 We're recording a welcome everyone. This is the Thursday seven o'clock meeting of the joint capital planning committee. I am the chair Kathy Shane. And under the governor's orders, we will be conducting this meeting virtually rather than in person. And one of the first things I need to do is make sure that everyone who's on the committee can hear and be heard. So I'm going to go go through the faces that I can see on the screen and just call out your name and let me know whether your systems are working for you. So I'll start with Andy Steinberg. I'm here. Alex LeFevre. Here. Peter Demling reporting for duty. Tammy Tamsen. Kelly Tamsen. Tammy's here. Tammy's here, Mandy. Present. And then Carrie Spitzer. Okay, so that's the committee and then Sean Magnano, who's the finance director. I'm just going to double check that you're, and then he's joining us and he can, and Paul Bachman, who I think everyone knows. You know, just before we started the live recording, we did ask for volunteers for taking minutes and Carrie volunteered the minutes from last week's meeting are posted. So I think we are all set up to begin, and there's, we've done a change in the order of the agenda where we're going to take the resident capital request first, and we're joined by the teacher. And then again, the committee authorized me to review the, and make them final. I haven't done that yet, but we're going to be posting draft minutes, and then we'll do finalized minutes. So we're going to do the first and we're joined by the team that put this request together and Sean maybe you can introduce this. If that would be okay with you. Yeah, thank you. So when we opened up the resident capital requests window we received one request from Andra and the team and we, we had a presentation last year I think it's a similar request, correct. So we gave them the opportunity to come tonight to talk a little bit about that for the committee. And I don't know if, if you guys need anything put up on the screen I've got the, the description if you want me to share my screen or if you have something you want to share. That's fine too. How would you like to proceed you can, you can tell us. No, I think we'll just give a presentation. Nothing on screen. Again, right now the floor is yours. Hi again, good evening. My name is saw holy. I'm a senior at Amherst regional high school and I've been advocating for this resident capital request and so began in I think mid 2019. And we also have a new person who became involved in this project just a few months ago if she wants to introduce herself. I can't hear you. I can see you're, I can see that you're talking. I'm written maybe you need to get closer to the mic. At least I can't hear you. Okay, so maybe we'll continue and sometimes if you have headphones and a mic, sometimes they take over if the computer mic isn't working or you have to turn the computer, the computer audio on, you may or may not have made that choice. Can we move forward and then we'll see whether we can get her with us shows up as muted. And now she's muted but she wasn't muted before Andy when she was talking. I'll just go on a little bit while and Rita figures out the technical, her, the technical difficulties but our new person who was Mike is currently not working is and Rita rudder and she's a freshman at Amherst regional high school. So, as you probably already know, we're back again to introduce or reintroduce our resident capital request that will basically determine the feasibility of installing solar systems on municipal sites. And since we've already established our town goal of achieving 100% carbon neutrality by at the latest 2050 and we have a deadline coming up which I believe is 25% reduction by 2025 so in less than four years. We just want to emphasize that it's really important that we get started on achieving that goal. I have and Rita's not here I think I'll go ahead and go a little bit into what she was going to say. So we just want to emphasize again that it's really important to do these studies really quickly especially since it's a study and not actually the actual installation of solar panels and achieving our goals. And while obviously the impacts of climate change isn't isn't felt by everyone equally it's something that will be felt by everyone to some degree if you haven't already and it will be severe. So we have to work tirelessly from this point forwards if they want to turn this around. So since this study was presented in 2019, we've gathered some support. We've gathered, of course, for example and Rita joining us has been a show of support from town and town members and residents towards our proposed project. So I think when and Rita comes she'll share a little bit about her story so I'll just go I'll move into the next section. But, so I've been. See, if I'm ready to can get back in. Oh I think she is in. She's here but her, her mic is off right now under. Give it a try mom Rita. She's still, she's muted right now. Yes. No, no luck. Okay, go on. I wonder if the Mike is using us is different. Maybe she can change her mic in the zoom setting. But I'll just quickly go forwards. So basically I've been doing this project since 2019 when I was sophomore freshman or sophomore junior and now I'm a high school senior, getting ready to graduate and unfortunately, we haven't quite been able to get this request approved so I'm, I'm asking the committee a little bit more urgently this time for some more support and hopefully an approval. So, of course, we understand that since we first proposed this, this request that there haven't been any difficulties since then and of course, there's the coven 19 pandemic which has put a huge strain on the entire town and its residents. So we can't not acknowledge that. But we also believe that now with the new administration, and we're getting ourselves on a path to recovery and this town is getting itself onto a path for recovery. It's really important that the town also decides to include sustainability. Sorry, is that me who has the mic feedback or that happened when I'm ready to get back in. Okay. Okay, I'll just finish my section really quickly and hopefully and read as Mike will be working a little bit better. So yeah we we just find it really important for Amherst include sustainability sustainability measures and its recovery plan, especially since 2025 and our 20 our 50% carbon neutrality goal is coming up and I believe 2030, which is also fairly soon. So, as we kind of put things back that makes kind of things a lot more expensive, costly and more time consuming the more we push things backwards so despite some of the issues that we might be having now it may be worth it to put this forward on the prioritizes on our agenda. And of course, we have heard the IPCC 2018 report about about our 12 year kind of window to significantly reduce carbon emissions globally. And then our 1.8 degree Celsius increase in global temperatures. And since it's really important that we begin locally and kind of build that momentum to bigger cities and states. So it's so crucial that Amherst is really aggressive with its plans and pushes itself as a leader of this movement. And that being said, I'm going to send it over to Enrita and hopefully her mic is working a little bit better. What. Why don't you try not using your screen and see if it works better. Can you hear me better. A little bit. Okay. Just like the section about kind of what your story with climate change is. Cool. So students and residents in Amherst really, really do care about climate change. I don't think that there's anyone my age that I've talked to that doesn't show like strong support for fixing this. I mean, we all are living with this problem and we know that it's something that we're we're not going to have to do something about. Yeah. And so I've been raised and like my life I've been living kind of in fear of climate change and most other people my age have as well. I mean, it's just this thing that's kind of in the back of our minds constantly. Yeah, I'm terrified of the temperature rising of the sea levels rising of all the increased like natural disaster that might be coming our way soon. So yeah, we know that COVID is probably your main concern right now, but it will pass and the climate change the climate crisis won't. And so we need to be thinking long term right now and really, since we have the means to make at least this one little change, we really have to take it because. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. And that did come across clearly. You might want to mention the amount of money you're requesting. I'm going to speak to that. Okay, so did you. And I'm ready to finish. Before I just kind of turn it over to Andrea and Rita, do you want to say a little bit about your next part about kind of the change in administration and kind of increased support. Yeah, sure. So because of the democratic shift in our government, there's going to be a lot more support for projects like these in the future. So we're like in a point in our country where big positive changes really possible. And we really want to be at the forefront of that. So there's a better time than now to do things like this and be taking steps towards really getting it under control. So before we turn it over to Andrew for some of the more technical information. We just want to emphasize again that this is a study and not yet the actual commitment to installing solar panels on municipal sites. And I believe that the town has already contracted a study that identified the middle school as a potential place for installing solar panels. So it seems like this project has already started and what we are requesting is now is a more engineering study that will go more in depth into those potential sites and figure things out like costs and the process. So, since it seems like there's already been a start, we're hoping that we'll be able to push into approving this capital request for us the next step. So now to Andrea. So, thank you. I'm Rita and saw how I just want to remind everyone that the energy and climate action committee has endorsed the resident capital request two years in a row. And, and that the concept of having a resident capital. Budget is something that's valued, even though ours was the only one two years at a row, I think that having it be successful will help to empower other people. And the state, I followed very closely the state legislation that's relevant to climate and there is money that is going to be coming through and so if we have the study done, then we'll be able to. We'll have a shovel ready project that we can put in for, you know, the first