them people. This is what you want to do. And I started investing my time and my money in it. You better take seriously because if you don't, you only get one shot. My dad is a one shot type. So once I was like, yes, this is what I want to do. Voice lessons, opera training. We did ballet. We did dance. You said do you have siblings that did also? Just me and my dad. I'm the only child on my dad's side. Oh. So yeah, anything that had to do with like music, production, anything to make you better and greater as an artist, I did it. I can imagine how he felt to know that his child wanted to come up in his shoes. She was happy. I can imagine. I can imagine. Because you wanted to do it. It's not that he was forcing you to do it. It's different when your child wants to do something that you do and find the love in it compared to you're like, you need to do this because I already paved the way. You need to go ahead and do this with me. And you know, most kids are like, no, I want to go here. I want to do this. I never had anything else I wanted to do. Because I mean, when I grew up in the house with him, I was around PMC Bumby, Lil Flit, Kiki. I was around there 24 years. You called the magical names. You called the magical names. You was around PMC. Yes. Man, wait a minute. We've been to stop this whole interview. I'm being real with you. Give me a PMC story. That you can remember. Yeah, she did. So I'm 28. So either she did or either she didn't, man. Either she lied or either she did. I can give you one that I really do remember. Yeah. You hear what I just said? Either she lied or we're going to put on, I just talked to he's Leo the other week. Don't do this, man. No, I got you. We went to the zoo. We wasn't supposed to go to the zoo, but we ended up going to the zoo. It was my dad, Pimp C, and then Pimp C's son. Okay. And Pimp C, people think that it's a character. He ain't no character. That's him. That's him all the time. The way he talks in his songs, he talks in real life. Wow. My dad mimics him. So the whole time we at the zoo, Pimp C, Ronnie, look at that bird. My daddy. I see that bird. So, you know, he's like talking like that. But he's not a character. It was all real. Wow. He'd never fake anything. Nothing was for the cameras. And the love he has for the South, that's him. Deep, like that is. He don't play by Texas or South or period. He don't play. No. And it was even, I like to say that Pimp was kind of like an uncle because my grandmother didn't play about Pimp either. Wow. Like at all. We would go and visit him. I'm a West. I think we're family. You talking about when he was on Tiro unit? Yes. You used to go to the prison to visit him? Yes. We went to go visit him. Wow. How was that? Just like going to visit his family. I mean, how old was you? You was young. No, I was like, yeah, I was young. I was probably like 10 or 11. 10 or 11. Somewhere in that area. So you just watched. You didn't ever say nothing to him. No, I got to talk to him. Was that, was that, was that like the visit was, it was just like sitting here. Yeah. Like my grandmother had it to where she can have contact visits with him. Yes. So he would sit across the table and then we would sit on the other side. But it wasn't anything like weird or different. Isn't that so funny? He was a celebrity. Correct. Correct. So I mean, people were coming to visit and it'd be like, is that Pimp? Walk up to him and be like, can I just shake your head? My grandmother kind of looked like. Yeah. Yeah, like, yeah. I'm busy. I'm busy. That's right. He would still do it. Wow. Because I know a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet he does. How was that when he passed away for you? Sorry about that, babe. It was unbelievable. Sorry. It was, it was, you don't, you couldn't believe it. And then the way that they, they described it, he was in LA. Yeah. It was just a shocker. Yeah. Because he was, he was great. He was going to do great things. Of course. Like, he had the city on his back. Yeah, I've seen that. We was waiting on him to come home and he would sit down and tell my grandmother all these big plans. I got this, I got that. I got so many big things to do when I get out. I can't wait till I get out. And then when he finally did, it was like, dang, your time was cut short. Wow. Man, amazing. Amazing. You know, like I said, ever since I was young, I've been listening to this dude my whole life. Oh, man. Except, you know, when he came out. Because I'm, I think I'm older than him. I really do. Pimp amazing. Me and Tupac the same age. So I know, I'm probably, it's, we somewhere along the lines. I met Bunn, but I never got, I, I seen Pimp see before. Bunn is sweetheart. Yeah. Bunn dope. He met all my family, you know, and he was a stand up guy in the midst of it. So I like that, you know. And then what's your dad taking you down there to see him, you know, while he was in prison? Because a lot of people. Her mom took her. Her mom. People try not to take their kids to prison to visit because they don't want them to see the person behind bars. I wanted to remember them, you know, when they're out. Right. So how did that situation feel to you? My grandmother was a realist person. And I say that because she taught me reality. She didn't keep nothing from me. It wasn't no, oh, these people are going to college for a long time. No. The reality is he's a black man. He's incarcerated. This happens. To most black men, right? To go and see what this is. So you won't be dumb in the world because she saw us. I'm not going to be here. So I might as well show you the stuff that, you know, goes on in life while I'm here. So when you get up, you grow up in the world, you'll be like, oh, my grandmother did prepare me for this. So I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't nothing of being embarrassed