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Oh Man, I need one Check it man. Hey, man, y'all hear the voice man. Yeah, I'll see you in there man. Pimmy Ken's in the building man Thank you for coming back on boss talk 101. Thank you for having me again man Pimmy Ken man Listen man say man. You one of them guys man. Like I said last time I seen you run man I seen you was on a drink champs. I seen you was on Back on be high and you shouted me out. Yeah, so and he shouted me out no jumper and no jumper I see man. You've been everywhere. Yeah, man I was I was there 85 so so they mentioned my name. You was there. Yeah, you hear me say Pimmy Ken right there Yeah, man, so so I mean Just a little spill on the on the boost to connect just so people can understand what that whole run was about like when you guys took Off and was you know a campaign and it was for the book, right? Okay, so Basically when I do a deal I'm doing doing a deal with a corporation So these corporations have stipulations in the contracts and one of the stipulations the contract is that we must promote and market the book so it's my responsibility to make sure that Boosie is at all these Talk shows and podcasts and you know, whatever, you know promotion and marketing So, you know as as the agent you know under hip hop fraternity literary agency, you know We have to make sure that the artist is on point So my job is to call you guys up as I called everyone up and then Boosie job is to come and do the interview Sometime, you know Boosie he's not gonna do an interview for everybody. Let's take out some money So he might like ain't doing it for the free free, but you know in some way he was Obligated, you know through contractor to those interviews. So I was just there To represent him Simon and Schuster, which is my business partner So anytime, you know, we do a deal with artists or something like that You're probably gonna see me somewhere around because I get the itinerary and then I make the contacts and the books out to the Podcasters, you know, make sure I you know get the communication going man I just I love the the way that you guys vibe as well, you know Boosie being a brother and you being so deeply embedded into hip hop, you know People don't realize how deeply embedded you are in the hip hop game You know, I mean hip hop fraternity was that was something that now you came with but you always been a part of the coach Yeah, yeah, like you always been there like well, you know, I'm at Boosie Everybody 18 I was in the studio to do This name to rail know from trio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we was all at at the studio and Pimp see and I were there And where being Boosie was there and that's when I met Boosie the first time and I never talked to me name of Pimp say That dude gonna be a cold dude and then years later, you know, I met him At in Milwaukee, I believe and he didn't have a jacket on and I had two mink coats I gave him a mean coat. He just reached his pocket gave me a water $100 bills from then we was cool And then when I went to Baton Rouge, I was at the casino gambling. I won like 20 bands. You know, I was just happy I was like, man, I'm gonna call Boosie, you know, I call them I just wanted to tell somebody that was around in that area and the place was like five minutes 10 minutes from his crib So I called him and we met at the gas station. I went to his house I did a song with him and then he went to jail. What was that song? I don't even know man I did like three songs for Boosie. That shit never came Boosie put them Tax we got a man all this game I spent you Ro said that he was down there with him right before they had a remix I think he said the ice cream can't pay job and then he said man I should have got a copy of it cuz they confiscated everything and and took him to jail the next day I say what? You know, I mean, so you you never know when you doing this stuff What's gonna happen? Right? Absolutely, man. I mean, you know You know, we talked about this briefly the most ironic thing that ever happened to me was Pimp C and I had the three million dollar deal with DJ Jones with Universal to do these movies and Pimp was supposed to play me And he just abruptly died. It was like It was appalling. I was like, wow, I was shocked. I said man, this is crazy. I mean, you know And I think, you know, sometimes God, you know, he have plans for us, you know Man have plans for God has plans in God is the best of planners So it must not been in the plans for me and Pimp C that you know, execute that deal So that was some ironic shit that happened, you know, and then you know My god D who was also on the project. He ended up catching the fairs case He went to the fair journey for about five or six years You know, so a lot of people that I was in close proximity with that was doing business with they end up getting caught up You know, so it was like I'm still free. You know, I mean, I would I don't do shit. Anyway, so but Pimp dead Did the in prison both of them gone? You know, and I had all this equipment all this family equipment's not similar how you had we had put it back Then it was kind of really expensive. We had like 30 40,000 dollars worth of equipment I'm just sitting here with this equipment. So I end up giving it to another brother who's dead Maroy Michael Maroy, you know Too real for TV. So I end up giving him it's given to him for a little bit of nothing, you know, but uh, you know life life happens man, you know, I Mean one thing we got to understand is that man, you know, if you live long enough, you know You'll find out as a friend of mine always say if you drop your books, you lose your lessons Wow, you know, that's true. Life is the only university you never graduate from, you know, life I'm sure you suddenly teach you something every day. Mm-hmm. I Man, you know, when you look at the movies, you know, you see, you know, I'm your pusher And you see all these different pimp movies or whatever they got the big Cadillacs and all that did you ever go through those phases when you were playing with them cars and Basically, I'm talking about the older ones. I ain't talking about the new I know y'all the new ones y'all kicked it hard But run me down through there on some of these cuz I you know, it ain't a movie. It's your life So let me know or give me some stuff down, you know, the first car bolt of substance was the 280 vans, okay And I think I was about 20 years old. Yeah, and then my partner man bought a Cadillac, you know, this is back in the when he said bought it You mean you bought it right out Talking like the whole purchase purchase You know Payments back then too many black folks. They know nothing about credit, you know, especially I did I wouldn't even qualify it anyway And I probably had a two a two I would even in the 500s, you know, they gave me some I'm gonna pay them back anyway But anyway, yes, so, you know, that was the first car and then I think I got like a coup A Cadillac coupe. I think it was it was about this is in the 80s. I had to be about a 70 something I don't know 78 79. So I get the coupe and then once I You know, I went to jail for a minute when I got a jail, you know, I got a little old car, you know It was a little truck I was gonna fix it up and everybody was selling dope and they was having money and laughing Nick's ain't driving trucks, man. Hey, I'm supposed to put some 20s on it. They said now, man You can't pass it man. I want to fix the truck up. Hey, I said, I paid about three four times for the truck I'm gonna fix this truck up. So my party had a jacket here to convertible beans. He said man now, man I can't let you do that to yourself. So I see what was going on. I see they was really having money So I got me some real money that I bought me a Cadillac about this. I got a jail I think this was a few years after jealous 93 yeah about a 91 flick would they were bad. They were bad to that was a photo. Yeah It was a blue with gold days had in the gold package on the spokes on it Next Calac about was the flick with about the brand in the year of I Ended up flipping that one about you know, I think it was 93 about the 93 flick were a white and Then I went from that to nothing but business. You just put them on highway didn't you? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah I was in the game. So, you know, you had to go you gotta go state-to-state, right? Yeah I ain't giving you the full story I bought the Turquoise Benz and then I bought the gray 600 Benz and then I just stopped buying foreign from there Maserati Rolls Royce is Bentley's and shit, you know cuz at first the form wasn't what it was First no one yeah, yeah, but I never really did the old school Yeah, yeah, I wasn't really into old schools. I was always I like the new shoes You know the new ones. Yeah, I never wanted, you know, I ain't do the huggy bear I ain't do the goldfish in the shoes. No, no, no, no big stacks and the funny hats You know, I do all that. So I wore money soos Gucci, you know If you look even if you can pimp some holes down that's who that was a Fasachi suit You know, yeah, I was 24 karat gold. I had them custom made a was the suit super self is about three four thousand But the buttons there that should shoot about ten thousand, you know So I was always exclusive, you know, if you look at pimps of hold I see all my minx was custom all my clothes was custom You know, I didn't I didn't want to dress like nobody let me down through down pimps of holes down Just give me the spiel on like the process of them coming to you a business man. Well, uh, you That's exactly what happened I had on some business. So I'm in Chicago and I see these people all these cameras like similar What you got going on and I'm like, no the fuck is this shit, you know, and I'm like, who these niggas man It's the fairies. You know, I'm saying what's happening with this shit, man, you know, I mean I'm asking Bishop and everybody They said that's HBO. So they kept filming me. So I started talking real slick and it do bring on. So man I want I want to business with you. I said, uh, I said who you busy with nice at the business I said, well, we're gonna do business with me come to Milwaukee So I took him over from way for Chicago because I knew I could have new business with them I had to separate him from now. Yeah, in order to do what I want to do. So when he came I took him to my clothing store I asked him for a Substantial amount of money, which he agreed I asked him to end the movie with me Which he agreed I asked for credits in the movie which he agreed and I also asked for You know the movie to be mainly shot, you know where I want to be shot So a lot of the scenes in there, you know, you see the players ball that that's Milwaukee when they walking up to the You know, all the people walking and that's our hometown so it was really to put my city on the map and Get them out there like that. So I began to you know Do a lot of scenes that that bar where I was talking to the girl. That's my daddy's bar. Wow I'm saying so we did in my daddy's bar, you know, and you know, a lot of my friends You know that was in there with a lot of new, you know, I'm saying so we kind of made it to a Milwaukee thing I think it kind of upset a lot of my brothers in Chicago, but I'm from Chicago. So but you know, I'm I'm a Milwaukee dude, you know when you know, you talk about Milwaukee. I am a walkie. Yeah, I'm saying, you know Welfare without even I was in prison. I didn't say I was from Chicago You know, I said from Milwaukee, you know, I go across country. I didn't say I was from Chicago I said from Milwaukee, you know, I always said Milwaukee Milwaukee Milwaukee because I had a Insatiable appetite to put Milwaukee on the map So that's why I wanted to put my city on the map and you know, Chicago had a bishop So, you know, they need no bitch in Milwaukee They need the can I view a pimping can and so that's what I gave them You know, I put over the city and you know about the biggest parties there You know, we had the biggest players from all over the world come to them to the mill just like on the Mac Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, they came to see me. They came to fuck with me You know a lot of players, you know, they knew I was boss up, you know, I'm saying they see me in DC They see me in New York on Levitt Avenue. They see me in DC on M. Street or 7th Street, New York Avenue or any school Van Buen Best in that, you know, you know, wherever it was a track. That's why I got famous at You know, a lot of them dudes, you know, they would come to the town and they were like, we're keying that, you know Because they know I'm pulling the business out. I'm pulling, you know It's gonna be four or five pretty women in the car. You know, I'm saying, you know I'm gonna have my gaiters on my suits on clean being Pymmo. I stayed in Pymmo and I did it in 50 zip codes You did a lot of work Far as I knew PymC was real cool with a two-short Yeah, you and two short. Did y'all ever you have some good run-ins or man me and two short man We hung out when I moved to Atlanta man to short man. I would go by his house all the time You