 You guys are too excited. You calm down. I've got peanuts. I've got I'm gonna open my blind You have tea and he has coffee. What am I supposed to have water? I do have water by the way Poff tea. I'm gonna drink some water right now Whoa God down, bro I just drank some water. Holy shit. You alright? You need a minute? I need a minute. Yeah back up peanuts Hey nuts Rags you have good nuts I have many I have many nuts I've got my backup in case I run through the remainder of the one I'm working on now You have backup nuts. I have backup nuts. Yeah, these nuts. Yeah Alrighty we should be live and public wonderful waiting to see excellent life in chat to know that yeah There you go says let's go from Sebastian Rosenheim Wait, where are we going? See that and that name is way better than Matt Smith Sebastian Rosenheim that is yeah The reason I bring this up is because I saw in the jail is there and apparently when you know in the I was showing you bits of doctor who David Tennant Matt Smith took over for him. Obviously the next doctor and apparently it was a genuine concern that his name was just too Generic to be the doctor Matt Smith wait so wait wait the doctor's name or the actor's name The actor's name like okay Matt Smith is fine. It's easy to remember. Oh, yeah, that's the thing They obviously went with it and it's just like yeah, it's super simple. So Won't be that bad. I Have no I have no problems with Matt Smith No one from what I hear he was acceptable. He was a good doctor from what I understand I didn't I got I got I went out on it on his era actually was I got a season into his era and I was like I don't I can't say it and neither confirm nor deny either one or two But I think most people agree that the show starts to fall apart with his era and then Significant issues with Peter Capaldi's but at least the doctors were neat What can be said about the newest season? It's that everything sucks Including the doctor which sucks for you Mel you love that show Yeah, what shall we talk about? Doctor what wait? No, dr. When dr. Where? Why you know what helps me about you guys I watch spike in your gay Like it's like it's I recall spy kids. I have not fluke was a good. Was it flume or goop? No, what was his name? The bad guy King fluke King flume was it flume I Can't remember. I haven't seen it in many many many many many many years. I think it was fluke, but Good will test vegan flupe. I I only remember some of the most Like super like some imagery kind of is all I really remember the thumb people for instance Oh, well, I remember find that creepy especially the the sub villain gets like thumbed by the end he gets like thumbified Like oh my gosh, he's thumbs now Did you ever did you ever see thumb wars the phantom cuticle? No, it's a Film or YouTube video It's a film. Well, I don't I almost don't want to call it a film a film implies It's a movie. It's a flick that we rented from blockbuster back in the day and it was a like it was a spoof of A new hope but all of the people were like thumbs Okay, and it's as weird as it it's as weird as you're probably imagining it is now. It's just curious if anyone had Was familiar with thumb wars the phantom cuticle All right Yeah, so so the reason I thought of flupe Was that he has a song that he sings in spy kids movie And it opens with him saying who what when where and why and it's like, you know what five There you go guys when you're thinking of analyzing a story critically think of flupe Who's there? Why are they there? When were they there and where what time is it? Who wear what and why? Okay, there you go Why Listen to fluke All right and on screen right now I have this we got one meme today This is mainly so it's uh like it's it's a placeholder because of the screen um The neat little look at that little dragoon shield Who yeah, I like it. We'll mutually ready for a war. It looks like another a hero forge thing there Yeah, I like the shield that's like also a stabby bit It's got the stabby bit at the end if only shadwick is we could talk about the How often were they used how viable were they? How come we don't see them all? Like a shield, but it's got an option. You know if you got a stab and you know you got the shield But I will say the one you've gotten your left hand. It doesn't look like like it's that sharp like it could Yeah, that looks like a big pan and it hasn't it almost No lid I I was almost thinking that that was like the the sheath that he was holding For a sword or a spear or something and that was just the the dull bit at the end And the sword part was somewhere else or maybe he hadn't taken it out yet Well, you know what right? What if it's a parasol and I'm gonna set it down expands It could be a parasol. It's folded up behind you. Yeah, we just can't see it It's curved, you know, it could be an umbrella I guess but I wouldn't want to assume Um, so anyway Uh, I had an interesting morning I woke and I was like yo fringy because he's on he's on fake country time So you catch him in really weird times Like yeah, we can hang out la la la and then I got a message from southpaw The degenerate disgusting southpaw. Yeah. I was like, oh, what is this gonna be? I click it. Yeah, keep your eye on him Oh, yeah He was like, oh my Um, this is getting traction. You might want to check it out. I was like, what are you talking about? I was sent a thread on the subreddit I was like, what's what's this and is uh, it's getting lots of moving around and stuff and and From what I understood from the brief intro southpaw gave me It's uh, it's uh, it's it's a like an account an audit if you will of rags behavior On last e-fap. No Oh, no, I guess and I was like, oh no my my goodness Could it be whatever shall I do? I know I always whenever I read those threads I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna have to fire rags Pressing pressing f i r e. What a shame I'm sure that that's probably what they were hoping for that there just be in the next few days You'd get a you'd get just this post from Mahler that says due to some that's the reason Rags will no longer be appearing on e-fap because someone's dumb ass fucking retarded thread on reddit it just really convinced me and Fringy and I will be the only host of e-fap and metal is in consideration, but no well You know what's funny is uh, we've joked about this before in the past, but like, you know how like The the the fan base sort of cycles and every once in a while it would be like, oh, I miss x time in e-fap Like we're I used to be the good times And it's like it changes all the time because like we even had this when we were going over like like the gap between tlj and Rise of Skywalker Like all these era changes and it's like oh man, you know Miss and i'm waiting um friggy's expecting now be it a month maybe three There's gonna be a post on that subreddit. I guess like a hundred points It's like making fringy a host was a mistake and here's why And the main point will be something like, you know what he rags and mola they just they agree too much That's that's not good enough because yeah, I want to hear Discussion and then this is like because I was talking to friggy about this and he was like, yeah It's so weird that the the hosts of like people who are friends and agree of stuff Imagine Stop that shit. A lot of people I saw it was saying that it was a too much of a circle jerk in that e-fap literally Um, I don't know how else to tell people this like so what I did for the guests was um, I got contacted by chase He was like, oh, I've been playing. I'd love to come on. I'm He even said he was really enjoying it and I was like, yeah, okay That works. Um, I saw jay longboat street in it. I was like that makes sense bring her on Um, there was a couple who couldn't make it. They ended up in the thumbnail. So it's no secret. It was um Jay longbone and mark after dark were possibly coming on, but they couldn't quite make it Uh indigo gaming contact me. He was like, I'd love to come on e-fap sometime if possible and um You know for naturally with his name. It's like a gaming one. That'd be neat And then I saw john tweeting about how much he was enjoying the game I was like, you know, this is looking real good now because if I collect a bunch people who like it and then a bunch of us I think at this point as well. I was like dare I say middle of the road to bad I was like If if it was a zero to ten, I was sitting like a four. I was like, I could be convinced either way more so Whatever and I was like, yes, we'll collect up This huge cast and we'll have a whole bunch of like an 11 hours And you can verify this the group I made A monk said like one negative thing about the game and I was like Nobody say anything, right? I don't I don't want anybody, you know Infecting each other with their opinions. I want this all to be very candid And you know, I knew that I think anyway, I was I was like, I think rags has the Least to say positive about the game So it's probably useful that he's lost in the roster so everyone can get out whatever feelings they want before hearing Um, what could have been like the most damning take but unfortunately it seemed like everybody Fucking didn't think the game was very good Oh um So this idea that like because there's people are they were like are like, oh more crafted it So you didn't bring on anybody who liked it It was like I specifically grabbed a lot of these people because I thought they liked the game I was like, this will be great and um Yeah, I don't know. It's uh, didn't necessarily work out with a lot of founder arguments, but Lucky for me and you guys as you saw that night a chat was on its a game providing us many great arguments Including many resident evil is supposed to be stupid. Yeah Every game was always bad Resident evil isn't meant to be good resident evil stories are always terrible Resident evil is not supposed to make sense a lot of very insightful Very useful defenses of resident evil so and so then you you think about um The the the duke we've been getting loads of criticism for complaining that we didn't know anything about him When we were explicit in that part of the stream about why it's a problem compared to resident evil 4 For some reason nobody's grasped this they all they've taken away is that we hate mystery. I was like that's really Just good faith right there. Um What else did we get uh, yeah stop complaining about like leashing enemies and limits on invisible walls and stuff That's in all games. It's like wow That's a really good counter to Which isn't true, but what a horrible defense even if it was well, yeah We this is the thing I just I get surprised. I'm like, oh, that's the uh, that that's never worked for anything We've covered. Why would it why would it work for resident evil? That's weird Um, then the guns one we went over extensively all of us How what it means to have guns that do different things have variations and have synergies We gave so many examples that weren't just resident evil 4 because it turns out resident evil 4 got criticism on that point nothing not so many people tend to remember so Um, the response to that is The guns do different amounts of damage The guns do operate differently You guys like, you know, you need to actually play the game. Maybe you'll figure that out. It's like, oh damn I feel like we went over that. Oh my goodness gracious Feel like because it was 11 hours that we really did get to dig into a lot of specifics about all of this But you know, yeah, we talked a lot from one on gather and you know, it's just like we didn't do a very good job So yeah, anyway, I was just like, oh man, you know, I'm gonna have to have to read this criticism And then I'm gonna feel like uh rags and you talk to you buddy, you're uh You're bringing the podcast down. I've been told I've I've heard from sources that will remain Nameless that you are off You're we're gonna have to put the leash back on no no We gave you just a little bit of freedom and you run away with it No, I said this before and I think rags said this before but like social media platforms Like typically all of them are cancer just different kinds Um, even discord. All right, you know, I love your discord. You're probably the my favorite. You can take that, I guess You know, I'll I'll ruffle discord here. It's like you're a good guy on most part Um, just to briefly have a comparison, you know, twitter Oh, a platform designed to snark against people not have actual discussions and score points Like that's mainly what it's for What? And like the more you can Fog the argument on twitter the better like that seems to be how it works And uh, yeah, it can be frustrating reddit on the other hand. I've been using that for a long time I've never I don't know if I'd ever claim. I like reddit It's more so it has uses The problem with reddit at its best it can be like super meaningful because people make long posts So they do like different things to connect lots of different things together a lot of the um The really awesome art you guys make ends up on reddit, but it does on twitter as well So I'm not really like a specific thing reddit also has the problem Of of being incredibly pseudo-intellectual filled with people who have galaxy brains And they feel so fucking superior to anything they're talking about because they're like super cluster cranium Just share in my perspective and you know, I've made it very detailed So you can tell like I'm putting a lot of effort in I'm being very very thin. It's just like oh great so Reading this this thread. I was just like oh getting a full dose of how much reddit sucks from this, but You know, maybe that's unfair. Maybe we should get into this. All right So what we're gonna do is uh catch up on the resident evil stream superchast today But before that we're gonna check out this thread because there's people saying like our muller would never address this It's like, I don't know what show you watch. We address criticism constantly. We literally have an interaction. You would think that we wouldn't Yeah So this this should probably hopefully be fun, but at the same time Uh sobering hopefully some people who Feel like they've got the there's the keys to criticizing efab because my god anyway What we're gonna do anyway Is uh go sentence by sentence. I suppose or claim by claim and then uh, we'll compare it to what we assume Might be slightly different. So we open with more or seems surprised as to why people in chat reacted so seemingly strongly out of character Can we stop them stop right there? Okay, because so already I just want to contextualize statements like this If you watch the stream back, I'm like surprised and disappointed because they're using arguments. They shouldn't be using I think the key example and I think fringy brought it up was um Space wizards intended for children was essentially being used against us by our own community It's like, what the hell are you guys doing? Like this is very unlike you. You're out of character And so I said There's a good chance a bunch of new people are here Um because this happened with the boys and I think it happened with falcon and the winter soldier in the opening hour And possibly with wander vision And it's a reason I think to us too because it's a new piece of media and people looking out for some information Of this piece of media and see if they want to buy it. And so it's like, you know Chat wasn't very well written That night. In fact, I probably pick it as the most disappointed I've been in chat But like I typically as chase pointed out several times A lot of them totally chill and awesome But when you have enough of them, yeah, we have enough of them making really shit arguments It fucks with the flow because You know, this is gonna be a huge reveal guys. There's a reason I put you on screen Okay, since day one because I like you I like the input I like bouncing off you guys. I find you funny insightful In fact, there's probably a bit of a good pro quo here because there's a good reason It's a good chance you watch us because you find us insightful or funny or You know relatable for some reason you're here for some reason. I'm thinking and so like I feel the same way That's why you're on screen and so naturally with that logic if you were all to post, you know Really bad nonsensical or bad faith shit. It would damage the flow It would damage the show because you you guys are there for a reason So I was I have this concern, but as chase pointed out, it's like, man, it's something like 5% It's like, yes, but that's a lot more than I'd like it to be. I'd like I'd like it to not absolutely like So yeah, that's that's done. There's nothing else needs to be done with that Then it continues. Perhaps I can clarify here almost 40 percent of the 11 hour stream was dedicated to rags and his thoughts on the game That's a lot. Oh So that's that's strange as a connection It seems to be he's he's almost saying like this is an explanation. It's rags his fault that people were out of character Like no, that's nothing to do with we can't have anything to do with rags. I was talking about their arguments That doesn't mean Like rags existence wouldn't change anything in this equation. So I find that odd But hey, it's it's one way to get into this conversation. I suppose Sure, so 40 percent of the 11 hour stream was rags I that's like four and a half hours I don't believe you All right Yeah, like I just don't believe it and I was thinking like I was trying to think of how I could break this down In a way that would justify this statement. I was like, okay, so If we cut everything other than Everyone talking then we split that into percentages I imagine That myself rags indigo gaming and fringy have all of the highest percentages if you told me which of those four has the highest I'd be like oof Probably me. It's it's gonna be between you and indigo gaming. He got to speak a whole bunch by the way No, no shade. He was he was a great guest and we'll happily have him back. Yeah, we like it when people talk. Yeah Um, yeah, I guess first to stack it. It might be you then him then myself then fringy. I think That's probably it. So, um But then of course you might find yourself saying wait a minute. Is that bad? Is it bad if rags takes 40 percent of the talk time? I guess someone might say like well, I mean if he's preventing other people from talking Like well, this is this is the interesting part Um, I don't know you could just call me a liar for this I guess because nothing I could really do to prove it but other than going back through the stream and counting But rags, I know something about you What have my eyes on the discord every once in a while? I noticed that you would give up your slot a lot of the time if you locked in at the same time with people And the more interesting part you know was that when you're speaking say for example I go hey man, I got three points to make first flower second mushroom third and then fringy goes Whoa, whoa, well, I don't know about the chicken mushroom And then he's like, but sorry you you go ahead and then rags will be like no no no Carry on like and you would hang on to that third I was like that's pretty that's pretty cordial if if if you don't mind me mentioning and um, I think I was trying to do the same if you watch the stream I'm I'm trying to give my position up But when I'm really desperate to get that point out, I usually say like I swear to god I'll be quick and I just go boom boom boom and then let go. Mm-hmm. I'll yeah, you know um And I guess it just Hawkins back to the whole idea that yeah This is the way it works There were nine people and I said at the beginning you're gonna have to interrupt each other You're gonna have to fight to speak because Having a system of people go first When there's nine people is really fucking hard and if someone said well, why'd you have nine? It's like well That wasn't actually the intention. I did it by accident. I'm not gonna go into how that happened But um at the same time I knew that it could go for 11 hours So I was like well, everybody will be able to get their perspectives out Because this isn't a one-hour stream of the nine people. It's 11 um So yeah, and I honestly I think it was really good But considering those um those restrictions. I think it was pretty tough Uh, we had a lot of people who had a lot to say about something and we had a lot of time to say it But nine people trying to talk about stuff the fact it ended up as good as it did That's kind of that's kind of great. I didn't really well Yeah, and you um you do what you can like one of the things I was trying to do was remember Who didn't like who when there was a uh across roads didn't get to speak and just draw them back in if I could I guess that's like part of the hosting job And you know sometimes they would be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I actually wanted to blah blah blah Then some people like oh no, I forgot my place all they were like no I was kind of being covered which is just I don't know why I'm explaining how conversation works And yeah, let's just it went pretty well so I don't believe you about that statement. I also don't know why that statement's a problem and um I think the stream went really well considering the restrictions you try and run a nine person stream for 11 hours on one topic Like it's it's hard I wonder if they would have had an issue if you had been the one who supposedly talked for 40 percent or fringy had been the one Well, I think we should keep that in mind actually how many because this is going to be a list of rags of sins How many of these sins are myself and fringy guilty also curious? Oh, no We have to keep that bit keep that put it in your back pocket save for later give the old Yeah, you want to feel it there so you don't forget So something to hang on to Next up we got rags sees very little benefit to being cordial So in keeping with his own personal proclivities, I will not pull any punches either What do you think about that rags feel about your I So I think I'm a I'm as far as interlocutors go. I think I'm pretty good Um cordu corduality I don't know cordiality Corduality right as we saw in the What was his name twin perfect, right? I don't regret a goddamn thing that I did when we were talking to twin perfect if someone is Acting like that then I'm going to respond in a certain way and if some people are trying to get out their points I'll respond in another way A politeness is earned in a sense Well, you're stumbling on um a problem that the fab community has as well Do you know they didn't really raise too much of an issue when you were uh, you did what you did with um The twin perfect most people are very happy with it because of how he was talking and how he was behaving when I think to the average viewer An irl stuff not like super into into debate or discussion stuff. They've been like, oh Twin perfect was very kind. He wasn't swearing. He wasn't rushing. He's being very nosy. Why why'd you have to be such a dick, right? When um, and I always reference this because everyone fucking forgets I was very very nice to yesen and I don't think I should have been Um, and it's one of the ones that people go back to and they're like, yeah more kind of like required other people to kind of um push harder Because it's it's difficult sometimes it depends on who you're dealing with when someone advocates that burning a million people Alive is worth freeing the slaves temporarily. You kind of you don't know where to go. You're like wait. What's happening? Am I supposed to how do I argue this? How nice should I even be? I don't even know because I don't approach everybody the same way nor do any of you in chat nor do either of you guys No, I don't notice nor does really anybody. Yeah, no um, and so the idea is of course it depends on who we're talking to this is reflected in uh, if you watch the major league debate I am Practically every word that comes out of my mouth is through a smile because he's amusing me quite a bit Um The yes and one is more of like a shock like I can't believe this person has this perspective the twin perfect one is me Very slowly trying to walk this child into his playpen. I'm like, we've almost got it. Here we go but um Obviously the other people in the cast had different approaches required which is like stop being so evasive stop trying to not commit to a statement Something dishonest actually engage with us actually have a discussion with us But he just would not do it and he's an adult and he will be treated as such And so you might be like Well, you know rags isn't really, you know, he's not much of a cordial person I should be like so if if we were to stream for a fucking 40 hours right now Just me metal and rags video gaming talking about random subjects pretty sure it would be chill for all 40 hours Yes, we're like, hmm. Why isn't rags being a dick to me? Why isn't rags being a dick to me? It's like probably because we're really chill being honest Friends like loads of background. There's a similar interest not really much confusion um Point being uh, if you've dragged from watching rags interact with other people When rags believes they're being dishonest and so rags is like more aggressive And you believe that he's just like a non cordial person as a person as a result I already know from from how much I've talked to you that you're probably one of the most pleasant people to talk to IRL randomly like I'm sure you're very uh Oh my goodness just this idea that you you cross somebody that you know like a supermarket. They're like, oh, sorry Do you yeah? Yeah, no problem. You just go right ahead. So everyone else is like you would debate them wouldn't you rags You'd ask them what vegetable is their favorite and if they can't justify it you'd slap them Like no, no, I I think yeah, I not to toot my horn. I think I'm all right You know, I I think the issue that we have here is that a lot of people I don't put up with people's shit Um, if they're coming at me in a certain way Um, I'm not just gonna take it because I found in my life that when someone Acts a certain way towards me if they're if they're trying to be snarky and score points against me or they're being dishonest Or they're trying to get at me And I don't say something about it or I just let it happen I always regret later on not having challenged them on it or responded in kind Yeah, meanwhile, I feel like Um, if if nobody was there but me with twin perfect I don't think we would have had as strong of a result Because I only would have ever have gotten like I would have driven him into Contradictive positions, but he would just never agree and you try and blur it again and again and again Like that's all that was ever gonna happen. Um, but when you combo that up This is called something. It's a trope. It's called good cop bad cop It works really well. It's not necessarily it's not at all something we have like some kind of preparation, but um If this happens naturally, maybe well, yeah pretty much. I just like I'm interested in uh trying to figure it out You know, there's approaches, right? What do they call it more luck with honey than vinegar or whatever? That's another saying if I just keep saying sayings it'll justify every single thing we ever do, right? That's how that works Excellent Um, you don't take people shit. That means you throw them to the ground and senselessly beat them, right? Oh j Oh, I know what you're referencing Yours funny is you could interpret that in multiple ways like that's what the kind of good faith We were getting with a lot of the resident evil arguments. It's like Stating something that it's like wow, so you're saying but like I want to know why the duke Is able to move around the whole area without incurring any wrath from all of the lords and moranda When he's the only reason everything's falling the fuck apart for all of them And someone goes you don't like mystery Like thank you so much for addressing you did it. You did it. Yeah, you you were able to So clearly listen to all of our conversation Yeah, so obviously then this is the thing when you read this you're like, uh-oh this person's Like rags as an asshole, so I'm gonna be an asshole too. It's like we're off to a good start Let's just progress I guess because you're gonna you're gonna need it I will give as many examples as I can Wow, keep that in mind when we get through this Given the limitations of this format, but I will explain my reasoning each time good stuff. All right off off we go The core issue boils down to rags terminal case of dunning kruger syndrome Oh my god, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is It's when you're unable to detect your own like position and intelligence for lack of low for a simpler vision Well, you're so the the dunning kruger if The good way to describe it is there is um think of it as a little graph like a big bell People who uh, if you have the dunning kruger effect is that oftentimes people who don't know much about anything Act and or actor believe is if they know a whole bunch about it Yeah people who have a decent amount of experience in a certain field or topic They are sort of aware of their knowledge levels and then The the bell goes down to the end which is kind of the opposite where people who really do know their shit about a topic Or a field they act as if they know a lot about the field appropriately Um, so it's it's it's essentially used uh when people It's that first part that it's generally referred to when you see someone who doesn't really know anything Or who knows just a little bit about something They act with extreme confidence and actually believe and present themselves as experts Yeah, my my dumbo vision is you're too stupid to know how stupid you are You're like you just assume everything's weird. Yeah. Yeah, I know it doesn't really cover it in more detail What you just said covers it way better. So like the um the claim that would just be the rags Doesn't even know how much he's not contributing because he wouldn't be able to because that's that's the level he's at That's an interesting claim. Let's see how we go He mouths off even when he is not knowledgeable on the topic at hand Now that is a really interesting thing to say considering you played resin evil 8 and the topic was resin evil 8 so that Well, I mean I I like I said I got 23 hours in the game. We're here to talk about it It's very fresh in my memory I fit I figured if now is a good time, I suppose, you know I'm super curious now peaked Because like this is all about that stream. So what is this about? And so this is apparent from the very beginning when he as smug as ever Attempts to call his guests out on the veracity of the claim that the first three games a resennial franchise As forth referred to as re we're in fact scary So to clarify. Oh interesting rags Is the the issue here is that rags is like those three games are not scary Despite the fact that I have not played them and see Dunning Kruger effect in action right there There's no other way to interpret the events as as describes that just nailed it excellent reference. Clearly. That's it So even though You go ahead. Well, I just have so much to say about this It's just I'm fucking go for it. My mind is racing, you know You got time first of all, I don't even know what I should say first I guess I'm just gonna go with this because it feels right myself and Fringy echoed rags statement Well, I say echoed either we said it before him or we echoed it. I think you said it first. Yeah So obviously there's a mohler thread and a Fringy thread that has this problem in it too I'm not sure on where on the subreddit is right now. I'm sure it's findable It's gotta be because if this is an issue for rags as an issue for us I have only played resident evil one remake And um, I actually played it on stream. I think back in the day I um, I enjoyed it. I only got halfway through and I was like, I'm not I'm not really vibing them. I'm out And I've I've never really gelled with the um a lot of That camera angle. I never know what like a quick way of explaining what the camera angle is. Is it um ceiling camera Yeah, the camera I can I can google it and double check but you go ahead and carry on Yeah, so it's yeah, it was always like a A bit of off-putting to me and if I was to play them extensively I could give so much better reasoning, right? But like from memory, I was just like, yeah, and so When someone says like, ah, you know re8 not scary I do I would like immediately be like, well, you know, I know some people are going to be really scared by the The spooky section, of course Um, and then someone goes like, oh residual one two three way scarier even in my head. I'm like Is it though? Are they though? I don't know From what I've seen of them is like, I don't know that I would be getting scared Yeah, I I haven't played them, but I think I've watched speed runs of all of them because I'm I'm modestly interested in speed runs um Code Veronica as well Um, but I just I they just don't seem scary at all to me now just but that's that's me You know, there is such a thing as text and subtext and this happens in conversations. Um I'm trying to think of a good example. I used to have one. I'd always referenced but I was going to say something like um I don't know. Uh mel you turn up and you're like, I've got a coffee and then I go. Oh already someone could be like The uh in in what more saying, uh, he assumes It mel's done this way faster than it was possible. Not that I said that Just it's all implied. You can draw it out of what I said pretty easily now when someone says Uh, take for example, I say this this thing is shit and then mel is like, wait, wait, what do you mean? Do you not like it or do you think that it's like flawed in its construction? Because I could have said this is shit as a result of both of those And uh, you you want to find out more now if I say something isn't scary Uh, it's up to you to define that as I have just said that I didn't find it scary. I don't think I would find a scary or I am saying that no one on earth finds this scary Like do you which do you think I'm trying to say now? Rags myself and fringy were all basically saying the original resident evil games don't look like games that would scare us That's that's what we were saying You couldn't grasp that and then you instead thought that rags was saying these games are not scary for people And I have not played them Like why do you think rags would be saying that? We also I'm pretty sure you got you guys are we Specified oh, yeah, but being scared was pretty subjective. I'm pretty sure we said that as well. Absolutely So I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to mean now Like where does this come from? Yeah, all we were doing was sharing that we probably wouldn't be scared But by the way, hot take like I don't think resident evil 4 is scary Like uh me neither. I might have been scared of it when I first played it when I was like Like It's what the reason I bring that up is because it's being framed as you shitting on the three resident evil games When like whether or not they're scary Isn't necessarily at all going to be indicative of how good they are as games because That might not be what I'm not scared of the yeah a game doesn't have to be scary to be good So yeah, um, so that's the first claim. I feel like it's really bad faith like you have to just Reading it. You're just like wow He thinks you're a dick for doing something that any normal person does and two other of the main hosts did But we don't get in trouble for it I must have done it differently or some there must there must be a reason He'll elaborate on as to why he didn't mention you guys, but he did me I'm sure because he's got I'm sure all this time and he this is the takedown post, right? On someone in chat just said like didn't you always want to move on from whenever the subject became how scary was a thing? I was like, yeah, because it's just subjective how scared you were of a thing is really subjective I'm not saying you can't talk about it. Although. It's not interesting because I think it can be It can be yeah, if someone if someone says that they didn't find soma scary They didn't find alien scary. That's more interesting to talk about than someone who didn't find telly-tubby scary Well, I think it's just there's it's on on a spectrum And you have expectations of people and some some positions are much more curious than others And so a good comparison from that actual stream was chase being like nobody finds the doll scary I was like, yeah. Yeah, they do. Come on. Like people do to move on move on. Yeah. Yeah, people find all scary It's fine. I think I had to say people find cloud scary. Just move on. It's fine We've got everything in the world that could be both scary or not scary It's just like it's I actually actually knows an old friend of mine. She was scared of balloons or is scared of balloons It was like the weirdest thing I've ever heard. If anything is I can kind of see Why that might have happened if they were a kid and they pop in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And also, I don't just to say I I don't think that you have to play a video game to Have a pretty solid and justifiable position whether or not you think it's scary or not I haven't played Pikmin 3 I am extremely confident that that is not a scary game And that is why you have the Dunning Kruger syndrome Because you can't talk about that rags unless you've played pick three. Yeah, there's I know that Nintendo a lot of people don't know this but after Pikmin 2 Nintendo was like we're going to take Pikmin into a new direction A new horrifying direction I knew it and I just didn't I didn't know that and so Pikmin You know, it's I should have kept up with the news Pikmin 3 is the first M rated Pikmin game. It's terrifying and dark and I mean it just it contextualizes the genocide really well And it's very graphic I'd say so and so that's why Fuck you've told me about Pikmin 3 without playing it. That's we've learned a lot today. So Moving on to play I talked about The Last of Us 2 without playing it, but I'm sure that'll be okay Dude, it'd be cited as like a flaw about you eventually even though we were like extensive with why It's all a cycle up. Not annoying at all Um, so he does this even though he later admits he never played any of them In fact, it later becomes clear that the only title in the franchise that he did verifiably complete was Resident Evil 4 A title to achieve or actually will stop there so Oh my goodness What an opinion not convinced It's not a meme anymore that some people in chat said we haven't played the game properly or all the way through or some of us It's I didn't take it seriously, but I think I doubt take it seriously and you're fucking insane You're actually Like so this is where we've not even through a fifth and it's like so you've fucking lost me now Talk about the bad faith train Motherfucker, we streamed all of resident evil 5 Yeah, y'all If y'all didn't you know don't know Mahler and I had a wonderful playthrough of resident evil 5 and co-op. It was delightful. We really enjoyed it It was very silly laughs were had boulders were punched. Yes. It was great Played through the whole thing and as I was playing through the whole thing with Mahler, I was making many references to I had that I had played it before multiple times um so Interesting, but all right. I guess you missed all those dreams. That's okay I don't understand how you could be a fan of efab, which apparently this person is and not know that rags has played Resident Evil 5 We've referenced it so many times like Yeah, it's the game that gets referenced as the game is not great, but with a friend. It's awesome That's that that's the game. It's caught. I made a joke about it in the gadelb 3 Like it comes up and it just says the game title is this game is pretty fun with friends Or something like that 2005 like that's just what it's called because that's just what we say um But you know what you might be thinking well If he's gotten if you didn't even watch the stream Is this a fair thing to say it's like I guess so But that would be weird to make a thread about it It would still be wrong because you're just saying that I've only played one other resident evil based on I don't even know what it's based on really Uh, but yeah, what what an intro what an what a talk over talking about dunning gruger Like what an insane position to take when you have just no knowledge whatsoever. How interesting that is Someone said for clarification how much should someone claim to know if they've only seen a playthrough It's just like it's all contextual. It's about what they're talking about Yeah, it does depend if I watch a playthrough of a game And I'm pretty confident That it wouldn't scare me And someone says that that really really that was a really really scary game. I'll be like was it really? And that's that's like that's all what that's like the thing you say to start a conversation about something You know and stop the stigma because it's a question People can talk about that is a question I mean fucking absolutely, you know if you only watch like the first scene in tfa And then you're like I'd like to talk about the flaws of that scene Someone might be able to be like well your criticisms might be alleviated by the you know remaining scenes to come However, if they like it could still be interesting to just hear at what they had to say anyway If someone's like you haven't seen the full film like what do you have to say it's like chill out Just see what they said and about what? Like it you'll know if it fucks them up. All right, you'll know They'll they'll have loads of gaps of knowledge and they'll appeal to things they couldn't possibly know but like Rags say it doesn't look scary and that myself a friggy agree that it's just like wow you should be able to say that It's like fuck off. Yes. We can totally say that so anyway From my knowledge rags you have played Resident Evil 4 to completion Resident Evil 5 to completion resident evil 7 to completion resident evil 8 to completion and then you've played a couple of others to a degree I played re2 remake a little bit I played and I forgot about this at the time I have played and finished resident evil umbrella chronicles the rail shooter for the we So I forgot I even did that and I did So there you go, bam, and I find it infinitely bad faith that this person says The only one that he verifiably completed was resident evil 4 as if like he's he knows about you talking about resident evil 8 But he won't count it because this is insane meme going around that rags didn't actually play resident evil 8 You're all nuts I have I was posting I don't know if they made it onto the stream because I wasn't watching the stream itself as we were Playing because it was just you know your playthrough that I'd watched Um, but I I have clips that I've posted in the discord that have my gameplay and my voice over them I posted a lot of those into the chat I have clips saved and screenshots taken the screenshot that we use for our discord group About resident evil 8 is a screenshot. I took You got it from watching the last play. You fucking watch marketplace, didn't you? Yeah, he was he streams in very high quality. So I was able to snag that. Yeah Um So, yeah, that's pretty embarrassing moving on a title to which he draws comparison and references no less than 144 times during the 11 hour stream of which he hogs nearly half the runtime The first there's almost something admirable About counting if that's actually the amount of references Which it could be or could not be I'm not sure I wouldn't be able to guess almost an admirable amount of dedication To a point that's horrifically bad Yeah, and to be honest with you must have done pretty well because I didn't feel like it was dragging the comparisons, you know Yeah, I was like here we go and yeah, it's gonna be how they managed to you know, do the same thing but better before which is um How to tackle this so the whole like he hogs nearly half the runtime with this and I'm just like so first of all You haven't proven that you've just said it and I don't believe you so like I just Whatever on that point, um But next up is this bad Is it bad to compare to something 144 times? Hmm, I mean especially when The thing that you're comparing so re4 and re8 re8 is definitely a spiritual successor to 4 8 wouldn't exist as village If re4 hadn't existed re4 was a game that broke the mold for the series that set a lot of trends of gaming It was very big when it came out. It continues to be a very excellently playable game It was it's an older game that was made like Ages ago. Yeah, and it does so much better as kind of an experiment Then 8 does trying to improve a formula that already existed that wasn't there was there was already bare bones to begin with And it's in the same series. It's made by the same company like Well, this is what I mean you stacked up as a point of comparison stacked up so many reasons already And then add to that that it's uh one of my favorite games of all time. One of your favorite games of all time Mel, is that one of yours? Or uh, I don't know. I never played it that much, but I really like it I really like the game You can go back to my soma videos where I list some of my favorite games of all time resneval 4 is there It's literally something I've replayed many many many many times. I love the game Um, I can I would I don't see so this is where we get to the confusion, right knock out all of what we just said That's all gone. There is no Specific reason to highlight another game comparing with resneval 8 does is that a problem? If you're comparing mechanics, does it have to be connected in any way shape or form? It's like no Um, if the if the comparison is relevant then no, but we have all the reason That's probably the most like if you know anything about eFap at this point And you know anything about the creation of the game you should expect resneval 4 is going to come up a whole Bunch in the conversation. I don't know why you wouldn't It is arguably the quintessential example of the classic video game at this point It just keeps living and it's still good And who better to bring up the comparisons and explain them than someone who's fucking knows the game inside out Like it all lines up and you're complaining. It's like Comparing the game on 44 times. I own it on four systems. I've beaten it many many times. I play it constantly It's can always go back to it. I love resneval 4. It's fucking great Yeah, so I don't understand this argument. I don't even know that it is an argument So it's like with 0 and 2 right now. Maybe 0 and 3. I don't even know I'm trying to keep track, but It's it's like he draws comparison reference to resneval 4 It's like yes, he does and it's good that he did provide a lot of insight But moving on Yes, yeah His knowledge of resneval 8 is so lackluster that at one point He is actually questioned on whether he even played the game at all So that means goodness. That means absolutely nothing. Someone in chat right out right now. Moeller. Are you a penguin? All right Don't just just type that out. So then someone can write a thread saying You know, it's so unclear if Moeller's a penguin. Someone actually asked it in chat Can you believe there you go? Someone yeah, someone asked if someone didn't like irrationally didn't believe that I had played a game and so they asked if I'd played it So therefore I I just It's just it's really sketched to me. Also, you know what I'm saying I'd say Close to 50 people are about to ask that question if you see in chat now From the wisdom of another creator if 50 people question whether or not I'm a penguin Then you should probably take that seriously Just mom doesn't even know who he is anymore. Yeah, what am I? Yeah, we should look into it but um So the main point there being what shoddy evidence However, if rags were in a call with me and he was like I was watching a stream with this Uh with well with markiplier. Let's say markiplier was streaming his review of the game And um Rags said he does such a bad job of reviewing it that most people in chat Weren't sure he even played the game. I'd be like what like what did he say? Like what yeah, what could that say? I was like, how did he fake the let's play at that point? Like what would rationalize that? How would that make sense? Now in rags's case you'd be thinking Ah So rags is gonna have gotten loads of details wrong and it's gonna sound like he's trying to keep up with the rest of us Like I go. Oh my god. I hated the you know morrow the big fight with morrow and then rags is like, yeah I know he's like he's so like he's so like oh, you know, yeah, he's such an annoying bird Yeah So, yeah, let's let's have a look at the references for this. I'm very excited. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready Um, all right question whether I played the game I am sure no one actually questions the fact that he did you literally have you said that it's not verifiable But that was the point it okay, whatever. Okay, it's uh, but that particular piece of bait Nice was clearly designed to point out that he is not an expert on the topic, which is fine I don't think I'm an expert at resident evil 8 Why would questioning whether or not you've played the game be a bait to point out that you're not an expert when nobody claims to be I don't think I'm an expert on it, but I think I think I don't have to talk about it pretty in-depth, but I don't know if I'm an expert I'm not an expert. I've played the game a shit, son. I'm not an expert Yeah We and then it's like which is fine. It's like see rags. It's okay to not be an expert It's like I never claimed it was like why are you saying this? It's like, oh baited Anyway, that's certainly why they brought in six other guests pity. We hardly get to hear from them So no, I brought them in for hopefully different perspectives because I had a feeling that rags myself Metal and Fringy were all lining up from what I'd heard from their streams and the discussions offline So I could be cool to drag some people in and of course when you're trying to drag people in on top of four It's like so we're already heading for a big number and I was like, you know what? I suppose we'll commit we've got that nine. It's happened Like I said, it could have been 11 if things went even worse in terms of just coincidence, but Nine it was I didn't bring in. I don't even know what the fuck they're trying to say I brought in six other guests because we're not experts on Resident Evil 8 as if playing it isn't enough for us to talk about it We have to bring in experts. What the fuck are you talking about? We have to bring in some video game scientists Do you think do you actually use you know the funny thing is Mel? I would put 10 money and money right now 10 dollar cash on the on the little maybe even 11 That you and I wow that's one an hour that you and I with a possible exception for a monk Played the game the most out of everybody in that cast Uh, yeah, yeah, so who's the experts now bitch Oh my god. Yeah, everything I said was true now If you doubt us, there's like a weak worth of streams over at my channel if you want to check it out Yeah, there's four in a playlist of mine. They're all quite long Didn't even mention Resident Evil 4 once if that bothers you Resident Evil 4 should always be mentioned to regardless of context Yeah, notice it did 444 times already I was like, oh man, if I'm since it's really funny and you're like, yeah, Resident Evil 4 is pretty funny a lot of the uh, yeah It's like, huh? Mola mad mola mad a little bit. We'll get to why on that. So Um, yeah, pity we hardly get to hear from them. So nobody was stopped from talking This is the format for eFab if you guys remember eFab chat because you're an you're an old man now You're two and a half well two over two and a half Um, which in chat years is like 200, you know and um, remember back when we first had er on and all of you said that we talked over him the whole time And we were like, but we didn't we even had a section where we asked him questions and we waited for responses It's just that er's a little shy, which is totally fine. Not everybody is as boisterous as all of us And you're like, no, definitely talked over him We bring him back and the same thing happened. You're like pretty sure you guys are talking over him kinder And then he came back again. He's like poking him with a stick And then Then the memes literally turned into er is the shy one and whenever he speaks even if his circle turns green everyone goes I was like, what's he gonna say? Oh, he speaks Yeah, so um I don't know how you didn't notice this from eFab. We're very okay with people talking We just want to butt in if we take issue with something they've said already but in Um, and even then if someone says like do you mind if I finish my point like aggressive Yeah, yeah, sure. But if someone is actually actively getting cut off like metal's trying to explain Why he dies is beard over and over again. We keep like sort of interrupting him. I'll eventually be like malo Go ahead explain why you died beard. Go ahead Yeah So we the pirate gave us a bad reputation. Sorry that that's the Yeah, so um, the idea that like I just I just like, uh, you know, john didn't talk a lot, uh Perhaps a monk people felt he didn't talk a lot I just be like everyone talked as much as they wanted to talk They were told if they really want to You know get a perspective in when there's a big ruckus of talking that they're gonna have to push a little but that's okay And sometimes it just happens. There were a lot of notes. I had it's like, oh, we talked about this already I don't need to mention it again. So I put a little tick on that and didn't mention it again I uh, whenever I had something to say, but I couldn't quite get it out I would write it down and the most I had at any one time was seven and I managed to get them all out eventually Yeah, because that's how it works. I I only have a couple of Minor things that didn't get to talk about but that was because I was fucking tired and I didn't want to anymore And by the way, no shade to er. I'm totally fine with anybody operating however they want on a stream They talk as much as they want. Oh, yeah, that's how it works But the idea that someone doesn't talk as much as us and that's a problem. I'd be like, man I don't think I don't know if you people can't talk as much as us We talk for 11 hours. Sorry 30 hours straight If you add on the extra hours between streams and beforehand that was like 35 hours of rags and I just talking um That's not normal Just just fyi. It's not normal um So moving on Rags being rags decides to double down once the commenter in chat concedes that he only wrote the comment because rags did not come across as knowledgeable on the topic so It sounds like the person who are we still talking about the commenter who said that I hadn't played the game So this well, what's what's happening here is very confusing He seems to be playing with the idea that you haven't played resident evil 8 And so he's like you get mad at someone pointing it out as a bait Right because that person was Baiting you and you took the bait even though it's like become a fucking annoying sentiment that you might not have actually played The game which is something this thread is supporting Well, it's schrodinger's bait like is it bait? Is it not bait? I just I why if you don't expect us to respond to you in chat Are you just talking to yourself? And I do wonder if someone in chat says with like no emotes just simply like more you stream for too long Like is that is it bait if I respond to it and they they go ha ha bait. It's like oh I don't understand. No, that's just that's just having a discussion and we're conversing and communicating with You know people I don't get it. So yeah, uh, kappa is your best friend milk Winky face use them if you want to be interpreted. It's text guys Like I don't know why you'd assume that everything is interpreted as sarcastic And then like judge someone for not picking it up when in reality It may very well be that you said something and you were like, oh fuck I probably shouldn't have said so. It's so stupid. Uh, it was a meme. You got baited. You're like Yeah, you got me So anyway, this person's obviously like sort of tooling with the idea that rags hasn't played the game He's not he's not he's not definitive yet But then he says rags proceeds to give an excellent demonstration of why you should never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake Oh, they're like, oh Oh, no, I'm excited. Doesn't that sound like hype generating? Like what did rags do? I yeah, I I am I I'm curious because I'm I'm not I kind of like to just hear this I know the the picture is up, but I'm not looking at it. I want to get this piece by piece Oh, sorry One thing I felt to mention about where's my thread is the over the course of all of efap I don't remember people saying more the references tlj too much, but where was the thread? I didn't see it Did anyone else Rags can't reference the video game. That's one of his most beloved and well known But I can reference stop talking about civil war when we talked about the I almost had the phantom the falcon and the winter soldier I don't I don't remember all that happening with Anyway, so this is it. Here we go rags attempted the name one example gambit But it's self-aware enough to immediately Sorry extricate his foot from his mouth along with himself from the topic when he realizes his error You see the name one gambit only works when you know the other party cannot name an example Like oh wow, this is exciting. I I just like what what is the example? What are we talking about here? And we go rags's mind immediately went to the reason the comic was made in the first place Which was a reference rags had made to something that does not even occur in the game regarding portraits Oh, oh Oh, it's not a really bad example. Wait. Wait. This is the perfect end to this It is not unreasonable at this point to question rags take on the game as he clearly is not an authority What I find interesting about the reference to the portraits is that I was wrong about the portraits in the detail that I was trying to specify but I I thought I had taken a screenshot of it, but I was and I was looking through my folder At the time but I guess shadow play for whatever reason didn't save the screenshot, which is annoying when it does that sometimes but I recall When in the part of the game it happens Where you have to go? I mentioned directions as to how to get there I mentioned that There was not the correct amount of portraits that there normally was in a certain area And my memory at least I thought that this was a reference to there wasn't a lady dimitres portrait And this was in heisenberg's area So I thought this was a really cool and nifty little detail That was in the game to show that heisenberg doesn't like her So he's not going to have her portrait up next to the others in his own area And he also doesn't have his own portrait up That was sort of the point and I was and I explained It was after the fight with a big hammer guy and after in the section afterwards where you're collecting all your goodies Odd thing to make up randomly If you didn't play the game But it just turns out that I I didn't remember it correctly and then actually her portrait was up Which is weird because I made a mistake In an attempt to praise the game But it turned out I was wrong so and oh well the thesis around all of this is that you're biased against The game this was complementing the game and he was wrong Yeah, why would you bring this up as an example like what is wrong with you? I remember when I played the game and I saw that and I was like oh And I hit the alt f1 to do the screenshot to save it because I'm like this is interesting I like this little detail it stood out to me and I remember specifically this point in my playthrough And it turns out I was it wasn't what I thought it was so yeah And this is such a minor detail that like if you told me You know, uh, do you believe metal has played the game four times in a row if he gets a detail like that wrong? I'd be like yeah Why would that decide anything? It's literally whether or not he remembered particular portraits were on a wall at some point Yeah, what the hell and like it's it's funny because I'm trying to think it's like are there any other examples of rags Getting anything wrong about resident evil 8 in the entire stream the 11 fucking hours of discussion Like I guess not because it would have been brought up right All they have is that you weren't sure if a portrait was up That's someone in chat during our stream said no, you didn't remember that right rags her portrait was up and I was like Oh, okay, then I guess the game's shit. It's like, okay. Well, I guess it didn't get that right I suppose. Oh, well, and it was a shame. I was deflated It was a neat thought because that's environmental storytelling gives you a little more And it's just stuff you see while you're walking around and it's not over game too much credit. I mean To draw anything to draw anything about that from rags like about rags his playthrough from that I'd be like, I guess he was paying attention to the details. He just misunderstood a part or misremembered a part Like what else can you conclude about this a fucking bizarre that this is being used as an example And the whole like you see the name one gambit only works when you know the other party cannot name an example You're like, oh my god, this is getting a little cringe. Anyway so Onto the constant comparisons and reference to re4 What a great game a lot of rags is criticism seem to boil down to re8 tries to be re4 But fails this is perhaps too reductive So I'll add that it is perfectly acceptable compare and contrast as equal to its predecessors But not when the comparison keeps boiling down to it tries to feel like it but it doesn't Yeah, that's not something I think rags would say It tries to feel like tries to feel like it but it doesn't unless it was in conclusion Yeah, generally references to re4 are made with the idea that the games are either regressing mechanically Or there are exist because resident before works for a myriad of reasons as I've mentioned before one of those being It's the peak of the series The best that the series has been Was a game that tested the limitations of what the game cube could do the game cube could do And it was great mechanically and the gameplay was great. Oh, yeah, and then you get to re village and you're like Oh, we've just regressed in basically everything Except graphically and that's really kind of sad Um and like we went through so many examples of things to compare From weapons to enemies to locations to puzzles to like like I what would be the point in referencing all of it Um rags didn't just say the game don't feel like resident evil 4 and that's bad Because that's a retarded fucking argument and rags would never make it. Yeah, sorry Yeah, there's there's no way I'd say that there because I don't know of any other game that feels like resident evil 4 but I like more than more games than resident evil 4 Now as thunder s is just so pointed out. I was I was gonna do it myself, but he's already brought it in We've gotten so many details wrong. Mr. Redditor. I'm starting to wonder if you can be trusted as an authority I don't think you've even seen this dream. I don't know that that's verifiable You little fuck When you said thunder s for a second there, I was like like a female thunder I was looking for that name in chat. I was like, that's interesting and then I was like, oh, it's thunder thunder s Ah, yes, of course. I yeah, I know him That's the thing if you're gonna give rags such little fucking good faith Why would anyone pay attention to the rest of the shit you have to say after all these mistakes like Good lord But you know what if apps never shine away from continuing still more Yeah, still more room in that coffin. Let's keep going. Yeah Hell, yes shovel out This shit take becomes more and more egregious on repeat viewings at the outset which shit take So the shit take of it tries to feel like re4, but it's not Which is just not fucking what you said, but oh well Um, by the way, if that was ever a literal thing you said, I imagine you said it in conclusion Yeah, because I could probably I think I could safely say that this game definitely tries to feel like resident before Everyone agrees on that segment and the water boss. I mean like yeah, it does this is well If resident evil 4 didn't exist resident evil 8 would have been something completely different again where the fuck is my thread I say this you said like I agree with you. Where's my thread? Everyone says this it's it's not even in question This is what the reviewers are saying. This is what everyone is saying That's that's the design of this game is to be like see this feels like that old game That's great. And even if you hadn't played it, you know, people say good things about it It's like everyone knows this so like why are you saying this like rags is the only person that believes this? Anyway, you're strange if you don't Gets more egregious on repeat viewing. So I guess this is the idea if you watch e-fap over You're gonna get even more annoyed with rags because just stop mentioning resident evil 4. You'll you'll shit can't be doing that At the outset rags shits all over the game claiming Every aspect of it is irredeemable with the exception of the graphics now before we continue irredeemable That was Yeah, I don't even know that we use the word irredeemable either of us Um, I know that we might have if I said irredeemable. I was probably being hyperbolic Yeah, like I said, I don't I don't know that we either of us use that word however Where is my thread because I said the only good thing about the game is possibly the graphics because I have issues with like everything else Where's my thread? Give me. Yeah, I deserve it. Yeah, because I'm like, that's what I said I only said I only had fun with it otherwise. It's broken. I'm pretty sure I said that. What's my thread? Yeah, where's mel's thread the fuck I feel left out metal commander the death of e-fap Yeah, racists Just because I'm drew rags is one of your friends outside It's one of my friends outside You're the barking Oh, do you he's probably like some you you pick on one of us you pick on all of us And then it's like the train scene from spider-man 2 You want to get rags? You get a goop through all of this bark Someone just thought I want us red too By the way, this is described as a hot takes like if you watch the whole stream It's not very hot by the end the the main person who really liked the game even said like yeah a lot of what you said is fair It's like about the credits that he's like I don't think it's a hot take at all I think the game is honestly one of the best examples of where gaming is going in the mainstream and it's a real shame It's really not hard to figure it out Molly you penguin get ready to be roasted on reddit someone wrote You're gonna make this thread now. I mean Uh a hot take which rags never really substantiates himself. It's like the last a fucking lie. You spent the whole Yeah, but I was 10 hours doing that shit Oh, no, but as usual relies on the other members of the stream to prove it for him Not a thing Not not a thing but I thought I talked for 40 percent of the podcast What I I wonder what I must have been talking about then I can explain it right so you right you go You know what the gameplay not not so great. You guys you guys. What do you think gameplay not so great and I go Yeah, uh, you know mechanically it's not you go. Yeah mechanically. It's not very sound. Yeah mechanically You know like mechanic. It's not really working out. Yeah mechanically mel. What do you think about the mechanics? The mel's like well, um, you know, like I didn't think the the bullet the gunplay was really Yeah, the gunplay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and you just kept talking over us every time we gave you a subject It was really annoying and it was terrible and everyone hated it It wasn't that you gave your own references examples from no time. You played it Plenty of insight comparisons. It's like nah If I was an expert, I would have had these references, you know mentally on hand. So but oh well, that's Uh, I didn't learn anything in my 23 hours with this game So and here you go This is in stark contrast to all the other members of the stream who had each named at least one redeeming feature Which they appreciated with the exception of moriarty. I'm stopping Didn't he just say that you said Everything's irredeemable with the exception of the graphics and then he says everyone else had at least one thing to appreciate Like it's like a one thing to me. Sounds like rags appreciate at least one thing. So Hmm Um, anyway with the exception of moriarty who actually opened with some meaty criticism regarding the poorly ported control scheme Yeah, we agreed with him. Um, and also that implies that the rest of the stream wasn't meaty The mechanics the gameplay and the storyline I remember sharing in the lamentation that he expressed when he said There's not even an fov slider and I said yeah, and I explained why I hated it so much. Yep And you know, it was probably my bad because I just figure everyone knows why it's bad to not have an fov slider So we didn't really elaborate but Yeah, if you want us to do that next time let us know fov sliders, I love them I think I gave my reason uh in particular was it was most notable when you are When you're up like pressed up against walls and cupboards and stuff and you're looking for things And you're so fucking zoomed in to the wall. It gets very it's frustrating to to play a game That's kind of like that and uh, yeah, I think it was always something I had an issue with but I never knew what my issue was until I was watching tall biscuit way back in the day And I was like, oh my god, that's what it is when I feel like my face is forward in games nice um in moriarty Most takes however were along the lines of indigo gaming's mention of how he appreciated the sluggish movement as it seemed to fit in with her horror survival horror survival genre Okay What else we got it was fine, I guess I one thing I didn't really like is how whenever you go to your map and you come back It stops your character and you have to start again Yes, this is part two of three Part two of three the third one small no worries Okay, don't wait. There we go now remember These guests are on rags's home turf and right from the outset rags has drawn the line If they were to say anything home turf. I know right I pissed on that hydrant Rags, don't you don't you pee on my couch. God damn it. It's mine now. I love this. He's fucking He's missed so many times. We're about to do it again So on rags's home turf and rags has drawn the line and if they were to say anything positive about it They would potentially be running afoul of his supporters in chat. That's you guys. He's criticizing you Fuck you guys Um, what's really interesting is um rags actually went last I did go last absolutely because we and I will generally go last because um We go it's I think the stream sorts things alphabetically So I will often be the last Yeah, I even made a joke that I could change my name to ah rags so I could go front I remember that but yeah, thank you guys pretty good So yeah, I'm used to going uh at the end and that's fine if I'm uh honestly at the back end I don't think that the uh members of that stream would appreciate The implication in this like whatever you thought you won't be crossing rags. Will you yeah, like Oh, excuse me. I feel like that's all from meme that went out of control Yeah, I thought that was a joke in rand lorian pretty much all the time Like some people think it's serious like people are afraid to disagree with rags Like you guys know how many memes come out of disagreements with rags Like what are you talking about your old nuts like well whenever I say you all Mainly mean the person who wrote this and agrees with it. That's kind of the yeah you But yeah, no everyone was afraid of rags. Okay. This is not necessarily how things would pan out But you must admit that this sets a very poor precedent at the beginning of the stream. No rags went lost Pay attention. I went last Yeah, I was in yeah when when someone was talking I I think it was john was said the gameplay was really excellent Stuff like that. I was like that was interesting for me to hear because of how wrong it was And we got around to the end and never sort of came up again But I um I and I heard what everyone had to say but it wasn't going to change what I was going to say And I and I poked him for it at the end I was like I just wanted to you know because he was the one that had the most positive perspective I wanted to know if it's changed his mind or if he had more subjects He'd like to bring up all my defenses and he was like no, I'm I'm happy with how the stream went. So it was like, am I right? Yeah, I don't know what else you want us to do I guess he was afraid of rags. I'll have to tell john that uh rags won't bite. Don't worry That feeling that you felt if you yeah, that was fear guys John on this stream one of them said he really liked the last Jedi. All right We let that he's loud. Okay. He's he wasn't afraid to say it. He said it Wow Yeah, I think about I think think about that when you go to sleep Someone can get away with saying they like the last Jedi in front of us. Can you believe it? I just imagine someone at night's like Um, the guests have no way of knowing how large a portion of the people watching are in fact free thinkers It would perhaps have worked if there was a I We don't encourage fucking echo chambery. Shit. We really don't we don't like it and part of that It's honestly reading chat and responding to chat. Like it's not very Um, you could do that in echo chamber chambery sense. Like lots of communities do But like do you guys know of as many communities as efap that we pick fights with the audience? That is not common for echo chamber communities. Absolutely not It's like they would advise you to not do it because it can affect your overall audience But that's not why we're here We are here for the discussion. Yeah We will pick fights with everybody that we essentially disagree with And you wouldn't want it any other way assuming you agree with us in terms of the goal Is figuring figuring shit out and talking about these things one of my most favorite things about streaming just reading for I mean, I'm not as big that I need to skip a lot of messages while I stream So I basically read every single stream message and that's like The most fun about streaming just reading all the things and just talk about stuff. Yeah It's like, yeah, that's that's great. And it's just like, ah, hey streaming And like I swear to god, it's the difference between if you read out super chat that says for example Um, this stream is crazy nonsense and I hate all of it. Fuck you guys you read that out and you go You know, I appreciate your perspective. Um, thank you so much for the donation I really wish, you know, I wish you'd enjoy it, but I guess, you know, if it's not working We'll just be like, okay, fuck you Next one like we don't like you either It's just like a much more down to earth responses because like that's I am not in the business of wanting to actually generate the power social stuff I find it all very toxic and um Having been a part of so many different communities over the years Just like, oh, I can end so badly for so many viewers when they Almost get coaxed into believing that all of it is kind of real Like you guys are my best friends, right? And it's like, no, stop There was uh, there was I can't remember who I was watching But it was like like those people can get really like the wrong idea big time if you Flower up everything instead of just being very much straightforward sort of thing Yeah, I made it absolutely. There's probably several posts on the subreddit now about me because of all the shit I've been seeing a penguin Being a penguin is the definitive proof that all it isn't a penguin um So anyway chat aren't free thinkers in some way to perform potentially It would perhaps have worked if there was a staunch opposition But in general the consensus was in that although it was an objectively a bad game It was a jacket about gaming is at least enjoyable That was pretty much the consensus but Again nine people like if we had done the podcast with just freeing myself rags and metal It would like the same thing probably would have been concluded Like I invited a whole bunch of people who had played the game I don't know what else you want. It's like because there's this implication running along It's like you you did it to avoid having people who disagreed. It's like I didn't I really didn't if that was our goal Wow, what a horrible strategy we chose. Yeah Yeah All right, so yeah, we're getting through this has been great so far So let's point out all of the points where I agree with rags on things. He said in the stream The game is bad The narrative is abysmal with many wasted opportunities to break the mold and move the franchise in a new direction Bullet sponge enemies are retarded one bullet one kill is preferable. All narrative criticism of the game is valid Oh, there you go rags There's a bone throne Nice. Yeah, there you go. I like the throne bone Now why would I bother mentioning any of these? Everything the bone zone everything listed here was mentioned By other members of the stream and it was done with more eloquence and substance. Wow Not true. That's just not that's just not fair. Like I don't even care. Well, that's just not true I'm just pretty good at what I do. It's laying like Why are you being such a dick? We all we all had loads of points to make rags talked like not 40% But plenty enough. He's very eloquent. That's the whole fucking reason. He does this shit so successfully. Okay? And the idea they had no substance. It's like, I guess we're running with the whole yeah, you didn't really play the game So what would you say rags? You just bouncing off everybody else Boo, just not true I don't mind rags and his odd hot take but nobody wants to sit and listen to his don beverage impression for 11 hours first off Don beverage is incredible Did I Don beverage impression for I did I think he's saying that you just talked and you didn't say anything But don beverage has many useful things. Yes, he does I'm offended don beverage is a fucking Chad. Yep. Well take this as a compliment then he says nobody wants to listen to you Do you don't beverage impression? I do Don't people in yeah, so I think it's great Now You guys get excited for the most salient example of how rags was simply shooting off at the mouth. Now, this is exciting I've been waiting for the king find a dollar the killer argument. Let's do it I present to you the Chad Fringy versus the team rags You know, you fucked up if your co-host loses it and calls you on your baseless assertions I fucking cheered out loud when Fringy pushed his shit in so far That he had to admit that he did not know what the hell he was talking about So we'll stop there. What when did that? I was about to ask when did that happen? So, uh, like I said before I don't remember all of this thread, but I've read it And it was with Fringy actually this morning He would be here, but he's asleep because he lives in fake land He's on the other side of the globe when I read this part out Fringy was confused He was like, what the hell is this referencing and I was like, I think it's the discussion about the re2 remake Everything was like all that was was for you just trying to find out if rags was talking about A presentable like objective flaw or a preference and he eventually got his answer. That was it Yeah, he was like he's but I He I even said like you're just gonna have to be disappointed that I didn't that I just don't like it And I wouldn't I explained why I didn't like it I just you're gonna have to get over it that I didn't like it everyone And um, uh, it was actually on metal stream yesterday But someone asked rags like why don't you replay the game so that you'll be able to refresh your reasoning for what it is You think is full of the game. It's like So there's a good reason why rags are not gonna want to do that, right? Yeah, I think I actually just said he said yesterday that he doesn't like it. Why would he do that? Yeah, I didn't like it when I first played it I even went back to try it again, and I really didn't like that either Why would I be miserable and play a game that I hate? And um, I could be playing games. I don't hate This is gonna happen eventually like fast forward. Let's say four years and resident evil nine comes out And someone in chat asks us in a super chat. Wait, you guys didn't like resident evil eight. Why? I it might be long enough that I'll be like, uh I just remember it being really shit. I don't know. It was just shit And if someone goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what kind of reasoning you're using that buster? I'd be like I don't I don't really remember. I remember what I felt about it. Yeah, like that's the best I've got and then they go Why don't you replay it then so you have your references like why don't I fucking rewatch and replay everything constantly? I guess right like what because I don't care about resident evil eight. I'm done with it Like also have to use the loo. I'll be right back. No worries. It rags. It's done with that one. And so, yeah And now he flees Was he scared? I'm gonna say what am I supposed to do now? We're supposed to have rags here to be able to listen to this dressing down of his character Oh, we're getting there chat. No worries um How you doing mel? I'm pretty good as people of people have noted you can hear simpson sit and run the background because guess what I'm playing When we're done with this and we catch a resident evil eight. Oh, yes resident evil hit and run You know, I was good chat. I was gonna play resident evil four But the pc vision like it won't let me use my mouse if I alt tab What's that about what's going on? I'm gonna have to look into it with all red or something rude. Yeah Maybe start it in a a bottleless windowed mode. That's probably a thing you can do very much so It's probably a steam command you can use Yeah, I picture there's gotta be something all I need is that someone else had the problem, right as long as someone else had the problem There's probably gonna be a solution Rags fleeing his utter destruction with facts and logic as usual Damn Yeah, I think I explained why I didn't like the game Pretty well Well, you're about to find out But you've been wrong for ages and you're also wrong now because this this this flow of it's coming in Oh my goodness gracious. This stream was filled with brown table tier shit takes like I didn't like the re2 remake because I did not like the re2 remake Oh get fucked rags. That's a brown table take when you say whether or not you like something you fucking What well it could be it could be that Or it could have been all of the reasons that I mentioned as to why I didn't like it But it could also have been this when Really, I feel like these people have been trained wrong when they listen to us So if I for example highlight reds and evil 8 didn't like it and the metals like oh man I can think of so many reasons. Why didn't you like it and I go I really don't like werewolves and vampires and stuff I find it really fucking tropion lame Like it's I just I've had enough of that in horror. I want something new And fucking hell when I went to the doll house Jesus Christ dolls are so played out and someone goes well I mean You know, I I didn't think it was like I thought it was really well done. I think it was tropey and I go Yeah, I did Oh Like if someone goes that's pretty subjective all I'd be like, yes Yeah, that's the point I just I just said I didn't like it. We regularly assume you guys can tell the difference But if we had to point it out every time it's like sure I guess to clarify that like if Bragg's highlights For example, mr. Axe chasing him around is annoying, which by the way, I found dm atraska annoying But if someone said like annoying, that's not really Not really a good argument moment. I'd be like not an argument. Really. I'm just saying how I felt It was annoying when she was chasing me when I was looking for stuff in the street. You can go see it um And so if someone was like wow, what a brown table take it's like brown tables allowed to say that he doesn't like something Or that he likes something We've never like said you're not allowed to do that If you present it, however, as evidence of the thing being well made is simply that you like it Oh vice versa. I actually like yeah, that's not very strong as a argumentation wise The opposite could yeah, but but if you're if you're if your position is I didn't like it And you give your reasons that is a really good explanation as to why you didn't like it Yeah, and that's literally all that was and it's amazing to me That like this is the reference like this is the thing that kills rags He said he didn't like re2 remake and he mentioned a couple things he didn't like and found annoying Amazing and before you jump to rags defense here, it's like already done buddy, but we'll carry on It's fine. We can pause you whenever because you're in text form Let me just ask you this Would rags have let that slide or would he have pushed the claimant for his reasoning? Yes, I did paraphrase here, but that is essentially what the tangent boiled down to the rags. Let's run the scenario Um, okay, you uh, you like what's that? What's that movie? Like you're gonna show me one day probably that uh, he says like one of your favorites Legend or no Excalibur. No, no, it was like a foreign language film. I think masquerade. That's it. So If I told you one day I um I watched see it doesn't work as well because we know each other so well Um, because because of course I would have reasoning for you and you would know that So it doesn't like this doesn't work as well as an example But I guess we've already brought up one when john said he didn't like tlj. Oh, he did like it. We're just like, yeah, okay We're not we're not talking about that. Yeah, it's like, yeah If someone said they didn't like something I liked I like depending on what it is For it like if someone didn't like the imaginary him of dr. Parnassus I mean, I totally get it. That's a weird movie that then forever any it isn't for everybody But if someone said they didn't like terminator two You know or empire strikes back. I would be very curious legitimately curious as to why they didn't like it I think that could be very insightful. Yeah, similarly if I said I didn't like masquerade when I watched on my own I'm sure rags would be like why though like what's the what happened? What is the guy? I'm super curious if I said don't really want to talk about I just didn't really like it I'm sure you'd be like kind of disappointed, but you're really okay Yeah, I mean I can't if someone clearly doesn't want to talk about something or have much of an interest in it like I don't I don't really know how juicy this conversation is going to get Yeah, like I don't know why you pictures happens with you in conversations It's like, oh, we all watched, you know Separately, uh, let's say captain marvel He'll jump into a call and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna probably make my video and then fringy comes in He's like, yeah, I saw it and rags like what do you think he goes? I didn't really like it But I don't I don't really want to go any more detail. I don't even remember much of it that rags just like gets ravenous He's like no fringy. No, you will give me your fucking reference explain yourself. Tell me I had you you need to explain yourself Which is pretty funny, right? Because if anything like I don't I don't think what I'm about to say is pretty unreasonable I think Fringy would agree with it But if anything Fringy was that person in the stream He was he really wanted reasoning from you even though you said you didn't like it and it's pretty much As far as it's gonna go, um, but I don't necessarily have a problem with that because fringy was just clarifying Right, but if someone made the claim like let's say they flipped Rags and bringing that conversation. I imagine that would have been in this thread Like you can see fringy's just oh undoubtedly He doesn't like the thing but rags just insists and insists So yeah, really really weird and um, yeah, just reading this account of my friend I'm like, uh, it doesn't really match up with the guy. I know No, the the shows we've ran but What would I know? Again, I just I'm gonna have to read all the threads about me soon enough because like I'm just I'm so guilty of all of this as well Surely Hey, golly. So Uh, where are we let that slide blah blah blah Rags is why we can't have nice things So that's why I steal the things you love. I ruin art. I ruin my mom's mom Everything I find it interesting because like Man, we've had some really awesome videos on eFab. If you go to like You know like the dceu arc. That's been some fun shit It's like well rags was in those so I guess they they were shit. Um, hmm moulon the back the back to back moulon That was really good, but rags is in that so kind of in that Rags stop ruining things ghost busters. That was funny. Well rags was in it Um, there was an accident at first, but then I learned I liked it I got a taste for it and I was done my fate was sealed Oh, hey one of the one of the fan favorite eFabs 93 the Lord of the Rings. Ah, you were in that Oh, yeah I think I was an all but one or two Well, I guess there's only one or two good ones Oh, well, that must have been really good if they've stuck around hell. Yeah, you know, uh So let me qualify that by directing you to a very special stream eFab 99 Now if for any of you don't remember eFab 99 was a meme fap and we had internet historian jump on I think halfway through or at least from the beginning to halfway through something like that EFAP was graced by the presence of the internet historian Kind of a big deal and a great opportunity from all to grow his channel by association. That's not really I don't really care if you believe me This is so funny I think we talked about us in the beginning when you started to get some traction and people came on We're like, oh, thanks for bringing me on and we were like after the girls like wait, that was weird. Why did you do this? We're just hanging out. Yeah. Yeah, uh What you what mel means by that in case anyone's like a little bit lost So we have always done casual gaming streams on each other like on my channel or mel's channel We'll just hang out in chat. That's just something we constantly do I would invite like let's say I'd rather not name anybody in case that it somehow feels like it's it's shaming them It's totally normal behavior But we would invite a couple of different people from a couple of places they come on We'd be like, yeah, what are you doing? We just talk about video games and then like for two hours and then you know Mel'll be like right end of the stream it ends and then they're about to leave the discord call and they're like Thank you so much for letting me on Yeah, we'll be really confused. There's like, oh Yeah, sure strange for us. This is where you get to school calls real chill. Um Internet story and um, I can't remember if idm him or pdm me But he was just like want to chat about uh loss of us too. I think at some point and I was like, yeah, sure Uh, we've got a slot here jump on if you want to And uh, and he did So ifa was graced by him a kind of a big deal and a great opportunity He's like, yeah the internet historian is notoriously apolitical and shuns any discussion that veers in that direction Usually by pointing out that he's not an american and thus not involved What does rags do? He can't keep his political opinions in his pants for one stream and the internet historian notes the fuck out to Never be seen again Oh, my political opinions ranks isn't a story was on efap 100 He was on efap 100 That's 100 comes after 99 Oh, you're right. I mean, that's just your opinion. That's all And the uh The the time he came so efap 99 it would have been lost to us too. We were talking about Um, I can't remember specifically what the conversation was but This is something that a lot of people behind the scenes just have to generate stories when the answers are really mundane so When kingdom of heaven is released as an efap movies one day in the many years of future You'll find that three quarters in critical drinker just drops out and he doesn't come back Now as a viewer you might be like, wait a minute. Let's rewind 10 minutes What did anyone say and you hear metal say something like, huh? I'm so bored and you'd be like, wow So by declaring this film is boring He's pissed off critical drinker and critical drinker will never speak to metal ever again. That's probably what happened Yeah, nice one metal. Maybe keep it in your fucking head next time idiot But what usually happens I never wear pants is the as you should people don't tend to announce What's going on? They usually write it in the groups we're in and then I write back And it's like so good and they they happen all the time Usually offer if they want an outro or not and they often will be like, I'll just slip out and then we'll be like, oh, yeah We'll see the way. Yeah, it's all good um I don't remember internet historian ever having left on bad terms at any point with any of us. It's like it's a little bit weird And um, yeah, there were super weird powers that after efap 100 which he was on for a while by the way more than I expected I even uh, I think I sent a message being like, um We have to cycle people So as much as I love, you know, everyone jumping in and stuff We've got people waiting, you know, and which sucks by the way on efap 100 because you try well any year streams So um after the stream was over as well, I was like, uh You know really everything went fucking well efap 100 was awesome And um, I can't remember which movie it was But we were supposed to watch one of them with the internet historian and I'd lined it up But um, I had to reschedule And then uh, he couldn't make it to the time We actually got it ready with other people and he just said uh to skip it So you'll see more of him in the future, but the thing with efap is that We don't just toss people in randomly We usually wait for how they're gonna line up with interest in some way like they want to do it like yms For example, he um, whenever we watch an efap movies of a movie that's like really dumb I'm like, oh, he might be interested But if he's seen it recently or if he has no interest in it or if he's really busy It's a no and that's fine. And then I'll be like well What else in the list we go maybe to work with and it's just like, yeah Things just kind of happen the way they do and people can get like a a weird assumption for example, like the uh If everything in the resident evil arc released all in a row, which we kind of plan to do Someone might get the impression of like is theo and moriartia They're just going to be on every episode of efap now. It's like well, no They're just on the resident evil ones. Yeah and some others And that's gonna happen with uh each of the arcs We we're trying to get a gun to have like sort of groups so that they can have the Memory of the journey if you will as well as having a particular interest in the topic in some way So I find this weird that like I don't remember this happening at all, but um The topic on efap 100 was at least partially political But it wasn't rags as fault from what I remember It was we were covering a video that went into trans issues because of the last of us too from jim sterling So like I don't see like like if the video brings up A topic and it's something that any person may or may not have an opinion on I can't remember what specifically they might be referencing because I know that um Sargon was on the third part of 100, right? I think yes, I think yeah And we had aiden paladin on at one point. This is the thing about efap It is impossible for us to keep cycling and guests and not have anybody who runs a channel That's almost explicitly political. It's not gonna happen And plenty of people run dual channels now stitch and adam, for example Their stream is political Exclusively, but I you know, I like having them on here talking about media And uh, if someone was like, oh man, it's getting a little political or something. It's like, I mean, yeah It's gonna happen a little bit. Yeah, it happens sometimes. I don't think we say anything particularly crazy though and so If you don't see someone for a while There's no need to generate a conspiracy about how they must hate us. It's like you're okay You'll see internet historian again Um, you'll see plenty of people again. In fact, there's a growing amount of efap content that is sitting on my hard drive waiting to be edited So lots of stuff to come So anyway Uh, where are we? Political opinions She knows fuck out. Good job rags. I don't mind political discussions. Hell molla isn't even averse to them having joined streams with er at all I've never actually joined a stream that er was on. I've had er on here Yeah, I didn't even know I didn't even know he streamed. I don't think he does And then why wouldn't you just reference the fact that I went on with stitch and adam? That's like the easy one Yeah Okay, uh, but there's a time and a place and rags inability to read social cues paired with his chronic lack of social Intelligence never fails to fuck things up my lack of social intelligence. Oh something. I'm constantly. Oh, yeah. Yep. Oh my goodness Constant constant problem one of the last things that I would criticize about myself as my lack of social intelligence Then daddy molla has to swoop in and recontextualize the verbal diarrhea rags just spewed again Go back and rewatch any efap where rags is a hot take that you can't back and see how quickly molla swoops in to save his friend so Whether or not that has even happened. I am totally fine with finishing a statement say for example I'm not referencing this for any reason But let's say someone asked me to explain the dunning kruger effect and I didn't do a particularly great job I wouldn't mind a friend swooping in to give a better explanation to make it clearer Because that's not a bad thing Yeah And if I were to do that for anyone of the cast here to explain something that they've just explained But in a way that I think will be more uh straightforward for an audience member or at least just to make sure that shouldn't be bad either That doesn't sound right. Well, this is what I mean. It's like I'm already lost because like the claim is already something I don't consider bad. So I'm just like so What's the problem? And I like how he says whenever you have a hot take that you can't back up like Yeah, I'm curious when that happens I mean Especially one where I'm actually being super serious about it Um, so well, I mean it looks like we're gonna get some examples potentially. So let's let's keep on going He's an example from 138 when someone in chat asks rags about the arbitrary amount of headshots It should take to kill a zombie. What does a little scrappy do do? Let me add a monkey scooby Imagine the irony of rags complaining about a snarky comment only to be rescued once again by daddy mohler Who does the mature thing and basically just gives the correct answer which boils down to one bullet This is wrong for so many reasons because I remember this is wrong for many reasons But you did say the thing that you'd rather have little ammo I did I use daisies as an example And your example explicitly was because your weapons feel super weak if you shoot a zombie 10 times in the head on a normal difficulty Absolutely Chat see in my brain is dumbo and I remember that I'm pretty sure chat remembers this because the key word that I remember From your description rags was anemic Anemic that's feel anemic and what you were referencing was just uh Literally just like when you have to spend so many of them They don't feel very powerful on their own and then I said for clarification to the comment Right not to improve rags's argument I was annoyed at the comment if you remember like to call what I did mature I'd be like well, I mean I was I was being snarky. I don't even know if it's snarky I was being aggressive to the commenter I was annoyed that he had responded to rags like that because it reminds me of all the bad faith Shit we had for all the resident evil rags says my bullets don't feel very powerful and I want them to The response is okay, then mr. Doggo. How many shots should it take for a zombie to die? It's like okay, so that's essentially what the comment was. Yeah. Oh, tell us what the correct number is for headshots Yeah, it's not addressing the spirit of what you said So all I did was immediately present an extreme to get this person onto the same wavelength Which is if it cost a thousand fucking bullets to kill a zombie and you had a hundred thousand Like do you really think your bullets are gonna feel fucking powerful? It's like we can all agree. No So we wanted to reduce it and the idea that it takes six to eight or something like that Headshots to kill the random lowest level enemy. It's like yeah, your guns feel pretty fucking weak Like that that's just that's a criticism that you can make for gun feel gunplay Yep, and also I think I am totally within my right to respond in kind Yep, it is bizarre to me this idea of I can't take it When I am meeting it head on and responding to it directly And not just letting it slide when I think that's bullshit Oh, hell, yeah Part of um, we've talked about how you approach different people in different ways Like I'm not approaching this fucking thread with like 100 peaceful non swearing very civil responses. Like no, you've been an asshole We're gonna be an asshole to you. It's like you've earned it There's someone went like but more that's not very professional. I was like Even we have a shit like no, we're just we're literally random people who play video games watch movies and talks about it And then some random person is like rags has no social intelligence that you expect him to be like Well, you know, that's a fake critique. I understand. I'd like to you know address that No, fuck you you have no social intelligence about that. Fuck you Simple I don't know why I would be shocking. Um So yeah, I don't know why I'm being referred to as the one who swooped in to save you And did the mature thing when all I said was the same thing you said just trying to point push them to stop being like An asshole to actually address what you were saying Because it it might sound good on paper like rags. What is the correct amount of bullets to go into a zombie? But of course you were just referencing fucking six to six plus is too many You're guns. Yeah, I feel like six headshots from a 1911 With no basically nothing else in the combat. It's kind of it's dull and it's boring and it's shitty and I hate it And it's not fun This is the problem when when you got all these criticisms from a viewer that apparently was paying fucking One percent attention against three people who are actively in the entire discussion And it was like yesterday or whatever day before yesterday These references are dreadful because we have memory Like I don't don't tell you. I know right? It's terrifying And then on other occasions He would go through the time and effort of reading out a message in chat before dismissing it with what a worthless comment If you are not going to offer a counter Why waste everyone's time reading it out you fucking brainlet Oh, what a worthless comment. It's not wasting my comment time. I enjoy wasting is not time wasted But there's the aspect of I want to highlight this because of how bad it is And generally when I highlight a comment like that and that's my response. It should be self evidently stupid of a