 Okay, and you're very welcome along to a special Talking History podcast with the one and only historian, Dr. Joe Kelly. We've all been devastated by the recent events in Kreisler, a terrible tragedy that killed 10 people and injured many more. And we send our love and support as people continue to process the events and try to move forward with their lives as best they can. The people of Kreisler and its surrounds have come together and rally to support each other through these difficult times. And I suppose that sense of community and strength is built on the areas past. With that in mind, we're going to delve into the history of Kreisler. And as I say, I'm delighted to welcome on to the podcast, Dr. Joe Kelly. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you very much, Greg. And just to concur with what you said, we know we have this had this recent tragedy that has cast a dark shadow for Kreisler and the surrounding communities. And in a way, it's sad that it's taken this tragedy for us maybe to realize what has been there in Kreisler for generations. There's a very rich spirit in history and tradition in Kreisler for generations. And it's a legacy based on family and on faith. And I believe that that legacy is what's going to rebuild Kreisler in these dark times. And when this event that has happened is assigned to history, Kreisler will still remain. And I believe that is that what is there now will help them rebuild that tradition of family or faith of community. And that we're very, very proud of the people of Kreisler and the steps that they're taking at the moment and trying to recover. Indeed. Join with you in that. Kreisler, the name in previous conversations we've had, Joe, we've talked about the importance of names of places. Tell us about Kreisler as a name. Well, Kreisler, in Irish, there are seven deadly sins. And one of them would be Kreis. Kreis is gluttony. But in the sense of Kreisler as lake. So kind of the greedy lake, a lake that would seem to be bottomless that you could keep filling it and it would never be filled. So a very, very deep lake. So that's what the meaning of the word Kreisler means. Some might translate to Kreis as a trope because the food would go down your throat, Kreisler, trope lake. But traditionally it would be known as the greedy lake or the endless bottomless lake. They're just on the way into Kreisler. So that would be the Kreisler. And then it's in the parish of Clon de Horky, Clun, meaning meadow. Clun mani, Clun mani, the monk's meadow, Clun de Horky would believe to be the meadow of a saint called Cork, C-O-R-C. So the meadow of the saint Cork. And it extends from Don Fanehi to Kreisler. That is the St Michael's parish area. And that's what we would know. We'd be the neighbouring parish in Clonhanilly and then Kilmer Crennan would be on the other side. So that's the meaning of Kreisler and then the parish name as well. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about some of the very well-known and hugely successful and influential people that either I suppose came from Kreisler or spent time there, Joe. Well, you could put it nearly into two categories. Firstly, there's the people from Kreisler themselves and then people that would have frequented or visited Kreisler and the surrounding areas. Particularly with the area of Marble Hill and you'd lost House there. We'll talk later about him. And then you had the Mullins House there in Port Nebla. And you had the train station also in Kreisler from 1903 on. So people would have been able to come in and they would have travelled through Kreisler and stayed within the community. So there's a terrible long list of famous people. Come here. Let's start then with Brydie Gallagher because Brydie Gallagher is Kreisler's Daniel O'Donnell. If Daniel O'Donnell is Donnie Goll's Daniel O'Donnell. Yeah, well, yeah, she was the, you could say the first female pop star, Irish pop star. She really took off about 1950s, late 50s, 56, 57. The girl from Donnie Golley she was known by, you know, and she'd done a lot of different recordings of different songs. Mothers Loves, A Blessing, The Boys from County Armagh. I mean, she filled audiences to capacity. I think it was the London Palladium and the Albert Hall. I think there were 7,500 in attendance. I don't know if that's been beaten, but it was at the time it was the biggest capacity crowd ever in that hall. So she obviously had something of a natural talent of singing and her personality. In 2000, the people of Kreisler honoured her. There's a lovely plaque as you went to Kreisler commemorating her memory. She died in 2012 and I know that Donnie Golley County Council also had a story or a connection with her and had a civic reception for her as well. So that's the girl from Donnie Golley and the famous song The Homes of Donnie Golley. She does a lovely version of that. That'll be Brydie, yeah. And still, ever popular on Spotify, I ran just to