 Friday's the spice of life. Someone did ring one time. The news was late by a couple of minutes. That's a lot, couple of minutes, but it depends. Yeah, I don't remember what it was, but you rang up and complained because they missed the bus. Oh, because they go by the theme? Yeah, they missed the bus, they go out. So we try and keep it on time. But you were not waiting on the bus? I don't know exactly how it went. That's just what they said. It could be somebody waiting on the bus now and you're late. OK. OK, that's Lee Gooch away. It'll be back with you tomorrow morning at 6.30. Let's get a news update at 9 if you're waiting on the bus. It should just be pulling in right now. And it's over to Michaela Clark. Thanks, Greg. Good morning. As meetings to discuss the draft and to go county development plan take place at all five of the county's municipal districts over the coming days, a North initial cancer has again repeated his belief that water from the Eddie Fullerton Dam should not be sent to other areas of the county that are met first. Councillor Martin McDermott says while the council wants to build up to 40 social houses in Cairndonough, they're being told it will be a number of years before the town has the water and sewage capacity to allow that to happen. He says that's an unacceptable situation and is questioning how members can have realistic discussions on the plan without the direct input of Irish water. The elephants in the room is Irish water, but they're not even in the room. We have the Eddie Fullerton Dam in Bond Grana as capacity to service all of Anishoan easily and probably all of Donegal. Yet, no. North Anishoan has been starved of that water. We're not getting that water. We're getting a stinger line and I'm sorry about being parochial in that, but I think we have to look after Anishoan first and then the rest of the county need water. That's fair enough. There are calls for revenue to change its policy in using the rent tax credit to pay off tax bills. It's emerged some renters have had their 500 euro payment withheld in order to pay off liabilities accrued as a result of the temporary wage subsidy scheme in 2020. Revenue says it can claim any credits owed to pay IYE employees if there is an outstanding bill including as a result of pandemic measures three years ago. Donegal Deputy Pierre Storhorley believes a common sense approach should be applied by revenue in respect to the rent tax credit. There is a process in relation to how underpayment of pandemic and payments that were made during the pandemic are being dealt with and the fact that now that this is interacting with the renters tax credit in a way that renters are not getting the feel for it is not in my way my view appropriate and needs to be changed. Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation says its time promises me to resolve hospital overcrowding are finally delivered. A shortage of beds and staff will be the focus of the union's annual conference in County Kerry today. Yesterday saw over 700 people in hospital trolleys, 26 of them were at Latter-Kennedy University Hospital. Last month there were over 10,000 patients including almost 300 children admitted to hospital without a bed. Iron Modes General Secretary Filney Hayes says they want action not words. The ask is fairly simple. We've been pulling out all the stops they've been through very busy years including providing services during Covid and they want real commitments that are nothing inclusive of a funding mechanism to ensure that what is promised every year is actually delivered. Weather is dry day to day with spells of hazy sunshine developing by afternoon highest temperatures of 16 or 17 degrees. That's all from Highland Radio News for now. We'll be back with news again at 10 o'clock. Until then, good morning. The County's number one talk show. The 9 till noon show with Greg Hughes on Highland Radio. Hello and a very good morning to you. It is approaching four minutes past nine on this Wednesday the third of May 2023. A very good morning to you, as I say. We're here with you for the next three hours on the 9 till noon show for this Wednesday. As I mentioned, didn't I? I did 08, 6, 60, 25, thousand. That's the number for you to WhatsApp and text. Keep us nice and busy on the phone lines today if you want to comment on what we're talking about. Raise your own issues. Let us know what's going on in your area. Feel free to use those lines there for you. And also, if you've never texted in a radio show before, let today be the first day. Everyone's views equal. Give us a call to 107491 25,000 Neve and Donna Marie taking your calls today. And of course you can connect with us across our social medias. There's no end of ways for you to be involved and to get in touch. Let's look at the news this morning and a nice story to start the morning. It's on the front of the Finn Valley voice and it's accompanied by a nice picture as well. Jason Quigley made the biggest ring walk of his life on Saturday up the Isle of the Church of Mary Immaculate Strawler for his wedding. There was style in abundance as the Balabuffet boxer got married to his long time partner, April McManus, the popular twin towns couple were joined by family and friends for a glamorous bash to toast to the new chapter of their lives. And if I play to them and we wish them along and a happy life together. The Innish Times this morning a prosecution over a major fish killed in a shone last year is due to come before the courts next month. More than 2,250 fish were killed on the Glenant Ganon river near Carr and Donna in the incident which was reported to inland fisheries Ireland on August 26th last year by a member of the public using the state agency's 24 hour hotline. The Donegal post this morning they focus on the flood relief being announced at long last again it's one of these ones great to see a progress but I'll be happy when I actually see work being done. News that Donegal town is to finally get a multimillion euro flood relief scheme has been met with huge relief but that relief is tampered with a note of caution among people who've been waiting a long time for this to happen. Cancer Noel Jordan's among those who have campaigned hard for this scheme he told the Donegal post I welcome it and I welcome the Donegal towns eventually being recognised as a high-risk flood area that is the message I've been trying to get across for a number of years but I'm also conscious that it's a very lengthy process. Cancer Jordan has a particular concern and is appealing to people not to delay the project any further than necessary in one of the concerns there of course would be any proposals being brought forward being objected to but I think that there has to be flexibility does there in planning if it is to save people's homes and businesses. I think people have a right to objective cause but do they have to be directly affected perhaps maybe before they can I don't know what do you think. The Irish Independent this morning bad news potentially as I mentioned previously during a newspaper review homeowners braced for a bump hike in ECB rates. Homeowners could be hit with a bumper European rate rise this week that will increase mortgage payments the European central banks expected to push up its lending rates by at least 0.25% points tomorrow with some economists now warning of a 0.5% point rate hike. Such a move would cost those on tracker and variable rates thousands of euro extra in repayments and push up the cost of new fixed rates for new home buyers 0.5 percentage point rise would mean an extra 390 a year for a typical tracker mortgage holder 11 years of repayments left Connell McCowill an economist with Davey Stockbrokers warned an ECB rate hike of 0.5% points was certainly possible because the fall in the core inflation figure had been marginal so worrying times potentially for those of you that might affect directly onto the Irish Times now and women and children are being left in life threatening situations because of a failure of the courts and the the court has already in Tussle to collaborate on domestic violence cases a joint department of justice and national women's council reporters found compiled by leading experts on domestic and sexual abuse the study says victims are forced to navigate three arms of the court system criminal, child welfare and family law alone while being disbelieved by on-train professionals and blamed for the abuse they've suffered can you imagine we like to go through that journey I'm sure many of you out there have lived it well this report calls for comprehensive review and reform of the in-camera rule in family courts as well as mandatory domestic violence training for relevant professionals including social workers the judiciary and court-appointed experts, authors Nula Egan senior councillor and Ellen O'Malley Dunlop of the Irish representative on the Council of Europe's Greavio committee overseeing the Istanbul Convention say guard in some regions are inexplicably reluctant to prosecute perpetrators breaching domestic abuse orders while Tussle's social workers often don't understand the trauma associated with domestic violence and obviously if you're living in that situation hopefully things are better here than they might be I'll swear don't let that discourage you from making the right decision for yourself if it affects you if you're listening this morning On to the Irish Daily Mail now and Finnegell has turned its back on rural Ireland and diluted its values according to a councillor born with a blue shirt on who's quit the party Aisling Moran whose Cantiliche family has been prominent in the party for generations resigned from Finnegell this week in frustration at what she sees as a lack of accountability for spending within the council and disillusionment with the party. Councillor Moran said she'd tried to get party headquarters involved but they didn't respond I've been involved with Finnegell all my life she told the paper however she said she had no choice but to walk away after she felt that she was dismissed by her own party's councillors when trying to look at what the council was spending money on to the point that she felt bullied. I think at the moment from a rural politician we are being completely left out anything outside of Dublin is just left out and that needs to change she said she said a number of politicians she spoke to felt the same way about a drift in the party other people that have recently departed the party in Carlo Kilkenny, John Paul Fielin he's left Finnegell starting with zero in a constituency where it once held two seats in Cork North West independent sorry intended departure of Michael Creed could leave the party without a sitting T.D. in yet another traditional Finnegell heartland in Dublin based south it was a big surprise when Old Murphy left and an even bigger one when he wasn't replaced Kerry the departure of original Leo Fave Brendan Griffin may save independent Danny Healy they speculate and lastly but not least of course Joe McHugh resigned the party in July last year it's likely to be a no show for Finnegell here well he said categorically on this programme on a number of occasions now that his mind is not going to be changed and he's not interested in Europe either I don't I would say if you look through the history books when a party is one of the parties because there's only really been two really hasn't there but when on a party is on a decline that some career politicians may see that as a good time to to step away on to the Irish Daily Star this morning and I'm sure many of you saw a sickening video of the abuse of a mum in her home in Lurgen as things happen nowadays everything's recorded and it went viral a man's been arrested after a video on social media showed sectarian abuse aim towards this mum in Lurgen the video showed an incident on April 30 in Ashleigh Crescent area of the town where two men approached the house of a single mum and began to hit the door and shout abuse it was posted on Monday and has since been widely condemned a 34 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and has since been bailed on by other inquiries a PSI spokesperson said officers investigating reported hate crime in the Ashleigh Crescent area have made an arrest and it's kind of interesting and it shows the difference between social media and that it's not governed and traditional media legacy media some people call it in that the person his face is pixeled out in the newspaper but the entire video is perfectly visible in that and social media that other people have tracked him down to other areas of his life and have posted his pictures all over the place and I say just go to show the difference between the rules that govern legacy media and the lack of rules as it relates to social media for right or wrong I'm not making a call on that also another one of the Birks before the courts a high court judge will rule today whether she should recuse herself from hearing sister Amy Birks challenge to the redaction of her claim she was unfairly dismissed by law firm Arthur Cox at the opening of the case against the workplace relations commission yesterday miss Burke applied for miss justice bulger to recuse herself on grounds including that she previously suppressed views concerning the core issues in her proceedings and that she has a particular close relationship with Arthur Cox's senior counsel in the tight-knit community of employment law it was some interesting exchanges between miss Burke and the judge in that case yesterday as there always seems to be when the Birks are before the courts well worth a read it's just interesting the Irish Daily Mirror this morning tells us that the number of patients waiting on hospital bed is out of control this is according to a union chief the Irish nurses and midwives organization revealed there were 704 people on trolleys its general secretary Phil Nehe said they we are seeing another predictable post bank holiday surge in hospital overcrowding of the five bank holidays this year we've seen out of control numbers of patients on trolleys in the days following but clearly it must be who's working and I think it is we've talked about it on this program what staff are available in the hospital over the bank holiday weekends but anyway there's a conference ongoing over the next few days the health minister is going to attend that it'll be interesting to see what kind of a reaction he gets there lastly but not at least perhaps least the sun this morning the godfather of artificial intelligence as quick google and warned the tech as warned of the tech he helped create Jeffrey Hinton he's 75 is worried that AI will eventually outsmart humans and could soon be misused by rogue states such as Russia he said in our regrets working on the systems which he fears could also replace large swathes of the world's workforce they say some 340,000 jobs could be lost artificial intelligence over the next few years and the scientist voice concern over the rapid enhancement of AI doctor Hinton said right now we're not more intelligent right now they are not more intelligent than us but I think they soon may be he warned that in the near future AI has the potential to flood the internet with false photos videos and texts leaving people unable to know what's true and that's already happening to some extent because I've seen some doctored photos that you cannot tell whether they are real or not real and this is open source also if anyone can use it and AI can literally create videos now they're not perfect at this point but from nothing a few adverts have been created using artificial intelligence where it does everything and it really is quite remarkable where it's at already we should listen to Dr. Hinton because he began work on AI in the early 1970s and joined Google in 2013 after it required his research firm he said I consult myself with the normal excuse if I hadn't done it somebody else would have he admitted it was hard to prevent some bad actor like Vladimir Putin from using AI for bad things Jeff Dean lead scientist for Google AI said risks are still being understood they simply do not know it's already capable of thinking for itself and they just don't know where that's going to go at this point and it's all logged into the internet as well anyway so as I said before we could quite literally be in seeing Terminator play out in real life good morning to Paul, Annie, Anita and Mary they're watching the show just to remind you you can do so on our YouTube channel Highland Radio Ireland you can watch the whole program Rewind if you like the subtitles there too if they're good for you we're also across our Facebook pages Highland Radio Ireland we'll be right back Pennyburn Derry why did I choose Ulster? I wanted a university who could give me the biggest possible future but also the best possible time now somewhere I could make friends and have good crack but also to set me up for the best job possible I'm planning to take up one of the study abroad options and then my big plan is to specialise in media law in LA but for now, NI has one of the lowest student living costs in the UK so night markets here I come Highland Radio time checks with Expressway travel route 32 from Leta Kennedy Dublin when you book online and travel for less Expressway bringing you the time the time is 17 past 17 minutes past 9 many of you reporting long delays going through the twin towns this morning ongoing road works there for quite some time ahead I think and obviously they have to put traffic management in place because they need to be able to work on one side of the road it is causing severe delays road works this morning says one listener were terrible I queued from Dunlewy sorry Dunwiley at 9 got to the traffic lights at Strunaller at 20 past 9 then went over Dreen and Bridge a lot of people had the same idea short queue there took me 45 minutes to get to where I was going this morning it's ok problematic alright so as we were covering on the programme yesterday and speaking to the minister with responsibility flood relief schemes for Donegal Town and Leta Kennedy and now commencing through Office of Public Works funding for three additional engineer and project management staff for Donegal County Council the funding for these schemes provides the opportunity for the OPW to pile it together with the council a new delivery model for flood relief schemes now I asked the minister straight out I said when could we see these schemes being delivered and he said that we simply don't know this is the start of a process and there's a lot of hoops to jump through before you get to a point whereby these schemes are actually put in place so how long effectively is a piece of string Councillor Noel Jordan who we heard quoted in papers a little earlier on joins me on the programme now thank you good morning to you Noel good morning to you Greg and good morning dear listeners I suppose initially we have to welcome the fact that Donegal Town has been recognised as a flood risk area and there's plenty of homeowners and business people that didn't need telling but it'll be glad to hear it's officially recognised yeah it's a welcome development certainly and more particularly for the people that have been most impacted by recent flooding for say for a number of years and as I say you outlined there when you were speaking to the minister how long would this take look at we we unconscious the fact that there was a number of schemes released in 2019 and there are only comments now some of them but we've been told