 Well, welcome back to our SuperCloud 22 event. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE with my co-host, Dave Vellante, extracting the signal from noise. We're proud to have two amazing CUBE alumni here. We got Sanjay Poonan, who's now the CEO of Cohesity and Moat Aaron, who's the CTO co-founder also, former CEO, CUBE alumni. The father of Hyperconverged. Welcome back to theCUBE. I endorse that. He absolutely is the father of that. Great to see you guys. Thanks for coming on and perfect timing, the new job, taking over the helm for Moat at Cohesity. Big news, but part of SuperCloud, we want to dig into it. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having us here. So first, before we get into the SuperCloud, I want to just get the thoughts on the move. Sanjay, we've been following your career since 2010. You've been a CUBE alumni from that point. We followed your career. Why Cohesity? Why now? Yeah, John and David, thank you first of all for having us here and it's great to be at your event. You know, when I left VMware last year, I took some time off just really primarily, I hadn't had a sabbatical in probably 18 years. I joined two boards, Phillips and Sneak, and then started just to invest and help entrepreneurs. Most of them were Indian-Americans like me who had great tech, were looking for the kind of go-to-market connections. It was just a wonderful year to just unwind a bit. And along the way came CEO calls and I'd ask myself the question, is the tech the best in the industry? Could you see value creation that was significant three, four months ago? Mohit and Carl Eschenbach and a few of the board members of Cohesity called me and walked me through Mohit's decision, which he'll talk about in a second. And we spent the last few months getting to know him and he's everything you described. He's not just the father of hyperconverge. He wrote the Google file system, Wicked Smart, built a tech platform better than that second one, but we had to really kind of walk through the chemistry between us, which we did in long walks and in discreet places so that people wouldn't find us in a Starbucks and start gossiping. So why Sanjay? Actually, I should say it's a combination of two different decisions. The first one was to, for me, to take a different role and I've run the company as a CEO for nine years. And you know, as a technologist, I always like going deep into technology. At the same time, the CEO duties require a lot of breadth. You're talking to customers, you're talking to partners, you're doing so much. And with the way we've been growing, we've been fortunate, it was becoming hard to balance both. It's really also not fair to the company. So I opted to do the depth job, be the visionary, be the technologist, and that was the first decision to bring a CEO, a great CEO from outside. And I saw your video on the site, you said it was your decision. I have to ask you, because this is a real big transition for founders and I have founderitis, because everyone calls me that. But being the founder of a company, it's always hard to let go. I mean, in nine years as a CEO, it's not like you had a great run. So was it timing for you? Was it a structural shift? Like at SuperCloud, we're talking about a major shift that's happening right now in the industry. Was it a balance issue? Was it more if you wanted to get back in the tech? Look, I also want to answer why Sanjay, but I'll address your question first. I always put the company first. What's right for the company? Is it for me to get stuck to the CEO seat and try to juggle this depth and breadth simultaneously? I mean, I can stroke my ego a little bit there, but it's not good for the company. What's best for the company? You know, I'm a technologist. How about I oversee the technology part in partnership with so many great people I have in the company and I bring someone kick ass to be the CEO. And so then that was the second decision, why Sanjay? I mean, Sanjay is a very well-known figure. He's managed billions of dollars of business in VMware, been there, done that, has some of the biggest people in the industry on his speed dial. We were really fortunate to have someone like that come in and accept the role of the CEO of Cohesity. I think we can take the company to new heights and I'm looking forward to my partnership with Sanjay on this. We called it the Splash Brothers in the vernacular. It doesn't matter who gets the ball, whether it's Steph or Clay, we shoot. And I think if you look at some of the great partnerships where there was Gates Bomber, there are plenty of history of this where a founder and someone who is, it has to be complementary skills. If I was a technologist myself and wanted to code, we'd clash. But I think this is really a match made in heaven because he can, I want him to keep innovating and building the best platform for today and the future. And our customers, one customer told me, this is the best tech they've seen since VM were 20 years ago, AWS 10 years ago and most recently, this was a global 100 big customer. So I feel like this combination, now we have to show that it works. It's been three, four months am I getting to know him? You know, I'm day eight on the job, but I'm loving it. Well, it's a Slutman model too. It's a more modern example. You saw he did it with Fred Lutty at Service Now and of course at Snowflake. And in his book, you read his book, I don't know if you read his book. Amp it up. Amp it up. And he says, I always, you'll love this, give great deference to the founder. Always show great respect, right? And for good reason. So in fact, I mean, you can