comment Um I'll do this as fast as I can I guess so What what are reasons rags would do this that don't like let's find out who the fucking brainlet is shall we So one positive highlighting that chat is misbehaving making very very terrible arguments or comments when we think better of them Two rags wants to make everybody in the cast laugh, which he did when he delivered that I think rags is aware of when you read out a full comment that sounds like ass and then you go A worthless comment. It's funny. There's a nice little comedic twinge there thirdly How do you know that rags knew it was a worthless comment before reading it? How do you know that rags wasn't reading it for the first time you fucking brainlet? Got him some of these I'll I'll read part of and not finish the rest and then as I read them out I'm experiencing it for the first time with everybody. I love the anger He has for you doing this when there are plenty of reasons for you to have done it I simultaneously cannot take criticism and yet I meet it head on all the time You also talk all the time, but you don't make any points Except for the ones that you made that he agreed with it's fucking Yeah, but it's hard to keep track of all of you So Does this mean I hate I like that he says this as if we're in conclusion. It's like I'm sorry Those were your points now that I've proved everything that I'm saying wonderfully. Wow Fucking amazing. So does this mean I hate rags? No and before you respond with you don't care Well, let me just add that I don't mind that you don't care parasocial relationship. Sorry one-way street, buddy I don't view these guys as performing monkeys though. I'm not snapping my fingers asking you to create content for me Okay, I don't know what has to do with anything in you. Okay, weird tangent Okay Like if you're trying to imply like that there's almost a sense of A just like an imperative on rags part in this like to rag stop doing all of these things Like you've not made any arguments that are valid. So there's nothing for us to take seriously So It's like we can't even draw that out of it If rags outright admits on stream that he's too fucking lazy to complete his own projects And that he's letting his own channel languish on purpose I sure as hell don't mind it as long as you're prepared for your e-fap stream. I don't give a damn Um, what so I guess this part is just like Rags like this is an attack on me because I'm not making videos on my channel right now It seems to me the background and you have So like there's a reason why I've pretty much taken to they'll be out when they're out and I work on them when I can And I I'm very I very specifically don't really talk at all about what's going on in my personal life with All the things that go into that Also, it's not your business I'm sure e-fap would have realized it by now, but my descriptions of what work I'm doing have become more vague as time has gone on And it's literally because I hate I don't want to disappoint people I hate not only disappointing, but I hate getting interrogated from the few details I give It's like, uh, this thing is happening and I have to just like wait. Well, how long is it? Well, when is it coming out? What is it? Say for example? I work on a particular project and then something takes over Let's say Hypothetically a film comes out and I watch it and I think it's incredible and I write a script relatively quickly And I read draft it over and over and then I get the the video running I'm really excited about it Without context, someone might be like, well, have you continued work on that other video you were talking about? And I'm like, I mean I'm doing a different thing now and then someone gets really upset. It's like, wow, you switch projects again, huh? I can't can't be handling that You're just never going to get anything out and then I'm just like What if I just stop telling people what I'm working on and then videos come out So there is none of this weird in between with people getting disappointed and confused about what's happening when And uh, yeah, so I guess that's a I don't think that's the point. He's making I think he's saying he doesn't care what you're doing as long as you're prepared for the streams Which is really interesting because as you guys know I'm a I'm a I can be a bit of a dick with the whole like if we're gonna cover something I want you guys to be fresh on it now. Yeah, I'm a bit of a hitler. I will be honest Hey rags. I required that you complete the game I know I and I and I did and here's the thing I knew that I would disappoint Mahler if I did not prepare for this game discussion If the criteria was pretty much just beat the game Yeah, and I'm not gonna I don't I'm not gonna disappoint him like that and let down everyone else who was hoping for my commentary on it Like I just I love this idea that I would invite people who have haven't even fucking played the game It's like, why would I do that? What would be the point? Yeah So, well, you know, you just try to as he said earlier in this comment He's like that's I brought six people on because none of us are experts Weirdest comment in this whole thing um And as rags is so often want to point out to other online commentators This is his job. Is it really too much to expect him to familiarize himself with the subject matter of the stream? But I am yes, he did. Yeah, he proved it more than thoroughly as we all you fucking do Yeah, like I know more than most people the vast majority of people who have played this game I know more about it than they do because you specifically played it knowing in mind that you are going to be analyzing it Yeah, I played it for 23 hours not just to enjoy But knowing that I would be doing a stream talking about it And so I paid attention to the game with that in mind And so I want like I want you guys to understand here This was his evidence to prove and you can see how aggressive he's been right now that this is definitive Rags, can you fucking know anything about Resident Evil 8? And it's like You didn't prove this you made up a bunch of shit. Yeah, you have to you should really give like examples Or something or examples of they can't even be examples. They have to be examples that are specific to me and are correct Uh someone said that you with cyberpunk 2077 You guys didn't finish the game and that was like a disappointment. I don't see we were never gonna be able to finish that game We didn't finish that game what a nightmare We I'm pretty sure we were explicit about the time we spent with it and then what we thought of it And that's the best we could do because like good gods that game was just not Resident Evil 8 one of the first things I said to you guys as a point of praise. It works That's good So well it worked while I was streaming. I got a really good frames. It was like, I'm happy. This is working well Unlike are you okay? Like near replicant which ran like as well. I was streaming but that's that's yeah Yeah, if cyberpunk ran really well and we were all enjoying it You probably would have gone like an additional e-fap where we had way more context But all of I'm pretty sure all of us Did I say four mel? Did you play at all? Uh, what sorry cyberpunk 2077 or you? Oh, no, I didn't even buy it. Yeah I would have only bought it Yeah, I would have I like that I was never interested in the game I was never hyped for it. I was like, oh, I guess if it's good, I'm going to check it out And then everyone said oh my god. So fucking broke. It's like, oh, well, I guess I get up to the bullet another thing That stream is probably way more Applicable of criticism than the re8 one. We knew that like re8. We'd spent so much time with that game between us Um, um cyberpunk. We talked about as much as we could with what we knew about what we had played And we made that very explicit But I was gonna say myself rags and fringy I believe none of us have rebooted that game or booted it back up. I mean since I have not played it since December 19th Yeah Put us off So, uh, yes rags, um part of EFAP in general is being familiar with the subjects. Otherwise, what the fuck is the point? I'm here for discussion. I'm not going to invite rags on when he hasn't either played or watched the thing We're talking about Uh in some way shape or form So the final part would be silly If you are not knowledgeable at the very least Facilitate your guests who are actually knowledgeable then instead of assuming the base american condition Which is that of peculiar blend of smugness arrogance and above all ignorance Now I don't know about you guys like americans I was gonna say I don't know about you guys But what do you think that we've consumed recently as a form of media that represents smugness Arrogance and above all ignorance I would vote this fucking thread Oh, oh my goodness gracious g I guess so incorrect But it's so smug about how incompetent of but it's so incorrect and it makes no points And it's hypocritical and contradictory and I guess I mean no one would post this to the internet publicly No, no No, I find rags tolerable when he is knowledgeable and informed on a topic. He is crucial to those Yeah, I mean that would have to be an example because you were he is crucial to those rare occasions When more or needs to play good cop to a hostile guest up until this stream I had assumed that rags domain was predominantly video games But has become apparent why he's so often the fresh perspective on whatever media is being discussed He simply does not consume much media other than apparently resident evil 4 Oh my goodness. Oh Well, I've had like over a decade to consume resident evil 4. So that helps I don't I don't want to understate how valuable I find it that you've not seen a lot of movies that we end up covering It's wonderful because of how unbiased you can be as a result because like Me and fringy all the time. You were showing me stuff yesterday. Like you haven't seen this before. I'm gonna show it to you Yeah, you literally were showing me clips from a show yesterday that I hadn't seen so Me and fringy we watched the dc movies as they came out and we know about all the discussions about them surrounding them We know all the memes we know like what everyone was saying We know all the standard criticisms which by the way if you've watched my ukulele series or my outlast series or whatever You'll find I really don't like it when everyone echoes each other's points It gets really fucking boring And so rags what he's brand new can just react because there's no expectation in relation to anything Really fun because he can just say shit that he thinks There's no like I need to check the other reviews to know what I think first like nope I just watched some out of steel and he says, you know what that was shit Yeah, all of that's all of the dc E-faps of us doing movies. That was my first time watching it And uh, yeah, you you get different results different times different people like of course none of us had seen Uh, the new Mulan when we all watched it um And I would argue it creates pretty fun reactions when none of us have seen the thing before Um, but of course, I'm not really addressing the spirit of the comment And that is that rags has consumed so little media that he has not very insightful things to say on any of it Which is so fucking untrue, but what can you do? You had me fooled. Yeah Well, that's because I have terrible awareness of social cues that my ability to fool people excellently, um I have been called a well both sociopath and psychopath, but hey Yeah, it'll be tomorrow. I remember it came up in the the little hope Stream right people were like wow rags is like criticized the main character of having like ptsd or some shit When we were just collectively shitting all over how shit the writing wasn't the game But it's just like that game, dude So people I mean that's a common theme people just draw some shit man out of stuff because like Rags your domain is like I don't I don't I don't it's media We're all media critics like the idea that like our molars is movies metals is fucking I don't know 2d games what he has is three no friggy is 3d games I just be like I don't think so. I think we're all pretty well-versed in movies games tv shows While storytelling and mechanics and gameplay like there was never a Uh wait, we got to get muller on to make sure if we're gonna be talking about cartoons No Maybe chase with anime That's about it. I think So, yeah, I don't really know what to make of this. Um, I guess you just gonna have to highlight times where Like throughout the entire history of efap where it's predominantly just rags talking about things he's never seen It's like I don't think it happens Um all that often i'm gonna be honest me neither. Yeah So in a nutshell, that's what went wrong with this stream And if you've at all bothered to read this muller, which I doubt you will But on the off chance that you do if you would like to avoid another instance where you so dislike a tangent between your host That you're unwilling to play the elevator music perhaps you should muzzle Perhaps you should muzzle your dog Muzzle your dog. Wow. First off that is racist. I wouldn't stand for it. How how this disgusting racial bigotry so Elevator music if you chat if you remember I said no music with the muller rage in chat when you guys were asking for Elevator music I explained this in like an older efap, but I'll do it again Elevator music was a meme generated from when rags and wolf would have arguments that have absolutely fuck all to do With the thing we're talking about and they were usually amusing Yeah, I would play it Now when I think the first time someone was arguing that wasn't either rags or wolf were Revolved and I think people were like elevator music. I remember being like, hmm I don't know if I want to play the elevator music. It's kind of like their theme in a way And so I'd like I prefer maybe if I could do someone else And southpaw sent me a link to the kevin mcleod I keep forgetting what it's called. It's like jumping monkeys flying monkeys monkey circus It's just I type monkeys kevin mcleod. I always find it um That is the song for when things are going awry in and with a smirky face And the last time I used it was the wizard sorcerer debate Which was pretty funny and the music fit perfectly now Perhaps you're wondering wait. So why didn't you play the flying monkeys music when rags and fringy were talking about re2 remake? Like mechanically and their perspective on it Like oh for the same reason. I didn't play it for the whole stream That was a conversation about a game that was relevant to the topic Why would I play it that makes no sense Like see I played it when they were talking about goop Literally goo versus snow. He brought it like yeah, that is the perfect time like I know I know it sounds really dumb that I've thought about when I'm going to be playing the music, but I have It's not random. There's not whenever people request it um I I pick and choose the times and so There's this implication in the sentence That the person who wrote this is so fucking dense that because I didn't play the music They think that I was upset by the conversation rags and fringy had Hmm It was amazing and this is a remnant of conspiratorial thinking. It's like what the hell is wrong with you people Like why do you assume crazy shit from like very mundane events? And then perhaps you should muzzle your dog. I don't know. Fuck you muzzle yourself Yeah, this is all you gotta be spewing online. I don't know Um, so and from what I understood he he made an edit Uh after some comments came in so I'll link that to you folks You gotta Edit one of the major points often brought up in the comments The fact that I omitted rags is playthrough of r e five with more that not not just that one But the littlest fight. Yes, you've omitted one of the most obvious ones Which makes it even worse that I actually watched it. I did not recall them ever finishing it I should have done my due diligence here You know, that's actually a good bit of advice. I would say for myself to uh Provide I will not go back and make the correction in the main text above because that would be dishonest I want the context of the comments below to make sense truth matters. Excellent thumbs up The second point of contention is my claim that rags scared off the internet historian e five ninety nine I've been corrected in the comments this incident occurred in 100 and someone in the comments was kind enough to find that No, it never happened He was never scared off by rags. That's not a thing that happened He left because he ran out of time and we were cycling guests like the this I don't remember internet historian being like I cannot Deal with you rags. You're so like frustrating in your political opinions. I must flee. It's like nah But you yeah, you got that wrong too, but okay these corrections aside I stand by my points and that was it. That's all the corrections. That's it it was two Something right an attempt was made you can call it progress. Um, they do not detract from my argument. Yes, they do But okay, we do It is however important that an argument should be factual redraft redraft. I wish you had done that Um, if I could find the time I should like to add timestamps But bear in mind that efab 138 has only been out for a little over 72 hours at the time of this was posted That level of due diligence takes time and this is not my full time job So then maybe don't make the post so then why don't release this yet. Fuck me man You could have waited now That was a really shitty thread and it annoys me more than just how much you've got wrong person who wrote this because What you've done is stimulate all of the fucking crazy people who hate rags There's so many people in the thread who are like, yeah, I knew it fucking rag Yeah, I didn't watch the show and I know rags is ruining it. Oh god. I hate rags. Yeah You know what this sounds just like rags from everything I know about rags like fuck off all of you No, everything he told you is fucking wrong. It's like this is ridiculous and it doesn't help Because there's this sentiment, right? Whenever a creator responds to the community in any way shape or form It's like a knee-jerk reaction with the community to be like, wow You guys can't take criticism. Yeah People just criticize and you can't just accept it. It's like, well, it depends on the criticism I've we've done this for two hours. I originally intended 40 minutes, but you know, that's how No, well no I feel like this thread is so fucking dishonest and bad faith And built entirely on a bias against rags that it's actively harming not like obviously the red the red It's screwed like it's it's full of people who like eat this shit up It's got over 100 points in like a half a day. What the hell is wrong with you people? Did you watch the episode like it shouldn't require us a lot to dismantle all of this you should know And uh, yeah enough, okay You you you like I get this sentiment that uh a slot doing our job You can find points feel like you've failed here. You succeeded here. This is something you should work on Time for you to realize that operation goes in reverse As well where we notice the shit you guys are doing and we're like you got to stop this All you've done. This is two hours that we didn't need to spend on this We could have been responding to super chats instead. We're trying to quell a growing anger in the subreddit That's all built on bullshit It's bull it is it is bullshit all of this shit is wrong and there's just no evidence for any of this Fucking frustrating because like there's other things we need to be doing But if we don't deal with it, we're like, well, that's just another thing they ignore and they and they think we haven't noticed There's loads of fucking comments that are like, uh, yeah mall is never going to address this Mall is not oblivious to this, right? He sees what rags is doing, right? I can't believe he's enabling him. Oh Good god. He's even worse because he's letting it happen It'll only spread as as everything seems to and then people, you know, and this is the thing Uh, I think I said like I think that don't take this too personally chat, right? You know, I do like you the reason I have you on the screen But I think that the worst chat performance might be re8. It's between that one and the boys And um, yeah, it was pretty bad The the reason I like you guys so much is because of all the stuff you say and how useful it is But if it starts to fail or you start posting useless bad faith annoying or downright destructive shit It's like we got to point it out. You got to point it out on our end too. Nice old synergy What makes this show pooch right along the train tracks? so Not cool Okay, do better as a legendary superhero once said in a show that was very much virtuous do better now I couldn't possibly have summarized better than a lot of people in the comment section Because this is the thing read it. I do kind of hate you But at the same time there's a lot of people with good brains on their shoulders in there And a lot of people were like this thread's not very good actually Because this and this is before we did this stream, right? Some people had already noticed and there was a comment That um, since I've talked so much rags, would you would you like to read this one out? And since it's long you might want to just give it a look You might want to just read the whole thing instead of like stopping and because it's a big one Let's take a look. Let me get a drink of my ubiquitously present tea. Yes I'm a present. Sorry. I'm a present in my view This observation on e-fappers You bring up can be traced all the way back to when the TLJ videos had just been released It was this series of videos that put Mahler on the map so to speak And I also think it was those videos that were responsible for the creation of two primary camps in his viewership The TLJ videos made Mahler popular because he is providing a very long Justifiable explanation for why TLJ was a poorly written movie I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate that the vast majority of people who watched through And enjoyed the entirety of the TLJ videos went into the series already hating the movie Mahler earned fans by providing a logical breakdown of why he viewed the movie as a very poorly written As very poorly written. However, I think those fans came in two types On one hand You had people who had who became fans of Mahler's work Because of their interest in the manner by which he conducted narrative analysis and formed conclusions These were people who truly appreciated his pioneering of objective analysis At least on a large platform and showed interest in seeing other media broke down in the same way to form Measurable conclusions regarding the quality of said media This is the group you likely appreciate On the other hand You had people who became fans of Mahler's work solely because he provided them justification for why something they already hated was poorly written These people subjectively hated the movie although not necessarily without objective complaints And were just looking for someone to justify how they felt These people in my estimation Don't actually care for much care much for objective analysis as a concept Rather they simply enjoy having an authority to justify their subjective feeling towards the work I think it is this type of fan who cares not so much for the quality of arguments and more so for simply the feeling Justified in their perception of a film whatever that justification may be Obviously the former group has stuck around because they enjoy the analysis aspect of Mahler's works I think that latter group has stuck around however Because Mahler just tends to dislike media for objective reasons that they also tend to dislike for subjective reasons Again, this authority providing objective reasons for why something they dislike is bad makes them feel Validated in their emotional conclusions Even though they actually care very little for the actual reasoning and are simply happy that someone has reached the same conclusions Through the use of more analytical means than they did through just surface level viewing and emotional response It is this second group that I think caused a lot of the issues related to the efap chat Going crazy when the hosts say they dislike something that is generally well received by audiences The fans who don't care much for the actual analysis Just subjectively like the material and are frustrated that they don't have an authority to justify their emotional response with objective observations Meanwhile the group of fans who actually enjoy objective analysis as a method and concept Usually are more intrigued than upset and willing to hear the host's point of view I think this divide in the fan base is the reason that southpaw is somewhat of a divisive figure Whether right or wrong in his analysis He tends to only go after media traditionally well received by audiences like spider-man 2 Meeting he immediately alienates the group of Mahler fans who simply like having their emotions validated If I had to guess I'd say that the reason you've observed a lesser focus on quality arguments lately Is because of the increasing portion of the second type of fan compared to the first As the efap fandom grows I think it becomes more and more difficult to add additional fans who actually enjoy objective analysis As opposed to those looking for opinion validation because the larger the fandom gets the more mainstream it gets Meaning you're shrinking the proportion of the niche group that in-depth breakdowns like objective analysis appeal to in comparison to the common folk I also think the increased prevalence of fans watching simply because they enjoy a funny podcast is likely somewhat to blame as well That's just my take on the situation though Sorry for the long post. I know i'm a long-winded writer oftentimes to my detriment I think this is a bit of a long response for even Mahler fans to be subjective to my apologies my apologies So uh quick clarification With with southpaw it's not about like finding things people love and destroying them It's he's he's got a he's like this in microcosm today He he very much believes that a lot of people in the efap audience are very hypocritical No, I can't think of any reasoning for why he might have concluded that in any way shape or form It's not like that's something that this very comment is essentially addressing which is Holy shit, like we would have every time we cover something new we drag in new people They're interested in watching any video I make that they say for example, right? You know a little timothy he's only it's only internet. He's like oh my god I love loads of media. I just love it I watched that new sci-fi cut and I hated it. I hated it. I hated the sci-fi cut But I like I like a lot of a lot of media, you know, it's like oh fuck the sci-fi cut Who's this guy more? Oh man. I'm gonna watch his video on the sci-fi. Oh my god I agree with like everything he said. It's so true. Oh this more guy. He's on point. He knows what's up Yeah, this guy's great. Can't wait to see his coverage on more stuff. Oh, what's this new game coming out? Resident Evil 8 I'll play that. Oh, this is amazing. I'm loving this game. This is awesome It's so much fun. Oh, he's covering it Wait, wait, wait. Whoa. He's saying it's shit What the hell? It's not shit though. I I loved it What the fuck and then just rinse and repeat because it's way more common for people to hate like one thing every once in a while The less common is people like that you see in on eFap where we're basically Like trying so hard to maintain all the standards We basically try to create to make a foundation for the discussion for all these different types of things I wish like oh my god, this thing fails. This thing fails. This thing fails It's like man of steel. For example, it was people I'm pretty sure in our community were very pro man of steel And then we covered it extensively We were like this was really bad by the same metric we used that likely brought a lot of you here in the first place being the last Jedi like so either You can commit to Yeah, okay. Well That's not bad and it's because tlj isn't really that bad either and that we need to find a different system That makes it so that tlj is bad while man of steel is good Like good luck with that honestly wish you all the best But that's not all we do here. We're very much about the whole consistency thing as in like cause and effect We love that storytelling. Oh gorgeous. It's wonderful tasty Um and yeah, sorry, I may have contextualized us a bit wrong So basically someone made a different thread saying they were really disappointed in the thread we just read through And this is one of the comments on that thread. So like I said read it. There were people there who noticed I love you high five That post called to like a hundred and fucking ten points. How the hell did that happen? But that that subreddit isn't even that active like to get to a hundred and ten in like a couple of hours Like people are willing to jump at the chance to shit on rags It's a little bit unacceptable an anti rags post everything out everything and this is definitely true This isn't just confirming a irrational bias that I have up vote up vote I'm gonna see every time is someone being like, ah, you know what I can I can think of so many examples of this and then they go atla um Gosh so many examples Another one that gets referenced is the um the tasm to debate When for some reason I managed to slip by this is another thing that keeps fucking happening with you people And I of course just mean the people it applies to don't be offended if it doesn't apply to you Why do I metal fringy and others escape the criticism all the time? We slip out the back door when we do the same thing strange Start like I would way prefer it if this thread was like I'm really disappointed in rags and mohler and then listed all these reasons because we both did most of this But for some reason rags is the only one they got shot on Only one only one interesting And I'm and I'm really easy to approach I'm life almost every day Yeah, if there would be something to share on this come come tell me it's fine and then you got um Something like I feel like I shouldn't have to say it but fuck it. I'm doing it on behalf of rags at this point 11 hours You picked out what I think amounts to like maybe 10 minutes in this thread of yours it's like What about all the stuff the rags did that was really good really insightful really really witty I really enjoyed the podcast. I think a lot of I think all of us said a lot of very insightful things And made some a lot of good points and brought up a lot of stuff Like he talks about the the fringy rags thing Fringy like with agreeing with me all the time during that stream Exactly this is like but it doesn't get brought up. It's instead It's we bring it up and you bounce off us on our points You drag our points and pretend they're yours like that wasn't happening Yeah We all bounced off each other. It was a really awesome conversation It's unreal that it lasted for 11 hours and you don't that's not normal. It's hard Um to to to maintain it and yet we tried to and we did Now not to imply like like if I said it was like five hours I'd be like that's not too far from normalcy. I think but 11 like I think we can all reasonably say is like that That is quite a while for a show to run Um, I know there are streamers who do this sort of thing every day, but again nine people I think it went down to was it six or seven at the end? Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, yeah, we lost a couple. Yeah, um So I just I just feel like not only are we only highlighting the perceived issues with rags It's like what about the stuff that he does this really good We we not no, okay It pales into in comparison to my sins And yeah, so mainly just major disappointment and uh, that doesn't start like we're gonna continue Um, I think we made this point before but like if every single viewer was like nah, this thread is on point You guys are nuts and we're out Um, the only thing that might change is the stream part of it Just literally from the fact that I wouldn't have to stress my computer at all But we would carry on playing games watching movies laughing and talking about them Gonna it's gonna keep happening. It was happening long before you felt it happened before any of us had met each other We like doing it. It's fun It is And yeah, uh interestingly as well because I just I get this this the the big comment Just summarized it so perfectly because um, I'm not don't need to name a name because it's not this isn't a shaming thing either Someone in the discord. I think last night Was like, oh man, I don't get it. Like I loved Resident Evil 8 I understood you guys' criticisms But like is there something wrong with me? Like am I like an idiot? Like why is it that I like the game so much despite the fact that it's so broken And like this is something we don't really talk about because I think we kind of To a degree take it for granted as as cast members. We're so used to this It's like it's just not something that I've ever had a problem with It's like, yeah, we have to remind ourselves This is new to some people and that there's constantly people entering into the audience who might not be as used to this idea And so and so like I think a common response for a lot of people will be like, well, they're wrong Like I wouldn't be feeling this way if what they said was true. So they have to be wrong And I know that but another response could be Hmm Maybe what I liked about it wasn't quite what I thought it was And then you can start really inspecting what it is that you actually like An example I gave to them in the discord was um good old terminator genesis now This is going to stretch some people's memories really hard But there is a part in that film That I really like like aggressively like and uh funnily enough when I watched the film with wolf like three years ago or so I actually pointed that a bit out and I explained to him what I liked about it so much And he ended up popping it quickly in a video as a reference to how at least Um, there's a vague idea of something good in a film as bad as terminator genesis But and then the film he was talking about he's like, you don't have anything I think that was like the context of the reference um Now when I watched genesis, I fucking hated the film Absolutely, and I knew why I was thinking about all the the continuity eras all the disrespect The fact that john connor is the fucking robot villain that shit drove me nuts But why did I like that bit so much because the film's really bad and how it happens is really bad What is it about that bit now the bit i'm talking about is that um in in this narrative? I don't care about spoiling it if either of you haven't seen that movie. It's so bad We'll watch it for you if I maybe someday So The idea is that sarah connor grew up with a with an army terminator And they've managed to have the bond that in some way shape or form that the t2 one had with with john And uh a little cool moment is that he keeps all the drawings that she made when she was a kid at one point in the movie Like oh, that's kind of and and the the reason why I find these things Needs to think about what it all means. It's like The machine kept the drawings that the little girl it was programmed to look after made Like hmm. Is that like a simple just keeping keeping things or is it because he's developing an emotional center or at least With how it's kind of explained in t2. It's like, hmm But then at the climax of the film when he's grabbed john He's trying to put him into a big magnetic thing to kill him He's gonna have to kill himself to do it and he says to kyle reese. He doesn't like Basically throughout the film uh to take care of my sarah before he explodes Whatever dies falls in a pool of whatever and I was like, why do I like that so much? Because like the film is terrible and everything about the characters is terrible and the set up is terrible And it's like well because it's it's almost cheating Me personally, it's like it's making me think about how the terminator from t2 for example But in him this other guy and then the idea that this machine who doesn't just have programming to look after it But actually cares about it because he's been looking after for like decades Is like actually sad that as much as he's about to save her life He won't be there to look after her and so the nearest person somebody doesn't even like He like charges them with looking after her And he's a machine. I was like, man That's like really meaningful if it made any sense And it's like well, but it is shit though. And I'm like, yeah, it is I I just What I'm saying is I understand exactly why I get positive feelings out of it Despite the fact that it's like complete garbage And I think that process is missed for a lot of people Just trying to rip it apart and put it back together and rip it apart and put it back together And figure out what it is you actually like about it What it is you don't and it's really just fine to realize Some stuff doesn't even make sense and you can still get that payoff in your head because you're like, you know what? I don't know. It's just it's just working for me. It just works for whatever reason it A lot of the times you don't know why You like or dislike something you just know that you like or dislike it and you can't point to something And a lot of times you don't even think about why you know, that's the case So that's why it's new for a lot of the people who come into this audience and we ask those kinds of questions Like why did you like something maybe you got fooled? And a lot of people haven't thought about that before The current I think we brought this up before the stream started, but uh the easiest most like well known trope of like How do you get someone sad real quick? It's like show a puppy and then kill it Like really really sad. Everybody gets really sad real quick um I mean just those different executions of it and you can recognize exactly why you feel the stuff while also being like All right, but this was really badly constructed and let's go over why And um, I figured that like the someone just brought up. It's like rags clearly liked heisenberg He still thinks that resident late is garbage and we'll go over why exactly It's not like it's gonna get in the way of him explaining why And someone that me and mel said we both really liked resident evil 8 Yeah, but it's really shit Like while playing it's like man, this is awful, but I love it And now I don't want to look at it anymore because i'm sick of it, but I really had a fun time while playing it Yeah humans, um, it can be pretty weird at that level and part of what I think is ruined analysis Which by the way, like the reverse will be said about us by these people But I think they ruined it first by basically like valuing your literal instant emotion over everything else It's like whatever you just felt that is so special control is more important than the analysis of it that you can think about and discuss And like literally next year you could be like I didn't feel what I felt last time. So this is shit now like Oh Well, that was that that all the stuff I learned last year from you was kind of just Wasteless now. I'm just like whatever we'll move on And I don't mean that in the sense of knowing why they felt what they felt and then knowing that it moved on I mean that in the sense of if you have a critic who's like do not watch this movie It was really bad and they based that entirely on I didn't like it and the next year they go Actually, I really liked it. You should see it like what Um an example of this I saw a clip being shared where um Cosmo variety I was reviewing his old reviews and he said that uh He was on a particular review and he said like oh, this is like a this might be a seven or six Or a five or an eight. I don't really know my opinion changes every single day It was just like oh So like so when you say what your opinion is today, why should I give it any value? Yeah, um meanwhile, we are desperately trying to make it so that if you listen to our extensive analysis of something like Man of Steel in 10 years from now It's not going to actually change because it was all built on references that we were hoping to get very right Um if you wanted to know what we personally felt about all of them We go over that every once in a while and I think Am I wrong in saying that just justice league is the frontrunner for like most enjoyed of the dceu or is it was it aquaman? Uh, I think so. I think it is aquaman right now that was um Uh Yeah, it was Wonder Woman 84. I think up to that point or justice league and then it was Wonder Woman 84 Then sort of justice league for people and then aquaman was just so crazy Yeah, I think I think it's it's between justice league and aquaman. That's it's like it's definitely I can't remember what we said anymore It's been a while but that is eventually coming out too um But yeah, I suppose that's it Like I said as my hero falcon would say do better This isn't directed at anybody other than the people who Fucking made us do this and I don't mean that literally. I mean Seeing the sentiment too much because I feel like we'll be back here in like a year's time When they're like, you know what that stream on resident evil 9 You notice how much rags referenced resident evil 4 like oh, oh no Oh, man The worst thing ever, uh, you know, I don't want to repeat myself. I feel like we've gone over it pretty well and uh I don't know. What do you guys reckon anything else? About this, you know, I think that sort of wraps that all up pretty well I think we talked about it a fair amount And I think we counted it all pretty effectively and I hope that this sort of Like it's sad that there I guess there's still some people who haven't quite grasped it but whenever The efat panel have a pretty much unanimous Decision On something there's probably a really strong reason why that's the case. We didn't just randomly decide it We have a pretty decent I'd say we have a really great track record with stuff And I think it's because we have a standard and a set of criteria that we are pretty darn consistent with So hopefully you can soak up some of that In the future use it yourself perhaps maybe um Yeah, that's that's that's about that uh Yeah, two hours super chastise. I mean, you know, we'll we'll we'll do we got you gonna You're probably around the point of streaming now on your mental or I mean, you know, you don't have to ignore me You won't even look at me stepped away He's he's turned away from me. What's this about? Does he hate me? I don't know I like shazam, but it's kind of forgettable. We've not seen that yet. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, that and there's a prey that we've got left Shockingly we're not in any particular rush Um Yeah, you know because I was just thinking is there any way we can sort of find like feedback in this moment? And I'm just like, I mean, it's probably two hours and 20 minutes It's probably going to be comments in this in this video when it goes reuploaded the people going to discuss with It's all surely. Yeah Um I think I've explained this before but I do worry about the life cycle of subreddits I feel like they're just not long for this world. They eventually like One of the interesting things is a lot of people in the reddit don't actually even watch efap because it's a molar subreddit So they might very well just be waiting for my stuff Hello You know, it happens metal you're gonna start streaming soon. I was curious Uh, yeah, we'll probably just start streaming alongside just place finding a visor. I guess Just gonna chill here if that's all right. No Oh Yeah Wait, why am I afraid of wrecks now? What happened? Oh, I mean I was doing the countless reasons for that one. Um Oh, okay Isn't it loaded all right. Give me a sack. I'm just getting them all up Oh, I guess you asked. Oh, you probably asked me about streaming I guess Oh, right. Yeah, uh I said, why are you looking away from me? What's that about? Oh You're just so ugly and smelly All right, I found you I'll catch up on today's ones and then we'll move right into stream labs And then we'll just we'll just catch up on as much as we can. What's everyone's um energy looking like? How you doing rags? I'm doing all right. I'm doing pretty okay I think I can go for as much as two to three hours. That should be So yeah, we'll we'll do what we can Let's go hide your goats red. It's coming for your butts. How did they how do they send that? How do you know that that's what we were doing meme? How did you know? Mr. Predicts things I didn't even really emphasize the t in that word. I just said predicts Nobody's gonna call me out on it. So that's fine with me No, it sounds right to me. Don't think you guys like dicks It's unacceptable Page sticks Um, I'll bet most of those people were front pages. There's a good chance. Yeah Like I said, it's a bit daunting to me that it's like a collective eventually in the reddit of people who just like a kind of Anti-efap because they're just like uh, I miss them all as tfa videos I could try to watch if that Couldn't That annoying German and the dog Annoying not drooling Now when are my favorite little doge become everyone's punching bag, I remember when everyone loved rags those were good e-fap days Yeah, I don't get it. That's when tlj was the only bad property simpler times See more things were shitty All things had to be punished kopenheimers Superjack catch-up xv is missing from mula kum. Um, it might not be uploaded yet Uh, I don't have to check a rune God, you're so lazy. I was uploading three videos at once today. It was a bit of a There's an experiment It was funny people were like, why isn't it re-uploaded? Yeah, the mula one was like well for one, uh, youtube Decides basically sometimes that they can't be uploaded if they if they go over eight hours You can guarantee that i'm going to be uploading several versions just because it youtube like dies on it every once in a while It's really annoying, but you'll get your e-fap episode eventually the unlisted one is of course available all those I wish to see Sometimes youtube stacks adds on it in weird ways. I um try to catch that um, but sometimes I miss you You know how it be Um, when do people start hating rags? I mean it's been a while. Let's be honest really annoying. Yeah And they do this thing where they're like, okay mula, let me be the one to explain to you why everyone hates rags And they make threads like that or i'm just like, yeah, you've really convinced me. Thank you Hey, you convinced me people who hate rags are insane and irrational This is the thing makes rags by extension feel better about himself They often talk like at me as if I don't hang out with you fucking a lot Well, I guess we meet up for stream sometimes better than that. I don't know the thing man Why do you think the hosts are who they are? They are people who we're really on good terms with the spend time with Again, only the the deep lore people even know about stuff like this because like if you hang out on metal streams You'd be like, wow you guys you guys talk a bunch, huh? Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah, we do. We have we have a lot to say Yeah Sometimes we stream it on a show God Well streaming want to go online now Moodle when you're gonna start doing hot tub streams Fuck off. Oh, I can imagine charlie in the hot tub He's just stuck in there I'm picking a thread now. It's like part of that whole moodle is the problem with the fap It's gonna be like if you if you note in catch up for one three eight Metal is asked when will when will he do hot tub streams and he says aggressively passive aggressively you might even say Fuck off This is indicative of metal's attitude Yeah, what he does to efap. He doesn't ask the questions. He simply makes memes Sorry, watch yourself there and get get the hot tub stream going. It should be more of a thought I guess Yeah Get them boobs out Um, hey guys since falcon and winter soldier takes place months after wander vision Shouldn't sam be assigned to help track down wander since he ran with her for years and the world would be looking for her Um, we don't talk about continuity There's a couple of those things By the way, this is what phase two's problem was and we will go into this when we get to the mcu thing going but You you do avengers It's the first time everyone like fucking realizes everybody's around. It's like, oh, it's really cool. Yay And it's like iron man three president is kidnapped and someone's going nuts with an army of fire people It's like, ah a job for Thor like nah, no Oh, okay a job for captain america. It's like nah Hmm. That's weird a job for iron man. It's like, yeah iron man who in that film Almost killed like several times because he loses access to his suit. So whole bunch like man Yeah, weird. I feel like we were in a universe, but now we're not And then you go into soldier and it's like holy shit cap is on the run from shield He's they're trying to assassinate him and it's like cap. You should probably contact someone for help like Oh, I don't know Tony Stark. Yeah, this is a big deal. Yeah And it's funny because some people like why would he you wouldn't he's he was told by fury not to trust anyone It's like what you think Tony Stark would be working for hydra really? I think if there's anybody you could trust it would be Tony Stark in this situation He fucking hates authority like the next person he goes to he trusts. Oh, yeah, that's We don't talk about winter soldiers plotline rags. That's another one of those soldier has a really bad plot guys It's really bad That's one of I think I've said before but that's one of my takes that I've like kept to myself since efap started I've just gone with the flow and people are like, yeah winter soldiers best of the mcu. All right Who knows what other evil takes we have lurking beneath the surface. Oh, so many We have such sights to show you chat such sights to show you Yeah, um, and then of course thought to where he's battling the dark elf and his armada in like Washington or some Shit at the end of the movie and like there's no captain america and no iron man. It's like that's weird But yeah, phase two's problem Was the the universe felt like it was disconnected again phase three was a little bit better You saw ant man and falcon cameoing in like different movies where they weren't necessarily, you know main He had obviously civil war was like an avengers movie, but it wasn't and it's like wow, that's cool Then infinity war there's two avengers movies. So it's like an ensemble. So yeah, no no will building Errors in that sense In those films, but now that we're done with that I think we're going to be going through another phase of serious problems for will building again Where everybody's doing their own shit and nobody lives in the same universe anymore Ripper ruining and yeah, this is just the beginning because spider-man should have been in falcon the winter soldier falcon the winter soldier should have been aware of wander vision shit and Who knows what else is gonna happen when we get our other movies Thor 2's finale was in england. Oh, was it? I honestly can't I think it was a couple of places right because they're teleporting and stuff And they literally like to other alien worlds I don't know if either of you have seen Thor 2. It's a fucking ride at the end I I remember seeing it when it came out And that a ride is a good way to describe it a ride A lot of people say like a coaster is a ride the train to Auschwitz is a ride Right, it encompasses many things. Yes A lot of people like to say that Thor 2 is often forgotten when actually there's not you know There's not that many narrative problems with it at all. And I remembered to remember The last time I watched it there are totally issues in that film But I knew that I would forget them. There are there are there are the main one is with those portal devices Not only the luck of how they use them, but the fact that those things are a thing It's there's lots to do with that But this is other stuff too. It's just hard to remember that film Is one of the most impressive in terms of studying it like It demands you forget it after you see it I like I remember Ant-Man better and that's often memed as the forgettable one I don't know what it is. They've captured something in there And anyone who's like a secret agent is going to want to try and synthesize what Thor 2 did so that it can escape like different scenarios Very impressive Yeah, if if a if a secret agent gets caught on the job He has a little watch and it pops up with a screen and it plays Thor 2 And then at the end they're just it takes a while. Wait, where did who go at the end? They're just like what? What what who's there? There was a guy we captured right and he's like no he's like I distinctly remember elves in space yes Evil dark elves and it was chris fraggleston who played their leader who was the doctor before david tenon Connections oh my goodness there's people in chat right now who are like Doesn't everyone know that I'm like no not everyone knows that. I don't know. I didn't know that There you go Atmola at rags at metal commander, please take a look at media zealots Villians I guess too stupid to win. There are some heavy tisms over sarron in the ring Is that right? Hmm. This is probably at least one or two instances where sarron could have done something better But I I would be very interested in defining him as too stupid to win. It's like, hmm I don't know. Maybe you could be convinced me though. Nothing's impossible Impossible Yes, check out media zealots sarron video. Well, you know, perhaps it would be interesting Despite making a roughly 13 of the cast of efap 138 rags accounts for over 50 of the discussion and 100 of the spanking naughty chatters impressive The thing is though spank me and fringy did plenty of spanking too Just spanking everyone. Jesus, but you're not me. Oh It's like it never happened really Well, I have to ask are you a penguin? I figured I'd ask the hard question since no one else is willing to Oh No comment. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, I died Answering that is complicated So not something I really want to engage with I think that if enough people are asking this question Then it very well may be legitimate You should be worried Hashtag not my penguin. Damn Wow, see why it's a problem that I would be a penguin as I don't Long a long win. That's what they would be called. I suppose Whatever happened to you being a malrus. Oh, yeah, that's well, who knows maybe Perhaps I can shift into many animal forms It's about the environment. Oh the point I need to make People in my shadow confuse that I'm wearing a hat today Oh, wow, it's because he's ill everyone. He's Shedding all of his hair. I wear this hat for medicinal purposes No, I just got a new and I Because COVID I don't go out much. So I have to wear it inside. So it's getting You're gonna say like getting it fresh air from its closet or something. Yes. Yes. I was thinking something Funny, but in my head, I realized it doesn't work. So I just failed. He's pretty patting the hat You're like, you can come out and play and it's like come out. Yeah, it's fine. What's the little you can do it? Oh I prefer the connect for gambit to the name one What is the connect for gambit? Is that a real thing? Or am I getting fucked with? I don't connect for a gambit. Let me look up Oh, this is because you said uh, the the uh, it's name four Oh, yeah, I thought I thought honestly. Oh, yeah connect four is a game, but I was I was curious if Oh, yeah connect four. I thought name name or his name one or I guess that was the the the connection Yeah, I thought maybe that there was a gambit actually named after like connect four or something. I was like, all right Yeah, what is this? I just assumed you've had a dodgy haircut. No, it's that's that's all the same. Yes. I'm sure that's totally not the case Fuck you man Uh, I have my driving test today if I fail, would you guys publicly shame me for an hour? I'll do it if you won't fail it too. Is that just what you get off to? I was gonna say Because it is like a real answer if you're like, well, no, I don't want to I want you to be confident that you can get it next time You know, I want to be like, you know, I think humiliated It fails it deliberately just to get that to happen. He's like, please tell me I failed and I should have succeeded and I'm worthless Ask me while I while I pull out my pathetic while I pee Yeah, make me make me shit on the law and all the neighbors watch No No poopy like slowly opening their kid and like what what what do you tell me how much you Hello molla, please check them all the subreddit. I made a post for you as requested. Cheers. You tis me welsh penguin I I think what he did was make the same post the rags one was and switch his name for mine and basically all of it See what happened Are there penguins involved though? I need to know. Oh, it must be That's a lot of enemies. I don't want moodle to feel left out here So guru or moodle you flimple dengas get a degree and smart and then come talk to me also Destroyed I'm gonna I'm gonna go to bed and cry. I'll tell you what Yes, he streamed it, but like Do you think it's verifiable that he actually played the game because I I don't know Like I was watching him play at one time. He was like, oh man I'm gonna kill this this guy right now and then he like clicked his gunk. He's out of bullets Then you went, oh, uh, right. I'm out of bullets. Yeah, I was like I reckon he was playing footage from marco plier Oh boy, who didn't play it either because he was playing footage from jacksepticeye Complete the game. I feel as I got an item. What does that do? Oh, okay Some people are like, wow, your your gameplay is like one to one with everyone else. It's so weird I'm with a game like with a game like rea. I would forgive you for thinking that Oh, oh shade. Yes Oh blanket Um, I very much appreciate that you call out chat messages or even super chats you disagree with shows you actually engage with your viewers That's kind of yeah, I mean The idea is that we're not trying to coax more of them or keep you in a happy place Like if we keep chat happy, they will be happy with the show and thus we will be better off I was like, no, no, no, seriously anything you say we're gonna take it as if someone in this call said it Yeah Like hmm scrutiny Yeah, some I think we'll find that to be a negative but some will find it to be a plus Hmm Best friend molla I didn't super chat last time because I didn't have interest in resident evil But I'm glad you chose to hang with me today. Hi rags and not host metal Oh, hi, man Oh, I'm a guest Yeah, what's that about and you know the podcast nomenclature They often say like any any guest of the day is a host for that day. Like that's how it works Yeah, I did I did played I stripped your gameplay, but I stripped your gameplay Like wait a minute Metal is a host in my heart. Oh beautiful Also glad you like my penguin stowels meme even if you didn't get it. Oh, yeah, that was um, I remember it now I I remember it now because he said we're talking to twin perfect I saw people like, how did you not remember that and I was like, I don't know how I didn't remember that because it's Apparently an example of you more than once too, which is just If george lucas says stowels is a penguin on a chair. What do you do with that information? All we all apparently he did and his uh is discord after the conversation was like, what a ridiculous example Of course, they could only prove their point with ridiculous examples. Like Yeah, that's not how hypotheticals Work, but that's fine. A lot of people have trouble understanding what hypotheticals are what they achieve useful They are yeah, like what the fuck yeah, what purpose they can solve Get us all the time and it just makes you wonder it's like I'm not allowed to do an extreme example Am I because they don't actually understand what I'm doing when I do it I have to use an example within reason which is something I'm totally cool with doing after When you say something like penguin on a chair and then they go, okay I understand what you're saying But have you got any real world examples of this happening where where an author says something is the way that it is Despite the fact that most viewers disagree Which is an interesting way to go because if I said no, I don't they might be like well, maybe it's not that practical then But it may still be true theoretically Something like that. You know, the conversation has directions people towards, you know the point Right, it's metal commander. Never let's chelly talk. It's a travesty. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. That's pretty bad Uh, if you have a chance check out mundorn mundown It's artistically beautiful mechanically tight and the story is well done mundown m m u n d a u n mundown mundown um Let me take a look on steam It came out like yesterday. Oh Oh, okay What is it? Very very positive reviews. Uh, it's a Mundown is a lovingly hand-penciled horror tale set in a dark secluded valley of the alps Explore various areas full of secrets to discover survive hostile encounters drive vehicles Fill your inventory and solve a variety of hand-crafted puzzles God what a game to play after some of my resident evil This looks this looks like an interesting game. I will put this on my wishlist for later yeah Yui yui Yui speaking of brown table takes Have you guys seen the tweet in which she says someone has a bad take for saying characters? Shouldn't be defined by their skin color crazy stuff so yeah to um Really boil all of this down right because they're gonna rely on a disconnection to try and prove you Almost the the idiot or the racist in this But what they'll appeal to is that race is going to have mattered in the way that you lived your life Therefore it is going to be relevant to their character slash their history But what we're advocating for Is how much you empathize with a character shouldn't be affected by the color of their skin Rather the content of the character and if the content of the character was determined say for example You have a character who really hates white people because the amount of uh racism They had to deal with growing up or something And then you go like I can empathize them a little bit because of like I I went through similar things When I was growing up and so like the race element is like a part of how you would analyze how you connect with them But this shouldn't extend The point where you say I empathize more with Miles Morales than I do peter parker because of their skin color It's like Jesus christ. That's just yeah, that's terrible. You that's yeah That's the thing where you're not allowed to say that if they're white Yeah, you shouldn't you don't want to be saying that unfortunately It's very well accepted and nobody's being critical of what's being said there Do you know by the way? Um, it is sad It was uh I'm just gonna remain vague on the names for this one um, there were three people in a stream one was Trans one two the other two were black But they were all using avatars That don't give that away And they're all their voices don't give any of it away either And they were talking about um I think Sounded like race issues. I think something like that and uh Someone commented saying the last thing I'm going to do is listen to a bunch of cis white males talk about race issues Like that shit. It's just it's almost wonderful in the sense that it just proves everything about what we try to encourage Which is don't do that Like listen not good to the arguments Super awkward when you jump to conclusions about race because you know what that means You know what it does for your character. Not good stuff. I'll tell you that What's this? I don't know metal. Why'd you keep asking me? I said you had all the answers. You tell me what that item does right the fuck now I don't know if you guys have got my stream up, but I've always like found it fascinating that the The houses in the background of simpson sit and run behind the main ones. It's like jesus christ. Look at this They're like they're on this weird hill and they're like they're almost So in the form of shapes that you can't even You almost don't even know their house To me they're just strange geometric arrangements like crystals poking through the dirt They're all over as well. There's just these weird hills and I guess is to make you like look how bizarre that that is What's going on there? Yeah, it's to make you feel like yeah, this is you're part of a bigger world And I think it would have worked for the most part because I only realized that about this game When I first like emulated around dolphin. I was like, whoa, what is that shit? It's like, yeah, that's that's the background They don't want you to look at it too long But they were part of the skybox They could very well be I don't think they're well Obviously, they're not a part of the playable world I'm not a hundred percent. What is the skybox in maximum? Is it literally just like the wallpaper of the world? kind of yeah That it just extends over but these were clearly like they exist They're part of the world. You just can't get to them and they're modeled. They're just very low Detail. Yeah, I imagine you'd fall through them if you were dropped over there Maybe um, but maybe not. Yeah space between. I don't actually I don't think you would they probably really are just Landscapes they could be just can't get yeah There's a cheat in this game That I could actually use on this if I knew what it was But it makes it so that if you blow the horn on the car you do a super jump And it literally could only exist to try and break the game like it seems to me That's the only reason they put it in it's just like go have fun You'll break the game without that and that's fine. Yeah, I can do it Um EFAP 92 is the best one you masters didn't even cover a video You just hung out with a chill guy and talked about things that you were all interested in I think that's the first one. John cjg came on if yeah, I think yeah, we talked about um All kinds of things really chill. It was writing. I think we mainly talked about Yeah, it was nice And I think someone was like rags didn't talk very much that time or something like that You were just like I was listening to a lot of it. Yeah Can't win them I was thinking I'm pretty sure they would notice if rags were to disappear. Trust me the show is not gonna be the same Got a pretty OP item. I've never had that one before. Did you ever had an item that gives you like a As soon as you enter a room? Is there a gun in this game? I wonder uh You enter a room and then like all the all the enemies in the room just get instantly A bunch of ticks of damage and just get stronger the stronger you get I It's like a ready. It's like a radioactive thingy. Toxic shock is the name Um, maybe I'm not I can't quite remember. Yeah, this sounds pretty insane. You're just going to the room And they're just immediately get damaged No, I like most of the enemies just die. It's like, oh neat That's definitely gonna be useful You have no excuse to lose now mel and you're streaming. Oh, oh, you know, I can still lose I'm I'll find a way fucking up really powerful runs by being a dumbo You know why let's on my mind slight tangent Does anyone either here or in chat remember Indiana Jones's desktop adventures I never played that So it was like I remember playing it on an old mac you would it was just a game and it was Like a windowed game and it would randomly generate an indiana jones game and you would walk around like a grid And you would have to You could find like pick up different weapons and you'd fight little enemies like snakes and spiders and nazis and tribe evil tribesmen and stuff And you'd have to find a big treasure at the end But a lot of it would be randomized all the caves and locations you'd go to um And so there'd just be It every time you loaded it up and played it would be different and I was just curious if anybody else had played that Um And there might have been different forms like they they kept the code but they changed all the aesthetics So it wasn't indiana jones this time it was something else But I remember the indiana jones one and I really I really really enjoyed it and I think uh That would be cool to play on stream to just go through these indiana jones A desktop adventures Uh, let me take a look And I'll show you what they kind of looked like Oh, I look that there's apparently some news warner media is being sold to discovery And the two will form a new media company to compete with netflix and disney plus This is not good news for dc comics rusa teeth or any other strong division of warner media is there will be cutbacks after the merger Interesting imagine the dc you just stopped And you're you're out Like guys come on it was kind of a meme, but Like we've got a stuff doing it now Yeah, can't but cringe can't do that anymore. Yeah, that's uh, that's wild Yeah, you just loaded up and it would randomly generate A um, it's completely not like a world And you could look at the map and you'd have to fill out the map and go to the different areas and zones And you have to pick up keys and the keys would go in certain doors It was it wasn't like metroidvania, but it was just an adventure game Where it was very reminiscent of the old classic, you know a lot of old classic stuff And it was top down and it was grid based and you'd have to move Like I remember here I even remember the noise that they would make but you'd have little mini puzzles Where you would have to like move blocks around to get to items and you'd have to use like a keg of powder on um I get a cracked part of a cave entrance or something like that and it was Really really nifty really kind of cool Really liked it Dream it breath soldier moment for me I wonder if it still works I want to use the guppy items just so you know I stand ready at all times to defend your snow from fringy's goo That goo shall never taint your snow nor enter your fridge. I swear upon the tombstone of the great stan lee Brother But yeah, we have to protect the purity of our snow, right? Snow is very useful. It's fun. It's wonderful. Even though I don't like winter. I really do like snow I think the main reason I don't like winter is because of how it gets dark so fast. I fucking hate that But snow I like I like being in the snow and playing in the snow and having adventures in the snow I like when it when it's snowing and you're you're trudging through The ice in the snow and the winds in your face and the snow flakes are they're they're hitting your head And and you're going on and there's no one around and you feel like you're on adventure Even though you're just going a couple blocks down to cvs And you're hoping that they're open maybe and they got to work and you just trudging forwards And it's okay if you're walking in the middle of the street because there's no cars out anyway And it's just it's great. It's really cool Oh god, what if the snider was is the next streaming service? Oh no What does that even mean leave that we just treated? Oh god ldc stuff all horrible horrible dc stuff Someone said so rags hate christmas because in the winter then well, here's the thing right? Here's the thing I think that christmas comes it get it is it is benefited by the fact that it is often very cold outside And very snowy and icy outside, which means all of the family Is encouraged to stay together inside the warm home The house becomes like your shelter from the frigid outdoors And you're together and even though it's toasty and warm and intimate inside You can look out the window and see that it's snowy and white and it isn't all that pleasant out there Whereas if you have like the fourth of july Right, it's in the middle of well not the middle of July in middle of like it's in summer It's in july. It's hot and you go outside and you barbecue together and you're setting off fireworks And it just it gives you very different vibes Someone said he doesn't hate australian christmas very true very true Christmas is great Honorable mention how halloween is awesome. Just saying just putting it out there. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah Tell molla is a sleepy penguin And i'm gonna make a long read a thread about him. That's objectively awful of him. Don't be proven There is not verifiable lucas arts game Uh indiana jones desktop adventures was a um It was a lucas arts game Well, well who to thank it Can't find the item on the list Um Do you have 84 is the best one? Oh you Nobody's favorite is a four It's like the metal of efab Whoa, that's really bad I mean, hey, yeah Fight for yourself sometime now jesus Jesus juice Jebus i did fringy start calling it jesus juice on his stream. I don't remember telling him it was that it's not that in game, right? I don't actually call it jesus Somebody somebody in his chat baby said use the jesus juice. I could have been that Use the jesus juice. I don't even know why I called it that i've tried to think it was a bit just because I was just really happy. I found jesus juice and binding up eyes like yesterday. That's nice Well, it's only natural Yeah And They think rags will just sit there and take it like good little boys that he won't like it out and go wild Oh reference Attention, you're gonna go world Reload us to play maro jade. Oh boy I hate 60 dollars for 10 hour games cod cough cough re um I don't know. I felt like the money was fair with with this one I got my money's worth if you will play in it. I I wouldn't recommend buying it for 60 bucks though. Wait for like Yeah, I suppose that's kind of funny right because I agree with that It's like I also wouldn't recommend it's like wait, so was it worth it or not? It's like well, I feel like I got what I paid for But at the same time, I don't know that it's worth it. It probably is for someone who love resident evil 7 though I'll keep saying next is true Yeah, that's probably the best way to kind of describe it Just hit me that this conversation is happening right now damn Maybe it's because I'm high happens to be a lot though. Am I high too often? Maybe Maybe Um, hi rags. Hi mola I command hi Jesus Jews or satan squared Sad I missed you reading my chat, but you guys need more positive chats show up and take my money and stay awesome Oh Thank you very much Wolf was even more aggressive than anything rags ever does these people couldn't handle wolf on a nice day I wish him the best alpha to my omega. Oh Yeah, wolf was like the modern warfare two lobbies on xbox live Y'all is like if y'all were there back of the day y'all it y'all would flip out The summary of what is being said there right is wed and if have 100 You I think it wasn't me. I think I said above. I was like so wolf you you saw Uh, if I'm daddy three, what did you think and he was like, okay? I'm gonna be civil It would have been funny for for for wolf to have His candid reaction to that load the rings video probably wouldn't have been what the the word is kind It wouldn't he wouldn't have been kind. I think Uh wolf was true daddy. Sorry long man. It's all right. The daddy label should be shared You know, it shouldn't just be one person Yeah, I have more than one daddy. I'm sure everybody would like to experiment a little No judging here Um, I voted the post not because I agreed but because I guess the more people would see it the more entertaining value It would bring to the comments Well, who knows I don't know that it's a good idea for me to look at the subreddit for the next few days I feel like it's gonna be carnage in there. We're gonna about like Or whether or not what was said was bullshit and leave the reddit alone versus like people were like, no, it's Well, would you never play simpsons road rage? Not really. I think this game is strictly better I think that it does most of what road rage does Um, it's not entirely the same, of course It's just that there's a couple of missions in this game that kind of achieve what road rage does and then there's loads more I just prefer it I post something in the discord My god, where's australia? I don't exist. Nobody don't All the reason Oh I'm losing track of some of these. Where you going? Um, I don't know if you a lot have seen the latest battle room, but my god if it isn't the worst episode so far Love antisms to all we um, we're excited to get back to it. We're trying to book We're trying to book kong versus zilla and as soon as we get that done Which we're kind of getting done after we solve the next e-fap meme fap, which we still need to set up Also catching up on super chats. We got we got some stuff get in the way, but um There's a batwoman episode that is honestly ready to be premiered and probably gonna do it real soon And we're also like a couple days away from having them all combat one finished Uh, as in like premiering not just that it's ready to be put into youtube and stuff. So yes That one's rather fun um Rags i'm currently at the third stage of grief. I don't need the mando vid anymore. I'll take anything Can you at least spare a crumb of dog bites? Crumb don't don't worry. I so um The video i'm working on I because I decided what I i'm like i'm having a big commission done That'll be used for channel videos in the future both on dog bites and on the main channel That will speed up production a whole bunch Because I've very accurately identified what slows me down a lot of the time And so I'm I have something that's being commissioned that will speed things along I would say substantially um So hopefully that when that gets done Which should be should be soon-ish and it'll be really great. I'm hoping this is going to be really uh something Really awesome and that'll be in videos prominently that I could use So don't worry like stuff's getting done. I but I just you know I do what I can when I can and I do have ideas and there's stuff that I've Like had done and work that I've put together myself That just hasn't even been in videos yet And then I have I have ideas for what to do, but I haven't put them into action yet. So don't worry It'll come when it comes. I I just don't want to make any promises as to when it'll be out James said I should be playing uh re4 because it's a gamecube game I was actually gonna I don't have it on dolphin because I have it on pc, but the the mouse was it was not being uh being a wombus So I have self a hit and run today I don't usually play this game at all. So it should be nice and refreshing for a lot of you out there Uh, the reason why people go after rex is because he's the easiest target to get reaction out of Metal doesn't give a damn most of the time and molla even at times you Throw your ideals out of the window. You try to keep your cool rex is the most Honestly, I reckon what they want I reckon freaky is more reactive than rags is to comments I would say I could see that If you you know ask me from choosing from my gut Which which one of all the people of efab reacts the quickest and angriest to comments they disagree with are like probably freaky And that's not at all criticism. I find it very enjoyable Yeah, I like it too Because it's almost always wrong You think freaky's almost always wrong. Wow rags exposed thread coming up. I was referring Too late rags you've destroyed everything said clip it take it and then say it was I was it was about Jesus Also played doki-doki literature club dumbo's You written write that down so don't forget about it It's got it there you go A face cam is for efab 100 out of the question. There's no amount of money in the world I wouldn't have paid to see your reaction to oh my god. He's a queer um I just I really like the the format and like I said one of the main reasons I did it was just like I don't have to care about getting my Like my everything in frame like I just like I can just yeah Wherever I want around and slouch and lounge and I don't have to worry about looking nice and then what about this stuff behind me and That sort of thing I'd have to change I would have to change my whole desk and orientation so that it didn't show what's behind me Like you guys probably don't know but to get metal looking the way he does he needs three hours of prep time Yeah, yeah We were pouring water over him and trying to get him to sober up for hours before the stream started He was like shoji taboo chi Yeah, it's unacceptable. You know We don't want to risk that but um, you know, I really do feel like um efab is certainly with like efab movies and mini's reactions and stuff. It's like I honestly think that we we've managed like the the icons on discord the rings and then the animations that a lot of the Editors come up with it's like they're pretty damn good as they are I would say Oh, yeah, I really like it. They really come to life quite well for a still image There's a lot you can do with them and clearly you don't need a face to single out one person in particular based on just that so nope How long would it take to make metal actually look good? Fuck you Three hours, okay three hours. Have you seen don't blink? I recommend it as a horror movie I think I heard the name, but I haven't seen it. I don't blink. I I know don't breathe I think is that the um, is that the documentary on duncan jacks? I don't know who duncan jacks. That's that's the reference. I don't get I'm sorry. That's okay I wasn't I would be shocked if anyone got the reference. That's okay Someone in chat is about to say I got it and they don't they might even be lying, but they'll say it Boss Yeah, yeah, there's a couple of movies that are based around a sense being blocked out. It's like Oh my god I think what's the one because mike flanagan made one. I think it's called hush Uh, we watched that one right metal Hush when you when you visited I can't remember if we watched it. I think which one was that? Was it about the blind? She was a deaf woman. I think deaf. Yeah. Yeah, we watched it. Yeah, we did watch that it was okay was okay. Yes And we watched another mike flanagan movie and it was okay Gerald's game his strength is in tv. I guess I don't know Yeah, he's in more time. Maybe maybe that's the reason I don't know Everybody's gone out and having fun For resident evil eight, did you miss mentioning how flimpy moroak morassia? Excuse me m o r o a i c a Moro moro is moroica Moro like that are we thinking Hang on. I'll read the sentence. It'll probably make sense Did you miss mentioning how flimpy m are with the repeated circling around knifing them in the back to eventually kill them? Oh So the reason why we didn't really bring that up was because like that's something I tried in like the opening hour or two And then I just I never needed ammo. So I never really used the knife You know, I mean Yeah It's like, oh, it's so dumb when you like circle around them and use the knife because you can basically just kill them without getting hurt But then it I think I remember saying this to both of you actually I was just like, yeah It takes so long to do That like the time I lose with it is not worth it. I I have so much ammo that I just I don't need to worry about that Yeah, it's not like resident evil four No, no look again. Wow 145 them down Or you have to bait them into attacks and then you could knife their head to make them stumble back and then kick them down Where there's like some element of like you're playing the game This is just I'm gonna walk behind you and you can't turn properly to kill me. So I was going to mention um That's a time where third person beats out first I think because in first you just see random shit and blood and scratches and the noises and you can't really tell What's happening necessarily unless you look directly down and look at the feet of the enemy and sort of move around it that way So it gets a bit awkward I felt in village It was a first person game and you're running away from things a lot. I felt like the the audio cues Like you couldn't get enough information to sort of know what was happening behind you It was I don't know I didn't give it too much thought but that's just sort of how I felt after playing it Mm-hmm That game would have been great if it had one of those um A button where you turn your head to look behind you Uh, I know some games do that and it can be useful. So Yeah, it would have been nice to see him chasing you. You can look back and see him chasing you Uh, play Resident Evil 6 with rags guaranteed hilarity also high rags Hi, uh, maybe yeah, I mean, I'm definitely against that. Yeah um Maybe one day is uh, we've got so many things for us to do One of my favorite games is too human it almost erased from history from a lawsuit which makes me sad It's unique, but it was poorly reviewed. Have you heard of it? I have heard of too human. Absolutely. I have I have not Sounds vaguely familiar. I think it's just beyond two souls. Well, I'm thinking about what's the beyond human That's what I'm probably thinking of. Yeah Um, what do you know about arrive? What is too human? Too human was I think it came out for it was like in the xbox 360 I think it was an xbox 360 game and it was like an action rpg and there was um Ah, I forget who made it but I just remember it being a very oddly reviewed game and it had interesting stuff in it and You could customize your character in different ways and you could find all kinds of different items to Use and it was just very Interesting it was almost it wasn't like it didn't have cyberpunk vibes, but it had like a magic But it was weird. It's like a magic mecha punk sort of look to it with um But it was always one of those games I knew I never played it, but it was always on my maybe I'll buy it list Mm-hmm, um, and I never ended up buying it So I wonder if it ended up actually kind of being pretty good. I'm not sure Huh Well, I'll be One of my favorite games is oh wait, uh, hi again. What would you say is the worst problem in avatar the last airbender? Why would you why would you tabbed fate? Of I can't tell you because I never rewatched it The worst is probably the end Uh, the ending in that show sucks and as far as I'm aware. It's not very controversial to say so so there you go Um, but it's not I'm not saying that to escape potential heart take territory It's genuinely a really disappointing ending and I remember when I was watching it I was like this can't be real this can't be how it ends And uh part of what annoyed me so much was and I brought it up when I was criticizing I'll bring it up again But the intro of the show for all of the episodes Is going to lead you to that finale like they keep mentioning what this whole show is about in that intro every episode You finally get there And it's like laugh my ass off. He just wins you're like, oh That was satisfying And uh from what I gather not many people defend it. So that's a plus in terms of uh Some some equal footing some some some camaraderie there, right a pain shared As a follow-up to the super chat about tla what was some of your favorite things about it? Mine was character music and voice acting also hierarchy Hey there um It would be Um Yeah, it would be iroh I think I liked him. He was a cool dude Uh, if I were to be able to remake the show entirely There's a good chance I would keep him just the way he is Uh, obviously there would be tweaks. I'll probably have him in in it more to be honest with you. Um But uh, yeah, I I think that's probably a relatively accepted take too. I think a lot of people like iroh Iroh is a cool bro And I would totally drink his tea Whoa That's not a euphemism you weirdo wouldn't appreciate that No, like you wouldn't just drink his tea. It's fucked up. No, you'd be cool with it. I'm pretty sure you'd be cool with it You just assume that like that's true. I don't believe it Uh at rags deserves all the shade after all he likes it with a sun don't shine Oh my goodness, I enjoy Well My eyes because I have sunglasses Um, yeah, yeah, maybe that's what they're referring to There are parts of your body in a sense that the sun doesn't quite reach, you know Yeah, like they're sort of in shadow for the most part. Yeah, that's But his rags a snow white supremacist Maybe He was mentioning purity a lot, you know, and that that does make you wonder racism's russies Drink his tea is british for a golden shell. All right. Yeah, I think I think so. I think that's It's pretending like it isn't I do not believe you sir EFAP 93 is the best get it right scrubs high rags Hello I mean, I don't think I don't I don't know if there's been a poll of like What is the greatest eFAP episode of all time? But I'm pretty sure 93 is gonna score high 93 often rises to the top. It's uh some concentrated eFAP that episode. It's All of us baffled as we Bond to a video just classic, you know Speaking of top-down adventure games, would y'all considered playing diablo 2 remastered as a group? I don't know. I've never played diablo before but that's not necessarily an issue. Um, I don't know I'm also in the don't know department Yeah, I'm in a don't know state on that one. Yeah, not sure Mel, you know all about diablo Slashy devils Slashy devils. So yeah from why I I it's a hard maybe Um, yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna play it in general. Uh, I I would be Convincible to play though because I like diablo, but I didn't plan to play it as of now We we'll see Uh, I know if he's gonna play it. I'm pretty sure he's gonna play that bad boy How would you recommend someone get into doing youtube as a career if they already have a normal job? Love what you Do keep those standards consistent. Absolutely my yeah So first and foremost, this might sound disheartening. I wouldn't recommend youtube as a career so It is a tough boy. It can be really hard mentally and it's a very fickle mistress This is something that a lot of youtubers that you probably follow struggle with quite a bit where they're like Yay, my video talking about x did really well. I love youtube. This is awesome Then the next three videos do like a fraction and then they're like, what the fuck I don't get it. Why is this happening to me my life? Ah, and it's like, oh, no Yeah, don't expect anything pretty much Start YouTube is a bit of a bitch not to mention like we're not even just talking about Viewers being interested. I'm talking about like youtube being a dick where it just like Doesn't show your subscribers your videos doesn't put videos in recommended because it doesn't like you today Or you've said something to anger the youtube gods My first epic video I put out some fucking randy just nuked in a way. Oh cool. That's That's great Um, however If someone was very serious about starting it up and I was going to try and help them out I guess they'll just be um, you'll be really sure of what yours you're gonna be trying to do and hopefully it's a gap in the market to some degree You're gonna do something better than other people do it something that's not been done You're gonna do something faster You're gonna do something with a perspective that you don't really see No, that's a good place to start Um, I suppose like more specific is gonna just have to be about like what kind of youtube you wanted to be right Because there's so many different options Could even want to be a streamer who knows Perhaps both because it's boss So, um, yeah, I don't know. It's kind of hard to give strong advice on that one when it's um It's so hard to even crack whatever youtube's uh, mysterious sort of Requirements are I imagine that's when you're gonna get worse as time goes on rather than better Um, though, of course just don't Don't go too nuts with the putting the eggs in the basket sort of thing Just try it as a hobby see if it kicks off sort of stuff always have it as a a potential Yeah Hopefully that that that's something I'll be flying to cali to see my girlfriend after she joined the navy and had to leave for about nine months flying first class I'm really excited. I could imagine how exciting that would be Hope you guys have lots of fun Yeah, absolutely. I wasn't talking about that metal. They could play some chess They could have a drink of coffee together. There's you don't need to oh my goodness Oi molly watch vinland saga, please the main characters from wales He speaks your language that means you can connect with him better Yeah Also graduating from college this week slave to corporate life. I go Yay Nine months best time to pop out a kid What in the world? It's flying to see her Maybe she had a kid in that time. Who knows oh boy, maybe Been watching game of thrones the first time finished the battle for castle black favorite episode so far hoping for a game of thrones Ifap season at some point Um, I'm not sure There could be Further game of thrones stuff at some point especially with the prequel tv show they're making um no guarantees on that one However, what I will say is my default for like favorite episode is usually the red wedding but after seeing It might have been Episode six of the latest season. Uh wolf and I watched the watches on the wall Which is the episode I think you're referencing And we were like holy fuck watches on the wall might actually be the best episode and what's cool Is uh good ol glidus who's been on efab gaming a couple times He made a review of every single episode all in one video And uh, he categorized them all from you know one to two hundred and one however many there are um And his number one was the watches on the wall He thinks that's the best episode. It's like yeah, man. So it's a real good one Unfortunately, if you've just seen that you realize you just passed the peak of game of thrones. It's all downhill from there Have fun with that He's my kept Marvel 2 pitch. She travels back in time dies to an alien called Mar-Vell who visits her for the first During a trying time during the snap. He learns about humans the problems yada yada and then kills the cheese lady again Well, there you go. Oh so Just checking my youtube email no, uh Takato Komori uh from It doesn't matter from where the high rags We are planning june for a large meal kit subscription service to partner with select influencers and sponsor a colon space 90 second mention in a video typical scope sponsor one 90 second integration in a youtube video Would you have an interest in being considered for the plan? 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There's no I can't there's nothing for me to google I have absolutely no idea because I was like that's what is this because I've never heard of any of this and then I was like Oh, I don't even know how to find out what this is for And the only links are to the complete the form survey to apply for the campaign and the blue polo interactive digital like management And a full service digital marketing team And like you're not even telling me what i'm supposed to be advertising How shit is your company right? Most people don't even like these days. They probably don't even need to specify that because people will just be like, yes, how much Oh, yeah, they'll do it. Yeah, of course What is the opt out hyperlink unsubscribed? I didn't know I was subscribed I guess they sent me a link and it makes sure I'm subscribed. Okay. I like the idea. I don't want to fuck with them I'm gonna like what do you sound they're like why? Yeah, I'm gonna be like for Oh, I gotta get what is blue polo interactive I gotta get their little third tagline, which is Uh, uh, we are a full service digital marketing team. Let me copy and paste that a meal kit. Um So many things I could be it's just Yeah, it's a large meal kit subscription service And that's it I don't know what that is Sounds like it could be useful. I know on food I think it'll help you with that metal Second the name is he's gonna help you make your meal Are you sending me food? Yeah, I mean It helps you make your meal feel like how's that work? Tell me your magic wizard Your food magic Okay, all this maybe just be a scam like click the link and give us your information If you're a meal kit, you're like, what is that? It's like it's a meal kit. Uh, Chimkin, I mean you humans like meal kits Humans Oh great. Lockdown. What it's because some of these emails you get are really good And they'll say hi that's that's a dot and they're like you can clearly tell they're personalized to you Because this was just a mass email they sent out because their company shit and that's just what they do and So they're like, hey This is what this is what we think would go good for the channel and sometimes it actually is something I get a lot of dog stuff by the way like dog products and services things and pet stuff But they're like, here's what we want you to advertise Here's a link to it. Here's a place where you could learn about it Um, if you have any questions, let me know about it. Also, um, let me know if you want us to send you one And we'll shoot one over to you. Like that's like it's way better. It makes sense. Yeah, yeah But this is just like I don't even know. Um It's a meal kid. They promote eating children. Oh my god Good god Oh Yeah, you know, enjoy game of thrones, I guess and maybe we'll have coverage on it eventually one day someday who knows Uh, what's your opinion on all three hellboy movies hellboy 2 is my favorite, but I also like the other two. Yes, even the new one Um, I remember liking the first two a whole bunch But I've not seen them in so long now that I don't I don't know for sure if they're super awesome still Same I remember watching them a long time ago But I have almost no memory of it. I have watched. I think three people review the new hellboy. I don't want to see it Oh boy, that looks terrible All right, so these meal kids include mountain do marinated chicken. Oh, it never goes bad It's a crime against nature I went to the because i'm looking for um Um, I'm looking for a Some information on what I'm supposed like how they would even expect me to find out I went I I did their little complete the form thing. I didn't feel it out I I went to it to look through the questions And one of the questions at the end is have you recently applied to work with green chef? Or hello fresh. Oh and green chef is a specialty meal plan I guess and and hello fresh is a Uh, a a meal kit company based in berlin, germany. Yeah, I know those I There was was was a time when you got like a like a voucher or something when you ordered something from amazon's like Oh, you want to check out the? Fresh tisms like no Which i'm not against in principle I'm like if someone if someone came to me and said Like this is a meal kit service Which is something I could totally see people doing and it sounds like it could be useful Especially the ones where they just send you all the ingredients and you make it yourself Like that sounds like something that could be really appealing to a lot of people. Oh, yeah, they're pretty popular as far as I know Yeah, and and that that could be something that I would advertise in a video if they sent me one or two And they said this is just what typically comes in they come this often Here's what the price is and I would actually get it and make it And then I would include what I made In the actual I'm gonna take a picture. This is how I made it and that's done But I don't know what i'm even working with here And chat didn't shad do a meal kit and get a really good steak Maybe because you you can make a really good steak out of a not really good steak if that makes sense Oh, yeah, isn't necessarily expensive. It doesn't have to be you kind of know what you're doing You can you can make some Absolutely, you can make Super cheap food. Oh, yeah, do you guys remember loot crates to them? Yeah, I do I still do you mean kind. What was the rlm one nerd box or something? Didn't they like They eventually had like a coffin service Something like older coffin feel loved ones I don't know. But yeah, like uh I don't know if it was loot crate itself, but a lot of the franchise loot crate things like died off I'm assuming there's still some around but Um, I guess they weren't that viable or at least they're not as viable now as they were weird Remember because like loads of your favorite youtubers would start doing this thing where halfway through the video They'd be like, all right, I'm gonna open my loot box. Here's a t-shirt. We're working more tea on it. Yeah Here's a yeah the keychain. I think it just got worse and worse because no one was really buying them anymore So they put a lot of excess cheaper and cheaper still had around and new boxes Let me look up loot crate and see How it's doing it was established in 2012. Um Damn so long ago. Yeah I suppose that makes sense because yeah, because there's got to be people who review the loot crate and everything that comes in It every month or whatever. Um, I think ash instead of to some degree, but at some point it's like Pooh Oh the company announced that it was filing for bankruptcy protection on august 2019 laying off close to half its remaining workers in the weeks prior Damn There's a wikipedia for it. Um Let me look right here Uh, let's see the Uh, the the company owed more than 30 million in debt Uh, then you yeah 30 million in debt and six million in taxes while its credit and card processor had withheld payments to the company Dude, what the hell they end up in jail So while under chapter 11 bankruptcy It plans to continue to fulfill orders, but seeks potential buyers on october 1st 2019 Subscribers were informed by email of loot crate sale to money chest llc majority funded by n e c a The company will operate under a new name the loot company And the n e c a is the national entertainment collectibles association Well So ends the journey of loot crate will continues, I guess, I don't know Okay, so it said oh no rags looking into looking to get in on tonal's cooking vids I would unironically love that If if maybe one day in the future want to get the channel back up and everything like that And tonal's doing his thing and he probably is going to get just more and more comfortable doing it over time As he gets used to that format he's doing Oh, that would be a dream come true if I could Go I'd I'd fuck a favor the ticket and everything I'd drive. I don't care go to his house And that's the the epa it's him because I don't know like anything him and I are opposites on the spectrum In terms of culinary ability I can like fry eggs And grill chicken and like I'm the the most layman average cooker possible and he's like Gordon Ramsay's long lost son clearly And having him describe to me and me ask like every step of the way what the words he's using mean and how to do thing I would love that that would be amazing. I would adore that so much uncle ton It's one of my one of my little in the future that would be just so fucking great But yeah, that's you say that as a joke, but like actually yes I would love to be instructed on how to cook just a meal from tonal then Learn other thing. Here's how you here's how you move your wrist when you whisk the eggs And here's how you make sure you don't you don't want to heat it up too quickly Because then you'll do this and you want to burn the outside you want to keep it But you want to let's say all these all the little tips tricks Things like that so Next time you go to fun next time you go to a restaurant like a waffle house or a breakfast place order eggs And then when you get them wait a while and when the server comes back to check on you He says how's everything turning out? Is everything all right? Just just stop and look at him and say so I mean the things are all right I just want to let you know um these these eggs they taste like chicken And and maybe they'll say like oh should we get you some new ones so we can remake them for you Because I probably don't know how to they don't know how to react to that sort of thing. Yeah It's like no, no, it's fine. Just just let the chef know If you could just tell him because I don't know if anyone's ever brought it up before I just wanted to let you know, but we're fine. We're fine You sure you don't want them replaced and you're