granting period or however it ends up working. So in terms of the technical specifications, the students are most interested in having a parking lot canopy at the middle school or high school. And so we emphasize that we want not only the initial concept and drawings but also an engineering study. That would go into some more details. For instance, an analysis of the potential for having electric vehicle charging at 10% of the parking spaces. So we have a solar canopy for EV ready bus depot for electric bus and future electric buses and analysis of costs and benefits of integrating storage and some other integration technology. That's in our sort of the technical part of our request. That's, I think that Sean mangano probably has a little bit of an update on what we already know from the solar study that was a part of the consultant work that that is helping the AC AC do our climate plan. So Sean. Yeah, I can give a little update. So, after the presentation that was given last year. Great job again tonight great job last year. We had worked with Stephanie, you know, because it was a tough capital year and I wasn't able to be funded, but it seemed like a really good project we were trying to figure out other ways to fund it. We connected with Stephanie Chikarello who does the sustainability for us. And we coincidentally a resiliency grants came out from FEMA building resiliency and something that came with the acronym stands for but Stephanie put together a really strong grant application for that program. And it's the program's not necessarily focused on these types of studies it's more focused on repairing bridges and culverts and things like that but we wanted to give it a shot. And she submitted a really strong application and it ultimately did not get approved. However, there was really positive feedback from the reviewers of it, which would be believe it was FEMA, either MIMA or FEMA. And they actually connected with Stephanie about potentially taking that application for another grant program, which wouldn't, it wouldn't necessarily be a monetary program where they give us money but they may actually provide some of the technical expertise that is needed to execute something similar to what's in the resident capital request doing sort of a broad look at town. And that is relatively recent that update. We found out that maybe a few weeks ago. And so that's sort of where we're at on that piece of it and then on the regional side. For those who aren't aware, I do believe the region included. I can't remember the exact dollar amount whether it was 15 or 20,000 some money and it's capital plan for FY 22 as well. So there's a couple different pieces of funding that are moving forward on something very similar. I'm not sure if it's exact but it's something very similar to what's in the resident capital request. I'll just clarify that we don't, we didn't ask for the roofs of the middle school and high school to be considered so that would be a good use of the 15,000 and our request is for 25,000. So if that's the conclusion of the presentation, why don't we open for questions. And I'm going to, I will manage your raise your hand. Thank you this was this was just touched upon, but I don't know who to get more clarification on this one from though is the, the interrelationship between the item that shows up on the school capital plan that said in conjunction, I don't know the exact amount, but it was like in conjunction with the town of Amherst funding or something regarding solar studies. And so the question I have for the presenters is, what's the, is the 25,000 you're asking for the total cost of everything you've proposed or a portion of the cost with the amount that was in the regional capital plan, removed from the total cost I'm trying to figure out because that one implied that it was the same sort of study. So Cary might be able to clarify that a little more, but I what the originally the first year, the idea for the solar study put forward by the regional district was to look at a very specific site at the middle school, which, and probably wouldn't need all of the 15,000, perhaps would go some distance to getting study of the middle school roof as well. So it, it was actually, you know, not looking at the same places. So it's in it, you know, they're not connected except that I think last year, Sean suggested that it could be the same person studying it. I see Paul, I see Paul's hand, your hand went up Paul did you want to address this question. But no I just wanted to clarify that the request was for $20,000 the written request so I don't know if the applicants are changing that. That was a typo. It was 25 that year before but I guess we need to amend it if it's more if it's not 20. Just clean that up to be clear what you were asking for. We're asking for 25. So are there other questions. I think Mandy's question is that we can get back and we can get that clarified Mandy, they interact. I'm Andy's hand is up Andy. Oh I can see there's also a hand on the screen. That's great. Yeah. So I guess the only thing that I would ask to follow up on is, because last year there was no request in for the region budget. And now there's a piece in the capital budget of the region is a total, you know, is that where the total difference comes in. Yeah. I don't. So I think last year, it was originally in the, in their request and then they had a similar issue and when the pandemic hit, I think they ended up pulling out a lot of the capital requests last year. So I don't think. I think the 25 is a standalone to do as much as possible that's in the resident capital request with a focus. My understanding is a focus on the parking lots at the middle school and high school. And a general survey with less, not an engineering survey of, of all possible places in the municipality and we do have a start on that. So it's possible that it won't cost that whole amount. Because we do have at least a GIS study that that's been done to identify the best possible spots. I mean, just see if there's any other questions. I don't see any. So, thank you very much. You know, we, we can get it clarified what exactly the 15 will be for and what this will be addition. And I think it might be helpful since we heard that it's possible that we'll get some donated time of experts who have technically, you know, how that would get into this might be a useful additional piece of information that we could get. So I think that's it and I thank you very much. And I'm glad we you could come at the beginning because I was worried of your high school students didn't want to keep you up from your zoom classes. Okay, but thank you very much. And we definitely appreciate the passion that's behind this. Thank you. Yeah. So I think we'll now go to what was the first and the major item on tonight's agenda, which is the quite impressive document that Sean sent to us. And you did get it to us before this morning, which was appreciated. It was on Wednesday, which is when Peter asked for it. By five, Sean. All of us are up at 10. Sorry. And anyone who is listening, it has been posted as well. So, Sean, I, you know, I think it may make sense. If everyone is agreed that Sean sort of walks us through what we have in front of us. We made some notes of specific questions, but you just get a sense because this is a very different format that we then we've seen before. Yeah. And Paul, I don't do you want me to take it, start us off or do you okay. All right, so I'm going to share my screen. Do you all see the, the document in front of you. Not yet. It says you started sharing. Okay, let's try that again. I guess you erased it. Hopefully not. Right now do you see it in front of you. Yes. Okay. So this is the preliminary capital improvement program is still in draft form. And it's hopefully sort of encompasses most of the different items that we've talked about in the past and things we wanted to pull all together into one package. But I do want to stress it is in draft form and we're looking for your feedback on it to help improve the document. And we'll go from there. And a couple of things before we get into the details. So, you know, again, there's some parts of this document that are still in working form that and I'll point those out as we go through where we're still making updates. Throughout this process and until this document document becomes final which really won't be until it's presented to the council at the beginning of May. It's going to undergo lots of revisions. So I will point out some of the areas that are still truly in draft form and are going to have further updates. Some of the things that does do is it will show you the direction that the time managers thinking about for capital. Invest in areas like sustainability. Some of the things we just talked about, you know, there's at least one line item that could potentially address the request we just heard it also invest in accessibility improvements we just had an accessibility study done completed recently. And so we hope to make progress there. And I'll obviously in town infrastructure and some of the needs we've heard about this section we looked at this last time this is really just for people who are familiar with what the charter says about the capital improvement program it spells it out here and also the process to for the for the capital improvement program to be approved. Table of contents. So we added an introduction section to try to provide some context to the capital improvement program in the past. Sometimes it's just a spreadsheet with a bunch of projects listed. And so this is meant to give some narrative and set the direction. And so there's more information about the process not just this process JCPC but sort of the larger capital process and where JCPC fits into it. It also has a nice huge pie chart that shows how the FY 22 plan allocates funds across departments. And sort of as you would expect some of the biggest areas public works schools which include school facilities and equipment, and then town facilities which is the orange slice. So this is sort of as you'd expect where the major focuses of the capital investment are. I will point that there's a point out that there's a, sometimes on a participatory budget committee meeting earlier. There is a budget feedback form and link here that for the public if anybody wants to submit feedback on this or other budget items. There is an online form for to do that. There's other ways to interact obviously but that's one of them. There's a timeline that we discussed last time, and I haven't made any changes to it. I know, except for one thing. I missed a one presentation there's one