by the department the reason for this is the submissions that's coming through from say on the environmental impact assessment which has starmed a lot of these projects though I have to say by speaking to our own team within the council and speaking to people in the department that they've learned a lot from this process it was new to them really from when we had serious flooding incidents in 2015 and then again in 2019 that they've learned a lot from this process and they feel that they can maybe move these projects a lot quicker now but again as I say that comes down to a lot of submissions and they are we've been told from the department that there's a lot of serial objectors out there throughout the county particularly on the environmental impact that these schemes have but what I would be origin now I'm origin the council and the team to try to move this as quickly as possible because these people have been within a long long time they love and concentrate of being flooded and you know I think that should be a priority anyway it's going to be tough not to crack I think for whoever is designing whatever project might be required to prevent some of the low lying areas of Donagall town being underwater yeah to say look at there's experts in that field and I'm sure the contractor that is appointed you know knows their job well and knows what it curtail look away I've seen some of the projects that some of them schemes that had been implemented down in the middle lands and you know they're very well done and they have caught out that risk of serious flooding to householders and to businesses you know and as welcomed in Donagall town as you know on the devastation that has caused particularly homeowners I also include business owners as well you know it's a lot to rebuild their lives and their livelihood is destroyed by just one flooding event you know it has to be a welcomed project for Donagall town you talk about serial objectors presumably you're concerned that they will gain have their views as it relates to any flood prevention works in Letter County and Donagall town I mean appealing to them is not going to work so well I would ask them I would ask them to consider this because you know as I say you know there's something that I not forget and I remember one of them storms in 2015 was in December early December and you know when you went into houses houses and seen children's toys floating around the floor and trying to save furniture and trying to put it upstairs and their life is destroyed you know on the trolls of Christmas you know these people regardless of the environmental impact if you know if you give them a choice of say flood defends walls along that river tomorrow I'm sure they'll take it rather than have their houses and their lives destroyed so you know that's what it would be appealing to you know to speed up this process you know that you know the last objects and so better you know to get these projects commenced you know better understanding than that I might have in terms of you know what is the process here this is a pilot program what does that actually mean and does that mean it speeds things up does that mean it's a trial and error yeah no well look at the war and term measures carried out say in the Dunningall town area particularly in Clarine Drive in 2015 there was a fountain allocated which was 400,000 at the time that that carried out remedial works where they put slush gates on most of the drains down there and it did to a certain extent it did do its job in the short term it's about suppose the biggest difference here is when the river over tops and then it's a runoff that creates most of the flooding but as for the actual you know the process the actual process you know there's you have design and you have your design and then of course there is the environmental impact of it and then there's your public consultation and this is quite lengthy you're looking at in the region even for say planning for instance and we're well aware of this you're looking at maybe the region of maybe 12 months, 18 months and planning alone so it's it is a long process but I feel when they say a pilot scheme they have learned a lot from the schemes that they have delivered this is what we're being told by the department you know the schemes that have been delivered so a fail that they fail they're in a position that they could you know get this roll that scheme out quicker Alright okay well fingers crossed alright thanks very much for that Councillor Noel Jordan I appreciate your time this morning have a good day you might remember Fiona Trulove was on the programme not so long ago talking about European direct central library letter Kenny now I mentioned that they had some upcoming events and to let us know and we'll announce them for them and lo and behold here we are there is a talk on Thursday the 4th of May which is tomorrow at 7pm in the Central Library letter Kenny in preparation for the National Famine Commemoration which takes place in Milford on May 21st Dr Arlene Crampsey will talk on variations on life and death in Donegal during the Famine as I mentioned it's in the Central Library letter Kenny on the 4th of May tomorrow it's a one hour talk from 7pm and as I mentioned there the topic is Donegal during the Famine admission is free and refreshments will be served if you want to book a place you can call the Central Library I'll have the number here for you it's 07491 24950 07491 249 50 we were talking yesterday about the location of the tourist office letter Kenny and signage to it call us as another excellent location for the tourist office would be St Connell it's easy to find lots of parking and beside the park or kickstart the lower main street to make it there lots of room behind those old buildings for park and lots of weekends etc would pop up around and bring lower main street back to life excellent ideas I think I'm not sure if the conversation is happening at the moment but I think that's a fine suggestion there and another listener says as it relates to flooding why are we allowing houses to be built on flood plains a lot of flood plains are created where houses were once it's like schools and houses on the side of main roads you could say well why are you building houses on the side of main roads or why have you got a national school on the side of a main road and sometimes the national school of the house was there and the road was put in past it and I think we as well as obviously you know increasing sea heights we too contribute to flooding and how we build and develop it's not just that we build and flood plains it does happen of course but sometimes we create the flood plains as well don't we by what we do further upstream or uphill for example watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highlandradio.com taste the joy and with the joy contest you can win an electric car at cherry moor kitchens and bedrooms we are now operating out of one new state-of-the-art showroom in donny galtown and we invite you to visit our new 5000 square foot donny galtown showroom to discover the 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acceleration in the last couple of years has been something else hasn't it what is the what is it well in terms of the progress the progress has been astounding i mean there's been these you'll hear the concept of large language models that's what a lot of these new ai systems are based around which are essentially just massive systems that have a vast amount of data behind them so they can create things based on the day-to-day of accumulative the level of data behind these systems is insane now in the last few years they've gone from you know terabytes of storage to hundreds of billions worth of data points and all it's an insane figure it has been progressing rapidly in the last few years the biggest change as i'm sure most people have been hearing is the term i'm sure many of your listeners are probably sick of hearing chat gpt that launched in november sort of a more accessible version of these systems kind of easier for people to just you know ask you questions it responds in a sort of conversational tone that exploded in popularity by january it had around 100 million users and that has spurred on industry to push these ai systems into all their products and services so we're seeing microsoft do that we're seeing google do that we're seeing snapchat do that and social media sites and there we have um jeffrey hinton who was seen as you said the godfather of ai some of his um his research has paved the way for these systems he's left google now because um he wants to be able to freely talk about the dangers these systems pose and we'll talk about that because i want to hear what what what those dangers are but what i what i find astonishing is how quickly it's been integrated into things you know into search engines Spotify in the united states in canada and and i thought i was predicting the future in five years time but already they have um artificially intelligence driven virtual djs effectively that will talk to you about artists and stuff you mentioned about uh the snapchat i mean this thing is far and away better than google you can converse freely with it instantaneously and it will source whatever information you want uh so well as i say just in terms of how quickly the tech companies have integrated it into what we interact with there's been astonishing for me i would say i mean it is astonishing it's also there's a bit of a sort of tech race that's developed now like in some ways chat gbt the genies out of the bottle now once one company started integrating into their services other companies had to play catch up the biggest example was microsoft they put it into bing to try get an edge over google in the search engine market um and it was very successful like you know again google's still dominant but being had a big surge google's trying to counter with that the companies are beginning to see that these systems are successful so they're all rushing now to get an edge over each other by integrating these systems like you're saying spotify is integrating in snapchat generative ai is being introduced everywhere for great benefit for users but again there is the speed that these things have been integrated is astonishing and i would say regulation is going to come in soon regulation is already on the way for somebody's systems because when something comes in so fast it's benefits to it there's also potential downsides that need to be considered yeah and and i think that the obvious job losses i say which we'll talk about in a moment will come but just even with the very early incarnations of this you'll see the the pictures it can generate uh the the fakes it can generate uh that are indiscernible from from a real image some of the adverts it's created a bit ropy ok it's struggling with hands and stuff but still what it's able to actually create from virtually zero is uh it's astonishing isn't it i mean in terms of animation and everything else like in very very short amount of time artificial intelligence is going to be doing so much creative stuff i'd say that is baiting seeing the ability to create seeing that with you know ai generate artwork and eventually ai generate video and even the likes of chat gpt being able to create things i mean you see an example there's examples where people can have whole books written by chat gpt with a simple prompt i want to write a certain type of book this many characters here's the plot points and it will create the entire thing and it's only getting smarter as time goes on i mean again when you say i would say to when it says these things stem from nothing they have vast amounts of data behind them and this is the benefit and the concern with some of these systems to focus on let's say ai generate artwork it's amazing they can generate art so quickly you know with a simple prompt artists have concerns that for one it's you know going to affect the industry but secondly there's the concern that it's stealing the styles of recognized artists if you're an artist who focuses on landscape design or very specific niche and then this model has your train has your artwork and its training data it's a tricky conversation to say if it's plagiarizing if it's copyright that's a conversation that's going to be continuing for years to come i would say and it's one that's going in these areas are all new and developing the benefits are brilliant but also you know the risks or i guess some of the concerns associated with it is also a developing field so we're going to be i don't i don't actually know how it's going to go but that's it you see and i think really what jeffrey hinton part of his decision he wanted to speak freely as well but i don't think the genie's out of the bottle i don't think a lid can be kept on it yes it's it's off the back of data but it's it's out there now and people know what to do with it and we've seen loads of technological advances and i don't want to be crude but say when the videotape its popularity was driven by pornography right you know it was the same with the dvd that's kind of the way it is and we're seeing this already with that i think in that we're seeing an awful lot of the negatives of it before we're really seeing the benefits it yes it's kind of cute that you can talk to her a pretendie friend on snapchat but we are i mean you've seen spotify already having to remove songs that have been created that sound exactly like drake completely original songs that it has written and they've sampled his voice and are able to create music you've mentioned art already so we're already seeing like it's so the development is so far ahead of us that it seems a bit silly that we're only talking about sort of regulation now there's a sad fact about this i've spoke to an expert before and he sort of had a line which is true in various areas of tech i feel and it's true in most legal aspects which is that innovation comes before regulation in the simplest terms cars came before seatbelts and then it took years of regularly of sort of discussion before seatbelts came about we realized it was essential tech moves so fast we see the benefits and we see the downsides arguably before rules and regulations come into try rain and as you said though it is out now there's no putting it back in the bottle you know ai is here to stay ai is here to be integrated into society i do believe it has various uses it's being used in many many amazing ways doing things that you know humans simply couldn't in terms of data analysis and looking at all these data points and even in terms of you know quick generation and the trick is the tricky scenario is going to be where the line is drawn because again ai art is amazing what about ai images of real people doing bad things and you can't tell the difference between you know oh was this an elected official doing something bad or was an ai image you know these are kind of risks of misinformation excuses oh great excuses as well but you see the thing about it isn't i don't want to be sort of fear mongering okay but even sort of in terms of missile defense systems or whatever you might say right say a hacker we're able to exploit this you know say i write i write a defense system to keep you out as a hacker we're two humans and it's possibly that i'm a little bit more intelligent than you or you a little bit more intelligent me but if you have a tool at your disposal it is more intelligent than probably all of us put together you know how do you defend against that and that is a serious serious concern one prediction for this is unfortunately it's true for any sort of arms race the way you counter it is with your own technology so if cybercriminal state using ai and cyber security firms and the fence firms need to also integrate ai because if you don't use it opposition will and on a smaller scale there's already examples of chat gpt and these ai systems being used by cyber criminals to easily make malware if you have very little experience that's a matter of reining in the ai system itself and you know being able to tell it you cannot disclose you know illegal information dangerous information but this all comes with time open ai who made chat gpt has admitted the idea that you know it's it's a developing system you know there are issues to be fixed but the best way to fix something would argue is true public use so by people using it they see the problems and they help make it better in the future I think that's true but also regulation has to come in it will come in in time it's just a matter of what exactly it's going to come yeah but even those developing it don't understand what it's doing at times I'm clearly it doesn't have any consciousness or thinking in the way that we know but it has developed itself and it's been instructed to do there was one example of it learning learning an entire language it hadn't been taught to do that it just believed that that was the right thing to do and we've we've also heard reports and seen where ai communicates with other sections of ai and problem solves together and lays off tasks to different areas I mean this is movie stuff and as I say this is really really early on I mean when developers don't really fully have a grasp of what it's capable of or sometimes what it's doing I would say I mean again there's always the concern of ai sentience and all this now I disagree with those type of fears personally again you know these are in the basic level they are just systems following and the thing is even with the knowledge we have now how much information is in let's say chat gpt you know it has a hundred billion terabytes of data whatever the amount is we can say this but as humans no single individual could possibly process that much data it's as simple as that so you know I don't think it's necessarily able to do things beyond its scope but the idea of it learning a new language or doing something innovative I mean I'm not surprised given the amount of data it has to access you've seen despite there's been discussions I would manage to pass like a legal bar exam and it's like well it did manage to pass an exam it has the wealth of human knowledge behind it it's not as amazing when you look at it that way it still is an amazing product some of that requires but it has to interpret the information as well you know what I mean it's not simply like google where it googles an answer it has to interpret and form the language but I take your point so finally then in terms of job losses I think it's not I mean there's a lot you can see where they could be lost because obviously this can be associated with a voice and it can respond in real time so in terms of customer services I mean even counseling for crying out loud who's to say there are some predictions as to how many human jobs this could take over in the not too distant future it's a tricky one to say there's obviously certain jobs that are a bit more human focused you know like you mentioned counseling and stuff like that I would say it's a tricky one to say if AI would be integrated but in terms of these systems ability to handle kind of lower level tasks like data management any sort of clerical work and these type of things there's good predictions that these systems will take over Goldman Sachs had a report a few months ago that predicted that if these systems live up to the hype around 300 million jobs worldwide are at risk of being lost in the next say you know 5-10 years it is a scary concern but there's also the argument that when