talk to him. You actually met Frank. I actually, you know, a month or so back, I actually had dinner with him in his ranch in Mutana. And I posed a question. There was a number of CEOs that went there and I posed him the question. So Frank, you know, many of us, we grow being depth guys, you know, and eventually when we take on the helm of a CEO, we have to do breadth. How do you do it? And he's like, well, let me tell you, I was never a depth guy. I'm a breadth guy. And I'm like, that's my answer. Yeah, yeah. I want the short story. So the day I got the job, I got a text from Frank and I said, what's your advice the first time CEO? Three words, amp it up. Amp it up, yeah. I said, you're always on brand, man. So you're an amazing operator. You've proven that time and time again at SAP, VMware, et cetera. Do you feel like now you're gonna do both of those skills, you got the board and you got the operations? Cause you look at Slutman, he's got Scarpelli, wherever he goes, he brings Scarpelli with him as sort of the operator. How do you, how are you thinking about that? I mean, it's early days, but. You're much smaller, right? Yeah, it's smaller. I mean, I've, you know, when I was, you know, it was 35,000 people at VMware, 80, 90,000 people at SAP, a really good run. The SAP run was 10 to 20 billion innovative products, especially in analytics in VMware, six to 12 end user computing clouds. I learned a lot. I think the company, you know, being about 2,000 employees plus not tomorrow, but over the course next year, I can meet everybody, right? So first off, the executive team, 10 of us, we're building more and more cohesiveness, if I could use that word between us, which is great. The next, you know, layers of VPs and every manager, I think that's possible. So I'm a people person and a customer person. So I think when you take that sort of extroverted mindset, we'll bring energy to the workforce to retain the best and then recruit the best. And you know, even just the week we were announced that this announcement happened, our website traffic went through the roof, the highest it's ever been, lots of resumes coming in. So, and then lots of customer engagement. So I think we'll take this, but I feel very good about the possibilities because, see, for me, I didn't want to walk into a company where the technology risk was high, okay? I feel like that I can go to bed at night and the technology risk is low. This guy's going to run a machine at the current and the future. And I'm hearing that from customers. Now what I got to do is get the amped up part on the gold market. I know a little thing or two about that. You've got that down. I think the partnership is really key here. And again, nine years as CEO and then Sanjay points to our super cloud trend that we've been looking at, which is there's another wave happening. There's a structural change in real time happening now. Cloud one was done. We saw that transition, AWS, cloud native, now cloud native with kind of an operating system kind of vibe going on with on premise hybrid edge. People say multi cloud, but we're looking at this as an opportunity for companies like Cohesity to go to the next level. So I got to ask you guys, what do you see as structural change right now in the industry that's disruptive? People are using cloud and scale and data to refactor their business models, change modern applications with cloud native. How are you guys looking at this next structural change that's happening right now? Yeah, I'll take that. So I'll start by saying that number one, data is the new oil and number two, data is exploding, right? Every year data just grows like crazy. Managing data is becoming hotter and hotter. You mentioned some of those, right? There's so many cloud options available, cloud one, different vendors have different clouds. There's still on-prem, there's edge infrastructure. And the number one problem that happens is our data is getting fragmented all over the place. And managing so many fragments of data is getting hotter and hotter. Even within a cloud or within on-prem or within edge, data is fragmented, right? Number two, I think the hackers out there have realized that to make money, it's no longer necessary to rob banks, they can actually steal the data. So ransomware attacks on the rise, it's become a boardroom level discussion. They say there's a ransomware attack happening every 11 seconds or so, right? So protecting your data has become very important. Security, data security has become very important. Compliance is important, right? So people are looking for data management solutions, the next-gen data management platform that can really provide all this stuff. And that's what Cohesity is about. What's the difference in data management and backup? Explain that. Backup is just an entry point. That's one use case. I'm going to draw an analogy. Let's draw an analogy to my former company, Google, right? Google started by doing Google search. But is Google really just a search engine? They've built a platform that can do multiple things. You know, they might have started with search, but then they went on to roll out Google Maps and Gmail and YouTube and so many other things on that platform. So similarly, backups might be just the first use case, but it's really about that platform on which you can do more with the data. That's next-gen data management. But correct, you don't consider yourself a security company. One of your competitors is actually pivoting and positioning themselves as a security company. I've always felt like data management, backup and recovery, data protection is an adjacency to