see what kind of traction. She still has got Rest Her Soul. She's gone some time now. But still, you know, tens of thousands of people listening to her work on this new Spotify platform. And you could argue really, if you wanted to go right back to the very beginnings of how we could end up with Spotify, you have to go back to the very first computers. And Kay McNulty worked on the first computer. Kay said, Lady, that we've spoken about on this segment on the 9th till noon show before, Joe. Yeah, Kay was a very, very interesting woman. And you know, it's funny how history plays with events. Her father would have been in jail during the war of independence. He was seen as being involved in the IRA and a threat so he was jailed. And when he was released then in 1924, they headed to Philadelphia. And she then, because she went to Philadelphia, she would have got an education that many of the time wouldn't have had. And she ended up graduating in college. And then she goes to work on this, what they call ENIAC, electronic, numerical integrator and computer. Really was the first type of computer in the world. And the ladies hadn't been given any recognition for that. They had been kind of ignored that they were working on this here. They were trying to figure out the trajectories of missiles and where they would land and how they could calculate this in a war situation. And she was drafted into the Aberdeen military base in Maryland along with four other ladies to work on this computer. So she then later married the man that made the computer, John Mulcahy. And she ended up leaving that job and helping him prepare the software for that computer. So again, she was to the fore, obviously a very intelligent, very bright woman. And in Netter Kenny, they have an IT there. Now the Atlantic University, Technical University, they have a scholarship in her memory. And in fact, even nationally, DCU have a building name after her, the K. McNulty Building. So again, a woman from Chrysler and a very, very famous woman that achieved a lot in science. And another famous woman from Chrysler was a Mary Call. Maybe people don't know much about her, but she immigrated to Australia during the assisted migration program in the 1850s, 60s, actually organized by a priest from Don Talley. They're increased. The Father McFadden, who was the Paris priest, have got a horclohanelie at the time. And rather than giving money because of charitable needs to people that were poor, they paid for them to go to Australian and assisted migration program. And she ended up being on one of these boats. She came from Derry Fad and she ended up marrying this man by the name of Thomas Kern, who was a very wealthy man. And he later became an MP and his son was Thomas Kern as well. And he became an MP for Ireland and he became an MP in Donegal, serving five years here in Donegal. So there's a connection of an immigrant again with Chrysler. So we've mentioned the arts, obviously, the politics, you know, the science element of it. And also within the arts, poet and writer Neil MacGillivregia. Tell us a little bit about him. Yeah, well, obviously, I would have a great love for the story of Neil MacGillivregia. And I've read some of his, most of his writings. He was a, by all accounts, a lovely man who was really passionate about the culture, the language and heritage of our country. And, you know, that's still to be found in Chrysler. And we still have a guilt that they're in glass. I'm very proud to have that connection always with the language of Neil MacGillivregia. He was made famous probably because of his refusal to put his name on English on the cart. He wrote it in the Irish script, the Irish alphabet, Neil MacGillivregia. And he was stopped by the RIC. It was like a shatty number or a plate number of the time. And he had written in Irish and he was taken to court. And the case actually went to Dublin, to the High Court. And Patrick Pierce was his representative in that court case. But he was still found guilty for not having it in legible English writing on it. And he was wanting to go to jail, but somebody paid the fine for him. And he wasn't too happy about that. But that would be Neil MacGillivregia. And he wrote a lot of poems and stories. But one of my favourites, McCrow buggy boncroquete. And I just maybe read it now. It's a lovely, beautiful rhythm to it. It's on the edge of the near and feeling of Goli MacGaillivre. And mass of glad to your car, and that of a yes-your-file. Had Dorun your car in Raymond, I followed him. Stormy nabui, mochoni bug henage your car. Mochro buggy boncroquete. And I think at this moment in Creece that how true that is. It's many fine plates in Ireland according to the poets and the scholars. But there's nowhere as nice as a boncroquete. Which is a town land in Creece. There's nowhere in the world as nice as it. as nice as it, and I would give all, if you offered me all the money of the King of England and all his gold and his big room of gold, I wouldn't swap it to be living at Bun Crockerty. Beautiful poem, beautiful, there's a lovely song there, and you know, it is tell true, if you look up at Christen, the muckyshop behind it, it's absolutely beautiful, the landscape. Yeah, it truly is. And just before we move on then, I mean, are we into tenuous link territory here now, because we're not talking about American billionaire Doris Duke. We're talking about her butler. What's the connection there? Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, Doris Duke was a, she was an American tobacco heiress, and she was very kind of a philanthropy and very, very good woman, but she'd been left a lot of money. I think it was 1.2 billion. And she had a butler by the name of Bernard Lafferty, who came from Chrysler in 1987. And then when she died, she died in 1993. She left about 5 million to himself to Bernard and also a sum of half a million dollars a year for the rest of his life. But unfortunately, the Bernard didn't live terribly long. He died when he was 51 in 1996. So there was a story there and a connection there. And there's often been intrigue as to what happened, but he seemed to, biographies that are written about Doris Duke, that this Bernard seemed to have had a great care for, for him. He was a butler but cared very much for Doris and his life was resolved around her or revolved around her, sorry. And it seems that was reciprocated then, if not during her life, certainly after. Yeah, there were questions over the will and all that kind of stuff, but she was very good to him. And I think she knew the man for what he was, in the sense that he was very good to her in caring for her. Unfortunately, his life was cut short. But yeah, that was, he was well known at the time and it was probably a lot of world media how the billionaire left money to a man from Chrysler. Yeah. There you go. We've talked about the Viaduct train disaster in 1925, again previously during our history chats on the nine till noon show. What is the the story and connection there? Yeah, well, again, unfortunately, there's been a sad moment in previous times in Chrysler as well. And that was a Bridgets day or the eve of Bridgets that had been the 31st of January, 1925. And the train track was open in 1903 and stayed open to the 1946 around that time. But in 1925 on Bridgets, the 31st of January, the train was coming across the Viaduct, the own carol Viaduct and the pillars are still there to be seen. And actually, I think two years ago, there was a monument erected to this memory of the Viaduct disaster. But as the train was leaving the Viaduct, it was about seven o'clock in the evening when the train had left Letter Kenney and it was leaving across the Viaduct almost over it from the raw, the one picked up and it lifted the second carriage. There were bread carriages and passenger carriages on it. I think 13 passenger carriages were on it. And unfortunately, the roof was blown off and four of the passengers fell out of the carriage down off the Viaduct onto the ground and were killed. A husband and wife, Philip and Sarah Boyle from Ironmore, and there was a new mulligan for carol connection, family still there and Anil Dugan there from Chrysler. So unfortunately, they were they were they were tragically killed in that event in 1925. So as you're driving then in, say, past Turmin and you're driving in and there's some very obvious sort of what looks like the supports of bridges there alongside of the road, you almost drive through or under them. Is it in that area or that presumably is the same track? Yeah, almost there. That's the track almost at the end of that Viaduct. And if you go up to the top of the hill there, just as you're heading into Chrysler and turn to your left, there's a little monument there to commemorate the people that died. Yeah, that's you've got the location. Yeah, and that would have been obviously, you know, a great loss for the community at that time. But presumably, you know, a rail crash is going to get an awful lot of interest nationally. Ah, yeah, it would have been and again, because of the loss that was happening there as well. And one needs to remember that the infrastructure necessarily of roads weren't wasn't as good as it is today. So access was important via the train. The road actually that we use now going into Chrysler from Nett or Kenny going into Chirlin in that direction wasn't built in the 1837. Right. So the whole road actually went up over Los Soft and round into Lacka Bridge, into Glen, into Lacka Bridge, and then up on through Dontali and up into Chrysler. And that was built by a William Ray from ours. He was the landlord in Ards. And he built the that road. And what he used to do is have cattle waiting at Kilmer Crennan, because the horses wouldn't be able to go over up Los Soft with a heavy load. So he'd have bullocks or cattle waiting slower pace, and they would traverse