 And we're back once again. My name is Joanne Wachache, your host for Why In The Morning. And remember, we are in youth and politics. And remember, we've got our guests with us, Daniel Orogo, and also Amoya Arribo. Your name will get it right. Your name will get it right. Don't fret. One day. One day. And so we've been discussing a few things, the likes of Scandals and NHIF and KPLC as well as NYS. And now I wanted to ask, there's been a second handshake. You know, this is man crush. There's been a second handshake that has been happening. And I'm wondering, do you think it's bringing about what it's supposed to bring about? And do you find there is still opposition in Kenya? Was it assisted Kenya, the famous handshake, between...? Yeah. It is no definite answer, yes or no. But this depends on where you're seeing from. And I'm going to speak from where I see is the fact that we had very violent election, a very mobile and repeat election, and the country was astounded, the better end of last year until early this year. But then we had to find a truce. We had to keep going. And we were not going to move unless we were given a direction. So hence, the two leaders who were drawing their supporters, either to agree or to disagree, had to shake hands. But one of the things that we all need to agree again with Araiba is the fact that we give credit where it's due, that somebody, two people saw it wise to sit and chat the future of our country. We really need to see these handshakes being castigated down. And let's reach to our communities, tell them shake hands. If the communities were constantly fighting at the border of Kisumu and Nandi, shake hands there. If we're having communities, even the intra, inter-community itself, the antagonism within, you know, colonialism, even within Kisih, within the Luh, reach out shake hands. I think this is what needs to be moving forward. What's your view? And let's keep it short because we've got a very short time. What's your view on this one? I agree with what he says and my point is that we normally have a very violent and combative nature of politics. You remember the times when we were having elections, most places were inaccessible. People can't go to work when we were having the Tiagas Mondays. The university was inaccessible. And if we could have gone on with the electioneering mood and the combative nature, probably we could not even be here because every day it would be Tiagas and throwing stones at them. As you said, this is a clear gesture and probably it's time now we need to put our politics aside and develop the country next. The issue is unsustainability. Will we have this sustainable, this political truth? Will it be sustainable in the next political cycle? Okay. Thank you for that. And let's, let's, speaking of politics, let's touch on law a little bit. I know you're a lawyer and we're going to finish off. This is actually our last point of discussion. Once, remember, do keep it short. There is the issue of the death penalty and CJ Maraga. How do you feel about it in the sense that I know that there are those who feel, oh, yeah, death penalty for sure. But those are those who are very much against it. And is it something, is it progressive? Is it a progressive law in a country do you find? Or is it something that is... Unfortunately, this is a topical note comment on because this is an issue that I'm actively involved in, in terms of the policy aspect and the litigation aspect. So I'll not comment on that. Well understood. How about you? Can you give us a review, please? I am not having a lot of knowledge on these legal issues, but one of the things that I can say from a layman's point of view is the fact that you see the issue about pardon. I think we are human beings and some of these things requires to be pardoned. You know the law, an eye for an eye and all these if somebody murders and he should be murdered as well. If somebody chops one person's finger, it should be chopped. I think we are living in a society right now where we really need to look forward on how we become more corrective as opposed to punitive and all these things. But then there is something that I was forgetting as we wind up and especially when you go back to the issue about the handshake and political truth, you see young people have been at the center of conflict. And I love saying this because this is a youth TV. We are always seen as perpetrators of violence that we throw stones, we kill, we main. Always young people. Young people also on the other side, they have been seen as people who have these politicians, you know, have their campaign going on and all these things. So we really must be the peace actors right now. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that. And I do have to cut the conversation short completely. If you had, no, there's, I'm sorry, there's no language against anybody. I withdraw any bad language against anybody. Some topics are very important. And the passion is so much. Thank you so much. And that is what we had to discuss for today. Please join us again. Please join us again. This is wonderful. These are important topics for youth to understand. Once again, my name is Joy Wachache and this is Man Crush Monday.