to go and see him or being nervous to go see him. It was just a reality of that this happened and it happens. So. Right. Yeah. So I mean, that's a, that's a hell of a story. You know, I like that. I appreciate that. That does something for your boy right there. If you ever see a lot of her shows, he continuously talked about Pemcee Hall. I don't have to. All my guests do. No, I don't play. He does. All my guests do. And I just, I just, she hated it because she a hater. Because it had nothing to do with Pemcee either. This is between me and her. You know what I'm saying? Now, if you know, I get it. You know, yeah, I mean, we in Texas, of course, his name comes up. I just know the history of it. And it just kind of goes a little longer than what you would expect. But yeah. Let me give you an example. No example. Let me give you an example. Every time we drive in anywhere out of town on the way back, that's all we listen to is Pemcee. And South. I thought that was what everybody do. And then he will give me the history of it. So. Yeah. No, he will break it down and give me the history of this song. Every song. Yeah. Yeah. He goes into it. Mine is play is anthem for me. Like I told my husband when we renew our vows, I'm going to walk down the aisle to that song. Really? Like I have to. I'm going to have too hard to swallow all that. So we're coming up on three years. So when you plan to renew. We're thinking about doing it when my daughter turns five. That'll be our five year anniversary. It seems right. Yeah. Five and then ten, maybe 15. It's pretty cool to do a renewal. It is. It's pretty damn expensive. Congratulations. Yeah. That's why I kind of gave him the side. Let's just be real from a man's perspective. It's a pretty expensive deal. Because I'm expensive. I ain't going to lie. Well, I am too. That's the problem. Well, he should have known what he took on whenever he got together with you. Sorry, daddy. He watching. It is your fault. So do you. Go ahead. But I know you talk about. I listened to a couple of interviews. You talk about your dad a lot. Yeah. Where was your mom? So I've never met my mother. I've been with my dad since I was about six months old, I was told. I'd be younger than that. I just recently met my sister last week for the first time. And then I met my brother three weeks ago for the first time. On your mom's side. Yeah. And I still have one more brother I haven't met. I haven't met any of my grandparents. And then I met my mom's sister like two months ago for the very first time ever. Like that was her first time. So did she pass away or something? My mom's still alive. She moved from Ohio. She's now currently, I believe, in Indianapolis, I think. It was the last time I talked to her. Oh, so you've spoken to her? We face time. She face times her granddaughter all the time, but we just haven't physically met. Wow. Have you ever asked her why? Why? I mean, I have. She's given me her reasons and I'm like, you know, when you're ready and God permitted it, it happened. Yeah. I'm not going to rush you. Don't rush me, you know, but, you know, the world has a weird way of aligning things and places. I thought I wasn't going to see my brothers and sisters. But how do you feel about this whole situation? Have you like forgiven? Did you have anything like hold her up for it? So the way I look at it, and most people say I'm crazy for it, whatever happened with them, that's them. I don't have anything to do with it because I was a child. So I'm not going to hold it against my dad. I'm not going to hold it against my mom. That's y'all. I'm saying how did y'all reconnect though? She found me on my space. Actually, my sister found me on my space and she just kind of connected. Because she knew about you. Yeah. She just kind of connected us from there. And then when we stopped using my space, Facebook came along and then all the family just, we just started. But did you know about them before that? Yeah. My dad never kept anything away from me. He never kept, that's what I was wondering. My dad would always tell me, you know, your mom's a beautiful person. She just had problems and, you know, it happened. So. Wow. That's dope. Yeah. That's life. You come from a dysfunctional family. Yeah. But then functional at the same time. Let me do my thing here. You know what I'm saying? You were dysfunctional, but functional within that dysfunction. Yeah. Yeah, I go hard like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I went in right then. You know, that's a bar. Stop playing. You know what I'm saying? But with dysfunction, if you learn how to overcome it, it permits growth. It does. You know what I mean? You learn that you're, you know, stagnant in life. Yeah. But let's just be real. Her dysfunction is not really on the level of dysfunctionality that others have to experience because she has a song with Big Mo at four years old. You know, five, six, she on the studio. This is not the dysfunction that everybody else is experiencing. She's on songs with everybody. Her dysfunction, she just really dancing through. She dancing through her dysfunctionality. You know what I'm talking about? Give me stuff to write about. Give me them great songs to write about. But you gotta think about it in live when we're going through issues, no matter what kind of dysfunction a person is going through, you always think that yours is the worst more than anybody else. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you can't really always scale it because even you didn't have your mom there. And I know you had your grandmother. Yeah, my grandmother was like my mom. So she replayed. My grandmother and my dad's sister, they stepped in and I didn't feel like I missed anything. Okay. So you always tell me you can't miss something you ain't never had. So as a kid growing up, seeing other kids with their moms, it was like, I got two. How y'all feel? You know, my God shall supply all your needs according to his riches and glory. Yeah. So you don't have to worry about nothing. No. He's already done it. It was fine. Yeah. So that's the way it be. That's good. I definitely, anybody would want to be you. I'm looking at your scale of the artists that you've dealt with and all of the stuff that you have been able to accomplish over the years that you have. And a lot of people will never get to those levels in their career. And you say, well, how do you say that? Because you're on a lot of different songs that really, really wrote history for us. Yeah. I'm being real. Like it's a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. So when I look at it, it's a dope way to grow up. But at the first time when you did that song at four years old, it wasn't Bar Baby at four. You did Renetta with your daddy. Oh man. We fell in love with that song. I ain't fell in love with the song. I'm jealous as hell. No, I'm jealous. I ain't did nothing with my daughter. I'm thinking about what I ain't done really. Is she over there like, oh, that's so sweet. I'm over there like, damn, I ain't doing nothing. Like I wasn't supposed to. Bruh, you better try to do a song there. Yeah, I'm trying. I love it. That song was a gift and he just happened to have no choice but to take me to the studio. And while I was there, he was like, hey, you want to come here with daddy and do some stuff? Sure. I remember I had my little crayons and stuff because I would go to skip home in the studio and I would sit in the corner and color. He lived in this huge house. Like it was huge. And I just go bring all my colors and sit there and talk to the crayons and color and he was like, put that down. I need you to come in the booth and say something for me. Wow. And then I just started singing like, if you can sing, I can sing. And they kept it. So it's actually two versions. There's one version of me just saying, daddy, will you sing me a song, please? And that's it. And then it's another version of me. We heard that other version. We heard the other version. Oh, daddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one I love. I love that. Same, man. I was jealous as hell. Man, shout out to Ronnie Spencer for doing it right when I got it wrong as hell. I mean, I ain't sang with nobody. No, you still got time. Now, all this girl, you've seen a while ago. That's my baby girl. She feel to go do her thing. She don't want to sing with me. Don't be surprised. She don't want to dance, girl. Man, she don't want to sing with me. All they want is money. That's all they want. That's all they want. We don't raise us. I don't know what the hell we done done. And deuces, they want to go hang out with their friends. They want to go do their own thing. You're different, dawg. My baby, she, yeah, she hang out with him. She just got her license, so she gone. Oh, bless y'all's heart. She got her license, she gone. She got her car and everything. I remember those days. But listen, man. Ronella, you... But what I wanted to know, though, how did it feel when you heard your song? When you heard yourself on Wax after that, after you did that, like, first time? Did you just say on Wax? Or what the hell did you think you were? She right. It was on Wax. No, no, I know it. But I'm just tricking on them. What the hell going on, man? You been reading books until... Don't do me. Don't do me. Don't do me. I love my wife, man. She just go, yeah, just throw that out there like this. So the first time you heard just Wax, how did it feel? I know you were really young, but it was kind of like, that's me. Like, you know, you just smile and look around like, I did that. That was me. Oh, really? So that made you feel more motivated to keep going? Yeah, made me feel like, this is really, oh yeah, this is really what I'm going to do. You don't know what you just did. You just created a monster. Ronella is different. You're not the average young daughter, okay? Yeah. So stop trying to... You know, y'all trying to create this regular narrative, but it's not. My daddy say I got one of them old special souls. You got a different way about yourself. And being real, to do what she done at that early age like that, it's not something that every child is doing. Yeah, no. So, and it's great that he provided that, you know, that way, but it's God more than anything, you know, the fact that that was, it's a God-given talent. And then the places you were at was already wrote out by God. So it was already written. And where you going? Yeah. Yeah. All of it's been done already. I'm ready too. I've been at my seatbelt on and I'm just trusting God in the process. Are you ready for when your daughter come to you and say, mommy, I want to sing too? I can't wait. The day she say she want to sing, I'm retiring and I'm all hands in. Like, it's no longer about me no more. Like, you want to do this? Let's go. Are you going to be as hard on her as your daddy was on you? I appreciate it. So definitely. Like, then I didn't understand, but now that I'm older, I am so thankful he didn't let up. He didn't let up in anything. My education, he didn't let up. Nothing. Like, I couldn't go to parties. We didn't know what that was. When I had my car, my curfew was like set, set. It was no street lights. If you're not at the house by nine o'clock, I'm taking the keys. I'm taking the car. I'm taking everything. I wish my daughter had it. I may need to impress her with those type of rules. He didn't play. Like, I tried it one time. Came home at like nine o' five. I was like, he ain't going to do nothing. Took my keys and went around the block and ran out all my gas. It's nothing. Like, you really, it's five minutes. Like, for real? Yeah. You going back talk, I can make it worse. Wow. All right. I'm just go upstairs and I guess read a book. Right. So Ronnie would count tough on you. Yeah. He still is. He still is. Yeah. I had to call him on my way here. He was like, you know, you, you be late in this Dallas. I say, yeah, daddy, I know I'm, I'm going to be a little late. Like a little, you should have left earlier. He said the same thing. Yeah. That's all good. When I come to Houston, I'm going to try to get you to hook that up. I'm going to interview him. I love you. I'll bring him down here. You can come here too. It don't matter. You can sleep the whole way, but yeah. Yeah. You could have brought him today. Y'all playing. Oh, they going to the water park with the grand baby. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Man, we, we definitely, I wanted to get back. I had, we went out of town last night and I wanted to get back for this cause yeah, cause I wanted to, I wanted to make sure, you know, I was excited about it. You know, the history that you hold, the people that you've dealt with, it's just a dope setting. I've met a lot of them. Some of them on that wall right there. I see you boy. That wall impressive. Yeah, everybody say that. Most people don't have that wall. They say they do. Yeah. But that's just a lot of time working. That's me and her working, you know. That's good. That's a blessing. Yeah. Just over the years. You see them little ones down there with T.I. when they was little, them same two you just met. Right beside the picture with Blackston. Look how little they are. They was young, man. What does time go? Time go fast. Time is rude. You take a lot of pictures of your daughter to do a lot of videos. The video. Time is rude. Yeah. My baby, my baby see a camera. She'll stop everything. Everything. I hope I got me a little model on my head. I was about to say, I was just about to ask, because I know you did a little bit of modeling. Yeah. So. She got her first fashion show in December, so we're going to see. Oh, so you are putting her into it. That was what you about to ask her. Yes. What agency did you get her with? So she's not with the agency. She's a free agent right now. Most of my work, when I first got started, I was a free agent until I wanted to get into more difficult shows. You got to have an agency. So shout out to Carnell, because I was signed with Sonage Model Management. He put me on one of his biggest shows, Fashion Beyond the Limits. So kind of gave me the experience of like a really, really, really big show. See, that's what I wanted to know, because I'm not, what's the benefits of having an agent compared to, you know, being a. Those big shows, New York Fashion Week, Los Angeles Fashion Week, because I mean, most of them, they don't, most of those designers are impressed if you're with an agency. If you're not, they just look at you as your inexperience. You don't know what you're doing. Nine times out of ten, you know exactly what you're doing. You just don't want to be tied down. You don't want to have those stipulations. You don't want to get that five or 10 or 15. Yeah, that's about to say yeah. But once you're getting those big shows and you're getting that experience and that exposure, you don't take that 10%. I don't care. Somebody else be going to pick me too. So I'm cool with it. I give it to you. You used to watch that on, what was that? Tyre Model. Yeah. Tyre Banks. Tyre Banks then, they didn't want me. They said I was underweight. You went on there? Yeah, I was underweight. I was like a hundred and twenty-three pounds. When did you go on there? I didn't know that. So I was 16 when I went. This is when they first started just really opened it up to the teenager. She dissed you. She didn't diss me. No, no, no. Let's make it up. It's multiple. She dissed her. It's multiple auditions that you have to go through before you even get to the teenager. Get to them. I would imagine. And they were like, well, you have to look, but you're a little underweight. We need you a little, you know, we need you to kind of plump up just a little bit because of all the interrex it going on and all the girls that were going through the bulimia and stuff. They weren't messing with that. They didn't want that to happen. And I was like, I ain't even gonna make. I ain't. I ain't. Right. Yeah, I'd about you. That's so crazy. You know, with models, they want you as skinny as you can come. Now they want you thick. So I'm just like, well, I mean, I eat, but it don't stick. So I don't know. And I had a baby. And a baby is still on the way too. So see a lot of people wish they could be you. I'm just like, well, like, oh, well, fine. Don't take me. I use Instagram. It didn't stop you though. No. It didn't stop you. So that's great. That's good. Because you started modeling at how old? Because it wasn't 15. Okay. So you started modeling. Tell me the story. So that had nothing to do with my dad. My dad didn't even... Well, he spoke it into existence. So I'm gonna say it had something to do with him. Oh, so he knew. My dad's sister, my aunt Rachel, she took me to HCC College for a casting call. And I modeled for their show every year. And then after that, she just got to be more and more sure. Oh, she was determined. You look thin, thin. You finna walk these runway. She taught me how to do my makeup, my hair. She taught me all the necessities on becoming a model. My first big fashion show that I did with her in my first big fashion campaign was Italian Vogue. I was the only black girl. And I was dead in the middle. I had glue in my eyes. So my eye was all pink. And she was squirting red eye in my eye. And she was like, we ain't finna mess this up. She's in the middle. And I'm like, okay, but my mascara. Right. But people don't understand with models how many, oops, they go through and they have to