know, we did two songs chase the cat. Okay, we also did the song was my favorite word He's in the movie. I got over there. Peer apology. You know, he's in the movie You know, so I mean it's like man You can't name one person in that era that didn't fuck with pepper can that's why I'm trying to tell these young dudes I'd be like man. I like fuck with everybody like I'm on these dudes album I mean, you know, that's how these young people say no cap. Yeah, no cap You know, so, you know, that's what a lot of people don't really know about me They don't know how entrenched I am in hip-hop and so when I say hip-hop fraternity a lot of people think it's more on some You know some wave or some new bed or some new trend type stuff. No, man I'm really the hip-hop fraternity. You can't name. I mean Nellie you name Oh, but I just want to ask you about two short like when y'all, you know, because him and him and Pym, They had songs together, but you and him work together on different occasions like what did you think about him when he first came out? You know when you cuz he came out early on Like the freaking tails because you had heard about it thought he was a pimp Got that feel too. Yeah, I thought he was a pimp and I used to be riding this to my car. I said, isn't it a pimp? Yeah, you know somebody pimp I'm too sure I said kind of foggy and you could if you could feel Music be everything is on point man, you know, so I love to meet some two shirts So I go down Atlanta to the freak nigga 95 and I see our cast I see Jermaine Jupri all of them in 112. Okay, and it just walking around. I said, I can't believe this shit I said damn, you know, I'm I'm from Milwaukee. So, you know, I'm saying Celebrity on TV. I think they have a hundred security guys with them and these is like mega stars to us But they was just walking around. So I had a little money back then. So I bought like, you know, 10 15 bottles of Moat That's what's the drinker. Yeah back then Moat or either Dying period. So I bought all the bottles up and I invite too short all of them over there to drink with us and stuff All the rappers it was in the VIP section, you know, I did that before you meet you did it So me did it but I did I even know what I was doing. I just bought some bottles You know I'm sick. I had so much money And I was trying to you know, just you know be impressive. So we bought the bottles and you know next day and I know I did a party in Milwaukee and It was a real big part as a player's ball. Actually the huge brothers came to the party. That's all it That's all it was the American Pimp party. Okay, so to show we're scheduled to come Unfortunately, you know, he wouldn't able to make it man. So I was really upset with too short about that I was really mad. I said man. Damn man huge brothers. It's a big moment for me You know I'm saying so his manager sent me the 5g's back because it was 10g's from just to make appearance He was really expensive back there. So he sent me the 5g's back But I was still mad cuz you know I promote everybody and you know I was trying to be on my name and I was like man Fuck me up man. You don't believe that. I'm 100. They thought I was capping. Yeah They thought I was capping so I signed. So we go to somewhere in Atlanta. We're 112 and good game. Okay. Yeah good game. Him and him and good game real cool So he said man that was too short. I don't want to talk to that man too short man. I'm upset. I said man that man you upset me I could have been a budget buddy man. I was I was so he Killed to kill this shit, you know I'm saying and I let this shit be gone by God's be by God's and We became the best of friends he would come and get me at the hotel pick me up take me to the house We ride around and just kick pimpin all day Wow, and he was like going to studio. I'm like, what you want me to say? I go there I talk you know Sammy didn't man and man had so many bad bitches You know, man, you go to sure house man, especially the one he had and give a force, you know It was in the same place where I think Scarface had a house over there I think the preacher so dollar had the big old house. Yeah, yeah, but the CD on it You know, there's a lot of celebrities lived over there So we go over there and too short, you know He just have so many bitches and Dungeon family would be the Dungeon family all the more job man You go to sure how you might see anybody gonna see somebody else significance And that was one of the things that you know that that was cool And you know, he was my man, you know, I'm saying he always Had me, you know to do something on the album. I think I might have maybe four or five intros I think I made two albums for each one of my albums. So millions of records. So, you know, thanks to two short man I was gonna ask you about you said the bottle popping Big meeting him you ever run into them in of them clubs because I was part of the same time big Meach and I were cool way before the hip hop. I mean not skinny the BMF thing even popped out He had a little bitty BMF chain, you know, he wouldn't even doing it like how people was thought he was doing it But what was so unique about big meeting I stole this thing big me to buy all the bottles and all the liquor And he would you know, get his name popping, you know, and it just kept on going man Next thing I know I pulled up one day to Magic City. He got the big boy phantom out there, you know, they got the Drop what's those things with BMWs, you know And now they pull up in Lamborghinis and now, you know, they got 40,000 ones on the table And so a friend of mine named big silk He's a big time pimp out of Atlanta, you know formal pimp. He's preaching them You know, he gave his life over the guy him and I was in the lobby of in the entrance of one Magic City and Big Meach asked me and So to join I looked at sir I say hey, I just got the fans a few years ago, man. I enjoy this shit I said, I'm not doing this shit, man. I I see so many crews especially from his town from Detroit to Pony boys I was in jail with all the niggas man Bush Lewis all the mix I was in there with them niggas man You know send me so I seen how the fairs, you know locked all them up, right? And then so, you know, I wouldn't with it, you know, I'm saying like that on that level And then you know big meet you know, I said man, you know, I say I said man That shit going to the M. A. You know, you gotta just live your life and then you know, I sold them two pimp cups You know, yeah, the pimp cuts for Debbie, you know, you know, meet, you know, he gave me four thousand dollars for two cups I mean, it was just like he just reached we was at a Justin sitting down eating and the little ballhead dude I forget his name, but I know it's from he's one of these meet right right here man Wasn't Jbo the little dude. Damn. I can't think of a name, but he gave me four thousand and he said I said, well Give me we won't take him to me. He said just bring him back to Justin's I bought the Justin's and I sat him up there and I said this for Big Meach You know, I mean he was just a baller. You know, I'm saying and the last time I seen Big Meach we was in Miami and He said something similar what he said, I think he knew he was going down He said something to the fact that uh, yeah, man, they got to get it while you live We got a little how you get it, you know, I'm saying he said, you know, whatever happened happened At that time I heard they was getting hot and that the fairs might be on the case. So, you know, I You know, I seen the finals they had all this stuff and they moved to Miami next thing I know I seen I'm watching you the internet in the news He's he got it died it But you know one thing I liked about Big Meach, you know He took he took a plea to save his niggas, you know from how to you know, stand before a judge You know I'm saying and I think that that's a boss move You know I'm saying me that the fact that he was willing to go to prison just to keep putting y'all on the stand You know so I'm a plea so y'all have to y'all don't have to stand up and I think that's what uh, you know Pretty much reason was save The BMF and why it's still successful today and why they got the BMF special Because he made a pro move. He was just a smart dude. Yeah me big me spy knew he was gonna take a cop You know I'm saying because he just knew he he knew what he was doing He knew the consequences of his behavior and I personally heard him say that out of his mouth, you know, I'm saying Oh, yeah, I know another time I tell this to everybody get mad at me cuckoo cow And uh, and we all went to it was a it's a it's a hotel I think it was called a so e or something like it was right next to uh Linux mall, okay, you know, it was called something else So big means you had a private party and we went to the party And when we got to the party it was weed in there So big me said all the weeds you can take they give you signals when you come in there So, you know, I don't tip, you know, I'm saying I put my signals in my pocket And I grab some weed and put some weed in my pocket and cuckoo cow My bad cash ball they laughed at me. I said man, I don't smoke So I'm gonna get this to my folks. I say I don't Tip something keep my money. You know what I mean? You know, that's just what that's just how they do He just you know, everybody know, I'm not lying anybody listen to this, you know If they was there at the party they had stacks of bills and all type of women dancing, you know But they don't they don't excite me. So that wasn't my party, you know, I was just You know coming with somewhere and then uh, they gave you the weed was just In the jar big-ass boat all I mean he was a player man real player We was at uh, what's that club called over there on uh, p street It used to be next to the car where they changed it. I don't know what it's called but uh We was in there and uh Gz big meet y'all I was in there, man I'm dude's head like a hundred bottles or nothing but chris style Why she was like four five hundred a bottle back then it wasn't tripping man. Them boys was Man, you ain't never seen nothing like that before man. I mean, you know since that my brother was with me one time And they was tipping and my brother and uh cash ball cash ball He wanted the ballers out of our city, you know, I'm saying he was getting a lot of money But I I never seen him be shocked. He looking at He looking at me slight damn He said man these motherfuckers got some money, you know, he never seen it But he's seen that my brother marvin. He was there. He seemed it. Yeah shout out to marvel. Yeah We got the hhf awards coming. Uh, I want to nominate you too for the war it's called the apop fraternity awards. It's uh, april 15th and the pre awards were ugly money right there now On shout out to other money april 18th 15 april 15. Yeah, we're gonna nominate y'all for uh, uh award And we're gonna nominate, you know, uh, carlos miller. I need to get a drop from you too Carlos did his drop dc did his drop Chico bean just dropped. I need to drop from you. She had all other podcasts and we're gonna see who win Man, I supposed to win that screen. I'm the underdog. I'm going to win that thing We're gonna get how this new uh, I ain't gonna say we're gonna get you. We're gonna nominate you new podcast that come out independent Where is this gonna be? It's gonna be in Atlanta, judge But put it down so I'll be there if you if you go on youtube and see the last year. It was really really big, you know Pastor choy was there. I remember he was supposed to be here that time. We were trying to get him here But he's you had that to do so you had to go you had forgotten about it and you had to do that Yeah, that was that's that was really big It was like the bt awards and that's what we do at the hip hop fraternity You know, we try to encourage young black men In particular, you know to be self-sufficient and independent, you know Practice autonomy because you know, a lot of people say they're independent but independent mean you own something You know mean and I think that that's why you know, we so successful. We own our own radio station We own our own award show. We own our own social media. We own our own magazine, you know own clothing line our hhf Publishing, you know hhf Like a literary agency, you know, we 100 independent, you know, we got lawyers We got accountants. We got all that stuff on our team. We got 4 000 members and we're in 25 cities So, you know, I encourage all people if you're not a member of the hip hop fraternity join the hip hop fraternity at the hip hop fraternity.com If you're looking to open up a chapter, you can reach me You can reach me directly through my instagram DM me a real pimpkin underscore and I would definitely oblige Man, I want to ask you about uh, something that uh here happen here recently Uh, and I don't know if you know him, but you me and you we met we mean you were down in Memphis together Uh, we actually was in tune with Mississippi, but you got to go through Memphis to get over that little hall But um, um Gangsta boo, you know and and r.i.p. The gangsta boo, but did you ever have any dealings with with her? Man, did I had dealers with her? That was my home