security, but those two worlds are coming together. How do you see it? Yeah, the way I see it is that security is part of data management. You start maybe by backing the data, but then you secure it, and then you do more with the data. If you're only doing security, then you're just securing the data. You got to do more with the data. So data management is much bigger. So it's a security, it's a subset of data. I mean, there you go. Big tam, Sanjay. Well, I mean, I agree now. Actually, we don't get into that debate. You know, I told the company, listen, we'll figure that out, because who cares about the positioning? At the bottom of my email, I say we are data management and data security company, okay? Now, what's the best word that describes three nouns, which I think we're going to do? Management, security and analytics, okay? He showed me a beautiful diagram, went to his home in the course of one of these, you know, discrete conversations, and this was, I mean, he's done this before, many of you watch on YouTube. He showed me a picture of a nice big iceberg, and he said, listen, if you look at companies like Snowflake and Databricks, they're doing the management security and mostly analytics of data that's the top of the iceberg, the stuff you see. But a lot of the stuff that's get back to the archive is the bottom of the iceberg that you don't see. And you try to, if you try to ask a question on age data, the IT guy will say, get a ticket, I'll come back with three days, I'll unarchive the data, rehydrate it, and then you'll put it into a database and you can think. Now imagine that you could do live searches, analytics on age data. That's analytics. So I think the management, the security, the analytics of, if you want to call it secondary data or backed up data, or data that's not hot in life, warm, colder, is a huge opportunity. Now, what do you want to call one phrase that describes all of it? Do you call it management, security? Okay, whatever you want to call it. I view it as saying, listen, let's build a platform. Some people call Google a search company. People, some people call Google an information company. And we just have to go and pursue every CIO and every CISO that has a management and a security and due course analytics problem. And that's what we're doing. And when I talked to the, I didn't talk to all the 3,000 customers, but the biggest customers and I was doing diligence, they're like, this thing has got enormous potential. And we just have to now go focus, get every Fortune 1000 company to pick us. Because this problem, even the first use case, you don't go back up, is a little bit like razor blades and soap. You need it 30 years ago and you'll need it for 30 years. It's just that the tools that were built in the last generation that companies formed in the 1990s, one of them I worked for years ago, our aides are not built for the cloud. So I think this is a tremendous opportunity where many of those nouns, management, security analytics will become part of what we do. And we'll come up with the right phrase for what the companies and due course. Sanjay, so Moa and Sanjay, so given that, given that this Google transition, I like that example, search was a data problem. They got sequenced to a broader market opportunity. What super cloud we're trying to tease out is, what is that change over from a data standpoint? Because now the operating environments change, become more complex and the enterprises are savvy. Developers are savvy now. They want SaaS solutions. They want freemium and expanding. They're going to drive the operations agenda with DevOps. So what is the complexity that needs to be abstracted away? How do you see that Moa? Because this is what people are talking about. They're saying security is built in driven by developers. Developers are driving operations behavior. So what is the shift? What do you guys see this new expansive for Cohesity? How do you fit into super cloud? So let me build up from that entry point, maybe backups to what you're saying is the super cloud. Let me draw that journey. So let's say the legacy players are just doing backups. How sad is it that you have one silo sitting there just for peace of mind as an insurance policy and you do nothing with the data? If you have to do something with the data, you have to build another silo. You have to build another copy. You have to manage it separately. So clearly that's a little bit brain damage. So okay, so now you take a little bit of newer vendors who may take that backup platform and do a little bit more with that. Maybe they provide security, but your problem still remains. How do you do more with the data? How do you do some analytics? Like he's saying, right? How do you do tasks and development on that? How do you migrate the data to the cloud? How do you manage the data at scale? How do you provide a unified experience across multiple cloud, which you're calling the super cloud? That's where Cohesity goes. So what we do, we provide a platform, right? We have tentacles on-prem in each of the clouds. And on top of that, it looks like one platform that you manage. We have a single control plane, a UI, if you may, a single pane of glass, if you may, that our customers can use to manage all of it. And now it starts looking like one platform. You mentioned Google. When you go to Google search or a URL, do you really care what happens behind the scenes? I mean, behind the scenes, Google's built a platform that spans the whole world. No, but it's interesting what's behind the scenes. It's beautiful. And I would say, listen, one other thing to pull on, Dave, on the security