new systems are created they end up creating new jobs that we haven't foreseen yet as well so we've seen like different industrial revolutions saw that example this is being argued as the fourth industrial revolution AI as sort of a new wave handle lower level tasks and give people the ability to sort of handle higher creative functions a bit easier that's the nice version I would say unfortunately with any new technology job losses are always a risk and Geoffrey Hinton the Godfather AI would agree it's just hard to say which sectors are most at risk all right listen it's fascinating there's a new version of this coming out in the not too distant future too and it's supposed to be just something else altogether listen Lee it's been fascinating thank you so much for your time have a lovely day that's Lee McGarran there he's a journalist with Silicon Valley 08 660 25,000 what's apps and texts do that number or give us a call on 07 4 9 1 25,000 emails to by the way comments at highland radio dot com the paving store a creative landscaping works in other Kenny have all you need to give your driveway patio or yard the wow factor with the full range of tobermore paving bricks and flags walling carbs and edging they're also the largest leading supplier of millboard decking and cladding they have the largest range of artificial grass in the northwest and a huge range of outdoor play accessories see 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at the moment and what problems does it create Ailish so this week is asthma awareness week it's also our 50th anniversary of our organization and in the run up to asthma awareness week we conducted a survey of our membership 1294 people responded and what we found was that despite 96% confirming that they've been prescribed asthma medications 45% also confirmed that they had to forego their asthma medications because of financial constraints in the last three months the asthma medications as people are prescribed are generally a controller or a preventer inhaler which is a cornerstone of asthma management it is what keeps people with asthma healthy and safe and reduces their symptoms it's what reduces the inflammation people might also be prescribed a reliever inhalers that's the inhaler that you might take if your symptoms are exacerbated if you're feeling a little bit wheezy if you're struggling to breathe you might take your reliever inhaler that will open up the airways it's only short acting medication that provides a really important relief and then there are other medications that we use alongside those such as allergy medications and so on but what we're finding is that people are just not able to take those medications and this of course has a major impact on many people's lives in terms of their daily activities lost days at work exactly so people with asthma lose or miss on average seven days of work a year and children with asthma miss on average five days of school so that really is the average so if you have a more severe asthma condition if you have asthma and allergies you suffer quite a lot from respiratory viruses which tends to happen to people with asthma you're looking at even more days of school or work lost and that impacts on your earning potential and we're really concerned about that because as part of the survey we asked people how they were doing from a financial point of view and what we learned was that almost half of those who responded to the survey said that they have been in arrears in their mortgage, their rent utility bills or loan repayments in the last 12 months so this really is impacting on the bottom line in households and I presume it's possible that you could have multiple people in the one house with asthma you know dependence as well that's absolutely right obviously there are lots of long term medicines that people have to take and this is not a counter argument by the way just to get an understanding from your perspective that people have to pay for why would you think asthma medication should be treated differently? it's not so much actually that we're as you say it's not a compare and contrast that we're doing here but we are the voice of the asthma society but asthma in Ireland and what we would say is because there are so many people actually with asthma in Ireland the disease is almost so ubiquitous so many people know somebody who has it themselves but often it can be in a mild condition a bit of a wheeze, a bit of a cough and actually it's life threatening and it's impacting very severely on people's lives and when you have that many people who are so badly impacted and now unable to take their medications then we believe that the state needs to step in when I have these types of conversations on various different matters as it relates to health I find myself coming back to the same thing again but I mean it's the elephant in the room most hospitals not least our own local hospital here some of the greatest amount of people that attend with respiratory illness now presumably if we were to at least subsidise or make this treatment free it would relieve at least some pressure of hospitals and you could probably make a strong argument that it would save more in terms of pressure on hospitals in terms of providing this medication or at least subsidising it there's no doubt about that so it is the unscheduled hospital and GP visits that are costing the state the amount of money that they are at 472 million it's estimated that asthma is costing the state every year and every four minutes somebody with asthma is attending the emergency department and they rate the fourth highest rate of hospitalisation in Europe for asthma so there is an issue here in Ireland and you're absolutely right particularly actually coming up to the end of the year from September to February where we saw in the winter months just gone by that triple threat they are the respiratory viruses that are hitting the population putting a huge strain on our hospital resources and there are two implications there for people with asthma if not more but two that I'll mention now and that is that people are either avoiding their hospital and their primary care services because they're afraid of catching something so they won't attend for their asthma or that they're attending for their asthma and ending up with a virus that will have very severe impacts on them because their lung health is already compromised so absolutely it would reduce the cost on the state if at least their medications were subsidised and of course then you know that asthma care is standardised across Ireland have you been able to cost have you been able to cost how much it would cost the state to provide this medicine we know that each individual who is being treated for asthma if they are buying the newer medications if to prescribe the newer combined inhalers they're referred to they're looking at upwards of 80 euro a month to cover just that medication and that's the case then they're just under 80 euro is the ceiling for the drug payment scheme so none of their medications therefore are subsidised now obviously if they've more than one person in the family then the additional medications will be subsidised but back to that point again if you have allergies for example your allergy medications won't be covered by the drug payment scheme at all and so those additional costs are building up and then the unscheduled visits if they're not taking your medication are going to cost money too so those with the medical cards will have free medications apart from the prescription charges but those who are earning just over the feeling for the medical card are not receiving sports at all and it's that group that we are particularly concerned about is that group actually where asthma predominates among disadvantaged communities lower income families among travellers and people living in homelessness across the board so those lower income levels those disadvantaged communities where we see higher rates of asthma okay just tell us about this webinar that's taking place tomorrow then tomorrow evening we have our online conference tomorrow evening from 7 to 8 it's on the theme of asthma care for all we will have our expert research we know through tomorrow there to answer questions but additionally we'll be featuring individual stories and experiences of people with asthma their experience of asthma treatment in Ireland, their experience of having asthma in the first instance and their experience of engaging with our services so we have free support services that are delivered by expert nurses you have a free callback service called the advice line and we also have a WhatsApp messaging service and really sister services the messaging service will provide I can send links because it's text message it's providing links and images about asthma management top tips and so on but you can download onto your phone have a look at any time you need to videos in various languages and there are scope titles for people with hearing difficulties and on to grandparents teachers as you need to so that everybody is more familiar with how to manage asthma and how to manage an asthma attack and how do people register for this webinar or how do they log on come on to our website asthma.ie and you can register there it's open to all and we'd love to see you there thank you so much indeed I really do appreciate that and I would also like to thank the CEO of the asthma society Ireland and we'll hold on to those details for that webinar here if you want to get in touch with us lots of you texting in as it relates to the traffic in Ballot Buffet obviously I think we do understand that the work is important but it is causing great disruption one listener say simply oh Greg it is a nightmare indeed and others say the traffic was awful yesterday don't know how it'll cope today as there were two schools off that are in today wow didn't know that okay two schools were off yesterday back in today right and lastly I have two children with asthma it frightens me that they could be left without medication the way bills are going and that's the sad reality of the crisis that we're in the cost of living crisis on national radio yesterday try and avoid the word crisis the cost of living situation it's not a situation it's a crisis and this country is quite literally a wash with money and we've got parents that are worried about the health of their children because of the cost of asthma medicine it's sometimes you wonder it's an unpleasant situation to sort of live amongst isn't it that we could have a situation like that with a stroke of a pen tens of thousands of families could be eliminated if this medicine was made free it's not like it's going to be exploited or there's no scam going on it literally would just be a case of signing a document that would allow this to be free so people like our last caller would not have to worry about the health of their children especially as I say especially with the amount of money that is in this country just before we head towards the news reading in the papers today that TDs and senators have been told that wooden frame homes are the way forward as Ireland battles the housing crisis they found that a timber frame home produces 8 tonnes less in emissions during construction than a regular concrete house pre-built timber frames are 6 times faster to make off-site for a new home and there's a massive room for expansion of the sector as the model is only used in 25% of new homes at the moment from the national housing agency Quilcher where before a Noroccas committee yesterday to discuss alternative methods of construction also known as modern methods of construction and I do wonder if those people who finally do get their homes rebuilt that are affected by defective concrete and perhaps have no faith in those products any longer might opt for something like this these experts say they can vastly increase the output of the timber frame model with the right assistance from government Mark Carlin managing director of Quilcher Forest said Ireland's built environment currently represents 37% of overall annual greenhouse gas emissions with 14% of this being embodied carbon that is the carbon required to construct our buildings timber products have a dual advantage over traditional building products in that they have a lower embodied carbon and a higher level of stored carbon so to say also moving in that direction for a number of reasons more away from the block who with confidence might choose blocks at the moment I don't know alright we'll be back with the next hour on the 9 till noon show after the news and obituary notices A public information day on the preferred option for Nadunov flood relief scheme will take place on Thursday the 11th of May in Meeva Family Resource Center from 4pm until 8pm this will be an opportunity for the public to view the option before it goes to the statutory planning process attendee to see if you have any questions or comments please leave a comment and we'll be back with the next episode of the statutory planning process attendees will also be able to discuss the option in person with the project team and provide feedback all are welcome and encouraged to come along anytime between 4pm and 8pm no appointment is necessary Charlie McLeafordy funeral directors serving letter Kenny and the surrounding areas for over 100 years Charlie McLeafordy funeral directors a difficult time Live on air online and on the Highland Radio app this is Highland Radio News Good morning I'm Akilah Clark with the news at 10pm Donegal County Council is being urged to keep the pressure on to ensure the flood relief schemes announced yesterday are delivered as soon as possible Minister for the OPW Patrick O'Donovan confirmed that a new pilot delivery model for flood relief schemes in letter Kenny Goldstein is to commence shortly Councillor Noel Jordan says while the announcement of the schemes are to be welcomed he is mindful that many similar initiatives have taken a number of years to come to fruition he says those directly impacted need the works to be prioritised Emergency the council and the team to try to move this as quickly as possible because these people have been with in a long long time the love and constant fear of being flooded and you know I think that should be a priority There are calls for a revenue to change its policy in using the rent tax credit to pay off tax bills It's emerged some renters have had their 500-year payment withheld in order to pay off liabilities accrued as a result of the temporary wage subsidy scheme in 2020 Revenue says it can claim any credits owed to PAYE employees if there is an outstanding bill including as a result of pandemic measures three years ago Deputy Peer Storwardy believes a common sense approach should be applied by revenue in respect to the rent tax credit There is a process in relation to how underpayment of pandemic and payments that were made during the pandemic are being dealt with and the fact that now that this is interacting with the renters tax credit in a way that renters are not getting the feel for it is not in my way my view appropriate and needs to be changed 9000 300 pupils from Ukraine are currently enrolled in schools in Donegal 833 are attending primary schools and 467 post primary Nationally over 15000 Ukrainian children are in school The Department of Education says that at the end of April 15458 Ukrainian children and teens were enrolled in schools across the country 9987 are in primary schools with 5471 and 471 in secondary education A Western Eagle councillor believes people should register on the social housing waiting list as soon as they turn 18 Councilor Michal Colm McGill Asbrook says with the lengthy waiting list facing people in need of housing the sooner a person is on the waiting list the more of a chance they stand He says young people continue to be affected by the lack of housing supply and high rents Councilor McGill Asbrook says registering is not when the need arises I would be urging people very much to get on that register as soon as possible don't leave it until you're 22 25, 27, 28 do it now because by the time you need a home and that's what I find when people come to me they're asking for forms not there and what do they have to do to get registered because that's when they feel the need is The Irish legal system is traumatising victimising those who've suffered domestic abuse A report from the Department of Justice and National Women's Council also find some victims feel belittled and as though they're to blame for the abuse The report says in some cases victims have to navigate three court processes at the same time which means they have to repeat their experiences Director of the National Women's Council Orle O'Connor says that just should not happen Ultimately our legal processes work in isolation so they work in isolation both the victim at the same time can be in the three so they're continuously having to repeat and relive the experience and also what the research has shown is that you have children who are being interviewed over and over again in terms of the different processes and that's also really damaging Whether or not a dry day to day spells appears a sunshine will develop by afternoon 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We'll be back with an update again at 11 o'clock Until then, good morning The obituary notice is for this Wednesday morning May the 3rd The death has taken place of Paul McKenna, Kinneger Road, Rathmullen and formerly Antrim, Tine and Desert Martin, County Derry Remains are opposed at his home in Rathmullen today from 12 noon until 10 o'clock Funeral masks to more morning at 11 o'clock in St. Joseph's Church, Rathmullen burial afterwards in Rathmullen Cemetery Funeral masks can be viewed on MCNMedia.tv Family time please on the morning of the funeral The death has taken place of Breach Boyle named Megetigan, 11 Linkside Park Straban and formerly of Smoky Lifford Reposing at her home Funeral leaving her home at quarter past nine for recreation masks in St. Mary's Church Melmite at 10 o'clock Fall by interment afterwards in the adjoining cemetery Family time please from 11pm until 11am The recreation masks can be viewed live on melmiteparish.com The death has occurred of sister Margaret Mary Larkin, Karen Allure, Ran, Tullamore County Offly and sister of Nazareth, Nazareth Housefond this morning at half past 11 going to St Carthage's Church Killena, Ran, County Offly arriving at approximately 6 o'clock to repose overnight Recreation masks tomorrow at 12 noon Fall by interment in St Carthage's Cemetery, Ran. 