the mountain and come down. And he would see them on the spy glass or the he probably had some kind of telescope. And he could see them from Ards and he would know take them four hours from the point he would see them until they would arrive at Ards. My elder people have food ready in four hours. And he would know how many people were coming. So how far then on the letter Kenny side of the N 56 would be that relatively new, certainly not as far back as what would be the turn off to the back of Ergal Road now, it'd be much further north. You know, just to the top of Kilmer Crennan, as you get to the top of it, and you're turning out, you'd have turned right at that point, you wouldn't have gone that far. You wouldn't have gone as far as a Lagoon or anywhere like that. No, you wouldn't have gone that far. Okay, fascinating stuff. Right. I mean, St. Michael's in Christa has always had huge significance in history as well, but never more so now. And I don't know how it will be, Joe, maybe you can help with this, how it will be reflected on in in history, because it's been the scene of so much devastation with so many funerals, but then the scene of so much unity. And then something we haven't seen for some time, how maybe the spiritual element of life came to to people's rescue in some cases, not for everyone's. It's really almost like an epicenter of something. I can't quite put my words on it. Absolutely. And I have to say myself in my own personal capacity, I've had the privilege of being there on numerous nights with the people of Christa when they were praying the rose we led by Father Jack John do and others. And, you know, this is cross community, there are other traditions there as well, religious traditions within Christa, a great healthy respect and understanding between the faiths. And that's terribly, terribly important to say. But look, the church itself, it's a beautiful church. It's a very unusual church. It was built in 19, opened in 1971. And it's one of the famous churches of Lea McCormick. He designed, I think, seven churches in Donegal. I don't suppose Kilimard was one of his, was it because it's also, I don't know, I'm not putting you on the spot there, but there are a couple of architecturally interesting churches around the county. Yeah, well, Milford and Moorlough, Desert Higney, Burnt, these were some of the places he built, Glentis, and he built the, you know, a more Presbyterian church in 1977. And it was the Chrysler one that he built in 1971. So there's seven churches that were designed by him, or he was the architect for them. So to answer your question, I'm not 100%. I wonder what the reaction would have been to something that's not incredibly traditional, I suppose, in an architectural context. Yeah, you see Vatican II, it happened in the 60s, which tried to get the church to modernize, and most churches were crucifix formed. That was the shape, the two aisles, like the shape of the cross and then the island of the center. As for the modern architecture, post Vatican II, tried to be more in keeping with the people and with what was maybe relevant historically to the place. So for example, the St. Michael's Church is shaped, and if you stand back and look at it, it's shaped like muckish, and it has that curve and that roundness. Roundness, the beautiful one in Burnt is like a boat and column killer, that idea of the boat, and it's very, very well designed. And so the old church, the old Doe Chapel, as it was known, was the oldest chapel in the Dyses in its time, in 1752. And again, I mentioned William Ray of Arch, who was a landlord there, and this is before Catholic emancipation. He granted the land for the chapel and Doe to be built, and it was renovated in the 1830s, and it was extended and so on and so forth. But then on the morning of August 15, 1971, the last mass was said there in what was then Doe Chapel. And where, as St. Michael sort of consumed Doe, was Doe Chapel knocked down, or what's the story? Subsequently, then it was, yeah. And there's still some of it left. And the bell tower that was built there in 1918 by the coils, that's still there in intact. And the graveyard is there, people still, you know, use the graveyard. But Doe itself has a great history, the Doe Chapel. For example, you had Father McFadden in Ghidor, I am the law in Ghidor, Michael David and himself, and the local parish priest, Father Kelly. They came there in January 1888, and the RIC, there was a massive crowd there, there was a plan of campaign where they were trying to take on the landlords and get their rent slower. And Father McFadden took to the stage in front of a large, large crowd, I don't know, there was thousands of people, but the RIC were noting what he was saying. And he said, I am the law in Ghidor. What a thing for someone to say, but he was. I like it, I like it. There's a title of a book in that. And he was subsequently jailed for that statement, because that was