project for the assessors office. So I added it to the last night of presentations this little, it's just a single project request for. So it's only 15 minutes. But other than that it's unchanged I know we talked about potentially realigning. We also had some conflicts and making sure that the people were able to attend the meetings that they wanted to make sure they were there for. But I don't I didn't hear anything specific so for right now this is unchanged in terms of the ones that were on there, and I was planning to send out invitations to department heads and zoom links and things like that tomorrow. So if there's any request to change this, it would be a good thing to discuss tonight. So I'm going to spend the most time on this section here. This is sort of the high level overview of the mechanism to finance capital in town. And so I'm going to do sort of a quick walkthrough of just what each section means and make sure everybody fully understands it. And then I'll talk a little bit about the assumptions that are sort of specific to this year's five year plan. Capital funding all starts with the property tax levy and that's what this top section is you'll see the prior prior year levy limit allowable increase for the two and a half percent allowable increase to the property taxes, an estimate for new growth and then a final property tax levy. And so for FY 21 it is actual. And then what we need to project is these out years and so you can see actual for 21 becomes the beginning point for 22 and then so on and so on. So really the big variable here is new growth, we usually try to be conservative in what we project for new growth, and especially for FY 22 because of the pandemic delay in some things and slowing some things down. You can see it's a little more conservative than what it is in the out years. That's a number that could change we work with the assessor's office to come up with a safe number. And so that it's possible that number could increase a little bit before the budgets finalized, but 500 is what it was in the last round of projections for the budget so that's where it is tonight. I just want to make sure is the font is the screen size, large enough for everyone to see. Is that better. I think so. Okay. The next line versus cash capital so that's whatever percentage is ultimately approved for the year that is applied to the property tax levy so this is how much of the property tax levy gets allocated to funding capital. So for 21, we all know because of the pandemic, the percentage dropped way down for 22 right now we're projecting it going back up to eight and a half percent. And then you can see what the out years are and I'll talk more about what those numbers are in a second and important to know this is based on a couple years prior so when you try to do the math. When we do look at like the eight and a half percent for example, it's based on the FY 20 actual levy, and that's because when we do our initial round of projections. And that's the only actual levy that were we know at that time which we went back in October, November. So we always have a couple year lag. So when you're doing the eight and a half percent. You're really looking at this number up here the 54,000,963,000. And then the next few sections are the other funding sources so that exclusion override if one exists reserves other other sources which could be a grant or a receipt reserve for appropriation fund so you'll be happy that I use that sort of revolving fund state aid, which is mostly chapter 90 money. And then the next section is borrowing so this section doesn't actually affect the calculation of whether we're over under funding it just summarizes what projects for that particular year. We are saying will be a borrowed for essentially not paid outright. And this does influence our projected debt that you'll see in a second so whatever we say is borrowed we then have a debt schedule projection attached to that that feeds into our projected debt. And down below the bottom sections around the expenditures so we start with the debt for all the projects that are approved. And then, as I said before this borrowing column we include projected debt for things that we expect to be borrowed. And then anything that's not a borrowing or anything that's not a borrowing would come would be a cash capital project. Unless it's one of these other ones below which I'll in a second so anything that's not a grant or exclusion override. So this last section are those other sources so and these are usually specific to a project so for exclusion override it would be a specific project that was approved for that. Same thing for these others that those usually grants that are specific to a certain activity or a certain expenditure. And then state aid is the chapter 90 money so it's sort of a wash. And the last row on here is whether the plan is in balance so the over under so you can see for 22 it's almost balanced but it's slightly over the next year a little bit more than it starts to even out. FY 26 you'll see that there's you know a larger chunk available and part of that is just that's farthest out in time. And so as we move closer that will surely be will surely go down as we get closer. Okay, Sean I see one hand is up. Do you want to take questions as we go along so Andy has if there's clarifying questions and yeah I think that would be this directly relates to this page actually. It's very simple and it's a suggestion that you use cash capital a few too many times for different lines in particular in the second section under the expenditures, you have cash capital and then you have cash capital under cash capital. Yeah, too many cash capitals. All right. I think that I think that that second use when the indented line below projected debt. Try and think of another. Okay, no that's a good that's good feedback. And I think that came up last year too and I should have fixed it for this year but I appreciate that. Okay, so then just a few points on some of the specific assumptions that are built into this so we wanted to make sure that the plan this year address that we have these four building projects that we're thinking about we didn't want to ignore that. The model that was presented on Tuesday night or Tuesday afternoon sorry to finance committee is incorporated into this. It's not to say that model is going to happen. But that is one option for how the four billion projects could potentially move forward. And so that's reflected here and that will be updated as you know more direction comes. So what does that mean for this it means when you look at the debt exclusion sections for example, that includes a single debt exclusion for the schools. And so you'll see that there's a revenue source and an expenditure they offset. And so me, it also impacts the percentage allocated towards capital so you see that going up to 10 and a half percent in the out years. And then that's due to the model in order to have enough funding to maintain sufficient levels of funding for ongoing capital but also for the potentially for the debt payments for three other building projects that 10 and a half percent is the is the target we were trying to get to. Lastly, the reserves so the model called for using some reserves to even out the years with the debt payments are the highest. And so you'll see that there's a reserve source of funds here. One thing I'll just know about this that's a little bit, maybe confusing for FY 22. The reserve that's being suggested to support the capital plan is the capital reserve that was approved in FY 21. So, if you if we all remember last year one of the items was a capital reserve. And it hasn't been touched yet, or used. And so the plan this plan assumes that we roll that forward to support the FY 22 capital improvement program. And the rationale is that a lot of the projects in this year's plan where projects last year we weren't able to do those projects last year. And so it made sense to then put that money if it's unused back into the plan to catch up. And then these out years after that that first year, these are truly from our reserves most likely our stabilization account. So the 500,000 these different ones in this row here. Any other clarifying questions on this table I'm going to keep moving on. But if everyone seems to have a handle on it. One for the people who weren't there on Tuesday. You might want to say this, but the implications are of if, if we try to get to 10% and then go to 10 and a half percent what the implications are for the operating budget so this was, this is a this is a decision point that makes a difference for Yeah, so for ledger but also for the piece we're not looking at which is the operating budgets. Yeah, I won't spend much time on it but just, I'll just point out sort of what's shown here which is these years where we increase the levy that goes towards from five to eight and a half percent and then really this next year eight and a half to 10%. Those are years that could potentially put more stress on the funds we have available for for everything essentially. We don't know what the FY 23 budgets going to look like so it's hard to say exactly but we did run sort of a scenario to illustrate for people what that could look like. And once you get to the 10% but it's a sort of a smaller step up to 10 and a half, but really this is the year where there's a big step up to get to 10. And again all this is really just catching up to where we were before because we were, I think we were at 10 or just about to go to 10 before the pandemic hit so most of this is just getting back to where we were before the pandemic. So I'm not going to go through every project but I will know a few things as I go through this. There are some resources right here so again if you're wondering what the proposal is for how to fund this project it's it's in this column here. And there's descriptions after this section that hopefully go in the same order is what you see here for them, they should for the most part go in the same order so you can get a summary of each of these in the next section of the plan. On the next page I will know so these electronic vote tabulators, I think this was a question, maybe Andy asked at one point, this is specifically to this is what would be needed to implement ranked choice voting. I know there's some question about the timing of when that would happen but these are, this is an updated quote of the machine for the machines that would be needed for that. And then I mentioned accessibility improvements so we added to this interior exterior maintenance project line item. It was at 150 we added 50,000 to it to put