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Family flowers only please donations and leave desired to Nazareth Housepatients Comfort Fund care of any family member or Murphy Funeral Directors The death has taken place of PJ McGinty, 204 Corky, Manor, Cunningham PJ's remains will repose at his late residence today from 12 noon until 10 o'clock with rosary at 9 o'clock Punal from there to more morning at quarter past 10 going to St Clampers Church Dermal for 11 o'clock Recreation masks with interment afterwards in the adjoining cemetery House private on the morning The death has also occurred of Breed Sweeney, Ney Boil Tullymore, Ardra, County Donegal Remains reposing at her residence today from 12 noon until 10 o'clock Punal from there to more morning at half past 10 to the church of the Holy Family Ardra for 11 o'clock Recreation masks with burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery The death has also occurred of Breed Sweeney, Ney Boil Tullymore, Ardra, County Donegal for 11 o'clock Recreation masks with interment afterwards 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availability Hi Paul here from Ballardair Garden Centre join me tomorrow on the Ninetone Unshow with Greg Hughes Alright any questions for Paul give us a call on 07491 25,000 or WhatsApp 08 660 25,000 he's on with us tomorrow some of your comments coming in so far it's not just asthma medication seemingly that's causing financial hardship for people this listener says my daughter's heart medication is no longer free it's now 76 euro a month that is a huge bill that's almost it's over 900 isn't it over 900 euro a year or not far off it at the very least I have to agree with the lady on air with Gregory medication for asthma asthmatic patients they should apply to provide good quality care same applies to the care of a diabetic I saw a tweet from Fidigel yesterday talking up the 0% VAT on solar panels while people can't afford to eat no guessing who gains in these so-called incentives they say right back to traffic in the twin towns traffic management needs to do something in the twin towns 29 minutes from the bank of Arland to mcclay's corner all traffic coming over the mark road and down Ard McCool it's getting out nothing getting over the town at all you in the Lyfford side at all would that not flip this evening though as people travel in the opposite direction potentially I think it's going to be pretty nasty going back the other way in the evening from what I've heard I don't know what happened if there was an ambulance needed I'm so angry well all traffic management plans have to have a plan in place to deal with emergency vehicles hopefully that is in place and will work if needed and it will be needed another listener says the housing crisis now is now taken as normal just as the trolley crisis our youth population emigrating taking as normal it's sad they say well they feel not enough being done I'd imagine and last but not just before we take the bingo numbers when I did the leaving search we were doing essays on how we would spend all the free time now 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children are being left in life threatening situations because of a failure of the court's guardie and toosler to collaborate on domestic violent cases a joint department of justice and national authority is currently temps cancel reporters compounded by leading experts domestic and sexual abuse stay is forced to navigate three arms of the court system criminal child welfare and family law alone while being disbelieved on trained professionals and blamed for the abuse they have suffered Dr mary hainsworth is joining us on the program now to talk about this report Thank you so much for your time this morning, cover the case, you know? Yeah, for sure. I mean, does this experience as covered in this report resonate with you and what you know, or are people having different experiences depending on where they live in the country? I think there will always be some level of difference, you know. I mean, there's differences actually within the different court structures, even within Donegal. And so I can imagine that there will be differences across the country, but there are common themes and certainly for us, you know, that it is more of a systemic history than just the practicalities of the amount of domestic violence cases now coming before the courts. We were never designed to deal with this number, you know, it's completely inundated for spending and having very little time to spend with clients and not really getting the grasp of the situation. They're presenting it to a judge who's seeing, you know, numerous cases that day across a whole range of different issues. So the amount of time that's needed to actually look at these cases and make a proper risk assessment is not being done. And that's the problem because that's what's going to cause, you know, unfortunately, the extreme end of domestic violence. You have state policies and we don't want the system whereby the court is going to escalate that and cause those totalities. So there's a lot of fundamental systemic change that's needed even way before what they're recommending in that report. And it's great, you know, having all the different agencies coming together, but really the whole court structure needs to be restructured from the beginning, you know. Well, how would that be done? Because the idea that people are coming forward and seeking help, but their cases aren't actually being heard in full before the court. So therefore, obviously, decisions that are made aren't fully informed decisions. And these, as you say, can have very, very serious consequences, serious injury and death. And maybe a perpetrator might feel, you know, even more powerful if they manage to sort of get around the courts and the guard. Who knows what the consequences of that might be. So what, just picking this out, what could be done in terms of that process to make sure that we're not making these mistakes? Is it more judges, more court time, more solicitors? What? It probably needs specific, you know, violence courts, you know, in the sense that you've got people who are active, that is their focus, you know, you've got solicitors who that's all the cases that they deal with. You've got a judge that that's what they're used to listening to. And yeah, you probably do need more time because at the moment they've been put into family court hearings. It's okay for orders. The people are paying for orders. They are being heard and they are being granted. Sometimes full orders are being delayed, but you've always got the intra-moderate in place, but that's an emergency kind of a response approach. It's the other pieces, you know, around child maintenance, around child access in particular. These cases are often adjourned because there's so many cases on. So, you know, you've got trying to turn it up. They've had to make childcare arrangements. They've turned up months and months and months. And the cases are never being heard each time. And, you know, it just needs for the other party to turn up and say, oh, I don't have a piercer or a sick or something like that happens. The judge just throws the case out adjourn it next month, off we go. So, you're on the three kind of crisis management approach to managing cases within the court system. And that's not helpful for anybody. Like, sitting around the court for six, seven hours, the perpetrator, the person you're trying to get away from, it's happened the same waiting stage, you know, just across the hallway. And you've got solicitors running up and down and in between different clients, you know, trying to, everybody's trying to keep track of what's going on in the court. Like, it is a bit manic up there. And talk to us about the calls for mandatory domestic violence training for relevant professionals. You know, give us some examples, not examples, but you know, where are the gaps and how can they be filled, I wonder? I think the biggest gap is the lack of capacity to risk a test, you know, so not every domestic violence case is the same. And some are going to be high risk, some are low risk. We need to be able to work out which is the high risk. And we need to be able to offer a different approach to working with them. We do have the God, do you have the Protective Services Unit, which is part of their role. It's always been around sexual violence, but now it's taking on to do a little bit around domestic violence. In the UK, they have a model called the MARIC, where different agencies come together, and I think that might be what they're hinting at there. And then they look at the case, they rank it in terms of where they feel this is, in terms of risk, is it high, low, medium, and then they put in place the appropriate responses. So at a high risk, it's going to get, you know, a trigger, a better, not a better, but a quicker, maybe God, a response, if there's a call out there. But similarly in terms of social work, if they're working with families and it seems high risk, then their response has to be different. They can't be asking perpetrators to parents in the way that they might ask just a separated couple who are going through a separation and just looking for access to children. So it is about understanding what are the risks involved here, you know, and breaking it down and looking at the particular situations. Because when you look at any of the domestic homicide reviews that they've done in the UK around cases, the one factor that seems to be common is people falling through the gaps, you know, missing out, not getting the appropriate support that they need. And these cases are just, it's just little bit building up and building up. And then the next minute you've got a fatality there that could possibly have been prevented. And another thing that really jumped out at me, Guardi in some regions are inexplicably reluctant to prosecute perpetrators breaching domestic abuse orders, while two social workers often don't understand the drama associated with domestic violence. Let's take the first part of that first, if that's okay. That is really, really worrying if someone turns to Guardi who appeared to be for no reason, for no understandable reason, reluctant to prosecute those who breach domestic abuse orders. Yeah, and I think there's two parts to that, because I think one, in some areas, you know, they might have had a bad response, like Wendell takes the case then to the court. If the judge isn't prepared to listen to it or just chose it out, you know, you can understand why there's a response of going, well, maybe what we need to do is wait until he's breached it 10 times before we take him to court, and then we'll have a stronger case. Now, the message we are trying to get across is that that is not okay. Like, the judges need to be hearing these cases the moment an order is breached, because one breach could be fatal, you know? So this concept that it needs to be multiple breaches before it's a serious issue, that's something that we are challenging. And, you know, that's part of that training process. But it also needs to be backed up by solicitors taking it seriously, and by judges responding accordingly. We also have an issue, what do you do with perpetrators? Like, you know, we know our prisons are overrun at the moment. A lot of judges are reluctant to pass on custodial sentences. So you often find, you know, that you kind of go into a system, and at the end of the day, it doesn't feel like anything's actually changing or happening. Yeah, the other problem we have is we've both got cross over here, because we've got a lot of perpetrators of domestic abuse who are also on other charges of criminality. And so victims often get lost in that system again, because they don't know which case is coming up. They don't know whether they're a witness for this, or, you know, they hear he's up in court. So again, with that level of communication, again, back to just lack of organization, but it's due to the high demand, you know, and lack of capacity to deal with it. And we heard from a listener on the program, not so long ago, who talked of the courts, and I want to phrase this correctly, but hopefully you can correct me where I'm wrong, where courts don't properly consider or give enough weight to convictions in Northern Ireland, which might be a particular problem for people in border counties. Yeah, and I think it's how you how that information gets in, because, you know, we still, some aspects, it depends what you're going up under in terms of the court, but some aspects are still very much incident-specific, so you can't bring in information of other cases. But I mean, I know recently there was a case conference, you know, in which Tuesday we're involved, and it was only through a prolonged interaction with the court that another conviction from the north was actually brought in that nobody was aware of, you know, so like, even just even finding out the information and then having a means to bring it in is also challenging, you know, so, and perpetrators do use the court system. They know the level of chaos that's there, so they use that as a way of further abusing victims by constantly bringing them up to court. They're not sure about themselves, so they know the case won't go ahead, or using child access, you know, constantly going up and wanting to change, wanting, you know, to challenge things the whole time, just because they know it's going to inconvenience the victim is not going to cost money, you know, they have to give up the day's work, they have to find child care, none of those supports are offered through the court. Yeah, and in the multiple conversations we've had over the years, and with other people too that work with victims of domestic abuse, I thought there was a general understanding as to why someone might stay in the home for a long period of time, whether they feel threatened, whether they feel it's the right thing to do, whether they feel they won't be believed, you know, everyone gets to a point, and you would encourage them to do it as early as possible, gets to a point where enough is enough, and they try and get some help. But when they do come forward, people reported feeling belittled, stupid and guilty for staying for so long in a home with domestic and or sexual abuse taking place, that shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the realities of life if victims are being made feel like that, when they do come forward for help. It does, and I, again, I think it is part of the frustration of services because, like a lot of services don't know how to offer and don't know how to work with victims, so they're kind of a bit scared. And then when a client comes forward and maybe they don't do, or, you know, you might have said to this client before, look, you need to leave that relationship and they don't, then they call back a few months later, it's like, you can, the frustration of the worker then is kind of saying, you, but I told you to do this, you should have done it, you know, and none of that's helpful, but it is about supporting workers to understand that dynamic and understand how they can engage with victims and actually make them feel supported. The challenge for us as well though is, in terms of a child protection issue, like Tuesday will not take that approach because their priority is the safety of children, so they will come in quite hard and insist that clients leave the relationship, possibly at the time before clients are ready and able to do that. But that's, in terms of that engagement, that's kind of problematic as well, isn't it? Because there are some concerns about the early engagement of TUSLA with perpetrators before God, if you've had an opportunity to speak to them, is giving the perpetrators advanced knowledge of the case which they're using to their advantage. You know, there's a bit of a crossover there in terms of it causing problems too. I think the report was referring there to sexual violence cases and the problem with sexual violence is those cases can take a long time to progress and so obviously, you know, just put under pressure that they need to start doing their work. And yeah, I think inadvertently, not, I haven't heard of it so much in Donegal now, I have to say, but I think inadvertently, maybe down the country, that might come up as an issue in a few cases. So again, it's, you know, how do we support because God has to have specialist interviews and the way the information is gathered. And TUSLA shouldn't be doing any interviews, I don't think, with the children before perpetrators, before God has had a chance to do that, you know, and there are protocols there to follow. And so it is a case really of monitoring that a bit more and making sure it doesn't happen. Do you share the concerns that the report authors have in terms of the in-camera rule in courts, which means all family law cases are heard in private, they believe it's preventing victims, discussing their cases then with support workers and therapists and stymying qualitative research about what is happening in these cases. Are those concerns that you share? I think it doesn't seem to impact in terms of sharing with workers. And like, obviously, if you're in the court, you experience it and you share that. The problem is, there's no backup there. So often as a victim or if you're in court, you're obviously going to hear it from your perspective. And maybe you miss what else is being said. So there's no backup there. We would definitely like that advocates are allowed into the family court so that we could hear a bit more about what's actually happening and give that support to victims. But certainly with perpetrators, there's no perpetrator support in this county. There's no perpetrator program. There's no advocates. So like, victims and perpetrators who are new to the legal system have been thrown into this setup. There's only their solicitor there who's having to interpret what's going on. You add in language barriers and cultural differences into that mix as well. And a lot of people are not really following what's happening in the court system. So people are making ill informed decisions simply because they just don't know what's happening and nobody can get in there to kind of support them. And so that definitely probably does need to be looked at. I know the family law, you know, being camera rolling was there to protect victims. I think it is important that the press are not reporting on that. And because, you know, we've had a lot of incidents where clients have felt very vulnerable when they've been named within the media and say for breaches of orders, which are criminal offenses rather than family law offenses. So we do need to kind of just look at how it's managed and protect victims within all of that. Okay. Marie, finally, we have to talk about these reports. It's very important thing. But my concern is, is that it might discourage someone in a very difficult situation for seeking help because they could listen to this and go, well, my situation is bad, but I can't handle this and go through all that. So can you speak to that person if they're listening that inadvertently our conversation might stop them from escaping a dangerous situation for them and their children? Yeah, no, absolutely. And certainly in general, you do have the advantage here because we've got organizations like ourselves that will support victims through this process. So that report is highlighting many victims who have to go through this journey alone. Certainly if you're engaging with the domestic violence service, you don't have to do that journey on your own. You will have an advocate, you'll have somebody doing court compliments, and you will have somebody losing with to find out what's happening. So it isn't quite the same situation here. It is a chaotic setup of the courts. I mean, no excuse for that, but we do have our own support network up in the court, and we do actually have a victim support room, which is downstairs. So you don't have to wait in the same foyer area as the perpetrator. And you will have one of our workers up there who is available to kind of find out information. So we are very lucky and there is a new court in Leatherkenny. So we do have a better structure and infrastructure there that maybe they don't have in other parts of the country. Remember, this is a nationwide report, so it is picking up on some of the counters with no supports at all. And so I think that, yeah, that