 Hello, hello everyone welcome, which to this workshop Which looks like a family gathering But thank you for being here today. I invite you to come a little bit closer because we have those lights Shining in our eyes and we can see your face better if you move to the first or second row. So we don't bite Today we have a workshop and our intention is to make work press more sustainable today and That's quite a challenge So I will speed up First of all, let me introduce ourselves to you Nora Ferrero's She is living in Barcelona and she is UX and UI developer and she started this fire But she will explain about it later on and then we have now by Badiola He comes from Spain as well and he's a wordpress developer and very into sustainability and He learns a lot and he's eager to share it with with the community and Me, Thijs Buijs Living in Utrecht Netherlands and I'm the owner of Yellow Lime, which is an Digital marketing office digital marketing agency in the Netherlands We have set out a roadmap for today and first of all we would like to talk a little bit about the importance of sustainability and Then we will introduce our story about how it all started And Then we would like to brainstorm together with you how we can make wordpress more sustainable today But we will give an introduction later on And in the end we will have a short wrap-up of what we've discussed with each other what we've learned and so on Okay, so I will do some quick contests to understand why it's important to focus in Sustainability in this case in digital sustainability, but we will broaden the the scope of the conversation So if internet would be a country it would be the fifth one in times in Regarding the energy that is needed and this is going to get worse because it's going to be fourth in 2022 2025 this is just under US China and India, so it's really Taking a lot of energy so yeah to put it in context also is more than what the Ironautical and also the shipping industry industries taking so Just to say that is quite a lot And indeed right now is about 2% that looks like it's not that much But here is is if you compare it and the thing that is going to That is more important is that is going to get a bit worse. It's going to go higher till 14% by 2040 so we should do something to tackle this and not this Okay, and one of the problems that we have is that is creating so much co2 because of This just 20 around 28% of the energy. We are using today is renewable Energy the rest is mainly fossil fuels So this is one of the things we should also focus when we talk about it and just to give you a number of how much How many grams of co2 are liberating when you are Browsing in in one website. It would be around 1.2 and 3.6 grams and When you add up when you add up everything Yeah, so if you take a website that has 100 page views per month, it's going to take like bit most of two tones of co2 every year and That's pretty much the the same co2 is going to take you as an individual doing things so yeah, it has a lot of impact, let's say and Let's go for the more interesting and funny part. That is how we started and I leave you with Nora Hello, thank you for being here. So why we are here how it all started why we decide to make this workshop So come on This is me myself. Okay, if you have been in work in work and portal last year You may know this story, you know, I will going to tell it briefly. So this was the moment. I was Yeah, it's not my best picture But it's the best picture I have for of this moment. So it's okay for me So I was in the queue and I Moment in the session yourself ahead and I'm at more than had at the end of the work and we have Some similar session At the end of the day. So if you want you can make any question you want and maybe Things may happen kind of may happen. Yeah, so I basically make a question because someone Rothia Bolivia told me to do so and In this moment, I wasn't involved in sustainability as I am now So I didn't have the idea at the moment. So I went to Nagwai and I asked him Okay, now why I have a problem I say yes to make a question in front of so many people in front of Yosepa heaven and I'm living what I do Help me so we decided to ask them about sustainability in WordPress as an official way. I mean I Asked if Whirlpool central WordPress in an official way. We're thinking to make something about sustainability and the point was I asked them Literally to make a team if they were thinking about making an official team or a select channel For example, so they say, okay, if you want on a select channel You have it and they created the channel in that moment It was really impressive. So in this same moment people Began to join the channel and so so one year later you we already are 200 people In the channel or more. I don't know because is a yes many more now. So yeah So basically we have spent this whole year Trying to figure out how to make Sustainable work is more sustainable If you have not joined the channel, it's a good moment to To do it. So with we with this workshop. We want to keep Continue answering this this question We want you to help us To answer that what can't we do to make work is sustainable today for continuing the the work we are Making we have been making this year. So Actually, this is part of the story Because about two weeks ago We published a proposal on make WordPress.org saying that We were ready for creating a official team an official sustainability team And we have outlined already what we've done so far. We also outlined