part, I saw a lot of vendors this day in this space, whitewashing a security message on top of backup. And see-so-see through that. They'll offer warranties and guarantees or whatever have you of X million dollars with a lot of caveats, which will never pay it because it's like, escape clause here, we won't pay it. And what people really want is a scalable solution that works, and we can match every warranty. That's easy. And what I heard was this was the most scalable solution at scale, and that's why you have to approach this with a Google-type mindset. I love the fact that every time you listen to Sundar Pichai, what I like about him, the most common word to use is scale. We do things at scale. So I found that him and a poor of and some of the early Google people who come into the company had thought about scale. And even me, it's like day eight, I found even the non-tech pieces of it, the processes that these guys have built for simple things, in some cases were better than some of the things I saw at bigger companies that I've been used to. So we just have to continue building a scale platform in the enterprise, and then our cloud product is going to be the simple solution for the masses. And my view of the world is there's 5,000 big companies and five million small companies. We'll push the five million small companies to the cloud. Amazon's an investor in the company, AWS is a big partner, we'll talk about that I'm sure, knowing John's interest in that area. But that's a cloud play, and that's going to go to the cloud really fast. And you've not built a cloud. But you're in the marketplace. You're in the marketplace. I mean, maybe talk about the history of the Amazon relationship, the investing and all that. Yeah, absolutely. So two years back, late 2020, we, in collaboration with AWS, who also by the way is an investor now and in Cohesity, we rolled out what we call data management as a service. It's our SaaS service where we run our software in the cloud and literally all customers have to do is just go there and sign on, right? They don't have to manage any infrastructure and stuff. What's nice is they can then combine that with software that they might have bought from Cohesity. And it still looks like one platform. So what I'm trying to say is that they get a choice of the way they want to consume our software. They can consume it as a SaaS service in the cloud. They can buy our software, manage it themselves, offload it to a partner on premises or what have you. But it still looks like that one platform, what you're calling a super cloud. And developers are saying they want the bag of Legos to compose their solutions. That's the Nirvana. They want to get there. So it has to look the same. Well, is it what we're calling a super cloud? Can we test that for a second? So data management as a service could span AWS and on-prem with the identical experience. So I guess I would call that a super cloud. I presume it's not going to through AWS, but it's going to expand multiple clouds. But why not? Well, interesting, because we had this earlier. So okay, so we could in the future. It doesn't today. Well, we can pause for a second. Everything that we do there, if we do it, will be customer-driven. So there might be some customers. Well, I'll give you one. Walmart that may want to store the data in a non-AWS cloud just because they're competitors. So, but the control plane could still be in the way we built it, but the data might be stored somewhere else. What about a non-prem customer who says, hey, I like Cohesity. I've now got multiple clouds. I want the identical experience across clouds. Okay, so can you do that today? How do you do that today? Can we talk about that? Yeah, so basically think roughly about the split between the data plane and the control plane. The data plane is our Cohesity clusters that could be sitting on premises, that could be sitting in multiple data centers or you can run an instance of that cluster in the cloud, whichever cloud you choose. That's what he was referring to as the data plane. So collectively, all these clusters from the data plane, they store the data, but it can all be managed using the control plane. So you still get that single image, the single experience across all clouds. And by the way, the cloud vendors actually benefit because here's a customer, he mentioned a customer that may not want to go to AWS, but when they get the data plane on a different cloud, whether it's Azure, whether it's the Google cloud, they then get data management services. Maybe they're able to replicate the data over to AWS. So AWS also gains. And your deployment model is you instantiate the Cohesity stack on each of the regions and clouds. Is that correct? And you're building essentially a cloud? It all happens behind the scenes, that's right. Just like Google probably has their tentacles all over the world, we will instantiate and then make it all look like one platform. I mean, you should really think that it's like a human body, right? The control plane's the head, okay? And that controls everything. The data plane is large because it's a lot of the data. The rest of the body, that data plane could be wherever you want it to be. Traditionally in the part, the old days it was tape, then you got disk, now you got multiple clouds. So that's the way we think about it. And there on that piece of it, we'll be neutral, right? We should be multi-cloud to the data plane being every single place because it's customer demand. Where do you want your storage data? Air-gapped on-prem, no problem, we'll work with Dell. Okay, you want to be in a particular