seen as inciting people to riot, both himself and Father Stevens and both of them were later jailed for that. So, and then beside that, there's a place called Medell Hill. It's part of the arts trail walk. It's a canonical kind of little hill. And Father Theobald Matthew, he was the temperance priest. He was a Capuchin and he went round the country trying to get men and women to take the pledge because, you know, a drink was driving people to madness at that time and Pochine. And so we had a monster meeting there, a massive, massive meeting there in, it's called Medell Hill, in there just beside Doe. And it was not just for Catholics, it was Protestants. All traditions were there. And they took the pledge, many of the men at the time, took the pledge that they would abstain from alcohol. So that's Medell Hill. So that kind of... I wonder how far a geographical area he might have drew people to that meeting from. Oh, that's a very good question. Well, from what I understand, what I've read from it, it's, he would have taken him from Duhere, which was quite a distance, right over to Lettercanny. So that whole area, Medell Hill and the whole idea of temperance, and, and again, having balance in your life. And that's what he was looking for. And supposedly there's a story that he cured some guards. He was in crutches and couldn't walk. And she'd cross over from the other side of the road to get to where he was. And he said, that was a struggle for you. And she says, yeah, but you could, you know, you can do anything. And seemingly he blessed her. And so that's the local folks or that. And that she, she let the crutches behind and she was able to walk. And I suppose while we're in this area, the church at Ballymore. Well, you would, you would know the courthouse from your time of reporting in the county council there in Lifford. And the design on the courthouse, it's, it's like the Victorian or Georgian architecture. And St. John's in Ballymore is a lovely design church. If you look at the windows on it, it's very similar to the courthouse. It's the same architect as, as in Lifford courthouse and St. John's. It was built in 1752. And interestingly, the bell in the, the St. John's was a bell that was taken out of Don Louie church, the partisan church in Don Louie. It's sitting there. And beside the lovely, this lovely church is a tunnel built by Stuart. He later became the landlord in AGR, Stuart in Ards, Ards Friarious. And his wife was Isabella Toller. He married this woman by the name of Isabella Toller. Her grandfather was known as a hanging judge. It was he that hung, that had Robert Emmett executed. And he used to fall asleep during the court cases, they say. And he wasn't very fair and very, very honorable man from, from historical accounts. But that was Toller, the hanging judge, as he was called. Okay, so it's still there to be seen that went from Ballymore church. It's on the main road. If you look at it, some of it was taken away in the 70s by the county council. They didn't do a very good job of it, because I think they aesthetically disturbed the balance of it. And that went down in two yards. We love you to see that being restored. How far is that tunnel? How, what distance is it? I wonder. And just from memory, it used to be a lot longer. It's maybe about 60 feet now, but it was a lot longer and there were stables there as well beside it. So for the road widening, I think they should have widened the road on the other side. Anyway, look, it is what it is. Okay, so we're going to talk about Ards, but then we'll talk about Locke Salt road first, because it's a fascinating road. And it used to be the road into Kreisler effectively via Glen and over the bridge and then on into Kreisler. What was it? We know who built it, don't we? It was William Ray. To what end? Why did he build it? And did he build it? Did it sort of go from, what do you tell us? What part did he actually build? Well, he seemed to be, again, when we talk about landlords, one has to be careful and there's a tendency of us and them and they were all bad. And that wasn't the case. And there were some very generous, good landlords. William Hamilton up there done, they got a town of recklessly generous landlord. There's a book about him. You know, there were good landlords as well. And William Ray seemed to have been a fairly good landlord. And one of his endeavors was to build roads and infrastructure. That seemed to be a hobby of his. And maybe at that time, it would have been a lot less financially burdening to get more road done than we would have to pay for now for a small bit of road safety plans and traffic management. There would have been none of that. And he realized that where he was and ours was very remote. And there was no road through Kreisler as we know now. The N56 didn't exist. So he decided, well, we need to build a road. And the best way to build a road is a straight road. And if you see some of the old