fix it. Model is hard. They have to keep walking like nothing is wrong. Their foot could be, their ankle could be wrong. I think singing any day over modeling. What's the most difficult situation you've ever seen happen in modeling? We had to do a bridal showcase at the Jar Jar Convention Center downtown. And it was basically maybe 10 girls, 30 looks. And they had us coming back to back. I couldn't fit the shoes. So I'm a size eight and a half, nine. My foot was in a size seven and a half shoe. The dress that I had on was two sizes too small. So I'm in this core set, could barely breathe. My aunt is looking at me like, you got it. Better not pass out. When you get to the stairs, you need to basically run to get to the next designer. And I fell down the stairs, sliced my leg open. My auntie was like, I got it. We gon' patch it up and get going. You good. Your next look is some pants. And I had graduation. Did you get blood on anything? No. When I tell you, she was a working art with that tape. Wow. Wow. And I almost missed graduation. So afterwards we were running and she was like, we got graduation. So I'm running. She was like, your hair and makeup's already done. I'm going to put my little dress on and stuff. We running down the parking lot. Wow. That's dope. You finally made it to graduation? Man. So who, I know, let's talk about Bar-Baby. Let's go. I'm ready. When you, okay, give me a spill on that because I know you've said it on other, but you ain't said it on my site. You ain't said it on my platform. I'm ready. So just for our listeners, when you and Big Mo did that song, how did it, for you, you were young, but how did it happen in your eyesight? So I was six when it, when we actually recorded the song and D-Wreck and note D actually called my dad. I was told that they were trying to use a sample. Couldn't find a sample. So my dad ended up taking me to the studio. I couldn't even reach the mic. We had phone books. I sat on top of the phone books. I couldn't get the notes right. So my daddy had to lay a dummy track and I had to listen to it like four or five times. And then my dad was like, can you do it now? Yeah. Bar baby. And they was like, yeah, that's it, baby girl, that's it. I didn't really pay no attention. I got down, got my Barbies when sat in the studio while they did whatever they did. When it hit was when I went home and I don't know how they did this so fast compared to now how you got to get everything mixed in master before you even. I got home, getting ready to get in the bed, go to school. And my daddy put on the radio and he said, listen, you got this brand new joint by your very own big mold bar, baby. Future Ron, that expensive. It's the bar, baby. That quick. That quick. That's quick. And I'm just trying to figure out like, how did they get that? Knowing what I know, like it's processing steps where they just show you how much power they had back then. And how the ties were and put this on the bed. Put that on there and get it done. I got kind of listening to the song too. It got to a point where when we were getting the car to go to school and I adhered, I'm like, honey, what did you do? I went here. Did your friends know it was you? No, because I went to a private school. Okay. So I went to a Christian private school. Them kids didn't know nothing. They didn't know. They don't listen to that type of music. It was school by y'all over there. They didn't know. They was trying to straight listen to whatever they were being told in that school. That's it. When I made the transition in third grade to go to public school, some of the kids knew. Yeah. But they didn't know it was me. And my daddy had instilled to me, don't tell nobody that she keep it quiet. Wow. This is a public school. Privacy. We don't know how these people are. Oh, you talking private to public. Yeah. And then I went to middle school. Beverly Hills Intermediate. And it's one guy named Ray Gonzalez. Wanted to play a game of Google. Shout out Ray. We gonna Google our names. I wasn't thinking. I was like, all right. One kid do that. We got free period. You want to Google people's names? Google. You didn't even know what would pop up? We Googleed everybody's name. Got to mine probably third to last. And it popped up. I know the Spencer Bar babies. I was like, oh, I'm getting in trouble. I'm in trouble. What did they say when they seen it? What did your friend say? I didn't have a cell phone. I wasn't allowed to have a cell phone in school. My daddy said the only person you need to call was me. And if you need to call me, go to the principal's office. He got their razors, right? And they texting people. And I'm like, what are y'all doing? Ray was like, why you didn't tell us? My daddy told me not to tell y'all. I get called down to the office. Oh, you got called down to the office for this? I got called down to the office. The word spread that quickly. It spread quick enough to get to my daddy's phone. I got called down to the office. I get down there. My dad and my grandmother and my daddy looking at me like. You was about, what, 10, 11, 12? I was about 11 or 12. He looking at me like, what did I tell you? It's not that hard to keep your mouth shut. And I'm trying to explain to him, it's not my fault it was Ray. And he was like, who was Ray? He googled it. And then my grandmother was like, technology. You can't stop that, Ronnie. So he was like, we're going to have to have a talk with the teachers. They had to talk with the teachers. Kids treated me okay. I got a little special treatment. But for the most part, kids, they treated me fine. And when I got to high school, it was a whole different ball game. When I got to high school. He was in high school. Dad, nigga, high school, sweetheart. This nigga, man. Out of nowhere. He was my crush. He had a girlfriend, so he was my