girl Okay, if you look at the movie I gave you the ghetto streets exactly in part two That's gangsta boo at the party. She had all my party. She went to my party at pure She went to my party at uh, what was it park central park? Whatever the club is it's so many years and you know Gangsta boo was like kin. I didn't know you had to jump in like this So we had a party right and you know my city loved me So when I throw a party like we had to call a fire monster because it was like a concert Yeah, the club only hold like a thousand people but it was like 20,000 people It was people all along the streets and uh gangsta boo and and uh, uh, what's his name bumby and What's the boy named from Mississippi? David Banner David Bell. All of them was there, you know, so we promoted it Just as the pivenkin party but people came because it was a concert and gangsta boo And all of us did the next party we did was with the brat and gangsta boo So all of them come to my party all came for free, you know, it's just everybody Showed me love man, you know gangsta boo was one of those individuals that showed me the most love You know I'm saying me matter of fact Shout out to up my home girl smoky her and uh gangsta boo it came together man They was just coming, you know to show me some love And uh, you know she was uh She was a good person man. I think I talked to her Maybe about two years ago. Somehow we ended up on the phone together I don't know if she was around somebody and they said pivenkin She said that's my homeboy, but uh, you know, she came to all my parties She's in the movie the ghetto streets is echo street, uh the cd2. So, you know, I mean we yeah, we got Well, yeah, I mean then we was in Atlanta. We used to be together all the time too You know because she came down here in Atlanta and she she came down to Atlanta And uh, we hung out a lot, you know Smoky all us, you know, Atlanta was small community all the rappers, you know, we just hung out together But that was my home girl, man, you know Did they'll find out how she It's people say drugs some people we these is all legit, you know Everybody say fitting all on everything that happened now. So even big skull R. P to him too who died three weeks before she died Like this is this this stuff is ripping through our communities, man If that's be the case because I don't you know, I don't really mess around with them But I just hate to see it but It's a different world than where we come from But you know, that's why I don't do drugs man because I don't want a negative my biggest fear is to give me some bad drugs That's what I be saying. You know what I mean? So if I wanted to do some cocaine Or I wanted to shoot some cocaine or shoot some heroin And it's got some crazy stuff and I can die That's right. These guys are not chemists, you know, I'm saying they don't understand how chemistry works So, you know, you putting your hands in someone who don't have the skill set to actually administer drugs, you know And uh, I think that a lot of our young people man, you know, they got a lot of trauma You know post traumatic stress disorder and they just try to escape, you know And people go through some your mental illness is real. It's a lot of mental illness in our community You know, if an army man go to Iraq or he go to say Afghanistan or somewhere where they have more at He come back. He needs some type of special treatment. They got to give him counseling What about the brothers and sisters that, you know, seeing these people get ripped with these, uh Dracoals and these, uh, these hunting rounds every day, you know, I mean guns is popping and I heard every day So it was it was good for the goose is good for the gather So it's got to be going on in our community as well if it's going on overseas in war So, you know, we in a war zone, you know, some of the guns that our young people got today is just crazy So I think a easy escape is drugs. So I think a lot of our young people they use drugs, you know, to escape and you know, a lot of people say weed is a A gateway to a lot of other drugs, you know, sometimes we just don't do it Yeah, yeah, and people got to go to that next level And when you get to the point where weed is no longer good and you go to the next level, then I think that's when you Imperial I think and I think that's what happened, you know, when a lot of you know, especially celebrities, I mean if you go back In celebrity dome, you know, Michael Michael Jackson, what was that purple fall? Yeah, uh, you know, a Prince he alleged, you know, Elvis Presley Yeah, you know, uh, man the list go on man. Just drug overdose after drug overdose because it's a lot of burden You know, and then you know me being a celebrity You know People want to say Kim. Why are you always selling DVDs? Why are you always in the hood? Because they keep me saying, you know, I'm saying if I had to go by being pimp and kin And I had to meet that standard of pimp and kin Then that would be a hard bar to reach because you ain't gonna always be pimp and kin Uh 50 cent told me something. We was at the uh, pampy video We was in the back because you know a bishop and snoop now was over there I was in a pimp. So I mean, uh 50 cents, uh dressing room And he told me I said, yeah, yeah, man, I said, you know, I said that book, uh pimp obviously killed him He looked at me, you know, a 50 cent look he said kin He said you only get one time to be that nigga You know what I mean? Then he got to figure out something to be a nigga Something else to be a nigga in again. So what he was saying is like, you know, even with the get Richard dying trying I guess he was saying I'm only one I'm only 50 cent one time. I can never relive get Richard dying trying I can never relive pimps up or holds down You know what I'm saying me? But a lot of people try to relive those moments and they try to Stay in that zone and what happens is that zone no longer exists and the individual end up going crazy or end up Looking for escapes. Yeah, you know I'm saying sometimes drugs is the best escape code For people because it takes you out of your moment for now But once the drugs go down, you got to go you got to revamp you got to do it again And you got to read up your high So, you know, I'm saying that's why I stay that's why you're always gonna see me selling DVDs You're always gonna see me walking around normal. You're gonna always see me talking to bumps I'm see I I'm always pull over if I got some dollars Give them some bombs some money because that's how I stay sane And that's why everybody else is going crazy and having overdosed and I'm still here No, and I agree with that because when you look people They can't handle like a lot of times like even a character the arach actors well, whether it was uh What was that boy named Arnold? And uh, what was his real name? Gary Coleman? That uh, them guys were in willis and uh, the girl that was on there They couldn't never and even even jj like they couldn't never get Past those characters because it was so big. Yeah, they they kind of overshadowed their their their person But pimps up holds out had a billion views same thing It could have did the same thing I'm just showing you how you were able to move on and maneuver and other people get get stopped I'm giving people the remedy still go to Walmart. You know, go go to Target You know what I'm saying me go go to your cousin house go sit down with your kin folks You know, I mean that's gonna keep you from tripping You know, I mean and start seeing shit and hearing voices because that's what happens, you know what I'm saying So that's how I stay humble, you know and people laugh, you know that some people laugh They say man nigga still selling DVDs don't nobody have DVDs I don't care if they have DVDs when they don't buy the DVDs and say man buying like it's a Jordan man Put it on the shelf like it's a collector's item. You know what I'm saying? I said, I'm excited for you. We're gonna take a picture man I know you ain't got no DVD player, but that's all right. Little homie, you know, I'm saying, you know Talk shit, they laugh and they go in the pocket and give me $20. That's hard And sometimes, you know, people be like man, I ain't gonna buy that shit. I'm just gonna give you a donation I say no nation like a donation Let me ask you something man like When you think about just the way that that that when you look at The rappers like like takeoff gets killed, you know late night. It's uh, uh, it's a Some say dies game and legend all this is the legend hanging out late at night drinking everybody kicking it Which that's what we do. We done it um And then somebody of this magnitude because anybody can die But to see a guy on that level who they say never dealt Dead nothing didn't talk to people just to get caught up in situation like that. What when you heard about that What did you think? Well, you know, this is nothing to do with takeoff or nothing to do with the Last people but but when you gamble I used to gamble all the time That should come with the territory. You know what I mean? You know when you when people lose their money And you know you got players on the set, you know what I'm saying me and people they you know Don't respect the game. They might say something and you know she can pop off You know what I mean? Or if you win a nigga money, you know what I'm saying? Nigga might say yeah, man. Nigga won my money. I'm gonna take this shit back He called his homeboys and somebody get killed and robbed, you know, that's just part of you know In takeoff it was a very unfortunate situation, but it happens every day in the hood Yeah, you know, we're just looking at the takeoff situation, but that's that's scenario scenario It happens all the time, but you know, it's it's tragic that you know that it happened, but you know I mean god don't make no mistakes man. You know, I'm saying me, you know sometime man in every Every lesson there's a blessing, you know, I'm saying me so I mean a lot of brothers and sisters that's out there That's famous. They're gonna learn something from this, you know, I'm saying and they're gonna be educated like I said You know, if you drop it, you know like like like Tina always say if you drop your books, you lose your lessons You know what I mean? So if you drop your books, you lose less. So this is another one of life lessons And you know It's it's tragic because now It opened up another can of worms. We don't know what the retaliation gonna be You know, we don't know how the people on that side gonna feel and we don't know how the people on the other side Gonna be like, yeah, well, you know bring it on, you know So it just perpetuate, you know a cycle of violence that is perpetuated in the african man community And I think a lot of young people have the propensity for violence and they don't want to acclimate themselves to something positive That would change the narrative that's creating the situation in our in our ghettos in there and throughout our communities You know, so me personally, you know, I I try to pretty much Institute and inoculate and you know pretty much Gavinize the young people with the hip-hop fraternity, you know something that's constructive And I can probably say that the hip-hop fraternity have a two and a half years of no violence Okay So when you okay here's the deal when you when you look at and we got to get these pimp stories You know got to get these pimp stories. Yeah, we always you know, I'm he just had a birthday So with him just having a birthday, you know, I'm saying, you know, I had uh, I had mr. Lee on here I had a bobo on here. I had uh, he's a Leo on here I brought all them boys over here, man, and we just had a good time. You know, I mean talking about pimp, you know And man, let me bring valentino up in here. He got to come over here and sit down He he's getting ready But but you know, when you think about like like to be real like pimp birthday, it came up and go back into that Um, um, I always get a pimp story, you know from you every time you come over here, but I was talking about and these people man, everybody have the same Uh, the same thing going man. What's up, baby? Man, how you doing man? Look out man. Look out. Come on set out man. All right, but man, uh, we had a good time man. You've been watching the show Yeah, I've been watching You gotta talk right into that mic Yeah, yeah, you're gonna put it on that make us feel like we all together But really man, it's good to see you man. That's good to be man. Listen, man I've been proud of what I've been hearing about you. I appreciate you know, I listen to the streets You know me So I was like, man, you're doing a good thing man Open up opportunity for people when I see and and say this valentino man Let me stop right now, man Let me pay homage to this guy right here man Who've been holding it down in the city for a long time see this when the real one starts stepping up Y'all know I've been around a lot of people don't even know they'd be like, man. Who is that dude, man? The real one's gonna be like that's he But but the ones who don't they gonna be like, man, I don't know man. So Just to be on with thank you for coming on