roads in Donegal, they're often straight. But the problem with that is that meant they had to go up mountains. And that was difficult for animals. So he built a lot of salt with the idea of opening up Kreisler, Don Fane, he had that area, two letter Kenny. And so he has had a scheme in place. And he got each tenant to take on a responsibility for a small portion of the road. And over time, then it was built. And that used to be the main way into Kreisler, the main road until the new road was built in 1837. And believe it or not, it's only in the last 10 years, the cheerlead road, actually the bends were taken out of it. And it was fixed by the Donegal County Council, the fabulous job now. But William Ray was the head of the head of the County Council way, way back. And it's a fascinating road. It is very, very straight from what should be does it go past the waterworks there. And then I presume it would have required some blasting or whatever, because there's some kind of a particularly around the lakes, there's some kind of interesting rock formations that don't look quite natural. And I've often thought if there was different routes considered or if this was done via blasting or or something, you know, sometimes something looks like nature and then something looks like there was some, but I suppose it's arguable whether or not that's the deepest lake in Ireland as far as I'm aware, we're not going into that today. But brave enough, as opposed to skirt it with a road. Yeah, and Bishop Polcock, he came to Ireland, he never became Bishop of Meath, but he was from England. And he did a lot of tours, Egypt, Scotland, England. And he came to Ireland and he did anti-clockway, started in Dublin, went to Belfast and the Cross, and he commented on EGAL. And he actually wrote in his diary in 1752 about this road and how it was made and how well it was made. So obviously there was, you're talking about rock, obviously there was a design to the road that William Ray would have seen being fulfilled. And he talked about how good this road was. And he actually ended up going and visiting William Ray and going and visiting the Stewards and Hornheads. So a very, very interesting. And he talked, there was one beautiful thing that that he talked about was the amphitheater. He could see the vestments in the distance and a presaying mass and hundreds of people gathered round. So it was obviously a mass rock. And he said that the papers were too poor to have a church. And maybe that's what inspired William Ray to give the land a dough. Subsequently about 30 years later, the church was built after Pocox visited to Ray. So maybe he granted some land, maybe they had a discussion. But again, you're very correct in talking about the Lost Salt Road. And he had a lot to do with that. But this William Ray, and it's simply kind of, he went, he threatened his neighbor, another, another landlord, Stuart and Hornhead, who was maybe 70 at the time. And Ray would have been a young man in his 30s to a Jewel at the top of Mockish. His honor had been disrespected, but they managed to... Still goes on every weekend, I would say. Well, he wrote a note saying, I want this done in secret and my honor must be restored. But look, they ended up resolving the matter quite amicably. And all good relations were restored. But unfortunately, because of his roads and his expenditure, he went into debt and he had to end up selling aards. So that's how this... Right, because I've kind of jumped over aards a little bit. So what did William Ray establish at aards? What was his aards? Well, his aards was he built the original part of the house. That would have been the initial on the road into it. That would have been... He was a man that loved entertaining. He loved people. He was a kind of a very eccentric kind of individual, maybe a little bit on his own, but very good in so far as trying to develop the local economy and open up, as we talked about the road, trying to develop it a little bit. And very... He was a celebrated figure, eccentric, autocratic, kind and generous. That was his appetite, someone had written about him. But he ran into debt and he had to sell it to Alexander Stewart from Derry in 1782. And they extended the house and they put the wall around it. They built what we... Well, we wouldn't remember now that the old house that was there was subsequently knocked down, but there's some remnants of it there in the orchard. And he... His granddaughter then inherited the house after his time and she had married a man from South Africa. So it became known as the Stewart Bam estate. And then after their time then, they... It was the war of independence, civil war, all that had happened. Happened. And so the state then so... The Stewart Bam stole the estate to the Irish Free State in about 1926, around that time. And the Land Commission then divided arts, that is state in two. So the forestry, the Department of Lands and Forestry got one