crush. Oh, that nigga Cheetah. Okay. I was nerdy. Like I had the glasses and then I transitioned into contacts my junior year and all that stuff. So when I would see him, it was kind of like, you know, to my friends, nigga, he got a girl. But what I would say with junior year, senior year, people really started finding out. You said that's that girl that was on the big mold. How did they react? What did they do? High school was a trip. Did you get any bullying? No. It was cool with everybody. You had the people that didn't like me. I didn't really care. You had the ones that was the non-believers didn't really care either. Then you had the ones that were in the music industry that knew, that recorded at my daddy's studio and was like, nah, you good. We got you no worries. Then you had just the ones that wanted to just say, hey, I sat with her or I took a picture with her. But I was cool with everybody. I didn't have any problems. I wasn't a problem child because my daddy didn't have a problem coming up to the school. My daddy didn't either. But in high school, it was just kind of like, you sing Bar Baby. They treated me like a celebrity, but it was kind of like, oh, she cool. Yvonetta, yeah, she cool. She sing too. I wanted talent shows. Wow. So I mean, they would show mad love, like North Shore show mad love on talent shows. I get up there and do my little, you know, I sing Chaka Khan. Hey. So I get up there. You know, they rock with me. The teachers rock with me. But high school was okay. Middle school just kind of scared me because I didn't know what was going to happen. I didn't know if I was going to get in trouble about Ronnie. Sorry, daddy, I called you by your first name. Let me ask you, so when Big Mo died, how was that? Well, let's not talk about that. Let's talk about you getting older and him still, you and him having that relationship. What was that like? I would get calls. They kept in touch with my grandmother a lot. So I would get calls, making sure that those grades never dropped. You know, if your grades drop, you're going to have a problem with all of us. And that just wasn't from Mo. That was from all of them. Like all of them. Like who? Uncle Screw. Well, Uncle Screw used to pop up at my elementary sometimes. He was my cousin's godfather. Okay. So he was family too. And he wants these money. You better keep them grades above, you know, above average. I'm letting you slide with the A-minus, but baby girl education is key. Okay, Uncle Screw. And even grades drop. You can't come to the house with no Mo. You can't be doing none of that no Mo until you get your grades. And it was the same thing with all of them. My Uncle Derek was the same way. Well, CEO of Rec Shop. Rec Shop. Them boys went home. Yeah. Progress reports and report cards was mandatory. Wow. Did you get paid? I wanted to keep ID. As I'm about to say, did you get paid for that report card? I'm still paying to this day. They let me slide with B-minuses. But if it was a C on there, we had a C-H talking. Like sometimes I couldn't go to the studio. But until I brought it up, because there was no reason I should have it. But it was either you talking too much or you lullagag. Because you smart enough. So why is it like this? See, in our house, you have to have all A's or it's not getting paid. Oh, yeah. You can't get paid. When I transitioned, because I went to go and live with my aunt. Because the schools over there were like... Better. Better. So my daddy was like, you know, you're going to go over there. After my grandmother passed away. And, you know, you're going to... Gotta ram her down. When my auntie was known for you graduating and going to college and getting a good paying job. She was known for that. All the nieces and nephews went to her house. If they didn't go to her house, they ain't. They ain't where they should be. Wow. Sorry if y'all watched. But it's the truth. Y'all know it's the truth. Okay. But when you got older from... And I'm looking at it from four or six all the way up to now 13, 15. Big Mo still... He's alive at this time. So I'm just trying to understand. The bar baby, I'm talking about the song. I'm thinking about how she transitioned to being an older teen from being that little girl and still having that relationship with Big Mo and Rex Shop and all those guys. It was hard. You said it was hard. I mean, Rex Shop, you know, they all did their separate things at one point in life. So, I mean, everybody was solo at one point. Yeah. And, you know, it wasn't a group. So I couldn't just call one and they all in the same room recording again. So I had to call separately. But I was still talking to Mama Mo. I still talked to Mama Mo to this day. I actually spoke with her not too long ago at Exotic Pop. I spoke with Mo a lot. If they had shows, I was incorporated. If I couldn't go, then, you know, they let me know it's not the spot for you. You know, I ain't coming to this one, but it's going to be another one next time. Any big arenas, though, I was always incorporated. They always called me. So he passed. I was actually at school. I came home. He was already sick. Yeah, my grandmother was in tears. She said, I got to figure out how to tell your daddy because my dad was incarcerated at the time. Wow. She said, I got to figure out how to tell your dad. I was like, tell him what? She said, well, Mo passed away. Wow. I said, which one? Big Mo? Wow. She said, yeah, I just got the call. So she said, I'm going to try to go down there and tell your dad. She said, but my fear is he already know. Can't work it around. Yeah, my dad was incarcerated when Pimp died. Yeah. So it hit him hard, too. Wow. So she said, well, I'm going to leave you with your aunt and just go down there and have a talk with him and see. When she came back, she said, yeah, it took a toll on him. He just didn't believe it. Yeah. And I said, yeah, Granny, you know, I understand. Well, you know, Pimp and then now Mo, I understand. It's hard to deal with when you lose somebody when you're incarcerated. You can't do anything about it. Yeah, I got locked up six months after my mom passed, but my best friend died when I was locked up. So I get it. You just, you have to deal with it, but you so focused on the world you in around and you can't really grieve like that. So you have to be strong. You have to be strong. Yeah, because there's always somebody around you. It's kind of like a strong job outside to be strong, too. Correct. Even though you don't really know what to do. Yeah. So, yeah, so, but then, you know, you, you basically, you was able to go to the funeral and all that stuff. She didn't let me go. She didn't let you go. Really? How old were you? I think I was 13. 