a few pillars We would like to focus on And this proposal was submitted and a lot of people have given positive feedback and ask questions about Things we we think about and how we look at certain things and During this conference here in Athens, we had to contribute today. We had a table there as well and At a certain moment, maybe it's better that you tell Nora you are Yeah, I have this wonderful picture and I also have a moment that I left the Table there's a table and just if I hadn't has appeared so I was out because I was bothering at the moment, but My colleagues took the way with her he here. She gave us the green light for for the the team A nice nice deal you're saying because you you started to fire Nora So what's important to stress is that sustainability is quite quite broad in relation to WordPress it's also brought in relation to open source and We have a few pillars to focus on and one thing is that we Would like to to improve the way we gather as a community To see how we can gather more sustainably And what we've done so far is we're writing a document and get a lot of feedback from previous organizers of world camps But also local meetups to see how we can improve and learn from best practices The camps and the meetups we organize in a more sustainable way So that's one one of the things we focus on the second thing is that we said that WordPress needs to be leading on sustainability WordPress is having his 20th anniversary and WordPress is leading. It's the the motor. It's the engine under 40% of the websites which are currently live So that's enormous enormous amount So we're present enormous impact and as a community SSCMS it should become leading on sustainability It's not only the great work that has been done by the performance team already But it's also once you install WordPress score You and start you install a team Maybe you install page builders Maybe you install plugins Maybe you add photos videos, etc. And then well the fire gets started That needs a lot of power to to produce every page load and we should create awareness amongst the users of purpose Developers but also those persons who just start the block about their favorite pet or the favorite animal We should create awareness amongst those people as well That's the second part and the third part is based on the longevity of WordPress. It's social Because it's open source and we have a lot of contributors. How can we engage people to contribute in the coming years? Because we are celebrating our 20th anniversary and we want to celebrate also the 25th And maybe the 40th anniversary of WordPress. So what's needed? I seen from a social perspective to make WordPress sustainable and Fort is the financial the economical part There's a lot of talks about the funding of All the work that's been done by contributors and you want to have continuity in the development of WordPress So that's something that's important as well to stress So we are looking if we speak about the sustainability of WordPress. We have four items to work on Well today, we would like with this Nice group of people in front of me and together with us We would like to brainstorm about those things that come up in your mind that we can put on our roadmap As a team because we are now a formal team an official team to work on in the coming Coming months coming maybe coming years even to go and there We put three three topics on this on these slides first is about the the knowledge about digital sustainability. We are aware of What's going on with regards to your mission and? We would like to share your ideas on this topic Then it's about the way we collaborate and work together and how we meet as a community and Then the third topic. It's about building an CMS that leads on sustainability So what I invite you to do We have this handout over here and I invite you We would like to have a moment of brainstorming together For those three topics and brainstorming means that we work silently and discuss afterwards it looks like Work to do but It's a workshop Yeah, but the idea is since we are few people and nice people here We can keep it casual. So don't be afraid to write down your craziest idea or the funniest one So the idea is just to play and share ideas on these topics We just choose three of them to keep it simple if you have a brilliant idea of some other one you can just Share it as well. So it's just to keep it a bit of a structure but Yeah, feel free Also, if you have any questions, please please feel free to to ask Yeah, is that yeah in a broader sense possible? Yeah, it can be not just how because I mean We can make okay a workshop or a talk. It can be also who we can Talk with or how we can talk with the people because I personally think it's The most Bigger problem we have how we talk with people about sustainability or what we say to people and if you Feel we are making things in a way that can be improved. For example, do you can think about it? how Who and also you have an idea about another? Format so spreading the word could be You know Also, if you know about existing platforms or media that's already doing it, maybe we don't know about it So we're very eager to hear about it Yeah, if you personally feel you you don't find anything sometimes I feel I don't know I don't find something that Would be good to to do Would be great or even a question about I don't know how to do it But I am thinking about about how can we do blah or blah could be also be a good point to to share Hello world I Don't know how