is definitely important. And to just, you know, phone, use the helpline to run by the case and to see what you're prepared to go through yourself. It is stressful. It's not easy, but it's a journey you can come through. How do people contact your Donegal Domestic Violence Services? Well, the helpline number is there, 1800 262677. But we've also got our Facebook page and WhatsApp. I will leave you the mobile number that you could maybe give out to people or if anybody contacts you for this afterwards. And you can WhatsApp them messages in Texas. Our email is dddsrefugee.com. We'll retain all that information here, of course, because people know our number hopefully off the top of their head. Thank you very much, Dr. Marie Haines, worth there. There are also other supports for you as well. Women's Aid is a 24-hour free helpline, 1-800-341-900. You can email them to helplineatwomensaid.ie or mensaidarland, a confidential helpline 015543811 or email hello at mensaid.ie for support and information. But as I say, we have supports here in this county, this region, and different court settables. You heard Dr. Haines, worth mentioning there. So please, as we try and highlight what needs to be improved on a national scale, do not allow yourself to be discouraged from getting out of a dangerous or troublesome situation. On Facebook, a listener says, domestic abuse comes in many forms. It can affect spouse, children, and can be done in such a way where the abuser uses covert tactics, putting on the perfect front to everyone else whilst manipulating, deceiving, and abusing victims. Perpetrators must be exposed and prosecuted, they say, otherwise families are torn apart by these vile monsters. It's the right price tiles and wood flooring biggest ever sale, up to 50% of everything in store. All tiles, all wood flooring, all outdoor slabs, cladding, and bathware, everything slashed in price. This sale is not to be missed. Right price tiles and wood flooring biggest ever half price sale extended until Sunday. Brian Murray from Fair City here. I'm one of the 64,000 people living with dementia in Ireland. Alzheimer's T-day takes place Thursday May the 4th. Register today at tday.ie. Okay, right, we're joined on the programme now by Councillor Martin McDermott. Good morning to you, Councillor. Good morning, Greg. I suppose you find yourself in, it's an unfortunate position as an author in a show on Councillor, whereby you kind of happen to be pretty pro-cool about a resource for the rest of the county, and that is water, water from the Eddie Fodderton dam. You have your, as I say, because of decisions that are being made, it's an unfortunate conversation to have to say, look at we don't mind this water being sent to other parts of the county, but for crying out loud, the peninsula needs its needs met first. Absolutely. I think, you know, look, we have a situation here in North Anishone in particular, where development in Cairndona, for instance, Irish water are writing out to a particular development that's happening in the town. I had to say that there's insufficient water capacity for the development, and that it will be two to three years at best before they would have the capacity for those houses. And I think, you know, it is absolutely scandalous that Irish water would be telling a developer in a town that needs houses in an area that needs houses, that their infrastructure is not at a capacity where it can, you know, give them homes water. And we have a resource here, you know, a massive resource in the Eddie Fodderton dam, with massive amounts of water that has been pumped to other parts of the county. Well, talk to me about that, talk to me about, so where is this dam located? Because we always presume everybody knows precisely where the Eddie Fodderton dam is, so where is it located currently? Not currently, where is it always located? In the Elise. In the Elise. Okay, so where currently is water being taken from it to where? Sorry. Well, it's been taken to Lettercanny, for instance, there was a main line put on from an bridge end, taken up on to Lettercanny, where water has been taken to facilitate. And I have no problem with that, absolutely no problem at all, that, you know, a resource like that can facilitate the county. But what I do have an issue with is that a certain part of any shown in particular, you know, the Kilmanny, Orris, Mallonhead areas who are constantly, constantly in need of water. The Cairndon area now, again, development being not been given the go ahead by Irish Water because there's not a capacity. And we have that resource within our own peninsula, you know, 15 mile up the road from Cairndonna is the Elise. And we have that resource. And Irish Water don't see fit to make sure that that resource has the capabilities of looking after at least shown first when while they are pumping water to other parts. And as I said, I have no problem with the water going, but I think that first of all, our own peninsula has to be serviced. Their own peninsula has to get the capabilities of building houses. And if that's not happening, I think a real, real serious question has to be asked of Irish Water. It does. And it was a question that was asked when it was proposed to take the water from the Eddie Fullerton down to letter Kenny, this is not something that just happened. I've had numerous conversations about it. You know, we talk about the housing crisis and the need for housing. We talk about the cost of materials. We talk about the cost of, you know, all those things, the lack of skills, you know, in other words, that we're short and workers and everything. It's inexcusable. I think it's completely inexcusable that infrastructure is holding the development of 40 social houses in Cairndonna. When you've got an abundant water supply so close that really the actual housing crisis in Cairndonna is that they won't pump water to it. It's not about the price of bricks and everything else. And we know all of that. That's crazy. Yeah, absolutely. And this development is a private development actually that's happening in Cairndonna. And there's proposals for a number of social housing developments in Cairndonna. And the possibility of all their developments in Cairndonna. And this is not just Cairndonna. This is the same issue that we're going to have for any developments in Clonmane, any developments in Orris, any developments in Mallonhead. It's the same issue that we're going to come up against. And I think, you know, our water has to step up to the market and they have to put on a new line. They did put on a stinger line going back. And we would have been on with you about a year and a half ago when we had an issue every summer, where the reservoirs wouldn't, well, having the capability to look after and service this whole North Anishone area. And they brought a stinger line from Allys to Cairndonna to help with that. But it was only just a temporary line. There needs to come a full new line from the early Eddie Fullerton Dam to Cairndonna to the reservoirs so that we have full capacity of water constantly 365 days a year. And I think that, you know, to be fair, I don't think we're asking for too much. And nowadays to have the availability of water on a permanent basis because, you know, go to Orris, go to Clonmane, go to Mallonhead, those areas in particular who constantly, constantly, every day have issues with their water. And, you know, that's totally unfair. What are Irish water saying? Or what is the council saying when you make these representations? I know they can be hard to sort of pin down. Are there any plans? Are they listening? Yeah, well, I suppose just came up, Greg, last Monday when we were doing the development plan and we're now in the process of doing a new development plan for the county. And part of that development plan is looking at towns and villages and how the land can be built on and how we can, you know, bring more people into rural areas and all that type of stuff. And as I said at the meeting, you know, how can we talk about a development plan when we don't have the infrastructure in the towns and villages to accommodate extra housing? So we have to get our ducks in a row first and, you know, I suppose Irish water weren't in the room with them conversations and the question has to be asked, you know, they need to be in the room while we're having these conversations. What I think a critical question is, if you don't mind me saying, I mean, you know, you could say the national development plans are really about moving us all into urban areas. Okay, we know of the massive expectation in terms of population growth in letter Kenny, they expected to boom, they're going to actively encourage to do so. There's a big 2040 plan with all that in mind. The question really, for me, is how much of its water needs, which are going to increase drastically, are they planning to meet with the Eddie Fullerton dam? In other words, how much of its capacity, and it's not finite, how much of its capacity is going, is planned to be used for this massive expansion of letter Kenny? And if it's a great deal of it, well, then Karen Dunna and other parts of in the show are on the hind teeth. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why it's done. I said that to the executive of the council that we need an urgent meeting with Irish water to discuss before we do anything on a development plan, we need to sit with Irish water and see what their plans are and how are they going to work. The fact that areas here at the minute doesn't have the capabilities of building houses. They need to come up with their plan first before we can come up with a plan to facilitate houses in any part of North and the show that the minute so that's the executive of the council are doing that at the minute. They are on Irish water. I did have conversations with Irish water as well. I had a call from senior executive and Irish water from Dublin about this and he told me that unless there is more financial, they get more money put into them and put to these projects that they can't they can't do these projects. So, you know, there's a fight in our hands here. And I think we have to take this on because if we don't, we are going to be in a position here where we're going to have development sitting on hold because of the infrastructure not being there. And that money and those priorities eventually go elsewhere. You know, I mean, I'm not because one particular developer was mentioned, a private one, I referenced it as social housing. My apologies on that. But you know, I'm not talking about that, but wherever it might be eventually, people aren't going to sit on planning permission or sit on a project for tying money up in it for years and years and years on end. This has to be sorted as soon as possible, I'd imagine. You know, we can't we can't have that either, Greg. You know, people are, you know, have a lot of work done to get to the stage where they're even going for planning permission and a lot of money spent at the stage where they're even going for planning permission. And to be told then, you know, when you go for a water connection that the capability is not there for water for these houses, you know, it's too late at that stage for developers. They've already invested large amounts of money at that stage. And the other flip of the coin is we need we need those houses, we need accommodation, we need extra houses built. And, you know, we can't, as again, have a situation where this has been stalled because of lack of investment by Irish water. All right. Okay, take care of yourself. Thank you very much indeed. Councillor Martyn with Dartmouth. Any views on that? 08 660 25000 or WhatsApp, that number. We'll call 07491 25000. Hi, Paul here from Balladare Garden Centre. Join me tomorrow on the 9 to 9 show with Greg Hughes. I've been surfing all morning at FlemmingLTD.com to find out about Flemming doors, Flemming steel and Flemming coatings and their full range of products. So come surfing with me at FlemmingLTD.com. Flemming 9148 234. Shop LK, a Brian McCormick sports and leisure Main Street letter canny, new fresh colors in women's sportswear from Nike and Under Armour. Get that new look with some bright colors. Quarter zips with t-shirts and fitness bottoms. Match it up with some new arrivals in our footwear for women, brooks, hoca and on running gives you a unique comfort sensation. 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The Woman of Honor group has said it is disappointed that the government has moved to design draft terms of reference for a statutory inquiry before consulting the group or other victims. It comes after the group met Tarnisher and Minister of Defence, Mee-Hul Martin. He also held meetings with the Defence Women's Network, the Representative Association, the Men and Women of Honor Group, the Veteran Association and with Civil and Civilian Employee Unions. Yvonne O'Rourke is a member of the Women of Honor and a retired Air Corps officer as well. Thank you for joining us Yvonne this morning. Greg, can I say on behalf of Women of Honor, thank you very much for having us on the show. Thank you. No, it's hugely important. Okay. So where did the disappointment come from in your own words, Yvonne? Absolutely, Greg. So in the words of the Women of Honor, it was our hope yesterday that we'd go into that meeting and that we would earn things out of the Tarnisher regarding the terms of reference. And we always thought that maybe there might be workshops or something like prior to actually going in and being presented with a draft version of them. So this was actually provided to us without any consultation. And we have said all along that we need collaboration and we need to kind of constructively work together. And it was always one of our fears, Greg, that we just needed to be part of kind of drafting them together. In relation to what had gone before us, we had this independent review group. It was called the IRG group. And a report came out in relation to that, which we have always said that the terms of reference of that independent review group that we fell from the Katie Hannon documentary on Women of Honor and others coming out and saying about the different things that were going on within the defense board. We had always said that the terms of reference of that particular independent review group were too narrow. And the recommendations that came out of that then we also felt were too narrow. So now we have a statutory inquiry, which we now know it's going to be a public tribunal statutory inquiry, but it's based on what has come out of there. So our, I suppose, maybe disappointment yesterday kind of sent around the fact that we were presented with a draft terms of reference and that we weren't collaborated with or kind of maybe part of maybe drafting them in the first place. Yeah. And to feel a sense of ownership and to feel that there's good faith there, it makes no sense to me as to why there wasn't consultation on the terms of reference in advance, right at the beginning of the process. That's when you want to get it right and you want those that you are, you want people like, you know, the members of Women of Honor to feel like they are part of this process. Absolutely, Greg. And that has always been an issue for us. Unfortunately, like every, like people in our group have been true different things in the past. So for us, there's a huge trust issue. So we have always said, and we've said this to the Tonnister, we have said this to Simon Covey, we said this to everyone who we have spoken to, that we have to build trust with you. We need truth. We need transparency. We need trust. All we want is for the truth to come out and for the people of Ireland and for the Irish Defense Forces to finally get the truth. So we need them to build our trust. Once we can build trust with them, once we can know from them that what we're doing and we're happy with the process, then we can come out and support whatever they advise us with. But at the moment, the trust is not there. So in a way, in a way, is this the feels like, to some extent, a continuation of institutional abuse then? In that this? Greg, you've hit the nail on the head. You've hit the nail absolutely on the head. Like we are happy to be part of the solution. We have always said that. But we need to be heard and we need them to sit down in the room with us and to actually talk to us. We don't need to walk in. I mean, we walked in with Minister Colesney there on one particular meeting, and we were provided with the terms of reference. So this has happened to us before, and we just don't want that to happen with us again. Right. We need, yes. So we were taken as a, we're taken it as a first step. So we have been provided with the draft terms of reference. We're taken that as a first step. We can take that back now. We can review them. We can, and punish the headsets to us that we can provide submissions in relation to that. So that's what we're going to do. I mean, we're still in this for the long haul. We know this is a marathon that we're running here, but we want to get it right. We have to get it right because we've just invested too much time personally, professionally and every other way in this not to have public tribunals done right. We need it done right. Okay. I don't expect you to, you know, review the terms of reference on there. But are there obvious gaps that you've found so far that we can talk of in terms of how it needs to be broadened out? Like what are the key concerns you might have if this were to progress under the current terms of reference? Well, you're right, Greg. And because it's a working document, we wouldn't be allowed to speak about it anyway. But we can say that the terms of reference presented to us yesterday, they were very short and concise. And from our view, they kind of appear to be centered around the complaint system and policies and procedures. Which needs to be done. But we have all always said that it has to be broader than this. We have always said that we need a route to branch investigation to dig out exactly what was happening in the defence forces. Who knew what went wrong? How can we fix it? And for us, the terms of reference appear to be centered now kind of around the complaint system, policies and procedures. But we need more than that. We need accountability now. We need people. We need the actual terms of reference to say that people will be held accountable, that people will be named. And like it is going to be a fact-finding process. But we need people to be named. For some people to be vindicated, for some people to be prosecuted, we need all of this to follow through. And for us, it just seems to be narrow at the moment. And it doesn't seem to be. We don't see accountability in it at the moment. Yeah. And there's no, well, I'm going to say there's no point. Do we even need a statutory inquiry? If really what the findings are is that a particular role should have had oversight over that role. And there was institutional this, that and the other. You know that sort of a way. It really needs to be about this person didn't do because of that person and so on and so forth. But are you afraid, would you not be afraid that they might be afraid of opening a can of worms and they'll start talking about, you know, people being retired, historical, people have passed away and muddy the water to the point that no one is actually really held accountable. And we've seen this in other inquiries as well, both within and outside of this country. Yes. And Greg, we're aware that