the show. I appreciate the opportunity man But you want to break him down or you want you want because you don't want nobody being this everything Yeah, because I don't know Your name before He tells me stories, but I don't know who you are So and I'm sure some of our viewers don't So I'd like to know about you born and raised in dallas. No Memphis, Tennessee. I knew that I knew really so But you've been in dallas for a very long time 21 years 20. Oh, that's 21 years. Okay. So what moved you to dallas? Really, um, it wasn't uh A choice was more about force. Um Got caught up on a situation. Um on the highway back in, um 99 leaving new allons, uh got caught up, you know dealing in, uh Just knew what the city of Memphis was about. Mm-hmm When I got it when I when I was released. I just didn't go home Yeah, I stayed here in dallas because you probably got caught up right back into the same Of course me. I didn't go home. Definitely. Uh, uh, Memphis is a rough city. It's been rough and it's getting rougher But you know, uh, but I know maybe like six people here in dallas, Texas and um But I just knew being here, um, the population, you know, was a lot Way bigger than Memphis. Yeah, because you could have went to Atlanta Yeah, uh, uh, but dallas what I like about dallas opposed to a lot of other cities. Um diversity. Yeah, um the One thing I like about this city The people and the politicians in the city of dallas, they believe in investing back into the city So it creates opportunity. Yeah So, uh, opportunities, um, definitely present themselves Being here in dallas, Texas at the time. I didn't know that but but um You know, um, it uh, eventually it, um, worked out. How old were you when you when that happened? About 20 some I'm 53 now. Oh, okay So about 30 some 30s. Yeah, my 30s. Yeah, you're holding the mummy dust, man He look young. It ain't how old you is. It's like I'm holding the king, Texas. I know So Just be real, man when I like like when I met you and everything I always seen you We was always it'd be a big tea or something And or we'd be out at a night scene or whatever me and my boy, man I'm always gonna speak to him show him homage. Just like I see you. I'm always a man Like like it's just a respect thing, man, you know, especially when you older like like us You know, I'm saying we done seen a lot of nights out there I was just talking to him about takeoff situation and gambling and hanging out late at night And when I was talking to him, he was just, you know, just talk We just talking about the fact of how things can go out there when you gambling that whole spirit It's a different aura, man. And it could go any way You know, I lose us. Yeah People don't like to see you take their money. Yeah. Well one thing about my take on this like You have to understand the value of accessibility. Yeah, you know, so as you grow in value You have to protect your assets, you know, uh, um Like I remember God when he was getting 1500 a show, he's getting a like 125 a show now So people that had access to him, they don't have the same access right and people might think you're being funny But you know, you as you grow you grow in value. So people don't have the same access and As you as you can see God, he started to hang around people that made him better So when you hang around people that makes you a better individual, then you start seeing a better version of yourselves Some people don't want to leave the hood, you know, some people I always want to embrace the hood Where they came from, you know, and um, they always want to show What it is that they've gotten out the game to the people in the hood But like tupac said a long time, you know, people pour their rob you man. Yeah, you know, uh, and it and it's Don't be personal. It's just uh another means to survive if it's an opportunity that they're gonna take They're gonna take the advantage of uh, you know, put themselves in it's always the people We know every time a person get robbed set up It's somebody that they know Wow Man when I see you you bring back memories, man I started thinking about nilly and everything just all the stuff that you done been involved in Now, you know, I'm saying like I know because I know the history because I follow you because at the end of the day I'm proud, you know what I'm saying or what any accomplishments that a brother that look like me Get done, you know what I'm saying? So when I see you when I think about Nelly they just had him in the news where they were saying They were saying it was like he was on something or something because he was performing and he kind of tweaked out a little bit You don't never know man with every I'm gonna tell you something and that y'all might think I'm tripping because I'm going somewhere totally different We did the other week. I don't know what it was. It seemed like some was in the air You weren't in Texas But it seemed like people get I had a head a headache and it was like a cold And I called a lot of people that had the same thing, bro. That's night. I did And a cold, you know, I'm saying and I don't know if people sending something out in the air, bro I don't know what it is, but it's a little different than when I was younger. You know being 57 years old You start thinking back like damn. We didn't have this problem back then. That's true. You don't think the same way No, no, no, I told it for you. You know, even the food is different exactly like back then We when we ate watermelon we had seeds. Yeah, now genetically modified, you know, but people we're not We we're so oblivious to what's going on. It's like it's subliminal. It's right in our face But we don't pay no attention to it. You know to start to impact us, you know, so even we Back then today it had seeds, but now since the the rappers has pushed this Narrative about no no seeds, you know, so you don't get the benefits that you once got Yeah, you when you hit it. They used to pop. Yeah, y'all don't know about that. Yeah Now okay, it's gonna use to pop You We one time man, well, maybe twice and uh One time I was with I know I know I know my my folks now back there. They go remember so I spoke to we At uh, you know, I was with my lady friends, you know, my workers right and uh, they said hit the weed daddy said hit the weed My heart So I went into the hospital and I guess the house They said what's wrong with you? I said I smoked weed It ain't the nurse's time laughing at me, man And I was my baby I had to be about 30 in the first time I smoked weed I was a young kid and my partner JD who I been fucking with for 50 years or 40 years for show Uh, he he he smoked the weed. So he told me to smoke weed So we spoke weed and I went home I could could we did outside and then we had bikes. So I went inside the house And I went in there. I'm listening to the water and I put my head in the water the water get all over my head And I was I said mama, I'm bleeding He's I'm a beat the shit out of you Take your ass in your room. What you what you been doing, right? And I I was so embarrassed, man I said I'd never do that because you know, I was just listening to the water Everything comes crystal clear. No, I put my head in the water, uh, miss Jamaica and the water was on my face I thought it was blood I didn't even look at the head. I was too high, man And and and uh, I never those the only two incidents that I was smoked weed Yeah, I never but the most embarrassing part was the smoke weed in front of your girls Who you supposed to be in charge of who you supposed to be the son of one And I went to the hospital and it's crazy though. It's funny thing too After I went to the hospital, man, the nurse that one of the nurses that ended up, uh, taking care of me She was laughing at me and she ended up getting down with me. It's crazy So, you know, uh, uh, you know, I I ain't go I ain't gonna never say the pilt guy I just say gerard, right? So I said gerard that hooked me up, man with this whole And I just flipped it. I said, oh boy, I think you're going to hell, man It was just crazy stuff like that, man, you know, I mean, you know But that that that's precluded me from doing and I don't drink neither because I can't drink I'm an Indian and my grandmother, I think she, uh, 80% Indian So I'm Indian when I drink, I want to fight You know, I want to fight. I'm like, you know, if you look at me crazy I think you you try to challenge me, you know So my daddy was the same way my daddy had a lot of fights So I'm no I'm drug-free. I call free by default. Me too. Hey, so I got both of y'all in here I'm going back into my pimp phase pimp see That last I choose you I seen you in video. Y'all both was in there Y'all got talking to me about that day now that I got both of y'all here So I can tell you somebody telling the truth around here So how was how was it just that day and and and everything? I know that was it was at the last time that you seen pimp like in Yeah, that was the last time So just uh, let's just run me down through there on how that day was because that would be, you know It was a fun field day man. We had a ball man. Ken. We went to the mall. We shopped Everybody knew us, you know, um because I have people in LA. Yeah, so we allowed one of the guys We know to um get us, you know together for the video. It was just a fun field day. Uh, one nobody, um, Only star, you know, uh, you know plateau everybody's just being you know, um, cool cordial Pimp was a good dude, man. Real good dude. Uh This might take a pimp Pimp had a good heart, you know, I'm saying real good heart sometimes He would say some things But he would like take it to the extreme But I think once he got somewhere and allowed his better nature to surface He'll think about what he said then he won't make, you know, to make the men's right, you know But uh pimp was a good dude never showed me nothing different. I was introduced to him through ken Yeah, so that was a good opportunity. How many takes wasn't at that table that day? Y'all when y'all was at that table doing that? It was a few wasn't a one day I take because He had to meet him. He was like, man, y'all hurry up. It's hot in here Yeah, but but like I say, uh It was just uh, it wasn't the director, uh, brian barber. Um, he he directed. He did a good job directing that video and uh But we was allowed to be ourselves man, you know, uh, you know, we didn't feel no type of way, you know, um Using our own skin, you know, and nobody was thinking that that would be the last video So pimp called me and he said say man get the guys together. So You know, me and me and valentino we we we've been to LA plenty of times like he said, you know doing different things So first person came my mind was valentino But we had to you know call bishop and then get all that because it wouldn't have been right without them Right, you know what I'm saying? So we got all of them there and uh, you know The thing that I didn't know is that outcast was going to be there. You didn't know that no So when I seen the outcast, I'm like, man, this is big This is so at this time. It was the hottest group in the world You know, and that's that was the the shocking part to me the pmc The the valentino the all the players In chip of six body all them I see them all the time, you know, I'm saying me but To see uh, and david bannon was there as well. I see him all the time. But to see Outcast there was amazing. It was star sir. It has t pain was there t pain was there. Yeah, you was there He was a preacher. No, he was the chorus guy. He was in the uh Oh He was the choir director. Yeah. Yeah, yeah that like I said that that and that thing did it did numbers and got Grammys and all kind of stuff. I think that thing is uh I think we had my I know I get I get publishing from it's a lot of millions, you know, really? Yeah, they said it's a double cd thing. There's some millions And uh, man was crazy number one Got a war for that the bt awards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I seen we did. Oh, yeah Shout out to cord mo out of houston. Yeah. Yeah, cord mo. I talked to him big Yeah, yeah, big Uh-huh Like you guys man to see like like like I said to see the run like you you've been from memphis Uh triple six mafia man I always asked and I and and nobody couldn't tell me the other day because I was the I asked I think I did ask I asked the mr. Lean him the other day like how did pimp? You know in project pad and all them people Get so knitted because they you could tell pimp had a relationship with them. They music They vibe together think about it. Right that's sipping on some scissors and all that stuff It just seemed like he connected with those. Hey, I was in discussion What uh three of my artists murder man cash In a h2o, you know what I'm saying me that they you know, they part of hip hop return I was in the conversation with them and we was actually saying question about you know the music of memphis and What we said is that you know memphis got a They got a quick wit quick wit you know what I'm saying they very Like old school, you know like they it seemed like you know the old school players Gave them cliches that that they and you hear you know it in uh money bag mute