 In addition to being a bassist, you also started a record company. Yeah, my bandmate Seth is in the audience and hopefully will be joining me on stage later to play some improvised music. But we started a band in college, we went to Roland School of Design, and we were all obsessed with this idea of do it yourself. Didn't want anyone to control how we, how our art was presented. So going back to Discord, there were a bunch of labels at the time when there was this amazing community of music that doesn't actually, I don't think exists really anymore. But there was a label in Chicago called Touch and Go, and there was a guy named Jonathan Ponerman that was started a label called Subpop, which everyone knows because of Nirvana. Great guy, amazing person. And there was a guy named Corey Rusk that did Touch and Go, but sort of these three labels were sort of the cornerstone of this indie music rock scene. That was very small and it was amazing to grow up and be a part of it because we would get in a van and we would stay on people's floors and they would make dinner for us. And it wasn't so much about making it more as experiencing it. And I mean touring can get really dirty though, like what do you do when a driver doesn't like change his underpants, you know, you just keep switching it around. Well, we had, I know where you're going with this, we booked our own tours and one time the Soviet Father went to Europe and the first time we went there we flew into England. And a friend of ours had recommended this driver named Jan, and Jan, Seth, where is Jan from? He was in Scandinavia. And we were promised, Norway, thank you, and we were promised that he was a great driver. So we landed in London, this guy shows up and he has no bags, no clothes, nothing. He just, and then he gets in the car and he never driven before in his life. He was a writer for a Norwegian newspaper. And he started, and now imagine you fly over to London sort of your first time, you're nervous, you don't know this guy. He shows up at the airport and you're driving on the wrong side of the road and then you're driving stick or manual on the wrong side. So we get in the car and this is before the Euro and literally we're in the parking lot at Heathrow in a van and it's like... And I'm the worst control freak driver. And I was like, let's do it, you got a new movement over. So after a seven hour flight I start very quickly learning how to drive stick shift. And then we drive to Germany and France and we get to the border and I didn't have a license. So then Jan had to get in the driver's seat and literally like chickens headed through the border as we sort of sputtered through. And there was one time I think in Germany we were so anxious because he just didn't know how to drive that we were screaming at him. At the top of our lungs like pull over just fucking pull over and he wouldn't do it. And finally I can't remember what happened. I digress. He had never learned how to shave and it was quite traumatic and he also had no clothes. Wait, at all? No clothing? No. Literally he showed up in the clothes that he was going on a six week tour with. Okay, so he had one set of clothing. You had to close like your clothes. Like this dress and underwear and shoes. He wasn't naked. I just want to make sure you clarify. He wasn't naked. He wasn't naked. Thank you. Six weeks you're in the stress. So at one point we're like dude what are you doing with your underwear? And what he was doing was he was inverting it. He would wear it a week and then take it off and then wear the other side and then wash it. But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part is he didn't know how to shave so he sort of had this stubble after a while. And then the last day we had a meeting with this potential label head and he showed up. And he was like Carrie. It was his blood dripping down his face. And we were like what is going on with you? And he learned to shave. He unfortunately didn't have a dad that taught him how to do this. But he just dry raised it, dry cut it. So it was just like a bobcat. Just like mulled his face. It was horrible. And at this meeting where we're trying to like impress this label. And this roadie comes out just blood dripping down. Horrible.