many kilobytes are probably not a lot but Yeah, but a lot of active installations and updating things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so if someone feels brave enough to Pitch it to math later, you're free to feel free to do it Really, but you you never know What could happen later? You also have ever made something that we didn't talk ever about So we think it would be a great example to you You need more paper we have but first use the back because we are sustainable people animals It's really impressive to see you right We thought that we were going to Yeah, we didn't mention it. I think some of you already feel the name the name is Absolutely optional. We just want to gather the ideas if you feel comfortable putting your adding your username of work is perfect Yeah, the thing is we are thinking we are going to make a summary put in the channel Maybe make a post so if you want us to to name you after your ideas Please put the name because we will like to but if you don't feel comfortable Putting your name. It's okay too. It's just for you to know that we are We will summarize every every ideas or good ideas we have So for you to know, okay Are you finished? If not, we have just 20 minutes left One more minute if you want that we will begin Yeah, we will begin with the first one Well first topic So then we were going through the next one just in case if you have the first topic here We can Start with it So yeah, if anyone feels like breaking the ice With one idea Ramon is going I'm going for you then then you can pass the mic if you want so it's recorded Okay, so The first question knowledge about digital sustainability What I've written down is a link to wordpress.tv with a brief explanation Brief not a long one In the default WP dashboard. So when you open up WordPress, then there's a link about sustainability a meta box Which goes to WordPress TV with some short Animation Telling you about digital sustainability For media for instance, that's interesting One task we are we want to do is to put under the same tag the sustainability Videos that are already but that could be a good addition to have more also more Yeah, to be more reachable. Yeah, good. I think behind you my idea is Pretty much the same but it involves removing the hella dolly, which I will not repeat again and replacing it With this similar plug-in that will given a notification to the user Once he enters but it will not come again because we all know the thing that too many notifications in WordPress, you know Which will not find them about the sustainability and what he can do to make this Go away for to make this Oh my god, I forgot to speak English. I'm sorry No worries. No nobody here. I think it's native English. So Actually, that's about it small to replace the your make another one like hella dolly Which is small and glowing notify the users about These concerns Well, I had about the same idea, but another solution Maybe it's possible to include something like energy uses of see what they use in the site Diagnose that's that's a part of your regular Control and then some something says that this site uses This money grams of That that part is one that is already ongoing stories are really good idea. Yeah Yeah, we have now three plugins that Do similar stuff? We are deciding which one keep and how to make the language as simple and accessible as possible to Someone that arrives and pops up that information. They really get it and maybe with some link to More info, but yeah, really good Anyone can one teacher So one aspect that I Don't think you've talked about but it's just the amount of CO2 and kind of other resources that are used in The servers that are running WordPress so as opposed to the energy you is used on every page load I feel like there's a lot of It's so easy to spin up a big kind of server to host your tiny WordPress site, which Doesn't it doesn't make right. These are just super simple sites, but they're running on super powerful servers I think there's so much wastage happening there. I don't know how you can It's not as easy to put a metric on that that's in a plug-in but I think raising awareness about that is important because you know like We that will have to go on to shared hosting platforms But that model is a much better use of Resources and so I'm not saying everyone has to do that, but maybe this Are the ways in which you can kind of use server resources more efficiently Then you focus on the difference between managed and private hosting Yeah, so yeah, I spoke. Yeah, so I guess most of the you know if you honor if you honor a big WordPress hosting platform I'm presumed they're doing a lot of Optimization just for economic reasons, but for people that are hosting yes, I suppose I don't actually know It'd be I'd be interested to know Let's say the amount of resources that are wasted there compared to the amount of resources that are wasted on each page load I don't know You know because maybe I don't know if it's maybe is it if it's not if that's insignificant in comparison Then in terms of what you would prioritize. I Guess I'm saying it'd be good to know Which has the biggest impact in order to prioritize it, but I don't know Yeah so I Probably not allowed to say a lot here, but I'll say what I think I can We are very cognizant at WP engine about the complete difference in scale between what we call the farm our customers the computation and resources spent on serving our customers WordPress sites versus What we call the control plan which