money bag uh Your music you hear them finesse two times like you know, we say it like what you said and I remember like uh Like a murder man was saying you know he's saying uh, he said yeah, man You know when he said man, it's cool when they do it. It's a problem We do he said we've been saying that a long time in the south, you know what I mean, but you know I guess what they say is cool when they do it. It's cool when niggas up east do it You know niggas if you're doing what's the problem? We do it, you know, and that's what they refer to You know I'm saying me and pimp used to say yeah, man. We don't drive He said we don't we don't we don't whip something but he said we got uh A book we don't we don't do book packs. We uh whip graze and drag catalogue. Yeah, you know So it's just that country slang that I think that makes that music so powerful because because when we was pimping Back in the day it was they it was the way they taught in the gold teeth They used to make us laugh in the jerry curl. Yeah, because you know the miffin jerry curl Yeah, miffin's doing used to wear jerry curls gold teeth and talk really funny But they was but everything they say was mother with you know, I mean, so they some You know, it's a lot of I would say folklore passed on to the children Even though you got people this to this day. They still had that wise crack that wisdom You hear the wisdom in the music and I think that that's why a lot of people are gravitating to the miffic song because it's so It's not just, you know drill or it's not, you know trap is You know, I mean, uh, wasn't they uh finesse two time if you listen to him over a course of a period time He said a lot of smart things a lot of intelligent things whether you want to Regarded it not but he popped off. He popped off. I I didn't see it coming and I heard once I start researching it I seen the the before I mean gutter tv came on here He was telling me that he was in the party where where I think it was 28 people got shot nobody died and Finesse two time he ended up going to prison and then To see him come home and to see the success that he's been able to capture I didn't see none of this coming. He's talented. He got it though. He got it. He's been having it That's what I'm saying. You know that yeah because you from Memphis I mean maybe you tapped in but I'm telling you when I start research. I didn't know nothing about it But then when I look I'm like this nigga bad me neither, man You didn't either. We know what he got me talking you talking Hey, but he you know, you know, he he the one that really put me on Memphis that we'll be in What was that place used to be at that the white dude from, um, Mississippi had a little strip club Uh, it was it's go. It's over there by Ecstasy you're going out. Uh, uh, it's not black orchid. What a black orchid it was. It might have been something like that But the diamond of something queen of king of diamond queen of diamond king of diamond So, uh, I was in there and and uh, every time, uh, to do money bag yo a rap Valentino would quote his songs. He'd be like, you know I mean, you know, he he kind of got me on the Memphis rap, you know, I'm saying because he said it You know, I know he's a player. I said, you know, he's a he's a boss. You know, he's a businessman Now I might have to say, you know, he from the streets. I said, you know, I you know, I said It's amazing to see somebody like Valentino It got to be something to it. So I said I thought that's when I stopped paying more attention to rap And he like he cold he cold he would you know, then he said He said I'm gonna do a rap too, kid. I'm cold I One day we was at half shell of Memphis and uh, Zach ran off and I'm here, which they are the CEOs of endless Okay bags signed to okay. They call me burry. Memphis. Okay, like burry take, um, the cd out the south new artist money bag, you know and um they said take it back to Dallas and uh brought it back and Which I didn't judge it But when I once I put it in the um the cd player I was I was taking you know, and I knew I was gonna push it, you know, uh came here and um Got it in the clubs got it on the radio stations, you know, uh, uh, really people was liking it, man You know, it's hard. Yeah, but you know, I got a song with uh What's the name mjg, you know, I'm saying uh a ball the movie that I got they in my movie So I always you know, I always was dealing with the Memphis scene You know, I talked to a ball. That was my partner's mj. I you know when I was in Memphis I think uh mjg had a studio on the mark You know what I'm saying? He isn't it was crazy. I was like I thought because you know Rap I thought everybody had millions of dollars, you know, so it was like in the house. It was like it was weird You know, so he's been coming to the studio. So I think we've been I love it and you know, that's what made me respect uh mjg man, you know, he he would call me man We be talking all night. So I've been down with the Memphis scene, but I don't know the new guys I met them through valentino valentino like man I'm proud of you to see how the Memphis the whole move because it's peaking right now Right, like when you think of the south Memphis, you know From even when push ice, he was out like they was killing the game. They still killing the game Uh, you know, man even dolphin his the whole thing that that whole movement What do you what do you what did you ever see that coming? Well, it's a lot of talent out of Memphis. We go all the way back to uh Uh endo and blunt. It's always been talented. Uh in in Memphis, you know, but not like now I guess so much if they're built up one thing about I think I just think that everything is a process Every city has its turn new york. They had they turn. Yeah, houston. You know, I remember houston You couldn't touch houston man that tipping on fold folding all that was out in swiss Well, you had swiss house. You had uh rap a lot and you you just had uh And uh, what's the mother boy's name that project? wreck shop, right? Yeah, all of them are bubbling at the same time big most of everybody has the everybody has the air Oh, wow, you know, uh, uh, uh, but I think with Memphis and alana, they maybe four to six hours from each other So so that's a base and uh, like I said, once you build relationships And you understand the politics of the game, you know, it's kind of like, you know, it's like riding a bike Man, once you you get it, you got it. And then, you know, people got an eye for that talent You know, go ahead. I'm sorry. I want to say something about Memphis, right Yeah, a lot of people didn't peep it. I was telling him about that. Uh, we was on the phone We was about three or four o'clock in morning talking about I said, man, you know what I said what god he did He gave uh, the boy money bag. Yo that cash He changed the narrative. Yeah, but he do that every time. I just see bag do his new artist But but listen, listen, listen, listen, you know, I hadn't had a lot of money. You had a lot of money We know we don't never touch the money. There's always numbers on the screen. Yeah, you know what I mean? A lot of deals I do I'm doing it on the screen. I'm doing it with a credit card I'm doing it through a transaction to actually put the money on the table I think that that's when he was able to really get the attention of the world And then, you know, he did it with black youngster. He did it with gorilla And, you know, I think I was telling him to me. Yes, he is Yeah, it is tg and uh, uh, big big boogie. So I say gati to me exemplify the new ceo of hip hop And I said, no disrespect to jay-z now, but the way gati doing it It's the best way to approach the music game because now you got young people They see in the actual money and it's not just numbers on the screen I think when you put the numbers on the screen, you know, I mean for most young black men I think you confuse the situation You know, but when they can actually see the capital money and the jury right there And I seen him uh early on when he did that with slow bucks I'm friends with slow bug them uh with uh Them guys man and I seen him count 300,000 on the internet with with them boys in new york That's how you do and I see them just counting money Just playing and and I see now I can't lie. I seen bird man do that early on too Like right these boys was doing this. It's what they did But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he did he did use to be a bird man But what I'm saying is that gati is successful because of that Yeah, you know what I'm saying that that you know a lot of artists say I'm independent You know I'm saying a lot of artists won't sign with an actual ceo That's a rapper But I think what gati did he put his money with a mock fist and I think they changed the narrative Because I remember a lot of guys wouldn't take that money, but that's 750,000 But then you got to remember that's not just 750,000. He also got production too. He got marketing So he they really get way more than 750. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because he this is just for your pocket Right, you know, and I think that that jury jury and then you see the the uh the guy uh, uh, uh they signed A finesse two times when he came out. He did the same thing Yeah, he put the money up and he put the jury up and I think that you know, that's the new wave Of being approached to the industry. Yeah, no, I think I know it is so I don't know like I said, my main thing is is basically man when you look at like New the new era when we in the day when you look at Entrepreneurship being a business owner, you know, I'm saying being a having a hhf Being a business owner, you know, these things are things that that we seen early on when we was when we was young I go back to the young days when it was still black's kind of stayed to theyself. Y'all don't remember that Yeah, we had a the barbershop across street But we had bubble laying store up the street and it had like a few snack cakes and stuff But we stayed to ourself when I was a kid three four five years old You know what I mean? I think now with the way the internet is it kind of pushes us back to a place where We have the opportunity to be able to be who we need to be to our people I really think that Yeah, but we didn't have that in the middle. It was yeah, we didn't have that in the middle If you really think about it, we didn't have that we were going to everybody else They call this new black media. So that's what mr. Serve on told me I was doing I was doing some research on it because I I'm like I'm gonna do my podcast. I told you about that Yeah, yeah, yeah me and martina, you know, y'all might have seen on white under white belly. That's a kidney red Yeah, yeah, so me and her we're doing a podcast called few for the game And I was just studying podcast and they said this is the new black media. They said but A lot of the white media is really really upset because they can't get a grip of it And they didn't expect black media to be so powerful But what it was it was that you know when you have a supremacist mentality Or you have a mentality that you feel someone else's inferior Then you stifle your growth because they could have been successful. Y'all could have been doing this A bt could have been doing this mtv could have been doing this But they coming on the lay show and now that y'all doing it, you know independently now y'all don't need the money now gilly Now turn it down millions millions millions and uh, you know It's just crazy because you know black media is the media for all people because you you say I tell people all the time I said when you look at uh Drink chefs doing 12 million. Those are not all black folks So, you know, even white people love black media. So black media is is the way for the future And hip hop I think caused that power as well Being that because of the way the way it was already in those crevices And then to see us be able to step to the side with something like this that they didn't see coming You know what I mean, but at the end of the day is here now Like you look up everywhere now some people There's don't take off like others But everybody's getting in there. I want to see so many people do it because like I say again you hip to this No, we're gonna talk about it. And this uh, let me see. This is a spot five style grill. Me and him talking about you Trying to get me over there. Yes, man. That food is so good. He didn't have it He didn't have a restaurant when we we talked to him at big tea. I saw he had you had to I had it for a year. So you didn't did he have he that was that was over a year ago Now he was building and talking about two years to because he had to take the bottom No, no, he got his own spot in the south. Yeah, uh, that's a nice spot Five grill me you going over there five star grill five star grill breakfast and lunch. No dinner Oh, we have dinner food. We have steaks. We have every time you open and close We open at 10 in the morning on weekdays and we close at 12 midnight and on weekends We close on fries. We close at 3 a.m. And serves we close at tonight. We're closing at 4 a.m. So we're wow. Wow Coming over there Sandara We have