towards those accessibility improvements. They're not laid out yet because we still need to come to the plan for how you know what are the ones that make sense to start with, but we wanted to make sure that we started having funding in the plan to address those. And that's noteworthy as we did put in a recurring item for energy and sustainability improvements this 50,000. We intended for this to be a broad sort of use item because there's so many different opportunities that arise through the year and different ways this can be used. But some of the things we were envisioning would include some of the things like the studies we heard about earlier. It could be used to upfit, you know, if we have the money for a vehicle but we don't have enough to get it maybe to a hybrid or incorporate some hybrid like elements like we did with the ambulance earlier in the year. It could be used to push it, you know, to where it needs to be. It could be used to improve ventilation, mechanical systems, heating and cooling systems that improve sustainability. We just mostly wanted to get something in here because we know that this is going to be an ongoing challenge, and that there's not going to be a shortage of areas where we can improve. I see one hand is Alex. Thanks, China. No, this is a the right time to ask the question but on this page with facilities. I think that again this year we don't have the North Amherst library listed as a town facility and so I just want to. It seems it should be there because it's a town owned facility so I just want to point that out. So I think the reason it's not there is because there's no projects currently associated with it. Yeah. It's never there is again so that we make sure it shows up in the right spot. It's never lived there so that's why I just want to make sure like when it needs to go there it does go there. But what you're saying is that it should be it's a town owned facility so it should be under the facility section. Okay. That's just one of those quirky things that never quite made it into the right place on this. Yeah, I remember that plan. Yeah, last two years ago. Yeah. Thank you. I'll go in. I'll point out one relatively new project at cracker farm there. There's a more urgent need for some roof funding we always have sort of the full roof replacement out a few years. However, there was a portion that needed some more repairs sooner than that so this is a relatively new item that was put on this year. The schools also have money for accessibility improvements as well. I'm just going to go over just because I know that's a number that's often looked at the road figure for cash capital contributions is 850,000 for sidewalks it's 200,000, and that would be in addition to the, the chapter 90 money. And just a quick comment from me on this, the one that caught my eye was the first almost 500,000 and then the 1.8 million for North Amherst intersection will get that presentation when DPW comes in is that when that'll be scheduled. That's certainly when it'll be discussed. Yeah, I'm sure that's a large enough project that it'll probably have its own probably standalone discussion at some point in the future but we can talk about that when Guilford comes. Okay, because there's going to be a lot of interest in what's underneath those numbers so just, just before warned on that. Yep. What are we building will be the question. What are what are we getting for that number. Yeah. Thank you. The piece here the town hall zoning update shows up twice that's because it's, it's one project it's two different funding sources. There's a old capital article that we'll talk briefly about when we get to the old article section that is being repurposed to support a zoning update. So the total cost for the zoning update is 100,000 but the new money going towards it is only 60,000 because 40 is coming from an old article that's being repurposed or proposed to be repurposed. So the just this last section so all the vehicles we've put in one spot here because there's a lot high focus on vehicles. It's been a number of years since we've replaced vehicles so that's one of the reasons why it looks heavy and it's because it's been two or three years since we've really done anything with vehicles. It's spread across multiple departments as you can see it's not it's not like there's one area where they needed it more than others it's really spread out pretty broadly. So, I'm going to keep moving on these are the descriptions that I mentioned, we try to highlight the projects that we felt did improve energy efficiency or sustainability. And so sort of a judgment whether or not you know, sometimes things can indirectly do that so I welcome your feedback on that. One question I had when I saw that is, you've got this great green leaf, and I didn't know whether that meant everything after that is is green, or it's, it's just to that item is that correct. Yeah, it's just that item so the description below that item yep. Okay. So, we talked a lot about how one of the ways to get our plan more balanced year to year was some things we're going to have to come off that were that were not it. Either we couldn't afford them or required more planning before we could put them on there. And so that's what this list is. And I'll just highlight one of them that we added recently was the feasibility study improvements at Crocker Farm. And it goes down to a specific number to put there to keep on people's radar so I put the range of what was came out of that feasibility study. And the one thing I put a note here that I just want to say is that we, there are some elements of that that are already incorporated into the plan above, such as the full roof replacement and there's some HVAC improvements. There's more just to keep it on people's radar there's still decisions to be made about with the school project about whether what that would look like essentially, but I just wanted to point that out. This table is around asset maintenance and how much we spend to keep our buildings running up and going and same thing with our vehicles, it always existed it was, or at least the building section always existed it was in our budget document. So this is a better spot for it when we talk about capital and and sort of what is the cost to maintain the capital when something's approved. This is a high level summary by building of the utility consumption. I think, Tamsen, do you have a question. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just looking at hands not up but maybe there's hands up physically. I think you're muted. And Mandy's hand is now up the mute button still on. I'll note while we're waiting is that I missed a square footage for Southeast campus so I will clean that up. Okay, I think she's saying let's go to Mandy because it's. I've got it. You got it. Okay, I have a real issue with the use of months in Memorial Library. I think people get confused and they think it's just a library. And I think it ought to be just months in building, because the library occupies less than half of the building and I think people get misled thinking that's just entirely the just the library you're talking about or the whole building is the library people who aren't familiar with South Amherst. So, all along you use months and use months in library use months in Memorial Library. I think we need to be consistent and say months in building, because it is the months in building that the town owns the library pays rent. It's not a rental amount but pays rent for the part of the lot of the months in building they occupy. Yeah, no we can we can absolutely make that change. Because it, I went through and it's called different things in different places and I think we need to be consistent, because somebody could look at that and think oh well the months and libraries getting a new age back system how come, you know, and it isn't it's the entire building so. Yeah, thanks. I mean this months in building doesn't sound as nice, but we can make months in Memorial building I mean that's what it's called with the trustees because I went and looked up, I mean it is the months in Memorial building and the trustees. So I see Mandy then Peter then Alex I think that's the order. Yeah. I actually thought Tammy was going to do my question but she didn't. North Amherst Library isn't on this and I noticed Alex is going to cover it. And I know not all the buildings were on this right, but the North Amherst Library. Is it, I guess, was it forgotten or is it because and this is where the trustees maybe can help me. Who pays for those maintenance, or you know the asset maintenance is that the trustees and that's why it might not be on here or is it the town I just don't know why it might have been left off or why other or how you got to these eight building. You know, some work is done by the, you know the library custodial staff but some is done by the town. And I noticed in a previous page, it is listed under the Jones Library, the Jones is listed and the Amherst North Amherst Library is listed under libraries when it should be a town building. I mean, I'll look into why there's no North Amherst Library wasn't on what we've included in the past and I'll have to dig into why we haven't included it, whether if we don't pay the, I'll just have to look into what we pay for. I remember years ago when GCPC Claire McKinnon said no the library Jones owns that building, and she went back and checked and said no I was wrong the town owns the building. Okay. Yeah, I'll look into that and if we can, if we can add it will add it. Peter. Um, let's see. So I got these hands, I got these mute buttons. If my question was on the pending list. I don't know if you could go back to that real quick. So, I just want to understand what exactly this is, is, are these items that have been formally requested to be funded by the various department heads, or are these things that have been in generally studied and we know a cost for them. The reason I ask is because of the, the Cocker Farm feasibility study improvements, which is, which is, you know, as you see a rather large number and I just don't want to get, give people the impression that, that in addition to eventually asking the community to fund a large school project, we've also requested, you know, this I mean like you said there are lots of decisions to be made and some of the items that were covered in there are already in the capital plan and whatnot but Yeah, I know it's a good question. I'd say that one's a little bit different than the other ones all the other ones have been, I think have been on the capital plan at one point or another. When we went back and