like, we know whatever does be followed from this, that not everyone, as you say, people may have died, you know, they may no longer be held accountable. We were aware that not everyone is going to be, I suppose, held accountable for what has gone on in the past. But we are all about, we desperately want accountability. And we want the accountability in our women of honor view that equals a deterrent. So we're all about prevention of this happening in the future. So for us, it's about accountability, being a deterrent and that this will not happen. We've always said the reason we come out at Greg in the first place to speak. It was about people currently in there and about this not happening to those left behind. I mean, obviously it's been very hard for us to come out and say what we've said. It hasn't been easy. We are so grateful to the Irish public for getting behind us. We cannot thank them enough. But we do need to ensure that the current members and the members that are behind us, that they will not enjoy what we've endured, both men and women in them. That's why we're speaking. And we hear you there and how in relation to what you've said, we know not everyone will be held accountable. But we do think that some can be and that they should be so that it can be a deterrent going forward. Yeah. And Yvonne, finally, what is the process now? You had the meeting with the tarnished. Did he hear you? Do you feel that he heard you? And these concerns will be addressed? Or how would you gauge that? We said that we had a long conversation with the tarnished yesterday. We spoke our troops to him. We hope he heard and we hope he listened. Look, in the past I've come out and I've said, you know, we had a brilliant meeting and I really felt heard. But it's hard to really know. We're all about action. So we have told the tarnished that our concerns and we verbalized them very clear yesterday. And I suppose I would love to say that we were hard. It will come down to the action. We have said now that what we need is a public tribunal. We need, this is what we need. And we do need the terms of reference. We do need him to collaborate with us. We do need them to be constructed. We need to have constructive dialogue in relation to getting this right. So I suppose to be honest with you, Greg, the truth and whether I can answer that question, I suppose I'm waiting to see what action will he come out and will he act on what we do yesterday. I mean, this is another one of those issues too that, you know, if we had some mechanism, a cross-party mechanism or something that these types of issues are taken out of election cycles, if you know what I mean, in that you could get all the commitments in the world from the tarnished and he can nod and what have you, right? But if we have a snap election and a completely different set of people are in there, we could be a square one. And it's not just this issue, this issue. It's many issues have on that just almost if they were dealt with outside of people affected by an election cycle. However, we might do that. I don't know. But this is going to be a long-term issue. And, you know, I don't want any momentum that you've gained to feel lost if there was a changing of the guard, so to speak. But anyway, that's a bigger conversation. Well, Greg, can I just say a huge thanks to you for having a Sunday? Can I say a huge thanks to the Irish public? I mean, we really do want the truth. And that's what we're persistent. We're trying to go forward to get that out. And, you know, the truth was set us all free and that's what we want for the whole of Ireland. Many people listening whose young men and women in their family might be choosing this career and they'd be going into a better institution, hopefully as a result of all of this. So it does the ripples go far. Yvonne, thanks for your time this morning. It's been nice speaking to you. And thank you so much for having us on, Greg. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye-bye. That's Yvonne O'Rourke, member of Women of Honor, retired Air Corps officer following on from their meeting yesterday with the Tarnisher and Minister for Defense, Meehole Martin. And don't understand why they weren't part of the drafting of the terms of reference for a statutory inquiry. I think sometimes these institutions make problems for themselves. Surely you want the people, but maybe you can say there's a kind of worms there that people don't want opened. Do you watch? We don't really make quiz shows in this country, do we? I mean, the last quiz show I can really recall of any consequence was the late great Gay Burn and his version of the late, late show. I don't recall watching it that much, but it felt like it was a quiz show that we produced. And you know, quiz shows are the stable of daytime television elsewhere. Claire Byrne though, when I haven't seen it, she's a new quiz show that's out, but unfortunately not very popular. And this is not perhaps great news for the person who might be taking over the helm at the late, late show. Claire Byrne's new quiz show has hemorrhaged viewers since it aired. More than 150,000 of you have turned out since the series began. Ireland's smartest was heralded as her return to TV mid-speculation. As I mentioned, she's to take over the late, late show. Well, the RTE one program started off strong last month with an average of 356 and a half thousand people watching the first episode, not bad, not bad. But the star's numbers have dipped each week with the latest ratings for the Sunday night, revealing an average of 188, 198,000 tuning in. A channel spokesperson said Sunday evening, Ireland's smartest had an average audience of almost 200,000 on RTE one, including RTE one plus one and 21% of the available audience. Meanwhile, Angela Scanlon's Ask Me Anything drew in an average audience of 231,000. That's an increase of 12,000 from the previous weekend in one week during the season. The UK-based presenter lost almost 60,000 viewers last month. Her first episode on April 15th had an average audience of 250,000 live, while her second episode on April 22nd dropped to by 62,000 viewers with an average audience of 188,000. An RTE spokesperson said Angela Scanlon's Ask Me Anything on April 29th had an average audience of 231,000. Anyway, Ryan Toberty's final few weeks in the late, late show have been revealed. His Friday night offering drew an average of 386,000 compared to an average of 374,000 on Friday, April 21st. People don't really watch live TV anymore, do you? In a population of in excess of across the whole island, heading towards 7 million, the late, late show only pulling in 386,000 viewers. It's pretty poor, isn't it? Really, when you think about it, and that's the top show. But her quiz show, 198,000 tuning in from a peak of 356,500. So it doesn't bode well, does it? What did you watch it? What do you think? I haven't seen it. 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Repack, team green, reimagine. Okay, four young people in Northern Ireland experience the death of a parent every day. This has led to a partnership between undertakers Adair and Neely Funode Partners, NI, and the Grief Charity Cruise Briefment Support, NI, to develop videos and resources aimed at supporting young people navigate the loss of a loved one. The project received assistance from the National Lottery Community Fund. The Teenage Youth Briefment Project is a video support resource created by members of Cruise Briefment Supports Youth Advisory Group somewhere for us. We're joined on the program now by Beverly Brown, Marketing Manager with Funeral Partners, NI. Good morning to you. Thank you so much for joining us. Morning, Greg. It's good to have you with us. Also, Megan McClurg, who is a Cruise Briefment Volunteer, who joined the Cruise Somewhere for Us Youth Advisory Group in October 2021. Good morning, Megan. Hi, Greg. Megan, you wanted to get involved in this, didn't you? And was it primarily or solely because of your own personal experience? Yeah, absolutely. I experienced a lot of bereavement from the ages of 13 to 18, and they were really formative years for me. And I felt like I had no support whatsoever in school, in the community, even my friends and family didn't really know how to support a young person. So, definitely, a lot of my own experience encouraged me to get involved in this project. Now, what was the most difficult element of that? I mean, obviously the loss is the most difficult thing, and it's trying to deal with that. But I mean, it's particularly difficult, I'd say, as a younger person, because you haven't really, I don't know, there's a natural inverted commas process that these things generally come to us a little bit later in life, or what was the most difficult thing for you? I think one of the most difficult things for me was just trying to navigate life as a young person. You're trying to figure out what you want to do, where you want to go in life. You've got friendship drama, and you're learning about long division and history, but then you're also dealing with this massive internal battle that nobody knows about. And it really forced me to grow up quickly. So, I do feel like I never really got to fully experience my young years as a young person, because my head, and you know, I'd already experienced the worst thing that could possibly happen, and my head was just elsewhere a lot of the time. So, yeah, I think the hardest part for me was just having that switch and having to grow up really quickly. Yeah, and I suppose the better you were able to process and deal with things that the less of the impact it might have on you as you mature, because we do know things that happen to us can stay with us and affect our lives as we move forward. Yeah, definitely. That's so true. Yep. And it's difficult, is it for you to talk to young people at the most difficult times of their young lives? Not anymore, because I've been there and I've experienced it, and you know, I can connect with them on that level, but I can't imagine if you've never gone through that, it would be so difficult to try and have a conversation with a young person about bereavement. Yeah, and obviously we can't go through the process now, but what are your, what are the key ways that you can help young people, if you know what I mean, because you're speaking to them probably just right at the very start where the grief is so strong? Yeah, I think you shouldn't be afraid to ask them how they're doing. You know, they're probably doing horribly, they're really struggling, they're in a lot of emotional pain and by you asking that, you know, you're not going to cause them any more pain. They're already in the most pain they could ever possibly experience. So by just being there for them, being supportive, checking up on them, you know, just being patient with them and letting them deal with it in their own way and not, you know, sort of putting them in this box, you have to feel this way in a certain amount of time, you know, it's such a long process and just being there for them beside them. And I think that kind of professional and knowledgeable support is good for them, but I think also good for the people around them because, you know, if it is someone close to you or a friend at school or whatever, you're not told yourself maybe to do the right thing or to say the right thing or not to put your foot in it. It's a difficult time for the people around those that are briefed as well. Yeah, definitely, you know, it's such a sticky situation because you don't want to upset them further and you don't really know how to act around them. But if you just be yourself and treat them how you always treated them and just be there for them, that's all you can do is just walk alongside them in their grief journey. Yeah, and your parent or parents too, in your experience, they're dealing with their own grief and then trying to manage your grief as well. It's an awful lot for anyone to try and, you know, to spit all those emotions and feelings up, isn't it? Because we're all only human. Yeah, definitely. And I think that was really hard as well, you know, going through a bereavement at a young age that also affects your entire family and your parents. And you're seeing your parents in a way you've never seen them before and you don't want to ask for the help and support because they are in such an emotional state, you know, and I do feel like young people slip through the cracks and they can butt let all up and they keep it to themselves because they don't want to cause any further upset, but they need the support just as much as everybody else, if not more at times. Yeah, because I think when I was much younger and when my father's mother passed away, like I was, I think I was more concerned with how it was affecting him, if you know what I mean. And like I was worried, my loss, because I didn't have a very close relationship with her because of distance and things, but my grief was what he was going through, if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. And you're sort of graving this image you have of your own parents as these strong, you know, carers that always look after you and then you see them as such a vulnerable position. And that really changes your mindset. And I think that's why it made me grow up so quickly. And, you know, it has such a long lasting effect. And I think that's really why we need to be meeting young people in the earliest days of their grief to show them that they are allowed to support as well. And it's just such a, you know, such a huge experience there's so many angles to cover. And it's important that we're there from the offset. Yeah, because we are great in terms of community and friends and families and coming together. But I know from myself, with the best will in the world, there comes a time where everyone has to get back to their own lives as well. And you're, you know, you're not left there. But you know, you have to deal with it, you know, the visitors stop. And you just have to stop processing it and deal with what's happened. As I mentioned, Beverly Brown is marketing manager with Funeral Partners and I and is with us as well. Beverly, listen, thank you so much. As I said earlier on for joining us. So talk to me about how this came to be and what triggered it and how we got to where we are. So the team at Adair and Naly Gregg would quite often be faced with brave families who have young people as part of their facing brave themselves. And we've been looking for some material for a while to support young people and just really tools to help with the conversation. But we've struggled to find what we're we're looking for. So we thought we would would be good to be able to create some material ourselves. But we didn't have the resource available to do that. And I've had quite a long standing relationship with crews in Northern Ireland. So thankfully they were willing to come on board. And I got to work over a period of timeless amazing grip of young people who really willingly shared their own personal experiences and hope that they would help some of their young people out there who might find themselves in similar circumstances. Yeah, there's different ways to be briefed, of course, for young people who could be a friend, it could be a brother or sister, could be a parent and maybe, I mean, obviously the basics are the same. The loss is the same. But it affects people in different ways, doesn't it? Yeah. And I think that was something I really learned. I mean, I have been around funerals since I was a child. We had our own family funeral business. And that's something I've really learned from lessons of young people, how individual everybody's grief journey is. And there's no right or wrong way to fail on day one or day a hundred. Your journey is your journey and it's individual to you. And it was really important for us that we, as part of this project, had young people talking to young people about how they might be failing and not adults talking to them about how they should be failing. Yeah, indeed. And also to Megan, obviously there's the initial loss that people have to deal with. But everyone knows who's lost anyone that they cared deeply for. Then there's triggers that you have to deal with, isn't it? And it seems like there's two a month. It's a birthday or an anniversary or it's someone else's communion or it's a wedding or it's Christmas. Or it's, you know, you have to tool yourself as best you can, don't you, to be able to deal with these events that once you have been bereaved seem to come around every other day. Yeah, definitely. You're constantly having to adjust to this new life. And you know, 10, 20 years down the line, you're still triggered by things, songs, places, smells, memories. And that's why we want to get the message across to young people that this is a lifelong journey. And it does get easier with time and your grief gets smaller and you grow around your grief, but it will always be with you. And that sounds kind of scary. But when you think about it, if your grief is just an extension of how much you love someone, you wouldn't want that to go away because that's the feelings you have for that person. So it's trying to normalise grief. And one of the videos we do actually is how to cope around birthdays and anniversaries. So hopefully a young person can watch that and understand that whilst it may be hard, you can still go to the grave, you can still have a cake, you could still have a party for the person, you know, you don't have to pretend like they're not there. Yeah. And the little things like people forgetting what someone's voice sounded like and feeling guilty for getting it, you know, that can drag someone into a a sad place for weeks or two. And also, Megan, is there a particular focus or should there be a particular focus, I think, on young people who are bereaved or lose a friend by suicide? I think that's particularly challenging to deal with, particularly with how we deal with it and often on social media, the reaction to it. And we do know also that those types of events can sort of trigger other events in a community. Is that an area that we have to be particularly conscious of in in in bereavement supports? Yeah, I think so. It does. It does seem like a really sort of prominent issue at the moment. And social media does highlight that and you see it quite a lot. So that is something that, yeah, definitely needs to be focused on as well. All right, Beverly, how do people access these resources? So they can find them on our website, www.adairnillyfinaldirectors.com. And there's a link, the logos on the homepage, and they just click that logo. And why did it feel so important to know you kind of touched on this, but why did you feel it's so important to sort of get involved in this area, Beverly? Well, I think as a business, we have a responsibility to support bereaved people. But not only that, for me, it just felt an important thing to do, at least if nothing else, this is the start of the conversation. And my boss, who I hope won't mind that, who spoke at our launch event, he was telling me when his dad died, when he was 15. And it struck me that nothing really seemed to have changed in support available for young people. And Gillian is not a teenager. So it was quite okay to go. So, you know, it's just, for me, it was partial for him. And it was partial for me that I felt the responsibility to say at least start a conversation around supporting material for young bereaved people. Yeah, and Megan, a listener says, my nephew lost his dad. It's been about a year now. He doesn't mention him. I've asked him flat out how he's doing. And he says he's fine. And I don't know what to do. Maybe point him in the direction of these types of resources. But that, we're talking about, I suppose, people who want to engage. But then if you're around someone who you're wandering in the buttoning atop, what's, you know, are they sort of delaying an emotion? Like, what, have you any particular advice as to what that person might do? Maybe that is how maybe the nephew is fine. Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's important to always talk about the person, you know, if they're not willing to directly engage in relation to the grief, you could maybe ask some questions like, what was your favorite memory of that person? Or, you know, when you think about them, how do you feel? And it's just trying to find funny creative ways to talk about the person. And yes, people do bottle it up and maybe they don't want to talk about it, but it's important to keep sort of drip feeding the conversation and, you know, showing them that you're still there. And I think it's good that we have the videos because if people don't want to engage in the conversation, they can go home themselves and they have it on their phone and they can watch it in private, but they're still getting the support and they don't need to directly ask for it. My child's classmate lost a parent. My child wants to be there for her friend, and we often have this friend over, but she isn't keeping well. Would it be distrustful for me to talk to her other parent? I'm not sure if that's something you'd feel comfortable commenting on, Megan, but it's in the child's best interest. Parents talking, if it's done in the right way, there's no harm in that. I don't think we should be over fearful of stepping on people's toes. No, definitely not. And there's such a taboo around grief and bereavement, but we need to be having the conversations and parents need to be talking to children and young people because they do let the conversation slide and they don't want to bring it up, but it is so important that we're having these open honest conversations. It's the only way that we can normalize this and actually support young people. And listen, that parent who obviously also was lost a partner or at least lost the parent of their child. It might be the best call they'll receive all day. 100%. Yeah, okay. Just remind us once again, Beverly, how people can access these videos wherever they're listening to on the island. www.adairnadyfuneraldirectors.com. I'm very finally sorry. I don't know which one of you want to answer. Who's in the videos and how do they get involved? And Megan, can you answer that? Yeah, so it's all the children and young people in the Youth Advisory Group with Incruz. So we have that group, that project helps us deliver bereavement, understanding and support to young people. So it's all as young people, all the grief experts who have been there in the experience. They are asking the questions and answering the questions. And I think it's nice that it's their peer groups that will be speaking to the one because then it will feel a little bit more relevant to them. Okay, Megan McClarig, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. And it's amazing what you're doing in terms of using your own incredibly difficult experience now to help others, which I think is very commendable. So thank you so much for that and for your time today. Thank you, Greg. Okay. And also, Beverly Brown, thank you for joining us. We really do appreciate your time today as well. Thank you. All right, bye-bye, Beverly. Right, 08, 660, 25,000 WhatsApps and texts to that number. That was Wellness Wednesday. And just to remind you that those videos are available for you on James Brown, funeraldirectors.com forward slash cruise dash bereavement, but forget the forward slash stuff. If you go to that website, you'll see those videos and maybe someone, and I'm sure there is. I know there is people listening who have young ones in their lives and their young people have gone through a loss. And maybe those videos just might help them to process what they're going through. It is the 9 till noon show here on Highland Radio. Plenty to come on the show, including Ciaran. He'll be joining us in the not too distant future with a look at what's making all of the headlines in the world of business and previewing the Business Matters podcast. Just before the break, Greg, me and my boyfriend watched Schedule Telly, and it was lovely. We talked so much to fill the ad breaks. Now stop telling your lies. What you did is, as soon as the ad breaks started, both of you took your phones out. That's exactly what happened. And maybe you said, oh, look at this on Facebook. Look what this one's at. Maybe not. Greg, I keep seeing your posts about scams of hurts. Dogs, what's the purpose of them? Well, it's very, very simple. If you're on Facebook, particularly, you will see from a community buy and sell page, you will see a picture of a dog and the dog's probably injured or it's been discovered or it's been knocked down. And the person will say, I found this dog in hashtag. It could be an agree letter, Kenny Burton Port, wherever it might be. Please share it so we can get the dog back to its owner. And because we're very animal loving, we people instantly share it. They don't really read the text. They don't really look at the pictures. It's a, it's a hurt dog. They want to get back to the owner. So they share it. Okay. So it gets shared hundreds and hundreds of times. Now then what happens is the original poster will then edit that post. So they remove the pictures of the dog and they remove the text and they'll put in it something about some scam employment about we're hiring, make money from home, click this link or it could be an investment opportunity. And what's happened then is that this new post is on thousands of profiles right across Facebook. And because maybe I shared it or your friend shared it or your mother shared it, you might trust it and click in the links. And that's what they do. So they get you to share, share, share the missing dog post. It will be a missing persons as soon as the dog one stop getting traction. They'll start do the missing persons one or it'll be a picture of someone who they claim is broken into their house. Have you seen this person? Let's make them famous, something along those lines, right? And then they will edit those posts into scam posts. And that's how it works. So people in good faith share the post about the missing dog. And then those posts are edited into scam posts with links. And people might trust them because sure, my friend Jane shared it and I trust Jane. So I'm going to click these links and make a few quid from home or whatever it might be. And that is the scam. But there are telltale signs suck out for firstly and foremost the pictures are everywhere. People don't really post pictures like that. Who's put click who shared it on the profiles. The easiest thing to do normally it's someone who is not from here. It's a no friends, no followers account. There's a few things that you can do to check if it's fake or not 99% of them are fake. You're from trusted sources. You'll know where they're real. So hopefully that that explains that. I'm from Churchill and our pressure is really, really poor. It affects the washing machine. And it's really not good enough. Hi Greg, can you ask you listeners I got a letter stating a smart meter will be installed at my home. Can I prevent this happening? Is it true? Your bills double when installed? Thank you. They don't double, right? But people have concerns about them. And there's a lot of fear being put out by people who don't want them in. They don't want you to have one. So they'll try and scare you not to have one in. I have my concerns about them in that I don't see cheaper electricity by using them. And I don't see how you can easily monitor it all of the time in real time. So I'm a bit I still need one yet. I don't think if I get one in the sky is going to fall down. How do you prevent it? It should be on the letter because at the moment it is at the moment it's not obligatory. All right, let us take a break whilst we bring our next guest in. The county's number one talk show, The Nine Till Noon Show on Highland Radio. Are you looking for a way to invest for your long term goals but think you can't afford to? John F. Lowery financial services can help. 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While stocks last, prices fall until 7th of May. The screwfix.ie for teas and seeds delivery charges and restrictions. Brian Murray from Fair City here. I'm one of the 64,000 people living with dementia in Ireland. Alzheimer's T-Day takes place Thursday May the 4th. Register today at t-day.ie. Highland radio time checks with Expressway. Travel Route 32 from Lettacanity Dublin when you book online and travel for less. Expressway, bringing you the time, 24 minutes past 11. Now you are being asked to have your say on a new draft plan that aims to tackle the significant challenges around all aspects of waste in Ireland. The National Waste Management Plan for a circular economy is Ireland's framework for the prevention of and management of waste and will cover this year up until 2029. Kevin Swift is Regional Waste Coordinator for Connect Ulster and joins us on the program now. Thank you so much for taking the time. Kevin, good morning to you. Morning, Greg. Right, okay. So the consultation is underway now. So just in your words, what are we being asked to have our say on then? Well, this is the first National Waste Management Plan for a circular economy produced by the local authority sector. And we're very pleased to be launching the public consultation phase of it tomorrow nationally. And you've been asked to have your say on the content of the plan and the direction that we're going in terms of waste management nationally across the country and in each local authority area. So that's what we're asking views about. We're asking the public to make submissions to us on the draft National Waste Management Plan. And there's three ways you can do that. You can go on to our national platform, which is mywaste.ie to make a submission. You can email us on submissions at nationalwastemanagementplan.ie or you can adopt the old method of simply posting us a letter at any of the lead authorities. So we look forward to a lot of engagement with the public on our new draft plan. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'd love to be doing more, but you know, I can't get parts for a washing machine. I can't get parts for a dishwasher. They're all disposable now at this point. I go to the supermarket just to get the essentials and much of it is wrapped in absolutely pointless packaging. Like everyone produces two tons of waste annually, but really, I'm kind of just passing on an awful lot of waste from others that I don't want to be producing at all. Yeah, well, look, there's things you can do. We've done a lot of good work over the last two decades across the local authority sector and the public have been key to that. So what the plan wants to do is build on the good work that we've done already, build on the advances that we've made. But we want to nudge people in the direction of being more circular, reusing more materials, not wasting as much. And we want to put a lid on the amount of waste that we produce as individuals nationally. So as you quite rightly point out, you want to do the right thing. So the plan is about putting in place a lot of actions to enable you to do the right thing. So whether it's reuse, whether it's repair, whether it's recycling the old three hours that we keep coming back to, you can do the right thing. As long as you're participating, as long as you're participating in an authorized service, you can do the right thing. And that's what we're encouraging people to do. Yeah, but do you take my point that the way things are produced and manufactured now, they are disposable items, TVs, washing machines, dishwashers, fridges, all the, you know, I mean, there are great people out there that will repair them, but they'll tell you they struggle to get parts for them. Do you not believe that that and as I say, needless plastics and carboards, like if you get something delivered from Amazon, it could be a ball, but it's wrapped in three layers of cardboard, you know, 20 times the size of the actual bulb itself. Do you know, like, do you not think that industry needs to be compelled to help us in what we're trying to achieve here rather than lumping the blame on the poor old consumer that's struggling to do the right thing at times? Yeah, and there are significant moves been made in that direction from a regulatory point of view. So producers of packaging are being forced through the regulatory mechanisms to ensure that the packaging that they put onto the market is recyclable. So when you get that packaging, and I accept that everything is a wall of packaging these days, when you get that packaging, the key thing for you as a consumer is to ensure that you do the right thing with it. So segregate it, put it into your recycling bin, make sure that it doesn't become contaminated in the recycling bin, and then that packaging has the best chance of being reconstituted as new packaging or reuse. What do we do with? Yes, we have a challenge. Yeah, what do we do with our, in this country with our plastics and our cardboard and our cans that we recycle? Is it, is it, is it recycled within Ireland, all of it? Yeah, so we're good at certain things. We're certainly good at recycling glass. That's a big success story in Ireland. So 90% of the glass that we collect is recycled in Ireland. We're not as good at other things because we're... We export that, don't we? We used to export it to China in slow boats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There has been a little bit of pushback from China in recent years. They're not prepared to take everything we throw at them. But do you see, do you see where, yeah, and listen, I'm all for recycling and everything. Don't get me wrong, and I want us to do our bit, right? But can you see how it might seem a bit strange that I'm doing my bit and it ends up in my local refuse, then it goes to a processor, then it heads on to a barge and then it's chugged in a diesel boat to the other side of the world. It kind of disincentivises me. It doesn't, but it could. It should. It's a bit strange. Yeah, look, there's significant change happening in that area as well. And a lot of the materials that we send for recycling go to our nearest neighbour in the UK or go on land to mainland Europe, and they are recycled or repurposed within the continent. So that's good news. And we're no longer sending stuff around the world. There are some materials that do end up going down. We send clothes into land dumps in Africa. Thank you. We send clothes into land dumps in Africa. Well, certainly textiles are a huge challenge. And what we've come to know as fast fashion is a huge challenge. So, you know, the amount of material that we consume, the amount of material that we buy, we're asked people and people to think about when they buy something, does it have a potentially long life with that person? We're asked people to think about when they've been something, is it truly waste or can it be reused? We're asking people to think about reuse and repair. Okay, so textiles is a good example. So, you know, when a textile comes to the end of life for you, and you're a fairly dapper guy, maybe you should bring it along to the charity shop and see if they can find a new life. It's so, I take your point, but it's often so threadbare. I'm not sure they would accept it, but I take your point fully. So, I mean, obviously, you don't want to influence the outcome of a public consultation. But just to give us an idea, and maybe it's clearer once you go on to mywaste.ie or email submissions at nationalwasteplan.ie. So what kind of suggestions or observations, I suppose, are you looking for from the public, or what are some of the typical ones that you expect to be coming in maybe? As I say, I know you don't want to influence it, but just to give us a sense of how we can engage. So we've provided on the site a little summary of the plan to give people a sense of the direction of where the plan is going. So really what we're asking people to tell us is, you know, how can this plan make it easier for you to do the right thing? How can this plan make it easier for you to participate in authorized collection services? How can this plan make it easier for you to reuse materials? How can this plan make it easier for you to be more circular in your activities? So give us your ideas. Let's see if we can incorporate them into our plan in the final version of our plan. And that's the objective of this exercise. And finally, just for the record, I do recycle, I do bring clothes to charity shops and whatever you're okay. So I'm not a denier in a way shape or form. I just sometimes would like to see the those that are asking these questions of us, not you, but to sort of at least fix some of the anomalies or the contradictions and make it easy for us to do the right thing, because it's difficult enough to get those that are motivated to do that, but you don't want to discourage them when they are, if that makes sense. So that's my yeah, go ahead. Knowledge, Greg, that that the public have made great advances and the public have come with us on this journey in participating in authorized services and in doing the right thing in relation to recycling and some reuse. What we need to do is continue the journey under this plan and just enable people in the best possible way to do the right thing. And in Donegal, there are many challenges down here in Mayo where I'm speaking from, there are many challenges. You know, when we speak to Donegal, there are challenges on the islands, there are challenges in rural areas. So we got to enable people to do the right thing. And that's what this plan really sets out to do. All right, been really nice chatting to you, Kevin. Thanks very much for your time and have a lovely what days at Wednesday. Take care. All right, bye bye. Kevin Swift, their regional waste coordinator with Inconnacht Ulster, if you want to get involved in that, go into, as they say, I'm not trying to pick holes in it, but we export our recycled stuff on diesel boats and planes, do you know what I mean? But anyway, we still have to be doing, that's if it's actually separated from the regular waste, but I suppose we do have to do the right thing. I mean, when you see what we're doing with landfill and what constantly goes on in terms of old shut down landfill sites that lorries have to go down and take off the dirty water they produce and drive it to another part of Donegal and dump it. That's happening from the south to the north of the county, old former landfills. The runoff of toxic water is transported in a truck away from it. Anyway, all right, just to remind you of those numbers, I'll wait 60, 25,000. Of course it says, have a wee bee in my bullet about fast fashion. It's the age of tail of a poor man, can't afford work boots that will last him all year. Yeah, I know that, that old tail indeed. But yeah, it's fast fashion. Is that cheap clothes? Oh, it's cheap. I mean, if you buy t-shirts for three quid, four quid, are you going to look? I mean, are you going to just change them as soon as they become a little bit threadbare? I don't know. Any comments on that, bring them into us. 