a nice crowd. We always have to call the parking. What is that? It's 33 30 elsey fat higgins The parking is humongous. It's okay. Just want to make sure that's a big parking. Oh, okay. Yeah, man That's all that's good because most of us after after our spots don't have good clothing store And they're too a bit closer about five About four times the size of this really level fashion And he got a soul food around the corner man of soul food I already knew you was over there. Which ones matter the soul food or the soul food opens up in two weeks So I had this small organization a human x's investor. It's an investment company Why can't you go online and see it human x's dot net? So what we did is week for like collectively we Come together quite a few of us. So I have another business partner So for an instance say like if we wanted to do a daycare Yeah, so while you're doing radio while she's sitting close while he's doing his things And we create a dick daycare if the day care is like 20,000 We put up 4,000 apiece. So now we've created another stream of income. That's right. So why that's why that's so why that's going on And you're still doing what you're doing So we find another opportunity to open up another business business Then we all collectively collectively invest into that business. So now It's like we have four or five different streams of income coming in And um, you know, we our kids, you know, we create generation wealth for our kids I love the thing I hate about um Stuff like that because I hate partnerships right because um, unless they're silent partners We're not going to input there into anything then i'm good. I show My whole organization to um, miss joyce. Uh, William. She's um director small business development Everybody likes it because we have rules that govern us and with our organization You're on a three month probation period and it's not for everybody. You can't be involved in nothing illegal You can't be a part of nothing that's negative to be a part of our organization You know, so we take our time and and definitely like vent and screen the people who are allowed to be a part of our organizations But I understand when you say partnership But anything in life that's ever been done if it was done successfully it was done at a collective effort You've got to have so so you are just investing into someone else's business. You're not putting these are our businesses It is your business. Okay. Yeah. No, it's no one So the thing about is like if we Go in and invest into a daycare. So now we share the expenses. We share the bills and we share the The ideas of how to run this business how to get it exactly. So then we all You know, uh, every month we get a check from that. Do you all ever disagree? I mean people agree to disagree, but I mean it's not hard because Daycares are all structured already, you know, um, they're governed by law. So, uh, yeah But I mean, I just think that um, typically us we have a tendency to want to um, have this entitlement, you know, so that's why Everybody that that's a part of our organization. They are already like realtors, you know, they have their own money So like I say and they're already business people. Yes It's hard man. I like it because listen man, you got a gift in you man God just basically I already seen a long time ago. You can tell man. I just started my record label too Dang! How many things are you doing? It's called the Star Entertainment Man! Yeah That's nice man The Star Entertainment The Star You all said Alcock? A part of the Hip-Hop Entertainment We got to get him over there the Hip-Hop Entertainment Yeah That's hard man E, I'm trying to get a, uh, bartender to open up a chapter up here How are you gonna do it? Yeah, you got Star Entertainment You might as well, yeah, H.h.l H.h.l? Yeah, he's H.h.l He's all the way, he born into it, all of them. That's all, we all part of the hip, the fraternity of hip hop. We all love the community of hip hop. So as you told me about it, I was all the way in because for you to try to bring some people, brothers together and still give them a, you know, you still independent, but we just coming together, that's so hard, man. My wife and sister, my partnership, my mom and y'all say, you still my daddy. Yeah, nigga, we a partnership. He said, we ain't no partnership. He said, how you think we all these goddamn kids? So none of us, man, they used to be arguing and they could, my mom used to have her money over here, my daddy, but they were, my mom was like, put the money with, my daddy love the gaffers. We want to take it. You don't want to see what's going on. Yeah, you don't want to fuck the money up. My mom said, we a partnership. He was like, you know, it just, you know what she said. My mom said, yeah, it took two of us to make the kid, that was a partnership. So she said, they had the kids without the partnership. That's real. So we might have a partnership in real life. So, you know, partnerships is good, you know, but, you know, I mean, you know, that's to each's reach. I got to ask you about, I had Julia Bell on here. Oh, Julia. Yeah, I had Julia on here and I, the book, like I said, I was looking at the book, but I was looking at something and you, Pimkin not in that book, but I know you on film with Pimp and everything else and have hung with him or whatever. I didn't, I was trying to figure out how did, how you weren't in it to be honest. I saw the interview, I think that's when you asked about, uh, the tape, right? That's Julia from Ozone? Huh? Yes. That's Julia from Ozone? Yeah, yeah, Julia Beverly. Okay. She was on here. She came through, man. She showed up. You want me to speak on that? Yeah, I was just trying to understand how you end up getting, how you wasn't in the book. You know what I mean? Well, you know, the only reason would be, would be politics because Julia Beverly and PMC, if you look at the best of both worlds, is at my house. She's playing basketball. That's the white girl playing basketball in the movie, you know, and, you know, PMC all of them, they in my, That's at your house. Yeah, they in my Kaziba, you know, and they smoking weed. You know, I ain't saying Julia was smoking weed. They drinking or something, you know, she didn't ate at my table. You know, uh, you know, I'm in Ozone magazine. You in Ozone? Yeah, me and PMC, I bought, I paid personally, I paid her personally for the advertisement. You know, so, uh, it's this ironic man that she didn't put me in there, but I mean to say that she don't know me would be, you know, a blatant lie. You know what I'm saying? She know me and she know, she could at least say I was at Pimp Kenhouse with PMC. I'm not mad because, you know, the first time I ever heard this was with you. And I talked to Julia Beverly. I even tried to do some business with her, with the Boosie book. You know what I'm saying? Really? You know, the authors, you know, because she had inquired to do a lot of journalism. And, uh, yeah, she, and so Simon Schuster asked me, uh, to reach out to her, you know, so I reached out to her, but you know, we couldn't come up with a decent price. So I don't have no issues with Julia. I just found it, you know, kind of strange, you know, as you, because I wouldn't think about it, but not that you say it. It's kind of strange that I wasn't in there because me and Julia Beverly have been in many situations together. I mean, many situations. How do you think I got her to my house? You know, she ain't just came to my house. You know, nobody's just coming to my house. You know, so she's at my house, actually playing basketball on my basketball court. You know, she's actually at the hotel with PMC. You know what I mean? She's at that. I come pick her and PMC up at the hotel to take them to my house. You know, uh, so it was, it was kind of strange. And you know, it's funny to me in the European community, a lot of European brothers and sisters who, uh, ascribe to hip hop, they have a propensity to think that they have some type of, uh, you know, ownership in our culture that they can sometimes, you know, just counsel us out, like in the case of Vlad TV. You know, he knew Vlad knew that I, you know, knew Boosie. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's been many instances where I remember that episode. Boosie house. So, you know, so when I think about, you know, some of these people, I'll say our European brothers and sisters, you know, I think once they get in our culture and we accept them, I think they get a little bit dismissive and I think they get a little, you know, have that entitlement. Yeah, entitlement. And beside themselves is what I would like to say. Yeah. And I think for Julie Beverly to write a book and not include Pippa Kenyon in her book, either she's not a cognizant of the culture and she just doing it as an opportunist or, you know, she may have some underlining issues that I don't know nothing about, you know, because I personally never had any, like I said, I gave her money to, you know, I advertised, you know what I'm saying, to advertise with her and I gave her money. Being at that magazine. And I went to her war show. You was there? Yeah. Did you go? No, but she was at the, she was at the funeral, a pimp funeral. Yeah, she was at the funeral. Yeah, all that. She was at the funeral as well? I don't remember seeing her, but yeah, I believe she was there. She was there. Wow. You know, it's just, like I said, this pimp, and look, I'm a big pimp fan as y'all already know if you watch this show. And just the things that come, because he just had that birthday, the things that be coming, you know, basically with the storylines, you know, of how things transpire with pimp, man. A lot of people say they were going to make a lot of money if he stayed living. Everybody say, so everybody was dealing with pimp and seemed like he was dealing with a lot of different individuals. When I say that, he's a Leo, Mr. Lee, Bobo, you, everybody's saying the same thing. Like, we was working with pimp, man, and things were about to happen, you know? Yeah, well, you know, she said something in the interview about some stories as what? What'd she say about? About, well, I had asked about the sex tape. And she said what? And she was basically saying that some of the stuff is, some stuff is not... Incredible. Incredible. It was something like that. Well, you know, that's what I said. You know, that's what a lot of our European brothers and sisters, man, they need to back up, you know, when it comes to our culture. That's why the hip-hop fraternity is taking such a forceful, you know, approach towards, you know, getting our culture back. Because, you know, for her to say that something's incredible, which is insinuating that, you know, maybe my message was incredible. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I can even talk about other things. You know, I don't even want to talk about, you know, the hotel room, you know, when, you know, people in my hometown, you know, and people supposed to be professional, but they're doing things that they shouldn't be doing. You know what I mean? Wow. You know, so, you talk about, you know, certain things that are incredible, but if I was to be credible, and if I was to quote some of the things that I heard from, you know, Pimp C. Mouth, you know, personally about, you know, certain individuals, certain people, and have people that wouldn't... I got actual footage, you know, of Pimp, you know, with Jazzy Faye and everybody in the room with Pimp talking about, you know, certain individuals who he don't fuck with. You know, we had to tell Pimp, you know, man, you know, man, Pimp, chill out, you know what I'm saying? But I'm very credible. I was there in a lot of instances, you know what I'm saying? Me, did you think I'm lying? Just look at the Maroy, go to Maroy and look at me and Pimp in the studio. You know, White Cliff, what's his name? White Cliff, what's his name? White Cliff John. White Cliff John. White Cliff John. You know, he hates you. Yeah, yeah. Ask White Cliff, how many... We were all staying in the same hotel, you know, White Cliff, my man, me, him, and Pimp C. You know, I was there in the studio, the studio where we made two type of bitches with the L.A. Man, that was a haul. So, you know what I'm saying? You know, I mean credible. Who more credible than the dude that was with him when he was down? Who's the only person that's going to see him in prison? You know what I'm saying? You know, listen to the best of both worlds. I was there to go see him when he was in the county jail. You know what I'm saying? I tried to go see him in prison. He told me, no. You heard what he said. He said, I told Keene, don't subject yourself. This is all on tape. So, you know, I'm not credible. If that's what she insinuated, that's impossible to say. I'm not credible. You know, I was there, you know, when nobody went there, when there were no groups, no nothing, no names, no record labels, nothing. We were sitting there. You know, I got a tape. Go look it. It's on the Internet. It's called Boss Pimp with Chick Boss, John Doe, and Four Five. I think the guy there at Four Five. And the song is Fucking With Your Diamonds on. That's when Pimp was at his low point. I was there. You know what I'm saying? I've been there for all five years. I was up to the UGK album. So, for somebody to say I'm not credible, show me accreditation compared to what I just showed you. You know, give me your point. Only time I seen you and Pimp together, I was coming out the hotel room together. That's the only time I seen her and Pimp together and at my house. You know what I'm saying? So, it ain't like, you know, you was with Pimp every day. You might have called him and whatever, you know, and so on and so forth. But, you know, I was there at the mall. I can tell you what happened when he went to jail. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Yeah, I was there when he told me to get out. He said, kid, we in trouble. You know what I'm saying? You talking about when he went to jail, I was there. I was there. And I went to the county jail. I was at the mall. I was at the mall. And I went to the county jail to visit him. You know what I'm saying? Two days later. You know what I'm saying? You was at the mall with him. Girls had... Bobo told that story by Pimp and told him that girls had tried to get fly with him. Now, he thought she was going to the person to get a pistol and Pimp did whatever he did. Yeah. And so, you know, I think he had a little pack or something on him or whatever in that situation. I guess he got caught up. But, I went this way. He went that way. You know what I'm saying? I did not know you was there that day. Not a bit of an issue about that. Not only was there, you know what I'm saying? Anybody that knows that club, I forget the name of the club, that his mama lived right across the street from, you know, when he had the gold, the gold with the cars, the Chevy's called. He had a gold one, just like the one in the black when everybody drives. The Chevy with the little deer or something on it. I don't know too much about the car. The Chevy with the deer on it, man. Wait a minute. I'm trying to think. I know I'm old and I love them cars. No, you know they got the little circle thing and it's got a little something and I'm a little Chevy is the one. Yeah. You talking about that, the thunderbird, is it the thunderbird? That's the Chevy. That's the Apollo. That's the Apollo. That's the Apollo. That's the Apollo. That's the Apollo. Yeah. Well, how do you know? How the hell do you know? Wait a minute, we got to stop the show. No, it's not the show. You know about the Apollo's, man. Don't worry about that. I'm going to get to the bottom. No, he said the Apollo. She wrote it about the one. You grow about them in the Apollo? You worry about it. Wow. 20 years of marriage when it comes to a squeeze in the hall, you know. So I met his mama house. I know his mama personally. So you know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody more credited with Pimp than me, you know? She was a sweet lady. She was a sweet lady. You knew Mama West? Yeah, yeah. How did you know her? I did a show in Memphis with Pimp. And one of the promoters there in Memphis, he did a show the next day at the same venue. He brought Boots there. Yeah. So what he did, he tried to divide the crowd. Okay. So Mama West, she called me. She said, son, I appreciate you. She said, you didn't cry. You didn't bitch. You didn't bail out. You gave Pimp all his money. And she said, we're gonna do another show for you. You know what I'm saying? She said, don't work because I lost on the show. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? When he just came home, yeah. So you promoted the shows in Memphis for him. So you been doing that? Yeah. I mean, I've been doing a lot of promotion, yeah. I didn't even know. Yeah, Mama West, she was real sweet. Man. You gonna look at the video when Pimp C first come out of jail. I was there. I'm saying this because, you talking about at the Walls unit? No, when he was in the Bentley and he had the stripy shirt on. Okay. That's me with the red suit on. So what I want Julie Beverly to do, you know what I'm saying? What I like for Jeb to do for me is to do a part two of the book. Yeah. And include me in it. And I gave her enough accreditation on me that I'm not credible to let her know. Y'all laughing at me. But she don't validate you. You know? No, but I call her to help with the booze. But your platform is so much bigger than others. I call her to help the booze. I was gonna get her $100,000. So you know what I'm saying? I wish people in the industry treat me like can't treat them. You know what I'm saying? So when you had caller to do that, she didn't answer or she didn't reply to you? Well, what happened was, okay, the first person was, she called me, we talked, it was an issue with the money and her, I guess she would say her credibility. So Simon Schuster was like, how many books she done? And you know, they wanted to know. I said, well, she did the PMC book. You know what I'm saying? I think she know about the culture. She's been around the culture. So I was really pushing for her to get it because I wanted her to do it. You know, I was looking at the PMC and you know, cause you know, I'm a businessman, right? You know, my first approach to business is, you know, what works good for the person I'm doing business with. I never take a personal approach to business, right? So you would never see me tripping when it comes to business. So I just thought she would be a good look for the culture and everything else. You know, but you know, like I said, I want her to do a part two, PMC part two and add me in the book because I just gave y'all a lit me of all the opportunities in all the times me and Pimp been together. You know what I'm saying? So I should have been in the PMC book and you know, if she don't do a book, I'm gonna write my own book and I ain't gonna put her in the book. No man, but you know what, I'm gonna be real. I think a movie, a movie is next. A short film or something on the film or something because of all of the different people, man. Cause I wonder who got, I didn't see one person say, man, come like, I ready to come and he say, man, don't just say Pimp for Texas. Like I was like, I ain't saying that. They get defensive, man. Like a lot of people love his, his whole, you know, what he did, what he stood for in the South, man. Even the fact of when he went off on, on the Atlanta, the situation in Atlanta, when we call the radio station, I know you told him not to do it, but I'm just saying that's a part of history now. You know, a lot of times we don't wanna acknowledge the fact, but like Rick James, I just had a, I'm saying that Rick James find his eye on here. But the last thing I remember about Rick James on BET was I'm Rick James. That's the last thing I remember. Am I right? Yeah. And it sends volumes. Now I ain't saying that on Pimp cause Pimp has so much more going on, but I'm just saying these are things that stick out. That's all I'm saying. Well, you know, a movie, a movie right with Pimp C, I don't know how we would get that done. Maybe if we did a movie about something else and had a Pimp C character, you know what I'm saying? I don't, cause you know, I think it's so much going on with this state and so many people claiming, you know, rights to certain things that it may be a difficulty. It just, it will be live though. You know what I mean? Same thing. I gotta ask you about, uh, gangsta boo. And what just happened with that? I'd already asked Pimp and Ken. I'm asking you though, Valentino, like being from Memphis, seeing, you know, what's happening with everybody. Everybody say this, they say that, but to lose a legend like that. For me, she was a, she was big for the women. For you, you know, she was one of the first ones. You know, people don't really think about that. But early on, it was tough to be a female artist, man. You know what I mean? So just give me a spiel on, on just what she meant to the gang. Man, boo was a big icon. But boo was so down to earth. You know, she messed with everybody. You know, and one thing I can say about boo, who she dealt with, she dealt with. You know, she was true to them. She never appeared to be more than what she was. You know, she had people in Vegas. That was from Memphis. It's like who you saw boo with, that's who you saw boo with. You know, Memphis Black, you know, Curtis, just a lot of people, you know, that she dealt with. She always dealt with them. And, you know, she never switched up, you know. Yeah, she stayed true to it. Stay true. Like, you know, like the celebrity can get to some people and they become this, it amplifies their character in a way to where it becomes distasteful sometimes. This, I see this in a lot of people. I've met a lot of people like this. That's why I know I can speak on this. Everybody not approachable. Let me switch it around from the gang perspective, right? We had, it's like me and Valentino, we used to the Rolls Royce's. We used to buy the new cars. We used to the jury. So before we came, a star or so to speak, before we came, known in public, we was already known in the streets. So that never affected us. You know, like we would see celebrities and, you know, people would run up, you know, and try to get autographed. We didn't do that. You know, the celebrities would run up to us and get an autograph. I know, this was hard. It was the flip script. So the gang kinda took over, you know, when 50 Cent first see me, he's like, hey, you know, Pimp, what's up? You know, Nelly, you know what I'm saying? I'm sitting in, I guess, I can't forget that. I can't, man, everybody know that bar over there on Tempton, PCC, I can't remember that. I think it was the shock bar or whatever. But I'm in there. So Nelly's sitting right here and I'm right here. And Nelly, you know what I'm saying? At this time, I sold 10 million records. He looked over and my guy, I don't remember his name, he from Minnesota, my guy from Minnesota, he gonna be mad cause I don't remember his name but he bought a couple of balls of champagne. And so he said, man, get Nelly in her bottle. So I reached over there, I gave him a bottle and Nelly looked at me, he said, Pimp again? And it was like, everybody, you know, was looking at us, you know, like we was the shit. You know what I'm saying? But we didn't know we was the shit. We were just out there doing our thing. You know, and I guess it may be because of Pimp's uphold now and I ain't gonna lie on these niggas, you know, these niggas, they listening. So I'm, you know, these niggas are all happy to see us. Same thing with Bishop Don Juan, same thing with Valentino. Every time I go with him, Gotti, all them big jerk, they love it. They love it, you know what I'm saying? And he got that same effect. We got an effect on the people that's rapping about because in some way they believe they rapping about our lives. So, you know, we never got over excited or over zealous about being a celebrity. You know what I'm saying? And he always tell me, can't, you can do this, can't, you can do this, can't, can't, can't. And I'm like, man, I ain't got time for that shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna be normal. I just wanna go to Big T, sell me some DVDs, go to XCC, sell some DVDs, go to Jackson, pull up on my man, Gino. You know what I'm saying? We mess with my guys from the Goon Squad, you know, and sell them some DVDs, go to Atlanta, go on the East Side, go to Milwaukee, go to where we go to Playmakers and 14th Street, and I'm cool. Where are you at? I'm cool. I don't wanna be like this. You know what I'm saying? Even though I have the biggest organization in HIPPA, I got 4,000 members, 25 chapters, all my members will tell you, I'm just saying, they can't believe it, you know. You know who else can't have that type of effect on people who are double D? Yeah, double D, yeah, double D was like that? Oh, yeah. They loved them. They loved them. They see it, when they see it? Yeah, they loved them. They will start what they doing, try to acknowledge it, man. Like how did you end up first meeting Nellie though? Nellie? I don't know him like that. I met him through Keen, I met him through a social. Keen, I would tell you. Never locked in like that. Never locked in, but you just like, you just like see, you see, and that's what it's all about, man, building relationship. It's some kind of way this dude right here, like I said, he had this effect on people. They're like when we first came, when the people's out there in the parking lot, they go excited, they go excited, man. Because all of the work that you put in too though, right? You know where I really got the old man in prison, right, named Mr. Black, I can remember his name. Wow. I remember him in prison, but I can't remember. Ain't there the way it go? I can't remember the dudes that's out in the streets. But that's weird, institutionalized. But anyway, anyway, Mr. Black told me, he said, man, you got that it factor. Cause when I used to be in prison, I was a little skinny-nigger black. I mean, I was a skinny-nigger, but everybody respected me and loved me in the joint. I mess with the D.C. dude. Everybody. Milwaukee, the Chicago Coup, you know, everybody, you