met with department heads and said we got to get, we got to get the plan and balance we want to have a balanced plan going forward, that one that we can actually stick to. These were the projects that sort of dropped off again either because we just no way we could afford them currently, or they just maybe weren't at the point where we, they were ready to move forward. And so working with department heads these were ones that we were able to just pull down, knowing that we didn't want to lose sight of them because they might still be projects at some point we want to put back up there funding becomes available. That's where most of this list comes from the, the last one so talking with the school folks and it was, it was suggested that we should at least put it on there to keep in our minds, because it did because the school project project is moving and potentially one option of that could have significant costs for cracker farm. So we wanted to put it on there as a more as I keep it in people's minds, but it is a little bit different than the rest of them. Yeah, I mean I'll just be blunt I think it's confusing because it feels like this is a deferred list, like, here's the things we're funding here the things we didn't get to but they're, they're pending right they're about to come on the list and you know, I mean, I think it's clear because it's a public meeting you know I fully support like maintaining cracker farm, but it's I just don't want to give the false impression that that the schools have already asked for $27 million, you know for cracker farm for example, in addition to what we've, what we're going to have to be asking you know a number of years from now so I'm just sensitive to that as a communications point that's all. Yeah, no I think it's it's a worthwhile conversation that we should have about you know what goes in there. But it was new this year so it's definitely I understand why it sticks out. Alex, your hand is up to. Yeah, and I think I've managed Joe said I was going to say so on the the North Amherst library. My understanding because I was the one who brought it to JCPC and said hey this is owned by town and was told no. I think the North Amherst library Sean isn't on here because I think it's one of those quirky things that we had a lot of people change over sort of everywhere and it's a really strange. We pay some maintenance things we pay the operating costs of it. But there's a but it's owned by town so I think it's one of those things and Paul can tell me if he thinks otherwise that's, I think he's probably still being fleshed out what it looks like in the future. And, and who's paying for operating costs and things I think it's probably still a gray area. So I think it just, we need to, we need to not lose sight of it, especially if work eventually gets done on it but but yeah I think it's just fuzzy. Okay. All right. I just, well, I have one question on Peter. Paul's got a hand up I don't know Paul. Paul has one. Let's just speak to what I was blathering on about. Yes. And, you know, and I was going to stay at Alex I was going to get more complicated when the, when it gets renovated and there's a community room there. So I think we do and we talked to a lot today at our public meeting, or the community chat of people are like, how are we going to maintain it how are we going to budget for all those types of things so I think it's those are really valuable questions and you know, this is not supposed to be a comprehensive building list we own a lot of smaller outbuildings for different, you know facilities this is just sort of at the time this was created was to capture the larger buildings. I think North Amherst library should certainly be on there as well. So, thank you. So this is a question just on the pending and you don't have to go back to the list it was more the things that aren't on the pending that used to be on the list. Should I do we interpret it. If it's not even there. It's not pending. So, one that you caught my eye a couple years ago was a senior center. It's not there anymore. The other one is community fields, which we know has a large price tag on it, whoever is paying for that. So, is pending as Peter, except for that last line is pending things that if we had a bit more money. We might want to do these things sooner rather than later is that the intention of this. Again, it's sort of a combination of that. That's one purpose for this list and another purpose is we might just not be ready to move forward with it. Not all the items are necessarily on there because their cost prohibitive but it might just be that like South Amherst campus basketball rec area. We don't know if that makes sense at this point to put a basketball court at South Amherst campus because what's going to happen there is still to be determined. So, again, it's a combination of whether we have sufficient funding but also it might just be we need more time for planning. The senior center one. It's, it's my guess is it's probably because it's not within that five year window or right now it's not projected to be within that five year window that we're looking at. I can't remember where it was last time it was on there but that's my understanding for this plan now is that it's not within that five year window. If that you know is this as you said this is a draft, if that gets firmed up, we could put a few sentences in here toward that you know it's not, it's not that it went out to Mars it just not in the five year window. Yeah, I know I can, I can try to fear, maybe we can work together on how to clarify that. And then, and then take a close look at this if, if any of these are also probably not in the five year, you know, in any case just to be a little bit more clearly what how pending is pending. Okay. Okay. And Kerry's hand is up. Yes. Sorry, I'm used to Google. So, um, I just wanted to chime in also about the cargo farming, I would be comfortable if, if it were included if it was like within 10 years or something if it, but I do also feel sort of this discomfort with the suggestion that within five years we might be asking for another nine to 27 million so I guess I'm wondering if there's the possibility to kind of create a list of things that we'd love to fund if we have more money and things that are things that we shouldn't lose sight of because we're going to need to make a room for them in the 10 year plan. You know, I know we're focused on trying to create a five year plan, but I think it's helpful to hold in mind the things that are kind of coming after that on the horizon because if we don't we may think about borrow more that won't let us, you know, afford things like the improvements that I'm sure we're going to need to make a cargo farm in the future just because buildings age and, and, you know, there are all these unknowns related to how the town moves forward with the school building project. So it's just a suggestion I don't know I don't want to create a ton of work but that might be a solution to this issue. So I'm open to changing how this is formatted. One of the things we might want to do too is when the school school folks come and present we might this might be one area we want to ask about or discuss with them is to, you know, does this make sense the way it's presented. Yes, Paul's hand is up. Yes. Yeah, so I think what's important. This is all really valuable because I think one of the things that JCPC can actually contribute is what do you want this list to be what should it be what what are the criteria for being on this. There are a lot of things on here that, you know, North Amherst fire station there's a million things that could be added to this. I think what we're trying to do in basically in response to JCPC last year, which was very valuable to say, we want a five year realistic capital plan. And then we said well what do we do with all these other things we don't want to just forget them because they don't exist they do exist and so I think this was our attempt to sort of capture them someplace but I think it's not like this is not the to do list. There are other things that might rise to the to do list. And so I think we, we do need to work on this a little bit about what you because it does communicate to the public. What's what's in the offing. And I think there's a lot of other things out there that we have not captured here just because it didn't rise but the Sean's mission was make a five year realistic capital plan. And I think that was directly come from this group and so I appreciate that and I think it's valuable. Peter. Yeah, I'm sorry to I don't mean to belabor the point but I just wanted to clarify. I'm not at this point. I don't feel for or against spending nine to $27 million on the Crocker Farm feasibility study. It's just that we haven't even like the school committee has even had one discussion about it right and so it doesn't even, it shouldn't even be included in the offing list because we haven't even thought about discussed at the school level there ought to be in the offing right and so I'm not saying it should or shouldn't because we haven't had the discussion yet and there's not a quorum the school committee here. But it's that kind of confusion but I think if I think Sean, you know what I mean. Yeah, I know I totally get it. Mandy. I think the suggestion of maybe creating two lists might be a good solution to this one that is sort of the five year either they're not ready but they might be within five years and they and if we can find the money form. So we're thinking, you know, sort of that half deferred list I wouldn't call it deferred but because some of these aren't ready as it said, additional planning, and then a maybe longer term major, or however we want to define quote major that sort of tracks to maybe that facilities list that said things about repairs that are needed you know that would be five or six million or more where we might need a lot of money for you know so that we don't lose track of that borrowing as we're slotting things in over the next couple years because those years will start showing up in a five year plan eventually and that might be also helpful to not just JCPC with the Council and the public to start thinking about big projects that might be on the horizon. You know, and I just want to, I know you're going to get to the facilities report to Sean but Mandy's point is there are a few there that are important buildings that were listed as being in poor condition. So, you know, it's a way of, if we have that longer term list of biggies that it's, let's not forget these. The way my life is going five years is becoming shorter than it used