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It was a mile though. That extra couple of degrees. You can notice that we raise the temperature. Right and we rise in the grass. Hopefully it stays high. The grass death is rising. Unfortunately we're going to see. A lot of growth there is last week or two. We are going to see wee bit of rain but anyway look it's early mate. Right, let's get into some news and some plans for Chrysler there. Yeah, Donegal County Council, the Chrysler Working Group and the Chrysler Community Association supported by Arup are launching a public consultation process to prepare a values plan for the Chrysler community. So the process to prepare a values plan will out in opportunities for project development, village renewal, regeneration and healing in the aftermath of the tragedy in October of last year. And this has been there up by the multi-task plan away and international consultant to service. So Arup have been operating in Ireland since 1946 and they're described as a global sustainable development consultancy using imagination, technology and rigor to shape a better world. And I'm sure they will and I hope they do but it's very important that they speak to those most directly affected by that in plotting that way forward. Yes. Chambers is hosting an into the west event. This is Lederkinny Chambers. Yeah Lederkinny Chamber. The co-lab in Lederkinny is the venue for the Lederkinny Chamber of Commerce into the west event which takes place on Tuesday May the 16th at 8 30 a.m. The council edit will provide chamber members with an opportunity to meet and talk directly to Donegal County Council's Chief Executive Officer John McLaughlin and Director of Services, Planning and Community Development Liam Ward. John McLaughlin will speak about the plans for growth in Donegal and how it will impact over the next five to 20 years while Liam Ward will discuss matters specific to the Lederkinny and just to note that event is open to chamber members only Greg. All right I'm sure you can sign up as a chamber member at any stage. Good opportunity to attend that and I think it'd be an interesting conversation actually to hear from the CEO what the plans are for this county though we know them but you know what I mean. Right the Heritage Council has been dishing out some funding. Yeah the council has awarded 207,000 euro in funding for 13 heritage initiatives in Donegal under its community heritage grant scheme. The aim of this annual grant scheme is to support projects that improve access and inclusion to heritage sites and that apply good heritage practice to the management of places, collections, objects and buildings. Quite a criteria there so a total of 137 county-wide initiatives will be funded this year and Donegal secured 13 percent of that funding for first 13 projects. All right okay um if you want to get into the bar trade yeah there's opportunities for you especially if you like Churchill. Yeah the owners of the well-known Callans Bar and Churchill are looking to rent out the bar off licence shop and living quarters. Callans was renovated in 1981 and this was followed by the addition of a purpose-built extension for events so for more information about what's involved Greg email callansbar at gmail.com. Would you if you could? There's a time in the past yes not now not the way the whole thing's changed. Hopefully they'll get somebody out there and they'll open a bar in southern Portugal or something. Yeah if we could warm up karaoke every night and all that crack. All right um food prices coming down slightly sorry let me say and I've felt and said food prices still continue to rise but they're rising at a lower rate. Yeah that was exactly my own thoughts Greg the rate of food inflation has dropped slightly for the first time in two years and that is according to latest figures from consultants can't there. For the 12th week period to April 16th the rate of inflation dropped from 16.8 percent to 16.6 percent so even when you're saying 16 percent there's inflation like that's exactly what you're referring to you know the figures also also show continued growth of consumers choosing own brand labels which rose by 15.6 percent compared to an 8 percent increase and branded labels like there's something going on here firstly unput costs have come down on an awful lot of stuff but the high prices are driving people to own brand labels and those same shops make more profit from the own brand labels yeah which is you know I mean there's something it's it's crazy what's going on and also to two-thirds of that 16.8 percent inflation it's normally about a third but currently two-thirds of that inflation is down to profits which is so in other words there's at least a third in there that's been gouged from us yeah and I've especially when people are so bloody loyal it really pees me off. Yeah I was talking to this question at the weekend about the price of milk once one of the chains and one of the stores began to drop everywhere everywhere else falls suit I think there was five sets in terms of leader of milk and no butter is the latest so there's a seriously long delay and who's picking up the bill for that yeah well ultimately it's going to be the dairy farmer if he it's going back down the chain they're lost leaders they're saying they would drop the price of milks shaft the farmer and we'll make the money on other products so while good use for the consumer as you say bad use for the dairy farmer right okay any insight into that as well by the way 08 660 25 000 I'll take a quick break actually and that'll clear the decks come back after this as we'll talk about what's coming up on this week's pod Volta Ireland punk IE fantastic value at homeland letter Kenny garden centered this Saturday 6th of May with a garden super Saturday summer flowering bulbs and all roses 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consulting who delivered the keynote address and IDP team lead and a member of the is ec committee Paul McGonigal who acted as mc for the launch and this clip paul gives an overview of the plan well i suppose that the plan that's launched earlier really is to see how initial as a region can avail can firstly take on the challenges that climate change present and that's really a broader theme in so far as it's it's more relative to you know the need for it kieran as opposed to the opportunity but the second factor certainly is the opportunity and there's going to be significant opportunities in this sector moving forward and we heard that this evening in Claire Erwin's excellent presentation even on a local level what that can mean from the construction sector from the financial sector for those secondary industry secondary economic side of things as well it's just phenomenal the potential so really overall what the strategic plan or roadmap does is outline how we are going to place ourselves we're already already very well positioned because of the work that's going on over the last number of years to avail of those opportunities and to meet those challenges head on and that's really what the roadmap outlines during my conversation with andrew wargreg he talked about the importance of the buying and support from the communities and then i showed funny thing tonight it's over now maybe 20 25 minutes and you can still hear the buzz people haven't tea and talking and meeting and making the connections because it's all about connections and you know in any energy story as well you know we have to have support and buy in from the from the community and as i say again you know there are two different things they do one is the production of energy and how that can be done and how the community can benefit from it and the other is the whole retrofitting area the whole you know just transition in relation to to move into a cleaner greener economy and then her keynote address Claire Erwin spoke of her passion for sustainability and here sustainability and the protection of our environment is something that has always been very close to my heart about 20 years ago i studied in University of Ulster Jordanstone and a good proportion of the studies was focused around climate change action and sustainability and i suppose that's probably where my interest and passion first began during later years then i published a thesis on how to sustainably construct one farms in rural Ireland and published papers and and just as time evolved being involved in construction projects my primary focus was always you know to try and reduce the the impact that the construction has on you know the ecological footprint and the emissions of the balden that we construct during the whole life cycle of the baldens all right so it was an interesting event by the sands of it did it move you uh kieran yeah look that's an area that i wouldn't have been overly familiar with but i did learn a lot and he's shown or obviously leading the way countywide and probably in the northwest as well um one line that paul mcgonigal uh said this roughly he described it as a big opportunity uh for and he's shown to change the self economically culturally and socially um big emphasis on community a big emphasis on the importance of buying a couple of statistics that that that that was taken by as well clear everyone 61 percent of the houses and then he's shown were built before 2001 10 percent of the houses on his own were built at the earlier part of the last century and 80 percent of the current national stock that sorry 80 percent of the national stock that will be in place in 2050 has already been built so and again that's a lot of you know it's an opportunity for i suppose any show and they talked about the white van sending them about uh a skilled work people uh heading up the road to dobbin come down and forth again getting those people getting them back getting them retrained getting them up skilled and get them as opposed to i suppose look after on his own and and take it along with the times and obviously in terms of the construction industry the the construction industry is responsible for 37 percent of the uh caribbean emissions as well in Ireland which is a big a big percentage so very much learning thing collaboration is the key um obviously fishing and agriculture are big sectors and as well and they will have to play their part along with everybody yeah and i get it and listen it's good to hear the positives being sold because that might increase buying but sometimes you think it's uh just generally speaking it's like you know two steps forward two steps back or three steps back and the perfect example of that is in that the big conversation happening today uh you know obviously electric vehicles hybrid vehicles plug-in hybrid vehicles their sales continue to grow but any carbon reduction is being offset by an increase in sales of suv and they're coming after your suv now kieran yeah um so my point is is that you know even though what is it like 20 odd 28 or something like that percent of new cars are electric or some version of electric uh any savings to the environment are being offset by people buying more suv and now they're as i said they're coming for them now don't you know that's what's next yeah one more thing that that paul um i'm going to look was the pace of transition is fast and getting faster so you know it's a relatively uh new organization but the pace is as much faster uh than i think they anticipated but they're very much well organized and in terms of uh funding availability they are getting the reduction in a row and they are well they will be in position to sort of move at the times and get that financial support when it's needed the just in terms of rent retrofitting though the fundamental problem we have is that a uh industry experts believe that the retrofitting is not up to a standard that actually will make any material difference okay so we need to actually be retrofitting houses up to a higher standard but b even though this country is incredibly rich the majority of us aren't rich and we simply can't afford most of us can't afford the costs to us to retrofit you know even with the grants and everything you still have to find you know 10 20 grand and people simply simply do not have that money at this time yeah i suppose from the affordable aspect you know one would hope that maybe the government will look at that again and make it feasible for people to go over it that's what comes down to yeah yeah but also the standards have to be looked at to ensure that we're uh we're retrofitting houses up to a beneficial standard um okay i call it says i was delighted to see the milk went down six cent good news so far right i'm not finished the text when doing my shopping i then see that the individual scones went up by six cent each it's all swings and roundabouts so the milks down and the scones are up sounds typical doesn't it all right kieran listen thank you very much indeed just remind us now uh the full interviews with paul andrew and claire they're available right now to download as part of that podcast a good long chat with kieran at heilandradio.com you can listen stream it online or download it to your device it's up to you and it's broadcast on air as well kieran isn't it yes after the six o'clock news on Sunday and if anyone wants to get in touch with you how did they do so yeah just drop me an email please greg businessmatters at heilandradio.com that's businessmatters at heilandradio.com kieran as always thank you very much indeed enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you when next week correct bye business matters in association with the atu dunningall faculty of business if you're a senior manager in the private sector looking to reinforce your leadership skills atu are offering a level nine executive mbs in leadership and innovation call 9186206 or email donal.hanigan at atu.ie okay right i call it says if you live in an apartment block and smart meters are being rolled out what happens if a tenant doesn't want one what happens there uh i um it depends who owns do you own the apartment within the apartment block i don't know the make up of that scenario unfortunately so i couldn't comment on it but someone out there is bound to know and they'll be able to have their say um terms of reference this caller believes are used by the government to avoid talking about elephants in the room we saw this during the expert panel report into mica we also saw narrow terms of reference when the working group tried to work with the government on dealing with the mica issue we saw it again when the scsi set up rates and we were given a narrow reference of 2007 regulations which did not include foundations clearly this is not a democratic process and is used constantly by government to manipulate the public uh and the issues and i get where you're coming from i really do uh caller says for god's sake every turbine in dunningall is on a peep bog it's ecocide to put industrial wind turbines on peep bogs yeah it's counterproductive isn't it a caller says i've never heard so much nonsense talking all my life it's like banning the cutting of peat here and then buying it from abroad or buy is that in relation to how we deal with our waste yeah indeed we um we talk the talk but when you look at it it's a very different walk that we're walking um on the smart meters a caller says you can opt out of having a smart meter installed contact your supplier giving your mprn number an account number and tell them you wish to opt out those details the mprn number and account number are on your bill by the way they're on both your um if you get an emailed bill they're there but they're also be on your physical uh bill my partner changed to prepay power last year now esb is torturing him for a reading to sort the bill out for the esb okay um i would have thought that if you're on prepay power there is no readings again i used to have prepaid power and i don't recall i for often to supply readings i didn't even think the meter was being read even being completely honest with you a caller says i put up a wind turbine it is obligatory to have a smart meter with half hourly readings automatically this put us on commercial electricity rates a farmhouse as well power and i bills went crazy and they just said no it's the rules tough it cost a fortune increased from 300 a month to 1300 a month followed by last year's increases took us to 2600 but i've now got a new electricity supplier who sorted it out and me bills dropped back to original levels six to seven hundred euro a month smart meters are grand some suppliers are not and and we're behind the curve here in arland even compared to britain and uh in britain you still can't really fully maximize the benefits of smart meters so at what point might you uh be able to do so i don't know a caller says it's like the hilly rays said about boredom only using wood chips from brazil to lower ireland's carbon emissions we need a global effort yeah indeed that was crazy seeing stuck piles uh hi greg as regards to the quiz show you talked of claire is uh too slow in asking questions not a patch on the chase or who wants to be a millionaire both great shows with very good presenters and in my opinion claire won't be any good on the late late show she she should stay with current affairs so that's constructive criticism it's not having a go at her this caller just believes that she might be better suited to that formal format i've kind of gone off the chase i'm still watching all the time don't watch it anymore watching reruns of tipping point at the moment crazy what drags you in a caller says if anyone owes money to revenue it should be deducted from the rent relief scheme this money's not pierced to heart ease and he shouldn't be proposing to flash it around like lord bountiful that's off the back of a story that's running on the news at the moment a caller says i'm struggling to get rest bite we're trying with referrals and not making much progress anyone have any ideas now um do you know what you might do and i know it's your private information if you call us back and talk to me a little bit um off air obviously to neve or don't worry about the type of respite that you're looking for or where you're trying it might help me to target the question a bit more for people to help so i think that could be respite in a number of areas so if you don't mind and if you're still listening give us a call back and let us know a little bit more detail and then i can best hope then that listeners might be able to help i hope you get sorted i'd like to think i'm tech savvy and alert with scams and the dog sharing one fooled me indeed but because it plays to your heartstrings you see it's not a weakness of yours they know what they're doing but they only because it was pointed out in the comments it's important for people to continue to point out the scams yes indeed but you could be at it all day uh oh my oh my that girl Megan she go a long way uh great speaker sounds like she's a great counselor uh make she'd make a great counselor maybe she is she is a great counselor sorry and i should have made that clear i think i did uh in introducing her that's what she does she um helps young people to deal with their losses okay that's where we have to leave it on the show today thanks to uh Neve for working on the program and also Donna Marie Daherty who researched and produced we're back with you tomorrow morning at nine John Breslin is next do you know Newmo? 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