half, which is the walkway in the forest are now today. And then the other half was given to the capitans. Why would that have happened? I mean, is there a spiritual connection that predates this? Or would they have said, look, there's a nice spot of land up here. We think we could do something really nice. I mean, what would kind of horse trading goes on early last century to sort this out? You have two questions in one. So I'll come to the two both of them. Maybe you've asked a great question. The first thing is, when Ireland got independence, there were a lot of gentry houses available. And many of them were sold for convents. And in this case, this house was available. Bally Conlon for car was available. That was given to the Loretto Order to create a teaching college. And ARD was available and given to the capitans to do as they wish with it for students. And eventually they built a new, which is the ARDS we know today, in 1966. It was opened a new church and a new dormitory and living area that's still there. And actually over the years, there was a seminary there at Franciscan or Capitian Franciscan seminary there. Over 200 students would have studied in it over the years from the 60s on, all over the world, those capitans. Some of them we would know still that would be an ARDS would have spent time there. So that was given to the Capitans, sorry, of the Order of St. Francis for the purposes of education and for spiritual purposes. The other half was given to the forestation probably to maintain it and to look after it because there are quite some quite unusual trees that the church would have built during their time or trees that they would have planted. And some of the walkways that they would have built exactly to maintain all that would probably mean too much for the for the Capitans to do. But you asked a very interesting question, was there some spiritual tradition here? There actually was. And the spiritual capital of Klondaharki, that's Krista and Dolfanahi, would traditionally have been in Krista, beside Doe Castle. And in 1860, Rury Macsevna of Doe, he granted lands for the friars, the third order regular Franciscans. And so there was actually a friary there, a church and place for living and the different rooms that were required going back to the 1460s. So there's been a long, long tradition in Krista of spiritual formation and particularly with the Franciscans now with the Capitans. And that carried on down to the plantation, probably about 1609, when Henry VIII and the disillusionment of the church and then the plantation of Ulster, that would have been all closed down. But certainly there is a strong, long tradition of spirituality with the religious orders increased itself. Yeah, there's no right to do that. And you mentioned Doe Castle, we'll talk about that in a moment. But I think if I were to say, you know, Marble Hill and ask someone to say a word thereafter, they'd go Marble Hill Beach, it's very well known, often visited. Maybe people may not be as aware of Marble Hill House. Well, Marble Hill House is a pretty famous house. It belonged to, Francis Law was the last man he sold it off, Francis Law. But it belonged to Hugh Law, who was a TD for Donegal. He was an MP previous to that there. And a very light man, he then stood later on as a TD for Clanninale and was elected in the late 20s. But he was a very open man, loved entertaining. And he brought numerous people to the area, like Chesterton, you had Percy French, you had Cousins, you had A.E. Russell, different people like that. Jack B. Yitz, William Butler Yitz's brother, who won the Olympic medal for art in 1924. People maybe didn't know that. And he said, anywhere I take out my easel, this was in Marble Hill, I see a picture. So he could see beauty in the area of Marble Hill. So he was the owner, my apologies, Law was an MP. And his father actually, interestingly enough, was the Lord Chancellor to Ireland. And he was with Lord Cavanich the day he was murdered, the Phoenix Park murder. And he offered him a lift. They were just leaving a meeting from what now is Aris and Luc Duran, the vicaral lodge. He offered him a lift. And he didn't want to say he'd walk. And he walked to his death in the sense that he was murdered. And it was Law's father that offered him that lift that day. But the Laws were there. And that house was subsequent to his soul. But there's a lot of famous people that would have visited that house and would have come there. And what's its current function? Is it a private property? It's a private property there now. But interesting enough, Patrick Pierce came there at one time. He came in the 27th of August 1906 specifically to come. He landed at the train station in Chrysler. And he went down to Law's. Law wasn't there himself at the time. And there was a big celebration there. And he learned the theory really there. He seemed when he never had seen it before and they'd shown him how to dance