to be. So, there may be doing two kinds of less. No that's great and I really appreciate every other comments so far. All right so I'm going to keep going. I think we talked about this so people have the general sense and I'll look into the different pieces that were the rays about this section. So the next section is status of approved projects in the past, and just a quick orientation the project number kind of tells you what fiscal year it is. So, this first project here was FY 13. This one in particular is the one that I mentioned was being repurposed to support the zoning project. So this 40,000 and it was a, it was related to zoning back in FY 13 when it was approved so made sense to repurpose that one. And then you'll see the different ones there's really not that much there for older articles a lot of them are 18 which is four years old. But we did reach out to all the department heads to get a sort of status check and, and pretty much all of them are either planned to be used or already contracted to be used. So we did do this process for this year we were able to close out a few articles as well so it was a productive process to, to clean out some of the things that didn't need to be closed. So Andy and Alex's hand are both up are they up on this or did I miss them before. Okay, Alex, and I didn't see what order they came up so I'll just do Alex then Andy, or Andy then Alex whichever one of you. Alex was first. Okay, Alex. Let me show my ignorance here. So, in the outstanding amounts, there is 24,000 for puffers pond dredging permits, which says in progress but then in our list of pending projects that were pushing out one of them is dredging puffers pond. I'm sure that all works out I'd have no idea I just saw both of those and it just made me curious. I don't know if Dave is available he's here you probably have the best, the best response to that question. Hello, thanks for that question. Yeah, so, dredging puffers pond is a huge project, and we'll take a number of years so what we're trying to do is line up, getting the permitting ready it'll be a couple of years to permit it and then we'll see if the town actually wants to dredge it because there's a fair bit of work that needs to be done before that with engineering and permitting so we need to figure out volumes of sediment to be removed what's the quality of that, that sediment is any of it contaminated at, and if so at what depth, and all of these old mill ponds have sometimes decades of of sediment built up. So that's really it's kind of a preparation for for dredging. I think the reality is if if we don't want to dredge buffers bond it is filling in and over the last 20, 20 years it's filled in pretty dramatically so it's an old built meal pond that will not last forever. So I hope that answers your question. Andy. Yeah, the sort of thinking about a comment made by another counselor who's not on JCP who's asking about a very specific thing at one point fairly recently which is basketball courts. I think that that was a CPA project and not funded through the capital plan, but I wanted to confirm that and confirm that CPA projects are not included in this list but probably ought to be reported on at some point. Yeah CPA projects are not on this list. I don't Dave do you want to give a quick update on the basketball courts as well because we talked about that one recently. Yeah, that's a great question Andy thank you. Again, we've been working the planning department's been working closely with with Guilford and his staff and engineering and yeah the basketball courts at Mo River have been on a radar screen for a number of years. The construction or reconstruction money is all CPA dollars. And really, we've done some patching up there and some work on the through the years on the cracks. And what Guilford team really determined to my understanding is that there was a lot of subsurface water and drainage that needed to be done there. So, last fall, all of the basketball courts were removed. And we're going to really try to do it right. We're, I believe, original from the 1970s. And they've been resurfaced but never any subsurface work. So we're going to deal with the water and the water movement under. We're also going to expand them slightly to include two full court basketball courts with 10 foot baskets. And then I believe we're going to have two eight foot baskets for young kids to use. So the project. For the same price expanded a little bit, but we think it'll be a much better outcome. Okay, were there any other questions yet. Okay, I don't see any hands so. So again we went with older than three years, because we thought the focus for this particular section was really on what's out there that you know we need to stay on top of that hasn't been spent less than three years, a lot of capital projects take more than a year. Yes, that was our rationale for why we thought, let's start with things that are three years and older. So the things you won't see on this list is anything from FY 19 or earlier. Or if I'm 19 or if I'm 19 or 20 essentially because FY 21 didn't have any projects approved. Before Sean was on I have one other question. If I may. Yep. Thank you. You said that in doing this process you closed out a lot of accounts. Where did that money go if it was capital doesn't you know I didn't seem like it ended up in sort of the reserve use for capital this coming year did it go into free cash, or, or can you just talk a little bit about when you close out something that was specifically for capital where it goes. Yeah, I'll give Sonya a second to see if she wants to respond to that one and if not I'll take a crack at it. She's unmuted. Hi. Yeah, we close that out it stays in the capital project fund and we repurpose it with this at the 40,000 really is closed and it's part of that. In the Amunus reports you'll see a line and I'm called control account and that's where it sits until we kind of save that for emergencies. I don't need to balance out the reports, but it's there. And I have all the art a list of all the articles that have been closed that make up that amount to. Okay so it's dedicated for capital though it doesn't. Okay, so it's capital. Thank you Sonya. Yep. All right so keep going almost done. And I can't remember if it was from our policy manual or from the original joint capital planning committee document Andy may remember but this was what we talked about last time some of the criteria for what is a capital project the timing of it, the different financing sources so this is really just sort of informational context to to the capital planning process. The appendix is the capital inventory. So the first section is on buildings and so one thing I wanted to note with this section this is still being up this is one of those sections that I mentioned before that's still being updated. The basis for this was the last comprehensive facility study that we had done. We've made some adjustments to it some put some more information and I think there was a request for the zoning information that we put in there. So we're doing a system, and we tried to make notes for where the empty buildings and things of that nature but this is definitely one of the areas that will be updated more and we'll change as we go forward as different facilities are evaluated by the facilities team. So Sean, I had a question on this. And I know. The categories came, went through the council and then the finance committee. But seeing the insured value on an empty building that we're not using so they'll do the south. We're not going to use it as a school again. We're not going to use it for public. We could sell it. So the insured value. Is probably not. I would. Yeah. It may not be as useful for that. Let me. Let me look into. If we can get that. Yeah. So it's more, it's more on the empty ones. So when I got down Hitchcock center, it looked like we might be nearer to. Because I know the piece of land that that's sitting on, you know, that even the piece of land. So we're not going to use it as a school again. We're not going to use it for public. We could sell it. So the insured value. Is probably not. I would. Yeah, it may not be as useful for that. Let me, let me look into. If we can get that. Yeah. So it's more, it's more on the empty ones. So it's more on the empty ones. I think it's interesting how that's coming on, you know, that even the piece of land. So just some sense of we have. This came up when we gave the E street school to the housing trust fund on what was the value that, what was the value of the gift to the town, you know, so even though it was not going through a market test. So if that's. And I don't want to tell a piece of public land, but if it's worth a lot, we might want to think of not leaving it empty. Okay. Yeah. And that's a good point. And one other thing I'll just mention that sort of not directly related, but. One of the things I would appreciate feedback on was one of the, the things that council asked for was information on if, if, if there's any restrictions on the building restrictions on the use of the building. And as we started to dig into that, there's a lot of different directions you can go with restrictions on the building. So we were going to focus our attention for that one, in particular on empty buildings, whether there are any restrictions on the empty buildings. And I don't know if people think that's a good idea or a bad idea, but they're there when we started to get into the details of different types of deed restrictions and whether something was bought with CPA funding or purchase with MSBA funding, there's a lot that could go into different areas here. And some of the records, I think it's going to be hard to, to find that information. Because some of it goes back quite a while. Okay. I think I saw it. Tammy's got her hand up Alex and Mandy. So tell me what. Yeah, just, you know, you have the North Amherst library under library and it should be under town. It's a town building. Yeah, Alex brought up earlier. Yeah, I can update that. I think it's meant to be like what department. I don't know if that one in particular, but it's not consistent throughout. So I. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Mandy. A couple of things. Answer Sean's question. Restrictions. I would go with the ones that might. Dictate specific uses and start with empty buildings or frankly, the one I would also include is buildings that aren't necessarily being used for town business right now. Like I think that's like the child care center or the North Amherst school, you know, things that are being rented to others, what kind of restrictions might be on those. I have a question about insured value because some of these seemed. A bit strange. For example, town hall. Just, just poked out at me as let it's insured for less than the bang center, which to me made no sense. You know, and so I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. Are these how those insured values come about? And that's not necessarily something for JCPC, but just in looking at something for the first time, I went where are some of these numbers coming from. And an importance was the other one. What. How was that decided because the libraries are enlisted as medium important instead of like high. And I seem to think. How did you decide low, medium, high, or not applicable or things like that for the importance? Yeah. So, so I didn't decide it that. I think maybe this is a section that we want to. Reconsider whether it's here or not. This, this was in that facility study. And I don't think it meant importance of. I think when it was talking about importance, it was about as like a critical piece of infrastructure for different. You know, if there was an emergency or something like that. And, you know, but I think there was a specific definition in that study that I can send to the group. But the larger question is, if it's confusing to the group, it, you know, does it belong there? Should we just pull it out? So Alex, and then I think Sonya may be responding to one of the questions or phrase and Paul sand us up too. So. Yeah, I wanted to respond to the insurance values. Those are set by the insurance company and you know how they go up a percentage every year. So. The way we buy our insurance is like a blanket. Amount like 30 million. So in its replacement value. So. It really doesn't mean anything. Because if the building, if town hall costs more, our blanket will cover that. That was going to be my question. Like if town hall goes down, are we only getting three million for it? But okay. So Paul, is it, are you, is your comment on the same topic? No, so Alex, then Paul. So kind of to Manny Joe's point. So my understanding, this is actually from the 2016 study. So in terms of conditions of buildings, right? These are, this is a five year old study. So yes. And then also I was going to echo Tammy's comment about the library being put into the town department. And I think the importance, like, I don't think it's, yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a good idea to decide if we're going to make decisions around capital based on this good, fair, poor, as opposed to low, medium, high. So, you know, if we've got five or 10 buildings that have poor, like what's the next level of then deciding? And maybe that's what the importance was for. But I think it, I think there is something to be said for having maybe like a secondary way of looking at the different buildings. And I assume condition includes. It's all of infrastructure, right? Whether it's, you know, the roof leaking versus the HVAC systems. I'm sure there's a formula for what this is. Yeah, there's a very detailed, if you, I suggest if anybody has time, they want to look at it. It was a very detailed, mathematical formula for how it was calculated. But I would ask that instead of having updated 128 21, we perhaps not have that on there because it makes it look like I understand why you have it up there, but these are actually 2016 figures. And I think it can be. In a time when we're looking at four capital improvement projects, I think having a five year old data is not helping inform the public at this point in a public document. Yep. I can try to update, make that clear. Paul. Yeah. So I just want to bring some context. So this is a giant leap forward with what we've, what our finance department has done. We've done a lot of work on this. And I think that's what Sean led, but you know, Sonya has put a ton of work into this and her team. I don't think, you know, this is, this is presenting this in this. Part of this program is new. And I think we can, you know, pick at this a lot. And it was more like, are we getting all the elements to it? To an informed capital plan into one document. And I think that's what we should be focused on. And I think each one of these, and I don't think we have the bandwidth to really dig into this and how we can get this back. It'll be refined and much more and much stronger. Our facility staff will have had it more opportunity. We have a great facilities director now. He'll have had some chance to dig in more into the buildings to really do this. He's itching to get his hands on it, but we've got him run out of vaccination set site and we've got him re re re re fitting building. So. And redoing election site. So, you know, I just, I just asked the committee to like. You know, I just wanted to make sure that work to be done at a later date. That's where I think we stay on this one. I'll just, um, I took notes in that and I agree, Paul. I was just thinking that. What we may want to do is put it into a separate document and write those words that you just said. As you know, this was beginning. It was her right. I mean, I think the rest of the world doesn't do what we started to do and say, how come this number, how, you know, we can, we can put it in a context. Yeah. All right. I will keep going and we're almost done. One last section on the vehicles. So I want to thank all the departments. Because I spent a lot of time putting this list together. There's a few odds and ends that we still got to get in here, but this has the different departments that make a model. I believe all the criteria that was asked for. And I think that's, um, the condition, how often it's used and so on. And again, this is, as Paul said, this is one of those things where. It has a lot of information and as we do it more than, you know, as we do it next year and the year after the, the consistency across departments with how things are labeled and things like that will get better and better. Um, some people for like estimated remaining useful life one, one with years and some people on the miles and things of that nature. So that'll get more consistent as we go. And that is about it. So. Okay. So there are three hands up. Um, and I'm sorry, but I didn't see the order they came up. And so I'll just start. It's, I see Peter, Alex and Mandy. So let's just do that order. Yeah. So just a couple of brief comments. If we could get at least the project list, um, that would be helpful for those of us that like to geek out on filtering and sorting and comparing and aggregating and whatnot. I mean, I know we all like to do that, but, um, that would be, that would be helpful. Um, and I just wanted to echo Paul's comment. Um, this, this is a significant leap forward from what we've seen in past years. I find this a lot more helpful than last year. Um, and I think it's, and specifically it directly responds to a lot of the feedback that we gave during our committee last year. So this wasn't just people worked really hard. They listened to, to what we asked for. Um, so that being said, I think you should expect a continued cavalcade of constructive criticism because that's what we're here for. But it certainly should not be lost. That this does represent a tremendous effort from a lot of municipal employees who are otherwise very strained during a crisis and, um, and just appreciating. Mandy. Yeah. Um, here, here comes some of the constructive criticism, but I must say when I got this today and was reading it this morning, I was just flabbergasted at how fantastic the presentation is. Um, knowing that, that you're still working on it in terms of helping me understand capital and all. Um, It was almost impossible to cross check between the capital improvement program, five year plan vehicle. Plan with this list because we're missing the numbers. Um, you know, that vehicle number 73 or whatever this, this page, I guess, I don't know whether you deleted that column or hit that column, but I couldn't go from the vehicle list on the capital improvement plan on like page 10 or wherever that is. Yeah. To this. Yeah. One thing I can do is, um, Let me see if I can add that back in. I don't know if it was consistent for every department. Um, but let me see if I can add that back in or at a minimum, I can highlight the vehicles here that are slated to be replaced. Um, cause we did make that notation in the workbook. So we can highlight those, um, which will probably be helpful. That would be very helpful because I wasn't sure which ones to actually look at. For replacement numbers. No, Alex. Um, first may culpa this truly is it's, it's really, really. A great document and, and, and, um, miles above, you know, like it makes it makes it much easier to do our job and see the information. So I do appreciate all the work. Sorry, I'm a, I'm a dive straight in and, and, and make comments kind of gal. So I apologize for that aspect of my personality. Um, so the library has a vehicle, but it's a town owned vehicle. And I know one of our future requests is for replacement of a plow. So I don't know how, if you guys, I just, I don't know whether to put it under town department or library department and maybe once the vehicle numbers or the highlights go in. So, um, I just didn't know which vehicle here was ours that we were asking for the replacement in a couple of years. Um, if I don't know, I figure nobody else knows. So I just, I just put that comment out there. Um, I don't know how you guys want to deal with it since it's technically town, but yeah, they're all technically town. I don't know. I think, I think one of the takeaways of doing this process that I think we've all talked about before as well as, um, A long-term goal is to find a better system for managing our vehicles and coding our vehicles and keeping track of all this information. So, um, so that is a long-term goal that it will help departments out a lot too. If we can have a better automated system for tracking these things. So we'll keep working on that. And then we'll go to your library vehicle question. I'll look into that. So I'm not, I'm not seeing any. Other. No, I don't see any other hands up. Um, any people either pressing their buttons. Um, I, so I want to just jump in also on how much I appreciated this, including this list. We got this list. Uh, last year in finance and just sort of. You know, it was a lot of work. But it was also a, how many vehicles we have. And are they in use and are they being driven? And I think one of the things you said, you're going to be able to do going forward. This is the first time you show us how many miles they were actually driven. So we've got, we've got the baseline of how