is what we use to administer and run that infrastructure and Obviously, I mean we have Hundreds of thousands of sites hosted and That completely dwarfs anything that we're looking at and I mean we look at it from a financial perspective, you know the dollar cost of customer hosting versus the dollar cost of the Metta stuff I suppose the the control plan stuff But I mean it's a conversation that we have Whenever we put out a new feature how much is this gonna cost and for a large in general cost correlates very well with Sustainability like as the you know the cheaper it is the less compute resources the less memory resources the less storage We're using less data transfer So I mean it is definitely a conversation I can I cannot imagine that other hosting companies are not having the same conversations Yes, I guess I'm just kind of thinking about those people that are like Okay, you know, I want to spin up my own VPS and it's kind of you know, because somehow there's a Kind of people don't want to be on shared hosting often They want you know their own kind of it feels like I need this is an important website I need my own server here for actually that's so waste is so wasteful to do that Love the conversation, but we would like to try to arrive to the three topics but really good point and we keep it in mind and Shall we move? I don't know if someone has a strong idea for the first one, but maybe if not, we could yeah Okay, go for it Yeah, actually, I noted down like the thing what you were both asking about But I think the very first step we could do and I would love to have like more transparency About where all of the files of the current WordPress repository are stored and how you know Sustainable is this Storage and if we can change that yeah, because if we are the community responsible for that I understand You know automatic as a corporate entity. They do have their own policy But you know as a wordpress.org I think we could have more impact on like, okay Let's choose a better service provider to you know have this co2 input decreased Good point. Thanks. Of course Really good point. Shall we yeah, you have one on the Maybe I'm the only person in the room But I really don't feel and don't believe that my small wordpress website is so important in terms of sustainability So I think as a sustainability team You have a lot of job to do to bring this to every website owner to realize that They don't know that matters Because even if the presentation in the beginning I feel okay charged the GPT is using a lot of power and other AWS and others what you want with my very small blocks or leave it alone So I think if you really want to Bring this topic to every WordPress member. There is a lot of a lot to do So everyone can understand that it's important and even the small piece really matters. Thank you Yeah, thank you so much to this Yeah, shall we yeah, let's me let's move to the collaborator and get it in Sustainability, what do you think about that? For example, I would suggest that we creating work power central when we have the overview of the work comes This will be displayed the distance we are traveling and if you are traveling by car or train or plane How much you to you are consuming going to that work on from your location that could also raise a bit of awareness Yeah, it's it's a very good point because we Many times we don't think about this and it's I think we should ask the sponsors for their help So we don't have so much waste and so much plastic and paper things given that at the end when we arrive home the most of them usually End up in the trash. So perhaps we can ask all the sponsors to move to a Rethink the the swag and the gift to to all the attorneys in a more sustainable way Yeah, great. Thank you as a designer I I I'm looking forward to sponsor to be really creative because I know they need to Ask to remember them bad Maybe in other ways I am looking for them for creating things and looking But they already yes, so thank you. What do you think now this one other way we can? collaborate in and gave it in or What do you think about these topics if you have any because sometimes I think We are asking a sponsor, but maybe people Sometimes once you receive things I don't know if it's our idea about not having many things, but Maybe attendees want to Yeah, I think that in general there needs to be a standard for each meet-up So for example, maybe there should be a criteria or whatever And the event is being organized what has to be done like you know that is a standard And that has to be met when the hosts are chosen for example, so every At every meet-up you would have The same treatment of the garbage of this and that so for example now I I can see that we are not splitting the garbage like you know, this is Burnable, this is not burnable. Maybe there is something to be done on that front too Yeah Yeah As a meet-up organizers It will be great to have a handbook We are working in a handbook for making suggestion for people who don't know what to do for Improving sustainability in their events have ideas But we have we also have to understand it's very difficult sometimes to to have these things like the one you have to say that's a organizer It's just difficult just for having a very new so Yeah, we were working in having some guys so you can have the ideas but without telling people you must Do things because we know it's difficult We are planning to add does that and stress it because in one of them There were three different beans, but