like no You sure you don't want new ones? He's like no, no, these these are fine. These are you're fine I just just want to let you know. I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it before I just feel like you should be aware Lord rags and his dad jokes I think people really want efap without rags for no reason but hate to recognize that without rags There would be no efap very strange. I wonder where all this hate would be directed without rags um Hmm well if rags wasn't here, it's kind of hard to imagine what would exist It would be whoever ends up being the most consistently on here other than me probably wrote a parlor billur billy Like um, let's say if rags were gone and free we're here and that was I think free He would probably get a few threads made on him eventually Are you so aggressive? Are you so mean? He's so green. Yeah, it's like whoa Sign up for adult themed lubricate Lubricate lubricate lubricate. I like that lubricate. There's an audience for it. There's an audience There's a sex theme one as well, uh, master crate. Yes Fucking better a bunch of kids like is that to do with like Zelda like the master sword? No, uh, I'll skip parents about it Timmy no Stop right there. Uh, just wanted to recommend the game gunfire reborn again Uh fair enough rags is crow. I've yeah, I am crow crow has always been my favorite I've always preferred I crow has always been my favorite absolutely Tom and Joel are great, but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for crow All crows are bastards Yes, oh no Do you think we'll see she lob in the lord of the rings tv show dude all bets are off That lord of the rings tv show. Oh, can you think rise the day that the first episode comes out? We're like, well We're gonna watch it Like oh boy There we go Is it worth seeing the movies again? It's like probably not Well, I mean it's always I mean in relation to understanding the show, you know, I mean like yeah, I know what you mean Yeah, I feel like we'll know ahead of time They'll they'll probably say you don't have to have seen the originals or something like that Or this is its own thing and they'll probably have callbacks and references because that's what hollywood is now But we'll see. I don't know and then I really don't know you. They'll have a dragon. It's actually a gill Like what will be the hero bill dragon and she'll be better than everyone. No Probably having that Uh Will you be covering Loki in the same way as the other disney plus series? Or do you think the mc's grave is deep enough already also high rags? Hi that grave can always get deeper So this is a fun tidbit if you look at one of the early blood-borne streams with jay myself Rags and I think ringy are talking about Wanda vision I think someone says like oh you guys can do defap on it and I'm like new Wanda vision is such a chill and sort of You know like like episodic show that just has not a huge amount to say about it And we're not gonna be doing any fat. We'll probably mention it like oh, that show was kind of neat You know check it out if you want to probably We ended up seeing the whole thing. We were like, holy fuck. We're gonna need fat for this This is insane. Like how did I didn't even know how it's this bad Fast-forward falcon the wind soldier. I think we saw three episodes. We were like, yeah, I'm not gonna do an efap on this. It's very uh It's very meh meh to bad. It's not much just And I think once episode four would finished we were like, okay Getting a little bit pissed off now I think we're pissed off already actually Yeah episode four was what kind of flipped us into We might do are we gonna make an efap about this? Are we gonna? It's like it seriously became a consideration of ours. Yep. And then by the time the whole season was there It's like, yeah, definitely do an efap on this Uh, so with Loki if the first episode is a really goofy little rom adventure through time and Loki's cracking some jokes Has a fight scene everything's really chill. You're like, no efap for this And if the last two episodes of the season series, it's like they destroy everything to do with every film that's ever happened ever We're like, yeah, probably gonna do an efap. It's just about what the content ends up being basically We shall see if you remember Uh, we've it's funny. Someone shared this on the subreddit. I think I might be able to play it in the meme fap. I'm not sure but uh There is do you remember recording the cosmoronic podcast with fringy? Uh rags He asked you or at least it was brought up about the falcon when soldiers show And you both agree you're looking forward to that because you can't wait to see what they do with the characters Yeah That's sad Oh, well Uh, moly you should do a gaming series on neoreplicant and automata Well, what about those games? Uh mel told me they're terrible games. So that's not true I trust mel. I'll be right back No worries And mel just complains day after day about how torturous those games were. So I'm like, oof. I'm gonna avoid them Uh play automata. It's a damn masterpiece. Metal is this true? Masterpiece automata. I don't I don't know. I really don't remember. I haven't played it in so long He told you mel hated But I'm I'm always careful to call things masterpiece these days. So I don't know Oh, yeah is um Is is is saving private ryan a masterpiece Um more than automata. I'm pretty sure Is hot fuzz a masterpiece. Yes. Ah, there you go We got one lads or a god of war 2018. Hmm Uh That's my favorite game, but I don't think it's I don't know if I would call them masterpiece I'm sure I mean, I have that with lots of stuff. I love this thing, but masterpiece. Oof Well, you kind of want to what's funny is a lot of people try to run with the definition of masterpiece Meaning like the best work of that creator or something and I feel like that is way too diluted. It's like, yeah We usually save masterpiece for like the best of the best Yeah, like so a lot of we use nine out of 10 stuff Nine plus Though the way mola pronounces automata makes me want to drive a railroad spike through my temple What is the automata? Automata, I don't know Have some patience for the welshman He doesn't know about your crazy anime words I regret picking this item up. This is actually really weird Dude, I hate that and by the advice like when I pick something up and I'm like, this is okay Kind of neat and then like two rooms later. I'm like, okay, this is really bad actually I kind of don't want to have it anymore. I have a directed shot So there's basically like a like an x on the floor that I can move around and that's where my tears go But it shoots constantly and it stays where I put it Oh, I know what that is. You could yeah, you like it's like your tears become a blob that you can move around, right? No, that would be the cool one. It's just a direct I just have a marker on the floor that's connected to me and that's where the tears fly from my face Oh, yeah, that one's annoying. Um, yeah. Yeah, I picked it up. I didn't know what it was So I would have picked it up anyways, but I also couldn't see what it was because it's uh, I of course have to blind in this so Dude, I hate it when they make your health invisible and all they put a question mark on it. It's like, hey Hey, I need to know that shit Uh, they released a clip from the Loki show yesterday that says the MCU is one definitely definitive timeline Well, okay All right, then I mean, yeah I usually would call it something a must-piece of it has a little to little to no flaws generally in the sense that nearly every little detail is accounted for Yeah, I think that's like I would call t2 masterpiece probably even though there's there's plenty of flaws in that movie But my god is it damn good? A little more loved your content since amnesia versus soma dissection which I watch once per year Glad you enjoy and I'm glad it has repeat viewing value Uh, I know you like Dark Souls. Did you play Sekiro? And if you did, what did you think about it? Also? Hello rags I don't think he's back yet um I booted it up. It didn't work and I was so ready to play through it for it This is so funny how like in a consequentialist sense how things work like Sorry, um a deterministic sense how things work. So It didn't work properly and it was as simple as deactivating like some program that was running I found it in a reddit thread. It was like, oh if you have this it could be doing it and then I did that and it worked perfectly And so I spent like two hours trying to fix it that night and it didn't work I tried so many things and then like a week later I tried that one thing that did work and I was like, oh sweet works though I guess I'll get around to playing at some point and I never did And it sucks because if that problem hadn't been there, I probably would have completed that game by now And I probably would have had loads of other stuff to say on it But I just it's what it's so weird It's like I need to drive myself to play it at this point. There's nothing wrong with it Because I played it for like five seconds or so By the way Um, yes It applies to not just you mel but everyone in chat everyone ever they probably already know this do not Watch yms play any of the souls born series. You will like kill yourself The thing if you watch me play Sekiro It's probably gonna be really fun because I'll fail all over the place and you know Try and get better at it until I successfully like kill a monster. I'll be like, yeah YMS I try to watch and play some souls born games. Oh my god Don't do it. I love you Adam, but oh It's funny because we don't even like hardcore Dark Souls fans, but Jesus Feels Batman. That's my summary. Okay What are you gonna say I think I was about to read something on chat. Hang on Hey guys, that's what's blind. It's incredible. Nice. Let's drink. Is that wrong about it? Oh well, um That would be another thing. I would rate a masterpiece. Blymana is fucking phenomenal as a show. Um Is drink it wrong about it? Well, you know what maybe one day if I make a series of videos on it And he checks them out. Maybe I will change his mind. Who knows? Yeah Judeski thinks of the reset waiting for metal to get stupidly European yet still die. I can do that. That's easy Stupidly European and then die Oh Well, I would like you to get stupidly European I mean, I'm already stupid and European. So I guess I got a combo. I'll fill all the criteria Uh muller one of my friends says wallace and grommet is bad. Please tell them they're both objectively and morally wrong Oh my god, I've only ever enjoyed wallace and grommet. I haven't seen it in a while though But in a case of the way rabbit, I think all of us have seen that in some way should perform at some point That was some good stuff All these coins I can't get them because I'm not a fly boy. Meanwhile, I have 2 000 coins. So get on my level Oh man. Jealous. I can't even carry that many coins. If this was re8. I'd probably have 300 000 coins by now And you'd be jealous Yes Personally, I love and I died Um analysis on video games Responses to start of the stream. I think he's very fair with his breakdowns on each element also high Rags you back yet I hit him whistling. I thought okay What mass effect is the rest of world building? I don't know. I haven't played him in forever So I cannot tell you I hope they're pretty good because they're all about that space stuff As metal does of herpes if he drinks chaelis hot up water Um, hello mola new to the community here found your channel through your dissection of the dark scent versus soma Which was awesome to experience really enjoy the content. Hey Nifty as someone else who also really liked that series and I'm glad I helped now look out Look how many get you Uh I'm mola. Hi rags. Hello An old illness returned back in june last year things have been pretty rough since your content Including efab have gone a long way to make even some of the worst days bearable. I just wanted to thank you Also, hello fringy Uh, yeah, really glad to hear. I hope you're doing all right and um, yeah Some of the oh that was I was talking to a super chat, but yes, I hope you're all right as well rags uh There's always like some of the best news we can hear is uh, you're having a rough time that efab can be a little A little light in the room going Yeah, absolutely Rags someone's asking what mass effect mass effect has the best world building the first one I think um The problem is that I like a lot of the world building stuff in three, but they fuck it all up at the end and But I would say probably the first I think the first one does a really good job at that Setting up a lot of places you could go to planets you could explore Uh, the the citadel the the size of the citadel and how you could move around it um It's the different factions involved in all the different creatures and species They they cover a lot of their bases in terms of locales and different cultures and how they act and I really really I think mass effect one did the best in terms of world building Two was like two was good. They're all good at it too expanded on it in terms of the first one Um, but two felt a lot more constrained and smaller scale Then the second one or then the first one was in terms of where you can go and what you can do it feels a lot more Not railroaded, but a lot more linear the locations Uh In mass effect three there's a lot of stuff. I really like and I mean two is good too like the tachanka stuff was great, but um In mass effect three it kind of pushes more forward and opens more stuff up and we get more of It was more of earth. We actually go to earth um Though we only see it in a certain way is like a war zone and um Then at the end of the ending is horrible and destroys a lot of the world building I feel so gotta give it to one Gotta give it to one What about andromeda? Oh, I fucking forgot that existed I've only heard good things. What the hell That's actually sort of 10 Eurotism's high moodle. Hi. Hello. What's up? Wow. They don't say hi to us Racism Yeah, correct um Yeah, one that came in while you were while you were gone right was uh, Personally, I love rags analysis on video games I think he's very fair with his breakdowns on each element also high Oh, hello, and thank you. I'm glad you like him um Positive and negative about watching eFap my workdays fly by super fast But I also think anything less than six hours is just short. Yeah It's a horrible world you end up getting into the world of the short Take up your mother's trident. You know how much she's snackrified Snackrified I hope he takes up his mother's trident once again in the future movies. Yeah Uh That's a mess effect to expand at least the species lore more like our dad yakshi Just the cars and such. I'm just guessing these names. I have no idea to pronounce them Yeah, sure sounds good to me. Yeah There was a question. So does it do that? rags Yes There was a question. There was like a follow-up question for the mess effectism Does mess effect to expand at least the species lore more like our dad yakshi or use the cars just the cars Whatever it is. Yeah, that because that's a part of the um, uh Oh Sorry, that's the sorry stuff. Yeah, it does those are Those are pretty small aspects of it though But I mean they do like it's the second it benefits from being the second in a series So it doesn't have to do a lot of the work or effort that the first one did it can just build on what came before it But yeah, they all do a pretty good job except for mess like resending but it's Um, but yeah, there's good definitely good stuff in all of them when it comes to world building very well false I think you need to do a catch up offline mohler. We will get through them all eventually It will happen cannot stop us Uh, have you heard of this horror game called world of horror? The premise is you have to kill an old god by solving five random horror mysteries during the mysteries You're randomly hit with random horror scenarios. It's an rpg 2 Jesus Sounds unique So it's random You watch it there with you with you funny You hurt someone um, yeah, no not heard of that sounds interesting Who knows how it goes for execution Do you remember remember monster was that the name of the game? Where was where we're fleeing from the monster on the on the ship? Was it just called monster or was it something else? Monstrum Monstrum, yeah, you ever gonna play the second one. There was always fun to watch Monstrum game I want to say that I've heard of this, but I've never I never played it. Yeah, it came out in 2015. Yeah, I know me. It's rated pretty positively That was actually the first video that I had any success with in a significant way was I played it and it's like your initial form. I think it was early access And um, I was having real fun with it. It was super spooky on my stream and I beat the um the I guess the main monster or whatever and I just clipped it and then I was like, I guess I could call this how to beat that monster And it was like my first video to go up to like, I think 5 000 views and I was like, oh my god Oh, wow, I'm helping you discover how to defeat it Didn't even know he did that that you did that the thing is it was neat But I was like, well, this isn't really going to mean anything for growing a channel because they're all just like Do you have videos on how to beat the rest? I'm like, no How to do the thing tell me how to do the thing Okay, and this is like, do you have guides on any other games? I'm like, no So this was a one time. Hope you had fun Not Jenna just wrote that Mr. Monstrum days happy ghost Monstrum 2 came out January 28th of 2021 and it is much less well received. It's mixed reviews Yeah, 65 well, if you watch the trailer as someone who knew Monstrum, I was lost looking at it. I was like, what is going on? They've changed a lot Damn Um, didn't quite look like what I would assume a sequel would be um This game failed hard because the devs rushed it and released an unfinished product too early Uh Uh, it's focused on Okay. Yeah, uh, who knows but it's not very well received pretty middling Who knows? Um Is it strictly fair to apply Zach Snyder's explanation for the loss of earth's location as it is supplemental info Not present in the film as a mark against Steppenwolf's character So the interesting thing, uh, it's of course in my video. It wasn't in my video originally It was because people were actually cycling that as an explanation for the Velocity so I was like, I have to include this because people actually think this is an explanation the funniest thing About his comment, which is what I made a joke out of and what yms made a joke out of is He's told to explain why it was forgotten and he gives an explanation that amounts to He forgot Yeah, that's not an explanation And if someone wants to be like, well, no because he said everyone else died So it's just him that forgot that's that's a better contrivance, right? It's not that everyone forgot it's just him Like so he was the main person that wouldn't forget And then of course you have to try and argue to me. Yeah, his whole army everybody was present that day died Like What are you talking about and then you simultaneously have it so the characters in universe talk about this event Like all of them are aware of it What is this world you're building it's I don't understand And so you you put it all together and it doesn't make any sense So if someone said like well death of the author you don't even consider it's like it's it's terrible either way so Yeah, you don't have to consider it, but it's still terrible Yes, the funniest kinds of death of the author I find um Do you even play re8 spider-man and high rags and moot? Hello hi Um, I've heard a lot about re4. So I finally bought it and I'm playing through it right now It's a whole lot of fun, especially compared to village Yeah, oh, yeah, very glad to hear that. Uh, yes re4 is a very fun game to play And you're almost always playing it. There's very few cut scenes and places where you don't have control Totally a lot of great areas to play. Yeah, like there's you kill like three times the amount of enemies in four I think it's a longer game. Maybe it feels that way Uh, yeah, we had I think free tracked, right? So there's a 20 hour average completion and 10 for village Yeah, village is definitely right quicker, but Yeah, already for it's it's a lot more gamey and in a good way You're constantly playing and you you instantly see from the like the get-go How you can do better and better in subsequent playthroughs and you're in you want to encourage yourself to do that I just remember being so engaged by when I first played it. I was really happy. Just like this is a fucking game Village was like, I hope something cool happens and then in resident evil Four I was like, but I'm doing the cool thing that is like, I'm already doing it. I'm not waiting, you know Moodle, I saw this indie horror game on steam. You might like it's called deus 2 and it made It's been some studio called from software. Uh, you Made me go back for that comment in my chat. It came too scary Yeah, uh was monster the one where we actually heated into the death in order to not be in cash by spooky monster That sounds about right Yeah, he's chasing me on the ship and um, I think you see me like look left right back And I'm just like I have no choice. I have to jump but then I just broke my own legs and died And I was like, it's better than him catching me One one difference that might illustrate sort of almost design philosophy between four and village Is in four when you are in the village section for the first time and you're fending off enemies You take the shotgun off the wall and then a chainsaw guy spot Well, technically you don't take the chains You don't you don't take the shotgun off the wall and then he comes if you go into that room Or go into that building to hunker down There is a small cutscene where villagers swarm the building and you can hear a chainsaw in the distance And he's coming so they go hand in hand But um, he is just among the enemies The game plays as normal except now one of the enemies is a chainsaw guy Whereas if this was in re eights in village The the chainsaw guy would be like his own boss and you would fight him in a broom closet And it would be shitty And it just shows just that's what it would be in the new Mass Effect wise would you get the legendary addition? I think not redoing the ending is a huge missed opportunity for the corpse that is Bioware I agree. I think Bioware right now needs all of the goodwill and positive publicity that they need And nobody likes the mass effect three ending Nobody and if they say they did they lied It's terrible ending. They were paid. I'm all for the preservation of video games But I feel in this case because it was so Horrifically bad and no one liked it and you're not really erasing the original at all You might have taken this case to write a what was very clearly a wrong And hell, you know the old vision is still exists. So Yeah, absolutely. They really want to play it I'm still in apparently reencus. He dropped down under none of her canes k subs Oh, that was like the a youtube yeet thingy again We saw who's reeing uh Jim sterling Uh, I can have you bring this footage and copy from the youtube comment sections by lure baranda Rex I'm watching behind it Huh? Oh, okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, uh, rex. I'm watching behind the stream I'm the guy that made the quote-a-quote snarky comment about the headshot No, I felt that I felt that the criticisms for the amount of bullets that take to kill are Misdirected the problem is that the shots barely flinch the enemies Not the amount of bullets since r4 takes a similar amount to kill and you don't feel the guns anemic And so with resident evil for an emic, sorry So the guns don't feel anemic and resident evil for They're quite useful and they're pretty darn good at what they do And The enemies I I don't think a basic enemy is going to take six headshots to kill from a pistol I think that'll pretty much always do the case like I can't imagine that being There's I if I can't imagine a ganado's taking six headshots And still being alive. I just don't think that would happen But contextually are we talking normal or professional? I'm assuming because I don't know Okay Any yeah, I don't think a ganado's will ever take more than six headshot like maybe an Unupgraded tmp, but a tmb isn't about doing damage per bullet It's either about dps or about, you know, just being able to stagger and flinch enemies and You don't say even if animations even if they like if every time you shot the wolf man person in the game They fell over But they take 20 shots to kill. I still feel like the guns are going to feel wonky as hell Yeah, and there's not a lot you can like so if you There's a lot more you can do with enemies in terms of how you interact with them in Resident Evil 4 So sure you shoot them once in the head and then you could roundhouse kick them or you can suplex them And then you could knife them while they're on the ground or you can take advantage of their further weakness by Shooting them in the head while they're down But uh, yeah, it definitely isn't in the same capacity Resident Evil 4 enemies are not Tanki they're they're slightly spongy But you have a lot of things that you can do and you can take them out pretty well Any of you read world war by harry turtledove Nope, no ew Nor do I recognize that. I don't know what that is No, I don't either Dude rammed a car into me. He's gonna win the race because of it. That's cheating That's not cool. That's just being a bad sport. Yeah Why don't kind of throw his lightsaber in the ocean and truss he turned good But surely he can use this very powerful weapon to fight the bad guys now. No, it's an evil weapon. It's an evil weapon. You can't be doing that So dumb it's like it's not helping the angle that red means evil like it's like, uh Just the color it's not supposed to mean that But wouldn't it be cooler because there's like oh, they gotta have him fight with the blue lightsaber, you know It's gotta be how they do it. It's like why couldn't it have been the red one fighting for good? Why wouldn't that work? Oh Crossing that fucking lightsaber, man Somebody went out there and swam swam for it when they found out, you know Gotta find this thing. It's probably worth so much money Or they could just use it to slice things like Like slicing bread and it instantly cooks to toast Fuck yeah No Genius Rag should I play re4 with mouse or controller? I mean I probably won't make a huge difference. I play with mouse and keyboard. I like it more, but That's a game that you could play fine with a controller most I mean, I I've played it the game cube was on controller xbox was on controller. We was on sort of controller So you can definitely make it work. Give it a give it a go with each right? Yeah, enjoy each right out. See what you think see what feels right to you Oh, no, no, no Hi rags Any second now? Huh? Hi rags Oh, hi Yo masters, did you see the part you are you are mentioned in turkey tom's video on quintin reviews? He missed some smaller details, but still solid Yeah, I did see that part. Wasn't that bad. Um, who she elaborated more, I guess, but yeah, not bad It wasn't bad that part You're gonna chronicle quintin's biggest failures. I'm honestly like kind of surprised we would actually be mentioned because he's done some really stupid shit Um, but if you're gonna mention it Why wouldn't you mention the fact that he manipulated the video like Himself, you know, I mean it's like yeah, I feel like I was expecting more to happen Like we clearly were the victims of that and quintin was the bad But it could have really benefited from some elaboration as to what actually happened And all you have to do is listen to the part where we say it and just play that So, um, but you know, yeah, uh, I I doubt it'll do anything that that that video quintin is He's a bit of a if you if you watch a The portions that go over like the stuff with the bread to people I don't know how anyone could come away from it Not thinking like feeling kind of bad for quintin in a sense I know I know the conclusion is he's a complete asshole, but Like he he all but admits he can't make friends properly And it's like that must suck kind of come across as a bitter vindictive bad person though So maybe you got something to do with it. Oh, well, he's He'll like he'll just tweet out radically like, you know how it sucks that You know, I I got unfriended by a whole bunch of people from my perspective that now everybody kind of has and it's just like You remember reality in ways that Other people do not Yeah Someone's asking and this is a good question. I don't think we even talked about it Does resident evil village have limb-based effects when you shoot them? When you say that you mean like Like if you shoot the head, it does this if you shoot the legs, it does this if you shoot the arms It does this I don't know I don't know I'm thinking like did I ever even try to shoot them in the legs just to see what would happen I didn't I was just oh just shoot them in the head Yeah Whereas in resident evil four because we got to talk because I got to talk about it all the fucking time The head and the legs are the big ones. Yeah, you want to shoot them in the head To stagger them back if you in the legs because the legs will have two different effects If they're running towards you and you shoot them in the legs, they face plant Instantly, which is very useful because you can now do whatever you want to them and their head's facing you If you want to shoot them instead of knife them and while they're standing still and you shoot them in the legs They'll go to the knees, which means you can either kick them back or you can give them the old suplex Oh, what we're talking about this, uh, do you guys remember two rock seats of evil two rock two specifically I've heard of it, but I've never played it and 64 game. I played that way back I only ever played to rock on gamecube Gamecube. There was a gamecube version. Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't even know that uh Risa mentioned this I recently replayed it randomly And I noticed this game from the n64 era Has those effects if you shoot them in the in the in the arm They go like uh, and they flinch their arm back or when you shoot them in the head something different happens I was very surprised and really impressed like I didn't even know they Did this back then it was really cool Because it's so so old man. Mm-hmm. It was pretty neat to see It's a book series about aliens trying to colonize earth thinking that humans still use calorie at nights, but they arrive during world war two Interesting That's weird that the aliens would think that I was gonna say I'm curious how that would all go down I hopefully it's like in in a way. That's not Poopoo, but you know, yeah um Also that one that had the mother's trident thing it ended earlier with uh For some retarded reason youtube won't let me super chat. Take up your mother's trident probably because of gay Because obviously i'm bouncing between super chats and uh stream labs This is like wow if ever you wanted to tell us to take up our mother's trident apparently super chats don't let you Take up your mother's trident Maybe it's because mothers I guess that's weird. Does that sound yeah, like if anyone's using that it's probably for an insult zone. Yeah, block it Uh, that's right. I think the you mess effect will be more likely be trash or is there actually a chance of it being good I mean, it sounds like it's just going to be the old games with a really bad port Oh, do the unless is there a new one than that or is that what they're talking about? Oh, um, no the yeah You mess effect. Yeah. Yeah, I don't see why the new one would be good by where it's not a good company Well, that's a shame. There's yeah, they're just like they haven't when was the last good thing they made Like it was some people might say Dragon Age Inquisition a lot of people seem to be really lukewarm about it But like lukewarm just I mean by where it's just not good anymore. I don't think they can make good games I like remember I I forgot in that sentence that anthem existed Yeah, but a mass effect andromeda anthem all that stuff just No, I don't think it's gonna be good I don't think it will be good It's gonna be dumb and it's gonna have shitty characters and the combat's gonna be maybe okay potentially Probably not Gotta hope Yeah, maybe maybe it'll be good Maybe against all reason It'll just be good An 11 hour podcast hating on women for having opinion. It's the lowest of the low We need to touch some grass. You could have been a revolution, but instead you cashed in I don't care if you make false assumptions your critiques a poll hashtag molars a hypocrite Wow, man, that's quite the combo of flimpy, uh things that have been said. Yeah That's a lot Hey, if I've cast hey rags mohler. Hi. Hello Uh, I remember when I first saw TLJ I had such anger and confusion to what I'd watched in cinema I couldn't put it into words then like a saint your videos had appeared in my suggestions and did it for me Oh I mean, yeah, the yeah, it's quite quite a thing right because You know the standard experience for people is to watch a movie and it's so good that everyone talks about how good it was And how much they enjoyed it pretty rare for a film to come out There's so fucking rancid that everyone's like can't wait to share with each other how much it fucking annoyed them It brought people together. Yeah, it brought us together Yeah, efap was built on TLJ. It's kind of weird, but what happens Hey mohler first time donating also an unrelated note rags you lazy cunt get back to work. Your commentary is missed I uh, I will do not you worry. I miss I miss doing it I really do when I can sit down and work. It feels good to work and be productive at this No, it's nice to be able to be like, yeah, it's my channel. I get to say what I want to say I'm breaking all the rules Except I follow all the rules because youtube. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sorry youtube for implying otherwise As well. He's already at the efap 138 super chats on these the ones you're reading right now What I'm reading right now We've got one more that is from stream labs So then all the stream labs is done and then I can start one three eight I see my lego Andromeda was talk shit could barely play over eight hours of it The only thing that was good about it was the combat. There you go I don't remember the combat being fine Oh really what do you got here? Uh, would you recommend resident evil village to someone with mommy issues asking for a friend? No, um Amnesia rebirth is definitely the game you want to play if you have mommy issues No, why would you ever recommend that at all anyway? I'm not don't play amnesia rebirth play some on the dark descent Yes, yes, even I would take machine for pigs over uh Rebirth I didn't even finish a machine for pigs. I don't know if I ever will do that But I remember liking it more than amnesia It's some it's a it's more of a so you know how we used to get movies like terminator three where it's like Okay, you wanted to be terminated to again. You didn't do a very good job. Yeah. Yeah That's what machine for pigs was to me. It's like it wants to be dark descent It cut corners. It didn't do things very well and it kind of relies on the name I was like, yeah, and looking in retrospect. I'm nowhere near as annoyed At machine for pigs as I was a fucking rebirth rebirth is much more akin to TLJ. I was just like, oh, this just isn't as good as the dark descent, but I don't like Hate it. I'm not like, uh, you suck because I wasn't even um, that was the chinese room. That wasn't even uh Yeah, it wasn't them. Uh, yeah, it wasn't frictional Frictional. Yeah, which is you know, again, it just moves you sort of your perception a little bit because Machine for pigs is like terminator three while rebirth is more like Terminator genesis or dark fate where you're just like, wow, you should You guys the kings of reinventing horror and gaming Fucking relied on jump scares some of the worst that I've ever seen. It's like this is your flashes It's It's never not going to piss me off thinking about that mean fear flashes. I wonder like Yeah, I just I just wonder I want to know what the meetings were like. How did Thomas grip allow that to happen? The fuck man It's like the complete opposite of everything they've talked about I wouldn't need you. I'm gonna play that soon. Not too many followers away from that by the way Which one? Uh, dr santa. Yeah. Well, if you you got stuck on the jam last time, so we'll see if you get stuck on the jam this time Really? I don't even remember that I know I got stuck. I didn't know specifics, but you know, like I'm in set out. So I I'll I'll believe you I'll believe you machine for pigs are a pretty awesome monologue at the end. I did like that quite a bit and I like I like the whole like industrial era And pigs that are the idea the aesthetic. I like there's a lot of stuff to like in it I just yeah, the world is a machine for pigs fit only for the destruction of pigs It was um that sort of idea. Yeah It was just like really It felt really thin You know what maybe uh the coming halloween. I will stream that I usually I think I did dr santa last halloween. So Without this halloween, then maybe soma the halloween forward. I like to give that old gamer replay and just Admire a lot of what it did I don't know if any of you guys knew I like soma Oh, yeah, me too. It's pretty great pretty pretty cool. It's fantabulous How come um that was that that has nothing to do with me, right? Like you playing it that we played it separately for different reasons, right? I I don't can't remember I was about to say like how what made you decide to play it out of curiosity I can't remember as long as I can't remember. I legit can't because for me It was literally like the makers of doc descent have come out with another game I think that was probably what it was for me This is frictionals nesca. I almost want to relive that shit Like because I thought doc descent was so incredible and they made another game And it was also incredible and it was different Like how fucking nice that is You're just like, oh, I was excited and hyped for game and it was really good like like really fucking good It's like that doesn't It doesn't happen much anymore Blimey man, it was kind of that but we were all pretty worried even because yeah Because that's because our life was just disappointment after disappointment at that kind of stage Everything was getting ruined and so we're like, oh, no, here we go. Blimey man And plus it was the ending of uh Hill house So we're like, oh no, you know, you know, oh fuck. Yeah, I remember us all being like, oh god Will they pull it together or this or doc? Yeah Uh, how you liking near I love both games free foods objective reasons as near on the matter It's my favorite game of all time. Oh nice Uh, I love the characters more in the first game, but the themes and messaging more in the sequel I had a lot of fun with replicants. Uh, I think the story is a fucking mess Uh, the characters were pretty fun though Uh, automata, I probably need to replay that at some point because I only played when it came out I just remember it being fun, but I Barely remember the story Yeah Have you you guys haven't played those games, right? I'm sure no, I have not I've heard near is very good though Yeah, combat is pretty fun. I like to comment a lot Unless you have another to play. Yeah, all kinds of silly shit we do here. Oh, yeah No, I don't There are no old men only long men in year-tisms Y'all should watch the pacific will war two miniseries made by the creators of band of brothers But follows the stories of three marines to be honest. It's a 10 out of 10. It's great Uh, yeah, I've seen band of brothers. I've always intended to watch the pacific I'm pretty sure fringy like fully recommends it. So there's that too I think I Wondered to watch it when I was still traveling a lot on the train But then for some reason I didn't Because I watched band of brothers again. I was like, that was great And I wanted I want to watch the other one and then for some reason I didn't Pro because I was a flanger or whatever. I don't know. Yeah I really like machine for pigs gay is not that great, but the atmosphere music and voice acting are all really good I'm inclined to agree with that Yeah, I from what I remember I like the I did like the atmosphere and I did like the voice So who knows If it had came out before the dark ascent, we'd probably be much more Oh, yeah, if it was that and then dark ascent that'll probably just be considered like, yeah, they did okay And then they did really good Hello massives thanks for the birthday stream and if you can answer this question How do I as an aspiring author make my story stand out from others? Oh, that's a good Honestly, that's a sad reality. I think that we've discovered with Blymana It doesn't actually matter if your thing is good standing out is tough. That's one of them I don't even know. What do you call it? Like like Lightning in a bottle sort of things like you can't quite quantify what'll do it Wouldn't say lining in a bottle. That's like the perfect everything just happens to line Line up at the perfect time. That's the first ghost busters and charlie and the chocolate factory Those are just everything just happened to happen in the right way at the right time and it just worked So but I'd say but it's it is sad but it's true like if you want it to stand if it's good It will stand out whether or not that translates into sales Unfortunately, that's its own thing, but I figure the Typical way is premise. That's like one of the most so You know like attack on titan It's like it's a group of people surviving in a world where giant monsters attack them from the outside and they have to keep Battling them away while trying to live this like that sounds crazy. What the hell anime has lots of that Where they'll be like this is the premise does that not sound nuts? Do you want to watch it? Yeah, that's one thing I will give anime credit for is that they're not afraid to make that shit insane premises That you'd never get elsewhere The problem is they're just often really Horribly executed and they're full of terrible characters that say stupid shit. Meanwhile, you have new things in dumb ways Something like blind mana. It's like pitch me. It's like well, it's like a haunted house This you know and people Are they there's this interpersonal drama? And people are dying maybe Like okay Yeah, I might check that out. I guess like yeah Meanwhile, it's like you want to see a giant monkey fight a giant lizard. Yes. Yeah But yeah, that's uh, that's a tough one um Because I wouldn't want to tell people like when you're writing your story Make sure you have crazy shit happen so that you can tell people about your premise And they'll be tempted to check it out from that alone. It's like well It's kind of a whole other discussion talking about what's eye catching and what's going to make it stand out But I mean with no hints of irony if it is really well written. I would hope it does stand out just for that honestly Yeah Would be nice at least now. Yeah Restore some faith in humanity, you know Uh, I love him so much. It seems that Japanese are obsessed with making their stories crazy. Oh, it's funny We just talked about this your nonsense. Whoa. Why is that? It's so strange sometimes. Yeah, it really is And you're right chat. I meant to say Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory. Charlie's the remake Charlie Wonka and the chocolate willy Oh, you know Is there a Castlevania anime that has nazis robbers and vampires? I do not know. I would hope so Uh I am happy that frog is third host. By the way, why is that crying gym and still alive? What's that mean? Well, he's not dehydrated yet. I'm assuming that's what they're wondering Plenty of water always stay hydrated plenty of tears the whole family That's why I have to pee all the time because I drink lots of water Yeah, it's funny because I drink lots of water too, but I don't Do pee breaks a lot all the time and I think I just I might have what's called a galaxy bladder Long man diaper And yeah, so we are currently caught up with this stream and we've caught up with stream labs. So now I can start I Start looking At the ones from the resneal stream, but of what we don't get to because I'm already running low on Anna John But I can keep going for a bit We will I get like the if you didn't catch your last e-fap. I think the next e-fap is going to be Probably me rags fringin metal if everybody's on board and we will yeah for an extended period of time Be catching up with chats only Wait, what friday or saturday? saturday probably Uh, I don't know when I'll be available, but I'll come hang out as soon as I'm available. Sure valley. We're Um, but I think we're gonna do Super chats only on that one finally Because we've had we've had we've had like three e-faps that attend to 11 hours That's some boy, you know if we were going by the e-fap three time I think it was e-fap three then that's like nine episodes of content. So No, I think it's time. So what you're saying is we're making less episodes now Um, well, what's funny is um, I do have a thing in the back of my head where I'm like Oh, we gotta make sure we line up with the the 50 per year thing. We are very ahead of schedule on that one Well, look at us. We've got another meme fab to make so yeah, we might need to I say need Need to skip a week. What will happen is we'll probably do an e-fap mini super chat catch up instead Someone just in my chat when I'm available. That's why you're not a host metal You know, there's some rookie numbers and that's okay with me I like freedom Uh, more like a question. What is rax favorite character in mass effect and why is it garrus chat vicarian? Um, it might be morden is might be my favorite. I really like morden rex and garrus But I think it's probably between morden and rex It's my favorites One day I'll play those games again and I'll remember the characters one day I will play them and know what the characters are Yeah, I guess I'll wait until the The the I guess the remaster is a port. Is that correct on steam for all right. I just heard that Maybe I just heard that the PC versions apparently got some a lot a lot of issues in it. Yeah, that's what I heard That's what I was going for. So I probably wait until this is like usable if they ever fix it or add options I think there was like the thing as like barely any options in the menu Uh, then I probably just play that Yeah So, uh The first one for the residual stream was In in quotations. Oh my god, and then ethan is a man Oh my god, that is You've captured about 90% of the insight you get from ethan in that comment. Yeah He says it's dark. What the hell What the hell what the hell why does everyone keep dying on me dead body? Oh my god I think it's dark is my so my favorite one. Oh, it's like possibly the best one. Yeah That one made me laugh every time I I played it and I heard it in other people's streams That's uh, it's hilarious. I want to remember one thing. I just said no shit ethan and he's kept going I wasn't finished game mode sort of at that point. I was like, come on. Let's go I think the first time I actually paused it started laughing I think that's what uh with my stream I like was talking about some other floor of the game for a while and it sort of we finished up and I was like right through This door and I opened it. He went it's dark and I was like God damn it ethan Uh, hello lads. Hope everyone's doing good such a long number of guests. Oh, yes Yeah You gotta nine months Uh, hey chase been checking out your content. You're truly a chad chad face Um, yeah, I would I would recommend chase his channel. He makes some good videos So the one off the top of my head I would recommend is his clan Noah one That game is pretty rough for a kid's game. I never played it. But oh my good Noah. I've never heard of that um He was breaking it down like some of the events in that game. I was just like Jesus christ children are gonna get Sad death death by sad. That's what's gonna happen Uh, hey mootl, I believe you take game recommendation chat. What do you would iron harvest be something you're being interesting streaming Is that a new RTS game I saw on steam once like steam punky World war part of that. I don't know. Is that the one? I saw it and look kind of in the string what I never checked it out. But yeah, it might might be It's it my answer to those recommendations based on the same as efab movies. It's possible Well, yeah, because the honest answer is um You know, I appreciate that you would be interested in us consuming it and there's possibilities in future that it might be But there's we're certainly not like Putting every recommendation onto a list that we absolutely will definitely do. It's like that's just not gonna be possible Nor would it be like reasonable. I don't think Um, but uh, you know, I always appreciate a recommendation and some stuff does come out of it, right? Like you're in there. We check out different things. Like, you know what? I did like that thing. Well, yeah, bad Uh favorite human companion the me series rags mess effect, obviously um God they were all kind of Miranda was okay in terms of character. He's probably my favorite in terms of human character No jack is probably my favorite in terms of human characters. But in terms of which one I would play with the most It was kaden elenco From mass effect one and here's the reason why Because kaden elenco had access to decryption And decryption was a skill that you needed in mass effect one to open a fairly A non-unsubstantial amount of locked crates and doors that would give you many good items So if you did not yourself have decryption Then until you got garrus or until you got Someone else who had decryption. I like tolly Um, actually, I can't remember if cares had decryption. I think caught tolly did but until you got someone who had Sufficient decryption You had to carry kaden elenco's ass around so that you could unlock All of that stuff that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to even open So that's who I played with the most and you might notice that is not for a character reason That is correct because these games are not perfect What? boo That's garrus did I yeah, I think yeah, I think garrus did yeah And garrus is someone I I enjoyed having on the team Overload was always a good ability and decryption was just an excellent passive You get tolly at the very beginning go before you start exploring Um, you get you get tolly you don't get tolly you get tolly in the citadel the first time But you still have to do stuff before you get tolly because you unlock tolly After you save her from I think black sun thugs in that alleyway So if you often wouldn't have her you wouldn't have her until that point Um, how would you rate like mass effect as a whole as a gaming experience like if there were a 0 to 10 for this? um I'd probably put it like around eight ish in total pretty good They pretty decently high, but a lot of it's you know, like the first mass effect is the most different of the series. There's a lot of You have to think about where you're gonna actually go And how to get there and there's not as much hand-holding in that it's it's more of an old schoolish rpg in that sense mm-hmm And two and three are really solid games, but I'd probably say eight as a whole That's quite high for me and eight is an eight is very good. So oh, yeah, we're in I already know we're in good territory for an eight Like the inverse of the two where you're like wow, we're in some really bad territory for in a two massive effect um The chickens didn't shoot themselves and you know who else didn't either abstein Dun dun dun Dun dun Love the gaming streams and discussions so much. She has molar high rags and congratulations ringy Oh, hi Yeah, I'm sure you'd appreciate it. I'm Absolutely, we love them too, you know We talk a lot about movies and tv shows have crapped in quite a bit as well But it's always nice to jump back to games every once in a while You know, what was it rags your domain your uh This is the games of your thing, right I don't like to think they are. Yeah, I thought that that's my kingdom my castle's built out of game cartridges and I mean if mine was to be one thing it probably would be film But at the same time I've watched a shit ton of tv and I've also played loads of games So it feels weird, you know, it's like, you know, it's kind of just like all over They're all neat. I like it when stories happen and mechanics happen I just hope that they're better than not good And what number in a one to ten scale would you say that a piece of media is worth a watch? I mean that depends what you want to do That one's tough I was yeah There's a variable attached to worth watching and that's gonna be on the person so If someone was like would you recommend Resident Evil 8 be like nah, it's like but I love seven Would you recommend it's like oh actually, uh, you it'll be worthwhile for you Just happen to yeah Better than seven So, um What is it's like, I don't know maybe five plus because um in a general sense It's like it might if you can get This five plus that means that there's a good chance the person will at least enjoy it and possibly really like it just Yeah, I guess Kind of hard to call that though I was very bothered by the fact that the hard core and village of shadows unlockable weapons are worse than the end game Plus magnum why more the why why why? Dude the lightsaber man like Why in the world would you make the lightsaber? Not a lightsaber. So lame. What is the point? It's so funny as well because like when I first pulled it out I was slashing it around and stuff And I think someone in mel's chat was like, oh, there's there's multiple modes You know, there's the damage mode the heal mode and the defense mode And it's like you don't want the damage mode. It's like I was on the damage mode Oh, well big sad And yeah, the only value you'll get out of it is being like hey friendo I have the lightsaber check it out and you swing it and then they go, huh? Oh lightsaber. Yeah, okay That's it. You got double s rank in all of mercenaries for that Because you're not going to use it I swear to god if anybody fucking used it for anything other than achievements or for the cool factor I'd be surprised like if anyone thought you know what I'm going to pull out the lightsaber here Or like a meme challenge run or whatever because if you've got that you've got infinite weapons at least one of them Yeah, I know that point why even because the I don't know if you guys noticed there's a lot of grabbing in the game And if you get close to enemies you're gonna grab you they're gonna touch your butt The lightsaber requires that you get close to them. Wouldn't that have been cool? An alternate fire as much as it's goofy whatever the whole fucking game is lost at this point anyway If like alternate fire was to throw the lightsaber and draw it back with you know the force but The chronicle force. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That would be really fucking cool as a meme weapon That would be cool And I really feel like if this was made back when games were really cool and had bonus shit that There would be unique animations for just cutting them in half It would probably be one animation, but it would still be something And why is the handle for the lightsaber so lame too? It looks so shit like it's like a Yeah, why looks poopingheimer, so I don't like it. Yeah, it was poopingheimers. You're right Probably having poopingheimers. It's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why you I do not know why Um, hello again all the giant in Resident Evil 8 is called urias But being a romanian, I believe they wanted to call it urias which pronounced u-raish u-ra-ish Urias Which means giant in romanian. Hello to your guests Hello, hello, you know, I thought urias was kind of a cool name Urias. Yeah, I think urias is a nifty name I thought it was weird that you can kill them at the beginning But I guess he comes back or that's just a different one. That's like Yeah, I was gonna say I guess this is more than what urias it makes you think like it's his name Not that it's his species or something. Yeah Yeah If not the urias are A big troll people. Okay. I think there's even a isn't there like even Just a second one in in the cutscene Right after you kill him in the first Section, I think you're right. Yeah, I think there is I'm not actually 100% sure because I've killed him. But now I can't remember. I'm pretty sure he shows up Yeah, I would need to check my stream But I Well, do you know what? Do you know why I think there's a second one now? Because I don't think I don't believe for a second they created an animation that didn't involve urias because that would take Effort and it would matter what the player chose to do. So it's like no, they wouldn't have done that But perhaps my bias has now come through and they did Who knows Uh, the dimitresks are morons. Their invulnerability is at a whim of a broken window Yet they don't completely cold proof the castle. They don't escape when they can transform into flies Yeah, they're very dumb. They're incredibly stupid. Everybody is in the game including ethan and chris. Everybody's a fucking moron They're all in stamos How else can you have the game run and then you have people being like, yeah, but resnil has always been stupid guys Fine. Stop it It started seven minutes ago. It's a sign seven minutes Fire an opg into his face Uh, if you're gonna go on a killing rampage do it at the school for the death You'll probably get more kills rich evans 2015 That's fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, where's the lie? I would say That is weird that no one's done that like actually You think it'd be really a lot. Why haven't people do they just not think of it? So they forget that those are places that exist or as much as they would be How many schools the death are there I guess And I wonder there's probably the teachers probably on death, right? They're probably like they're they're late Probably not but you'd think that if you were gonna, you know, do that sort of thing, you know traveling Two one wouldn't be that much of an ask, you know Oh The crew rise gonna come out with a critique of school shooters Expose a maybe people that don't hate each other that much so they don't shoot each other up That's right You know sometimes you shoot people because you love them mel, okay? I haven't done that before Um, I just dislike that she's completely invincible even mr. Axe was very different from old re2 would drop to his knees for like 30 seconds in remake I would have Thoroughly appreciated her having a stagger function that knocked her out for a minute or so that would be very nice but That's off. They just didn't want to do it Will you check out love death and robot season two? I have not checked out season one Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I've heard of it, but Chase no one know what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going I don't know what they're referring to with that one Yeah, I don't disagree Wasting my first super chat. I'm such a noob second try then thanks for all the content guys Wouldn't have been able to paint so many miniatures without having your Long content to listen to thank you Hey Yay, hope you're having fun with whatever it is. You may be painting Absolutely I haven't played rea. Is it true lady dimitresk sentenced the protagonist to death by snoo snoo? If only She she basically says like yeah, we'll eat him as soon as we get permission from lady maranda and then you just escape Lane and they don't take your guns or nope Who are you mad Look at all the coins I have epic Um a monk is quiet needs turning up. Hopefully I turned him up If any of your messes watch the castlevania series, I watched the first and second season and it was pretty fun That's all I remember. It's been a while I've heard I I hear generally good things about it But it's an anime. So I don't know what that means Um, if this isn't read on super chat catch up odds are chases still here So tell him to calm down after you read the part that demands you play ddlc. Don't worry. He's not Right now He's nowhere to be seen I've missed chase with every bullet so far You guys get it No, it's plain like I miss chase And then it's like with every bullet so far Oh Uh insensible made an adorable effort to be good Uh, if I would choose a word to describe it show it would be cringe I think they mean I think they mean invincible So invincible made an adorable effort to be good. And if I had to choose a way to describe it, it would be cringe. Damn It's theirs. I heard so many different takes. I know same But if I have to want to go near it because who knows what'll happen open up a hatch of bees the crocodile bees We don't want that Jurassic park e fat movies when also high rags Hi I am more than up for doing the arc for Jurassic park and uh, yeah Who knows when that may be I'm going to finish up the dc one soon I say finish up as if there's not going to be more there will be but you know Yeah, we've got the the war movie one going Um, you know, who knows what else is gonna come Hey rags I started playing mass effect for the first time on pc. Are you proud of me also high? I am good for you That's terrible Holy crap is more people in this panel than were present for my mother's last gang bang All right, that's Indicative of of something So there could have been between two to eight Yes people during that which is Pretty different. Yeah, it's yeah Uh, hello to whichever guests are still present also high rags Hi I'm all uh, hello. I watched a buffy an angel because you unliked it. Oh, well, that's good I'm glad you liked it Uh and high rags Hello, I switched to and built my pc because of your videos. Thank you wonderful massive. Oh, that's great Here you go See we're we're helping out different people one recommendation of different kinds at a time Rags this is a movie trying to be the game is the lamest criticism I've heard of this game shut up and go back to playing sinua walking simulator. Oh No, but sinia sinia was good at what it's trying to do So I don't mind it nearly as much and I've been very clear that it just does it right for me subjectively Sinua does it way better than this game tries to do it Yeah, and people said that about this game. It's just Like our soma's a walking simulator, you know, and it's like, uh, I mean the thing It like if someone said like there are more mechanics and resoniably than there aren't soma and I'd be like, well Yes, um, however The way that you consume these these pieces of content are kind of indicative of what uh What's missing right because like what's required versus what's missing what's there and I feel like resoniably almost hates the fact that it has to have shooting mechanics. It's like, uh, yeah There's so little of it. That's actually happening and what's in there isn't good Whereas resoniable force just like this is our combat. Enjoy it. Saber it get better at it. There's lots of it Also, by the way, I don't think it's fair to like cut these things out and then just say they lame on their own So if I gave you every criticism I had of resoniably and then I ended it with In short, resoniably is fucking lame And if someone went like Resoniably is lame. That's like the shittiest criticism I've ever heard. I'd be like, well, I mean, it's it's all the other stuff I said like it's not just that It's just something that I was saying with a conclusion And if this is the beginning the whole point is that yeah, you're getting the bloobs And then you get 10 hours of us talking about it And boy did we talk about it Now also Fringy best guest fact die mootle. I love you Oh, it should Wow Wow, you can't take criticism. Yeah, he's I don't know. I didn't want to say it, but you know I have to compensate for my tiny penis Metal can you ask the host if there will be a new efap logo that puts fringy with the other hosts? Uh, the question what that question was because I forgot half of it already It's um, actually in creation as we speak It's on the way. I was hoping to get it ready before the thing happened But timelines just sort of moved around and you know how it be But yes, there will be a new banner. It's on its way Gonna be wonderful Greetings rags Hi, I'd say it's great to see you all but Chase is here Oh Rude four chains Uh rags you just like do maternal the most video game video game ever for the the minorest of stuff Yeah, I'm not what I said it was minor. I just don't want to play a game with Shooting that I don't that's fine. I guess that's space between Like why how come I don't want to play a shitty platformer kind of How much platforms in there because I never actually got to play Yeah, there's a lot of really crappy platforming in doom eternal like it really wants to it really think weird It really thinks it really wants to be a platforming game And it's really not a good one either And it puts it it really pumps the brakes on a lot of the gameplay and it's really unnecessary And I really don't like that about it and I don't think the gameplay is like that great But I don't really I don't really care that much about do maternal So people get super pissed. I just I just don't care about do maternal So I don't care what you have to say about it Well, they went on to say your objective criticism in games is voided Okay, I love you say so All right, then All right, then I didn't like this one game. You liked your criticisms of void Uh, I'm sure do maternal the platforming is pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad And I didn't fine with it. I just don't like I just don't like it I don't like a lot of the decisions that they made with a lot of the game stuff Just kind of reminds me of them Hate it when platforming of any kind turns up in Dark Souls games I'm like, please no and Dark Souls 2 did a whole bunch of random bits of platforming. It was like, I beg you to stop, please You didn't build a game that was capable of doing it. Stop doing it Uh, I swear every re story is complete garbage. You think they would have learned by now I'm honestly curious if they hired a writer next time and they wrote a story that what would happen Would the re community like be upset because the game isn't crap I mean the story is because the game is like both with seven and eight They clearly want to have like stories with characters But they're shit I refuse to believe that if re seven and eight were written by a really good competent writer And they were really awesome stories that people would be upset. I refuse to believe. Yeah, there's no way There's no way they'd say that they what they do is they use it as a defense mechanism to say this But that's what that's what a lot of people in chat were saying. It was always shit It was always shit as if that was an excuse for how shit it was like You we would all be saying like how fucking awesome is it that this resident evil actually has a story that's not retarded. How cool is that? And you definitely as as you said you you get the sense that that's what they're going for when you first play Resident Evil 7 you're like, oh, this feels really different like we're taking this seriously now And then the game is like no not really like oh, okay Yeah, just saying the real level rags oppression of heisenberg has become my mental voice for him. Oh, thanks I wish we had more heisenberg. What can you what can you do? Absolutely Oh my god, my shot speed is insane. Did kuckman work on ari village? No, I don't think so It's not bad. That's why they're look just because it's a bad game doesn't mean he must have worked on it. Okay Oh, shit Yeah Hello more being a classic res evil fan. I'm a bit worried about the new fantasy direction the game takes Uh, really? I'm not I honestly think the resident evil Certainly at this point it can be anything like it can really they can do whatever the fuck they want and you yeah gonna be okay I think was it chase or john somebody said that they liked I think it was indigo gaming actually they liked that it was back in a mansion Because that they I guess they associate like the haunted mansion with resident evil. I mean, that's fine with me. I uh At the same time though if they want to experiment go for it. I I don't see why not Sure sure and to be honest with you this part of what made me Frustrated with this game was baiting me with werewolves and vampires. It's like don't you dare you give me that werewolf vampire content Yeah, you bastard. Don't be lying to me Give me van helsing. Give me the frankenstein yelling and and vampires going Werewolves biting people that's what I want And it's funny because you'd be like they do all of that in the game. It's like Oh Global chip shoulders to last a couple of more years confirms IBM. Oh damn really Damn you I guess I have to build all these all the factories to please all the Uh, we were on the verge of like streamlining really good. We were this close Chips to loads of people for much lower cost than expected and then kovid was like lol and it was like, oh, no I heard you needed silicon And all my birthday how thoughtful congrats to fringy on the promotion moley you gay I'll take that's fine. You know, that's fine. Uh, hi am hi rags. Hi Also, I looked on your channel, but could not find anything on resident evil 2 remake. Did you play it? Hello your guests? Uh, well I I did play it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry like fucking question whether or not I did it's like I definitely did I just um, I didn't complete it I didn't stream it either. I was just playing it So there isn't anything on my channel about it new Don't you dare start complaining about the mouse speed after I had to go through this on controller Don't you even you don't even slow Oh Oh, yeah, the mouse speed thing you're saying. Yeah, I had to bump my mouse speed the sensitivity way Up when I first started playing res evil village It's it is extremely low. I remember doing that. I was holding the baby and I was like, I need to move faster than this This is not good enough I could start twilling around and possibly throwing the baby around really good. Yay where it should be Uh, currently rewatching all of evap on 21 right now. Hope y'all are doing good I've been watching since wolf took his first break. Glad I could finally pop my super chat cherry Oh Oh boy. Thank you very much. How it's Exciting Mr. Moodle you are very nice in this show. Please come more Even more Uh, hi rags Hi, and I have a question for chase who you're chasing Anime, there's the answer All the thoughts on ethan biden Ethan biden, what's the meme there? Is it the does ethan forget things? Uh Probably I am not sure what you what's what we're suggesting with ethan biden unless ethan biden's an actual character from something else They just I assume it's a meme though. I reckon you're meman I'm afraid I don't quite get it though Hmm What evil do residents commit in the village? A lot of it. They worshiped a spooky cult god person and uh, well you get what you get when you do that Death Um Why the game's so bad with no f of e option? Is it's a wonder that we all had I suppose And which resident of game Go ahead. Uh, oh, yeah, it it's very annoying if um, I would say are they asking why f of e option? Or it's bad to not have f of e options or Well, it's a little bit the english isn't perfect. So they said why the game's so bad with no f of e option So that could mean Why would they not have an f of e option or it could be why is it bad to not have one? I'm not sure Uh, but obviously on one hand it's bad because it fucks with your perception It's really frustrating when you have things locked off your screen from being able to view and you wouldn't normally If only they would give you more space and It causes motion sickness for a lot of people too I don't have that issue myself, but I find it fucking annoying I like me some f of And yeah, and that's for like why they don't have it. I don't even know. Hopefully that's going to come in an update or something For the amount of options they have you'd think they'd have that Yeah, clearly a lot of work went into it, but they just A flat-out don't have enough of the option. Yeah, that's a bizarre Remlazar Oh, yeah Yeah So which resneval game the whole panel liked the most and least the most for me is four Both for ranks Beast yeah for me is Hmm, I've never actually thought about this It might be six Because and I'm not even going from anything reference other than what I remember and I didn't like it so That's actually it might be interesting for us to play that so I can finally figure out what's going on with six Because like I I'm pretty sure I tried to play it twice and I only got a few hours in both times And I didn't like it. I was like, why is that? Um Yeah, probably six because I didn't Because the only other competition will be seven and um, I just from memory I I kind of liked seven more than six. So yeah, so we got to work with all right you two next go ahead My favorite was four. My least favorite was re2 remake mortal Uh, I didn't play that many Let's see, which is our player played, uh, I played re3 Then the re remake or out of three make whatever you want to fucking call it with the stupid fucking names Uh, which has a resident evil four obviously, uh, I played five And then eight. I think that's the only ones I've played None of them were terrible for me But I gotta get you playing resident evil four then Wait, I did play resident evil four. No, I mean just again. Oh, I mean that's just gonna happen at some point Uh I don't know which one would be the word like I guess Overall re8 would be The worst even though that's one of the ones I played the most Yes, well, so this is kind of the difficulty with the question It could end up because it would be like so you're saying that um re6 is worse than seven and eight And I'd be like, I don't I don't know. I guess I'm just going from like a quick memory. I don't I don't really know Yeah, pretty much Just something I before right now. No do it Story in this game genuinely pisses me off Um, this is coming from someone who likes resident evil stories, which are usually pretty dumb Yeah, it's uh I get the frustration of of listening to people talk about how nonsensical it is when you're like, wait I thought they were all nonsensical. Why are you doing this? But at the same time? It's like that doesn't mean we should never talk about these things like come on If someone played resident evil five was like, I really hated it because the story made no fucking sense I would honestly be like, yeah, probably I've never really thought about it. Yeah, the r4 story is not great I just I don't it's and it's almost like, um, I don't know Why don't you know it all the in-depth reasons for why all the different resident evils are bad? It's like, why I guess I I haven't played them recently. I've not even thought about it But this game was brand new. It's very story driven um And if you try to take it seriously and care about something in that then you're going to be very disappointed because nothing makes Any fucking sense now. Mm-hmm. I find it infinitely amusing But you'll try and argue that the game is like nice fucking nonsensical on pivots But then it'll be like look how meaningful and sad the sacrifice Ethan makes at the end is like the only way I can care about that is if I start to think about how everything works in conjunction with it and it's all nonsense So which is it? Do we laugh at how silly all of it is and not actually care about my story? Or do we actually like take it seriously and talk about it and bring it apart because good god I'm like it baffles me that so many people are like unable to grasp what we said about duke It's like yeah, fucks with the whole story significantly like why is it so hard for people? He's not like the merchant He isn't they want him to give the vibe, but they do too much to him to make him into something else But they want to have both things, you know Yeah, I understand the story pissing off a whole bunch of people and make sense to me Um, I don't know I find myself preferring linear games to open world games They find open world games tend to have a lot of pointless busy work That's why I wanted to get away from calling it linear It was more the railroad was probably the the weird I wanted Um, because plenty of games are linear and awesome I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and I totally agree a lot of open world games That just filled with fucking empty trash and it's just like Sometimes you want an experience that's like tailored to a specific thing So that you know that everything you're doing has a point instead of just I'll go over here and Here are these three bandits and take their selection of low-level pistols and some water and then yeah Yeah, water. I'm doing things Meanwhile in that game. It's like, oh, you know, you go to a room and there's all this design stuff You define because someone built it um But yeah, like Resonable four we talked about this resneal four is very linear, um, but it's execution of linearity and the options you have mechanically and Other game interacts with you in a sense and uh resneal eight every time you try and go off script It fucking it gets annoyed with you. It's okay It stopped that Stop thinking it's rude Reminder that rags is a good boy all the butt scritches for ragu Oh, yeah Hello I don't know if I myself preferring. Oh wait, I read that Uh, I'm curious as to how much you think conveniences matter in a story at what point do they become a major floor and does the number matter I recently noticed that the deathly Hallows is full of them That's what I hear that the the Harry Potter films are actually full of these problems I just I've not watched them in so long. No, I wouldn't even know Um, I don't even think I saw like the last three or four It's about we've always said it's so it's about impact and then frequency So like if you just have a thousand conveniences that aren't too huge But are just in you know a fucking 10 minute story, whatever It's like well that sounds like a death by a thousand cuts It was a really nice way of putting it together. However Let's say rags that you were being trained for years in your little storyline to defeat the ancient guard metal Come on deal here like this huge guard and he throws things around or whatever And like you've been training up for like let's say three years I guess just a three year storyline of you training you're getting like magical powers swords and train You meet those crazy zany carousel great um, but you find out like moments before the fight's coming up the a big part of what you've learned has been like turned off per se like like a let's say The ability to draw for like you draw your power from some kind of like spiritual thing that connects inside you and uh You were injured in such a way That it's disconnected it and it's now made you pretty much incapable of defeating metal and you know this um But then you walk up to him And you're like well, I gotta fight him to stop him mel's like doing his little laugh because he knows he's gonna win He's he's gonna he's gonna beat you up But then you fall over and it and it knocks Your your spiritual connection back on And you defeat metal That's fortunate it's um Someone might be like that's one convenience. I'd be like that's a pretty fucking major one. Yes. Yes. It is one convenience big one though So I yeah, I don't know You could be like well, how much damage does that do it's like well Well, anyway moving on that was just a random example, by the way I was not at all alluding to anything chat. You're nuts. I don't know what you're talking about Wait, you're saying I'm not a god. Damn it. I know right boy Oh, you must be referencing when mel got drunk and said he was a god. It's like no That's weird. I don't know. I don't know what you're referencing But whatever it must be referencing like surely like that's a catastrophic flaw with a plot Like that's across some serious issues with it, right? Yeah, you'd think watching it most people would be like, what? People would be like really upset that that would be a thing like that sounds like a pretty serious issue That sounds like really horrible writing. Well, hence the thought experiment. I you know, I was just like let's think of just a random example See how it goes. I don't know. Hmm. Yeah Well, um, that one was pretty bad. So, yeah, yeah pretty awful Um, but yeah deathly hallows. I I don't even know which part of that is. Is it five? Like is this one of the ones that's later than It's a sub goblet of fire is four. So it's probably five, right? Because then it goes the half-blood prince part one and two, I think so, yeah The half-cum-chuk. No What? Uh, you know that feeling when you're working hard and sweating and some Kind of drips down between your cheeks. You can't tell if you shot it. That's chase Wow, wow You know, I'm sure chase would appreciate that you find that a music I'm really annoyed, but you know how that guy is treated at the end of man of steel I was saving a girl's life and she just laughs at him They ever remade hunchback of Notre Dame I could totally see them making esmeralda do the same thing to cause emoto after the sanctuary scene just being like Yeah, you saved me, but ew That was that was another take from chat. Wasn't it that really fucking annoyed me, especially it was like Rags points out like what a dick move this guy like clearly Put himself in major danger And he's like let's go to a bowl game and you laugh at him with the hell and someone's like wow rags Just you save someone's life doesn't mean they owe you like sex or something It's just like that's an interpretation Yeah If someone saves your life go to a bowl game with them Okay Just just won pretty chill because you already know that they're an incredible person You know you've already had it confirmed that they're amazing It's not gonna it's not gonna cost you that much and you know if you really hate the bowl game And you really don't want to spend time with them. Maybe they smelly You don't have to laugh at them. All right, you can be like, um, I appreciate the offer and uh I'm forever grateful for what you did. I just um, you know, I'm not looking for someone right now Yeah, like after what happened, I'm honestly I need it's a bit existential having a building fall on you Like I just I need uh, I need time Like simple as that Uh, that's an interesting question here. I think uh Please address some rags and maulers if convenience goes as far as characters conveniently ignore everything that happens around them in order For a specific event to happen Even though these already established characters are known as a smart and competent Destroyed us the writing I don't know about destroy the writing, but that's definitely not good when you have an issue like that. Yeah Definitely a category Characters have to forget stuff to make things happen is never a good sign There's a reason that passive perception is indeed is a dnd statistic Uh, did we nuke the duke at the end of re8 hashtag duke nukem? Oh, yeah, I think that was the thing I was gonna bring up like did Did he yeah, is he dead? Well, I guess we'll find out and RE9 I'm sure you'll turn up and it'll be like He is like a little carriage. It's a bit charred and he's like, yes. I I had some trouble there, Ethan and and I'm saying Ethan because Ethan will just be back for some reason Bomb voyage Ethan is a chad. How dare you? I don't I don't even why would you even say that? More like a chode Nice one bro. Thanks, man I chase despite how everyone bullies you on eFap. You're still my favorite guest. Oh Yeah, you got more chase content coming right up. We go the more combat eFap movies will be very soon Chases in all of it. This is a really funny edit All right, just between us and this mini. Okay, this edit where um, we're about to start And uh, john hasn't downloaded it yet And he's like, oh shit. I need to download it And so dash bullshit like does the edit of fast forward until he has, you know But he plays between then for one moment and it's literally just chase going So I really want to talk to you guys about the like names at adobe or something And then it just fast forwards again I Think you guys are gonna have fun with that. Uh, look look forward What's wrong with do maternal story To remember it I didn't play it as fucking weird and crazy and fucking nonsense. I'm all kinds of weird shit I'm afraid I have no references. That's another game I just need to play but I I don't know if I have a will now it feels like it's I've I missed my my chance to to give it a shot and I've just got no drive, you know And then magic bullshit happens I wonder if people would make the same claims like it's doom. It doesn't need to have a good story Not saying you are chat. Don't worry. I was just thinking out loud as I do. I don't Also, I don't care about doom eternal Uh invincible has a suspicious amount of vocal songs Volcal songs I hope we're not looking at, you know, snider cut levels I hope Uh doom sausage man tried to warn us all he did indeed RE7 was written by the guy who wrote fear That's interesting. Um, if only RE7 were designed by the guy who designed fear That'd have been did fear have good writing or was just a good game All I remember is mechanically it was really impressive. I don't I'm not sure about the story The best comparison is haunted house roller coaster Oh to describe RE8, I guess Kind of like I see what you're getting at when you say that. Yeah, I I can I I get what you're saying Uh join the stream to hear more let's say harry potter has big flaws. Gosh. Am I happy that this is finally being addressed? I mean I thought I was like saying that I don't I don't remember Uh soft magic universe like harry potter should never focus on using magic lord the rings does it fine harry potter does not Like I I don't even know where to begin with harry potter in his magic system I don't even know how it works off memory. It's like I I think it absolutely probably falls apart after you start introducing out and by the way we have this thing Oh, and by the way, there's this too. Oh, and we also have this Oh in this thing and you're like fuck. How does this society function? Everything is insanely magical And what you know like the three spells that are banned and avatica davra is like Kills people. I'm curious if you just like create spells. Is there Is there like variations like avatica dab room and it's like it causes an explosion next to the person instead? I don't know I got avatica dab room where it just makes brooms explode Yeah, and I was like I was because I think doesn't Snape invent the crucial curse or something He's the one who made it the one that's like torture or something like that I remember thinking to myself like wow, Snape's not even that old and he created like one of the One of the like there's no way someone wouldn't have created a torture curse like wizards have been around for What like a jillion billion billion years? This is where I kind of want to Probably avoid saying anymore because I'd have to rewatch them to know I know someone's gonna be like, uh, actually and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't remember a lot of our Harry Potter Well, I'm not a real fan What what determines their power levels? Is it like knowledge? Yeah, like how do you How do you get stronger because if like with With swordsmanship you're like, oh you train you learn techniques and Control of your weapon and hand-died coordination that you hone up for time And there's treatises on how you fight and the different fighting styles and then the physical training the exercising like you can understand what that is And sometimes with magic systems, there's An aspect of how but how do you get better? What do you actually? How how can one wizard be more powerful than the other? How do they? How does that work? You know Apparently Snape made a slashe curse Slashe curse the bleed you oh the bleeding one because he was the half-blood prince, right? Yes So and he made the bleeding curse and the bleeding curse was in that book Covers the opponent in non-lethal lacerations. Oh my god I just remember being a spooky case. I mean that's fucking that's certainly not going to be one that they chill with Like covers your opponent in slashes. I assume Yeah, I feel like that wouldn't be very sporting in a wizards duel. I feel like they probably not teach the kids that one. Yeah Also, you have Yeah People said Oh nice voice crack people excited for shadow warrior 3. It looks like it'll be like that you do gameplay wise And I'm kind of hyped for it. I haven't even heard anything about shadow warrior 3, so I don't know I don't know I don't know Also, I'm realizing with this mind dimension of harry potter There is a shit ton of people in chat talking about harry potter who know harry potter. You guys are all nerds Who know how to harry potter It's okay guys harry potter was super influential for this generation. It's okay. I don't blame you This is why I When we were talking earlier, I forget if it was in a recording or not when I think we were talking about wizards and I said that uh because when we hear wizards you think of Uh Gandalf and I think I think of merlin Yes, and then a lot of people might think of dumbledore Well, yeah, I was saying I think that in a post harry potter world when people say wizard They all think of harry potter that will be what wizard like means to them Yeah, maybe that's why here Which is Wizards is a strange movie it is but I would highly recommend everyone go see Ralph back. She's 1973 animated film wizards. It is Weird we should watch it. It's fun That was with uh, we were talking to that was shad. We were talking to about that. I think um That was before or during the mask of sorrow If that movies would by the way Yeah, it'd be fun to get that one out too guys. We watched the mask of sorrow for if that movie. It was good shit Yes, mark hamill was in that wow mark hamill was in wizards He was um He was uh shon Of course the uh Little fairy guy Well when you walk past the crypt the zombie bursts out of it to signify it's open All right Uh So I think this is when this is one of the why outlast though There are other horror games with no weapons where you run and hide and frankly outlast is terrible Why compared to outlast? I'm assuming that was chase brought up outlast. I can't remember Um, but yeah, you won't I don't typically bring up outlast. I I just I didn't like that game at all Big drugs to enjoy the game more chase face. I mean, it's probably applicable to a lot of stuff, you know You know what they say drugs are good for you Well, that is true. That's all they say drugs weren't good for you. Then how come there are so many doctors exactly Uh Matt Smith will be playing a Targaryen in house of the dragon the game of thrones prequel in case you're a fan of his Um, I've always thought his doctor was fine. I've I've never been Big into matt smith's doctor and I did see quite a bit of it Um as for him being in that show. I hope he is I hope it goes well. I don't know you can see photos from house of the dragon now Like matt smith wearing a white wig in case you care And Again, I hope it works out. I just Man, what a what a challenge you have trying to regain favor with the game of thrones fandom, you know Like we got a new show for you guys. Like, oh, do you you haven't finished the other one yet? He looks ridiculous in the wig. Well, you know what maybe they're gonna apply some CGI to it in post and it'll look great. They'll put some vaseline No, no complaints allowed the zorlin Werewolves or lycan designs are disappointing Yeah, I agree Yep Didn't feel like I got I was kind of just waiting to finally see like a more classic werewolf and I never I felt like I never did Yeah, they were just like weird animally Village people but with big teeth sort of the kind of harry there wasn't any I thought what they were gonna do Was like that's an early stage and as we progress through the game We'll get to more like wolf type people and then like a full-on werewolf type will meet, you know That would have been an idea because that's what happens in Because that's what happens in resident evil for Where the further you go through the more for the longer they've been infected and the longer that they sort of had it Which means that the pluggists have different forms and they do different things based on You know how mature the you know, yeah, I guess actually are Yeah, you know you're going through the woods and you kill maybe some randies and then everything is pretty dark There's like no enemies around. You're like what's going on? And then you hear the howl and you're like oh, shit And maybe you see the silhouette of it And then it and then it runs off and you're like, oh god. What is that? Like a big boy Because um, oh god, you know the the big lad you fight well Big lad of the like three big lads not your eyes, but the the bigger wolf ones Like if you ask me to describe that I'll be like a hairy creature. So I'm goes. Well, no, we're wolf and I'd be like, uh Hairy creature Uh a question I wanted to ask obviously we try to keep standards for writing consistent How does this apply to say musicals where a lot of dialogue tends to be stuff that people wouldn't organically say I feel free to gush about once more what feeling as an example I can't talk about that in front of these two But you should know there is very strong narrative read that episode is fucking glorious They uh, they put a lot of effort into Why everyone says what everyone says in that episode It's really cool Also poor cletus dude. He's just he's just beating himself up. Look at this Wait, what? Why can't you talk now? Wait, why can't you talk about musicals? I'm confused Um, so in musicals, they'll often be very explicit with how they feel and if we're going to be criticizing dialogue for being overt Would we not do that with musicals? But the thing with musicals is depending on what one you're watching also Please appreciate cletus right now. He's just he's having such a he's doing bad for the hillbilly name. Let's put it that way um so A lot of the time it'll be contextual with musicals that uh, I'm assuming you guys know But like a lot of musicals will run where people don't hear any of it like it's so like, you know like scrubs I think did a musical and um A lot of shows do and they sort of do the song or whatever and like it's unclear exactly who heard what and whether or not It was in their heads and and and you have to kind of work with it and judge it through context or the ip or whatever um Let's just say there is a time where it's done in something that I like a lot and they do it really really really well He's doing his best So, yeah, uh, you know Sweeney Todd's that's a musical me and rags watched actually I've watched it in the cinema I didn't but um, I like it. I like it. It's neat and yeah, there's uh I think Different musicals are gonna try different amounts of effort into into making the the lyrics sound a lot more like reasonable dialogue as well Well, maybe if that will cover a musical someday Uh, maybe maybe maybe By not against it. I don't have anything against musicals It's just that in that universe people just break out the song and that's just a thing that happens and it's a weird genre thing You know We're going fleshed it across a musical. Oh boy A lot of uh, ip's do a musical. It's like a almost like a checklist thing. It's like, yeah Did you see the warhammer 3 gameplay reveal? I have not yet. No, no I'm all hello. Hi rags. You precious doggo Hi How friendly you should check out the re4 hookman trailer. It's very similar to re8 Huh, all right. I don't know. Maybe I have and I didn't realize All right Do you think president evil village could have had a day night cycle for the werewolves and vampires? um, if you did probably the best way to implement it would be like, uh Uh, was it not dead by daylight? Uh dying light where Uh, if you are out during the day the werewolves are less Wolf-ish they're they're less they have that less of that canine component to them and they're more like the ganados from four And the vampires don't even come out at night at all But if you're out at night and you aren't in a safe house or a safe location Then the werewolves will transform further. They'll get more deadly and they will Then you'll have vampires that can come out which can get deadlier and deadlier as the game progresses to ramp up difficulty um, you But yeah, your idea is a good one But they didn't do that because this game is lame and not creative Yeah, there's loads of things that could have done it's vampires and werewolves like hello Everybody's done loads of things with them and muck makes it all right Um, apparently capcom said re7 was too scary. So they tuned it tuned it down in re8 What a crock of bull Yeah re7 I mean This is the thing re8 scares mainly come from um, there's a little bit in the beginning and then there's the spook house That's about it. I'd say re7 is there's a lot in the intro and then there's the spooky room That's that's really all I can recall in terms of the spookiest spook room Oh the puppet place Oh, well, so resident evil 8 it was the the puppet place resident evil 7 It was like the little girl's room if you remember. Yeah, I remember that part. Yeah, that was scary Yeah, and You know spooky the idea that they want to tone it down. So you don't want to be too spooky. It's like, okay Whatever you want guys Okay, yeah I've just been called a massive and i'm a german. That's very offensive a monk Yeah, we'll hear from my lawyers and the truth truly be called offensive metal I thought you were on my side god no Chat other re games did this stuff bad as well. It's still bad stop using this terrible argument. Oh, thank you super chat So fucking true Remember the first outing we had with this argument was probably the godzilla stuff and we're all just like what the hell What's happening guys? It's like godzilla is always poopy. It's like guys. It's not a good argument Yeah, it isn't great And once again because I just don't fucking believe people who say it like the idea is like oh gosh a godzilla movie that makes sense I'd hate that No, you wouldn't lie it You can even have goof that makes sense. You know, I mean like Resident evil could still be silly and also actually be like meaningful. I don't know You're a liar I think that should be the challenge writers, ho Uh, did you ever go to the doctor who experience when it was open in cardiff molar? I visited that eight years ago when it was open Um I don't think I ever did I almost did at one point But the thing is my relationship with doctor who has always been very tacit like oh No, no, okay Uh Because I really like lots of stuff in there, but then also I kind of think doctor who sucks in a lot of ways So it's uh, it's complicated That's a funny funny one in my chat rex. Can you please explain critical race theory to ethan and hint? Nice burq burq's voice Maybe maybe another time Ethan's like I'm really curious though He's like oh what a lord Uh, where's harry potter movie for you if for me it was GOF the fourth one gullet of fire Uh, I don't I just don't have strong memories of any of them to see which one was the worst if you know, I mean Do you guys have a worst high reporter? I know no, um, because I didn't watch any all of them not any of them Probably the prisoner of Askaban because that's the fucking time travel one yeah From what I understand that's a isn't like kind of a fan favoritey one Let's see if chat get all upset or not. I don't know I don't know Oh indigo gaming is in chat. Hello there. Hello. Hello. Hello. I'm travel one. That's people's favorite. Yeah, well, I Add it to the list rex Hey, uh, it's funny because yeah, like off top of my head. I'm like, yeah, the people typically say anything else about any This is like, I don't know. I don't know I don't remember the prisoner of askaban is the one I always hear people talk about it's like Give it here people saying like chamber secrets. That was my favorite. It's like people just don't say that I wonder why Like how interesting that in your world building you decided to make like a prison And the wizard the wizard prison is a place for like dementors Like you basically you're tortured and everything like I can't remember. It's funny. It's like if you ask me what the dementors do I'm like, were they people who fetch prisoners back or were they actually like they wardens? I can't remember. They were in the I think they were in the prison I think But I I think my favorite was chamber of secrets. I think Big snack, but I can't remember like almost anything about it and stuff But yeah, like Dumbledore gives her a time travel device so that she could attend more classes and like Wow Dumbledore. What a what a prick Dumbled um Dumbled idiot Yeah Tell rex to support him and he is an excellent doggo Some people against him because he's confident and outspoken which intimidates the insecurities Oh Am I be it? Am I be it? Yeah, he's he's confident enough to say prisoner of askaban Is not the best Harry Potter movie. Can you believe Such tizmary In prisoner of askaban they at least try to explain in time travel They didn't proceed to forget they have fucking time travel at all folks following Yeah Time well that was gonna be my follow-up If ever we went over how it works. I'd be like did they use it? What's the It's like this is the time we use time travel guys. This is it We got to use it to free serious black and save a fucking eagle horse This is how this is how we need to do it and then when like serious black dies spoiler alert They don't use it to save his life Or like they don't I don't even need to explain how this fucks everything up And that's such a massive catastrophic issue with series and that in particular that he just I can't get past it I don't think it matters how he's explained as soon as you've established She's able to do multiple classes at once with it. You're like, oh your world's destroyed Look However, that works you could apply it to so many other things and I know because I'm pretty sure there are people like no No, no, no, no, it does make sense if you both understand. Well, I've not watched it But I'm pretty sure that's gonna make some issues Or at least I have watched it, but not a while Wrote this seat down. That was a pretty crazy seat on my zag I finished an Eden run for Eden run for the first time. That's pretty cool Judas is bestest Eden is the randomized character No one likes randomized Fuck you, man. Oh They do nothing mortal Oh, no, why is that you're turning to things? Uh, what are your thoughts on god zilevis is kong and the new model combat movie? Have you seen them both? We have not seen god zilevis kong. We are gonna set up to do that not yet relatively soon We have seen model combat. We watched the 1995 movie and the 2021 movie back to back Mulan style And you're gonna get us uh react into it in the next couple of days. Hopefully There you go. Um, I know wrecked. Okay. The brief take is the the new mole combat is kind of shit Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I won't say anymore because you'll you'll see all of our takes in it Soon enough No rex, it's fine It's not like in the last two movie firms They need to collect a series of items in a very quick time to save as many people as possible Time travel wouldn't help in any way Yeah, it's insane like well because I think when she was She hadn't When she was making all the novels and she realized how big of a hit they were she's just I guess I'll do the next one It has that feeling it has the feel that there's no Overarching story or plan is like, what am I going to do this book? And then what am I going to do this book and she just sort of makes it up as she goes? That's how it feels. I don't know if that's what actually happened. That's certainly how it comes across Uh rags, you're a good lad. Here's a