13, okay. My grandmother passed when I was 14, like right after Mo. Wow. She wanted to didn't let you go. Yeah. She told me, she was like, I'm not letting you go to this. She said, this is just something I don't think you should go to. Even though you're saying you can be okay, that's like family. I'm not, we're not doing that. And you wanted to go or? I did. I wanted to go. I was like, no, I think I should go. Like I feel like I should be there, you know, just to pay my respects. And she was like, no, I think this is, she said, one, that's the bar, baby, you know, and you sing that. I don't know how these people going to react. She said, I don't want you there. Yeah, I get it. So my cousin actually went for us. Because at the time, my grandmother was having a health issue. She didn't go either? She didn't go either. So he went and he came back and told her, he said, man, they put him away nice. Everything was purple. It was nice. And she said, that's, that's how it should be done. Wow. So, man, I was a special dude. Dude did, now ESG. Hold on, before you get into that, what I want to know is after bar, baby, between the age of six till 13, 14, did you do any music in between that? Yeah, I did. I did another song called Rich Girl with Toe Down. You're a rich girl and you've gone too far. And he played on the radio so much into, I did the same thing. He had it in top, so it was in the top 10. Then he went from top 10 to top five. Then he went from top five to top three. So they was playing it every, every hour it felt like. And I was like, man, I'm tired of hearing this song. I don't want to hear it no more. Wow. I cut it off. She was like, girl, no, I'm supporting. You don't know they might count these radio plays to your ass cap. At the time, I ain't no ass cap, boys. I was like, man, I don't want to listen to this. Granny is like, no, I don't want to cut it off. And shout out to Toe Down, because I was on that song with Toe Down. And how old were you when you did that one? I recorded that one at 10. And I think they released it like around 11 or 12. What's the next song you did after that? I did It's All Gravy. And it was just a hook with my Uncle Nook. He's like, I just need you to come in and say, It's All Gravy. It's All Gravy. And then I was like, Uncle Nook, I hear something else. Can I put it? I don't like it. I'll take it all. But yeah, put it. Put it, ended up keeping it. It wasn't until years later, when I say years, I think I was like 20. Now I was Googling myself, right? And I looked up It's All Gravy. And it's got Bumbi on there. Wow. Never knew. Wow. So what else did you put on there other than It's All Gravy? I come through slinging, riding drop tops with my 15s, banging in this All Gravy, riding through the hood, looking good, working foot, like a real player, shooting this All Gravy. You did all of that. Wow. And how old were you then? I was like 10. Okay. So you did that back to back with the other one and that one. Okay, that's cool. And then after that, it was just everything kind of stopped. Once my dad left, my grandmother passed, my aunt was like, I just really want you to take this time and get your education. Yeah. And that's 14. How long was your dad gone? My dad was gone five years. Okay. I talked to him every day and seen him every weekend. Okay. Like, we didn't have plans. He had to be down there in Huntsville. Beaumont. Beaumont. Which is still close. How far was that? Still close. Okay. So we live channel views. Okay. So that's not bad. And Daddy did concerts down there. Oh, yeah. They do concerts and things? Yeah, you get out. You get out. Yeah. Daddy still did what he was doing down there. Yeah. He sang when it was funny, when we were going to see him and he walked in, everybody would be like, Ronnie, sing us a song while I'm in visitation. And the warden would let him. Yeah, it was fine. Go ahead and sing a song. Did he write you any songs and sing to you and say, hey baby, I want you to sing this? No. It was vice versa. Oh. People tell me when I get out, I want you to write me an album. Did you? So I had a book and I don't think he understood the extent of how much I was writing. I had a book called The Book of Secrets. It had 250 pages in there. I wrote front and back songs. And I still had that book and we still go to that book to this day and I rip out a song and be like, Daddy, do that one. Or Daddy, here. I like that one. That song, try that one. Did he ever look through your whole book? Yeah, he has the book. I've never got the book back. Wow. And I've asked for it, but... Do you remember some of the songs? Some of them I do. Some of them is kind of like, I wrote this? Like me? All right. Cool. And he's recorded a lot of them actually. Really? His last album, majority of the songs were songs that I wrote. Wow. Love it. That's cool. So are you... So let's get to ESG now. That's my guy right there. Yeah, I only through Big Tony. But me and him, he follows me. We talk back and forth. First he wouldn't say nothing. Then I hit the niggle with the truth niggle. I'm such as such. And he's like, oh, man, tell such a... It changes. We know the same people. But at the end of the day, it's... Everything's written. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think people know the extent of that. I'm gonna believe in God. So I just know that God's the one that's orchestrating everything. So if I ask for it, it's happening anyway. People don't realize, because that's my guy. Is that manifestation? Meaning God. That's my guy. So he's gonna make it happen for me. You know what I mean? He has to be happy. I mean, God got him on the stand. So he got me. But ESG is a dope A, man. That guy there, man. I listen to him just like Pimp C now. You know, because he started early. And just give me a little bit about how you guys... I know you call him Uncle E. Uncle E. Well, I'm Uncle E too now. So stop playing. Let's get it popping though. Just talk about it for a minute. He ain't cut me no slack either. He still don't. Sometimes he give me a hard time. But for the most part, he is E. Like, you never know what you're gonna get with him. The creativity is ridiculous with him. And the studio is ridiculous because he freestyles. Yeah. He doesn't write. When he does write, it's even more lethal than a freestyle. But just to be in there. Southside still holding. All right. I got it. All you said was Southside still holding. How you got it? The rest of the song. Where is the rest of it? Let me tell you something. They do dope, man. He come down here. He got him a cousin closet. He don't even realize it. Zeke, young Zeke. That's my first cousin. And he did a song with young Zeke and solo. Solo brought him down. Shout out to solo. Solo was just on there. You don't know. No, not that solo. Not you solo. Sorry. He got shot four times. He got killed. But he used to be, you was probably about eight. You might have been about eight or seven when this happened. But at any rate, he was, ESG came up and he got him a cousin closet over there in North Dallas and did a song for him. They both did it together. Zeke had, you know, everybody's studio was in the closet. Y'all don't realize that. Yeah. At first people start out in the closet, nigga. But yeah, man. I might have been in some closet. We went to some one studio. My daddy says, baby, it's a little different. Daddy apologized and said, what's wrong? Well, you're going to record in the bathroom. But is that, if you're in the bathroom recording? Man, they had so many sheets and pillows. Yeah. They try and get that sound right. Okay. The song was good though. Yeah. But ESG is dope. He used to go down and do parties. He used to go down every, at least once a, every other year or so for big Tony and do his birthday party for him. And that's, that's my guy. Like Tony is like, he come up under me. So, you know, it was dope to have that relationship through them because this is my guy. But at the end of the day, I liked, I loved his music. I'm a Pimp C fan though. I'm going to be real. Oh, I know. But I rock with ESG. No, no. Man, he a character. He called him the Devontes. Oh yeah. Yeah. So the first time I brought him around, I was like, look, I got many uncles. Okay. They ain't, they around, they everywhere. And he say, who is this you got with him? He say, who is this you got with you? I say, this is my, this is my husband. Yo, who? I say, I got married. What's your name? So I'm going to say Devontes. He cool. I like them Devontes. That's his name. I say, what? He didn't ask him to say nothing. I got like, you good, you cool homie, you good. So every time we go to a show, he'll see me and he'll walk past me to go and speak to him. And I'm just like, if it was, all right. So did you and him got music together? Yes. What do you, explain it to me? So we did a song called So South Side. Okay. And that was an accident too. I always end up on songs by accident. Wow. So I went to the studio with Solo. There's nothing happens by accident. You know what? It was predestined. It was predestined. It was predestined. Yes. I walked in the studio. I was getting on an album with Sean Solo called Waterworld. And he played this song. He was like, this is going to be the single. And he played it. I say, oh, this jam. So he looked. She dope. I love her voice. Hey girl, you're saying. Go with it. So I say, me and he are about to let him know. Hmm. How to switch lanes. How to swing on voles. How to swing on voles. And I'm so South Side. South Side. Go record it. Woo, that went down, man. I'm enjoying it right now though. I got the concert card right here down nigga. I went in and I laid it. Now, Solo have a thing because I don't use my hands when I'm in a booth. I put my hands in my pocket. Really? I can't help it. But then, yeah. It's a habit. Because when you're right here, you're doing all of this. I got one ear off and I'm hands in pocket and I don't move. I'm just singing. And he asked me say, we got to do another video because you ain't acting right. I said, what you mean? You doing a video? Hands in your pocket. I said, yeah, it was just comfortable. I needed somewhere to put them. And then I started thinking, my hands are always in my pocket. And you know, he told me that too. You always got your hands in your pocket. I said, yeah, that mean this song is going to be good because he always said I got my hands in my pocket. So this song is going to be a good song. Keep my hands in my pocket. Wow. So you still do that even today? To this day. Wow. Except for when I'm on stage. On the stage, I'm a completely different person. Half the time, I don't know what comes over me. But my daddy always said, you know, on stage, you better use everything I taught you. You better take the dance, click everything. You better use it all.