cloud, AWS, we'll work then, optimized with S3 and Glacier. So this is where I think the path to a multi-cloud supercomputer is to be customer-driven, but the control plane sits on Amazon. So we're blessed to have a number of technical geniuses in here, so earlier we were speaking to Benoit Dajaville. And what they do is different, they don't instantiate an individual, regions, what they do is have a single global. Is there an advantage of doing it the way that Cohesive does it in terms of simplicity, or how do you see that? Is that a future direction for you from a technology standpoint? What are the trade-offs there? So you want to be where the data is. When you set single global, I take it that they run somewhere, and the data has to go there, and in this day and age, when the- He said you got to move that- In this day and age- You want to do a query that's across regions. Look, in this day and age, with the way the data is growing the way it is, it's hard to move around the data. It's much easier to move around the computation than in these instances that would have you. So let the data be where it is, and you manage it right there. So that's the advantage of instantiating in multiple regions, is you don't have to move the data. We have the philosophy, we call it, let's bring the computation to the data, rather than the data to the computing. And the same security model, same governance model, same, how do you federate that? Yeah, so it's all based on policies. This overarching platform controlled by the control plane, you just, our customers just put in the policies, and then the underlying nuts and bolts to take care of- When I first heard and started, I started watching some of his old videos, it's really like hyperconverged brought to secondary storage. In fact, he said, oh yeah, that's great, you got it, because I first called this idea hyperconverged secondary storage. Because the idea of him inventing hyperconverged was bringing compute to storage. It had never been done. When you had the kind of big VCE stuff, but these guys were the first to bring that hyperconverged at Nutanix. So I think this is that same idea of bringing compute to storage, but now applied not to the warm data, but to the rest of the data, including a lot of the- What about developers? What's your relationship with developers? Can you talk about the marketplace, everything you've done, yeah. Yeah, and I'm curious as to, do you have a PAS layer, or what we call a super PAS layer, to create an identical developer experience across your super cloud, I'm gonna use my term. So we want our customers not just to benefit from the software that we write. We also want them to benefit from software that's written by developers, by third party people, and so on and so forth. So we also support a marketplace on the QHD platform, where you can download apps from third party developers and run them on this platform. There's a number of successful apps. There's one, like I said, our entry point might be backups, but even when backups, we don't do everything. For instance, we don't backup mainframes. There is a company we partner with, and their software can run in our marketplace, and it's actually used by many, many of our financial customers. So our customers don't just get the benefit of what we build, but they also get the benefit of what third parties build. Another analogy I like to draw, how you can tell in front of analogies, I drew an analogy to hyperscalers like Google. The second analogy I like to draw is that to a simple smartphone. Right, a smartphone starts off by being a great phone, but beyond that, it's also a GPS player, it's a music player, it's a camera, it's a flashlight, and it also has a marketplace, from where you can download apps and extend the power of that platform. Is that a, can we think of that as a pass layer, or no, is it really not? Okay, is it purpose built for what you're the problem that you're trying to solve? So we just build APIs, right? We have an SDK that developers can use, and through those APIs, they get to leverage the underlying services that exist on the platform, and now developers can use that to take advantage of all that stuff. And that was a key factor for me, too, because when I studied all the six, seven players that sort of so-called leaders, nobody had a developer ecosystem, nobody. The old folks were built for the hardware era, but anyone who built for the cloud to it didn't have any partners who were building on their platform. So I felt for me, listen, and that's the example of Model 9, right, it's the name of the company that does backup, so there's companies that have built on it, and there's a number of others. So our goal is to have a big tent, David, to everybody in the ecosystem who partnered with us to build on this platform, and that may take over time, but that's the way we're gonna build it. And you have a metadata layer, too, that has the intelligence to- Correct, it's all abstract, that's right. So it's a combination of data and metadata. We have lots of metadata that keeps track of where the data is. It allows you to index the data, you can do quick searches, you can actually, we're talking about the control plane. From that control plane, you can inject a search that will search throughout your multi-cloud environment, the super cloud that you call it. We have all that goodness. Sounds like a super cloud, John. Yeah, data tracing involved can trace the data lineages. You can trace the data lineage, so we provide compliance and stuff. All right, so my final question to wrap up, first of all, thanks for coming on. I know you're super