know. So I go in the yard, man, everybody's showing me love. So that's I think why I first got that spirit. I think it's a spirit, you know what I mean? And that's like I said, you know, too short of all them people, I go to their house, man, it's a spirit. And people trust me instant, instant. You know, I haven't been to his crib, you know what I'm saying? People trust me, people trust me immediately. Man. All my friends, a big out at Peach Cobbler, and he also got the club, VVS and the U-bar millionaire. You know what I'm saying? All my friends, I can just go down the line. They're all millionaires, you know, they're all rich. And, you know, they all welcome me to their crib. They never expect me to be that dude that's gonna, you know, set them up and none like that. I just had that spirit my entire life. You know what I'm saying? And it was before the celebrity though. You know, even like when I used to be in Milwaukee, you know, all the bosses, you know, Jim Danny, the coldest dude ever in Milwaukee. When I say the coldest dude ever, he's the coldest dude ever as far as gambling and playing. He's the top five player. At 14 years old, this old man took me in. Wow. Took me in and raised me until he died. He died about two years ago. He was 87. Wow. Called me on the phone, talked to me, schooled me, gave me gang, you know, all the pimps, you know, Rob Robinson, you know, Tommy Dixon, you know, all the major pimps in the city. They all love me. You know, everybody would, you know, one of our coldest hustler ever, you know, he kind of like on some Valentino's side, Penitentiary Sam. Yeah. OG. Love me, man. I went to the fairs and some, when I got in the fairs, these dudes, they was the most, I'm a Mona, it's crazy, right? So when I go in there, you know, they had the phone situation in the fairs in MCI, MCI, Chicago. So I'm in MCI, Chicago, but I got a Penitentiary, man. That guy just got out. I ain't, I ain't, what I was saying about, I just got a Green Bay was a real Penitentiary. So I'm ready to throw him, you know, I got Penitentiary mentality, right? So I'm thinking, I feel whoop this dude. I didn't know all of us together. And even Penitentiary Sam was with him. So Penitentiary Sam put me to the side. He said, man, they finish thank you. I said, shame me for what? All I told the niggas, like, man, you know, was this a phone dispute? You know, it wouldn't even know major stuff. I wouldn't know this. They still want to do it. Yeah. So the dude named Ross Bay, who was the leader, who was the grand sheet, he pulled me to the side and we got to chop it up. And he heard me spit, you know, cause I was a little fly dude, you know, I was spitting right up. I had no vocab, I was just straight street shit. I'm talking a lot of street shit. He turned out to be a street dude. So he liked me. He said, man, this is my little partner. You know what I'm saying? So he asked me to come to a meeting. He started teaching me about the moral science, step on everything, you know, and that's how I got hooked up with him. And, you know, let's say in my life, you know, Sam, you know, all through the penitentiary, he showed me all the tricks and trades of the game. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I just always had that. You know what I mean? It was never just the celebrities, but whoever was the top tier in any game. Oh, well, there was street celebrities, you know, like Valentino, you know what I'm saying? Me and him, we talked to each other like fish tech to a water. You know what I'm saying? We automatically hit off. You know, his cousin, Double D, made rest in peace. We automatically hit off. You know, all his partners, Goldie MacDowell, Burroughs, you know, it's just so many on Christ's skinny. All of them, we automatically hit off. You know what I'm saying? So I had a good love and relationship in the streets. All the top dudes in the streets was the same. So when I went to the entertainment side, it was the same way. So it's got to be my character because I can't see, you know, I ain't got no magic wand and nothing to say. Hey, you like me, 56. You like me, Nelly, you know what I'm saying? So they just, everybody just, man, you know, even to this day, you know what I'm saying? You know, all the podcasters, you know, like- They love you, yeah. Y'all love me and respect you, you know what I'm saying? And tell me, your platform, you open any day? I need to ask you, what do you think about checking in when people go to different cities? That's something that I've been asking people about. Like, you see different people, they go to cities, they check in. They with certain groups of people, you know, whether it be in Cali, whether it be in Houston, whether it be wherever, this check in thing where they just come to the city and both of y'all can get a chance to answer this. No, I need to hear this, you know, I need to hear what y'all take is on it. I think for the majority of the black people, their ego be their worst amigo, you know? If things are already established in a city, you know, and if you mess with these people, why not check in? Hey, I'm here, you know? What do you have to lose? You know, some people internalize that as a form of weakness, you know, but I don't see a problem with it. You know, I guess it's how the individual choose to internalize what checking in is. You know, me, my thing is like, what are the results of not checking in? You gonna hurt me? You know, so I think that aspect of it is crazy, you know, because if you gonna hurt me because I don't check in, that means you don't love me. You know, you don't have no respect for me. But if there are people that I deal with, now I guess you can say, if you say, well, if I'm checking in, I'm letting you know I'm here, but I mean, what you saying, I have to pay you or something like that? That's extortion. Yeah, that's something totally different. But you know, hey, yeah, I mean, but I think this is what I think. I think the people who are street stars, and they haven't elevated to that platform where they're major stars, and they have a relationship with those people that has that type of platform, they just wanna feel connected, you know? And I don't think there's nothing wrong with that, man. You know, people wanna say, hey, I know Pimp and Ken. They wanna say, I know God, you know what I'm saying? So I guess it's all about how the individual choose to internalize what checking in is. But me, I don't have a problem getting on the phone and say, hey, I'm on my way. I got a partner in Big Mo, he lives in LA. This is my partner. He comes down here. When he come here, I look out for him. Correct. I go up there, but I got... Even if you go to Atlanta, you're gonna tap in with Ken. I look Ken, but like I said, I got Pimp out there, you know what I'm saying? So I don't have a problem with... I think the problem is the word within itself, check in, you know what I'm saying? That is what it is. And if you say, hey, when you get to the city, hit me up or look me up. You know, but when you say check in, I think that's the word that's more the issue. You know what I'm saying? So they feel like it's taking something from them as a man. But no, I don't have no problem reaching out or letting somebody know, hey, I mean, I won't let them know I'm in the city, you know? I don't know. What do you think about it? The word come from the penitentiary. So, you know, when you come in the penitentiary, if you're a G.D., a vice lord, a crippled blow, you got to check in, you know, and let people know what's at you on. So I think some of the people on the streets have used that word in the penitentiary vernacular, but like what he say, when I come in, I check in with him, that's how I'm here today, I check in. So I don't have no problem with checking in because that's the only safety that I have. You know, I say, Valentino, I'm in the city and if something happened and somebody was to, you know, accidentally have an accident or I got shot, you know, he gon' get on the phone, he gon' call my people, ain't man, I need a Ken mama number, man. Yeah. Yeah, man, I heard something bad happen to Ken, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, checking in, let pretty much let the people know, and I do it in every city, you know? Even when I get to Atlanta, I check in with the people that I know are there, and even though I live there, you know what I'm saying? So checking in is a good thing, but I think where it came from, you know, for me being in the little town, it came in comfort in the penitentiary, it's a penitentiary, you gotta check. Even like when I went to Memphis, right, and I was in the Shelby County, I just got out the fast, you know, I had a state hold on me, probation hold, and it was like, then got in Chicago, like he was calling for the GDs, he said, man, you gotta check in. Check in also, I mean, check them shoes in, check them glasses in, check that, you know, if you come in, cause like, you know, that's why they don't let niggas wear gym shoes. Back then, they used to let, like you got some new Georgia back then, that's when they first came out, the blue ones and the black and white one, red one, if you wore them, you had to check them in. If you had glasses, they'd make you check in, you know what I mean? So that's what checking in mean. So that's why a lot of people, you know, when they hear the word, it's a negative connotation, because, you know, it's definitely a penitentiary word. I've been hearing it for years all the time. Like, you know, you've been in town, right? You know, that's why you laugh, you know? Cause at the end of the day, I think a lot of times people take the word, you hit it on the knock. I know what's going on. I'm basically, when I go to a city, the people I rock with, I'm gonna call them anyway. It's just the way they saying it. You know, I'm gonna call them cause I'm just, I wanna see them a lot of times. So we should change it in call in. Right, exactly. You know, us, we as black people, man, we can make each other feel so bad about simple things. Man. You know? And I just think that when you see that, that's something that you have to get away from. So if you had a brand new Rolls Royce, you know, how long would you wanna keep that car? A brand new Rolls Royce? Maybe about a year? A year. Okay, so why not lease it? You know, but people will make you feel bad cause you're leasing the car opposed to buying the car. You know? So people, they'll ask you, if people see you with a brand new Rolls Royce, they'll be like, what year is it? Doesn't matter. You know, they're not proud of you, you know? Are you buying it? Doesn't matter. You know, but if you buy that car, man, you're gonna have to pay the maintenance and everything that comes along with that. People will make you feel bad about things, about your accomplishments, you know? So you just kind of be, you gotta be cautious about the people that you align your circle, man, especially when people are always down to you. What you saying? Happy begin. Valentino, man, listen, man. Thank you guys for coming on the show, man. Y'all, man, listen, man, I ain't playing with you, man. I've been doing both of y'all for years, man. I've always been the utmost respect. Right back at you. And we, we've been as gurus. I'm gonna call us gurus. Gurus. I'm so proud of what you're doing over there in the South, man. I'm not playing with that. I'm ready to come check it out. And we're going, we're going. I've been to everybody else, but I'm like, why be, I ain't got, we got over the heat. You were going to get me over there to do the show. But I said, it's going to be too loud in there, man. I said, I didn't know if it had a closed in room. I remember asking that, right? Yeah, they got closed. He got locked. I was like, man, you remember, but we ended up bringing everybody over here and doing the podcast afterwards. But it was some, like, like, I don't know. We'd be so busy, but I'm making it. Alpha, what days you open? Every day. You open tomorrow? Yes, sir. What we doing tomorrow? The game, the game is tomorrow. The game is tomorrow. The game is tomorrow. Well, what time you open that Sunday? On Sunday, we open at 12. What time the game is? Five. I think it's like five. I might come over and eat us a lunch. We have a dinner. You're going to be around lunch or you ain't going to be around by lunch? If I'm not there, it's going to be open, you know? I know you, I'm going to come see you when I'm taking some pictures. You got my number, just take your call. Yeah, your number's still in my phone. It's on that flyer. No, it's in my phone too, if you didn't change it. Okay, you got a million dollars and won't spend it. I'm sorry. Well, hey, man, I love y'all, man. Always have, always will. Appreciate that, man. I didn't get to talk to you about, you know, it was Big T, Mr. Lee. He's going to have to come back and we do it right in front of you by himself. I've got to get you. No, no, but it's a long term. It's about Lee at Big T. Yeah, just the way you, I see you everywhere. Let's do a part two. Yeah, he'll come back and do a part two. Love, you guys, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talking about.