the theory. And so Patrick Pierce would have come to Chrysler and would have spent some time there. And then the following day then after that, he went to Doughcastle, the famous Doughcastle. Yeah. And you talk of Doughcastle, it's a small jaunt to it. And it is, it's just full of history. Yes. Well, Doughcastle is probably an icon of symbols for Northwest on Eagle. Again, there's been some monies have been put into it in recent times and it's been beautifully restored. And it looks actually originally the way it's plastered as original colour. We would have had that colour, kind of white colour initially. And it had fallen into disrepair for quite some time. But it belonged to the McSweeney's, Cassianidoo, the Sweeney's of Dough. And they had been there for quite some time. And from 1570 to 1596, the chief was own Og. And in the four annals of the Four Masters, they talk about this own Og. McSweeney was an influential and generous gifted of good counsel in peace and war. And it was he that took Red Hugh O'Donnell in foster aid. So Red Hugh O'Donnell was sent with him to be reared. And we know then what happened with Mullen with Red Hugh being captured by the English at the Nine Years' War subsequently. And obviously then the failure of the Irish in the end and the plantation of Ulster. But then the second thing about Doughcastle is then in 1652, my apologies, 1642, sorry, Spanish frigate came into Doughcastle man by O'n Rua O'Neill. So one of the people that had left on the flight of the Irish came back with a hundred Irish men that had been in the Spanish army to begin the 1642 rebellion. That's where it began. It began in Doughcastle when he arrived in there, the St. Francis of the name of the boat. And subsequently then it belonged to George Wohenhart in the 19th century before it was bought by the Land Commission in 1922. So it's a very, very famous, famous cafe. Yeah. All right. So, okay, we're coming to the end of our time, Joe. But let's stay with the castle then. And you talked about the history, the tangible, but every castle has its ghostly legend, doesn't it? Ah, yeah. And Dough is no different. Kevin McAward, he's a former retired national school principal of Priestess School, National School, has written a lovely book about Doughcastle. And then that he tells a story about the famous love between Aileen McSevna, Aileen McSevna and Turla Algo Broyle. There's a castle in Port Niblah called the O'Boyle that's still there. And they're going to be used by the Reyes before they built Ards. But the family that owned that were the O'Boyles. And he was Turla, I was madly in love with Aileen. But Milwara McSevna of Dough was having none of it. And Neil Michael of Regia, who you mentioned, maybe, poured from Greece. There wrote a lovely poem in English and just maybe read two verses of it. And on Tallywood, as best he could, his love for a hurry vowed, but her father overhearing him, chastised, O'Boyle allowed. In hotty pride, he says, abiding for her by the sea, but you'll never wed the daughter of Milwara McSevna and Broyle. So he wasn't going to have any of Turla O'Boyle's advances on his daughter, Aileen. And so, seemingly, he was captured by Milwara and taken as prisoner and put into a dungeon in Doughcastle. And on seeing Turla O'Boyle's body coming out, it was wrapped in a sheet. Aileen was in the tower. She took fright. And in the moment of madness, she jumped out of the tower. She couldn't handle the fact that her love was no more. She fell to her death. And both of them were buried in the graveyard just next to Doughcastle. And there is a boat on Yacca still there at the bridge. You'll see a boat at night time with two people in it. And as the first goes, and fishers say along the beach, a phantom boat is seen to gently glide by pale moonlight, adorned by lack of stream, while in that boat two figures float and on each face a smile to say it is young Aileen and her Turla O'Boyle. Oh, skinny. Make the hair stand. Okay. Okay, listen, there's so much more time we could have dedicated to this. But I think it's so important just to talk about what is a most beautiful air in the first poem that you read quite rightly points out just the most beautiful area. Dr. Joe Kelly, thank you so much for joining us for this Talking History Extra podcast, I suppose you could say. Yeah, so we've got and again, to the memory of the people that have died in Krista, and to the honor of those that have injured and to the honor of the community. I hope that, you know, the light shining the spot of the world has been on Krista, but Krista has a very rich history, culture, heritage, faith, all those wonderful, wonderful things. And I have no doubt that in this present time, it is all those rich things that they're rooted in that will help them be restored. And please God, when when things are assigned to history in time to come, all the positives will be remembered and the sadness will dissipate over time.