it was not publicized enough and the people was not aware of it. So yeah I love I totally agree with you there But I just want to point out that I think that this is really a case of where perfect is the enemy of done or good But like I think that that that the as an example the bins thing matters a lot less for word camp Dublin with a hundred people Whereas word camp you with however many thousand we have here those things matter a lot more. It is an issue of scale And I think also Unfortunately a lot of that is going to come down to the local cooperation like for example if you're having word camp Cape Town Cape Town doesn't have recycling at all, you know, the country doesn't recycle But again, what kept word cam Cape Town would be maybe 200 people tops So maybe I mean I'm all for a handbook I love the idea of sort of like minimum standards, but they can be minimum standards for a small medium large gathering We could do something like that By the way the document if you don't know about it is linked in in our slack channel We in our weekly meeting we talk about it. So it's easy to find okay If you join is going to be easy to collaborate. It's open to everybody to collaborate Maybe I have a remark maybe a question, but I think this topic is very broad and before you know what you're talking about rescue in the planet I was wondering in your question you say digital sustainability In my mind it said let's talk about the wordpress product itself But we're also talking in this very relevant about organizing this this type of events Which I think also should include about sustainability sustainability If that's your focus is this focus of this group to also think about organized events like this Just about the digital sustainability That maybe and I was wondering about that and I wrote it down Maybe it's good to have some kind of definition What what are we talking about? Maybe it's already in your Proposal, I don't know, but I think that's important to to align. What are we talking about? You're right about it. And that's also about creating awareness. It's also about creating awareness about what the team does And we have now the make dot wordpress.org slash sustainability There's a first post and there's also a short definition about The efforts of our team and the topics we will work on. It's not only the Sustainability of the CMS itself, but certainly it's also about baby work and gather and then we have the social and economical parts so it is indeed quite a lot of Content and context to handle. Yeah We are aware of that. Yeah, then I think the framing digital sustainability was already putting my head the wrong way Indeed the idea is of this and the yesterday, you know that the Thursday Contributor day is like everybody's welcome So sustainability is so broad that we can really welcome a lot of people Working in a different areas because there are a lot of things you can do so and for now We are open to to yet to explore every ways. So yeah Good point So on that one more thing. I'm part of the green committee at wp engine And precisely We have had exactly the same discussion and the same We have problems that we might run into here and I think it's important to discuss the sustainability of our group as well And that is I think it's very important that we try hard and fast To get a critical mass of people because if it's uh, I mean uh, they spent the point earlier It's like a family gathering. It can't stay that way. We have to get more people involved And I think that should be the focus to start Because otherwise it's just the same people over and over again Yeah, exactly and and It's great that someone cares, but it's not great that it's the same people over and over again We need to get um, and those people don't have to be heavily involved, but we need to generate the interest Yeah, and and the uh, uh, working you know future Uh talk panel they were talking about a bubble We are we as war press a community are a bubble and we are people interested in sustainability A bubble in a bubble. So I was totally agree with you. It's a point I have thinking about after this panel and yeah We have to think about Yeah, we have like three minutes left. Yeah Do you want to shut up the craziest idea? I I have a small one. Um This year's Drupal con is in lil which is in france on the top And they advertise heavily on their homepage that they're super reachable via train Why not also? Advertise on new wordcams as well The reachability via public transport good point Simply good point and what are you understood from the the panel discussion which was organized this morning is that actually the call from uh, the current, uh, uh, global leads or the lead the lead that organized this wordcamp Edition It's all about uh people joining forces say well our town is the best place to host a future world camp so We call on those people which are Which live in a town easy accessible via public transport and railroad To submit Their town to become a future host of wordcamp Europe Any other crazy ideas? Oh and I have to mute Final call for our select channel. If you have not joined, please join Um, there's a link on make wordpress make dot wordpress.org slash sustainability. There's a link. We gather every friday Um, and you're invited to join Uh, we would be pleased to the coming week weeks. We will discuss but will be put on our roadmap So you can influence what's on our roadmap Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you so much and uh, do enjoy Athens and board game