treat. Keep on Well, thank you That it that it dies And they break all the time travel traveling devices in the first book. Don't worry. They totally fixed it guys Oh epic Remember early efap when you guys talking about how a four to five Uh like cast people would be good and everything anything more would get unmanageable hence why I think it should be like A point of commendableness that we managed to maintain a pretty decent conversational flow with nine people Absolutely. It was not the easiest thing ever and of course people some people talk more than others, but I mean Of all the ways it could have gone. I think it went pretty well Yes, absolutely Apparently capcom said Ari 7 with oh, I read the one already Ari engine actually stands for reach for the moon engine Not resident evil engine stupid ain't it Reach for the moon engine All right. I guess is that like a sense in a sense of like, you know reach high do do great things Yeah, they feel phrases reach for the moon Even if you miss you'll land among the stars or something like that Or if you end up back on it for the moon Because the groundy it's possible Yeah Earth doesn't let us escape it that easily I'm still catching up. So this seems To come a bit late, but long man. I beg you say Josh Sweden Not even three times fast pretty pleased just for a little drunk me Gosh, Sweden. Yeah, there you go Um, well enough when I was showing flotilla buffy an angel he would call Joss Sweden Joe Sweden Hmm. I think he's just having fun with it. I don't I don't think he like actually made the mistake. He was just me man Joe, thank you. Look. I think he lives in Sweden. Actually. I was just a lie Well, he probably is fucking living and hiding in Sweden now with everything that Joe of Sweden Bum bum I'm not trying to be a movie. I'm trying to be a light gun game Which they have made just as many re light gun games as they've made main line games Um a light gun game Oh light guns the those sort of thing on the piece too. Oh I actually have some of those With some of those arcade games you use them on your tv. I actually don't know if they work on flat screen TVs That's probably fun. Just having those. I have like two of those light guns Probably somewhere in my dad's garage still pretty good Do this stuff high mootle high rags. Hi long man. Hi. Hello Also, I will be back in just a moment It is No, it can't be bad. It has thick vampire dommie mommy Oh You can still enjoy her No Do it Um anyways rags, what do you think? Oh, he's gone Second deal Oh, well, they said what do you think of re2 remake improvement or stuff as similar problems to eight So you would have gotten a whole bunch of re8 remakes stuff in this stream. Anyway, so that works out Uh Hello Hello, hi Now given the puzzles here are pretty simple I was wondering if you had any general insight on creating good puzzles or many mist many mysteries for fiction Well, the first tip I give you is don't put the solution right next to the puzzle in a note form Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's one It's a bad jungles Uh, I feel like that's gonna that would be it's like own whole breakdown anything like how to make puzzles And that's a tough one in fact if I was set to write like a um, I don't know a detective thing or um Even just like a like a Lara Croft or Uncharted like like two puzzly thing I'd be like time to go and consume all puzzly related things to do with this to figure out What makes good puzzles because all I know It's that the ones in re8 barely qualifies puzzles and it seems That's the idea is the the more time goes on the the easier puzzles will get because you don't want to have players struggle too hard You want to try and make them go like oh my god. I'm so smart. I did the thing Yes Because uh cheer here Peter pedigree definitely saw run jerk off I I guess I guess that's a thing. Well, Peter pedigree was Been into a rat right and there's Ron's rat We kept the rat in his room and yep. Yep. That's yep Nasty But yeah, it's kind of hard to sort of give general advice on puzzles I would say but um If we had more time to like I have a tiny Isaac as a as a buddy You don't have a stream up, don't you? I do not I've never seen that others knew that's hilarious Do they do what uh, what are you looking at? I have like a tiny Isaac as a buddy or apparently they're called micro friends someone in my chat says What they do? It's the micro cell or whatever you picked up. Oh really? Okay That's funny So happy. It's like yay adventure. I hate it when you're happy. We have to stop this Not the guy on the on the that's following me. I'm still crying for a second. I was so panicked Hey lorem Wait a minute Hello, hello Playing hit and run and also Isaac. Yes. Yeah, he's very nice Um Frunk Uh, if you have you got the stream of free I do. Yeah, if you scroll can you see what we did in the opening two hours? Uh Oh, did you cover that? Write a post. Yeah, I was gonna say since you're here. Do you want to you don't have to be long or anything But your your thoughts and feelings on that post um Like god damn people some people just hate rags In order to justify that hatred you just being completely disingenuous or like making erroneous claims and I I don't get it man. Like um, I think I think what I find what I found the most frustrating No, that post was the implication that like rags sups and arguing And that other people always need to come and bail them out rags is very good at argumentation. He's like he's he's he's um He is well well above average When it comes to being able to express his thoughts coherently Whether or not you agree with them is one thing but like god damn the rags is good at making arguments I don't yeah rags. It's a good boy. Yeah, basically Yeah, a lot of our coverage of it was Me and basically being like so this thing that says rags his character is terrible is not true Let's go over why and just um like I if Ever I don't know why anybody would wouldn't think that rags hadn't actually played resident evil I'd consider how in depth his claims were about that game Oh, like I think even in the reddit post they said that he had only played four and it's like dude more or a rags streamed five What are you like what? It's a they claim Cibletadiously that rags spoke for 40 but he also had nothing to say And he basically the claim is like that he would wait for us to make points and then he would just echo man Yeah, it's just like man What were you listening to? it's like it's so unfair and I I would I would uh Bet that the person who wrote that post is still pissed off about atlas I'm a little I wonder if that's the case Well, yeah, maybe they really like resident le who knows Well, I think in the post they said that they thought it was bad It was funny because they were trying to say things like yeah I agree that like one bullet killing instantly. That's good. It's like that's not we didn't say that That's not what we agree with. Yeah, that's not even what I said. I just said like uh, if you had The 10 shots since I had to kill versus one. I would take the one. I am back. Hello. Hello So we won meeting of the e-mail posts and metal Oh, man Bringo is here and he was sharing his thoughts on that thread we covered, right? Yeah, it was pretty bad When you plan on bringing fringy on friday night tights and racks on the adamant set show I I as if that's like like I organize that I I didn't know that was my responsibility. I see what I could do I guess Go for it metal Yes, she runs she runs like a zombie or something Um, yeah, we also we went over it, but uh also fricky like the it's not even just the post itself It's the fact that it had like over 110 upvotes within like hours really disappointing like what the hell Yeah, like we expect better is kind of where that goes Really fucking late. I again get over atla. Holy shit Get over it couldn't say it better myself Uh off topic, but one thing that bugs me involving discourse is when people say unless you make something in this field You can't criticize it. Doesn't that's unintentionally invalidate a lot of the critics who praise them How do they not see the irony? Yeah, it's just a stupid thing to say in general. Yeah Yeah, because everybody always does I don't mean to be able to Well, yeah, because everybody always points out I don't need to like be a chef to know that a piece of shit on my plate is a piece of shit Like it's not you don't need to What what is the value in sharing anything that you make with anybody? If their opinion is irrelevant if they are not also a creator We had um during that's another one of the retarded arguments from chat One of the someone said like how many games have you made more? It's like the fuck does what the hell? Like is this 2009? Like are people still making this argument? What have you made? I've made precisely zero terrible video games. You know what exactly unless you've made also a criticism video You can't judge mine like that's how it works. Yeah, that works. Ha ha got you now It was um, it reminds me of when red led a media were covering obviously all the stuff Brie Lawson said, but she was like, um She's not interested in a four-year-old white guy's opinion They highlighted like a lot of the positive reviews for the room The the movie she won an Oscar for from like four-year-old white guys and stuff. It's like so You gotta get that award back. Yeah, like I just I'd be curious to point that out to Brie Lawson It's for like do you That's kind of tangentially related but in the same sense like as mel was bringing up Like oh fuck like who cares about your opinion. You've never made a movie It's like what if I had agreed with you? What if I had praised it? Would you then be bringing that up? It's like I don't think so And does that mean that as soon as I Make something it's like my argument's more valid than yours in for all time Well, yeah, imagine so, you know the person who said how many games you made more Imagine Neil Druckmann joined this fucking call and was like, yes I have a I'm more of an authority on this than you more and person in chat. You agree, right? they'd be like It's funny because it's it is argument from authority because you're saying well, he's done it therefore He's more correct as opposed to the idea of bringing somebody in who has authority is They're probably more likely to be correct because they have more knowledge. It's not who they are. It's what they say Still that's all that matters I feel like that. Yeah, the easy work around more. You just got to write a screenplay And then then and it could be like it could be like chris stuckman's and I'll be like, well It's a screenplay. So shut the fuck up screenplay. How many screenplays have you written? Finish your book for me. So we'll finally have cred. Yeah I just finished it sooner and then everybody will be like, oh, see he's an author now. His opinion matters more Like the idea that we all separate so like free makes his book I go and try and write screenplay rags is like I don't know tries to make like music or something And then all your game. Yeah, we all come back. You're like, what did you do mel? And he's like, oh, I am I make guidance the galaxy four. It's it's me What yeah, I was just you know, I was looking around experimented. Yeah, so see what you guys think Don't even know what happened It's like amazing and we all love it to death and then they're like come on for guardians five and you're like, I just I want to stream really Like I appreciate it, but you know you you guys good luck with that mcu Yeah, good luck with that their mcu. It's going great so far One of the one awards of the mtv, you know people's choice for best fight fucking unreal Yes Metalist James Gunn confirmed Yeah That sounds like metal is like, no, I don't really want to stream Fucking movie Nobody could see him At least a metal cut Yeah, man, I mean, I imagine you had some some character scenes in there for Batman, you know Yeah, watch it Yeah, where are we You're missing the point the game even tells you more that he was in heisenberg's factory planting explosives even when you saw him at the lake I don't know. I don't know what we would have what what is that what does that contradict that we talked about? I do not know. I think they're making fun. Well, I'm not sure if it's like a legit a pointer accountant Oh I think that so I was saying where was he the whole game? I guess they're saying you're missing the point He was at the factory the whole game. No, he wasn't he was in the village with his little stares like pack of computers and shit We see the we see that again in like a different cave near the village like the idea There's no fucking way everywhere. We went all over that place We didn't spot a single member of his team and neither them spotting us. It's like bullshit The place we move and it's not very big. Yeah, it's not And the idea is like no, they're all busy planting explosives. I don't know whatever Why is it that they didn't call in an airstrike? Why would they have just gone into plant explosives? Was that ever addressed? I don't know. Maybe Chris was like, no we can't for Ethan Come on He's out of his depth Oh, could you imagine that if they have him be like in the next game? He's like talking to leon He's like, Ethan is the bravest man I ever knew He probably will he probably will Is there oc? Ethan is the little oc So well, I guess he transcended oc and so like actually a legitimate character Well, it's not even I guess oc is not quite right. He's such a Like insert like an audience almost insert right because he's just he's like a nothing character Yeah Um because You get even like less of Ethan and resume will seven by the way. Then you go in eight. He's just a nothing You get flashbacks like him and Mia being like we're in love And then he's like Mia, where'd you go? And then she's like she sends you a letter saying like don't try to find me or whatever Or I think I think the message wasn't sent by her It was sent by someone at the house like come to the house Louisiana blah blah blah and then you're like okie dokie and then it's a spooky house Okie house and all it does is make Chris Dumber because the only reason Chris knows Ethan is because Ethan was willing to traverse potentially great distances to rescue A loved one in his family And Chris is like well if I kill Mia in front of him and take his daughter. He totally won't come and get me Yeah, I mean I never understood the logic. He's like if I told you the truth You wouldn't stop. It's like you killed his wife and took his child Why is that the events of re7? He did all of that shit to save a loved one. That's how you met Chris Why do you not think he's gonna come for you? I don't know you'd get involved if I told you so I thought it would be better to keep you completely in the dark That would definitely make you content I could have just explained this to you given you rose and took you both into protective custody Yep What's funny is um, no if you told Ethan in that scene knowing Ethan despite being an idiot He probably would have picked up Chris is gonna start firing more and more into Miranda. He'd be like she's not dead She's a fucking mold thing get fire Yeah This is not enough Chris. You should know better because of the amount of things that Chris do you remember that? Yeah, look everything in resident evil five had like seven stages Chris Any plans of covering army of the dead is not as new movie and it's really bad. I don't want to watch it Army of the dead I like I was talking about this yesterday Dave Matisse to send watching zacks and I'd interact to make him confident That he could direct someday. I find that really amusing It's like an accidental own It's like wow zack you make it look so simple Wait a minute And it's like why you didn't get that impression with james gun. It's like no he made it look real difficult because of the amount of things he would do Yeah, james gun gives a shit Well, it's not that chris. It's not I guess it's not that zack's not enough. It's not like I didn't care. It's just that he's bad Just good old fashioned incompetence But that doesn't exist in the art world. You see I can't believe that he came out saying wanna brother tortured me It's like thank you 70 million dollars to Rerelease your movie Well, man, they could torture me all day Yeah, I mean in fairness like in water brothers. He kind of tortured them a little with his movies like come on Well, I would say that the damage that's been inflicted on water brothers as a company is pretty substantial Yeah, dude, they could have been like alternate timeline And honestly the funny thing is if they'd given it all to jj abrams in the beginning They probably would be on top of the world to a degree right now They probably would be successful. Yeah, jj abrams knows how to make stuff that's successful. Yeah, like Don't worry chat. We think his stuff sucks But zack's neither manages to suck while also having like close to flop sometimes The problem as well though with Is like jj abrams isn't trying to be anything more than than what it is Well, his main goal seems to be satisfy the audience. That's like jj abrams thing Audience just sort of mass appeal like he's not coming out saying so you see the philosophical implications of the outside getting the answer life equation He doesn't he hasn't doing that. Yeah, he doesn't His whole thing is just yeah, let's let's just you know, make people smile and get them feeling that this is the thing they love That's all I gotta do Oh, apparently our discovery merged with water brothers. That's a water media that I was like to do today I'm not sure what that means like discovery channel. So like They can discover better directors to make their falcon movies Well, I wonder I guess I would just that's an interesting thing that like water media is merging with the people who make the nature documentaries I don't know Um I'm not yeah, I'm not sure what that's gonna go. But um, I hope this merger scuttles jj superman that ain't happen And the only thing that's gonna happen is that snider is not making any more like Didn't um Didn't want to bother to spend like half a billion or some shit on jj like the contract. So Big deal. Yeah, that's oh boy Lots of projects not just superman. I think there's also just to sleep dark and a few other things It's also mentioned like but jj ruined trek and star wars. It's like well star wars I don't think any of them flopped from from jj, right? No, they don't make money. Uh, I would I imagine that the rise of skywalker was heard more by tlj than itself I well, I think if jj had made the full trilogy it probably would have been terrible But like I think it probably would have been successful. I don't like it more so We'll be getting uh anthology. Yeah. Yes Because his tlj wouldn't have had luke doing what that was the thing that killed it all having luke be that way You know like all the stupid space chase stuff and all the the shit like even Whatever cat even kanto bite like I don't think any of it is significant as the simple fact that you made luke not luke And that was a huge mistake Yep, a lot of people didn't like that like nor that's a normie fail That's like regular people like, you know, my dad would be like That luke like I don't remember luke being like that Mm-hmm Um, I I guess that's the thing is Kind of awesome when people talk about how much they hate like the new direction that jj's going in It's like, you know what this superman movie is probably going to be more enjoyable than like the matter Definitely It would be hard to beat matter steal that was really incompetent and it sucks because Again, henry cavill is like man, I feel for you. I would like you to He is uh, yeah, he could have been peak superman Because I mean he he basically looks the part exactly but also he's he's demonstrated himself to be a talented actor He just need the right purse the right material Um Again though, I mean, I agree like it's really cringy that there is a black superman in the comics that they can use But they're choosing not to I don't I don't know what the hell that's about You know, I'm still will this rolls out. I um, I don't doubt that a jj from superman movie will be like poorly written or whatever But I'll just be surprised if it's as poorly written as man of steel I guess um, when you look at what dc is doing going ahead, it seems like Flash is going to just be like their hard reset where they're going to pick and choose the parts that I want to keep and leave out um, because Microphone is like absolutely going to be in it. I'm pretty sure there are set photos from the original wane manor like he's going to be in it, which It honestly seems like that movie is going to be a mess Seems like it's doing multiverse stuff where they've got like multiple different batmans and like super girls from different universes and stuff Coming in Indigo just mentioned demon lindeloff is the one who wrote the ad of last year's a horrific record. Yes, he does and he keeps getting work Yeah Yeah, it's i'm tony. It's who you know. It's it's who it's absolute. It's who you know Isn't that alex curtzman isn't he the guy who's written nothing but donk shit? Well I think it's it's who you know, and there's a little bit of did you make money? It's like yes, but my script was terrible It's like yeah, but you made money Yeah, yeah, I guess so and it's like right then write this So the guy who directed I don't know if y'all remember a little movie called Mortal engines that came out a couple years. Yeah, I know that one Like biggest flop in cinema history No one knew what the fuck it was produced by peter jackson the director of that movie He hadn't done really like anything before he was he worked On some stuff in brain dead many many years ago that peter jackson Had done one of his early movies And I think he was like the vfx director for the The king kong t rex fight in the peter jackson king kong movie And then he gets to be the director of Mortal engines million dollar movie and gets insane Amounts of money like 200 million Dollar movie and he gets to direct it and you're like fucking hell He was peter jackson's friend. So that's how that happened. Yeah Curtzman is supposedly easy to work with well I mean, I guess there is that element right like the people like because if people like being around you That can help a lot more than like whether you're good because I mean There are people who probably don't want to work with edward north Like yeah, yeah, the fact that he's an excellent actor because Which is kind of amusing because it's like maybe it's worth the trade-off of not having as much control over your story If you have a guy like that who's proven himself to know what he's doing I guess So complicated because if you have a director, he's like, no, I'm sure of this and then your actor's like, no, I'm sure of this Well, it seems like in general actors don't Get a lot of pushback on these things like ultimately what the director says goes I mean, I guess that is how it works because the director is in charge of the whole production Well, I think um Edward norm was a little weird because I remember reading that he would he would Demand that his version of the scenes get shot and so they can choose in post which sounds reasonable on the surface But when you're trying to get everything done on your timeline, you have him saying like record my scene now would be like No We'd have a budget like we need to Yeah, I think I think wasn't the the big one that American history acts like a cut that came out was not the one the director wanted. It was the one Edward Oh Are you guys any of you guys seen model engines out of curiosity? I have I think it would make a very good efat movies. All right What an interesting movie Yeah, Hugo weaving isn't it? Yes um I'm just curious. What was it about re8 game that got you into fluid multiple times I was just having fun and I was streaming it for me. It was just testing stuff out Yeah, yeah, even before I'd finished my first playthrough. I was just fucking around with it It happens M1 said a good puzzle game is one we are trying to figure out how to get to the solution not trying to figure out What the solution even is Correct. I was yeah, he he said that on an efap and it was a very insightful thing that I've made sure to remember when I think about puzzles Because this is something that puzzles absolutely can suffer from Where a puzzle designer might forget that the person who isn't them Might not even know what they're supposed to be doing. They don't know what the end goal is supposed to even be so Mm-hmm. So for you it's going to stream Selma, right? Oh, here we go again There'll be other games that I don't want to stream a halo infinite seems like an obvious one Yeah, I thought you're just gonna say halo general because it's well time as a meme Yeah So many games I want to stream halo. Halo sounds good. I want to screw that next What about the story fringy? Don't you want to absorb that in your own me time? so I don't know. Do you do you feel like you've got a gotcha here? Oh Like I don't even think it's close. I it's just not something we've been able to lay out thoroughly yeah, um I think I think um Again, I I almost feel like I play it by ear because there would be games that have stories that I would still that I have an investment in that I would feel compelled to uh To talk about while I was playing it Um, like I could easily see myself while I'm playing halo commenting on things about the like world building or the or the characters or things like that gameplay Whereas somer it's kind of like I'm totally blind to it. I feel compelled to uh, try and absorb it as much as I can on my own I don't know. It's just a intuition. That's all I've got for this one because there is no Yeah, because all I would present is the um, you know like that halo game for example if infinite I know crazy crazy idea Imagine it was good, right? And like you ended up streaming it. I think it's like super maybe philosophical or really deep and you just They're explaining like like what you're feeling about everything and how you think it's fitting in and what you're impressed by and stuff and then by the end of it you're like almost Blown away by how good that story was and then everyone in chat was like holy shit. That was uh That was something like hell. Yeah, it was It's just like yeah You're like, well, that's what over would be could be could be not would be And I just that's what that's mainly why I feel so confident in this position It's just like all I have to argue is that you shouldn't be so sure. That's all Yeah, yeah fair enough Well, schedule disagree speaking of mass effect I was waiting for anybody to all right fine. Yeah Rags the mass effect three ending never happened the series ends with shepherd and the crew having a party in their citadel apartment Also high rags. That sounds hey. Yeah, that sounds What's going on with super chats from one three five. Okay, so The reason I chose this selection today was because it was just on topic with the opening With the thread and it was literally like two days ago. It made the most sense to me Uh, we have got a backlog if you Like don't worry. We're gonna get to it all like I said the next e-fap it'll very likely be us for Uh, possibly if depends on metal can make it or whatever, but it's pretty much just gonna be reading super chats I just don't know when I'm when I have if I have time when you start when you start like an 8 p.m I've probably said some friends over. Yeah, the problem we had was a whole bunch of new things came out in a row And they were all long episodes of coverage So give us a sec. We're gonna reset catch up. We got to do a meme fap as well We still got Kong to watch and a bunch of bat woman And bat woman So yeah, just e-fap is stocked up right now And if it's it's nothing but worrying because this is the year of that everything was supposed to be slow media-wise and It's like when everything starts back up and there's like one movie per two weeks or some shit. We're gonna be like well I'm to pick and choose again By starting june, there's new marvel content every month Oh boy And also to a side squad and then next year there's like four dc movies and four Marvel movies and like five shows Plus all the other stuff that's coming out from all these companies Yeah, it's gonna be great I'm curious what's gonna happen with um with halo because it's gonna be like I wonder if we're gonna There's gonna be like an arc for that or if it'll just be the we just pick it up and I would go I think I think uh, I think because when I think about halo infinite I I feel like this is a very important game. Um because Whether it succeeds or fails probably determines the fate of 343 industries And halo right like as an ip and halo is my p because probably It's been it's been six years nearly since five came out. There hasn't been any except for halo wars two That hasn't been like a new halo game. That's the longest gap. There's ever been It's never longer than three years And it's double that from what I understand halo infinite is supposed to be a destiny-esque Platform oh boy like 10 years. You know, they're the whole thing if it's got to live for another 10 years so They have a lot of long-term plans for that game. I'm pretty sure microsoft doesn't have a lot of Stuff coming out this year either Halo infinite is going to be real important um And man, I would like for it to be good But the problem is that I I just I it's interesting last night I was listening to uh some of the soundtrack for that game, which is kind of incredible at the moment They they did a remix for our walk in the woods And it's amazing, but there were people in the comments like saying a game can't be bad if it has this soundtrack It's like a year Please do not mistake the talent of the composers With with like how good the development team is or like how good the the game is going to be It is this is what gets me real concerned I'm pretty sure that this game is going to lean a hardcore into halo c nostalgia And I think they're going to do that by just having a lot of remixes They have undercover of night. They'll have the covenant dance. They'll have all of these like songs That have a lot of meaning for people who played the original games But they'll be transposed onto this game And it'll be the same thing as when like civil war music playing in our falcon in the winter soldier It's like I I like this music, but like It has nothing to do with what you've created I saw people trying to justify it was like it makes sense because like it's a moment where falcon is becoming captain america By choosing his resolve or something or or walker is doing that, you know Why would it make sense for the sad music that's the theme of the film? Which is the heroes are fighting and falling apart Why does it make sense for that song to play when walker's doing a heroic thing? The thing with that's the problem with like musical interpretations Is probably some form of way you can hammer that in But someone could be like, uh, it makes sense because if you think about it this way blah blah blah I don't know. I feel like if you even just appeal to the major minor differentiation It's just like major usually means happy minor usually means sad. I'm pretty sure that one is in a minor Just because it sounds sad. It's it's like, um I it's you know in the same way that I'm pretty sure mysterious theme when it's the hero one It's in the major key and then when it's villain it's in the minor key I find it amusing that people shit so readily on those spider-man movies when even the music makes them really great choices that are kind of brilliant like Wow, you just said music being good does not mean that the thing will be good. No, I I know Everyone says a little bad. So it's just the little touches I would know it but in terms of halo, I guess it's just I people's memories Like halo five story was atrocious. It was a disaster um And now though, I think the strategy is we're going to ignore it, which is not good. You can't just ignore halo five You can't pretend to happen That's the thing we always wonder about is like if you were set to write rise of skywalkers, like do you ignore tlj? It's like Well Again, you can't and and the the cop out is You know, we've talked about how time jumps for the halo four six halo infinite. I'm pretty sure set Four years after the other games. It's like dude four years The entire halo trilogy took place in a few months and we're skipping ahead four years. Are you kidding? But it's because I want to distance themselves from as much as possible I can understand Wow, I can understand it, but Yeah, we could suggest and we play uh Alliance does ultimate alliance have online co-op because that game is a is a I do remember Isn't it uh ultimate alliance three I assume Does the steam vision have like I don't know that it was on steam. I think it was a switch exclusive Marvel ultimate alliance. Are we talking about the same thing three ultimate alliance three Oh, I I just meant the first one. I guess I don't know. Maybe the first one is but Three years on uh, that's where I learned a lot of like marvel stuff. That's not from the mcu Which allows like like I remember meeting Mephisto and I was like, I know what that is now And then they were like where I learned a lot of my marvel stuff I also got a lot from the top trumps. I think that's when I first saw apocalypse. I was like, this is cool All right, so it's a clarifier on the time jump thing. It isn't necessarily a problem. It's more just that It can it can be a problem because a lot of important stuff is just glossed over the clear example would be end game In that five-year time jump bruce had the most radical shift in this character Yeah, and and we skipped it. We didn't get to see it. It did we yeah, like that That is something that we could have seen but they wanted the payoff so they skipped all of the setup That's the potential pitfall that you can have when you're doing time jumps So do you skip the most important part which is how we got somewhere You just got to be careful. That's all It's not it's not something that I would ever say needs to be sworn off because sometimes time jumps are necessary Steam version has full player online co-op pure co-op Damn I'm impressed almost I'm just gonna I've said this before any time and say it again It's an infinitely fucking infuriating that the leg of star wars games don't have online co-op It's that shit. It's you bastards. This is our Will they develop by nintendo or what's I think well, you think the nintendo let's say you have to have this Yeah, and well nintendo weird with the fucking mario party, but um It's just weird just weird. Yeah, just weird. Uh, the funny thing is some people like it has remote play It'll it will likely have that just like I don't fucking care like remember we try to play a little hope with Yeah, a little hope. Yeah, that's just just like that's really worth footage belly Yeah, it was ass and to be honest with you I'm amused by the idea of the annual play of the retarded game for halloween But if we don't have the fucking capability of playing it Um non-tizami next year is like, I don't know if I can gas to go through the stupid remote play thing again Yeah, that's pretty stupid. Are they even set to release a new game this halloween? I don't know. I think they are Sorry Unless using the time jumps to give the characters easier setup for those characters backstories for new standalone movies Mortal engines is probably the worst book. I best book I ever read but worst movie I ever watched Where's your favorite and least favorite single scene in the MCU? Oh my goodness Jesus Most favorites gonna come from civil war. It's probably gonna be the final fight if that counts as one big scene That's pretty cool. Yeah, I really like that too It's it's not even um, it's not necessarily an argument from like what I think the best made scene is it's it's that's all Probably means the most to me because it's the cap and I am man's Giant clash sort of thing. Yeah, it's I mean, it's really good. It's pretty good Yeah, if you include the whole sequence like from as soon as I get there in the reveal I think that needs to count because if it counts then yeah, that is like my favorite MCU content ever And if we had a least It could be when they attack walker in the tv show like that I'm trying to think of what like angers me the most like that's one of them. It's so fucking rude If we are if we include the netflix shows then it might also be the scene I think it's in episode Seven or eight where matt's talking to his pastor about evil. That's a really good scene But I don't know if that counts we'll have to see when Daredevil apparently shows up in spider-man or maybe she hulk or maybe dr. Dr Rage because at least fucking room Throw out that are probably bullshit Don't play with a man like that I know a lot of people would choose um Yondu's death I think probably I think a lot of people That was really good. Yeah, I think that to be really good. Um I don't know. Yeah, I as like I guess they'll be mine as everyone else sort of gone through because I was just sort of thinking in my head Like what are even the best and the worst I really liked an in-game when tony star kind of like met his father when he went back in time Well, I mean I like that moment the problem is everything that supports it is bullshit. Yep. Yeah That's the thing like that's what that's the thing with in-game. It has all of these little in isolation Really neat great things, but then well you once you zoom out even the tiniest bit you're like Well, that's the thing I really like the scene with sam. Um, I do uh, but yeah, absolutely How we got there like depths and what it led to I I if I if I had to pick like an actual scene that was only a couple of minutes long It might be vulture figuring out the peter spider-man such a great. Oh, that seems real fucking good. Yeah, that's great Um, the lights changing on his face, which is why I get annoyed when people should not like just the filmmaking of that movie That's really good. Like this is well the fact that falters theme is an inversion of the avengers theme like come on They can shit on far from home a whole bunch homecoming those Much harder because that film is fucking great Yeah, I'm uh, I just I want people to leave him alone I'm shitting on him. He's like the best part of the mcu without a doubt at the moment Yes, because even even the guardians are in trouble with how we've left them from end game yeah, well, yeah, because uh Uh, uh, peter's got no consequences for cause basically being the thing that made the snap happen Yeah, he doesn't have to do it. I just mean like gamora's reset. Drax didn't get his off I guess rockets in a decent place star lord is like kind of like are we gonna get him to actually like address the fact that he Destroyed everything through his own problem is that the next movie is love and thunder. So I don't know. I don't even know how that's gonna work because like thaws with the god Like what's gonna what is happening? I don't know. Well, they're in it. The guardians are gonna be in four four Like they've they've been on set. They're definitely in it Um, but peter ain't or enough ring Yeah, um Yeah, rocket and nebula are good. Well, it's not the rest of bad. The problem is that there's problems and they need solving There might be problems Yeah, um, I mean even Dave Batista said that he was kind of not happy with the fact that Drax can get any sort of pay off with Thanos, it's like, yeah, I'd be a little upset too. Yeah That was like a big they really built that up and I'm gonna say like crisis Opportunities like this is a chance for james gun to turn that into something to have him be like unfulfilled We have a middle episode. That's the problem. There's a there's a gap Yeah I can what's he got a which does he even have enough time to address that if he has to do jane foster and all that as Well, I guess it's and or that's the worry right spider-man safe In a in a sense compared to them. It's just like well, we'll just have to see what they do with his movie We don't have like a oh no, I hopefully make sure to Make up for this fuck up that they've done. Well, because he's in a good place right now as a character They don't have things to account for at the moment the the concern is whether Having all these multiple spider people. Yeah, that's gonna, you know and and uh Dockock and all that if that's gonna cause problems, but but I guess the main thing is as long as peter comes out unscathed. I'll be happy If we get a far from home equivalent plot, I'll be happy Why Far from home assassinators. No, it didn't he just told you not to look at chair assassin Like I tell you don't look turn around Far from ruin spider-man. Are you insane? The reason why people say this is because they believe it's out of character for peter to when he gets nick fury tells him to help That he says like nah, you I you gotta handle like I can't and there are a lot of things that people forget in that scene One he aptly points out that if peter park spider-man shows up there They're easily going to be able to figure out that it was him Who is spider-man and then there's all of the repercussions of that that he has to deal with that He's not really in a position to deal with But also he's seen mysterio successfully take down one of these things It's not like his his faith in mysterio being able to do it is completely unwarranted and Just keep in mind that as soon as the threat shows up in front of him. He immediately jumped into action That's the important part unlike in spider-man 2 where penis or a dude getting beat up and didn't do anything about it He's walked away I would say that's pretty big assassination by comparison You want to hear pushback for me? Please submit sk comics on far from home. They even covered your far from home debate on their podcast Huh Please debate sk comics on far from home. They even covered your far from home debate on their podcast What happens if we don't Probably nothing we get to keep being right and they get to keep being wrong. Oh That's what happens. Well, um, you know, we did we've done did we do two debates for far from home? Um, not not like it's an impossibility. I was just like guys He said please let you have to Again to reiterate far from home is like a six probably I need to rewatch it before I It's just that because I recently rewatched winter soldier and like when you rewatch winter soldier, it's it's uh It's like if you really want to force free into this position, he will say things you don't like everyone, okay Yeah, because because ultimately that's the important part, right? So like far from home is not what I would uh Um, there's do you know about far from home fury messing with multiple Films, but it's not fury. It's tell us Well, I'm sorry. I I'm not letting you distract me back on topic. So the the actual contention It's not the far from home is good Because I don't know because it's six. I'm not sure if that's good. I would just say that's like okay above average um Well, and you're saying it could be subject to Maybe even lower potentially it could go lower. Yeah when I rewatch it Because it's just when I remember what the big criticism's where it's like the main cheap criticism with far from home is edith, which is Accurate like there are problems with either I definitely don't agree with the problems with the drones in terms of their functionality. I think that's totally fine You can find a way to explain it, but Wait sound like somebody wants to say something. No, no, no. No, go ahead. All right. Um, but the either thing Yeah, that's that's a that's a big problem. Um, winter soldier has a few ediths That's that's the big. Yeah, just a few. There are a few Ediths The main one obviously being the computer man. Um, the project inside was a pretty big one as well Inside is a big one Yeah It's it's pretty there are a few of those that's the problem. And so If we accept that edith is bad and the winter soldier has a few ediths like Surely that just alone would mean that Winter soldier is worse. And I feel like if an if an alien would to approach all this They would have noticed like what is it with this far from home one out of all the mcu? Why is that one like picked on so much? People hate it. Yeah And and that's I think to help explain for people who are confused like that's that's kind of where fringy's going with this It's like Why is it the far from home is a really shat on the reason why people don't like it is iron boy. Unfortunately I think that's a big factor Is is the iron boy thing it's like oh another villain who's created by tony stark. It's like what what what is your problem with that? Why does that upset you? The only reason that that would upset somebody and also like vulture wasn't created by tony stark who's created by the avengers and Both mysterium vulture are more peter's antagonists than they are absolutely peter's antagonists Easily not even close. And this is what I mean. I've never understood the iron boy criticism makes no fucking sense at all Yeah, especially when Edith's than winter soldier. No, it doesn't it has one edith What Don't do this to me. I can't handle this. I have my stream All right, have you okay? That's why I'm muted. So I didn't interrupt you guys. Yeah, no worries big smart Yes Far from home is bad for other reasons. It's but it's not bad That's that that would be my big thing like I feel like the lowest you've got to push me on that is like a four And if you push me to a four then winter soldier is a three like that's the main thing However low far from home sinks. It's like winter soldier has more problems Yeah, maybe maybe the scale does need another look at it And maybe the mcu really only has like two or three that float above a five. Who knows? Yeah, maybe what horrors are to to come I guess At another thing right is because we can talk about the problems was like what about the redeeming qualities It's like well, both of the films have a really good protagonist But only one of them has a good villain, which is far from home No, it depends who you talk to I've seen people claim that mysterious one of the worst I don't So Robert Redford red actor. Um the character he plays pierce is not much of a character really um He's just evil man Um, and of course, you could be like, well, no, there is there is elements of depth He just wants to make the world more peaceful by Going up a bunch of views. Um, but then it's like, all right, so uh, Mysterio People who are on who are being I feel kind of disingenuous like so he's just mad that his thing was called barf. It's like are you Can we can we not like I can we stop this please? It's just barf. He's clearly a little unstable as he even points out that Tony would have told him But in terms of just like the cleverness of Because ultimately it's just like what is what is this character? And it's like well, it's something that we haven't addressed in the MCU yet A man who sees an opportunity to basically trick people into thinking that he's a hero by using the hero's tech against him I I feel like that's just a fundamentally nifty idea Um, and I mean in terms of like the performance as well. It's I don't know. Jake Gillon holds a good actor It's a really good performance Yeah, I agree Um What do you think of the wonder vision Thanos seen in infinity wall is probably my favorite scene Although the cap winter soldier is my favorite MCU film Do you mean the one where she's blown up vision stone or in endgame where she fights Thanos? I assume they're talking about when she blows it up All right, that's a good scene. Yeah, that's yeah You know when I think She says like oh, he says like to calm it down. He says all I'll feel is you which is Pull back to like the earlier scene. It was it was pretty well done for the little time they had Yeah, yeah A shame that um, he's that death has been undone Like Mysterio's plan falls apart if it wins. How so? Oh wait, no, because I need to keep tracking that in chat. What do you mean? It falls apart if he wins You think he would mean if you had a super chance Is it is the logic that he would encounter other Avengers and they would figure out that it was drones Why would we assume that they would figure out that it was drones Peter couldn't figure out that it was drones It's a really convincing illusion I also am not convinced that um, he wouldn't be able to spin that anyway And also the main thing that he would need to do He doesn't need to create the threats anymore. He could use the drones to fake his abilities to stop real threats. Yeah That's his option now once he becomes I mean now that he's yeah, if he gets in using this Then he could use that as that's his weapon powers. Yeah Also, um take for example iron manga. He's he's running around. He's going And then mysterious like right, so I've got a defeat iron manga While looking to the audience like I'm blasting him with green You know goo or or create whatever. It's like well lucky for me. I can make oba daia. See whatever I want him to see So I can make him think that I'm blasting him with green stuff I can make him think he's falling it like like mysterious pretty op at his best He's unfortunately battling spider-man who is quite op as well Oh Again, uh, I'm really gives the glasses Uh to the scroll to give peter a six giving a 16 year old access to similar surveillance killing capabilities Helicaras in the winter soldier. Yeah Um, that is the edith problem. You know what's really stupid is that in the 1980s? They put a german computer man They put a german scientist's brain on a computer Somehow just and they always felt like one there are better ways to exploit They created immortality to a degree. Yeah in least the universe and never did it again. Nobody registered that And then he told them their evil plan because he's like, well, I'm gone die. So I'm tell you my evil plan use our whole evil plan. Yeah, and then Even and and the awkward part is cap shouldn't have survived and even if even if it was possible that he could That's nowhere near as close as stupid southpaw. Come on Come on Really? That's nowhere close to as stupid. Wait, what are we comparing they created in what's the the giving edith, uh, the glasses to peter Apparently it's it's less stupid that they created immortality through floppiness never recreated it again The guy told the villa the heroes the evil plan thereby enabling them to win the day And then got blown up and then that didn't kill the heroes and then the heroes got out of the rubble somehow And then the heroes escaped before shield got there Pretty dumb. Oh, yeah, it's catastrophic. It breaks the movie I don't want to understate how creating immortality through technology is like that destroys the world many times over Yeah, but uh, as long as we just don't address it, it should be fine, right? And that's just one of the problems You remember how at the beginning at winter soldier that the elevator fight by the way pay closer attention to the elevator fight There's some weird stuff happening in it. But um a lot of weird stuff and a lot of Let's go in order. He beats all the people opens the door. Oh, uh-oh Strike guys. I'm gonna slash the the the thing. Oh, we're falling at an uncontrolled thing. All right We stopped on this floor open the open the doors Another strike team did they know that you were going to be on this floor after you cut the wires? Like or are they setting strike teams to every floor? How do they get here? But that's not a big problem. And then he jumps out the window falls down And bold guy says just yeah, they don't create immortality zola dies. Jesus christ Oh boy But to continue with that point he jumps out falls down starts running for the garage Bald man says lock down the bridge In the time that he says lock down the bridge and the bridge is locked down Captain america gets to the garage gets on his bike and jumps through the doors as they close How did he get there so quick? Like how long does it take to lock down the bridge? Does it take like 10 minutes? If they locked down the bridge as quickly as they could have that's the end of the movie Cap is captured What did he jump off to get through those closing doors? He like launches into the air But yeah Wait, oh no, don't talk about soma. Fuck Somebody's talking about soma to county use about the zola thing So we'll talk about the weird the weird immortality don't get hung up on the specific details of identity on the image individual They copy a personality that can be stored indefinitely Do you understand how much that changes everything? Yeah, I don't know if you I don't know if you appreciate that I do what the Somebody said it's a copy of his mind, but it isn't zola. It's like so that's a distinction without a difference It's also not what we're that is not relevant to what we're highlighting It is like every Avenger every important person in this Tony should have a copy of them Tony stark absolutely He should still be alive right now Just copy everybody and and I remember somebody on twitter was like well, it took up like 37 football fields It's like I imagine the technology has improved a bit since 1984 Is it not worth that kind of space? Shield Hydra they could definitely I love the fact that they're like we had to give up zola to try and trick caps like give him up You didn't have a copy You just let him die The weird not a great version of immortality being trapped on hard drives more like a hellish prison. Nah No, so I don't know you seem pretty okay with it. He was pretty thrilled about it Yeah, he was gloating Oh, you guys have fun. I'm gonna go to sleep now All right worries, uh and before I leave, uh, I saw this Apparently they're making a tech on the attack to block two and I don't know if I'm okay with this Um, it could work. I'm sure jay will be excited, but I don't but I don't have any faith in people. So, um Southport when I say floppy disks, I'm not It's like floppy disk and pre floppy technology When when I say floppy disks, I'm memeing he's on computers Yeah, just technology all ass computers a jump from in 20 years. Is it 30 years of a jump since? Well, it'd be about 30 years. Yeah, five. Yeah, because it was the 80s Technology man, did that shit start to advance pretty quick with storage space especially when they're super rich god them Um Zola was gloating because he thought the missile would kill cap Is it a problem that the emperor was gloating to luke? I can't believe you just said that Oh I was just Because I find it weird that people make that argument Just it's it's as simple as this um You you want to stop the bad guy the good guy You need to keep them here for long enough that they get blown up You could tell them the truth or lie to them. Which do you pick? If you want to play it absolutely safe You could also lie and make your plan seem better than it actually is yep You know for a super smart mega scientist who's been theoretically doing nothing Except waiting for this moment to happen He did a really dumb thing the emperor like i'm not sure entirely what he's referring to but if if you're referring to when the emperor is like Oh, it will be fully operational your friends The whole point is this trying to tempt rude insupplicating It's just strong. Yeah, it's like it's it's fucking with luke's spirit And it's not like he told him that and he was like luke might just run out of here and tell his friends I hope he doesn't do that I guess my question is what difference does it make hydra if hydra makes several more zola type ais What would hydra be able to do with more than just one the one they have now I Like why wouldn't she just have All of the most important scientists or like minds within why would you not? I don't understand why you would ever feel compelled not to do it more than once Yeah, knowing how much stuff one in crit like imagine all the stuff tony stark has done Imagine if you had two tony starks working towards the same goal and they're inside a machine exactly And this machine gives them access to control like technology at their own will like turning screens on accessing data And so like you have two tony starks who are fully focused on generating technology And they've already cracked transformation of mental capacities into Hard disk format like holy shit. What of what is going to happen with this? What is this is a great return on investment? Yeah And like somebody said you could have kidnapped uh how would stark and put his mind on computers And then you know, you know, it's funny. It could have been a recording of zola Didn't have to be zola They just destroyed there's a and the funny thing is they clearly like feel bad about it like fuck we lost zola I I never understood that. I was like, why the fuck did you destroy zola? That's not the fault of winter soldier but on all the other mcu movies that came after if you're not capitalizing on it Nah, you introduced it And it was stupid idea Yo, I I mean, we wait so it was suggesting that um winter soldier like no It's still winter soldier's fault because it introduced an 80. Did you say it was 84 that this would have been introduced? I'm pretty sure it was the 80s. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that So winter soldier introducing that fucks with all of the movies that it came before But no, yep, that doesn't work. Um Uh, but what if they don't necessarily want that though zola may have been okay with this But that doesn't mean everyone else would okay, and tony was just okay with giving the glasses to peter I don't know. I don't want to like this is not It it there is no sound reason why you wouldn't want to do it more than once It worked out really well the first time you did it. Why would you not do it again and again and again and again? Many people would volunteer for that. Many people would be cool with that if they Just get many many zolas Kidnap important people have multiples of you I would want if we could put steven hawking if we if we could have put his mind on computers Like yeah I feel like he would want that too. I feel like he would want that I think he would be on that why he'd want it god damn Well, I would I mean it's funny because we're literally getting into soma if I was to be like well So there is it was like yeah, but this They didn't think that's what they were doing when they made winter soldier. They just wanted to have the spooky gem in ai And here's the awkward part. It makes ultron a little weird ultron's not much of an accomplishment at all because zola is They did zola many many Jarvis isn't much of an accomplishment Everything that like god damn all of the black pant the goop tech Whatever they have like that ain't nothing compared to this. This is way better than the stupid fucking transfer like Lash consciousness generated from like synapses and stuff into odd like software like this is What else have you unlocked? You know like in um civilization when you've unlocked like a particular skill set or things Like how does this reflect on everything else in technology that you've done this? Mm-hmm. That's the big thing right ai seems to be incredibly difficult We managed to get to the moon better than we can create a mind that is able to think and learn Um, it's I mean, it's only just blow it up. Is it dumb? I'm not even there yet I don't know. I why would you do this? I don't understand. Why would you why would you? Have an immortal german scientist on computers It sounds like such a beam, you know Yeah Oh, so when I say that That if you think the lower far from home sinks winter soldier is because I believe that it's pretty I think that it's easy to make the argument that um that winter soldier is worse because of its problems What i'm saying is whatever number we assign it is like well winter soldier will be below that like wherever it is It will sit below it It's honestly quite an interest because I I honestly understand for any goal here. It's like far from home is Getting pissed on by so many people all the time And it's like if we're fine if we're all going to agree that it sits in a particular place Like you you do understand how this reflects on others, right? And until you guys would accept Um, it's not going to be something easy to want to budge on because you just like the the goal of being consistent And uh winter soldier, this is the problem for winter soldier far from home Was already considered like dog shit by a lot of people winter soldier considered one of the best in the mcu A lot of people think it's better than civil war and to that point fringy So did civil war uh, so did civil war introduce the sycovy records and no other movie before passed legislation regulating superhero So that is a flora and civil war that's no because this is them addressing it now Like there are how would that be a flaw that they didn't have legislation before They didn't and then they did there has to be a first time for it The problem with zola is that they've created an ai in the Yeah, and also um, it's implied that tony knew about it or at least uh earlier parts of it and didn't tell the team To be clear the problem with zola is that in the 80s They created this technology and all of the mcu up until that point takes place after the 80s and it was never brought up civil war takes place in 2016 Shortly after avengers took place and it is now their response They've gotten together and this is the law that they've created Yeah I don't I don't man man, I can't like oh I just want people to leave far from home alone. I feel like far from home has merits that are just completely I'm okay with them attacking it. I just uh, I do i'm okay with yeah. Oh, it's good. So i'm coming I found um, I find it all so interesting. I always have I've never quite understood Why would soldier is so beloved and it's just like I think it's mainly the way that it like it's paced and it's shot And the character stuff the action of it and it's You just remind us genre The light sabers or Don't build snake a long time to be made and passed. Yeah, and in the un Absolutely Yeah, I get in that many countries to agree on all that stuff that can affect them and remember Geez after after avengers that even avengers acknowledged that there was debate happening about the heroes But it was age of ultron that really set it off because it was catastrophic and it was the avengers fault Yeah, that was I thought it was really cool that um, there was that there was a bit of throwaway bits in Avengers that like this There's collateral here and it's like hmm Yeah, um Proud oh the the action scene so on the subject of multiple ediths the uh, uh attempted assassination on nick fury guys So that's really oof First things first incredibly incompetent attempt to They have 30 fake cops try and kill nick fury imagine the blowback That's gonna have when that hits the news public Is he modern? Yeah, he's magic mega magic car Mega magic car, which it is that that is a mega magic car But uh, but yeah, they they do their little battering ram thing. We know integrity one percent That's real awkward if it hit zero percent when you're waiting you'd be dead like that'd be it you'd you'd be done It's lucky that it was only one percent, but anyway um The obvious thing is why it wasn't winter soldier there at the very beginning winter soldier was instead standing in the middle of a Street that nick fury happened to drive in the frame to shoot the thing underneath this car Why didn't he do that at the start and give any of the grunts his gun don't even need him to fire We we don't yeah give give How is it that they wouldn't know like they seem to they they understand the capabilities of fury's truck Right because they bring that crazy battering ram thing Like they know what they're dealing with so why the fuck did they bother with all the bullshit? Like genuinely um, you know like a jack the car like that probably would have been better just just that Then uh, then all the shit they like what is with them unloading like thousands of bullets. What was that about? I don't know. Why didn't you just get the ramps right away or like just blow up the fucking car with him in it? Or have a weapon prepared. You know all that all the technology that samuel jack fury is um Has it's all a shield hydra So riddle me this batman does the lightsaber go through his car window because if it does We already know hydra have access to the lightsabers Oh Yeah, because of course that's that's the other thing right so putting to one side the incredible coincidence of fury driving down the road That winter soldier was on when winter soldier should have been there at the very beginning He gets his lightsaber digs through his car So I guess the lightsaber is stronger than his car Which took a lot of damage to get destroyed That's actually a good point. So the lightsaber can penetrate the car actually. Yeah And yes, they could have just taken a whole somehow I don't know where the dirt's going, but the dirt needs to go somewhere He digs a little hole and climbs into it and then winter soldier doesn't follow him through They far from home. Just not have things like this I don't know what to tell you. Um, also the the fact that if you want nick fury dead You just shoot him at his house shoot him while he's walking into the which is what winter soldier does later on I mean wait wait wait if and he sits there for long enough for cap to see him so that he can chase him if you're willing to um To sell to the world the captain america is a fugitive that he's a traitor to america Surely they'd be willing to do it for fury. He's a bloody like super secret double agent in which case Why not attack him? In the hq where he's at his weakest He's coming in for a visit. He's like hey, and then just go have a bunch of soldiers come in and execute You might be like they can't do it in the building It's like they did have a cap that you're really going to try and convince me It's like, oh that they would they'd be willing to convince the world the cap is a monster, but not fury. It's like oh fuck off If you want a guy dead like that, he's dead like you have to be the most Insanely incompetent loser in the world to not be able to do that with the kind of power you have when you have them Totally off-guard By the way, when just soldiers just just real quick. Um, winter soldier's premise by the way is like he's considered Remember, Robert Redford is like Why did uh, Samuel Jackson have those mercenaries attack the ship? It's like you've already got because he's remember he's trying to achieve the the data or whatever You've got already a great story to be like. Yeah fury's a fucking bad guy. He works for the bad guys He's definitely a bad, you know, and we had to kill him. He had to stop him Yeah, they can fake whatever the fuck they want. They're hydro uh also and also like again to reiterate when nick fury goes to Uh capped house um He's there and then he gets shot and winter soldier is standing outside just looking through the window for about 20 seconds Yeah for long enough for cap to see him so that the chase can happen Um, not to mention he somehow doesn't kill fury Fury says yeah, somehow he doesn't kill him. I I don't know why you wouldn't be triple tap in that one I'm pretty sure didn't you get shot like twice or something? I think he might have been shot twice. I can't remember exactly but somehow he didn't die. But anyway, um Fury says don't trust anyone to which when brought in front of robert redford He says fury told me not to trust anyone. You have defeated the purpose of that comment by doing that Oh And he trust the first visit he saw with a gun Again, enith is really bad But please don't tell me that like all of these problems are fucking nothing I'm sure south would agree. These are problems. It's just a matter of south was mentioned Mysterio gives his real name to fury talos and fury talus doesn't run a background check on him um I honestly can't remember though. I might be a problem. Yeah, I can't remember either that might yeah That does sound like it could be a problem That's the I haven't seen far from home in a little while now You just need to rewatch it soon so that I can I guess that's what I'm saying is like I'm open to the idea of far from home sinking lower But people sound it's a one or a two. I don't buy that guys. We gave man of steel a two Didn't we? Yeah, man of steel is what a two is like nah, you tell me it's worse than batwoman or as bad as batwoman Yeah, I'd be surprised if that happened Oh, that's right. I'll rewatch far from home and then I'll get back to you all on on some of these The big thing is that winter soldier has a lot of problems though It is not some easy claim that winter soldier is well Yeah, and I think people are a lot less aware of winter soldiers issues compared to far from home's issues. Definitely. Yeah And uh, yeah, what's what winter soldier has going for is it's it's got a really big cool factor and I wouldn't deny that um And far from home's what far from home doesn't have going for it is the um The iron man jr. Atmosphere, which by the way, don't worry southpaw not including you in that I'm just saying oh and also somebody's made a good point in chat. Uh, he said he's from another dimension So finding about an earth one beck wouldn't do anything That's a good point why there could be another misterio in this world Or not another misterio, but another quentin beck But if some guy comes through with crazy magic powers talk about interdimensional monsters in the mcu I don't feel like that's a transparently obvious bullshit You know given given the world that we live in. Yeah given the state of things and the infinity stones and Yeah, so maybe they did run a background check Well, the funny thing was um when they were marketing it Like we already knew the multiverse was going to be happening So i'm pretty sure multiverse of badness was already established right as the doctor who that's our doctor strange Movie title and so it was like oh shit. Are they actually starting it up in spider-man? It's like well actually it turns out to just be a meme in spider-man But uh, it could have been real and he could have been from the other dimension And that still could have been his story or whatever that he was still a bad guy, but What i'm getting at is the they have reason to believe that uh, the multiverse could be real and it will be Earth one beck worked on barf. Yeah, but why would you Yeah, that was like a weird hologram thing that was worked on in like inside of that Like barf was kind of remember the illusion tech was was afterwards That was that was something that they integrated into the drones afterwards So if you did a background check all you would see is oh, he worked on like some weird little experiment that they showed at stanford That's all you get you wouldn't be able to deduce from that. Oh, so he's Somehow managed to integrate that tech with starks drones to create incredibly lifelike illusions Because that was something that happened later on To clarify i genuinely i'm asking so i'm not even sure Is quentin beck definitely not an alias Like i'm assuming it's not i don't know i'm not sure if i i'm pretty sure it's his name, but um, i just mean that if Genuine question not not trying to count it because i just can't remember Is it possible that he is using this name and that that's not the name that he went by when he's working for 20 stark Maybe yeah I genuinely don't know Why do the droves create water damage we have talked about this before but i don't know if i want to get into it now i'm not sure you guys are ready for some of these hot tanks that are gonna come with how the tech works So Or do you or should we leave it? I Look i don't i don't like to tell anybody where the conversation should be going It's completely up to you guys if you really want to talk about it. I don't know um So in the film we see a lot of evidence of how the drones work We know that they have bullets that they can shoot We know that they have like electricity zappers that they can shoot they can create pulses There's a lot of things they can do lasers to create heat They have a lot of things that they can do And the important part is that a lot of the illusions can just be totally fake You just need important aspects of the illusion to be real at the moments that you need them to be to convince people of certain things so for example When peter gets punched by the drones And gets wet That's people say that's a problem because it's like well, it's it's an illusion. It's like well A lot of it is But is there any reason to believe that the drones can't like shoot a bunch of water up into the air with their pulses? And just sink it with him getting hit. These are some very advanced drones very very advanced I don't see The damage is an illusion. No the damage is real like what it looks like is an illusion That's the important of course some parts of the damage are fake But you can just mask some of that with the illusions Like there's a lot that you can do you can just make Things visible and invisible. Where are they storing the water? I didn't say store water Just have drones poof shoot the water into the air another drone poof shoot it at peter People think that's absurd which I don't think it is at all Hey, how do you think we do camera trait like think of all the camera trickery that we've done in our lifetime with just movies and shit and imagine what you could do with that kind of technology and planning Mm-hmm. Yeah, these are incredibly advanced drones Oh for sure. Yeah, I imagine the calculations they can make are gonna be Intense it's not stupid You can't say that and this is not writing the film for them because you see the physical effects of it Yeah, well, I don't know what you just counter just say it sounds like you're writing the flaws for the film You're you're you're deciding it's a flaw instead of deciding it's not a flaw Mm-hmm Damage is real the monster isn't real basically that's I think it's easy to say that that's what's happening in the film Based on what we see happening in the film Um, so anyway I'm sure it's gonna come back around is I'm not saying you're not allowed. It's all good. Uh Where were we favorite scenes favorite scene that is absurd though I think people would be able to notice the noise of the water being initially blasted upward before being blasted sideways How would anybody know what that sounds like and moreover in that situation while you see a giant water monster coming at you Is your brain working so well that you're going to be able to deduce wait a minute That sounds like a drone that has illusion tech blasting water into the air How would what would that even sound like how would anybody be able to recognize what that sound is and also Clearly the drones have like some sort of way of communicating audio They have to because we hear the audio of the monsters frequently Yeah, nice and fair. Can't you just have that be I'm writing the film. This is what we see This is what we see the drones doing Yeah, this is not called writing the film for them. I mean again, you can just still use the county You're writing the flaws you're writing them up for them Oh The important thing is we don't see anything in the film that contradicts the idea that the drones aren't capable of doing this In fact, we get a scene in the film where we see how the drones work where it's like, all right, decloak the drones Let's bump up the damage um and then And then and then we see what happens when he does do that This is what I mean somebody said I'm putting more effort into it than the writers did I'm like, I don't know if I agree with that I think the writers put a decent amount of effort into explaining how the drones work Yeah, I think um because I've oscillated on this one. It's like when you when shown and given the reasoning I was like Actually, there is more to work with here than I realized Yeah um Because the thing I I've been pulled back and forth and far from home quite a bit. It's homecoming is my baby I think far from home is officially Trangy's baby at this point No, no, it's it's because I I I just mean like it's almost like a pet project in a way because it just A little bit. I guess the thing is like I wouldn't feel I kind of feel compelled to defend homecoming Like I think I would like to talk about that in a video at some point whereas with far from home It's like would you it's like, I don't know. Um because I do like that movie. I like it, but I mean in terms of um In terms of its issues like it has problems. Edith is a big problem Like I guess I guess that's the thing is to be clear. That's my new thing now Um Edith is a big problem that it hurts the movie substantially Um, however, Tony's character being assassinated That's almost less of a problem now because as we've had reaffirmative Falcon and winter soldier Tony was kind of a bad person He didn't give it. I I would push back on that right like that reminds me of the stormtrooper criticism It's like well, they're they're really inconsistent I'm kind of kidding like I agree it is assassination um I like how friggin debating water and far from home, but hates the idea of zola being a computer do you What I don't understand that There's no ambiguity about zola zola is zola I yeah, I got nothing I got nothing for that um So this is a set of two and it's a business kind of on topic it says so not nick fury's dumb down then and fury sent talus in his place I'm assuming they're trying to say like it's it's it would be Is it that it would be stupid of of fury to have sent talus in his place? Is that the argument I don't know if it's stupid if fury's got other big things to deal with in space Yeah, and and he can contact fury, right? That's the idea. Yeah. Well, he gives him a phone call at the end of the movie Yeah, I could I could totally see you know scrolls copy at least just a portion of your personality and history, right? So I mean who would be necessarily better And the funny thing is talus is incompetence In terms of his role in captain marvel from our perspective That's not something the fury is aware of because of the way they wrote him Like they they don't the characters don't realize how stupid talus is we do though And a hell of a lot more so than the the movies are aware of if you know what I mean Like I think rags and I agreed that um talus is probably the one of the stupidest antagonists in all of the mcu potentially Yes, he pretty much almost kills his entire civilization and family through incompetence Probably yeah, I think you could make a very compelling argument as to But like the films the dumbest the films don't seem to address that at all. They don't seem to even be aware Yeah, they don't talk. Yeah, that's the the film's writing is horrible and they just don't even recognize that It's like the aquaman thing and the genocide of the crab people. We just don't talk We just don't talk about it like no one seems to Like no one just seems to care or talk about or mention it Yeah, so the reason I bring that up is like if someone said, you know, let's let's say, uh Like willem de foe makes a decision relating to like the good heartness of people and he's like, you know aquaman He has a good heart and someone said that's Like a contradiction considering we saw him annihilate a whole bunch of innocent people I'll be like, yeah, but willem de foe's character's not aware of that We are because we're paying attention, but You know, it's just how bad the writing is Mm-hmm And yeah, that would be more like what i'm trying to say is that that's on captain marvel for inventing all of that and Bullshit with talos and how nobody seems to be aware of any of it In a significant way, I guess I guess we'll have to see when that secret invasion show comes out like who talos actually is because he's like the main character in that show That show I feel is going to be catastrophic just because it's gonna be like everything coming out of the mc's catastrophic at this point It's all erupting You look to the future. It's like all the eternals. We've been here all along like why didn't show up ever What were you doing? When when the when like the taro were invading earth did none of you want to help out you're gonna have to explain that movie Um The next one says uh, but the poverty free the poverty peter needs it for his character to function or something It makes no sense for him to be in poverty Name one trait that someone in poverty can have that someone who is not in poverty cannot have poverty Gotcha It's funny because like I obviously agree with you, but it just uh, it reminds me of how falcon and the winter soldier is as Very explicitly laid out for us. Why it's a problem if peter is in poverty Just like yeah, it's like that. We'll just get that again guys. We're all gonna be like, how is this happening? Um, so we know that fury is in space and replaced, but when did that start? Well, I I I don't know that we know Um and ask for I I mean, I I agree like I hope that we will get an answer for it But even if we don't I don't know that that's necessarily gonna be a problem for far from home and I almost what well, I I don't know if this is an actual argument This is more of just a feeling but it almost feels a little this is what I mean I kind of feel bad for John Watts in terms of far from home because he got saddled with a lot of things that suck Yeah snap He had to try and handle that and the way that he handled it was by ignoring it for the most part um But that was something that was probably doing it on him. Yeah, there were pieces of will building But the reason I would call it I agree guys. He they could have done better with the snap um and acknowledging it um They they just try and ignore it as best they can which is Dumb it needs to be addressed, but the problem is it's like Well in addressing the snap can we even do our spider-man story? The answer is probably no. They should they should have just been a movie called the snap Where it was like just dealing with it But um, they don't want to do that It's it's not an excuse. It's more just like an explanation um Do you wish the mcu could restart from infinity war and do it way better? No captain marlin. No time travel nangame. No nerfing on major cat. Hell. Yeah, sure Definitely, um, maybe you could have it so that You know at the beginning of the like the iron man equivalent after infinity war You start with dr. Strange and he's looking through those futures Then we like go into his eye and we go back in time to a different one and we start again But obviously with just different things happening. I don't know. Fuck it. Whatever Yeah Anything to get me out of this mcu nightmare that we're currently in You just look at what's coming up. It's like I'm so worried about black widow because As I've written in my endgame script. She's like the best character in that movie. She's come out mostly unscathed And I wonder now because I'm pretty sure this whole movie's meant to be about oh, I have another family It's like the family is such an important part of like your arc the mcu The avengers Yeah and then Shang-Chi went apparently There are crazy china like lion thing monsters I'm almost certain that that movie is gonna feel like the least connected to the mcu out of everything so far I think it might be eternal. That might be the one that feels the most disconnected, but especially since they were apparently Yeah, they can have a contest Yeah, I think I agree. I think shang-chi's gonna just try and be its own Like yeah, it's gonna be a dude with his own story in his own place and you know Maybe then we cool action scenes. Oh man, right at the end You'll you'll have defeated the mandarin and then He'll be like this. I don't know silence whoever and he's sitting alone in this house and then he hears the voice of nick fury and he's like You know You have talents And you well I wonder it seems like uh, it seems like they're trying to set up multiple things. It seems like they have It almost like they've got three things they're building right now. They've got their grounded stuff Which was started by grounded falcon of witsa soldier. That's like The the surf you know the ground level stuff and then they've got the magical side Which one division started off and they'll be docked strange and like and blade and and uh moon night and stuff And then they've got their cosmic stuff, which is captain marvel. So yeah Oh, I'm so excited I'm so excited for all we could ruin every aspect of the universe. Right every aspect. Yeah, every time you think something's safe The ruin it Yeah, it's it's gonna It's gonna be I'm just It'll be great. Yeah, and if anybody was like wow, you're so pessimistic. We're like look at wander vision How could we just soldier? And look what's coming up black widow shang chi turtles Doctor strange two is probably not I don't see that film Make a lot of sense I don't see it happening. The first one didn't make any sense. No, I didn't even though I like it. That's kind of I like it too. Yeah, I like it. It's such a clear example of I like it. But god damn I just want doctor strange getting up to I want him to scold wander like you Naughty witch Yeah, yeah, it's like what the fuck That's probably not what's gonna happen. It's funny with you saying like oh morto is gonna influence or whatever It's like what we understand about morto. She's like prime target to sap power. Yeah, she's the worst dude And being annoyed with doctor strange of all people the one that saved you. I hate that movie sometimes But friggy doctor strange two will be directed by sam rayby. He makes great superhero movies Oh now now See just like rags bringing up resident evil four Just have to bring it up. I feel like um makes you a bad person I feel like that's probably what that's all i'm hopeful for is that i'll like it Because I like the spider-man movies that sam rayby made. I enjoy them Um, so I hope that I can at least enjoy doctor strange two Even if uh, even if it doesn't make much sense And then again again, this would be a situation where it's like i'm not even sure how much I could blame the director given all that has been set up Sam rayby is bay. I'm fine with that, you know Sam rayby is gay Um, oh hi rags Hi Washed underwater and enjoyed it quite a bit did feel like the scene with the two dragging the other dude across the seafloor Dragged on too long, but just a subjectism I'm fair enough fair enough. Yeah I think that was more of a uh, like it was a it was a it was a bit of a lull between two of the larger action scenes I think is the idea with that With a they meet katulu katalu katalu they give him a little wave a katalu But they created immortality without other powers. Oh excellent reference. Oh worthless That is an excellent reference bravo Uh I never believed zola is sapient slash mind copy of real zola all that's proven is that it was a good ai That claims to be zola basically a sapient as an mpc Oh He's uh, he's he's basically one to one. It's like a full claim Um, and I don't know why they would be so upset if he was just a regular The good old fashioned advanced ai rather than Literally the copy of the most important scientist to all of their work, you know But uh, I appreciate the like the sort of The rationale because it's so dumb right like to have it so that you can Consciousness of people into the machines like you can't just throw that into the universe It fucks with everything Even though as far as i'm aware that's going to be the return of tony stock is going to be in like an ai form And i'm gonna be great you guys excited Hooray, it's gonna be great It's gonna be wonderful Why bring you know streamy how you doing rags I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing pretty good um As for freeing you know streamy you know, you know here you know, i'm sort of you muted. I'm sorry Rags is an oven still an oven when it's turned off I don't know. That's a good question. Probably let's fill us off. Go right there What do you think would happen if we put fringies goo in an oven? I get I guess I get more runny. No, what no, uh, hey the last stupid show was like, hey, why freeing you know streamy Oh, um, what right now? Yeah, why not? Why not? I was planning on it today actually Sorry super chat. Sorry to disappoint your entire life. He says no I'm not on for it today. No, i'm here. But yeah, i wanted to watch you own noobs on halo Congratulations fringy on becoming the fourth host of efab wolf will always be a host even if he's not here Yeah, thanks I mean, I would you know, I think it would make sense the Wolf is still technically like because all the efabs are still there with the money, you know Yeah, the the current set is is what you're looking at right there the green the orange and the The reddish black. I've still not decided which is the dominant color there Look, it's black, right? I think so. I kind of want to say like a what is the name of a color that's a dark red maroon burgundy maroon maroon Yeah, yeah maroon burg and ron burgundy attorney Um Rags in sort of manner dark lord isn't the guy's name. It's his title. His real name is title. Yes He call he tells people to fucking call him dark lord I have no idea what is the context for this? I read that out without even knowing what what is this come up before if I fucking blanked out on this Is it that you pointed out that dark lord is like a dumb name and the it's super cringe All right dark lord is kind of cringe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree Uh, right you said color doesn't exist and is perceived by our brains But if objects have certain properties that cause them to reflect specific waves wave lengths of light Can't we therefore say that those objects are objectively that color because it's a property of the object itself and not our brain It's not a property of the object itself Don't confuse the color that we perceive with an actual property inside the object the property of the object Influences what the color actually is and it's not innate to the object because the color literally changes as the light level increases or decreases I mean a clear example of that is stuff shifts red the further it moves away redshift of like distant galaxies the color isn't Like if it wasn't the color shouldn't change if it's like an object. Yeah, I don't And people say I'm very confused by that statement like the colors aren't the colors are based on our interpretation of them like human eyes But the colors don't actually exist I have never quite grasped the whole color thing. I just sort of I just listen like Well, I mean it's it's just the whole idea of like the the colors are based on the wavelengths and it's the visible light spectrum So like, you know, the the dark our brains interpret them Yeah, but but the visible light that's just human eyes That's our eyes interpreting them. There is no color like in the universe. Not really Neat Uh, what makes rags an expert on the gay when he only does the weenie love half the time It's like frongle being an expert on green when he's really blue You think chef Ramsay is all he lives in a kitchen and he's only cooking all the time and he never stops And he wishes he could and he cries all the time constantly His family misses him Also, what's this about for you being blue with the phone Yeah, I don't get that It's sacrilegious right now Uh, is Quentin Beck even Mysterio's real name? I like I said, I'd have to rewatch it I don't know if that's a possibility that he's using in uh an alias like honestly, I can't remember Uh thoughts on how they will do X-Men considering they were based on Malcolm X and MLK And now they have some weird views on who was in the right. Um I would be very worried About every they make it fucking Cruella or a potential good guy or whatever like a sympathetic person Who knows look at Collie also a magician. So that's fun I am a wizard or a witch or a sorcerer Or a warlock Or a mage all bets are off when they when they just announce X-Men be very concerned for all of your favorite characters Be very concerned Where are we? Eisenberg It's okay, Ethan. It's just a yeast infection. It's definitely not multi bio weapon zombie thing. Oh You You think Ethan did the sex with Miranda? I mean, maybe You know probably I'm sure she you know, I don't know. Maybe Ethan is just that miserable of an asshole that Miranda was like, no I'm not that's not my thing He's a bit of a you know to convince him, you know I'm on to you long man. You're stuck at a 12 hour cap. So you're making guest roster longer. You can't make everything long Just watch me I feel like they should have gone harder on the fungus cult that kept this village backwards normal Uh, we only get to see it after everything hit the fan. I find things scary when something is off I again, I think we talked about briefly. I thought that that was something they might have done when you team up with them, but It was gonna be like you get to know these people and you you're gonna feel for them You want them to get out of here, but at the same time it's like, oh, they're all really fucking weird though because they worship Miranda And you know like yeah, but they still want to survive Yeah, they don't mind like they don't mind you that much really because you helped them out But there's it's that weird part of them And you know as you as you survive into and whatnot is like everyone's so while you get some information It's like so what what is who is Miranda? What is this play? And you know, you The one thing I missed from that game significantly was just people telling me stuff, man Just talking to people about anything like all the questions Ethan even shut the fuck up all the time too She's like, no, I'm not gonna ask anything You know, you can't fucking keep your mouth shut when you're commenting on whether or not things are light or there's dead people or What the hell You know, it's his choice you talk about what he wants Hey guys, I wanted to point out that the baby was totally jacked from PT. It's quite literally the sink fetus with cricket legs This game is lazy as fuck I got big PT vibes in that house Yeah PT was was uh Changed a whole bunch of things and then it would have been really cool to have seen that game's full potential, but What can you do? How typical Mola can you just for one stop acting like this game is a piece of meat to be judged your critiques of Paul Oh man, remember, I love judging. I love judging meat myself Imagine someone carved a piece of meat into like a really beautiful sculpture And then high top was judging it as a piece of meat and they were like stop Judging it like it's a piece of meat. That's that's a family guy gag right there Nailed it Um, can we the sphere hunter in here? Can we the sphere hunter? I don't know what that means Me neither can we the sphere hunter in here? Yeah, I don't know Chat you got any ideas on that one Do you ever play far cry five ranks? I did I liked it quite a bit indigo just said I see a lot of similarities Four regions four leaders a cult honestly far cry five probably did it better I feel like there's not going to be much of a problem I think far cry five absolutely did it better and far cry five have some has some big storytelling issues But at least it was fun as fuck to play I have fun. I legit lots of fun playing far cry five. It was just fun to play Apparently the sphere hunter is a youtuber So yeah, there we go. I can guess there's anything you can come on. Maybe Perhaps in the future It's dark. Ethan Winters 2021. Yep. It's dark It's a dead body. Wait, there's more Yeah It's funny, um There's a lot of that in our coverage of model combat with the main character all of his generic dialogue Same kind of problem or at least similar I fought a dragon once by taking off all my armor and I carried only a bow and a thousand arrows Then my bow broke and did half damage. I still won Well, you say broken bow You say your bow broken half, but really that's just nun chunks, isn't it? Yeah, and you can throw them and go collect them and throw them again Or what you did hyal raga little tints and soundtrack. Yeah, but in far cry five had a great soundtrack and it was gorgeous That game was beautiful Reminds me of star wars shadows of the empire where a woman nearly insta kills any boss saving hours But only get it once per game want ammo start again A weapon near insta kills any boss saving hours, but you only get it once per game like That's like the master ball in pokemon, you know whoa Instantly catches a pokeman But you only get one Unless you copy them with the little exploit Then you get infinite You have infinite you have all the master balls you could possibly fit in your mouth backpack. Oh my god What a fringy and slip Fringely and slip What's your guy opinion on the ink ribbon system The ink ribbon system So i'm assuming they're referring to how it saves would be limited in older re games by having you have to the way You save is you have to put an ink ribbon into the Into the typewriter and there was a limited amount of ink ribbons in the story Uh for harder difficulties that might be an idea I know dead space two's hard core mode was you only got three saves per In that playthrough and when you died you reverted to where your last save point was So that was that was kind of tense. It kind of demanded that you you know the game And you think about where your saves would be In a lot of risk reward and playing longer and longer and longer But then you get a later save, but you know it's harder to get there and not a bad idea for something That's called a hardcore mode Definitely feels like um a specialized difficulty type of thing rather than a normal mode However If someone made a game and they were like knowing I want it to be played this way and the people who find this to be too Hardcore they don't have to play it at all. I'd be like well Yeah, it's its own sort of thing. Yeah, which would be interesting It would be like this is the final test for you. You've played the normal mode. You played it on hard You played it on harder But this is hardcore and it has these special rules and special things about it Um, I've had segs listening to efap a lot because I like background noise Just thought you should know efap facilitates some lives or love lives But yeah, apparently yeah, people have been having sex while listening to efap. It feels weird man, but you know It feels kind of good too, you know thumbs up Good luck out there everyone How many fellows? Oh, hello many fellows. Hello Any plans to get Procrastatara or EMP lemon on at some point I am on board with either um I think it'd be interesting to see what episodes we can maybe get them on with um, not a hugely familiar with either I think is emblem and the one that made the um The simpsons video that I think is really really good. I wouldn't chat probably no, uh, it might be you might have mentioned that to me before is uh Like the best video I've seen summarizing what killed simpsons. It was really good Uh, where could you possibly climbed on tractors rags on a farm? Literally, yes Actually, yes, my um, my father was is a big john deere enthusiast So I have seen many tractors and been around many tractors You went on their podcast. Oh, no, I know we we uh The monkey podcast as well, right? I can't remember that one was cold. I think they um I think they started a new one now trash rats is the new one. Um, I just meant that I haven't seen a lot of their uh videos in general Um Do you guys think the last of us combat slash gameplay would work in an re game? In a way it I mean it could it I mean it certainly it obviously it could yeah, um, it certainly could work and I like the idea of stealth mechanics in a zombie game Because that would be it just seems like a good idea um Do you want it stealth is always an option if you run out of resources or if you don't want to expend those resources Um, you have the ability to stealth around and different segments will be harder than others and Some enemies will very clearly by their positioning and you know on the map be More optional than others if you know in a manner of speaking But uh, yeah, definitely I'm totally fine on allowing people to have tons of real Clearly enough resources as long as the combat is engaging and interesting And you're encouraged to experiment and you have a lot of tools at your disposal Uh, I was certainly yeah There's nothing mechanically wrong. Well, at least not completely mechanically wrong with re4 Um, uh not re4 with last of us two. It's more the ai Oh, well it mechanically, it's just like super thin, but uh, it I think I had more respect for the mechanics in that than re8 for whatever that might mean I don't even know what that means to me. I didn't have to replay them both to know what I even think about that Um, maybe I just had lower expectations because it was last of us and I wasn't even really impressed with the first scapes mechanics anyway Well, the yeah, I guess because the mechanics aren't great. They're not great in the last of us Um, yeah, they yeah, they're they're fine Yeah And also when you when you have a game like that In a resident evil style where you have either ganados or zombies Which just walk towards you essentially That you don't have to be super smart and if they're dumb, it's fine. They're ganados or they're Zombies you don't expect zombies to behave intelligently So when they do dumb things It's not like your brain is going, but that's a person. Why would a person be that Why would they be that dumb? You know, so you get a big amount of leeway if you have zombies, which is probably why a lot of games have them But the last of us rise to have human enemies that are intelligent They're they're intelligent That's it it's kind of impressive how bad the ai is in uh in those games Both of them you Um, where did you learn out of penguin on a farm? Well, poor poor zod Being humiliated indefinitely on this show Hey more ever played mortal shell. It's a fun albeit a bit tizmy dark souls like games seven out of ten I recommend um, no nor have I heard of it Haven't heard of an eye there Um And yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you this seven and a half hours attempt at catching up with super chats It's now left me super super duper duper tired. So There's a little bit I think we're probably gonna end it there and and Yeah, it's funny because she's got more stuff to get recording with the as much as in days from now or day from now I can't even remember We're caught up with this streams ones. We're not caught up with the resident evil ones I'll maybe try and add some on to the end of the of the meme fap if everybody's got enough time first of all to do that I do not know Sorry, we didn't get through all of it, but we will be doing more of these to to get chunking through Um And yes, I was uh I was this is this stuff on the way again being nice and vague so that you guys can be surprised but Definitely definitely got the things happening this this week Possibly next week as well. Who knows but the next soup EFAP will probably be um on saturday and it's like I said, it'll be us trying to catch up with uh Sort of the super chats. I think it'll make the most sense um So that's was there anything else you guys wanted to mention before we uh, we jump away, you know Yo, go ahead. Go ahead Uh, I just saw Angry dro re-tweet that AT&T is selling water brothers and somebody's saying oh now disney's chance to make a proper superhero film You know what? I'm gonna say you should it's very Disconcerting the people are just so happy with the idea of disney completely consolidating the media landscape. Yeah You should not be thrilled at the prospect of that. That's Dude, if they got water brothers, that's like 65 70 of all like Everything shows are owned by disney. That's really I don't know why this would be This would be bad. Even if they were making great stuff Maybe like yeah, even if they were and they're not they're not Look at what disney's coming out with going forward It's like a little mermaid remake fucking hunchback remake Cruella Oh, yeah, so it's great content coming from the house of mouse at the moment And on that note Um, thank you all for watching. We'll catch you around in the future flumps Yeah See you for whatever pops up next. Who knows what it'll be. Bye Yeah, I'll see y'all later. What? Oh, I thought you were saying no, no, no, no, no