many. So, you know, a better sense of how long the life. Does it have not just on a guesstimate life, but actually we managed to get this one to go to 100,000 miles. So we're going to be able to add that in the future. Correct. For the ones we own. Yeah. The intent is to add a, um, going forward the next time around, we would have, um, sort of a starting mileage, ending mileage columns. You can see how much it's been used. The one thing I'll just say on that is I've been working with Stephanie Chickarello. Around. Um, what she does for the green communities program. And we're thinking it might make sense next year to actually do this, you know, a little bit more detail about what she needs. People have, it might make sense to do this inventory in October. Uh, because she has to collect a lot of vehicle information for that grant program. Program in October. And what we're trying to avoid is going to department heads twice within a three month span and say, go out and, you know, do all, find all this information out for all your vehicles. Um, so I've got the list of what she needs. We could easily incorporate what she needs with what this has. Um, So that's the only caveat is next year we might actually push it up a little bit. Um, to try to. Uh, make sure, make us a people aren't doing it twice. That makes sense. Um, Andy. Yeah, I just want, uh, as we're getting to the conclusion. I wanted to, uh, thanks Sean and the entire, uh, staff for having put this together. This is a tremendous improvement having been on. I've just seen that as well. I've seen that as well. Um, I've seen that as well. Um, I've seen that as well. I've seen that as well. Um, That as well. Um, Okay. So, um, um, Um, Um, um, I would suggest putting a date on the first page for each release and updating. page for each release and updating that. And I noticed on one of the pages you did have a revision date specific. You could do that on each page as you revise it so that anybody who's looking at it knows where to go for the most recent revisions. That's a judgment call that I think you could have to make, but I really want to thank everybody who is involved in this for just tremendous effort and tremendous piece of work. Paul. So, um, so a couple of things on this, the feedback that we're getting is very valuable. So, and I think that the comments that the JCPC made last year really spurred and also having Sean to have the time to put into this really spurred this development of this document, which is really fantastic. The things we're going to need to drill it down on is sometimes mileage is an irrelevant number. It's about engine, it's about engine hours, you know, and that's how you wouldn't put mileage if they owned a boat how many miles it has put engine hours on it. So, I think there's different metrics that we'll want to incorporate into this or maybe carbon used I don't know what we want to put in. So, I think that there's a lot of things that we will want to be able to fix. I think we're going, this is going to be an incremental thing and an iterative process and but I think, you know, I appreciate what everybody said thank you for that. And, but it's also, you know, just every department had to put some fair amount of time into assembling this and now that we've got this inspires us to go to the next step and make it better so just thank you for that that push. I mean, it's a serious poll of people looked across and said I had no idea you had that many vehicles, you know, but, you know, I mean it's just, it's impressive that we put this together in one place where we can look at it. I'm just looking Mandy did you have your hand up. No, or. No, I was I was agreeing with you I looked at this and I went, wow that's a lot of vehicles like, and I actually had some comments about that when we get to some of the vehicle stuff. That was one of my reactions was, oh my gosh. And just to note that they're not all vehicles, some of them are some of them are pieces of equipment or lots and in some cases lots of them are pieces of equipment in addition to vehicles but. So I, I'm, I think we're coming to a conclusion and I just want to we do have or we did have attendees in the public and see open it up for public comments if there are any be but I want to just check with the committee that. I don't see anybody having their hand up okay so we are open for public comments, and I see one hand up, and I'm, and I, are you in control so can you bring it. Do I just click, allow to talk is that what I do. Yeah, see I don't know how to do that. I can promote to panelists does that promote the panelists okay. Yeah, it's allowed to talk and then unmute, I think. Hi, and this is Tony Cunningham, I live on Owen Drive. And firstly I too want to thank Sean and Sonya and their team for pulling this document together it's far more user friendly and informative than previous years. So thank you for that. I also want to applaud the high school students who presented their resident capital request for the solar study again this year. In 2018, Bill Cason and I submitted a resident capital request to fund an existing conditions survey for a future sidewalk on East Pleasant Street between Pine Street and Olympia Drive. It wasn't funded that year but in 2019, it was funded under the DPWs transportation plan line item. However, I understand the work has not yet begun. And as yet I don't see a line item for the construction of the East Pleasant sidewalk in a future year. The public works line item called sidewalks around town is insufficient for a new sidewalk project. So while there may be grant funding that could be sought it seems prudent to plan for an allocation of town funds within the five year plan to show North Amherst residents that the town is committed to the sidewalk project. And then separately, Andrew Rose mentioned future electric buses earlier, and I see 995,000 for a school bus in the plan for this year. Am I right in assuming that's a diesel or gasoline bus and not an electric bus because of the price. And if so, I'm wondering why is that. Thank you. Since we're not going to be responding right now we're taking notes on that. And certainly the bus question can come up and when we're going back and actually going department by department the future pending and what line items we've included in the future. Thank you for the comments. The other panelists does not have her hand up so I think I mean the attendee. So I think unless anyone has late breaking the 48 hour, something they want to bring up, I think we've finished with tonight's meeting. Am I correct. Yeah, I just wanted to check is everyone good with the schedule as presented. Yes, I have two questions. Yes, the good news is the school committee has canceled our Thursday, future Thursday meeting that I thought was going to happen on the 25th so no conflicts, at least for me in the future. Second question was with these minutes do I just emailed them to you, Kathy, or. Yeah, you can email them to capture. Yeah, and, and we'll make sure we post post them as draft if I don't get around to looking at them to post them as final just so if people, and we have everyone should know the town is getting excellent at posting the videos, we are recording these meetings so if, if it gets posted. One of the things I do can do when I finalize the minutes I can put the link up at top to the video. So if people want to go back and get more information from the actual meeting. So it makes them a fuller record. Can't always do that because we don't always have it posted yet but we, when we do we can. I'll take a, does anyone want to make a motion to adjourn. I think Alex has our hand up Alex. You're muted Alex pesky zoom. Next week the library is presenting and is scheduled for 30 minutes. We don't have any requests we have the plow that we've asked for previously in 23 and we have library it we ask for every year so. Is there something else that the committee wants to talk about that our library director be prepared for or is it safe to assume that's going to be a really quick not 30 minute conversation. Sean. I think it could be really quick because you're right there's no projects there. So it could be quick. I can imagine we can also ask some of the other questions around the library the other library buildings that came up tonight. Okay, so so there might be quite I just want to make sure that that she's prepared because we don't have a capital request. There's not a presentation really to be made because there's no so it's really just going to be questions so how much time people have how many questions people have and on the library building. So, because the capital projects are out of our purview, I specifically have said that we're not be likely talking about that so I just don't want to be misleading library director in that sense in terms of. So I just want to make sure I'm properly. Tammy and I have ever laid properly so she's prepared for any questions you might have. So I mean next Monday is is our presentation to the town council so I can't see that that we really ought to be spending a lot of time repeating what is discussed on Monday. So, so a question to the group is, do you do we want the library, since there are no library projects for my 22 I guess the questions. Do you want a library presentation we wanted to include a spot in case there was something to share or people questions but I agree since there's a library specific meeting next week. Do you have anything from of other meetings that could be moved into a slot so we can use that time more productively that's ready. Yeah, we could push. I can work with other departments and the smaller ones and see if somebody wants to move up. I mean we're happy to come I just want to make the best use of everybody's time, you know, because we don't have any requests. The only request is the it, the library portion of the it, but that's, and the plan for that what it would be discussed during the it time. Okay, so, so you can get back to them, Sean, but it makes sense to me not to try to fill a half hour if there isn't an hour worth of discussion to fill it with. We could all use the time to focus on something we do not need to talk about and then maybe some of these other discussions will be long, we can allow more time for them looking. Okay, so sorry, I didn't see your hand up Alex I had my thing over. So, now if there are any other comments. Otherwise, is there a motion to adjourn. You can just declare an adjourn so we don't have to. Then you don't have to make a motion that I'm going to declare it adjourned since I don't see any hands up this time. So thank you everyone. Thank you Sean very much.