busy. Sonja, we know what you're gonna do. You're gonna amp it up and knock all your numbers out, they always do. Moe, I'm interested in what you're gonna jump into, because now you're gonna have the creative license to jump in to the product, the platform. There has to be the next level in your mind. Can you share your thoughts on where this goes next? Love the control plane, separate out from the data plane. I think that plays well for super cloud. How much time do you have, John? This guy's got, he's got a wealth of ideas. Keep going, Moe. This is the most important thing you're gonna focus on that kind of brings the super cloud and vision together. Yeah, right away I'm gonna, perhaps I can partition it into two things. The first one is, I like to call it building the machine, the system, just to draw an analogy. Look, I draw an analogy to the US traffic system. People from all walks of life, rich, poor, Democrats, Republicans, different states, they all work in the traffic system and we drive well. It's a system that just works. Whereas in some other countries, the system doesn't work. We know a few of those. It's not about the people, it's the same people who would go from here to those countries and not drive well, so it's all about the system. So the first thing I have my sights on is to really strengthen the system that we have in our research and development to make it a machine. I mean, it functions quite well even today, but I want to take it to the next level, right? So that, I want to get to a point where innovation just happens in the grassroots, and it's just like we- Automation, scale, upbring- All that just happens without anyone overseeing it. Anyone, there's no single point of bottleneck, I don't have to go take any diving catches or have you. There are people just working in a decentralized fashion and innovation just happens. The second thing I want to work on, of course, is my heart and soul is driving the vision, the next level, and that, of course, is part of it. So those are the two things- We heard from all day in our SuperCloud event that there's a need for an operating system. Whether that's de facto standard or open, do you see a consortium around the corner, potentially to bring people together so that things could work together? Because there really isn't no standard, there isn't a standard's bodies. Now we have great hyperscale growth, we have on-premise, we've got the SuperCloud thing happening. And it's kind of like, what is an operating system? Operating system exposes some APIs that the applications can then use. And if you think about what we've been trying to do with the marketplace, we've built a huge platform, and that platform is exposed through APIs that third party developers can use. And even we, when we build more and more services on top, we rolled out DMAZ, we rolled out backup as a service, and we're ready for the thing, security as a service, governance as a service, they're using those APIs. So we are building a distributed operating system of sorts. Well, congratulations on a great journey. Sanjay, congratulations on taking the helm. You got ball control now, you're going to be calling the ball at Tohe City. As they say, it's a team. It's a, you know, I think I like that African phrase, if you want to go fast, you go alone. If you want to go far, you go together. So I've always operated with the bestie. I'm so fortunate. This is, to me, like a dream come true because I always thought I wanted to work with a technologist that frees me up to do what I like. I mean, I started as an engineer, but that's not what I am today. So I do understand product tech. And in this category, I think it's right for disruption. So I feel excited, you know. It's changing and growing. Yeah, no. And so it requires innovation with a cloud-scale mindset. And you guys have been great friends through the years. We'll be watching. And I think it's not only disruption, it's creation. There's a lot of white space that just hasn't been created yet. That's what you're going to have to do. And, you know, the proof is in the pudding. We already have five of the biggest 10 financial institutions in the US that are customers. 25% of the fortune 500 uses us. Two of the biggest five pharmaceutical companies in the world use us. Probably, you know, some of the biggest companies, you know, the cars you have, you know, out there probably are customers. So it's already happening. I know you got an IPO filed confidentially. I know you can't talk numbers, but I can tell by your confidence, you're feeling good right now. We are feeling good. Yeah, one day, one week, one month at a time. I mean, you just, you know, I like the, you know, Jeff Bezos, Andy Jassy expression, which is it's always day one. You know, just because you've had success, even, you know, if, and when an IPO makes sense, you just have to say humble and hungry because you realize, okay, we've had a lot of success in the fortune 1,000, but there's a lot of white space that hasn't picked us as yet. So let's go. There's lots of mid-market accounts. Product opportunities are still there. So, you know, I do just stay humble and hungry. And if you've got the team, and then, you know, I'm really going to be working also in the ecosystem, I think there's a lot of very good partners. So lots of ideas brewing through the head. Okay, well, thank you so much for coming on our super cloud event and also doubling up on the news of the new appointment and congratulations on the success of theCUBE. Covered super cloud 22. I'm Jeff Vellante. Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more segments after this break.